Allen Greenfield | Sex Magic, The Grail Within, & Manifestation

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01:37 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Alright, another day another deep dive into this weird world. Higher Side Chatters from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and somewhere between the daily grind of the nightly news we know there are many energetic and magical mechanisms that are not advertised to the huddled masses And it seems like these days every button is being pushed in lever pulled to disempower us erode our financial footing and limit our access to quality education natural food and optimum H2O

02:34 If you ask me, we have more reasons to reach into the magical toolbox than ever and any extra oomph we can get to help us beat back the big machine and even just tread water in these troubled times is worth hearing about. Because conventional methods of making it just aren't working out as well And what if we actually have a resource that we've been neglecting all this time? Well, lay down your judgments and unclutch your pearls because today we're getting deep into the world of sex magic with someone who's been exploring this realm for most of his life. Returning guest Alan Greenfield. Alan has been an occultist since 1960 and has practiced ceremonial magic almost just as long. He spent two decades climbing the ranks at the OTO only to leave the structured organization for a more independent and individualistic path to illumination

03:23 And he's explored and experimented with the powerful realm of sex magic all along the journey, and it has facilitated as he says some of his most profound and potent magical experiences. His book on the topic The Grail Within The True Quest for the Holy Grail in Western Magical Tradition was originally privately printed but not published in a limited edition of just 93 copies and hand distributed to other senior adepts The Grail Within is Alan's exploration of the central secret of many Western mystery schools and is now out there in a recently released new edition of the book published for the first time. He's also a 35-year veteran in ufology and UFO investigative work, which we mainly focused on in our last interview about his books Secret Cipher Of The Ufanots and Secret Rituals Of The Men In Black

04:13 Two books he wrote in the 90s that have now been reprinted as a single volume called The Complete Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts, which played a big role in the popular Hellyer series. It's certainly a pleasure to have him back! The esoteric Don Juan sex magic maestro and master of his domain, Alan my man welcome back to the higher side Good evening. I hope i don't sound too sinister it is actually the first time that this is in print published because, i mean 93 copies hand distributed free of charge was essentially intended as you said for initiates very

05:00 sophisticated initiatives and i got good feedback but probably if we're doing that today some of those people would definitely be awful they had the right credentials but if you explore their points of view it's very dogmatic and thats one thing I Discourage heavily which is any kind of dogmatism about. Things sexual to begin with and things magically sexual even more so. Fair enough, we are a dogma free zone I would say. And i definitely enjoyed our last interview about the complete secret cipher of the UFOnauts and while this sex magic topic is a completely different thing we all have sex if were lucky enough most of us can say that orgasm was probably the most powerful energetic experience we've had soberly

05:54 If it can be harnessed and channeled into putting some extra potency behind our manifestation abilities or magical potency in general why not right well that's a good approach i think that. Exceptions noted sexuality is available to everyone But focusing in such a way as to make sexual magic work is an art unto itself, and you probably need to spend a couple of years learning sitting meditation first. That would be true of any branch of magic because there are freaky moments. And in addition to meditation then you need to have some knowledge of ritual magic

06:41 Add that point you can integrate if you choose your personal sexual life with. Your magical knowledge and use the great power of sexuality i'm not even sure you could call sexual situations being In an ordinary state of mind i think that there are endorphins involved and all sorts of internal chemistry that some people try to duplicate. External sources with some success but also rain fall which is probably not the best way to be when you're doing something about magical nature regardless. And there we go i mean the book is

07:30 It fills the need that other books that have dealt with tantra in the East and sexual magic in the West tend to be obscure, and when they talk about it they talk about what? They talk about The Theory. And their theory is sometimes Limited but they don't talk about their own personal practice. I can only think of one book ever and it's an obscure book by Lewis Culling way, way back that influenced me and apparently nobody else but in briefly discusses his own experiences and he was a member of a schismatic group I guess had its origin in the OTO

08:20 Yes the terror of god or something equally pretentious he was just a member but he carried on that work single handedly and i think it. Possibly is not my radar anymore said probably died with him what's reborn with me because i read it and i thought hey this sounds really good so most of my book Once i stated the same thing that you can get from a dozen other books all the more decorative late discussed i try to go into my personal experiences not all of them but enough so that it was painful to ride because its very personal and.

09:10 I felt like somebody who has been a practitioner of one or another form of sexual magic in the west. There are accounts of tantra and kundalini yoga that would scare anybody off if you read gopi krishna, you'll never meditate Kundalini, because he had an experience that lasted a lifetime. Not a good one but that was a spontaneous experience and I think the Western tradition has more controls built into it unless somebody just naively plunges in so to speak no pun intended and there you go. So i wanted to talk about that because

09:56 Typical. In fact, it's non-existent as far as I know if somebody knows the title that deals with that fine but the Holy Grail referred to there is symbolic of sexual relations heterosexual sexual relations If one has attended an agnostic mass you have all that the OTO can really teach if you really know what the symbolism is so you can just go once put your dollar in the collection box or whatever and leave, which is my advice. Don't play that game because I don't know any more about that than I did the day I got involved but you know, the priest puts the lance in a cup of red wine and drops the particle? You do not need Fellini to figure that out

