Andrew Johnson | 9/11, Cold Fusion, & Controlled Opposition

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00:46 Well, well, well. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood from the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and along with many of you listening 9-11 became a seminal event in the creation of the kind of person I turned out to be my It might have taken some years to recognize it, but the event taught many of us just how sophisticated and coordinated narrative control can be and that the media when it comes down to it really is just PR for The Big Machine acting as some sort of counterbalance. And when we went deeper, it taught us about predictive programming, symbolism, numerology, and ritual. It introduced many of us to the very term false flag and the realization that they happen much more often than anyone thought

01:23 It also showed us how brazen the bloodlust of the Controller class can be, and how no amount of death and destruction is too much if it serves their globalist agenda and justifies the jumpstart of an ever more invasive digital surveillance-accepting fear based society. But for some like those who have taken time to unpack Dr Judy Wood's seminal text Where Did The Towers Go? It goes even further still, and 9-11 also reveals the hidden hand of a shadowy network somewhere that lords over and aggressively suppresses all knowledge of exotic energy technologies outside the carefully crafted mainstream quarantine. Well today's guest Andrew Johnson is just one such person he's actually a good friend and colleague of Dr Judy Wood and has produced two books of his own titled 9-11 Finding The Truth and 9-11 Holding The Truth

02:10 breaking down exactly why she's so right and documenting a hell of a lot of controlled opposition. It seems like you can tell a lot about a person by their response to the actual evidence But as for Andrew's background, he was born and raised in Yorkshire where he had a UFO sighting at around age 10. He studied computer science and physics at Lancaster University in the 80s worked in software engineering full-time from time of graduation till about 2009. He also worked part time as a computering & technology tutor for The Open University He began intensely researching the UFO topic and disclosure project in 2003, and two years later set up his own website checktheevidence.com which is still going strong and is chock full of amazing documentation on several subjects we love around here well worth a night or two of exploration he's also the author of a few other books like Climate Change & Global Warming Exposed Finding The Secret Space Program Removing Truth Protective Layers

03:10 Secrets in the Solar System, Gatekeeping on Earth acknowledged a perspective on the matters of UFOs, aliens and crop circles and the Earth but not as we know it in exploration. Going deep and spilling some tea, the 9-11 truth champion hidden energy highlighter and disinfo agent exposer Andrew. Welcome to The Higher Side! That's the best most comprehensive introduction I've had Greg so that's fantastic thank you very much of course i don't need to say anything else because i can just go now because you've got it all right there i think yeah so thank you very much for inviting me i'm flattered and honored by that thanks a lot

03:47 Of course, I really like to jump in and kind of get us a little further down field than some other interviews start off. And this is a serious pleasure. I like to tell the audience how guests come to be on the show. And this started with me listening to an interview of Bob Grenier and when he went over all this history of cold fusion technology, alternative energy suppression, I wanted to hear more about it. The next thing that came across my screen was a presentation slash interview that you guys did together almost four hours And I was sold, I got in touch and here we are. As you know, I had Dr Judy Wood on years ago and when I'm asked about 9-11, I do say that I think she has the best research on it and is the only one looking at the physical evidence that they worked so quickly to remove from the scene. Her book is just the best that I know of but what I've learned from you is that the biggest secret

04:48 They aggressively protect is knowledge of the technology that actually brought those buildings down and that includes. Like the nine eleven truth movement and most of the groups absolutely in just a sort of going to that little bit, you know doctor what may have said on your program i'm mad about interview but it was quite a few years And she may have said do you think they forgot to plan a cover up in relation to nine eleven is of course. She used to say that i love miss a very good point and, no i think i wrote something in the box like what the cover up as evolved you know it had to evolve it, those people come into it and look today and found out more on its like he's been strategically planned so that they reveal things

05:38 or that they're kind of forced into revealing things at certain points really, I think. Because of people like us actually finding the evidence saying look the only thing you can say about this is it's true and obviously a lot of people want to say that Dr Wood's book is a theory It's not a theory! It's actually review of evidence That evidence shows... The only explanation for that evidence Is there was some type of energy effect going on And she was saying now as early 2004 I'm not in touch with her that. And she got a lot of heat for talking about directed energy weapons initially. And then the Steveney Jones character who was involved in cold fusion research back in the 80s, he came out with this story about thermite and then he described that Dr Wood's research was talking about space beams or beam from space or ray beams from space you know? I saw all of that unfolding. I was sort of a ringside seat to all of that and that's what my books are about

06:37 And I'll give a little bit of background on that to expand on the instruction is, you know you mentioned that I work for the Open University which is all courses are correspondence courses and we fortunately don't really meet our students anymore since COVID. I did meet the students before COVID and I used to give the odd lecture about once a month because it's mainly correspondence courses that we did well as correspondence course at the university I'm so because i'm not a professor and doctor not phd don't have any advanced degrees. You know i was regarded as a scholar quote unquote that's how i got into the scholars for nine eleven truth that was part of the reason why they let me in, but even better than their own rules to like me and then by two million is a full member and i'm not a professor or anything on dot not done have it you know i'm just a tutor

07:27 I'm marking the session work and i get tutorials on that's it really don't have to do research for the open university, no research i've done. His private research, you know, in the books and that none of it's sponsored by the OU. Just to jump in here when it comes to being brought into that group if I recall from a previous interview of yours they reached out to you? I think it was Steven Jones reached out to you and he said hey we want to make you a full member To me now having learned everything I learned that were going to talk about That seems like

08:03 kind of a co-option like, oh this guy is on that page. The page that we don't want anyone on let's bring them into our group it helps our group get credibility and then we will tell people what the narrative is and Andrew Johnson's name is within our group so he must endorse the perspective that we're giving and yes I just think this is like it's kinda tangled up but this is how disinformation works Just to remind people, Dr. Judy Wood's book I got right here it is all about the physical evidence and when i interviewed her she was very coy about well what technology would do this who did it she's like I'm not even getting into that yet we're looking at the wreckage on the day

08:44 which no one wants to talk about really. And the fact that there's no seismic impact measured from the falling of these buildings, there's a lot of anomalies in the behavior of the metals objects fused together images that show parts of the building nowhere near the impact point that are just crumbling on their own. The spire which she has highlighted it's like on a lot of big buildings they'll have a radio tower or something while this tower on top, totally antenna you could say. Not even touching the area where the planes hit it dustifies as it's falling I mean these are all the things that she is looking at that you saw just not a lot of other people are highlighting and I even took a screenshot of a key from The Complete Understanding Of Happening Surrounding The Event Is the title of it that you and Bob were going over but it is a key that has melted

09:42 And it's like this kind of stuff is all over the scene. Why would there be a melted key on the ground because a couple of planes hit a building or that there was a controlled demolition? Now, these are the things that the 9-11 groups won't talk about. The nanothermite argument My understanding is that if that were true, it would light up like a sparkler because that is a material that creates a lot of light and that didn't happen. I mean, let's just jump to Stephen Jones because he is kind of the guy when anyone looks at what this might've been. They say well it's nanothermite because this guy Stephen Jones did a big analysis and sent it off to the lab and they have these little round iron spheres and some chips, some chip parts of nanothermite that are unignited and that's open-and-shut case.

