Wm Michael Mott | Underground Entities, Beings From Below, & The True String Pullers Of Humanity

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00:58 and you want to be part of that future, don't you? Hey Greg, this is Dust. Just wanted to call in and thank you for all the episodes that you do and all the shows they're awesome man! I really enjoyed The Crow 777 episode And it made my hair stand up on end when he mentioned the transparent triangles that he saw on the night of Supermoon because i had a similar experience on the night at the blue moon in 2011 well the night before actually...I saw a rainbow manifest around the moon It was circular rainbow first It was large around the moon. Anyways, the moon bow slowly turned into a hexagon and that was amazing in itself. Within my field of vision I could see a plane coming by and all of sudden I could see a clear transparent triangle go alongside it

01:56 It went alongside of it for about two seconds, seemed to slow down when it was right alongside the plane and then... About two seconds later it sped off. There was no sound, there were no thrusters of any kind from the ship or whatever it was It was awesome! It was an awesome experience My hair was standing on end goose bumps all over Don't know what quite to make out of it but um...it was an awesome experience Thought I would share with y'all Peace In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats

03:01 How's it going, Ironside Chatters? Better every day I hope. From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and you know I'm drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke and trying to get my mind right for a Far Out show that i think really makes some great connections between ancient aliens in ancient history the races and blood types the elite and bloodlines the inner earth and abductions reptilian beings and a century-long manipulation of humanity thousand other threads on the conspiracy sweater. No one's freezing out in the cold tonight, I don't know what more you'd want from a THC." But we all know humanity has a rich history of experiences with a wide variety of strange humanoids, including Bigfoot the Greys, reptilians, gnomes fairies and many other things. While still mysterious the popular motif is that bigfoot lives in the woods The greys are from zeta reticuli and the rest may be some type of multi-dimensional beings but maybe all these things are a lot more connected than previously thought And there's a strong case to be made that the places they call home reside right beneath our feet

04:01 Well, today's guest William Michael Mott is one of the leading voices that has been taking that position in his book Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures. Now in its third edition it's considered by many to be some of the most comprehensive and entertaining work on this subject And I couldn't agree more! I'm psyched to have him here Mike Mott my man welcome to THC Thank you Greg. I appreciate it man. I really appreciate the invitation Yeah, this is gonna be awesome. I love the idea that other types of intelligent humanoid beings live inside the Earth and it's quickly becoming one of my favorite topics and i think you make some great points that the larger UFO cryptid paranormal community has missed but to start us off a lot of this involves going back in looking at old myths and legends from different parts of the world areas were told had no communication those days and we find these commonalities in their stories they're really so similar in some cases

04:51 it's hard to believe that they would spawn independently in different parts of the world if they weren't based on some real experiences. Would you say that's one of the prevailing thoughts, that kind of links up a lot of these arguments you make in the book? Well sure I mean... If you think about it Throughout history that we've always believed in I mean, we collectively as human beings all over the planet We believed it in not just a spiritual other world but in physical other worlds that physically exist and you know They call them fairy lands or whatever in northern Europe and by different names around the globe. But But the general idea is that there are others who live there and occasionally come into our area, take what they need and then they leave. They come in and take genetic material a lot of times whether it's from people or animals or crops and they seemingly vanish without trace

05:40 And this is something that goes all the way back into antiquity and we see this even today with the UFO phenomenon. You know, we have this whole idea that UFOs come from far away because were told that. We've been conditioned to believe that these are extraterrestrial beings which really works to the advantage of any race or species in a group of species that is living here with us if they're taking advantage of us in our world, in our realm I guess you could say. But they don't want us to put a stop to it. That is, it's totally within their interest to have us look at the stars and say oh well they come from up there we can't stop them you know? We can't interfere with what they're doing because again and again in UFO encounters you'll find this whole theme of Oh yeah! We come from up there. We come from this star system and that star system. And it's such an obvious- to me anyway misdirection

06:34 where they're saying, we come from far away. Look up there but don't look under your oceans. Don't look under those mountains over there. You know don't look deep in that wilderness area just look up there because that's where we really come from and you know this is something that goes all the way back into antiquity like you were saying because with Zeus for instance, you know Zeus would come down and he would purloin what he wanted from the mortal women and so forth of course it was always about genetics really if you look at those stories And then he would go back to his far away place, Mount Olympus which was supposedly so high that no human being could ever reach Olympus. So it was always look at us we're way up there we're out of your reach you can't possibly do anything about it and I think this is a theme that we see constantly and consistently updated throughout the history of anomalous encounters

07:25 Yeah, I agree and in terms of the UFO story. I had never really thought about that before But you make a great point that why should we trust these entities outright? Especially if they're doing strange experiments on us a lot of people say they're very painful right And I guess the argument could be that there's no risk in telling us where they're from if we can't reach their with our technology but still or if we believe that if we believe that we can Right, right. Look it's like this okay I'm going to go on a couple of points here and this is talking about first let me say that you know think of the earth as a huge living thing in a huge biosphere we're finding now extreme what are called extremophile organisms living in all sorts of hostile environments including far beneath the earth if there are other civilizations that have reached high level of development which I believe that there were in the past

08:17 which were destroyed or had to retreat, whether it was from conditions on the surface becoming less conducive to their health. Or war or whatever it might have been then obviously the place to go would be underground and under the oceans and more UFOs are seen coming in going from volcanoes mountain tops mountainsides And more than any I could see coming from large bodies of water including our ocean's coming and going or seen over large bodies of water. So that being said, if these beings are so advanced that they can travel across the galaxy, they can warp space and time or create a wormhole or exceed the speed of light or whatever it is they supposedly could do to come way out here to the edge of the galaxy in the boondocks where we live