10:51 Train goes into the tunnel, the tide comes in. I mean it's all on display and it's not like they have all of the secrets there. Inner most guarded secret which has been published like a gazillion times in various books There are other quote secrets that is there's an absence of public information and I go into some of those briefly with some because they're not my thing. And then in more detail with others, like there is...I don't go into this more than just a mention but there's a whole thing involving sexual bondage that

11:33 Has magical implications if you look for one time i attended an event at a club where a guy was trying to get a group organized to look into the spiritual aspects of bondage which. plenty of those. But, of course that's a very specialized area and you have to be into it for it to have that kind of juice that you're looking for but all initiation if you reduce it to its core is induced crisis and resolution and then the realizations that grow out of that resolution. That's every degree in every system that ever was created

12:21 And certainly that would apply to the bondage thing but i didn't go into that i went into mainly solo sex magic and my involvement with various people who appear under other names than their own. It's not for their protection it's because I don't like being sued particularly There you go. Well, I do appreciate the boldness in the book and getting past all the euphemisms because so often you get into a magical text and it's just layered and all this allegory and euphemisms and you're almost like...I don't even know if i'm identifying all this symbolism correctly and uh you just kind of spell it out there which i think is important! And there is a lot of mystique around initiatory magical orders and secret societies

13:10 in general and to say that the central secret of these organizations is sex magic, I mean it's pretty provocative. That's what it's all about in these places? The big secret at the apex of the initiatory orders is just sex magic?" Yep! That's it. Sorry to be brief but that's all they have to teach now. They do have a In certain orders, they have a homosexual degree that most people don't take except gay people I guess if they want it and it's rare. But they really have no further notions of what one can do. You find inspiration in certain Eastern practices and I find mine in the hidden gem of Western sexual magic which is P.B Randolph's writings

14:02 Which I refer to in the book and i believe my publisher has brought out a an edition of. Randolph secret teachings on sexual magic it's basically that same you know your most secret but as he said and i use the term printed not published but now it can be told its published too so there is out there So talk to us about what a person can get out of exploring some other rights and techniques that comprise the sex magic corpus i mean increased manifestation seems to be a big one but there's gotta be a lot more right oh yeah i mean it facilitates things like distant remote viewing and it can facilitate a precognition

14:54 It also, and it has a great potential for dark-sided stuff. It can create the manifestation of what Edward Alexander Crowley called the Budwill which is more or less like the Tibetan notion of a tulpa which I think is what going back to the UFO stuff, what that men in black are usually about there not separate beings they are manifestations that are temporary and set in motion by the magician, in this case the sex magician who concentrates on generating what you call it chi prana or gone dark energy whatever you want to call it into a temporary being that does your

15:46 wishes. Some would say will, but I think that's probably overly optimistic sometimes it's pretty nefarious stuff and i hope at rock bottom that's not anyone's will except Putin but that's neither here nor there sorry all good you can bleep that if you want to but let me say one thing about that okay significant things not about him personally really exactly People of my generation so often had dreams of being in a nuclear war that. Dr spot not to be confused with mr spark who wrote baby and child care the year i was born revise his edition late in life, talk to parents about what to do with their children's nuclear warfare

16:39 Well, after the Soviet Union went the way of all Soviet unions to that great collective in the sky or wherever it may be—I'm trying to be delicate about this. I had no more nuclear war dreams. I have lots of nightmares of various sorts because when you fish in the waters I fish in there's fishy stuff that comes up. And it tends to emerge at night i had one last night oh first time in thirty years i had a nuclear war dream and i was going into my.

17:20 Personal on this but i have a box that is my end of the world box. And there's no things that you would need at the end of the world so it isn't interview yes and i open the box unlock did opened and put on a helmet to PSAT Standard military issue helmet and put on a sidearm and then all the lights went out everywhere and first they said must be a power failure and then it turned out it was an electromagnetic pulse from somewhere on the other side of the world.

17:59 Now, that isn't prophetic. That just represents it's a like you were saying very troubled times and I hope that this isn't going to be inflict what my generation experienced where the nuclear holocaust was sort of assumed and that it would be apocalyptic is foisted on the millennials and post-millennials and post-post millennials who have had the good fortune to grow up Without nuclear war being a factor although there's no clear disarmament so it still there. Right is never really off the table but as you said talk to lot of people of your generation who were really traumatized by that and fears are powerful thing it seems like they're always injecting fear from one angle or another and their bringing out the old nuclear script again and not scary thing but I guess we

18:53 Control the things we can control i don't worry too much about the rest but of course the dream world is also. Oftentimes very insightful specially with someone who plays in those waters you know that the dreams seem to be a little more potent and a little more meaningful, what coming back to the sex magic thing what do you think are the mechanics involved that make a sexual component to ones magical aim more potent especially something like astral travel or remote viewing or manifestation? I mean obviously the imagination is typically involved, visualization in that place is typically involved. But what would be the mechanics of sex improving one's potency and some other areas because it might not seem immediately obvious well here is the case that people

19:45 Usually are intensely focused during sexual activities it's inherent. And the process itself whatever one is doing your focus on it and in an altered state of consciousness now there are other ways to induce altered states of consciousness chemical waves ritual ways spontaneous wave but sexuality is a handy almost universally accessible way too Be aware of that energy your brain is doing things chemically that bring that out your body is doing things physically and biologically. Bring back aspect of reality it's kind of a sacrifice alice to call you was once asking one of his many lawsuits