10:39 Well, I guess pick it up there and talk to us about why maybe that isn't the case or what is just so suspicious about Stephen Jones and what he failed to mention when he was doing this analysis. Yeah, you made some obviously very key points there in the book. I described how I was taken in by this thermite narrative initially for several months, maybe even as long as a year. The light thing, that's a big one on the heat from thermite For those that don't know, thermite is an incendiary and it's a combination of iron oxide and aluminium powder. And then you put in a hot fuse and you ignite it. In fact I think sparklers are used on fireworks they're a form of thermite and it's very hot

11:28 produces a white or yellow glow, normally yellow. And look at what the World Trade Center was made of! It was made of steel girders which have iron oxide on them if they've been stood for 30 years in air and the exterior was an aluminium alloy So you have the component for thermite actually as part of the building's construction. So, they claim to have found unreacted thermite there? Well yeah, because that is what buildings are essentially made off or much of them were. They claimed it was not that because the thermite was tagged and all this. And then as you mentioned, they came out with this nano-thermite narrative and

12:06 Then it was paint on the night and made this more still quite rich gauges still going around quoting this information. Yeah you did a great job that's my story with steven e jones who is business from bringing young university is this physicist, he was retired on full pay you took early retirement make it gave him full pay he made this claim that Molten aluminum is silvery in appearance at all temperatures and daylight conditions. That's false, as Dr Wood showed from a basic physics perspective. Indeed if you make aluminum molten it will be silvery but then if you continue to heat up to 1000 degrees 1200 degrees 1500 degrees Celsius It will glow orange just like other metals do As part of the blackbody radiation

12:56 It's to do with that. Dr Wood showed that to her student, Dr Michael Zeeber and not long after they put that web page up and Michael Zeeber was involved with Dr Judy Wood when he started a 9-11 truth group on the campus at Clemson University I think it was couple of months after that He was shot and killed in a street mugging in Minnesota And you know Dr Wood doesn't like to talk about this obviously is very troubling indeed There was this curious cryptic email from jones after this event where they weren't directly referring to. That event but there was something in the emails that we don't want some we can do it again i think you were some posting on the scholars forum or something, it would something like this is a very strange sort of cryptic email

13:48 Jones was also involved in muon-catalyzed cold fusion in the mid 1980s, and he was responsible for a panel voting down the funding of the research of two chemists Martin Fleischman and Stanley Pons who came up with this cold fusion electrolysis process. In 1989 I think it was at the University and Jones was on the panel, after several months, and Ponson-Fleischman said that we got this anomalous heat out of this experiment.

14:25 We don't know where it came from and we're getting apparently evidence of nuclear radiation although they sort of play that down later on i didn't think you necessarily a new process. They weren't sure the light point but exactly steven e jones, i'm just calling paul palmer they coined the phrase cold fusion when it was kind of like bit of a clumsy phrase to physicists as far as physicists are concerned, and it's more accurately called low energy nuclear reactions. What takes place is you get a beaker of what's called heavy water deuterium oxide and you put in a palladium and I think vanadium electrodes into it

15:07 Electrolysis means the breakdown by electricity. So you can do this at home, if you get a nine volt battery and you get two wires that you put those wires into some salt water and connect the wire to the battery and you'll see bubbles of hydrogen coming off that's electrolysis. And then the hydrogen is in and coming out of the water. And their version of it, Pons & Blythens are basically a fancy version of that using lithium hydroxide with deuterated water, which is three neutrons in the nucleus. They were getting these weird effects under certain conditions and they didn't get them all the time. This created this great furrow because we've got this excess heat." In other words, they put 100 watts into their experiment say – it may not have been a hundred watts just another figure from the air – and they might get 120 watts of heat coming out of the electrolysis vessel or something like that. There were big arguments about this

16:03 and said, oh you know this can't be reproduced. But John Bocris, this renowned chemist at Texas A&M University his team reproduced it and they got tritium. Tritium is this radioactive substance as well it's a radioactive form of hydrogen and That's a very important sort of fingerprint of these cold fusion experiments. You either get it or you don't. Broxley's team got it in about, I think he said about 10,000 times the normal background concentration that we find just in any environment. This was a real indication there was some type of nuclear process going on

16:39 In the pond of life experiments in nineteen eight tips so it's very peculiar when we saw these links we weren't aware of jones is working cold fusion initially i followed cold fusion back in the nineteen nineties. I haven't finished university by then but i wasn't aware of steve new jones role i didn't want to wear this panel until that i talked about, Jones was guiding the cold fusion research away from ponds and fishman's experiments essentially which is what is sent to you the same role he played with doctor woods researching nine eleven, who's guiding the nine eleven truth as a way from these energy effects in the doctor would have discovered.

17:16 And the one thing that she did also discover was a bit of research, so it was tritium. It's also discovered I think in some water that were sampled from the World Trade Center 6 and that was about 50 thousand times the normal concentration or 10 thousand times –I can't remember all the figures– where the details go book. So there is clear indication that there is some sort of nuclear process going on during the destruction at the World Trade Center And my feeling is that this is why they came out with the story of nuclear devices in addition to this thermite story. There was another kind of rogue element saying, no it wasn't thermite Mr Jones, it was Dmitri Karlozov and he said it was a nuclear bomb and there were nuclear demolition pre-planted nukes mini nukes micro nukes

18:06 neutron bombs we have several variations in i documented those in my book it was edward and then d came out with a new theory in two thousand seven. Let me have jeff crazier in twenty twelve saying the same thing when we had luckily had, high-end partner who's done a different version of that. He did that, I think in roundabout 2013-2014. There's been a couple of others... In this Heinz Palmer, he is a scientist but I forget his background once I read that about him and kind of lost interest in what you were saying because I knew it was bogus. But again they had to bring in the thermite because they needed to explain this strange light that we're seeing an orange light just before the destruction of the towns Jones drew attention too

18:52 And Dr. Wood thought that could again also be an energy effect, this sort of orange glow could be an energy effect. She talked about these Cheetos in the book which are like these orange little glowing artifacts so she developed this vocabulary to describe some of these phenomena but of course Jones was trying to say it was all effects of molten metal you know and that this went on on and we had to explain why it wasn't molten metal which we did And they even have one picture of these firemen looking down into a hole, saying that they were looking into a pool of molten metal caused by this thermite reaction. But as people pointed out and they were bending over this hole and had they really been that close to this 2000 degree metal it would have scorched the skin off their faces because there are only like three four or five feet away from it and looking into it. Then you could see actually if you cropped this picture

19:50 And the picture shows that the firefighter has a torch in his back pocket. And it's the same color as what they're looking into, so it looks like what they've done is put a big searchlight down into the hole and then illuminate this hole but you couldn't see the torch or the search light. You could just see reflection from it and this was sort of night shot so that it would expose for their faces sort of thing. So that was all a scam Yes these are those little details that your books are just great at nailing everyone like you catch them every turn and it does seem like they're. Just like limited hangout operations it's like you can know that the government did this we're okay with that you can know that the whole interactions in the middle east were based on a lie and there was a false flag where okay with that but you cannot discover, the secret technology that did this you cannot