09:06 If they're really that advanced, then if there's something wrong with their genetics or whatever the current theme is – actually that's the theme that goes all the way back. It's these beings have always wanted our genetics but if there's some sort of emergency and they can't…they've come in here to get genetics. If they are so advanced that they can warp space and time and create wormholes or whatever they do to do what they do They will be able to repair their genetics. They can rewrite their genetic code, they could repair any errors in their code because we're reaching the point now where we can almost do that. So another thing to think about here is if these beings are so advanced Why don't they just come and get what they need, and never even wake anybody up? Why don't they just come in, you know put down a dampening EM field something that suppresses- well I think it's what to do anyway but something that really suppresses your awareness. Make sure stay asleep take what they need painlessly and leave if they're really advanced

09:59 But no, they come in and make a big spectacle. There's little sadomasochism involved, a little dominance going on here with these things. It's sort of this whole Pavlovian conditioning. It seems to be designed to create a Stockholm Syndrome sort of reaction in the people that they repeatedly victimize. They come in and they create painful, painful and terrifying encounters with people And then they basically say, oh you're special. You're chosen. We were just here to help you. We created you blah blah blah but really if they weren't that advanced why would they have to do that? Supposedly their telepathic well if there telepathic than why don't know about all the terror and anger and anguish they cause these people. Why do they keep doing it okay so my point is that these beings are somehow related to us genetically

10:50 or else they would not be able to interact with us in the way that they do. They are probably part of the biodiversity of the earth, and by that I'm touching on the subject of the Nephilim here but they are a part of the biodiversity here. They're very interested in genetics both people and animals you know, if they were from far away like I said first of all they'd be able to fix their own genetic problems and second of all they wouldn't be so fascinated with ours. I agree and like you've also stated in the book a lot of these things seem super foreign but they're not there really are just humanoid forms with slight variations right? And if it was something from the other side of the galaxy think we'd be seeing some like giant amoeba or some kind of like really radically different thing and that's not the case

11:33 Right, or we might not even recognize it. And I'm not saying that there aren't other humanoid forms in the galaxy. I have no doubt that there probably are but these guys... Occam's razor is a very simple principle which is the simplest answer is usually the correct one so if you go back through the history of thousands and thousands of years you'll find that these beings have always been here You know, they don't say they came from far away on other planets. I know that what Sitchin said about Nibiru and so forth and I know you know about the watchers in- 200 watchers being stationed on the moon just like the Yigigi and all the rest of it but all this stuff is still centralized to the general area of the earth. It's all- The focus is on the genetic biodiversity of the earth, the garden okay? So like you were saying from my book

12:26 No matter how outrageous these forms seem initially to people who are having these experiences or these encounters if you take a an objective look at what they're seeing even though there are initially shocked. There's nothing that they're seeing that does not conform to an earthly vertebrate template. Two arms, two legs, central trunk one head two eyes you know in fact if you go back into the earlier part of 20th century there were more strange forms seen then more bizarre UFO dots for instance than there are now by far okay? The range was a little more strange again though they all still had the same characteristics

13:05 of genetic, a genetic life here. You know if you were from somewhere in a very remote area and someone said hey I want to show you something they took you in a warehouse and they showed you an elephant, a giraffe, a Maasai warrior, a penguin, hermit crab and octopus and you've never seen any these things before and had no idea what they were You would think, where in the world did this come from? What is that? You know you would have a hard time believing they all came from the same planet is what I'm saying. But they do! They all have a common genetic heritage because their are part of the biosphere here and it's the same thing with these beings there's no reason whatsoever to believe that they come from somewhere else

13:51 And this situation is much bigger than just the sector of aliens, but another great point about the alien idea is that if you go back and you look at like the big wave of UFO's in the 50's 40's and 50's. It seems like the technology that the crafts are using has only really, it seems to go parallel with us. You know that's why a lot of people now are saying they think they were secret government crafts but maybe there is some other type of being that has a parallel technology that may be 50 years ahead of ours but its not so radical and it seems like it came from Zeta Reticuli Right well if you look at historically

14:32 You'll find, for instance in the Middle Ages and the Dark Ages they were encountering these same beings except at that time they called them Silphs, Fairies things like this. And these beings at that time had technology but it was called magical you know magical technology items whatever Charlemagne declared war on what he called The Princes of The Year okay or The Kingdom Of The Year because these supposedly wooden ships were coming by sky, in the air and they were raiding farms and stealing not just livestock but young women. And Charlemagne became so angry that he gathered together his armies and marched them out onto the plain and screamed to the sky for a while and of course they never came down to fight Then you go forward a few hundred years or several hundred years and you have other updates to this thing where

15:29 where for instance a ship was seen that supposedly threw an anchor and it got stuck on the steeple of a church. It's as if their technology has always been just a shade ahead of where we currently are, or at least in appearance in the way they present themselves obviously something looks like a wooden ship but is flying that's actually some sort of advanced technology They don't have a lot of imagination, okay? They basically try to stay right ahead of the popular concepts in our popular culture. Whatever our current popular culture is at the time during the 1800s we had this mystery airship flap. Well at that time there were no Zeppelins flying around and all and hot air balloon was not widely known or was barely getting started but here were these airships flying around you know that the southwestern United States and you know you have to ask

16:23 Are they keeping up with our popular culture or our subconscious in some way? Because again, you move forward from that point and you come to the beginning of the UFO age as we know it now where Kenneth Arnold sees the disks over Mount Rainier. And before that happened There was another guy named Richard Shaver. Yes, who had written about the subterranean ancients who lived inside the earth and you know a lot of people consider shaver a crackpot in some ways he might have been but He still seems to have known something because there are so many things He wrote about which are still very much in ufology today and in witness accounts today everything from abduction subterranean bases silver disc-shaped craft

17:07 which he said were kept in the caves, interest in human genetics all this stuff and that was before Arnold had his sighting. Arnold had his sighting of silvery craft, they might have been- they weren't exactly disc shaped but somehow out of that he described them as skipping like saucers. So flying saucers stuck well soon as he said that what do we start seeing? We start seeing saucer shapes so they appear to update their presentation to us to match whatever our current expectation is and if we're reading science fiction since the pull page of science fiction and we're expecting aliens from outer space

