Andrew Collins | Karahan Tepe, Entering Sky World, & Plasma Being Communication Rituals

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04:15 I'm Greg Carlwood, and while the modern world is full of individual people with bizarre stories of entity encounters crop circles balls of light and strange journeys to hidden realms. Our culture is completely devoid of any acknowledgement let alone encouragement or understanding of these engagements But what if long ago civilizations existed where this was not the case, and in fact entire stone megaliths and monuments were built for facilitating this non-human entity communication with animalistic spirit beings and conscious plasma? A time where shamanic rituals were popularized and leaned into long before the multitude of distractions and entertainment options of today. A legacy perhaps carried on through secret societies despite every attempt to destroy it by the consolidated power structure of the time!

05:10 Well these are just some of the major themes found in the work of today's guest Andrew Collins who has been writing about the crossroads of history and science for over 40 years with books like From The Ashes Of Angels, The Forbidden Legacy Of A Fallen Race. Gods Of Eden Egypt's Lost Legacy In The Genesis Of Civilization The Cygnus Mystery, unlocking the ancient secrets of life's origins in the cosmos. Light Quests, your guide to seeing and interacting with UFOs, mystery lights and plasma intelligences. The Cygnus Key, the Denisovan legacy, Gobekli Tepe and the birth of Egypt. Gobekli Tepe, Genesis of the Gods, the Temple of Watchers and Discovery of Eden

05:52 And the two co-authored books with doctor gregory little that we've covered previously dennis ovin origins human hybrids go back to tepee in the genesis of giants and ancient america. An origin of the gods keys some caves skinwalkers and contact with transdimensional intelligences, His latest book, Karahentepe, Civilization of the Anunnaki and the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden puts the Karahentepe site in the larger context of shamanic rituals and higher intelligence he's been talking about for years. And let it also be known that among Andrews greatest achievements in the field of ancient civilizations was the discovery of a huge cave complex beneath the shadow of The Great Pyramid of Egypt now known as Collins Cave

06:35 A true legend, and I'm lucky to have him here. The plasma intelligence hypothesizer ancient civilization sleuth and teacher of the Tepe's Andrew Collins. I can hardly believe it! Welcome to THC Hello great thank you extraordinary introduction hopefully i'll live up to that and what we talk about today oh i know you well and im just super excited about this it's only been a year or two since i started understand the plasma context when it comes to communications with some sort of hyper dimensional beans in the things usually called. Aliens are spirits even gods

07:11 And then i learned that you've been highlighting this since at least your twenty twelve book light quest if not before but the start with the latest book. This does come up and care and tap a because your assessment of the site is that it was a ritual space designed for communication with just such a being right, yeah absolutely get what is car had to pay It is arguably the most enigmatic of the so-called Taz Tepele ritual sites in southeastern Turkey, but not the most well known. The most well known is of course Göbekli Tepe which we've known about since the beginning of this current century and I've been on since that time and the reason why I got onto it

07:57 was because in the mid 1990s I wrote a book which you've already mentioned called From The Ashes of Angels, which talked about the myths and legends of the various different mythical beings of the Near East and Middle East that were said to have given humanity the rudiments of civilization. In Hebrew myth they are known as the Watchers and the Nephilim. In Mesopotamian myth, they're known as the Anunnaki. In Iranian myth, they're known as the Immortals. In Armenian myth, they're known as the Giants and all of them are said to have looked quite different to the mortal beings that they interact with but they're very clearly in my opinion a memory

08:45 Flesh and blood human beings that existed on this earth and probably were responsible for kick starting what we know as the neolithic revolution at the end of the last ice age. This occurred in what is today south eastern and eastern turkey, And this created this first post-ISH civilization that we know today under the term Tash Tepele. This is a term people are going to have to get familiar with because it's what the people in Turkey want us to call it, and Tash basically means stone really and this refers to the fact that this culture were the first building stone

09:30 and the Tepele relates to the tepes, which are these occupational mounds. These layer cakes of human activity have all been built either within or on top of each different generation building something new either to the side or on top and gradually creating this huge mound that you often see in the landscape of southeastern Turkey I mean, not only is places like Quebec-Les-Tapes obviously by virtue of its name one of these occupational mounds but there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have actually not been fully investigated. If you go to that area you'll see them all over the place. Some of them date back 12 000 years but some of them only go back to the Iron Age maybe up to 3 000 years but it's a familiar site so this is the term that's now used Tash Tepela

10:30 This revolves around Gobekli Tepe, around Karahan Tepe. What you have at these sites are these extraordinary stone enclosures with T-shaped pillars and these T-shaped pillars are like spokes of a wheel around what is generally two much larger monolithic T-shaped pillars at the center of these enclosures and the T-shaped pillars themselves are covered in beautiful carved imagery Mostly animals and was presumably of the natural world in which these people lived but also there is human representations as well plus human heads. There are certain animals that crop up again and again like the ball the vulture the leopard or panther

11:18 the bull, which very clearly must have had a special place within this community. Probably to do with animistic and shamanistic beliefs and there are also beliefs and practices that can be deduced from a number of the carved pillars particularly one called Pillar 43 that we find in Gobekli Tepe which is essentially an information board really Telling the showman how to enter into the sky world and what exactly they'll find when they get there so this is the background of it but i had to buy me somewhere that i've been going to since two thousand four so over twenty years now. I'm glad i first got their all that you could see on the ground was just a few angled

12:14 pieces of what they call porthole stones, which looked like they might have come out of a medieval building but they dated back at least 10 000 years. There were stone tools all over the place thousands of them showing that there was an awful lot of human activity there in the past but in addition to that there were the heads of these T-shaped pillars just sticking up out of the ground most of them quite warm because they'd been exposed above the surface of the earth you know for probably ten thousand years. And it was quite obvious that somewhere here was another Göbekli Tepe. In 2019, excavations began there under the leadership of Dr Nesmi Karel of the University of Istanbul and from that point onwards through to today they've uncovered what I would describe as virtually a lost city of the Ananarki. Why the Ananarki we can come on too but