20:44 come to the doorstep of the breakaway civilization that has this technology and suppresses it. I've said for a long time that the conspiracy community, let's call it they need to have a lot more focus on this secret energy stuff because that is what is the most dangerous you can talk about false flags all day but people actually working in the lab with this stuff When they uncover something, bad things happen or good things. If you consider getting a lot of money and being told never to talk about it as a good thing but just to bring Bob up again so Bob for people who don't know he is the founder of the Martin Fleissman Memorial Project. He is a cold fusion researcher and you guys kind of came together You just told us about Stanley Pons and Martin Fleissman I had a bunch here from the Wikipedia page but it describes yes The Cold Fusion they achieved

21:36 using electrolysis of heavy water, using a palladium electrode producing excess heat. There's a lot of debate on if it's real or not but to find out that this Stephen Jones character going back to 1989 was kind of like you say distracting away from their work and trying to put people into other other intellectual cul-de-sacs or dead ends is so telling that then he reemerges when the technology is used, ding ding ding and as the guy who's getting all the attention to say it wasn't that. The stuff I've got on my resume was this other stuff So that is very curious but that stream you did with Bob I think the best line, single line summary I took out of those four hours was

22:23 Quote, Dr. Judy Wood came from an engineering point of view and ended up concluding that 9-11 can be explained by the work of John Hutchinson and Kenneth Shoulders And it also explains cold fusion I Bob came from cold fusion and said 9 11 Can be explained by John Hutchison and Kenneth's shoulders after four years of studying cold fusion So you come at it or you know, you and Judy water on one side he's on the other but you both are came to a conclusion that this is all very related and those two names have been mentioned on the show before John Hutchinson and Kenneth shoulders but

23:00 For the people who haven't heard those names, give us a little bit more context for who they are and help flesh out that statement if you could. Okay for sure and I might mention as well that when Bob and i first met we met in London after we'd sort of established contact via the internet and we went to this pub bar to grab a bite to eat and I've got a picture of this... We looked at the menu and on the menu was a 9-11 burger It was really strange, it's really weird. Synchronicities! Yeah exactly so Bob has done some great work in exposing some of this stuff and he is one of the few people that is brave enough to talk about Dr. Woodsbough and I know he's trying to bring it to the attention of some of the scientists that he has been liaising with or many of them he has been liaising with but going back to your question about John Hutchison this is one of more obscure energy topics if you will

23:57 john hutchison he's a canadian experimental physicist doesn't have any advanced degrees is one of these people that seem to have an intuitive feel. Do you experiment i need trying to reproduce the work of nikola tesla back in nineteen nineteen seventies, reduce energy effects are some kind like this wireless transmission power for example is one thing that has worked on me nineteen thirty. 1920s so john was looking at this and got a lot of old army surplus equipment radar equipment microwave generators that sort of thing. I need to get where is initial lab walls and then he was setting up an area way out,

24:49 either a Van de Graaff generator, which generates an electrostatic field or Tesla coil, which serves the similar purpose. Then he was involving microwaves and magnetic fields. He also said that he used low-power radioactive source. With that mix of energies, he was able to create effects such as levitation so when he turned the frequency up and down with his microwave generator or radar equipment and buried the intensity of the electrostatic field or whatever, he would see these samples levitating. And you would see metal bending but without heat and you'd reach in and touch the metal sample and it was cool some samples disappeared

25:39 Now you might say, well that's wasn't he making out? Well he has got hours and hours of film on this. And one time we had 500 pounds of anomalous metal samples and if you did that interview with Bob He may have shown some of the samples that Bob acquired and tested. And he looked at these under a scanning electron microscope I was there with him when he looked at some of these samples initially They are very strange and they were tested in Max Planck Institute in the 1980 as well And John was investigated by the Canadian government back in 1980s, and an MP called Chuck Cook said that his report was classified. And he couldn't give a copy to John. Sorry just add context to that I actually grabbed that from your website which you know you have on the menu bar evidence and it's just pages and pages of really interesting documents that anyone who has been in this game for awhile would be interested to see

26:37 A couple maybe two dozen FOIA requests about the Hutchinson effect and they all kind of come back. There is no record of this stop asking us about it, but then the last one it says that they asked this particular guy you'll have to give me the details in name because I can't find the image right now but they say We asked him and he said for sure that it doesn't exist. He said that this copy was destroyed, and then the guy who sent it to you wrote in the margins what? Like he's basically admitting that report existed at a time not that they don't know anything about The Hutchinson Effect so that was very telling I just wanted people to know that I have seen that that you're referencing

27:15 Yeah, John was very good at keeping documents. He also kept a lot of the videos when the news organizations came to see him and watched these samples levitating and things sometimes he was able to reproduce it bit like the cold fusion you know He was able to get the effects sometimes, not others. So some people would show up and nothing would happen so he's just a hoaxer you know? And this is what you read on the internet but yeah...so he was producing all these effects with samples levitating disappearing melting strange fires and he blogged about this as well and that's how Dr Wood discovered this because she'd seen these effects listed the ones that I've just described on her blog and she said wait a minute

27:55 I've seen evidence of that within 9-11, evidence from the destruction of the World Trade Center. And that's when they established contact now going back to what you're saying about the classification and so forth there was a document I was sent by researcher called Brian or I forget his name it's in my book but he was based in Scotland He was interested in Hutchison effect which was mentioned in a book called The Electric UFO by Albert Budden and in a chapter called the Poltergeist Machine. So, the Hutchinson effect where these samples are flying around, you know, Budden likened it to the effects seen in poltergeist incidents where you have these spirits allegedly levitating tables and making cups and saucers fly around in people's houses and smash against the wall. John Hutchison was visited in 1983 by Colonel John Alexander who was then working for Los Alamos National Laboratories

28:53 And he worked with John for four months, I think it was and saw what he was doing. But from what John told us, it appears that Colonel John Alexander was already familiar with the sorts of effects that John was producing which then indicates that they'd already got some version of that technology, that they had already got maybe some other black ops team or black budget program who's looking at this So he was already familiar with where these effects would occur. When John mixed together these various forms of energy, the way the effects would be seen and how they would manifest it seemed that Alexander was familiar with that. And in fact, John Hutchison was still friends with Colonel John Lyons-Andrews who got a lot of contacts from him. He's got a lot of contacts in the black world and in military programs. He openly admits to

29:43 We connected with john in two thousand and seven stroke to have my thing is early two thousand eight even you know this information given him by us that said what happened on nine eleven seems to have something to do the effects of your generator john i'm thinking some point forwarded back to john alexander. And he sent us back a response. And John Alexander just said, oh bullshit! That was his one word response which of course you know make that what you will we certainly didn't think it was bullshit and I think the evidence that we showed him was pretty compelling and indeed Dr Wood told me this story in which she retold in an interview with Dr Mike Yeadon couple weeks ago when she found this blog we looked at these effects we bounce their ideas around