17:45 Well then how are they going to present themselves? They're going to put on that mask and they're gonna come and say, yeah that's who we are. Right why not if the misdirection is already laid out for you why not just step into that role make it easy on yourself Exactly And I know The Richard Shaver Saga is pretty popular We've always kind of glossed over like its come up a time or two but uh...we haven't really looked at in any serious depth but tell us little bit more about the details of what he was talking about He was talking about 2 underground races that were kinda war with each other right Yeah, he basically was talking about what he believed was a hard materialistic reality. He wasn't pretty much an atheist. He had a lot of issues and even spent some time in asylum for a few months but how many times do you hear about people who've had these types of experiences having to break down? That type of thing

18:37 He basically was a guy who was working with a welding gun and back during that time the welding guns were highly dangerous. They produced it, a really powerful electromagnetic field and while he was welding when he would run the welding gun he started hearing voices and the voices did not appear to be aware of him they were just talking like you know talking about people Above them making noise and all this kind of stuff and all the terrible things that were doing to people how hilarious it was. And so forth which of course ties right in with you know demonology and things of this nature shaver basically at first thought he was losing it, and then he started seeing evidence that there was something going on because what they would say we correspond something that he would see happen and so

19:25 At some point he claimed that they basically came after him and he ended up being taken to the caves because i guess that he had figured out something or they realized it was listening in whatever but. Shaver claim that any did this first through science fiction story which is a true account two amazing stories and ray palmer, the editor of amazing stories found the account where an editor had thrown it in the trash can. He pulled it out of the trash, saw the letter that Shaver had written and said man this is great stuff so he contacted him to say can I use this? He says sure well I'm going to add some stuff to it So Palmer then embellished with all kinds of sci-fi trappings but basically it was Shaver's account what he had been told happened before the flood or the Great Cataclysm. He claimed you know there were two races on earth

20:17 that were like basically correspondent to the Nephilim. They were giant peoples, they were hybrid people sometimes mixed with animals genetically this type of thing and it's been done through advanced elder science and something happened, something cataclysmic the sun changed its solar radiation or was going And they figured out that the surface of the earth would become inhospitable to them. So, the elite of these groups left the planet and went elsewhere in our solar system most likely. At that point those who were left behind went underground to avoid the rays of a now poisonous sun. It's interesting if you look at it, you'll find that in the Sumerian king list

21:09 And in the books, in the patriarch accounts, the list of patriarchs in the Old Testament both. You'll see that each successive generation after the flood, the lifespan got shorter and shorter and shorter. I mean it went from hundreds of years successively down to scores of years as if something had changed You'll find again, you know in the apocryphal books it will talk about how many of these sons of the fallen were locked beneath the earth. And it says it's like a punishment, and their fathers are locked there permanently as the punishment or until the Day of Judgment. You know, in the Book of Jude which quotes from the Book of Enoch says angels who kept not their first estate but were reserved to change the darkness until the judgment of the great day So you know that concept is there that these beings fled beneath the surface or forced beneath the surface

22:07 Again, this is a theme that you see all the way up to the present day. You know whether you're dealing with anomalous humanoids of any just about any type Okay for instance Bigfoot there's an association with low-lying areas more It's just as much as our mountainous areas But they're usually caves sumps sinkholes grottoes You know these types of things nearby wherever you see these these types of beings and not just bigfoot el chupacabras The same way in the El Yunqui Reinforced in Puerto Rico, there are gigantic extensive cave systems that have never been explored. Right there where they've been seeing this thing so you know if there are beings here that essentially have a subterranean environment that they mainly dwell in

22:55 They would come out primarily to partake of what our environment has to offer, and then they would return where they came from. And you see that a lot times with the sudden disappearance of anomalous humanoids and anomalous creatures. They'll be hot on track at these things and then boom! They're just gone And of course all of these things have been seen in conjunction with tunnels, mines caves You know the list goes on and on it just makes sense even if you're talking about lake monsters. They're often Associations with underwater cavern systems so yeah I do I love the possibility of different creatures and humanoid races living in the inner earth but one of the things that my logical brain can't get over is why they would

23:40 Just why these seemingly more advanced beings would just surrender the surface to us, you know The beaches the mountains the sunrise and sunset there's a lot of amazing things to enjoy on the surface It seems weird that they'd be okay with just staying below ground unless of course they had to well Let's say had to if you if you look at what they do They tend to come out mainly by night or at dusk. Just like the fairy folk of old You know or trolls or whatever who fear the Sun? so basically what they're doing is They avoid sunlight as much as they can. Even with the so-called greys and other types of, uh – of so called extraterrestrials that have been seen, they usually have or often have these dark eyes, these huge dark eyes. Okay? If you have huge eyes those are not the eyes of a space faring species because space is the most hostile environment imaginable

24:35 for the eye, okay? The radiation is so intense that any creature which evolved or was even designed to live in deep space or travel throughout space a great bit would have smaller eyes. Okay? These beings have enormous eyes and nocturnal creatures are the creatures that have enormous eyes. Creatures that dwell in the dark to a large extent are creatures that have enormous eyes, and of course there are those who claim they've seen these beings take off their black covering and it's basically like a giant contact lens. There is an enormous reptilian or humanoid eye beneath the covering

25:17 So, again these are all indicators that these beings are subterranean. When you look at accounts for instance of the greys themselves and how they move they're described as having sort of a sideways shuffling gait. You know they don't take big strides and so forth and they kind of mill around almost like ants okay? And if you were a species that move in narrow ways beneath the earth. That's the way you would, that's the way you would move and that's probably the body and head configuration that she would have. Yeah I think that makes sense to me. And we were talking about how these stories of these kind of beings they span multiple cultures, multiple time periods let's step back a little bit and highlight some of these similarities amongst the stories tell us about a couple of the legends we hear from the East that kinda fit this mold

