Whitney Webb | Cabal Control Tactics, The Trust Project, & The Epstein Network

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01:30 Here we go people, from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and we've been at this long enough by now to know that the corporate media is not doing the job that media should do. In fact, they act more as a filter for making sure certain scandals take precedent over others that they fuel the fires of the two-party rage. That stories like The Epstein Saga don't get deep enough to expose the whole system and maybe most importantly that their sponsors and partners are properly shielded from any negative press And it's getting so bad now that even people who have drank the corporate media Kool-Aid for years are seeing through the carefully crafted narratives and are looking anywhere they can to find some integrity, objectivity and actual intelligence in their news. Well folks I hope today show marks a digital signpost to point you to the work of our amazing guest Whitney Webb

02:23 Not only has Whitney gotten some well-deserved recent attention for her incredibly detailed deep dive into the Epstein saga with her book length four part series, The Jeffrey Epstein Scandal Too Big to Fail. But she's also written about a number of subjects few others are including international election meddling CIA coups the weaponized algorithms of Silicon Valley the finer points of the cozy relationship between the US and Israel and so much more Whitney is currently working as a Mint Press News journalist based in Chile, but she has also contributed to several independent media outlets including Global Research, EcoWatch, the Ron Paul Institute and 21st Century Wire among others.

03:06 She's also made several radio and television appearances now as well, and is the 2019 winner of the Serena Shim Award for Uncompromising Integrity in Journalism. And that is no small thing! So let's get into it boldly going where few others dare to tread The criminal cabal color-outer The independent journalist extraordinaire And a righteous thorn In the paw Of the empire Whitney the web exposer web Welcome to the higher side Hey it's my pleasure to be here. Yes well thanks for doing it I know you're in high demand after your Epstein coverage really amazing work there and i'm sure we'll get into it but i am intrigued by some of the more global aspects of your work and even your move to Chile obviously a lot of us can get stuck in the American bubble and we lose sight of our global view even on a show like this,

03:57 five year geoengineering or mk ultra even we talk a lot about how the capstone cabal affects the american microcosm, but we don't get out of that lane as much as we should so to kick this off. I'm curious to hear a bit about your experience moving out of the states and how you see the big empire affecting the region of the world where you now reside Well, you know I originally came to South America thinking I wanted to get away from stuff in the US that's still going on today but I saw coming anyway a long time ago when I left in 2012 after I graduated from college. And I kind of thought that here in the middle of nowhere in southern Chile because I live pretty far down south not that far from Antarctica actually, I thought I would be safe here right?

04:47 The more I learned about South America specifically and some of the geopolitical things going on in Patagonia, which is the region where i live. I came to realize that a lot of this stuff was writing about was actually also very much affecting where i was living And I actually ended up starting a series earlier this year about some really crazy stuff going on in Patagonia with actually, a lot of the billionaires and some billionaires that are connected to the so called mega group that we're backing Jeffrey Epstein. And some other crazy stuff and they're basically you know, some of them including this one British billionaire or this guy named Joe Lewis. I mean he's essentially made like a parallel state in Patagonia. He has his property that borders this lake

05:29 All these locals you know have a government right to go and visit that lake is it's a public lake and he basically has private security guards almost drown people for getting close to it like does all this other really crazy stuff in there's a lot more going on than that there's actually a lot of. Indications and concern people in argentina also in chile that there's on these upcoming efforts led by the imf actually basically trying partition patagonia and make it a separate country yeah, basically sort of like a feeding ground of new raw materials for on the global financial elite. So yeah, I'll be writing more on that in a couple months and start up that series again when when a lot of my Epstein stuff is concluded. But basically that series really shows that really no matter where you go in the world, you're going to find this stuff. This is really these types of...I guess you could call it American empire or you could call it just- I wouldn't just call it like the global power elite empire

06:26 They really have their tentacles everywhere, so to speak. So it's kind of hard to really live anywhere these days and not have some sort of interaction with it but you know the nice part about Chile is that where I live anyway It's nice and it's relaxed so it's easy to forget about that stuff here still. It's not staring you in the face every day Well that is a silver lining but you're right i mean south america is really ripe for resource plunder of course I've heard a lot about brazil's election last year there was a lot of hacking and meddling and. And now the Amazon is on fire. There's a lot of speculation as to hidden motives there, I mean corporate interests would love to come in and take that land so you can't put anything past them really? Yeah, I think that's definitely true and as far as the Amazon goes...I mean there has definitely been interest in Brazil