30:31 And then we put it onto a web page on the Dr. Julian website now just insert there actually, people are familiar with Dr. Wood's website is drjudywoodwod.com that is currently not working because the domain name hasn't been renewed anyway if you go to doctor Judy wood the word doctor judy would calm its all there I've transferred it to that at the moment so it's d o c t o r judy wood dot com the full doctor word You can get it all there. All this I'm saying is there." We put that webpage up there, and it was November 2007. At the time we were still involved with this scholars group and this Jim Fett said

31:12 Professor Jim Fetzer, who is an extremely dodgy character I found out. She said oh Jim i've got this new page to show you and she said have you got time? And so yeah i've got a couple of hours so yeah i can look at it with you So she sent him this link to the new page that we created which summarized some of these effects that we've done the pictures from John Hutchinson and from The World Trade Center That page is still on the website by the way if anybody wants to find it I can't find it, just email me through check the evidence and i'll send you the link. So she sent him this link he says i'm just going down to my computer let's go get a cup of coffee i'll go down to my computer in the basement and he goes down he rings her back on skype we were using skype back then most of time for all this conversation

31:56 He opens the link and he looks at the page, because we haven't told him about the Hudson effect. And then says I've just got to make a phone call and then you have to go off immediately even though it had a couple of hours so i publicly stated that Jim Fetzer has some connection to the people that did 9-11. He's never denied that And that's a pretty serious sort of statement to make, isn't it? So. It is yeah the waters are very muddy and this is just also interesting so I was blown away by just reading that you have met John Hutchinson yourself Well, I haven't met him myself. Dr Woodhouse not me Okay i thought in the you described an interview that i thought you were present at that location as well As her yeah what happened was? I went to Washington Dc In 2008 and I met dr judy there we ended up going into a radio studio There it was ambrose lane's uh radio show in Washington DC on the pacifica network at the time

32:56 And then we, John Hutchin called in and we interviewed him by phone. So Judy went to see him when he was up in Vancouver I wasn't on that trip and then I met Judy but I've never met John myself Bob has Bob spent quite a bit of time. Bob Green's spent quite a big time with John so yeah sorry Okay and so I think a lot of people might have seen his videos it was kind of an early internet thing that went really viral and I was super impressed you can find naysayers saying that well he was just dropping things with a reverse mirror camera or they see something they think is a fishing line and

33:33 He says, no that's a wire used to deliver charge to the object that then floats or levitates. Which is exactly what T Townsend Brown was doing. T Townsend Brown had these demos of a UFO but they were all attached to a wire he's like now all we got to do is get this wire off and then the levitation will really work so you know you mentioned the wireless transmission of electricity in Recording something that is a hoax is one thing, but being able to talk at length about the science for hours and hours in dozens of interviews is a whole different thing. If he dropped a wrench with a mirrored lens and he dropped it and made it look like it was floating, he wouldn't be able to talk about the science of that when questioned so I find him to be extremely genuine

34:41 I haven't got an update on him in a long time. Is he still around? What is he doing?" Yeah, it's still around! Bob went to see him over a year ago now and Bob Greenew is doing a book on John Hutchison He's doing a book about his life. And he's still around, he still posts stuff... I know he had his YouTube channel taken down at one point. Right. I'm not sure what the reason was but you have hundreds of videos on there What i can say though is that there's another researcher Matthew Estafod who runs MathEasySolutions, MES is sort of his acronym really. He's on Telegram I think a lot what he did was he liaised with John and John sent him all his videotapes the two terabyte hard drive or something they got off John not video tape i got that wrong and MES has actually cleaned up these videos and you've got very high resolution copies and he made this 24 minute video and this was fairly recently MES did this

35:37 within the last year or so. And it's got all these levitation incidences on there, about 24 minutes where he highlighted the best bits kind of thing. So that's on YouTube and he's done a great job on that. The other thing that's really important in this story is that John submitted an affidavit. Now, the big difference between Jones and Gage and the Fetzer camp and Dr Wood is we submitted the evidence to court Dr what did i help to love that with that so i'm back when same way and that was in two thousand seven she have this case which is handle by attorney jerry lee part. I want morgan reynolds another research will that harsh who was looking at building seven of the time they submitted this in a court document,

36:28 And then later in 2008, John Hutchison he submitted an affidavit about his own work to back up what Dr. Wood was saying and the energy effect evidence. And that all went into court documents. This thermite evidence has never gone into a court document that's been submitted, gone through and read by a judge. They never submitted request for correction when the fact they did I tell lie they did mention request for correction to NIST, which was this body which produced the technical reports about the destruction of the World Trade Center in 2005. But they didn't mention thermite so Dr Wood talked all about the energy effects and evidence of directed energy weapons that was all in her request for correction. Jones & Co., they submitted an RFC and there's no mention of thermites There was a URL which had the word thermite in the URL but actually referred to some 1996

37:26 fire research or something. It wasn't their supposedly scientific paper that they... And of course, if they'd done that would have been fraud against the US government so that's why they left it out because they would have been committing an offense if they knowingly put that evidence in which was deceptive in that document and that's all in my book. This is what people overlook you know? The problem here I mean if we may just insert one thing here People are not detail oriented and doctor what am i so very detailed oriented because. Dr what she's a scientist in bay because my background is software engineering, encoding computer program you got one tiny detail wrong your program will work or it won't work at all or properly have to get to the detail

38:14 Get your program working and fix problems people involved finding all of that can you tell me what's wrong i had years of experience in my mind is like. Pardon the pun program to work like that i'm gonna go after the details on good a good view i'm gonna be real pedant i'm going to be annoyingly pedantic, right well not unlike That's where the devil is. And so many people are just too busy to do this work, but if you sit down and read one of your books... I mean, I've read them both. It's like wow! This took hours and hours and years and years to put all this together. This is really the chronicle of the whole situation. And this is another thing I wanted to throw in here but you also had interactions with Simon Schack, the guy behind the 9-11 documentary September Clues

39:02 You even lended him server space at one time. Well, September clues is pretty amazing. He kind of popularized the CGI planes idea but he goes on to show that so many of the major witnesses were plants and that the top 10 or so pieces of 9-11 footage that we see circulated According to him, they all came from people who happen to work in computer graphics or media. He shows them next to the footage that they have released because there's all these shots like they'll be the one where it's right below and then The plane goes overhead well That's something we've all seen There's all these different angles Well These People went on Media Tours showing their footage that they captured so They Have a little bit of

39:51 their name out there and a little bit of their history out there. So I don't know how deep he dug, but some examples he gives Devin Clark motion graphics animator for MTV comedy central Sean Adair at air film and productions with the tagline Consult us in the arcane art of digital media and visual effects. Interesting, Evan Fairbanks works for KSK studios creative programming solutions for TV interactive and multimedia Lou Cochran Canadian 3D artists and it goes on and on so this would really be interesting if it was true. We think about crisis actors a lot more now in certain events than we did back then, but I know you've kind of soured on Simon Schagg maybe he's a bit of a character but how much stock do you put in that work in general and were the planes real or not? Do you think