26:09 Well, you know in Japan for instance you have a story about a fisherman who is taken beneath the sea and he's taken by the king under the sea. And he is taken down there to marry the kings daughter to create a hybrid offspring of course the King is portrayed as a dragon okay? A reptilian If you go to China, you find the same thing. You find the Dragon Kings who live under the earth and they too are interested in human genetics and they come and take people for purposes of procreation. If you go to the Indian subcontinent into the Himalayas, you'll find legend of the Naga, the Naga folk, the Naga people who are reptilian humanoids. They're described as looking like snakes or serpents but they have a human body

26:57 And it's interesting because they too are obsessed with kidnapping humans, not just for procreation and sexual pleasure and so forth but for sadistic purposes which of course ties in with UFO encounters and what they do to people. And also as a food resource. So this is in all those legends too. Speaking of the Naga, in the Old Testament in the Bible we're told that at the very beginning there was a reptilian humanoid that shows up walking on two legs He comes into the garden and what does he do? He attempts to seduce the woman. And in Hebrew, the word for serpent in the garden is Nahash which is very close to Naga. You could actually spell it N-A-G-H A-S-H or N-A-H A-S-H. You come to the New World and you have the Nawadl

27:47 which again is a serpent type being. This this is the theme that you find all over the world, that these subterranean beings are older and there's something reptilian about some of them not all of them but some of them as if they're somehow tied in with older species on the planet and that their very fascinated with in fact dependent upon Procreation with the human race and even in folk and fairy lore of europe you find the same thing we have the frog prince this whole idea in very watered down form. I was sort of a reptilian slash amphibian humanoid who seduces a woman is hey you know i may be hit you but,

28:28 I'm really a wealthy and powerful prince if you would just make with me i will give you everything that you want to fulfill all your wishes so this is the theme of course that keep in mind. that frog prince comes out of a deep well. He's found in a well, so again you know this is a theme that is universal it even exists in Native American folklore right yeah the Native Americans they have quite a few different tribes have really awesome stories but I think the one that struck me as the most interesting in your book was the Choctaw Indians? I think they have some pretty rich lore about their local mound area right

29:06 Yeah, they do. There's a mound that is open to the public and they advertise that as the Unanawai Mound or Cave Mound but it's not there's another one in just in the last decade or so has been locked away from people you're really not supposed to go in there and see it It's back in the swamp in some woods And its natural formation Or so they say Its just this huge outcrop of stone and earth Just jutting up out of this swampland And there are caves in the front little case in the front that you can see but just actually a bigger entrance around back that has been cemented shut it's underneath some sort of deck work that they put up to cover it up I guess but they had sealed and legend rumor is

29:55 that some people went down in there and never came back, which is kind of interesting because it's not that big of a mound. So if they go down there and not come back you know there must be some tunnels in there but they claim that-and some other legends say they came out of that mound themselves and other legends say that there are all kinds of creatures that come out of that mound from the underworld. Shompy which is their version of Bigfoot and also Bopoli which are like little rock throwers or hairy men who live in the woods and throw rocks All these types of creatures, a whole range of creatures that supposedly live in and around that area but actually throughout this whole area where I live because I'm in Mississippi too. But that's basically you know a serious part of their lore. In fact one of the times when I made a trip to that actual cave mound there was one time I went there with some other people and as we neared the mound we started hearing drums

30:48 And there wasn't supposed to be anybody there. And we stood there for a few minutes listening, and then I see what looked like a naked guy run across the top of the mound and he never came down. We walked around and went up the mound. There was nobody there. Now I'm thinking maybe we interrupted somebody's vision quest. Maybe somebody was doing something personal and we interrupted it. But another time… Okay this is a sacred site to the Choctaw. And once an entire busload of Native Americans from Oklahoma had come all the way to this mound on sort of a pilgrimage, and I happened to be there at the time. And they're taking some pictures with my kids and stuff, and this bus pulls up

31:34 And all these people start getting out and, you know they're regular middle class folks and so forth. And they go running over to the mound and some of them are bending down real low looking into little caves, little caves that you can crawl into if you are feeling real brave which I wouldn't recommend. Tanner Iskra Right. stands back, she's very, very uh... She looks like a school teacher or something you know. Or nurse I mean a very professional looking lady with glasses and she is standing back and i mean she stood back like 60 yards And I was talking to her about everything that she was telling me about how they came there why so forth? And I looked over where these other people were and said aren't you going to go at least look inside that little cave? And she said I'm not going anywhere near those caves! And I said why?!

32:22 And she said, because Bigfoot lives in there. That was it and that was it and I looked at her and said really? She said, I'm serious. There's no way I am going near those holes so this is a very deep belief for them that there something otherworldly about that site but there are other places like all over North America where Native Americans believe either they came out of the earth or there are other things that dwell on the earth that are better left alone Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I just love that story about the Choctaw because you have this area this big public display where they're drawing attention And then you have this little secret area that uh yeah no one really is talking about its classic misdirection Well, you know in it's their business You know the way I look at is that's a sacred site to them

33:08 And I consider myself lucky to have gotten to go see it a few times. Yeah, I wouldn't want somebody trampling on my sacred site. I won't want somebody trampling around all over either. It's sort of a pet peeve of mine anyway because I'll see on different articles and on television and so forth where that somebody will come in and they'll dig up this huge site and they'll dig up all these people, and they'll take them away. And I'm sitting here thinking how would you feel if somebody went to the graveyard where your grandparents were buried? And they did that." And you mentioned, of course we see similarities to the legends and myths of Europe. The fact that as we talked about one of the themes is a lot of times the involvement has to do with royalty and genetic manipulation and bloodlines... So when we get into these stories coming out of Great Britain and Ireland

