Topic: Brian Josephson

The discussion turns to physical mediumship and the concept of "apports," where objects manifest out of thin air. Grant Cameron references journalist Leslie Kean’s experiences with materializing hands during seances. He argues that UFO hardware and even alien bodies might be apports—physical manifestations created by the intelligence to grab human attention, rather than debris from a mechanical crash.

Stein discusses why he takes the paranormal seriously, citing brilliant colleagues like Nobel laureate Brian Josephson who study telepathy. He recounts the 1950s case of Bridie Murphy, where a woman under hypnosis allegedly recalled a past life in 18th-century Ireland. While a rational explanation involving a neighbor was later found, Stein uses it to illustrate the enduring fascination with such phenomena.

Stein quotes Albert Einstein, who argued that science has no right to deny the possibility of telepathy a priori because the foundations of physics are incomplete. He contrasts the views of Brian Josephson with more skeptical scientists who dismiss the paranormal as "rubbish." Stein emphasizes that science is not the "last word" but merely the "latest word," subject to constant revision.