20:39 have you ever sacrificed a person? And he said, well I sacrifice thousands of babies every day. He was referring to masturbation but it was lost on the court and he lost the case if i remember correctly. I mean he has faded into being one of those people who know about magic and tried to do something in the modern sense, and I used to think he was like the key person. Now I think he's one among many and probably secondhand influence by P.B Randolph and The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. He wasn't a primary but in any case what happens is—I think, and this is the way I describe it—

21:32 either draws energy from the universe. What energy is drawn? Again, those terms – the term depends on the culture that it arises in but it arises in all cultures. The prana or chi or dark energy is the latest term that is the energy of things that aren't but are Which is, yeah. It doesn't make any sense except if you have studied quantum physics which One doesn't have to be a PhD physicist, which I am not, to grasp the basic points that are found. And it's totally beyond logic – not illogic, it's just beyond logic because nothing makes sense in the practical sense of the quantum universe

22:26 It's like Euclidean geometry, geo being Earth makes sense for things that are Earth commensurate distances but doesn't make any sense when you're talking about distant stars or galaxies or whatever at the other end of the universe. Or even if they're in a restaurant at the end of the universe but that's a different story so that energy is Harness every time anyone has an intense sexual experience but it dissipates in one of two ways and i get this from the influence that dr bill hammer i had on me.

23:05 mostly in his book, The Function of the Orgasm and its sequel, The Cancer Biopathy which wound him up in Lewisburg Federal Prison for the rest of his life because they don't like the notion of something coming from outside of the standard pharmacopeia as it were. And Reich was fearless and wound a martyr for the cause really. And I nevertheless think that his theories about Americans being orgasmically dysfunctional in the sense that the full experience by and large is not experienced by many men and most women, partly because of

23:59 Past or present social repression and partly i think because of something fundamental in the character of this society but if you fully experience it then u have. What do you do with that energy nature reports a vacuum which actually doesn't exist and therefore either dissipate as one gets past the experience Or it vegetates, in which case going back to Reich. It turns into something that is no longer positive and life affirming or goes into creating a physical child or in the magical sense, it goes into creating a difference in reality not necessarily big one. Big ones are really hard define I was active in the peace movement back in Vietnam era that was war many thousands of years ago

24:59 And the cookie or people got together in the thousands and surrounded the pentagon, and tried to levitate the building. That is dumb you know maybe you could influence one generals thinking men who stare at goats as a fair example of government interest in The possibilities of paranormal mind control and that's the same energy that i'm talking about here the difference is that in sexual magic what is focused on turning that. Energy that is developed in the passionate moment into something in reality that alters reality just a tad

25:49 The example that I use in the book, one of them is the technique is called scrying and a flash which kind of gives whole thing away if you think about the term. But I was 40 thousand years ago when the dinosaurs rolled here and I really was going through one of several financial crises and I took a job that was It was fortunate that I had been staying at my mother's apartment, which was upstairs from the European health spa for a couple of months. So I was as buffed as I've ever been in my life just out there and I couldn't have done this job because it was...I got hired by an ex-neighbor actually to do warehouse work picking and packing they call it

26:47 And it was 120 degrees summer and it was cold in the winter, incredibly hot in the summer. And virtually all of the other employees except management were 20 years younger than me so you know it wasn't a competition or anything but I had to pull my weight or leave because I was getting minimum wage which at that time was $5.50 an hour And working ten eleven hour days and i hated it of course everybody hates that kind of job there are side stories i could tell you but it was awful so i started to think hey when im off duty here rarely and awake even rarer i'm a magician.

27:42 And instead of hoping which i actually found myself doing that a box would fall on me so i can get. Workers comp i can do some magic at the time i had a partner, i believe i called her shamara in the book but very talented magician herself actually into organize magic before me show We discussed doing the scrying in the flesh technique designed to get my boss to move me. This is improbable from being a warehouse hand, to being a purchasing agent or something you know? To get me off of that sweat box and onto the main floor with the cubicles and some job. Right going from the uh from the warehouse to corporate it's tough move! Yeah tough move

28:36 But I was kind of desperate and highly motivated. So the book details the technique, and anybody that has practiced magic can do it but I want them to buy the book so I'm not going to give you exact details of it. But suffice to say this at the critical moment when I had an orgasm Project myself into various environments and one of those the main one really. Not necessarily the most esoteric was i would see my boss the ultimate boss to copy to copy to the boss actually elderly jewish gentleman.

29:29 So I would see his face and, I didn't put words in his mouth but the words that came out were you're hired at $50,000 a year. And I did this over and over until my partner got tired of doing it because it's several hours worth of ritual I was back at work on top of a ladder carrying two boxes of Bintang board, whatever the hell that is. It's heavy so i'm balancing it on both hands at the top of a ladder and up comes the guy who had recently been hired to be the hatchet man basically go through the entire firm and get rid of people he saw as being excessive

30:21 In other words, he was hired to fire people. So I'm going okay what does he want? And he asked me a question about my background now i knew that this guy was a dual Israeli-American citizen which is kind of odd but nothing wrong with that it's legal and was a strange sort of guy to begin with and that's a strange kind of job So I was wary about what i would say to him and what he would say to me. What he said amounted too well there's a group of us that are looking to rebuild the temple in jerusalem so what am i going to say oh that's interesting and i think about the entire islamic world coming down on Israel which has a population of 8 million something like that because