07:17 foreign and even from other countries in Latin America, oligarchs from countries like Argentina for example that have had a long-standing interest in increasing Brazil's meat industry because cattle ranching is one of the main drivers of deforestation on the Amazon. But another thing that's really crazy that goes on, that I have personal experience with actually has to do with mining in the Andes. And that's one of the main resource plundering efforts underway near where I live. They're trying to dam up all the rivers in Chile to make these hydroelectric power plants and they're claiming it's for people to give renewable energy but everywhere they've been installed they don't connect to local communities and basically are the first phase of bringing mining

08:02 to these areas where mining didn't exist before because the andy's are really rich in copper and a lot of other minerals so basically they try to get this hydroelectric power plants installed and then bring in the mines and these plans aren't for people like that trying sell them as their fur, the minds but they still have those really effective PR campaign I'm trying to be like you know it sustainable energy but it really am. It's really something entirely different. What goes on in other places in South America are really nuts, and relation to that too like I used to live in Peru. And actually used to manage a farm in a really rural area of Peru not that far from Cusco so like way up in the Andes and there was all these battles between locals and these big really predatory mine companies that are really destructive environmentally but they also get along quite poorly with the locals

08:52 Really ignore what local communities want probably like ten kilometers from where i was living a group of angry locals like burn down housing for this mine that was near where I lived and then the mind company responded basically by sending in getting the peruvian military senate and the so called ringleaders they basically just push them off cliffs It was like really, you know that sort of thing that goes on. You don't really hear about in mainstream media whether it's in South America or the US or anywhere else but a lot of these mining companies are either British or American Chinese or Australian generally speaking and they basically have the local governments at their beck and call and they do this sort of extrajudicial killings

09:41 Another really crazy case that I've written about before, but is really not well known is how this mine that originally used to be owned by ExxonMobil. I forget what company owns it now but I think it's an American company still. They basically used a hydroelectric dam that they again sold as being sustainable energy to basically divert the only river that went to the largest indigenous community of Columbia, the Waiyu and that was in 2011 And between 2011 and 2016, like 5,000 kids died because they didn't have any water in this community. They can't grow their own food. They barely have a liter of water to live off of and all the river was diverted into this mine and they used the water just to clean the roads to improve visibility. They like watered the roads all day while this community not that far from there is literally dying of thirst in record numbers

10:37 And it's just like totally insane. So yeah, South America is full of cases like that because you know, corporate media whether it's in Latin America or the United States or anywhere else really they don't really cover this stuff so no one really knows and there's no pushback. I'm really glad you laid out some of those cases. I mean these confessions of an economic hitman type of stuff are very much par for the course I do like to make people aware of it because the folks that are affected here they don't really have a voice so, it is important to remember them. We complain about the American empire from within and there's alot to complain about but its alot worse for other people outside of it and i think they deserve some attention

11:22 He wrote a really interesting piece about Venezuela before the Epstein coverage came about entitled how GMO seeds and Monsanto slash Bayer's roundup are driving US policy in Venezuela. And you say, it is telling that the top political donors in the U S most aggressively pushing regime change in Venezuela have close ties to Monsanto and major financial stakes in Bayer Well, yeah that's definitely telling. It seems like GMO crops and global food supply control is a big aspect of international politics now but can you tell us a little bit more about that article and that situation?

12:02 Yeah, well in Venezuela specifically this has to do...this goes back to I think it was 2004 when Hugo Chavez he and the legislature at the time they enacted this really progressive seed law on the span on GMO crops in Venezuela. That's still an effect and actually Has been very strongly opposed by the party of one who is a course like the interim president his this party popular well in the roundtable democratic unity which is sort of like this umbrella group, view aspect venezuelan opposition parties they basically made it their mission to try and repeal it on and they've tried numerous times and have been unsuccessful but actually around that time i wrote this article.