34:00 That is super interesting to me because of course it's a big umbrella, but I consider this a conspiracy show Right and this is kind of where these two things cross over a little bit almost well They do and it's interesting to me. I had never heard of David Icke for instance when I wrote the first edition of this book And then he quoted extensively from The first edition in one of his books I'm not sure which one it was. It might have been Children of the Matrix, it was in one of his books he quoted quite extensively from it. And some of the stuff he comes up with seems to be legit. Now, I don't believe that people are shape-shifting humanoids. I don't think that's what going on with these royals or any this type of stuff. What he may be describing maybe a form of demonic possession. Okay? Something electromagnetic going on. I remember back during the 2000 election there were people all over the place who said they saw Al Gore

35:03 Do something really strange when he was on television where he was in a live interview is very angry about the election results that which were still not decided he was being very very. And a whole bunch of people, credible people said that when he did this his skin tone started flickering and everybody else around him stayed normal. He started changing sort of color and it started going from green to red then his eyes starting looking really strange like bulging in black and then it went away. When this happened it was all over the internet well now its not, its gone I basically at that time thought thats interesting im gonna see if I can find that video It had been on YouTube and stuff but it was gone

35:43 So, I contacted somebody at CNBC because I figured if anybody's nonpartisan is CNBC. So, I contacted them not CNBC excuse me C-SPAN definitely not CNBC. There we go. Yeah, C-SPAN and so like I contact C-SPAN because they are highly nonpartisan and I was talking to a guy he said oh yeah he said I remember seeing that he thought it was really weird. He said that was really strange just like couldn't figure that out and he said I'll see if I can get the video for you So I waited and awaited, and he said well i'm still looking for it. I sent him a message he sends me back the message says I am still looking for it Finally he sends me an email He says look he says I literally cannot find that video clip anywhere It has been totally removed from every archive source we had He said its gone Wow See when you hear things like that You have to say

36:33 you know what is the deal here is there a conspiracy about this type of stuff that do i believe it or is a reptilian shape shifter no i don't think that what you're seeing is a disturbance in the electromagnetic field. That was somehow localized to him, and that the cameras were picking it up, what the human eye couldn't see. preservation of bloodlines and life extensions and some type of genetic manipulation. And that's also the theme of the history of our planet's elite as far as I can tell. It is, you know, in the underworld itself these hidden races live underground are associated with forbidden and hidden knowledge which they keep for themselves longevity immortality You know all these things and so there seems to be a connection when you look at for instance The Arthurian legends and the legend of the lady in the lake

37:36 Well, the lady in the lake lives in a cave under the lake. Okay? And she's very concerned with making sure that Arthur gets to be king. Then again you look at legends like Rumpelstiltskin and here we have this little basically a troll or a goblin who lives under the ground and he is very interested again in obtaining the child from the princess. He wants that child which is royal bloodline So, yeah this is a theme that you find throughout history and you don't just find it in Europe. You find it in the Far East too so... It's something that you'll find…it leads back to this whole idea of those who believe they have a divine right to rule but their divine right despite what people who are into the Merovingian heresies and stuff think Their belief about divine rights really not about being descended from Christ or Mary Magdalene

38:33 Their belief of divine right was much, much further back. Back into the most distant midst of antiquity all the way back to ancient Sumer, okay? To the Sumerians and it always has to do with non-human beings who basically set up their offspring – their hybrid offspring – to rule and this is a theme that has come all the way down to us today even and that's what David Icke is kind of continuing with stuff he talks about lot of dots I think connect here because major conspiratorial theme is that the elite are communicating with something non-human and the two main ways people talk about is either they're taking orders from some alien race or They're using occult magic rituals to communicate with some spiritual entity And I think you could also say a third possibility Is that there are beings that exist here on the earth that have probably had

39:27 an evolution that lasts longer than ours or maybe they survived the last cataclysm so they have more information about this planet than we do. And all you have to have is a few contacts in special places, the Vatican secret societies, you have a few contacts, you know? The British Royals and by only communicating with less than 100 humans you could pretty much control these surface like a chessboard. Well sure! All these things could still be interconnected in some way. I mean, these very ancient races that would set up their puppets to control human governments they could also have bloodlines that go millions of years back. Whether they're hominids or reptilians or whatever and when i say reptilian understand that so-called dinosaurs were warm blooded creatures. They were endothermic

40:20 Some of them have feathers so fine that they were basically hair. Okay? So, over millions of years they would probably look just as much like mammals as mammals do. Okay? That's true! Sure. This whole idea the seed to serpent it is a prevalent theme around the world and it is part of a lot of secret society stuff too. And if you go look for instance in the book of Daniel, Daniel chapter 2 Daniel says, when he's talking to Nebuchadnezzar about human history based on Nebuchadnezzar's dream of this statue of different materials. And he basically says the last age of the earth or human history is going to be a final empire and the statue that Nebuchadnezzar saw had feet that were made of iron mixed with what King James Version calls miry clay or crumbly clay and Daniel says

41:19 He's interpreting the dream and the different areas of the statue, of different metals correspond to a different empire. And the feet he says are at The Last Age and he says for as you saw iron mixed with miry clay So shall they seek to mingle themselves with the seed of men, but it will not hold." So again here's this theme that even until the very end of time that these beings are always going to be trying to genetically mix with homo sapiens. And it will not hold and if it does not hold that would explain

41:56 why they have to keep coming back, keep coming back. That's fascinating and another thing from your book that I love in this whole thread of these beings maybe being in the shadows and being the real puppet masters there is a pattern of world leaders and generals getting strange visitations that you could argue are forms of this manipulation too right? Right, right. I mean Napoleon had a visitor they called the Dark Man you know he would just show up in his chambers and he was even seen by you know by his generals and they thought it was the devil And he would come in he would be seen leaving secret conferences when no one went in things of this nature Hitler also had a guy like this They called him The Tibetan This strange character will show up and then depart or just vanish