31:20 there is the third most sacred Islamic shrine in the very spot, coincidentally. Keeping in mind that I don't think there's any such thing as a coincidence that the first and second temple were built in biblical times so I said oh really you're interested in that? He said yeah and I understand you are a Kohen Now, Kohen in Judaism is the hereditary priesthood that is like 3,000 years old. Which sounds like one of those founding fantasies but actually recent DNA stuff shows it's an intact tradition but it runs through the male line and my mother was the youngest of 12 and was a daughter of a Kohen but because

32:17 My inheritance from that was not because it goes through the mail line and my grandfather on my father's side was well he ran a saloon in baltimore. He would start a co-op or anything of the sort but i thought you won't hurt anyway it's one hundred ten and i'm on top of so i said oh yeah right And he said, well you shouldn't be working in this warehouse because we need people like you. People like me okay? I thought that this was a really long shot so i was kind of just playing it by the way i get to psychic message that black cat just crossed your path. Yes indeed and usually don't record with the camera on because this can only alone but yes

33:14 Okay, so the dog across the hall will start barking at me. He's the only dog I've ever heard who literally says bow wow goes bow wow! Bow wow! Not wolf, bow wow. I wondered where that came from? So now it's the chihuahua across the hall. It barks every time I walk in my kitchen which anyway So where was I, I digressed too far and now i'm lost in the maze of my mind. Well it seemed like your boss was inquiring about your background and people like to help people that they have something in common with, and that seemed to be the catalyst that made the sex magic ritual come full circle. Yeah this is how it happened I mean the way that it happened he was not my boss he was The Hatchet Man but having worked maybe two days later first he offered to fire on the spot

34:15 a woman that was a salesperson, I said, ''I can't be in sales. I don't drive and you have to drive to.'' As they put it at another job that I had, a dough-to-dough salesman. You have to be mobile and that rare item in the Deep South, I'm not for variety of reasons. Having worked on 11 hour shift And my back aching i go to the bus stop and i'm sitting slumped over waiting for the. Rare bus that went through this industrial area where i was working, add a boss comes up with real boss comes up to me in his cadillac i would say rolls down its window but of course it was electric. Lowers is when do you says hey alan

35:18 I go, yeah that's me. That is I." He said, what do you know about a purchasing agent? I said absolutely nothing. This was in the art supply business about which I knew absolutely nothing. Carrying boxes doesn't require a great deal of knowledge of what's in the box as long it wasn't a Dibbuck box but that's a different program and we'll get there someday So i said i really don't know anything about that and he said business is business doesn't matter. We have an opening for a purchasing agent and i want you in the job starting tomorrow i thought jackpot it worked. Add to make matters even im not even sure that the guy that had the change of day with on the ladder,

36:17 Was a real person and not a telepath because, A couple of days later he disappeared mysteriously. He left the message on the machine saying he was leaving and I mean he was not in disrepute in any way but he was gone In fact it was on the same day that in the neighborhood that he lived in, A girl that turned out to have been murdered was missing He was investigated by the FBI. I don't think they ever caught up with him, but they found the person that killed a young lady. But he left at a suspicious time and was inherently a suspicious person. But I think maybe he was just gone-gone like no longer among the earthlings

37:06 Well it's such a interesting story that really does provide a great example of how this stuff can work you spend the time doing this ritual this extended. Scrying in the flesh ritual manifesting or visualizing the, Then you want to come into being and i've heard magic expressed as a probability multiplier so if you get around the building and try to levitate it will the probability is pretty low so even move that little bit still awfully low but But if you're trying to manifest something that makes sense in reality, even if it does require some pieces on the board moving into place in the right way. Well you're going to have a better chance with that and so what she just laid out is a really good example of something that could manifest as a very specific aim and it seems like it worked out And I like to give people pretty practical

38:04 advice or ways to use the tools. Of course, elements of sex magic broadly that I have heard before your book and obviously in your book too is prolonged extended Pre orgasmic state not getting to the apex before too early and keeping that mental focus there another technique i often hear is kinda sitting. Almost in each other's lap and trying to sync up your breathing your rhythmic breathing and keeping a eye contact and trying to create like a,

38:45 A cycle of energy a welling up of energy with those mental things in mind i guess if there are people listening like man you know. It's tough out there right now as you know it's pretty crazy and they need their, desires to manifest. Maybe some people are pretty desperate for their desires to manifest in this window of time where maybe they have an opportunity, what are some other things? Assuming they have worked on their visualization and assuming they have done some breath work and I've done the fundamentals to get themselves into position if they have a wife or partner or even by themselves how can they give a little extra oomph to their manifestation abilities

39:30 Well, I should say that I had been a practitioner of one or another form of occultism at the time that particular ritual was done for about 20 years. So it's not done cold—it's not like if you read it and there is a set of instructions A-you do this B-you do that C-you do that—it manifests. Magic is not that simple or everybody would be a magician and the stock market would belong to magicians and not to the captains of industry. So you do need some background, as I said at the top of this show that requires some prerequisites like anything of any importance one of them is some form of meditation I recommend Jhana

40:31 called China and Zen in Japan, a sitting meditation simply because it centers you. There are magical rituals like the Lesser Banishing Ritual, the pentagram that can be done on a daily basis and I'm not much in favor of memorization because then it becomes rote and loses its meaning but that's one that is Fairly easy to commit to memory and serves you well when magic goes wrong because there is a dark side to sex magic as any other. Form of magic if u wanna know how it can go wrong,