12:44 Juan Guaido had released his plan for Venezuela as interim president, or US handpicked president. His plan was called Plan País, or Country Plan and one of the things he kept talking about repeatedly that didn't really get any media attention at the time was agriculture and basically opening up Venezuela and renovating agriculture making it this big agricultural because even though Venezuela has a lot of fertile land and one would assume should have a booming agricultural sector, it's actually a very neglected agriculture sector. But this is something that precedes Chavez by several decades on this actually goes back to the 1940s when basically the oil industry in Venezuela took over and basically led to almost every other sector of Venezuela's economy being neglected in favor of the oil sector. And Travis tried to reverse that a little bit

13:32 but he certainly did not go far enough. I mean, that's one of the several criticisms that one could make of Chavez from the left even. But what we see here with Juan Guaido is basically there were some sort of buzzwords in his presentation of Plan País that suggested that there was going to be a repeal of this seed law and this GMO ban had been in effect for a long time and what's interesting, of course, is that one of the main backers of this Venezuelan regime change efforts in the United States is Marco Rubio. And, of course, the Trump administration and a major, major backer to Marco Rubio and also a more recent backer of President Trump after he was elected is this guy named Paul Singer who is often called a vulture capitalist. He's very well known in Latin America including Argentina for his predatory activities basically

14:21 trying to buy up debt on companies. He tried to basically crash Argentina's economy again when Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner was president, and he recently at a time when all of other investors of Bayer Monsanto because Bayer and Monsanto merged, they were all trying to reduce their stock because I'm sure a lot of people know following the news that Monsanto has been or Bayer rather has been in a lot of trouble over Monsanto's flagship product Roundup our glyphosate. Because there have been all these trials in the US awarding large sums of money to people who have claimed and won settlements about glyphosate causing cancer

15:02 So of course for any other investor this would not be the time to buy stock and bear but paul singer has been buying considerable stock in there at a time when everyone else is fleeing which is quite odd but when you look at his history being this quote unquote vulture capitalist, can his backing up of a lot of the politicians on very much involved in this effort of backing Juan Guaido and Juan Guaido, of course talking about the need to repeal this ban and really beef up the agricultural sector in Venezuela if he succeeds in taking Venezuela's government may suggest why Paul Singer was so interested in obtaining more stock in Bayer during this time because what we've seen in a lot of other cases

15:44 where there's been a regime change. For example, in Ukraine before 2014 there was not a lot of GMO crops and then after the coup the IMF and the World Bank basically as a stipulation in giving Ukraine's new government these loans forced Ukraine to accept biotechnology and GMO crops into its agricultural sector. So it would make sense to assume the same thing would happen in Venezuela, and it looks like that Paul Singer is already preparing to make a profit off of that which would fit with his entire history as part of his activities in managing his hedge fund which I believe is called Elliott Capital Management

16:29 Man you just know so much about this stuff and i was trying to do some reading about updates with this fight for regime change we have guaido that's the us-backed leader and then we have chavez's successor maduro And what I was reading was kind of confusing as to what's going on now. It almost seemed like just some kind of stalemate while the country just is halted, is that what's going on? Is there an update has one side won over the other I think it's more or less a stalemate. To me, it honestly looks like Maduro is holding on but they're trying to really tighten the noose of sanctions even more. You know, I haven't really been following this particularly closely in the last month because I've been so focused on this Epstein stuff right? But um... The strategy seems to be basically choke off their ability to sell their oil abroad and prevent them from receiving or importing anything and this was really crazy though because Venezuela has for the reason that I mentioned earlier

17:27 never really diversified their economy even before Chavez. They import the vast majority of their food and they import a lot of other things, and so this is causing a lot of hardship in Venezuela. In Latin America there's a lot of Venezuelan people from Venezuela basically trying to immigrate to other countries including Chile where I live but some of the ones that I've talked to you know there are some who really hate Maduro you know, don't really care either way or even like the guy. They just um they don't want to suffer these collective punishment sanctions that ultimately punish regular civilians and not really do anything uh to target Maduro specifically because what these sanctions do is basically the strategy behind them is to make life for civilians

18:10 in the targeted country so miserable that they rise up and overthrow the government just to end the economic siege is really what it comes down too. Basically I think the US strategy is to try and tighten the noose as much as possible, wait it out and then when the time comes put Juan Guaido if they manage succeeding them but there's some many people in Venezuela that do not want the gringos to come and take over. And even if they don't like Maduro, some of them prefer him at least a Venezuelan being in power to someone they see as a puppet United States being in power. It's worth pointing out too that Juan Guaido political party which is called Popular Will or Valor Popular