42:44 And it's interesting because Hitler himself said, you know one of his main rationales was he wanted to create a so-called master race. But he was basing this on the race that he claimed that he had contact with and the message that he said that basically got was we have to make ourselves like them or they will destroy us when they take over the earth basically He said I have seen the new man, he is intrepid and cruel i was afraid of him So this type of manipulation of world leaders seems to be par for the course for these beings. And you know, in biblical terms they would have called these beings principalities and powers—some sort of being that may be something that is beyond what we can understand as physically real even though it can be physically real but it manipulates our civilization

43:34 Yeah, and now people have plenty of stories of seeing a Nordic race of aliens that have blonde hair and blue eyes. Right! And I don't know you just say Napoleon sees the guy and Hitler sees the guy...I mean just right there by changing the way those two people think and maybe altering their actions? That's a huge change in human history just making those two appearances Well sure, I mean this is a theme that goes again all the way back. Alexander the Great believed he was the son of one of the gods and went to an oracle in the Libyan desert when he was in North Africa with his army and they told him yeah you definitely are, you're one of them so he had this whole idea that therefore he was entitled to conquer the earth

44:20 And he had a lot of strange things which were chronicled during his advance across to Asia Minor and into India. He laid siege to one city, and he could not get through the wall. A flying shield was said to have shown up and shattered the wall with a lightning bolt. Then again when he was crossing a river or about to cross a river in India, he was opposed by so-called flying shields—silvery shields that came out of the river and attacked So, of course to him these are gods because it's in their interest for him to believe they are gods because then he will do whatever they say. He will believe that he has divine right to rule all this type of stuff in the same way that today is in their interest for us to believe there aliens from somewhere far far away. Yeah man I am loving this theme and I think even Constantine claimed to have some big vision in the sky that made them convert the whole Roman Empire

45:14 to a Christian nation, now that is some serious influence. And the cliff note of that visitation is either accepted by people who want to believe the religious narrative or it's just dismissed but there is a third option that some dark ancient underground power center looking to increase influence on the surface use divine intervention as a way to pull Rome's puppet strings? Well sure I mean even now we have something called Project Bluebeam which supposedly we haven't used, but I don't believe that for a minute. And it's used to create these types of hallucinations or images or I want say hallucinations holographs in the sky, holographic images they use these things and manipulate whole populations if you were up created an image well even recently they supposedly had an image of a flying horse

46:04 over for mecca which ties right in with something from muslim eschatology what about the end times that you would see this flying horse which is the barack which is what's actually called of uh... that mohammed flew on and one night from mom from mccain medina to to uh... jerusalem impact So the name do yeah exactly but yeah very interesting It's a thing that we have to ask are we doing that is somebody else doing that? who's causing these types of Manipulations and Richard Shaver said you know that the subterrestrials I mean way back in early 20th century before again before the first major UFO sighting by Kenneth Arnold shaver was saying

46:48 You know these beans could create realistic looking even solid appearing holograms in our skies and oceans that would you show up on radar and then they will just disappear how many times has it been reported in ufo cases. Right man maybe these underground races have been using project blue beam longer than we've been alive I also read on and i'm sure you already know this but apparently lewis and clark and also columbus wrote about these flying candles that would hover around them which is a lot like the orbs people talk about seeing today. No actually have heard that about lucy clark but it wouldn't surprise me i think they were probably a high civilization here north america one point and,

47:28 A lot of these anomalous events tie into that, and I think that these ancient beings we're talking about are also a part of that. They – just as anywhere else they're behind the scenes manipulating cultures and civilizations. Even going back to the Hopi tale of the ant people in The Snake People you have this same theme with these subterranean beings. In that case they were helping them survive but it's just a theme that you see again and again that they are here. That is where they are Yeah, another Indian tribe that had those type of stories. I can't remember the name of the tribe but when they had met the Spanish explorers they were talking about a being or something they would see called Mr Bad Thing and I learned about this from your book Can you tell people about that little bit? Sure, Senor Malacosa is what they called him. That's what Digama called him at. And Vasco Digama was an explorer who came through Southeastern United States over into Texas region

48:27 And he claimed that he had met these Native Americans who said that this thing called senior malicosa was this being that came out of the ground and terrorized them. The thing about this is, again it's a thing where these people have been conditioned. No it wasn't Basco de Gama, it was Cabeza da Vaca, excuse me. Cabeza da Vaca was exploring the region and these Native Americans were being totally controlled by their fear of this being So basically they said that this thing would show up and he would dress as a male or female, basically trying to seduce people. He would never eat if they offered him food but he would tell them that he came from down inside the earth through a crevice that was nearby. He would take people apart and put them back together which is again a theme you find in ufology with the intrusive surgeries and stuff

49:19 So, you know this is nothing new and he was also accompanied by a bright light and an electrical sensation that would paralyze the victim. He had a wand which had a glowing end on it which he would use as a weapon. You know all these things are right out of UFOlogy Right. It's a weird thing because like just in the past 200 years I wonder if there has been major changes to the way these beings interact with us, because when you look at old writings it seems like they're just coming right up and talking to people whenever they choose too, their flying around in the sky whenever they choose too

49:54 But it's almost like as our technology has advanced, as we've become more of a global society on the surface they've even taken another further step back. At least that's what it seems to me I mean do you notice a difference in the way people talked about it today versus back then? Yeah I think so. I think that they realize now that people are not going to believe their gods So they're not gonna be able to control people in that way. They have to put on this disguise of being aliens Because if they say they're aliens, and they can come and say oh yeah we'll see where- We've been monitoring your evolution. And you're doing bad things so need to do what we say or are going to destroy yourselves? You gonna destroy your planet? Of course it's their planet too because they live here okay but there coming around with that same old disinformation campaign is just you know is changed slightly

50:44 It's basically we're from somewhere far away, you can't get to where we are but we're here for your own good. And you know, you see this with the ancient alien concept which is – We created you. Yeah. You know? Yeah. You're our property. You belong to us. These types of things and this is a very insidious form of mind control. It's designed to convince human beings that you are not autonomous, that you are not your own master You are not in control of yourself and your own destiny. And people should be very, very careful about anybody—anybody human or non-human religious leader political leader or so called alien that comes and tells you that they know what's best for you don't think for yourself just do what you're told." I think that is where a lot of this UFO encounter stuff is leading and I think it's where a lot of the ancient aliens stuff is eventually going to end up