13:13 I mean it's just extraordinary and it's quite clear that what was happening at Karahanthapai is far deeper, far rougher, far more shamanic than what was happening at Gobekli Tepe. To me Gokbekli Tepe is almost like a sort of Catholic cathedral you know of lots of different chapels churches and rooms and whatever, where is what was going on car had to pay was much darker. Much more no stick yeah these people were trying to get to the root of everything try to understand quite literally who we were where we come from and what's out there basically

13:53 What is a great summary and on the subject of how to enter the sky world that you mentioned i wanted to read this section even though it's long i'm gonna butcher the names, but this section is called entering starry portals. In their seminar work on the development of beliefs and practices relating to world ages cosmic axis in the concept of processional time title hamlet mill italian american philosopher historian of science georgio de san til and german anthropologist heard that the chan had much to say about such a line stride on star, lower and mythological traditions from such diverse places as north and south america polynesia egypt.

14:39 and mesopotamia they gathered together compelling evidence to suggest that there once existed. A collective understanding regarding the souls journey into the afterlife via the milky way this day proposed was accessed via two sky gates corresponding to where are the elliptic, the sun's annual path through the zodiac constellations crossed this story stream making me out of rim of our own milky way galaxy One of the sky gates was located in the vicinity of the scorpion sagittarius and fucus with the other on the opposite side of the sky close to the constellations of jim and i torres and orion. Add a cluster seven stars known as the pleiades,

15:22 Both sky gates became accessible to the land of the living when they lined up with the local horizon at that time in the summer and winter solstice. And then you go on to talk about the alignments of caravan type a fitting into this model quite nicely but it's that last part i hope you can elaborate on both sky gates became accessible to the land of the living when they lined up with all local horizon at the time of the summer and winter solstice I mean what is that really mean because that is quite bizarre it seems like a natural cosmic time keeping system that opens portals to the sky world that is just completely lost today, are you when we talk in terms of alignment ancient sites you know we think of places like stonehenge. That's a line to the summer solstice sunrise

16:13 At the same time, the winter solstice sun set. We think of Newgrange, the huge passage grave in the Boyne Valley of Ireland which was built about 3000 BC at the same time as Stonehenge. That's aligned to the winter solstice sunrise and if you're inside its chamber at this time, the sun will come along this long thin corridor and hit these carvings at the back of the chamber are an incredible experience and would have had massive symbolic value for these people. We also think of the moon, there are sites that aligned to the maximum points in the 18.61 year cycle of the moon. And we also think of stars you know, we know that Orion was used prominently

17:04 in the orientation of ancient sites worldwide most obviously at gays although i have my own views on that. The key is that these are not done simply for the sake of it, i mean firstly these elements are done to synchronize you know the day-to-day living or the yearly growth cycle of people on earth to synchronize their life with the celestial bodies in other words that there are part of the sky themself a case of as above so below you know that famous old axiom but it's more than that because these people believed that. There were three different worlds when i say these people missus universal belief is found amongst native american peoples amongst siberian mongolians shamans its in eastern europe

17:55 And it would seem to have been a place is like a backlit by car and type. This is the concept that there are three different worlds there is our world the middle of there is a lower world which we often refer to as the underworld but there's also the sky well told the upper world, And all of these are linked via some kind of means, whether it be a tree. Like in Norse tradition you have the Yggdrasil Tree, the great ash tree that links to three worlds. It could be something like a sky pole, a symbolic pole that would be erected that shamans would literally climb to actually reach the top and believe they were entering into the Sky World

18:39 And the lower world was accessed via things like pools of water or springs, or holes in the ground that would open up when trees were knocked down. During thunderstorms and hurricanes stuff like that so there were these three different worlds but how did you get to the sky world in the way that you got to the sky world was why something we don't even think about very much today, that's the milky way no when we look outside here i mean i live in a urban environment. You know i can see stars i can see ryan i can say ursa major I can see a few other bright stars and not see the planets at night.

19:18 But what I cannot say is the Milky Way and this is the edge of our own Milky Way galaxy. You know if you can imagine that we live in a galaxy that looks like a dinner plate, and if we're sort of somewhere towards the center of that dinner plate, well not exactly at the center actually 26000 light years away from the center but if you can imagine looking out to the edges of that play That's what the Milky Way is. It's the thick clusters of stars and galaxies that are on the very edge of that galaxy, and to us it looks like a band or ring that encircles the Earth. Or certainly that's how it looked in the past! There's no way that the ancients would have ignored this. The Sun crosses it two times per year

20:09 as you mentioned, in the time of Sagittarius and Scorpius on one side of the sky. And then around six months later in the area of Taurus-Gemini which brings in the constellations of Orion but also the Pleiades star cluster so they're on opposite sides to the sky and what happened was that when the Milky Way synchronized at this time when the Sun crossed it obviously the sunrises or sunsets of these solstices, that was the time that you could quite literally either walk or make some leap of faith onto the Milky Way. That would then allow you passage along the Milky Way towards some central point and that central point was almost always the same and it was where the Milky Way actually splits into two separate streams

21:07 and that's in the vicinity of a constellation that we know today as the Northern Cross, or Cygnus. The stars come together to form a celestial bird. It's a bird that is almost always associated with two things – the human soul. As it takes flight as a bird in the Middle East it was a vulture, in America it was an eagle The turkey vulture in europe and siberia it was the swan or the goose any other parts of the world exotic birds like the bird paradise for instance in the pacific.