18:50 it's really led, even though Juan Guaido is like sort of the interim president. The real power behind Juan Guaido and his mentor is this guy named Leopoldo Lopez and Leopoldo Lopez during this failed coup attempt earlier this year where Guaido and Lopez claimed that they had taken a military base even though they'd really didn't some people may remember that actually during that time Leopoldo Lopez told report a group of reporters that were present there for international outlets including Bloomberg and some other ones, that the plan was once Guaido and popular will is in power in Venezuela to bring in the US government as part of the government of Venezuela. Which to a lot people basically means make Venezuela a colony of United States so obviously people in Venezuela anyone that cares about national sovereignty whether they like Maduro or not may prefer Maduro to that option. Wow wow

19:42 And yes, I definitely think that this GMO politics thing is a big part of... what the American empire is doing, working on behalf of these major billion dollar multinational corporations like Monsanto and Bayer. And it obviously extends beyond Venezuela just one other detail you mentioned is that when Brazil sought to expand their biotechnology investment in 2012, Monsanto saw a 21% increase in its sales of GMO corn seed alone generating an additional billion dollars in profits for the company so this is no small thing it's not super surprising why a guy like Paul Singer would be investing in this while everyone running for the hills because he probably knows that they get their way regardless of how much bad PR out there.

20:31 And I guess one other important topic i wanted to touch on before we get into your Epstein coverage is the piece you wrote called The Trust Project, Big Media and Silicon Valley's Weaponized Algorithms' Silence Dissent. And you say given the trust projects rich get richer impact on the online news landscape it is not surprising defined that it is funded by a confluence of tech oligarchs and powerful forces with a clear stake in controlling the flow of news What can you tell us about the Trust Project and who's behind this? What worries you about this?" Okay so the trust project they describe themselves as sort of this consortium of top news companies that have basically gotten together to fight against the scourge that everyone knows about after 2016 known as fake news right. So, basically what the public face of this is like you know if your a Trust Project partner which you have to be approved by the Trust Project to become a partner not anyone can partner up with you to be chosen by them. You can put like the little T

21:33 symbol of the Trust Project on your web page for people to see, which is all nice and it tells people about the commitments you've made to newsroom transparency. You can also see in a table that The Trust Project has set up called the Newsroom Transparency Tracker but it's kind of absurd because even though they claim this is about promoting transparency what this newsroom transparency stuff actually does is it conflates actual transparency practices with simply providing the trust project like, the official policies and guidelines about their indicators specifically. So outlets like The Economist get a perfect score even though

22:17 I think a lot of your listeners will probably know who owns the economist and what that's about. So, that just kind of silly but i don't really...I think that is just public face of The Trust Project as I point out in my piece. The real power of this because The Trust Project was co-founded with head of Google News or vice president for Google News who basically the head of Google News Basically what this does is that, um... This is the private part of the Trust Project which is obviously the most powerful and less transparent part. Of this organization and basically what it does is that if you're a trust project partner and you are approved by this consortium of top mainstream media news companies You are allowed to embed

23:00 this html code are the snippets of code really that they call machine readable signals and basically what that does is that the algorithms of google facebook twitter in microsoft being you know these these big tech com, check websites on a basically prioritize your content over other content. So for example, a lot of independent media pages including the one I write for have noticed that after the 2016 election we had been censored very heavily by Facebook and by Google and by Twitter but if you manage to get one of these snippets code access to them and you get to embed it in the side of your page, it's sort of like a workaround for those same algorithms. So basically these super oppressive algorithms totally throttle the spread of information on pages that aren't partners but if your partnered and chosen by them you get basically what amounts to preferential treatment and you get your results ranked first and basically all the other independent media outlets that aren't trust project approved get bogged down this is troubling when you look not just at

24:03 that the Trust Project is nominally formed of just mainstream media outlets, but the fact that it's largely funded by Google and Facebook themselves. So it's basically this way of fighting fake news but sort of like self-funding the solution to fake news which I'll There's been a lot of criticisms of Google and Facebook, they are government contractors. A lot of these Silicon Valley pages basically deciding who is real news and who is fake news. Basically the trust project is a way of giving that type of power to these increasingly powerful Silicon Valley behemoths who have increasing ties to the military industrial complex in the United States and also, you know, the military industrial complex or intelligence communities of other countries which is quite troubling. And one

24:53 the main oligarchs there is a guy that the site I write for has criticized a whole lot and his name is Piero Midiar. He's the founder of eBay, but he's also known today as the current owner of PayPal and he also is of course known because he funds The Intercept and some other news outlets so Here are of course has a lot of deep ties to the US intelligence community get a lot of ties the obama white house and is it has consistently been up to a lot of no good i would say but basically you know basically.