41:16 Find the 1956 Academy Award nominated, Beaten by the Ten Commandments Forbidden Planet starring Leslie Nielsen before he became a comedian. Yes. And imagine yourself to be the Krell, the beings that harnessed their mental energy through machinery went to sleep the night that they had done that and were eaten up by their own inner selves projected outward and apparently the machines, well I'm not going to spoil the whole movie because i think it's one of the 10 best science fiction movies ever made. And shows that Leslie Nielsen didn't just have a sense of humor and good timing but it is true that we all have demons inside of us and if you go to bring out change

42:12 In accordance with your own desires wishes or will there are things that probably around your plate that unless you had what is real regarding recommended i think it was minimum of two hundred hours of psychotherapy before getting involved in any kind of magic how to expect people to do that but. You really do need to know yourself pretty well including the stuff that you don't like about yourself because whether your intention is that or not, the reality is that. That stuff will come out in a magical context weather it's magic ritual magic or no key and magic what have u

42:59 It has a tendency to manifest at some point, which is why there are all kinds of guards involved in various forms of magic. And even with those guards shit happens. Right well Obviously people should be careful engaging with any of this stuff and those prerequisites are certainly important. But even just something simple like, I mean in my job there is no raise really there is no next level it's just like more subscribers so... ...I feel like uh there's really no harm in trying to think and focus on

43:37 i want to double my paid membership every time i orgasm with or without somebody else and i don't know i could put that on the table, are me and my wife we might wanna move the texas into a homesteading type lifestyle instead of where we are. And now we tell each other why not think about that and think about like what made the perfect home studying Location cross our pads may we find something that resonates with us and made out a line well i mean why not without sex several thousand times we should probably. Put it to use wasting a lot of energy here well you know you make a good point there which is kind of why i released the book,

44:21 From its obscurity because there is a school of thought and I have been admonished by the great pooh balls of magic all this is something you can't release to the public because. The great unwashed are not fit to do that. That's baloney. You can't use it unless you understand it, and if you understand it, you're as worthy as anybody else to make use of it." So my tendency is to say well, if you want a move to a homestead in I'd recommend Nevada not Texas but that's just mine. Too hot no water!

44:59 Well, until the flood comes which the geologists say is overdue. But it's much simpler to do something like candle magic which is what they call low magic and it's a form of hoodoo and I've done that. I can't say that it preceded doing anything of a sexual nature but there's nothing Unless you think of candles as phallic objects, which can be done. You get a green candle and you go down to the local curio store or temple store whatever the hoodoo shop in town calls itself and buy yourself a green candle and some anointing oil like let's say in the particular ritual that I'm thinking about

45:49 Another time in my life when I really needed money, because you don't do these things for frivolous purposes. You do them for life-changing needs, if you're your mother's cancer or whatever it is important to reserve it for important things. If you do it for getting a better grade on your test the forces of the universe have a way of admonishing you for that sort of silliness. I may be wrong about this, but I think Crowley once said the magic for opening a door is you go to the door. You turn the knob and open which is his sort of humor not mine but the point is if you try mind control to open the door that's so trivial that your basically spilling your seed upon the ground literally or metaphorically yes

46:45 Don't ask for things that you can easily accomplish without invoking the gods right i did this ritual address to candle light red whatever the store said to read for that. Let's take handle and then next day i get a call from my mother who said, Oh, your father just got a death benefit. He'd been dead for like five years at that point of $800 so I decided to give it to you." I said no problemo mama! That alleviated my immediate situation and another thing during that period that did involve sexual magic with my partner at that time was...I spent about a year in Tampa Florida before going on

47:35 Tucson and the university of arizona environment stuff like that i called tampa temporary i did start a magical group down there that has long range benefits and repercussions but my partner was looking for work. She was a professional belly dancer and there just wasn't. Tampa was at that time, maybe still very socially conservative town couldn't even get an ad for the classified ad for the magical group I was trying to form

48:11 in the local newspaper because they said, this is too weird for us. So I said, oh but I'm a minister of the Universal Life Church which cost me $5 or something and so that made it into the Tampa Tribune But anyway, so we did a sexual magic ritual that involved anal intercourse. Probably illegal in Florida at the time but to get her a good position now what we were hoping for was something along the lines of she would get a gig there for awhile she was working for various holiday ends around the country because she was really good belly dancer and I don't think they're any around as good today has she was

49:00 So we did the ritual and the next day she gets a call from the Florida Academy of Ballet. They said, well, we had a belly dance teacher because that was very trendy thing at the time and so she's going to Egypt. Would you like to take the job? Which was a prestige job and it wasn't lost on us the timing of that somewhat Utrecht ritual became manifest within 24 hours. They aren't all that simple, but yeah if you're motivated and it's something you really need it's likely to work although always in an unexpected way. It's like I want a Rolls Royce circa 1938 with the chauffeur

49:59 You ain't going to get it. I don't care what you do or who you go to bed with, it just ain't gonna happen." But I have a thousand dollar repair bill on my car they say and you find out the next day you can take it to a different shop for $100 and it just comes out of nowhere. You get a leaflet through the mail that says hundred dollars to fix your motor Where somebody would fix my motor and i don't have a car hello yeah i hear examples like that all the time so let me ask you this in the particular example that you gave.