21:46 but they all represented the human soul. But the other aspect to do with Cygnus was that it was a bird of creation, it seemed that creation began in that area of the sky. Why? Well, the answer comes from the fact that these stars move against this the background of the Earth itself over a cycle which that book that you mentioned, Hamlet's Mill makes blatantly clear was something that was important to the ancients and there are lot of their lore and legends to do with the sky built around the movement of the stars. The starry background against the position of the sun it's a so-called processional cycle 26000 years it takes

22:31 In the past, the pulsar which is today Polaris in the constellation of Ursa Minor was in other constellations. It moves around in a circle and around 17000 years ago it precisely aligned not just with Cygnus but also with the Milky Way by virtue of that, because obviously Cygnus is on the Milky Way. So each night as you'd have gone outside, you would have seen the Milky Way turning like some celestial propeller around the center point of the sky and this must've been something that was incredible to behold

23:11 It doesn't happen today at all. In other words, we can't get any idea of this." So that center point of that cosmic propeller if you like, the turning point of the heavens was seen as a place of entry into the sky world but you couldn't just go there. You had to do it via the milky way and there were two places in the sky that you could do that. The area of Sagittarius, Scorpius and the area of Gemini and Taurus on the other side of the sky these are the leap off points and different cultures favored one or the other what we have at Tepe for instance

23:49 is evidence that they favored the direction of Sagittarius and Scorpius. This is seen in Pillar 43 at Quebec-Les-Tapes, where you've got this huge scorpion and you've got this guy sitting on the back of a vulture being led into the sky world where there's another big vulture waiting for him but Corahantopei, you can see this within alignments I mean, almost immediately that i saw an aerial view of the excavations at Coraghan back at the end of 2021. I noticed that one of the enclosures are three interconnected enclosures that are all rock cut out of the actual bedrock actually aligns towards sunset at the time of the summer solstice now that's amazing in itself and possibly would have been arguably one of the oldest alignments towards the sun anywhere in the world

24:46 But if you remained in that position, looking in the same direction that the sun has just set two hours later when it gets dark you would have beheld a wonderful sight. That would have been the Milky Way rising vertically up into the sky with the two streams right in front of you which is what's known as the Cygnus or Dark Rift and the stars of Scorpius would've just set those of Sagittarius would've been right in view and you would have been able to make that leap of faith to the Milky Way, climb the Cygnus Rift into the stars of Cygnus and enter into the sky world. So this is obviously planned. This isn't something that's coincidence. It forms part of what was quite clearly some kind of sky religion that these people adhered to as much as 10-12 thousand years ago

25:43 So this is something that we eventually will find all over the world with monuments that are built after this time, but you're dealing with a universal idea of entering the sky world that's in every continent, I would say. Clearly if you go south of the equator things start changing because everybody is focusing on the southern stars and obviously the southern celestial pole but in the northern hemisphere this was the basic cosmological principle that all these ancient cultures would have adhered to

26:19 Yeah wow what is summary it sounds way more powerful than putting the stars up on a digital screen in a planetarium like we do today and get impressed by that. But man yes birds are big symbols as our snakes and when you talk about the being, that it seems like they might have been in communication with at caravan tap a u use the term snake genius several times i love that term And snakes are also like so core to symbolism and shamanic and religious traditions from the garden of eden in the iowa school ritual even things like the kundalini experience. This is a major theme when we bring in e so terry energies and you talk about how caravan tap there's images in the book the whole site the,

27:10 Try and tell her the pillar shrine is kind of looks like a snake head when you get that bird's eye view and then there's. A little cazen that looks like a snake body it's pretty impressive but there's also a giant stone human head in the pillar shrine, i just wanted to quote the book here right the giant stone had emerging from the west wall of karen tapas pillars trying Is i suspect a physical representation of the milky way serpents active spirit if this is correct then the stone head what presumably have been a focal point for anyone wishing to communicate with this perceived intelligence in the form of either a snake genius or. Have an anthropomorphic being with serpentine qualities direct historical comparison, what might have been happening at caravan tap it is i believe the

28:03 Rack your communications recorded as having taken place in pre classical and classical times at delphi and greece. Very interesting obviously that's an example everyone knows there is a good analogy there that there is a strong history of, having a ritual space where you can with an intelligence that's not human reliably assuming leave the same one over and over again but Talk to us about this i mean i just laid a lot out there is summarized the huge chunk of the book but. This snake genius well suppose you have to look at car and say what was going on here, no thousand by eleven thousand years ago and first clear indication is that their snacks everywhere

28:53 There are snakes there are in size like this. Calves rats going into the ground that serpentine in nature, there is a huge stone head you talked about which is like something else of juice basically coming out of the wall of the palace right i mean you know like a snake body with a human had a giant human at three times the size of normal human head And you have to say to sell what are these people trying to do here what are they trying to achieve well. If you look at the Pillar Shrine itself, as you pointed out it's actually the shape of the head of an actual snake. And the only way that you would have been able to get into that Pillar Shrine in the past because we think it probably had a roof is through this tiny little porthole right at the front of the mouth if you like so the shaman would have come from the big elliptical enclosure that you find there

29:51 and literally crawled their way through this little hole, going inside the pillar shrine. And there you have these ten standing pillars that have been cut out of the bedrock itself which is an incredible feat! I mean to even attempt this... There is an eleventh pillar as well that looks like a raised serpent that comes out of the ground it almost looks like the full tongue of the actual snake itself So you're inside the head of a snake now. Why would you do this? Why would you put yourself in the head of a snake, I mean under any normal circumstances this is madness and would only lead to bad things but i think what they were trying to do was exactly this... They were trying to be eaten by this snake on a symbolic level or certainly on a shamanic or astral level and what i mean by this is that