40:43 Oh yeah, well thanks for bringing that up because it is another sort of twisty turny bit of the cover-up really. And I was taken in by Sam Shack much as i was taken in by the Jones and The Thermite argument and like you say that list that you gave... It's quite compelling! I must admit I haven't gone through and checked all those names and checked that he's reported on that accurately however I suspect that that IS accurate most people do what they said they did and have done But that in of itself, what does it prove about what we saw with the plain images? Does it prove that they were CGI?" Now a few of those people are probably just media people that were interested in current affairs. I think Evan Fairbanks was a videographer so is it really that suspicious that he would be taking a film of the events of 9-11? Maybe, maybe it is. Was it doctored in any way

41:40 Maybe he did somehow doctor the video footage, but that footage that he took what did they actually film and from when you look at that angle of what was actually filmed and What do people report and you try it? And what do people hear as well and use collate that information That much more confusing picture emerges. I'm I did this study in 2007 And I say it's really the only original bit of 9-11 research that i personally had done. Dr Wood did all the research in the book and Morgan Melz did most of the research on plane crashes and stuff, but what I did was took these 500 accounts which were published on the New York Times website from first responders so these are firemen and emergency medical technicians

42:31 They were on the same on the ground you know when that stuff was coming down and the events of unfolding i wanted to find out how many of them have actually seen a plane. How many in her to play i went through these accounts with her, tool and retool to find where they talk about playing i found out where they were said we're on west street or vizier street whatever i wrote this all down you know took a few days in think about week or something, i made all these figures and out of the hundred and seventeen people i think only twenty percent saw.

43:11 i need twenty percent so play in a few of them said why didn't know that planes are involved in this or two or three sad, i don't know the plane to involve me until i saw on news when i got home. Really peculiar and then something did report seeing a plane something they didn't hear anything among guys he was under the fireball looking up and they heard no sound think carrying something may look at this bible miss they had no sound So, how do you account for this? Yeah. It's stranger than people remember for sure. One other thing I wanted to throw out is this idea of levitation on 9-11. Obviously if it relates to John Hutchinson's work and his main thing is levitating metal... Well there's a slide in that presentation with Bob where you showed several cars that are overturned in the wreckage and

44:07 And no one really thinks to ask why the cars would be upside down. You think a car could be smashed? We'll go to that next, because that's a very important point and that was one of the key things that Dr Wood came up with when she was studying the Hutchinson effect but I just want to say a little bit more about the plane story, the Simon Shack stuff so when you look at these accounts what did people actually see? Did they see a plane? Was there a plane really there? Some people did report seeing a plane and described it quite accurately And if these planes were inserted by CGI, as Simon Shack claims into the news broadcasts then we didn't think that if you filmed these planes from different angles they would all line up because it would almost be an impossible task to do CGI which worked from all the angles at 9-11 was filmed from. I think there were 56 videos that

45:01 have the second impact, Flight 175 in them. And Richard D Hall did a study in 2012 where he took I think 26 of these videos which was filmed from like 26 different angles around the World Trade Center and overlaid them onto 3D Google SketchUp model and he's done this you can find this on Rich Planet website and all these videos pretty much matched perfectly So, CGI then it was some sort of amazing CGI that they must have done in 3D from all these independent people. Some of them were news broadcasts, CBS whoever thought but there were some just people with video cameras in their apartment who'd started to film the events after the first fireball appeared and so turns out that this was a perfect match

45:50 And then, for example, Simon Schacht claimed that all the video evidence of 9-11 was fake. He claimed that Judy Wood's book was unreliable because all she relied on was video evidence and that, of course is a lie. She doesn't rely on video evidence alone. Yes she uses some of that but she listened to witness testimony. She looked at seismic records. She looked at 40 000 photographs not just people either. She looked at witness accounts. She looked at weather data which we haven't talked about. You may have talked about with Dr Wood, so Simon Shack lied he lied about this if you're interested in the truth of 9-11 why would you lie about something like that? Why would you lie about dr Judy Woods book and so I became very troubled by this and so that's when i became suspicious for Simon Shack that he was again presenting a false story and then I think from there we can just go to Mark Conlon's research he runs up a blog called 911 planes research on Substac

46:49 He documented many anomalies with the plane stories and Simon Shack's research in particular. And I reposted a couple of Marks articles on my website, so without going into all that in great depth it looks like Simon Shack was another version of Steve Jones he came out with an alternative plausible narrative which disagreed with the government narrative but it was itself untrue we concluded overall that they use some sort of image projection technology and again is the tech in the technology so the planes were real planes they have the appearance of real plans and a word something which appeared in the sky. That many people could say,

47:31 this image projection technology is not perfect. So if you were stood in a certain place, you may see a slightly different thing which accounts for the difference perhaps and some people say in a bright plane, some sort of dark plane, some people seem to see different markings on the planes talking about flight 175. We have concluded that it was some sort of image projection technology that we used, a hologram if you will and that's certainly borne out by Dr. Wood's observation that 846, that's when the first hole appeared in World Trade Center number one I think, 846, that's when this dip in the Earth's magnetic field was at a minimum and that appears to be this discharge. So we think that holes in the towers were created by another usage of the directed energy in some other mode of operation

48:23 and then they use this image protection technology, and that's what they're protecting. And I've made this argument not Dr Wood that if you look at what's been happening with all the UFO disclosure over the last few years... You know they're now trying to get rid of the ridicule factor make it a more serious topic and there has even been comments made that its threat to aircraft air safety Well, let's just say for example you want to create the next 9-11 as it were. But what it is suddenly a flying saucer appears over the Burj Khalifa and blows apart as an Independence Day the film in 1994

49:00 That's essentially the same scenario as 9-11, but all you do is instead of projecting an image of a plane, you project the image of a flying saucer over the building and then you destroy it with the same technology that they destroyed at World Trade Center. And you've got your fake alien invasion. You know? That's what I've argued. Now, I argued that...and I showed the side by side comparison from Independence Day in the World Trade Center. The only thing that's different is on Independence Day they have got a flying saucer over the Empire State Building I'm in the world trade center they just got a plane which crash half an hour early order when it's the same as it looks the same you know very similar not the same obviously that's what they wanted the option to do.