50:39 You were the anal magic and then you were saying for the home studying that we don't have to do sex magic just do candle magic wall. Why not always go for the most potent thing and what is the most potent thing i mean also with candle magic for the audience who isn't aware i think u, you like the candle new visualize the thing in the flame of the candles sit there with it and you think about what it is you want but why did you invoke Anal sex magic that time instead of regular old sex magic or why didn't you just like the candle i mean how do you stack up. How do you rank these things in terms of potency and know where to go for what particular aim, that's the reason for the meditation and prerequisite general knowledge of magic you develop intuitive sense that if it works repeatedly

51:31 Then you pretty well know it just comes into your head maybe the secret chiefs of the third order are whispering in your ear doesn't matter really how it happens. But once you take that path and have moved along get you know, it's like I've been reading tarot since nineteen sixty two first reading was for my mother and so I'm a baby. senior most tarot reader in America at this point, unless some Romany person, elderly Romany person has been reading longer than that. I don't know anybody that's been reading that long but I don't know many people who are alive that long. Anyway, it doesn't mean they're here nor there but its here! At that time way back in 1962 there were only two tarot decks available

52:26 And one was the little black and white deck from the church of light in california which was a spin off for her medic brotherhood of light. Add the other one was the so called wait deck or writer pack actually the pamela coleman smith, who doesn't always get to credit the artist who did that can it was basically based on the internal deck of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which had long since ceased to exist despite what you may hear otherwise. So I got the book that went with it that White wrote and I got the cards—I forget who I got it from probably US Games, the first organization. I think they also did Ouija boards so they were into all kinds of games, fun and games

53:14 And for the first couple of years, I would do whatever layout that they described. The Celtic cross generally is what they recommended and then look up the cards in the book came to time when the book wasn't there and i needed to use the cards and found i know what these cards mean now i don't need any prompting and they may differ from the book but i've developed that particular magical power if you will i can read them and then i've had a minute not gonna go through the whole sixty years of that but i have additional breakthroughs, add their always sudden but you develop an unerring sense of this is the way to do this. I want up spending five years working for the psychic friends network

54:03 As a master psychic which i'm not really sure what that is because i got paid the same thing as the non master psychics twenty five cents talk minute three ninety nine for the customer. The irs jumped down their throat and they went out of business but i don't hear about miss cleo or any other colleagues much anymore always on the warwick was the front person for it so i said i work for dion yeah don't be responsible talk to man. Also okay so you're saying that you know you think about what you are wanting and then something comes to mind that you should engage with an. And this example your girl needed a job and it just came in my baby gonna have to give me that ass, and funny how works out i didn't say that because she would've said fuck off and die or something remotely resembling that i guess you don't want the job that bad yeah

55:03 Now, she was into it too at that time. Right but that's how it arises is something comes to mind that is a maybe a hint or a nudge to say well this might be a practice that you should engage with? It just seems weird I don't understand the logic as to why certain things would come to mind for certain purposes and where that's coming from Well, it may indeed be call them what you want, the Ascended Masters, Nine Unknowns, the Secret Chiefs. They may be whispering in your ear literally or through just intuition. Also there may be something to the notion of an Akashic Record that is something inherent in the universe like the Fibonacci mathematical sequence that one can tap into

56:03 that really has all the answers and it's not 41 for hitchhikers. See? I rest my case, but if you tap into it, I think trying to figure out where it came from is less important than does this pass the smell test? If it seems like bad advice like you want better grades, you need to sacrifice your teacher to the devil Well i would think long and hard about that can be satisfied with the grades you were getting or maybe hit the books a little bit. Are these screen a little bit i guess for the young folks right you talk to the wrong spirit inside well you got an A on the test but you will spend the rest your life in prison your welcome.

56:57 and you're going to the chair. The bad news and the good news, but you really need to take the intuition for what it is and then process it through does this make sense for me and for my reality or not? If it's something ridiculous, you need to write it down in your magical diary so that maybe it doesn't make sense to you now, but 20 years from now you may go, gosh. That was talking about fill in the blank." But if it makes sense and it passes the sniff test then go for it. Fair. If you want to do

57:47 Five hours show on what the source of magical knowledge may be. I'll be glad to be one of the participants in that because i have my own theories about that but that is a whole nother ballgame and i didn't write the. Grail within two mind that mystery i wrote it for the practical understanding and use of sexual magic because everybody else that has some handle on that seems to be bent on secrecy, and the cat is out of the bag so to speak.

58:34 You don't have to do anything to be curious about it and you don't have to do anything to hear stories from a person who has engaged with these things in their life and has stories to tell. And so what you know i appreciate you being candid and blunt n writing this book and being able to talk about the things you talk about, And you've certainly live your life to the fullest and before i cut loose remind people where they can get the book and the other work that you have out there that we might want a plug. Well i mentioned it i have some stuff upcoming which includes a book working title is saucers and sorcerer's who i don't know if that will be the actual title that isn't up to me but,

59:21 That basically is a diary that I kept in the 1970s and 80's of the younger generation at that time, of ufologists. Of which moi was one and i think there is too little attention given to people involved in magic and occult and ufology and cryptozoology and parapsychology And you don't want to people magazine sort of approach but you do need to know the participants because if i'm correct they become part of the mystery itself. Always the case you can see that with hell year thats one of the reasons i am so big on that particular series because