30:49 If you're being consumed by this snake and quite literally passing into its body, into its DNA if you like, then that brings you at one with it. Kind of snake genius we talking about here and by the way that the term snake genius essentially means a spirit in the form of a snake in other words, a snake that can quite literally talk to you. Most obviously with the human head so they can actually talking enough sort of a human language because I'm sure in the past people thought that snakes just hissed if they had a human head then they could talk to us directly but

31:30 Can we identify this snake that they were interested in, this snake genius? Well I thought about this long and hard and realized it was connected with this area of the sky around the area of Sagittarius and Scorpius. And what was clear is that this area was steeped in sky lore to do with snakes Ophiuchus, which is often known as the 13th son of the zodiac holds a snake known as Serpens and this is formed out of stars that run through this particular constellation. Scorpius itself although we know as a scorpion generally many ancient cultures saw it as a snake

32:13 including in native america for instance i mean the serpent mound in adams county ohio that's been identified as a form of school p.m. for instance because at the time of the summer solstice when the head of that site was aligned to the sun is set that side no it's scope you would have been prominent in the sky directly south and it's been proposed that the Earth mound itself, this effigy mound is a representation of Scorpius in its role as a snake. But in many other countries as well this area of the sky is associated with a snake you know the Scorpius I realized that but then I realized something much more obvious and that is that the Milky Way itself was seen as the snake

33:01 And once I started looking that up, cultures from India to Mesopotamia to North America to Mexico. To South America and in other parts of the world even in Greece the Milky Way was seen as a huge cosmic serpent It was known as the world in circling cycle will deserve your borrow symbol. The or a boris and egyptian greco-egyptian tradition, if you look into north mythology it is what's not just the midcard serpent, add this full part of this whole tradition to do with the three worlds the upper world the middle world of the lower world

33:44 If you look online and put Yudrasil, the world tree of Norse mythology. You'll see a really great image that comes up that shows the tree it shows the middle earth it shows the sky world in the upper branches of the tree It shows the lower world going down into the roots And surrounding it all you have the Midgard serpent and you have an ocean beyond that Now this is not the terrestrial ocean This is what's known as the cosmic ocean. The cosmic ocean was thought to exist before the physical universe came into being. In some strange way, this is an intuitive idea of what we would call the Big Bang really because certain theories within that suggest that prior to the coming into being of our physical universe there existed this state known as The Bulk which is 11 dimensional in nature

34:43 And the manifesting into this eleven dimensional well was something that in string theory they refer to as a brain and that this. In flights like a balloon or a bubble And into this, our physical universe came into being. It has its own laws of physics which are three dimensions of space and one of time but within it somehow compactified are all those higher dimensions as well but the other universes can exist. This is in many ways exactly what many ancient cosmologies talk about, that this cosmic ocean which was known as the primordial chaos or the primordial void existed prior to the coming into being of the physical universe and it's often said that the being responsible for this took the form of a snake or serpent which became a world encircling serpent

35:46 If you look up the Gnostic snake egg, you'll see this beautiful image of an egg with a serpent coiled around it. That egg is our universe before that breaks open and forms the vaults of heaven but also the earth itself and also the lower world Again, these are ideas which although you might say well surely they're thousands of years after the time of Corahantepae and they are. Of course they are but their universal which means that your looking at something that probably has an origin going into the last ice age in other words more than 12000 years old and it would probably have been universal not only across the Eurasian

36:30 Continent in the past but also through into the americas which remember was linked with the urasian continent via the berlin jr. Lambridge and this was closed up only about nine to ten thousand bc so there would have been a flow of peoples, you know going probably from europe all the way across into russia siberia of c cross into alaska into the americas This is obviously the standard model of the population of the Americas. But, with this would have come all these traditions that pre-existed. You can find so many links for instance between the shamanism of Siberia and Mongolia for instance and that of North America. They are almost exactly the same

37:18 This is something that would have been shared at least twelve thousand years ago maybe even as much as forty thousand years ago. Man it does go deep and you know the cultists also have very similar model for their cosmology with the dot in the circle that consciousness was at one point And then it pushed itself out in a big bang kind of way but it's just kinda more than animus viewpoint of the same sort of model this expanding from a single point. Everything and i wanted to jump over to the mystery of the alabaster bowl because to make that case, that is kinda ritual activity and communication is happening at karen tepe is strengthened by just pointing out that happened all over the place and many different places

38:08 And you right here that there are very few artifacts directly related to the fight not sticks and we know very little about what these heretic christians did in their mystical rights and shamanic rituals but this bowl. That is believed to be a relic of their mystery schools might tell us a little bit it is around ball with sixteen naked people sitting in a circle with their feet towards the center And in the center like a bullseye is a very strange winged serpent creature me we talked about birds, talk about snakes sometimes those symbols are combined and then we have the dragon lore all over the place but yes i wing serpent creature that seems to be in a ball of light with rays coming out and touching each person's feet if i was trying to illustrate

39:00 a group communication ritual with the winged serpent being of light i don't think i could do a better job then what is depicted on this ball Talk to us about this relic and what it means to you because it kinda suggest that there's this point where are your making a big site like. Karen pepe people gonna know about it and it seems like maybe the sky ritualization in communication was democratize or more widespread, and then of course authorities want to suppress such a thing that seems like at some point and then it goes into the mystery schools and its more underground and this relic seems to be kind of

39:41 evidence of this maybe turning point of at least this next chapter where it is more a suppressed thing but we have this one mysterious ball from the gnostics. Yeah i'm gonna go back to car and explain why that this is so important because, the question is this milky way serpent did really exist was it an intelligence in its own right well The area of its head corresponded with something that we know as galactic center or the galactic bulge. This is in the area of Scorpius and Sagittarius, and in the past this would have looked like some kind of celestial light bulb in the sky