49:39 You know, and there's other things that they've got about the project blue beam is what this is sometimes. You probably come across that. And Mark Conlon did a bit of research into that. I it's not Bluebeam. I haven't done much research into myself. So Simon Shaq he has connections to the Bin Laden family as well or his brother does. Oh my God! Yeah. Well yeah, that's a fake name Simon Shaq obviously is a pseudonym. Yeah. There you go You dig deep, you find it all. So with the planes? Yeah we know that the buildings did not fall because of the plane so the planes to me is somewhat irrelevant but you also have a curiosity as like well what happened we know the hole in the ground where flight 93 landed looks like nothing We know the hole in the Pentagon looks like nothing or a missile It doesn't look like a plane There were all these claims about

50:28 The plane literally could not make this maneuver without breaking apart in the air. This corkscrew maneuver, this guy who was trained definitely didn't have the expertise to do the maneuver so there were a lot of questions about how could these actual planes hit these buildings in this way? These ways and yeah they're unanswered questions but to say that They were an actual test case of project blue beam, of like a real hologram in the sky used. That's a bold claim I'm not discounting it or anything is just a bold claim and when you rewatch the footage and you're not in an emotional state and you watch the planes enter the building they do kind of just like melt into it like you would think a hologram would this is why people say CGI because that's a technology we know

51:18 but here's a technology we don't know. It's like, yeah that is the thermite of the situation it's like well this is kind of close there's close parallels yeah exactly oh man and I want to try to slide in the levitation stuff because I mentioned it you know this show does have a free and plus split at the hour which is about where we are but because of the John Hutchinson effect and levitation you then look at some of the evidence on 9-11 you see these overturned cars that don't make much sense And then it also ties into Kraub circles. We'll get into this deeper later, but there's people who say that when they visit Kraub circles to investigate them they feel a levitation effect including Freddie Silva who is a previous guest of mine I don't think we talked about that at the time but I consider him credible so there's connective tissue here There is an alternative physics and it is connected to a range of phenomenon and 9-11 is one major example and there are others

52:15 Talk to us a little bit about levitation involved on 9-11. Sure, so the most prominent account really is that of David Henshaw who was the photographer for the New York Daily News and he gives his account in an interview with Charlie Rose from October 2001, only a few weeks after the events. He had a broken leg at the time and he was taking photographs there on the scene then I think it Tower one was coming apart. He describes being levitated and carried a block, and he says held onto his camera lost his cell phone. You lost this page of it held on to his camera, and he was carried a block by this sort of like gravelly said it was so you were caught up in the dust cloud. So there was that account, And then there was the account of another guy that haven't got his name. And he said he was picked up physically and thrown against wall

53:14 I'm in people say oh andrew you know it now we did that just from the thermo you know it's a good goal this material coming down get this. Hey no just blow your way like tornado but problem with that is if you look at some of the trees which are on the path of best does the leaves still on the trees, and the trees are not flattened, and there's not much evidence of a strong breeze. So that takes away this idea that the strong breeze could have levitated people or indeed as you mentioned they're flipped over these cars. And there's even a fire truck with the tires pointing upwards in one of the pictures that you can see in the background so it wasn't just one, there were several cars which were levitated and flipped over. The picture that stuck in my mind most initially was the police car which was like over on its side

54:06 What the hell is that about? So the only way is that this again ties in with the Hutchinson effect where he's seeing how things flipping over, you know. And it was on a much larger scale on 9-11 what John Hutchinson did and that's why we saw it as pretty simple to us. Yeah I think that's just so impressive! And you share a lot of information on a wide range of figures in alternative media and the 9-11 truth movement, like we mentioned that seem to be plans to keep this secret. You give a lot of great examples where they intentionally cover this up. A great example from your book is architects and engineers for nine 11 truth. You got a letter from one of their donors who simply asked to have Richard gauge

54:52 presented with Dr. Judy Wood's work to get them to have a conversation and to have him comment on it, and this guy was removed from the donor list and his money returned to him but it goes a lot deeper than that I mean this is one example but it just seems like it's almost uh honeypot type operation to gather the names and information of those interested in the false flag idea, and then to segment them again those who are actually interested in Dr. Judy Wood's work and then remove them from the movement? Absolutely! And you can see that in their vetting guidelines I mean there was a guy that wrote a book about his involvement with The Architects & Engineers Group and I quote from that book it was available for a time as a free PDF and he includes a page of vetting guidelines because he was unhappy with how this group was operating that's why he left

55:45 reproduce the architect and engineers for nine lemon trees guidelines from about twenty twelve they have changed since then, roll on no i'm not paid to try reproducing my book. They have the betting guidelines say well you know when somebody applies to join the nine eleven i a nine eleven group. This volunteer vetting person needs to go on so they search engine search for the persons email address along with keywords such as ufo zionism reptilian, fuel things are listed in this betting guidelines thing and then there's only one person named in the whole of human history that they should back for you know this batting guidelines

56:26 And the only person in the whole of human history that's named as a keyword or two keywords to be searched for in association with somebody email address, so they're blocked from the group is of course Judy Wood. And that's explicitly in their vetting guidelines. So that right there to me tells you what that organization is for it is to cover up the research of Dr. Judy Wood. That's its sole purpose and not is also borne out by the fact Website domain name was a nine eleven truth was created around the time doctor what submitted her key term action. I'm not with the time we were the scholars group it's got to run out of steam so they need to reinvent something else which is the architect room i confronted richard gage who described

57:15 Dr. Woods book, she said of her book if she's going to write a book like that she is not practicing science, she is practicing witchcraft he actually said that in an interview with Ralph Wintero and I got the audio of that you know I confronted him with that in 2023 when I was invited onto a panel by Elsa Scheider at The Truth Summit and he just kind of... He said no I didn't say that No I didn't say that That's just a bald faced lie So what can you do with that? Nothing really. And I just wanted to go back to Stephen E Jones a bit because I have this information, but in terms of his bio he worked for a contractor for Los Alamos lab is technically correct. Yes, he worked for Los Alamos as well

58:03 Okay. He earned his bachelor's degree in physics magna cum laude from Brigham Young university and 73, and his PhD in physics from Vanderbilt university in 78 from 74 to 77 he conducted as PhD research at the Stanford linear accelerator center and postdoctoral research at Cornell university and the Los Alamos Menson physics facility. In December 2005, Jones was a founding member of Scholars for 9-11 Truth also in 2006, Jones became a founding member of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth and an editor of the Journal of 9-11 Studies." So it's not a large group of people we think about these organizations

58:46 especially architects and engineers. And we think about, oh thousands of architects and engineers have said those planes didn't take down those buildings. That's probably true like that's factually true but they don't go deeper into like well then what did? They might not necessarily know but this group is perpetuating a certain hypothesis or a certain narrative and they're using the credibility of all these professionals to do it A lot of great information. I know that you got to get out of here, I can't believe i had a guy on for two hours who's open to the hollow earth and we didn't even talk about it even though that's one of my things that I love to talk about! We could do another time if you want? I hope so! So this is the last one I want to ask you to kind of stick the landing here... You've got great work covering

59:31 crop circles, 9-11 fake terror events aliens and UFOs and alternative energy. But there is a subject that I think sits right in the middle of all those things. And I've seen you mention it with a sentence or two here or there but not to the degree that I suspect its involved. And that is The Occult what do you think? Yeah absolutely! I mean no I haven't...I don't feel like I can talk about it and its one of those areas where theres quite alot conflicting information But it's definitely a real thing. And I think, again, it has to do with manipulating the underlying fabric of reality. I mean, I'm going to touch on that a little bit in my upcoming book on consciousness but you cannot ignore things like numerology and I tell people about the numerology of the tales and even in my own life as well. My birthday is 2211. I was born exactly a year after the death of Kennedy. My name is Andrew Johnson

