Topic: Ludendorff

The conversation shifts to Donald Trump, whom Atwell characterizes as a "lifetime actor" and a "converso" whose role is to create a political oscillation back toward traditional imagery. Atwell compares modern political maneuvering to the actions of General Ludendorff, who allegedly facilitated the rise of both Lenin and Hitler. He suggests that Trump’s opposition to the "Brave New World" agenda of the Obama and Biden administrations may be a sophisticated form of propaganda.

Joseph Farrell introduces the "Versailles Template" to explain how the aftermath of World War I shaped the American national security state established in 1947. Figures like the Dulles brothers and George Kennan formed their geopolitical outlook during the 1919 peace negotiations. Farrell highlights the massive artillery firepower used by General Ludendorff in 1918 as a catalyst for the strict arms limitations imposed on Germany.