40:25 and because right through the center of it is the Cygnus Rift or the Dark Rift, it looks like its an open mouth creature. And very often this creature was associated with the head of a snake or serpent I mean it can be identified as other animals as well but mostly it was a snake so the head off the Milky Way Serpent the galactic bulge. This corresponds with Galactic Center, what we know about Galactic Center the center of our own Milky Way galaxy is that there is a huge super massive black hole there known as Sagittarius A star in astronomical circles

41:10 There have been proposals, most notably by the great free thinker of our times Rupert Sheldrake that this supermassive black hole could be an intelligent being in its own right. That it has its own consciousness as And this forms into the idea known as panpsychism. And that is that everything has consciousness, you know every tree, every rock, every place in the landscape, every world, every hill but as well as the sun and moon, stars, neutron stars they've all got consciousness in some way shape or another we just haven't recognized that until now

41:53 So, it could well be that at the centre of our galaxy is an intelligence that is almost like a localised form of God if you like. Let's call it that! Bearing that in mind, is it possible that the people of Corahantepae were intuitively aware their own particular higher intelligence was connected with the head of the Milky Way Serpent and thus the direction of galactic center? I think the answer is definitely yes. So coming forward in time, what happened to the knowledge of the people of Corahan Tepeh? Well it seems to have filtered down through certain huge ritual centers in the area of Corahan and Gobekli. One of those is the ancient city of Haran

42:49 and this is in the center of this huge plane. And this was the clearing house through until probably, the middle ages of incredible knowledge and wisdom that would eventually come to find its way into everything from Hermetica to Gnosticism and various mystery schools including the Tarot interestingly enough. The knowledge there I think goes all the way back to car and to play i mean just start off with her and the oldest occupational mount on the site. Go back to about eight thousand bc so we know that it was occupied right at the time of the occupation of car and to pay and which was around like around eight thousand bc

43:41 And it's my belief that people were carrying forward ideas at Haran and also the nearby city of Urfa, which is modern day Shanlurfa. Which we'll come on to separately these are known as the cities of the Chaldeans. The Chaldeans were the ancient astronomers, the ancient astrologers, the ancient soothsayers and wisdom bringers of this region and they created Gnosticism. Gnosticism focused around the idea that there was a localized form of God that took the shape of a snake, serpent which they called The Good Serpent but this was only acting on behalf of an invisible god that was beyond it

44:29 that was seen almost like a sort of invisible sun, that radiated out its beams of influence. But it was beyond our comprehension and we needed an interface to connect with God. Now the Gnostics, the Orphites, which simply means serpent These serpent worshippers believed that the snake was literally the son of God, the role that Jesus would eventually take within obviously the more orthodox conventional forms of Christianity. And that snake could give them knowledge of this supernal sun, in other words of God himself. This was known as the Gnosis or the knowledge of God himself. In other words what was really going on out there and this is what I think the people of Corahantope were trying to achieve themselves

45:27 But not just knowledge and wisdom which i think that they achieve through shamanic experiences the would have involved a certainly the use of hallucinogenic drugs to use of constant repetitive sound probably sensory deprivation. Possibly even the use of ritual polls we think that some of these enclosures at Corahanta Bay almost certainly had water in them. The shamans or the initiates would have to go into this water, possibly for days on end to quite literally get out of their heads and experience this communication with this higher intelligence in the form of a snake but these ideas are filtered down into the Gnostic beliefs and the Alabaster Bowl that we're talking about surfaced in the mid-19th century

46:18 And was commented by various scholars at the time and this continued through into the 20th century. Originally found in the 19th century and then obviously, was written about in detail on the 20th you described it. You know what these 16 figures male and female naked with their feet touching this, it looks like a flower but it's probably the sun itself. It has 32 rays coming out of there so one each for all of the feet of the individuals and sitting right on that is the cosmic serpent itself. These people are clearly bathing themselves in this energy thats coming from the supernal sun

47:04 And I say, these are not my mad ideas. The Gnostic scholars that have looked at this in great detail have concluded exactly that and i think that what you are looking at here is a stylized representation of exactly what was going on at Corahan Tepe as much as 11 to 12 000 years ago and I think that's quite extraordinary and I think that it's all come through places like Haran and Urfa, which in the Bible was known as the city of Edessa by the way. And these places are incredibly important for having kept alive all of this ancient wisdom and then passing it on to new generations through new cults, new religions, new ideas which meant that it was available right the way until late antiquity. In other words the time of the first Christians, the first Gnostics which

48:04 It meant that these Gnostics were connecting with an ancient source, an intelligence that What's real was out there somewhere in the center of our galaxy again they might not have known this and indeed, no stick started to say this good serpent more associated with the northern part of the sky that i did. The area off galactic center where they saw another server which i called the bad so there was a good server on the back up and search clear that these were all the ideas that they wanted to get away from it what is that reinvent the cosmic snake as to do with the post star and that stars of draco which were itself a serpent but if you look deeply into those gnostic beliefs they too had this idea of this serpent, this snake influence connected with the area galactic center.

48:57 I love it you definitely know how to talk about this stuff and i wanna ask a little more about plasmas themselves because this is just so key cuz we spend a lot of time talking about paranormal activity in aliens and all sorts of stuff and plasma might be. The central thing the composition of what these things are made up you could look at a call literature and grimoires and people drawn pentagrams on the ground in summoning something, add it's being of light and its repeatable that's probably some form of plasma then. No even the abduction phenomenon ufo is like it might be everything they might even be

49:40 The source of our thoughts about god which this kind of relates here so i did read the books you wrote with greg little and origins the gods u do right about the ark of the covenant and the idea that this whole. God thing they called ya way might have just been one of these plasmas they had sustained contact with probably know what the arcs help making it more repeatable And you use the term and state beans and there's a lot of science behind what these things could be in their qualities it's super provocative set of ideas but help people understand this a little bit better i mean what. To say plasma doesn't really tell us a whole lot where do these plasmas come from how they emerge water quality is in composition as far as your concerned. Plasma is something that probably feels ninety