51:38 Yeah, man I like what you're saying there. And the themes of the ancient aliens idea and also modern alien encounters jive so well with religion as a control system too It's like we swapped out the spiritual lens for a scientific one but the same story with God He lives somewhere you can't reach He knows what's best for you. He has a plan, he made the rules that you need to follow... And he made you? He created you? Exactly! Yeah. He's in charge of your destiny? Yeah it is exactly the same. Well what if some of these underground beings are responsible for creating the three major religions? Well think about this too I mean people are easily manipulated even if they mean well even if they are knowledgeable even if they're putting genuine evidence together

52:21 in a seemingly real picture you know solving the puzzle but what if all this is being fed to them intentionally and some way. Yeah man, I love it. I'm starting to think it's all fed to us by some non-human source and its usually framed as Archons or Demons or Anunnaki but this idea that comes from an intelligence that lives in the shadows beneath the surface with a few topside agents? Maybe thats why they steal babies to raise them on their own and put them in power positions on the surface then work through bloodlines for as long as they can but seems totally feasible to me

52:57 And I also wanted to ask you, now i know you aren't really a hollow earth guy but when it comes to the composition of the planet do you think there's any major variation from the conventional model? If they manipulate us in so many ways you'd think they have lies for that too. Well its an interesting question and I do in all fairness because the book is largely about subterranean mysteries I do talk about the hollow earth at one chapter some extent most of that whole chapter But we have no way of knowing what the inner configuration is because we've never been there. We can guess, we can estimate, we can do tests and hypotheses and see if the test results match the hypotheses. We can interpret data that we gather but ultimately if for instance we had a ProtoStar

53:45 or a quasar that was stable, or some other strange form at the center of the planet that was extremely dense and had a specific charge and spin. Then we might just assume it was a nickel-iron core. Okay? We have no way of knowing this. It's all guesswork you know. It is. One of my favorite stories is about a guy named Wagoner And Wegener, Alfred Wegener he proposed a theory back during the early part of 20th century about something he called continental drift. He looked at the shape of continents and said these continents all fit together as puzzle pieces and they slowly drifted apart. Well he came up with this theory and was destroyed. He lost his credibility, he lost academic standing

54:41 you know, so forth and so on. Well now, you know, you fast forward several decades and somebody else comes around along says oh guess what? All these planets- I mean all these continents used to fit together when the planet was young and we had a great continent it was called Pangea well that's what Wegener was saying then another guy comes forwards says Oh guess what! We're floating around on these plates and they're pulling the continents apart we call this plate tectonics okay So there is Wegener theory except now its accepted And you see the same kind of thing happen with a lot of anomalous things that people scoff at. Who knows what the future will hold for Hollywood theory? We don't know. I personally don't subscribe to it one way or another,

55:23 I have to say, I'm agnostic about it. So yeah, I think that the planet itself demonstrably is much more complex than we are led to believe you know the crust of the earth is highly complexes filled with gaps and voids and holes in tunnels and cavern systems and all this stuff and even as you know from my book at the crust mental boundary there's a worldwide anomalous region called the Moho-Rovosec discontinuity or the Moho For short and the mojo is worldwide it exists that is really the US Navy has tried to drill to at the Russians are trying to reach nobody's had succeeded in reaching but we find that there's a largely vacuous area very deep high pressure.

56:07 And it shows up in seismology and seismic readings as valleys and troughs, mountains and things like this. So is it full of water? Is it full on liquid fire? Is it full of air? You know we have no way of knowing are there oceans in there that are being evaporated by heat and then thats a turn resulting in the never ending continuous supply of fresh oxygen that is blowing out of large cave systems around the world. Yeah, I thought that was really interesting too because i've been near a few caves and you feel that air coming out and you're like yeah where's that coming from? Right! Where it coming from? And whether its Lechuguilla Cave in New Mexico or Blowing Cave Arkansas or Mammoth Cave or the huge caves over Vietnam these caves are constantly blowing fresh oxygenated air constantly

57:02 It's just gotta be a source for that. It's not just being generated down by the solid nickel iron core, okay? So there has to be an inner area where that oxygen exists or where hydrogen H2O actually is probably being broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, and expelled. And that would be something that would happen if there were internal oceans which now we know all the time we hear news about another internal ocean being found in the crust somewhere. If these bodies of water are being converted into oxygen by heat, that would explain that expulsion. air pressure.

57:59 really all I need because in terms of surface area it's the same you know it could be as just as vast with continents and oceans and all kinds of stuff right beneath our surface. And, It doesn't really matter to me if its looking inward or outward cause that is really the difference we are talking about with a hollow earth theory. Its just that they would be pointed inward towards the inner sun but there is layer like an oreo like a layer of cream in between our crust and mantle, that's just as much surface area. There could be plenty of continents there the whole Shangri-La thing could be there yeah lot of possibilities Well, right on. Mike this has been a fascinating show I love that book! I hope we can do it again because there's so much more stuff we didn't even touch on but before i let you go would you like to tell the people about some of your other work and website and anything else you got going? Sure... You know what..I've got uh... I just say go to grave distractions dot com That's my publisher Gravedistractions.com And there you could find all but one of my books

59:00 You can find Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures the third edition. Please get the third edition it is much more expansive has a lot more material in it and will cost you less and the others are out of print or they're supposed to be out of print And so yeah if the third edition you can get the third edition of Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creature at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. You could also get This Tragic Earth. You could get both these books in Kindle Nook or print, okay? And all the other digital formats too. I also have a couple of fantasy novels which deal with some of these themes there together in one volume is called The Pulsifer Saga and it's really enjoyable stuff people tell me it's also at Amazon and it is also at Gravedistractions.com. I recommend going through Grave Distractions to

59:48 to click on the links for these books because that way you'll be sure and get the latest and greatest edition. The Pulse of Forsaga is now in a third illustrated edition, and that's the one that you want to get. And again it's a better deal too so...and of course I have this Tragic Earth, Richard, the art world of Richard Schardt-Schaefer And another book called pulp wins which is a bunch of short fiction has been published different magazines and web magazines things like that if i got collected together into an interesting collection of sort of adventure fiction horror fiction the kind stuff some of the same thing themes present in it.

