Topic: Simone Plante

The conversation turns to Simon Shack and his "September Clues" documentary, which posits that the planes on 9-11 were CGI. While acknowledging the suspicious media backgrounds of many witnesses, Andrew Johnson expresses skepticism toward Shack's total dismissal of physical evidence. Johnson shares his own research analyzing 500 first responder accounts, noting that only a small percentage actually reported seeing a plane.

The host reflects on Simone Plante’s perspective from the book Encounters, which suggests that human consciousness is a vessel for a "superintelligence" trying to expand. The discussion also touches on Jacques Vallée’s interest in Rosicrucianism, despite claims from other researchers that the Rosicrucian manifestos were originally a 17th-century hoax or parody.