1:00:29 He was a president after Lincoln, wasn't he? Andrew Johnson. Another assassination. Yeah and then the World Trade Center towers we've got 110 stories 111 if you count the top floor it looks like an 11 it happened on 9-11. 9-11 was that happened in the first year of The New Millennium which is 2001 which is the Stanley Kubrick film The Millennium Hotel That the shape of that was based on the monolith in the 2001 film what's going on folks? You know and there's another good synchronicity that somebody told me about which kind of blew my mind Was this record that was released in July 2001 a group called you don't gonna believe this. I am the World Trade Center Oh, This is new to me and on an album

1:01:23 which was called Out of the Loop. If you look at the 11th track on the CD, it's called September. Oh man! Yeah I thought you were going to refer to that super tramp- oh yeah there is that one as well, thats in the book i put that in the book yes for people who haven't heard that that is just where the album cover is from the inside of a plane and the servers holding up a tray and outside the window you see the twin towers but yeah sorry then the name of the band I am the twinned. So right there, you've got the name of the place and you've got the date all encoded on that album which was released in July 2001 and you can check it out on Discogs. Right? There's just no limit to my fascination with those syncs between

1:02:09 pop culture and real world events. And it's always something conspiratorial, I think the occult is really there. I would urge you with your mind and the research you've done especially given your interest in the aliens thing find someone you trust do five dried grams of mushrooms or have a little salvia devonorum go on that journey. And when you talk to beings and your internal monologue is still intact and you have an experience with other intelligences in your own living room, you'll be like Like, I think this is what the alien thing is all about. Abductions? It's got to be closer to this than beans from Mars." To be fair, I do write a little bit about that in the Acknowledged book and I talk

1:02:50 how the alien abduction experiences are like shamanic experiences. I do mention that. Okay, i'm going to read that one! I haven't read that one but i'm going to and hopefully we can do this again We'll see uh...the kind of response we get but i think you're gonna be happy But this has been super enjoyable Anyone who wants to get sucked into all sorts of stuff should spend some time on checktheevidence.com I never knew about your website but you never stopped loading it up with amazing stuff and It's all there so I would just urge anyone to go even on just the evidence page of all the PDFs, really good stuff. But they're all free by the way so all the books are free in electronic format yes another service to humanity So give them the old pitch you know why we do these interviews i don't know if you have anything else to promote besides the books and the website but let them know what you're working on next all that good stuff thank you very much for the opportunity yeah so it'll say all the books are free download

1:03:46 You can get the paperbacks on Amazon as well, or Kindle versions are all there. I even did the Kindle audio synthesis thing so you could download the Kindle audio thing. I don't know how good it is but I think that's like $1.99 or something and I get a few quid off that. So yeah, I don't need the money financially, I'm quite solvent in everything. I'm coming up for retirement probably in the next few years having worked all my life I didn't want to know that but there it is. So i have a youtube channel check the evidence, i post updates on there just saying what i've been looking at and like you say right you referred to Richard D Hall any updates with him because he's in a bit of a bad situation and he's good friend and people know him

1:04:34 That's on youtube channel as well but once a month something like that i very sporadic i don't have a set time table. I have an email list of the evidence is free to join and post updates on about one someone for something anything that crops up this interesting related to what we've been talking about, i'm working on this book on consciousness trying to get it finished maybe i'll get it finished in the next six months who knows if im lucky Amazing. Well, good luck on that and hopefully we can talk about it when it does come out but uh Andrew real pleasure he's one of us people just a regular guy humble doing the hard work to try to get to the truth and if it goes to some taboo areas that's okay If you have to call out some people That's fine You know The Truth is The Truth So I appreciate your boldness And thank you for doing this I know you gotta get outta here But take care

1:05:24 Thank you very much, Greg. Thank you indeed and all the best for the festive season and everything. Uh thank you too! All right party people first interview of the year coming in hot this is one I've been excited to get out there since i stumbled upon Andrew and his stuff. I told you the tale it really was kind of six degrees of Judy Wood here but I've always really loved her book and when you get all those secondary questions out of your head like What could do this? How could they pull it off who even has the technical knowledge as well as the moral ambiguity to actually do it. Wasn't it risky having zero known examples of this technology used at such a scale? Yeah, I know a lot of questions and that's not even bringing up the questions that remain about the planes but if you can get all that out of your head for a minute and just examine the detailed evidence and consider very plainly

1:06:27 Does a controlled demolition fit with this evidence? No, it does not. Does nano thermite or an incendiary reaction explain this evidence again? It does not and then you're left with not much else besides the directed energy field effect cold fusion suppressed alternative technology perspective. And then you have to go back and wrestle with those other questions I guess And when I have brought this up before, some people have said it's not that complicated dude. People heard bombs in the basement. That's it. Occam's razor? Well number one you have to actually say that those were individuals interviewed by reporters on the scene

1:07:14 And they say they heard bombs, but we know some of those man on the street eyewitness statements are scripted. Not all but some it leaves an asterisk on the authenticity of any claim that you get through that I would say you can't rely solely on those eyewitness accounts, but yet what else do we have? But if we assume those reports to be true Basements and lower levels are where all the pipes and air conditioning units, water heater tanks and all that stuff are stored. If you put all that big industrial equipment in a microwave would you get explosions? Of course you would! That doesn't mean bombs were planted And another thing is if you see those clips where it looks like squibs or bombs going off on other floors throughout the building

1:08:15 Their microwave field effect explains that too. Because those pieces of equipment are all throughout and also the people jumping out of the windows when they really should have some hope left, you could still try and sit tight for a rescue if your 10-20 floors away from the devastation But if you're in a microwave field capable of dustifying those buildings and you feel like your skin is on fire, and you're burning from the inside out. Then you beg for a quick death and you jump as quickly as you can sorry to say And I won't go down the whole list but those are just a couple of added things we didn't even talk about that make more sense when you come at it from the Dr Judy Wood Andrew Johnson perspective

1:09:06 So I actually like this one a whole lot and i went back to our old THC editor Justin to clean this one up for me. Up until the time frame of the studio, THC episodes in the long history have only really been edited by three people myself my wife when I was really broke and Justin I think he did a great job. I think he put a little more love into it than we've had lately because he is a fan of this stuff as well, and I hope it was noticed but there were a couple things I don't think we actually included in terms of some of the reference material I had maybe I'm wrong but here is the response to the FOIA request

1:09:50 For any Hutchinson effect stuff from the military that we talked about somewhere in this episode, I'll just read the important parts for you. So you know that we can scratch any concerns about this stuff being fake? So it says as per the subject matter requested at the time, a report was written by John Rink and Robert Freeman both Los Alamos national laboratory employees To the best of his recollection, Mr. Alexander advised that a copy of that report is no longer available at Los Alamos. Mr. Alexander states he knows for certain the Army's copy also no longer exists. In closing, Mr. Alexander advised that Mr. Hutchinson is still in Vancouver and that he corresponds with Mr. Hutchinson periodically