50:34 percent of the whole universe. It's not atomic matter, so it is obviously very important but we have to go back to the Big Bang again. We mentioned it earlier because when our universe came into existence it created not atomic matter to start with but for the first 380 thousand years it created what's known as gluon plasma and this filled the universe itself. There was nothing else just plasma but then very gradually, this plasma started slowing down and transforming into what we know as atomic matter. And that atomic matter is what we call atoms everything that we have around us and within us is made of atoms

51:30 And this creates physical matter. A physical matter is one of the three states of matter that we know and love, the other two obviously being liquids which is more fluent version of matter and beyond that of course is gas which is you know the air around us or any gas that comes out about gas cookers or whatever those are the three states of matter but what's known as the fourth state of matter is plasma Plasma if you want to put it in simple terms, its splitting atoms up into two parts. Into what's known as positive and negative ions the positive ions are the nucleus of the atom with some of the electrons still flying around there. And the negative ions are the electrons that have become free and now flying around in an excited state

52:28 And as they do this, they create their own magnetic fields around themselves. Because they are doing it in bulk together, this will create almost like a ball of light if you like and the reason why the light is there by the way is because this excitation causes the electrons to release tiny photons of light so that's why you see this So plasmas can take the form of balls but Most people when they think of plasma balls i think of let's say you're thunder storms lightning. Balls that just come in appearance shoot about course and damaging disappear but plasmas or plastic which is the correct term for the ball like versions of it, can linger much longer not only in the laboratory when they are created but also outside in the landscape because the landscape creates its own

53:29 plasmoids, its own plasma constructs. This it does through geology most particular the presence of certain types of minerals such as quartz and tourmaline that can be pressurized into releasing their electrons which are used to create what's known as ionospheric environments and these are like tinderboxes for the creation of plasma The other big factor is fault lines, the stresses and strains that have fractured the Earth either because of the movement of tectonic plates or the movements of different rock strata. Often due to things like ice ages and stuff like this will fracture

54:20 the underlying bedrock. Once again, this puts huge strains on the Earth and creates these ionospheric environments that create plasma objects. In other words you will see them more likely where there are very specific types of geology. Certain minerals or metals for instance can convey those electrons more easily through the ground and they break the surface, and suddenly they will appear in the air. And there's no question that many UFO or UAP sightings can be explained as plasmas or plasmoids or plasma orbs is one of the terms that are used today but they're not just floating balls of light They can show intelligence, they unquestionably seem to be intelligent in nature

55:15 There are a number of papers just come out in the last year that tell us that plasma can be intelligent. What this means is that the plasma itself isn't intelligent, I mean plasma is just plasma but what can happen is that intelligences existing on a deeper level of existence outside of normal space time can occupy the space created by plasma. The way I always describe it a glove. One of my fingerless gloves here, I mean this glove is nothing is it? It's a piece of cloth, it's dead, it's not alive right but if I put my hand inside it like this it animates it the glove's not alive but my hand is animating it so that the plasma becomes animated

56:05 and that you have intelligences occupying these objects. These objects can become quite solid and even form into structured craft. How can they do that? Because the plasma acts as portals into higher dimensional environments, and they can become wormholes. In other words, two mouths in different positions that are entangled together on a quantum level that allow matter to enter one and exit in another. In other words, quite possibly extraterrestrial objects could use plasma to manifest into our physical reality.

56:49 It's possible that we are talking about objects and intelligence is that exist on a higher dimensional frequency usually, did i ever to use plasma to enter our world become what we call plasma beings like babies. But also there was a chance the at least some of these objects and the entities come from them coming in from parallel worlds Parallel worlds that coexist with us how do they coexist with this because of the brains but i told you about before the br a n e s third are created within the eleven dimensional bulk according to the main theory both the bulk and the creation of physical universe other universes can be created at the same time. I may not have the same laws of physics is there

57:41 and that these different universes can exist independently, but they can interact and overlay each other. And when this happens there can be bleed-throughs from one to the other so if you're interacting with a brain or universe that's not quite the same as us all has different laws of physics it has different animals different creatures different intelligences different environments then those Then i can stop bleeding through into our probably only on a temporary basis because the chances are that these other universes. Come apart from around eventually maybe after a few minutes if you ask your dad for weeks so that whatever has manifested into our world suddenly finishes as it was never there in the first place but

58:32 You know this is what we call bubble universe is the bubble universes these other universes can come into existence. Even overland garrote and they don't have to be the same size as around universe that could be back. you know they can exist for three seconds or whatever. You know in other words, they can open and close at will sometimes overlaying with our own sometime existing separately to our own but occasionally interacting with our own and this is the physics that we're dealing with now and again this is not some new age concept that I'm creating in my head This is what cutting edge science tells us

59:12 Is now possible through our knowledge of mathematics geometry astronomy astrophysics and physics as a whole. That's a great breakdown and the glove analogy is a good one because when i hand is in the glove you can then manipulate the shape of it. No pretty effortlessly and so they are manipulating the shape of the plasma to sometimes appear as other things but the description how the plasmas come to be sounds very random it's like lighten its like a flash the pan almost what kind of sounds like so it's

59:52 From the perspective of being that's inhabiting the plasma. How does it know this is going to occur how does it get into the plasma what are these intelligence doing when there's not a plasma present because in some instances these are repeated, communications with the same entity so what is about reading a grimoire and drawing a pentagram And facing a different direction cuz direction alley is very key and a lot of those magical rituals and the timing the astrological celestial timing is important.