1:00:13 They're definitely a co-participant in the synchronicities that they're following. And I don't know that they started out to be that, but it obviously became the case. So Saucers and Saucers under whatever name will be out at some near future point. I think the book Dr Randolph's Magic Elixir is in print? My book on the hermetic brotherhood of light which was originally published by a swedish publisher for reasons best forgotten. But has been out of print for a long time and i am told by my enthusiastic publisher is either back in print or will be back in print shortly,

1:00:54 And you can get a copy now of the original edition from one of the used book people for a ridiculous price, which I get nothing. So wait for this one folks! The Complete Write-Up Memphis is out there – I mean it's had its day but people who would be interested in the ceremonial aspect to this stuff It's there. And I will mention where there is in a moment, and then there is The Complete Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts which keeps having if you don't believe in reincarnation you got to believe in reincarnation now because that book keeps lapsing and then there's a new torrent of people who discover it. You know? I don't know how long that will last but keep them coming! Finally what we've been talking about The Grail Within

1:01:46 Again, I tried to keep the book tasteful but I also tried to make it candid. And I hope I struck the right combination there but the only way for you to check is to buy the book which you can get from all of the usual online outlets Book Depository Barnes & Noble or most quickly would be from Amazon and they're all under the imprint of The Celestial Lodge of Sirius Press Well, now the one you didn't mention is God never does the same thing twice which I understand is about General Patton meeting the Golem?

1:02:26 Well, there's a section about that but I never mentioned that book anymore and i've even asked my publisher to take it out of circulation which I believe the reason being the title. It's like I tried to avoid using the title Bishop not because the position which are regarded as a gregoric is not important but because people take it to mean some specific religious connection And having seen what happened with salima becoming a religion when i got involved i thought it was a philosophy of life. I don't want to pin that on,

1:03:09 something that I think is not what i'm trying to say. I think the egregore belongs to all kinds of traditions and it depends on how you manifest so I use alternative terms for that, and I don't use the word consecration in a present day sense. I use the term empowerment because that speaks To my particular approach, whereas some people if it's you know if it has religious connotations. For them which is fine then it would be a consecration or ordination depending but I don't see this as a religious thing at all I mean I have.

1:03:52 moderate views on religious matters. Reform Judaism is my cult, which it's not a cult. And I mean mostly it's doing good deeds and making the world a tiny bit better Well, there you go. Yes I certainly think no one should have a monopoly on magic or the mechanisms and techniques to improve one's life and you shouldn't have to pay for that either it seems to be part of the natural order of the world and it should be accessible as such so I agree with you there but right on man! I really learned a lot from the book It was fun to talk to you again take care out there keep fighting the good fight

1:04:36 I'll do my best how to leave this gracefully y'all by the books hair that works i grew up in missouri so that resonates. Awesome will take care of it have a good night you too bye bye and there is people the train goes in the tunnel we really went for with this one You know, the last time Alan was here and we focused on The Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts it was a really good interview if you ask me. That work did more to weave UFO's and quote-unquote aliens in with the occult and summoning and ritual than really any other work so I hold him and that book up in high regard And when I was approached with the rerelease of The Grail Within...I thought well sure why not?

1:05:30 Also, we just had another episode where our guest mentioned briefly that sex magic is the central secret of secret societies and Freemasonry. I want to say it was Marty Leeds but i am kind of drawing a blank But that was like a cracking open Of the door to this idea And then Alan's publisher reached out with this pitch and really We blew the door wide open on that idea so It all seemed really fortuitous Especially at a time when I was trying to put out content with a lot of other things going on, like that big trip. So it was an easy yes for me! Of course if you caught the Chris Rock slap comment... This was recorded the morning after the Oscars Obviously several weeks have passed but i needed to have enough material To cover my trip and not be scrambling when I got back And sex magic seemed like a pretty timeless topic wouldn't ya say?

1:06:30 It was a little tough to stay focused on the material in this interview, but I kept trying to bring it back. You guys know how i do and some people aren't gonna like this one...I'm pretty sure of that But there shouldn't be anything wrong with exploring sexuality or magic or both with good intentions Obviously no one's talking about abuse here Everyone is a willing participant And I shouldn't even have to add a list of the conventional caveats Besides, the people who don't need them will just be rolling their eyes and be sick of hearing these things. And the people who do need caveats and disclaimers... Well they've already made up their mind that they hate this so it is what it is! I'm curious about secrets, I'm curious about magic, and I guess I'm curious about how sexual energy can be used for magic? It's not really an endorsement or a recommendation for you to do this stuff

1:07:29 But I've always enjoyed listening to the stories of people who have had a wild life in one way or another. And to me, that should be fine! To just be curious and interested Have you ever heard Freeway Ricky Ross telling his stories about selling crack for the government in... The LA ghettos? It's interesting Doesn't mean YOU should sell crack for the goverment in L.A ghettos but here is a question for ya Let say in the context of the right sexual experience You meditate Concentrate on your aim, as does your partner. You cycle that energy you do the rhythmic breathing together and it's a very intense energetically potent session and the last thing you need to do to take in all this energy towards that aim that is clearly important to you and your partner is to both consume the mixture of fluids Who's doing it?