1:10:45 Very interesting. So no, you can't have the report? Yes there was a report I just find that to be really damn interesting and about as close to a smoking gun that John Hutchinson was never just using strings and wires in camera tricks as we're going to get also As for the very bizarre idea that people at ground zero on 9 11 claims to feel a levitation effect I also have a little bit of visual about that. who says, I realized I couldn't get out from under the collapse. I dove under an E S U truck that was facing North on the West side of West street. I dove under that and waited for the building to come down when the building did come down. I actually thought I was trapped and the truck was blown off me pushed from me. I guess at that point I was just really shocked and didn't know what was going on at that point. I didn't know. I was just really, really shocked

1:11:56 Yeah, you're under the wreckage of a giant building. You would think you'd be dead but for some reason the truck was missing and he was okay." And then there's another report from Renee Davila and she says while we're walking I realized that we only had two people. I see my vehicle. The seats are covered. I've still got my bag. I hold it like a trophy like people collect basketballs. I don't get that analogy But she says, I haven't touched whatever the force was. It was so strong that it went inside of the bag. What the hell? Where are people investigating those claims? So yes, I'm just way more intrigued by this thread and technology used than really any other approach to 9-11 And i think this is one of best interviews I've done in a while The second hour for pluspeople is even better

1:12:49 In that portion, we got into parallels to containment of COVID truth with similar limited hangout levels in this situation. We gotten a Ken shoulders work and EVOs SAIC that's a rabbit hole I love to get into Brian De Palma and his free energy devices and Richard D hall friend of Andrews' and the Manchester arena event as a false flag and what Richard is going through with all that. Great stuff, lots about controlled opposition too and I know it's always good to be cautious with those sorts of claims it's really easy to get sucked into a pattern of thinking that I know X to be true so if a person disagrees with x well then they're controlled opposition no matter what else they say some researchers

1:13:40 are genuinely just going to think it's Y and not X. And be that as it may, giving grace for those people there are also figures injected into the alternative community to steer people away from certain conclusions and towards others. Just another muddy waters thing we have to navigate like Andrew has a big disclaimer on his website for example in the FAQ where he says if your question for him is hey, have you looked into flatter theories or ideas or videos? His response is If you've been fooled into thinking the Earth is flat because NASA faked the moon landings and that it hides data in doctors photos, please read this article and link and do not write to me. Instead just study astronomy trigonometry and navigation and you will realize you've been fooled." Some people right there are going to have a lot of questions about Andrew. The people who are Flat Earthers are gonna say see he's a gatekeeper for the Flat Earth truth

1:14:43 It just never ends this sort of thinking, but he's not really. You know you can look at his resume. He's not out there doing the rounds. He's not getting big publisher deals. He's doing his own thing in a very quiet corner of the Internet and I sought him out myself for this but there's a lot of plain gotcha and to use Adam Curry's term spot the spook in all of this But on the issue of alternative energy devices, I think that is a big enough deal to seed plants for within the community. And you can tell a lot about a public figure in this space by how they digest Dr Judy Wood's work and i appreciate all the

1:15:31 Detailed record keeping that Andrew has done on that. And now we're able to know exactly what some of those figures have said and when love Andrew, check out his website, check the evidence.com for a lot of other good stuff in higher side news. We are off to the races with the new multifaceted format I know that the first book report probably wasn't anyone's first choice, but it was Nobody's Girl. The Virginia Gouffre Memoir. My recording of that was almost four hours long truly insane and then I had to edit it out to cut down what ended up being the best 90 minutes honestly

1:16:19 It is a book that gives important context, but it is not very well written. It is so wordy and full of extra exposition and I don't even put that on Virginia. I put that on the Ghostwriter. But for those lengthy sections that I read, I went back and even just cut out the unnecessary sentences or summarized some of those pages. And I think it turned out Fine. It wasn't the rush of plus subs that previous solo shows were, but still higher than your average interview release. So the signal is still pretty clear. But now that I got that one out of the way it really is just what I want to be doing and that means staying pretty far outside of the trendy stuff that is getting a bit tiring right when it comes to the rating of that

1:17:14 presentation, the plus people were pretty kind to me. They gave it a 4.7 I know that's a little bit high and people just don't want to hurt my feelings or turn me off from doing these things i think but i have thicker skin than you might assume and the next two i have in mind are truly interesting and unexpected one will be free and one will be plus i'm still working out exactly how to do that We're flying by the seat of our pants here. I assume plus people don't care how it's split as long as they get five new hours of paid stuff and a total of 10 hours, and they just generally are entertained and captivated by what it is. I don't think they care beyond that. I might ultimately only give free people a trailer? I just don't know. People have to remember when you're not playing the ad revenue game

1:18:09 Everything's different. All the incentives are different and so few people in my position do it this way that I don't even have very good examples to go by or assess, so that's all just to say that I think plus is about to get much more interesting and valuable for people who like what I do And I hope you take the leap and engage with one of the few shows that isn't just padding for serving you ads because the ads are just getting worse all the time. I was just listening to something about how now that they've got everyone using chat, GTP and AI for their inquiries and searches

1:18:49 Now those results are going to be paid just like Google results, but it's more hidden because it's delivered in a conversational format. So advertisers will be able to purchase access to being included in those AI generated responses and just on principle I hate all that shit and I just wish more stuff existed and thrived on a very direct reciprocal relationship with whatever audience there is for it Anyway, you've heard that rant before let's also get to the plus review from the last interview I did which was professor Jiang's return and again we have a 4.7 love it now this one was earned the comments were much more mixed than I expected Some people don't like this particular narrative or this threat of research but so many people give me shit for not doing enough on The Jews

1:19:48 or I guess aspects of the story that include them. So, I expected this to be more universally liked because I think this is a more nuanced specific approach to a certain thread within Judaism, you know, Kabbalistic Jewish mysticism and inversion I don't know, questions do still remain for me though as to how influential this particular strand of Sabbatean Frankism is within circles of power today. But i still put it in the box of things worth folding into one's general assessment but that is about it! I've been rambling for a while treat yourself to THC plus and get twice as much if you haven't already here come the meetup calendar events

1:20:36 All right. January 10th, just a few days from now and new one at Choghi New York. I don't know how to say that at the art space Pachogi lofts check it out if you know, you know then we got January 10 also the Raleigh brewing company in Raleigh North Carolina, January 12th, Rosedale Albany Auckland, New Zealand at bar Savannah, January 16th Michigan city Indiana at burn M brewing And January 17th, Brentwood California. Another new one January 18th Stronton Virginia at hometown grill and buffet got to love a buffet January 22nd the San Paolo Brazil meetup at a restaurant and bar in San Paulo Brazil get into it if you are local there February 6th a quartal virtual meet up now

1:21:34 It seems like these quarterly meetups are going to be monthly and I don't really want to kick them off the calendar, but that is not really what the calendar is for. That's kind of a little bit too promotion heavy for a certain thing and also it was not a physical meetup so...I dunno we'll see how many of those start flooding the calendar Then we also have Stroke on Trent United Kingdom on February 14th at The Utrean Moving on San Jose, California March 7th the Rosicrucian Park greet and meet Okay, Rosicrucian Park interesting to know there is a Rosicrucian park in San Jose But it does seem like a good interesting place for THC fans to meet up as long as you're not having to fill out membership applications right anyway

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