1:00:29 It gets the same plasma to show up or at least one that can pretend to be the same and respond to the same name as people have ongoing communications even aliens people are on going visitations. And the ones that come seem to be aware of the previous interactions is well so thats kinda where it's weird to me because the description the scientific description make sense but also seems so random and so chaotic and so quick like a flash in the pan as opposed to some of these other stories I hear of sustained communication over long periods of time. Yeah, well I mean the idea that plasma can be occupied by intelligences existing quite literally outside of normal space-time was really first proposed in the 1960s by a plasma physicist by the name of David Bowen

1:01:26 He wrote extensively on this subject and many of my ideas, unquestionably began with his. And he talked in terms of what he referred to as proto intelligences. Now that doesn't mean that they're substandard or anything like that, but they are intelligences that are not of a material nature that coexist with us in what we would perceive as an invisible state probably involving a higher dimensional quality about them that we just cannot connect with properly i mean and i think the call sagan adequately describe this back in the sixties nearly seventies when he talked about being three dimensional beings but if you can imagine two dimensional beings flat beans that, can only go forwards or sideways on a flat plan world basically that was looks like a piece of paper.

1:02:26 If those entities are there and then suddenly a three-dimensional object, let's say like a ball passes through their two dimensional existence what are they going to see? All they're gonna see is suddenly a hole or opening up and this black flat thing gradually getting bigger and bigger until it reaches its maximum weight and then suddenly again a smaller and smaller again as it passes through there to dimensional flat plan world so how are they gonna interpret. In other words, they're not gonna see it as a ball. They are never ever going to see it as a ball because they are two dimensional in nature and its the same with us if we are dealing with beings intelligences that normally occupy let's say four maybe five dimensions perhaps even eleven dimensions

1:03:21 How are we going to save them when not we might see flashes of light we bought the plasmas but we won't fully understand what's right in front of our own eyes because we have three dimensional creatures. The only way that we could possibly start understanding is up here you know brain and within a consciousness with dreams and within visions man, Wow well sometimes even two hours is enough time i always am thinking that's add this card quite a few things i mean just amazing material we didn't talk about colin's cave i know that in the past you have done some kind of.

1:04:04 Experiments with organ or been involved in a group for organ and that itself is fascinating but hey you got more books coming out maybe we can do this again sometime. But i think human for vouching for me and getting the full two hours show on the box i know it's a big ask, i also know you have a lot of events coming on this year i think turkey trip in may and then again in september easter egg england august peru in november Before i really let you go the reason we do that and let people know not only where they can get the book me where can't they get a book but no just the things are working on the thing you have available. Your website is your first and last name dot com but these trips are also big thing you're doing yeah i mean this is something i do as you mentioned with my good friend colleague human and his partner jj ainsworth,

1:04:57 the top of that guy relating to these types of sites at the moment car and type i can go back to pay if you want to go out today so it's. You have no better company than us i promise you because we've been on top of this for years and i've been on top of it for the last two decades basically, obviously done various books on the subject get back to play genesis of the gods come in twenty fourteen Karahan Tepe, Civilization of the Anunnaki and The Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden. Yeah that's the one which is the latest book which obviously fully updates everything and covers this site of Karahan Tepe and everything we've been talking about today but you know you've got other books as well from the Ashes of Angels which came out in 1996 that really set the pace for it all and it was actually being written at the same time

1:05:50 that the first space we're going into the ground at the back to play i didn't know knowledge of it and yeah i've been pointed, why area as the cradle civilization is said this is where you find evidence of a shamanic elite kickstarted civilization. That's exactly what i found to pay plus you got my books on the ufo uap plasma intelligence says like quest origins of the gods And we haven't even talked about the Denisovans. If you want to go all the way back to where all of this Megalithic science comes from there the people that's in this event out of siberia and china. I want to batten plaza when all the rest of it that's where you gonna find them. Andrey colin stock commies my website can obviously get these books from good online stores were told to plug amazon and bonds and noble got bonds and i will get upset if you only ever mention amazon apparently,

1:06:50 So i have to say that and yeah we do these tours were going to turkey in may and again in september. We're going to prove bolivia and easter island in november thats gonna be, epic journey which i'm probably gonna be away from my home probably about a month. What's made personally all the people don't have to spend all that time there but you know you can join any part of it yellow details are they out if u like what you heard You can communicate with me either through the email address on the website or find me on social media. I mean all the links to my social media and YouTube are on the opening page of the website so hope to see you out and about, if we're at the tours or one of these conferences that i do as well

1:07:41 Amazing well i really love talking to you we covered a lot of ground i've loved several of your books and it seems like the ones that like most haven't even got to yet but. I really liked that these tours are going on, i have heard u also talk about the fact that the world economic forum is doing some things that go back with tepe trying to pour concrete there and plant trees in trying to keep things suppressed and thats a whole nother Bollocks but you know go while you can people in a take a trip why you can. Geopolitical tensions are high trips might be hard to take and a couple years, go now i mean i'm tempted to find a babysitter for the kids and get on one of these if you ever do want to go around on the french pyrenees nagrail sites i'll definitely have to looping some babysitter for the kids and get out on one of those but

1:08:29 I can't imagine better guides than you and you so i hope some people take up on that but thanks for taking the time to talk me today and take care of your great thank you. Oh sweet baby jesus is what im talking about one of the best in a game name that was definitely on my dream guest list frost off, It was definitely good for me, and it's all thanks to Hugh who told Andrew that in the vast sea of podcasts trying to get an interview THC is one that is worth taking the time to do. Sometimes a personal recommendation IS THE DIFFERENCE hint-hint audience let's flex that muscle a bit more but right up my alley exactly the kinds of topics I've been interested in recently A surprise to no one listening I'm sure

1:09:22 Another reason why two hours is so clutch his latest book is about caravan tap and of course we're gonna talk about it. As late as discoveries in conclusions with such a huge back catalog of work that resonates with us right now a second hour is when we can really get further into that, examples being ufo cases and just the decades of contact with plasma beans in skinwalker ranch and girana and the grail quest in the french pyrenees. We got into binding plasma beans for power if that is something that happens in stonehenge and dodecahedron dream space and a lot of fun stuff,