1:00:24 And I guess the other one would be, The Problem of Density in Regards to Non-Human Encounters and that can only be found on Amazon. That's not through Grave Distractions. That is published by Interlight Communications. So that's it! Go to gravedistractions.com and look for my name under authors you'll find it. Cool very awesome man well can't thank you enough so glad Dean Dominic DeLucia pushed me to get in touch with you has been a real blast Until next time, keep doing what you're doing man and take care of yourself out there. Alright? Thank you Greg! You too I appreciate it My God people...I just love that episode I think it's so compelling when you connect the dots that we talked about today The story gets a little bit simpler but you can still tie in so many loose ends I really think this could be the whole damn thing And its way to rectify some other ideas like the theme that we cant really get into space and that the planet space agencies are just there to bullshit us

1:01:19 And to me it bridges this gap between ancient priesthoods, modern secret societies and this partnership between surface governments and some far-off alien races that take place in bases almost exclusively where? Underground. I also love this tie in of religious manipulation seeing visions of the Virgin Mary or a big cross in the sky these poor fools being given their quote unquote destiny by some manipulative inner earth entity waging wars for unknown reasons using a form of Project Bluebeam on us? That's out there. But it answers a lot of strange questions like why does this ship fly from Zeta Reticuli to Arizona and crash in the desert? Why do they have space travel but yet lacking genetics program? Why do they care about our genetics? Maybe these beings are the ones who introduced the ancients to the mystery schools and sacred geometry, maybe taught them how to enslave the globe through fractional reserve banking alchemy!

1:02:18 Maybe the Babylonian banksters and the agents of the New World Order are the liaisons of the underworld. You know, Henry Kissinger seems half-goblin to me! So do The Bushes and The Queen Of England... There's a quality. And just like Mike said how coincidental that we've had this history where our planet was covered with reptiles 65 million years ago? Now we have these stories of an ancient reptilian underground ruling presence Maybe the reptilian's time was when dinosaurs and reptiles were the way life manifested here, but now the world is littered with mammals and the highest form of humanoid is mammal. Maybe these reptilian beings aren't from some other place but some other time? Unable to deal with the current surface sun since the big change in the solar system or whatever that may have been

1:03:04 Maybe Saturn was that brown dwarf star that Troy McLaughlin talked about. Now we're tying in Saturnian cults, reptilians, economic enslavement underground bases and we never had to leave the planet! Damn it people It's probably why there's so much mystery about Obama's past He was a stolen child raised by the goblins of the inner earth And that's who he works for seems so obvious now right? Another point, Great Britain and Ireland are islands with a lot of this lore like we talked about in the show. But if you want to farm humans and keep their genetics pure islands are a good place to start until we start sailing around in ships And then if you propagandize us that tell us that we could sail off the earth maybe won't go that far right?

1:03:47 I could do this all day, but if you didn't hear the plus show we do get into some more stories that fit into this subterranean creature mold. Stories of giants living in caves, feral cannibals living in caves clues within the human genome project and what we're learning through tracing back our DNA and how this might jive with different races and pockets of underground manipulation The Rh blood type and the connection to rich folklore in those areas. How this stuff could connect to how things behave at the quantum level, the aspect of different densities to these beings Also some examples where we see these ideas supported in These stories of men-in-black encounters I'm into it guys! I think there's something here

1:04:32 So, if you want to hear more about this topic and the topics we do every show please sign up for the low low price of $5 for 5 shows a month at thehiresidechatsplus.com I hope everyone has been liking the show lately! I feel like were really on fire! I loved the episode with Crow about the lunar wave. I've gotten a couple other emails and messages that were a lot like the voicemail we heard in the intro which is great! I love a little buzz A listener called in to Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis and gave me a little shout out, which was the highlight of my day yesterday. And also introduced Clyde to the Lunar Wave footage and now Crow is going to be a guest on Ground Zero this Friday! Very happy to hear that thanks for spreading the word people We also have a supermoon coming up in just the next week

1:05:17 Crow and I are gonna do a little THC update about the new info he's gotten in just the past two weeks, and what it might mean for this crazy time. It's also- you know it's prime time for observation so be ready for some weirdness there if today show wasn't enough for ya! I'm also getting SO many guest requests, it's tough to keep straight... A dozen or more a day sometimes? I'm really looking to tie in this underground theme to different things and ideas about different compositions of the earth or space. Those are fun ones and I'm probably going to take it to some pretty weird extremes that i hope you are on board for exploring

1:05:55 I'd also love to do a show that focuses on the Vril Society and Agartha specifically, but I just gotta find the right guests. So often someone suggests a topic but no guest and thats the hard part of it all. You have to make sure over two hours somebody is going to be well spoken and able handle the full topic I really want to do a show that just hammers on the Vatican and their secrets. Communication with entities, odd stuff they're doing with their observatories, occult rituals, Ratzinger, the secrets of the Vatican vaults all that stuff in a Vatican secret super show but i just can't find a guest who specializes in two hours of those angles but we'll get there I'm sure

1:06:39 We are still so much closer to the beginning of THC than we are the end. And that's a beautiful thing! So, that said I love you guys stay weird stay strong and manifest the best reality You can the magic is there? I promise and i've done my part this week your move overlords at the underworld your frickin' move. Watch out I can't stand running around I can't stand no doubt The stars you find Perhaps I've spelt wrong

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