1:08:26 I definitely think it's a little funny that i know all straight guys are going to get very squeamish about that and women too if you end your sexual experience by scooping up your own load and eating it imagine the horror on a woman's face who wasn't expecting that. And, I imagine the consuming of those joint fluids by both partners happens so rarely that if it was the key to manifesting all your dreams, would anybody know? Maybe that's what the initiatory orders are for. Ease you in slowly! And how badly do you want your dreams?! If you really want to manifest that new job or a new house or you need something to go just right... Do you set your wife down and say listen so I heard about this thing

1:09:26 It's like on one hand, I can understand the process and the energy and what is being described. And see how it could have some real potency to it. On the other hand... How many people are going let the awkwardness of all stand in the way of things you want or need most? Answer almost everybody! But its interesting to hear about right?! And didn't mean to mock that process when made that comment about the spirit saying you gotta get badass but thats also kinda funny to me And of course it requires mental training and practice as Alan was trying to be very clear about. But if the process is, think about the thing you want like finding an affordable homestead in Texas and then whatever sexual thoughts pop into a guy's head become the way to get that thing It's like very convenient isn't it? You get to manifest two desires with one stone or something like that

1:10:26 Maybe manifesting desires are pretty easy for certain spirits and they just want to see the humans bumble around. But yes, Alan said a few things that I know are gonna make some people out there wince. I hope that they can cut around those things and find something valuable or at least interesting to take away from this. I even had a bit of a reaction to The Eugenicists' comment in the second hour. I can let a lot of things go without cutting in But I did feel like you guys would beat me up pretty bad if i didn't step in there. I get his point overall, but there are still aspects of morality that I consider pretty timeless. But many people will get away with whatever their times will allow so gotta watch out! Either way unexpected topic I'm sure and be glad that Alan dances with the shadow self so you don't have to. Personally I am very much into unexpected topics

1:11:21 Because lately, as a consumer of media and podcasts it just seems like every week has a big story. And then I have to hear 1,000 different takes across the various news shows that I listen to right on down to the comedy podcasts that I like! First it was COVID and all its subtopics, then Russia-Ukraine. Then the Will Smith slap. Then the Johnny Depp trial. Then Elon behind Twitter... Now this week it's abortion rights! And that's honestly every freaking show or person I follow! I find myself with some downtime and start cycling through stuff I like and it's just 14 different takes on this stupid Johnny Depp trial or what Elon is going to do with Twitter

1:12:03 It's just theme of the week after theme of the week and it's really annoying to me. So luckily we have a format here where yes, some things are too big and on-theme not talk about like Russia Ukraine in the Big Covid Op but we can dodge this other shit and talk about stuff nobody is talking about Andy Warhol Peruvian Karandismo traditions And sex magic I like it because I'm really sick of story of the week stuff Its' a big world out there Let get more creative right? Anyway, in Hireside news the big thing is that we finally have something solid for the Hireside Chats Rune Soup crossover event. If you are fans of Gordon and I and you want to hang out with us together it is the first time we've ever done an event And even better It's completely free! But it is only open to members and you know if you don't like that sorry

1:12:59 But our members are important to us. We talked about this a lot and really we just had such a hard time nailing down a venue in Austin or San Antonio I talked to probably two dozen places and it was always one issue or another All we really needed was a stage, two microphones 200 chairs and food & drink We had one brewery that was looking pretty good but everybody would have to stand And it was capped at 90 people So when it costs us both, say a thousand bucks to get there and get a room for two nights and to rent the brewery itself cost two grand. Then if we charge 90 people $40 that's only 3600 bucks! And that is just one example but the math kept not working out unless we charged 50 bucks or more... ...and that didn't feel right really so we made it more casual and its essentially a meetup

1:13:54 but I'm still trying to make a part of it me and Gordon with microphones, and we take questions from you guys because i think that's more fun overall. But either way the important thing is that it's free! And I'm really psyched about it Now if you're interested in going, it's gonna be in Austin Texas on June 25th on Gordon's birthday. And if you're a plus member who wants to go just log into the website and click the big banner at the top of the page I put up there this morning that will take you to the form where you can get on the guest list and yes! You can bring up two or four friends. I've already heard from people who are traveling pretty far away for this which is humbling

1:14:34 But hey, make it a nice break from life. Take the weekend and the event is free at least right? And we also have an event specific telegram group you can join to start talking to other people who will be there and get any updates that we might need to give you guys along the way but we got food drink and me and the Tasmanian Devil himself! Because the members already support us it's just a big thank-you in a good time So again, log on to the higher side chats dot com. Click the banner, fill out the form and you're on the guest list. The event doesn't have a hard limit per se, but if it gets up to a certain number we will have to pump the brakes so please get in early if you want to go and join that telegram for the updates also Gordon is doing some workshops today before and day after I think so check his website for those details or ask in the Telegram group. I'm sure people will be very helpful

1:15:30 And with that, big thanks to Alan for another great interview. In the second hour for Plus People today we got into some pretty wild stuff. The Gnostic Mass and the Eucharist Dwindling membership in initiatory orders The power of those sexual fluids Sigil sex magic vs traditional methods Solo sex magic Tornado talisman tales and a pretty wild section about the star child ritual and people who Alan knows were born under those protocols. You gotta support the stuff you like, and it's even better when they give ya more content for that support! And that's what we do around here independent & sponsorship free I hope to see you guys at the first plus member meetup slash first higher side suit meet up maybe make it a thing let's see how goes

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