1:10:08 He's a very versatile guy but yet so many roads do lead to the same places cuz i do think it's all connected. Anyway get plus for eight bucks a month five shows a month seven hundred and fifty plus shows in the archive all ad free and well edited and available, do you as you know but the stars really aligned here in several ways And you know every time i have an interview that covers this sort of material i mention that two week trip in armenia i took on the gram hancock tour. Also remember that three part video is available on youtube for free on my channel, i chapter did out by side i think there's like five sites and each one

1:10:52 There is a great breakdown of the interesting things that i saw on that trip never really get talked about including a buried step pyramid etc etc. But only bring that up to say i have been on one of these kinds of research trips it was one of the first things i did with my newfound freedom from the day job, but if i could do it again andrew collins in hugh newman would be my pics as the tour guides i would want You can actually notice in the armenia videos that are actual armenian guides were way more out there and willing to talk about strange things like where giant bones were buried and legends a lot of great stuff. That gram sort of brushed off wasn't interested in that so just think andrew and hue are way more my speed,

1:11:44 But i am reminded that we went to this one monastery out on a cliffside, we had taken air tram kind of thing i think they said one of the longest of its kind on earth and we got up to this tatav monastery and these are some hard core. Almost isoteric isolated black robed christians but they have this stone monument a huge pillar i believe it was like fifteen feet high i would guess And the pillar was said to move in our tour guide try to get us a demonstration and they shot that down. But i was reminded of that because there is apparently this moving pillar in the caravan tepe complex, i don't know if we even talked about that but it's in the book a good amount and it gets mentioned in care hand tape conversation so maybe a lot you are familiar

1:12:39 But this Tatev Monastery had something like that and it's said to detect earthquakes and be able to be swayed just with consciousness alone. You know how it goes, rumors and speculation but this is a little bit from the Wikipedia page The Pendulous Column or Swinging Column is a monument dedicated to the Holy Trinity It's located in the south of the Cathedral. It compromises a column about 8 meters tall crowned with a craquelure type cross. The column has been dated to the 10th century, the cross is no earlier than the 18th century but its form may be based on an earlier example built in the year 906 this unique structure stands at a total height of 9 meters doing the conversion nine meters is like 30 feet

1:13:32 And they call it gavis and then they say what sets gavis and apart is its remarkable ability to sway or swing without collapsing making at the only structure in the complex to have survived the test of time, remaining intact despite centuries of existence. So if there's saying it's the only structure in the complex to have survived the test of time I wonder if the pillar was here a lot longer and the monastery was just built around it, but check that out. It's a fun rabbit hole to get into what that pillars about or you can just watch my part of that video Tatev Monastery. I don't know... Just maybe another example of an ancient stone pillar with kind of weird qualities That actually saw anyway i do think we covered a ton of ground And it was just great to get his thoughts on a number of subjects

1:14:27 Hopefully the response is strong so he won't be able to pass up a chance to return. That's the way it goes, help me help you! Because I think there's a lot more material there i'd love to get into but in higher side news really just stay in the course as i've been saying i've added the new closing songs to the individual show pages You don't have to be a plus member just download the mp3 from the episode show notes if you want today's is pretty fun And as we do, we take a look at the last episode rating. This episode in particular was largely Reddit focused with Magnora7 I had no idea where we would be Was not sure how much overlap there was between THC and reddit users But it hit a bit better than i thought 4.7 Clearly a great majority of plus people found it interesting So glad that's the case because it was a bit of an unknown

1:15:25 Glad we all had a good time. And as for the meetup calendar, we got February 1st coming in hot Conway Pub in Conway Washington February 3rd Gail Braths Ale House and Auckland New Zealand February 7th Bunk Bar and Portland Oregon I think that's a new one February 8th McCall Collective Taphouse in Braeringsville Pennsylvania And also february eighth carolton texas three nations brewery pretty sure that's now. February tenth santa fe new mexico roots and leaves in february fifteenth h2 booster, enlisting in netherlands very awesome to see a pretty full calendar of events all over the place just thc listeners getting together if you can form a network or any kind of friendships are bonds based on that common ground

1:16:20 That's pretty impressive and i love the people are out there trying go over to higher side meetup dot com to get more details on any event rsvp or make your own but that's the show. Really fun and out their stuff we got into today not a lot of people like it have that conversation with when people ask me about my religious views all just share this episode with them because close enough right, But that said, do take care. Thanks again to Andrew for his time and to you for listening I'll see on the next one i've done my part Your move religion starting spirits ritually revealed plasma beings and the great snake genius in the sky your fucking

1:17:05 The spark of inspiration said if we build it they will come. The message was mysterious underneath the midnight sun. The flicker of the fire gave a hint of something there, an outline took its shape. The deeper into it we'd stand! We'll try to call the shrine open the portal

1:17:44 We'll give you knowledge, take it or leave it From the cosmic college if you can't we started stacking up the stones Just following a plan According to our ritual we could barely understand. We were so curious but just couldn't put it down When all steps were complete we gathered around a line Come to the shrine, open the door We'll give you knowledge if you can receive it Bang the drum and take a brew Just like we've instructed you And this strange conscious connection will ensue

1:19:09 When the stars align we'll travel Come to the shrine, open up We'll give you knowledge Take it or leave it From the cosmic college If you can receive it Bang a drum and take the broom Just like we've instructed you And this strange conscious connection will exude

1:19:49 Oh-ooh-ooh-ooh Make the drum and take the brew Just like we've instructed you And this strange conscious connection will ensue Oh-ooh-ooh I'm gonna play the drums.