25:32 It's giving the sort of tech oligarchs power to decide what is news and what is not on this is really troubling to when you consider that peter mcgarris only teamed up with bill crystal, and funded bill crystals alliance for securing democracy which basically had the sun. this russian bot dashboard it was called a hamilton sixty eight that was super on transparent and basically anything i turned on twitter the establishment didn't want to trend it would be used to blame that on alleged russian bots without proof right so this is something that here are with funding he's also finding the trust project which seems sort of contradictory, doesn't it? So there's a lot to be worried about when it comes to the trust project. And I think the only really way to get around it is trying to find out what these snippets of code are and sort of guerrilla embed them in independent media sites as sort of a workaround

26:26 Yeah, codes! Give me those codes. But I'm with you this is very important and it seems like a pretty transparent attack on alternative media Let's circle the wagons promote only the inner-circle groups And the rest will hopefully die off eventually because they can't reach the same audience without the support of The Big Five platforms Yes that's definitely a concern And I'm glad we could spend some time on it. I just wanted to make sure we talked about some of your other work because a lot of important things are happening out there even though the Jeffrey Epstein story is the most trendy and juicy,

27:01 And there are a lot of journalists trying to cover the Epstein saga and your work has definitely been catapulted to the front of the pack. It's hard work because the trail runs dark in a lot places, but why do you think your coverage of the Epstein scandal has been so popular and such a standout? What have you picked up on that maybe others have missed? Well, what I think I did is that I just took a different approach because I was personally curious about one thing in particular which had to do with Alex Acosta saying that Jeffrey Epstein had ties to intelligence. When that came out of course I was just interested in...I had planned to write a report about the history

27:41 operations conducted by the CIA or at least in the United States and so of course that's how this whole series started because I'm digging into that history i found things like expect to find which basically led me to this thread i guess you could call it and the more i pulled on it the more became apparent that jeffrey apstein really is, you know the latest iteration of an operation that has been going on for a very long time. Actually going back to really the genesis of some of the US's most well-known intelligence agencies specifically the CIA Of course which would be around the 1940s and that this really began with organized crime in the United States And of course organized crime in World War II sort of forged this alliance

28:25 with US intelligence and even though that was supposed to end after the war, as so many of these other unsavory alliances that have happened over US history. Even though they're supposed to end at a certain time they don't and they end up becoming indefinite And this is one such case So I think the fact that I just may have been the first person to find this thread in particular, which you know the beginning of this network and this operation involving sexual blackmail operations is the topic of part one of my series where i go into that a bit. And I basically trace this back to The National Crime Syndicate which was co-founded by Mayor Lansky of The Jewish Mob and Charles Lucky Luciano of The Genovese Crime Family. How that syndicate in particular got in bed with intelligence as I said

29:10 and how a lot of their associates also became involved in this type of activity, and how those same ties we see today in terms of looking at Jeffrey Epstein's connections not just to intelligence but some of his business associates who was funding him. Things like that Yes, the way you take it back is so intriguing. A big element to me is that you take it back to CIA gun and drug running and like the Iran-Contra era And you say look they were doing that but nobody was talking about the child trafficking going on in this mix too

29:48 That's definitely a third rail to all this and maybe it's kind of coming out now. It's more known about now than it was then but you can kinda take this Epstein thing right back to them, write for sure well I'm not the crazy thing about iran contra is that. Like you mentioned, this was basically when I guess you could call it the business aspect of the CIA had expanded to include arms trafficking drugs trafficking and also sex trafficking. And that, you know as I mentioned earlier with organized crime a lot of those were quote unquote businesses that used to be run by organized crime. And basically the CIA by virtue of its formal alliance with this national crime syndicate basically became the organized crime branch of the US government and a lot of its activity that we see going on in Iran-Contra reflects that pretty clearly and of course it's worth pointing out too that Iran-Contra was basically covered up

30:46 and forgotten about a lot of the people that were charged for it with really light sentences ended up being pardoned. And so because of that lack of accountability, even just looking at Iran-Contra alone has allowed not only that activity to continue but I would argue has allowed it to expand and proliferate and fully explains why someone like Jeffrey Epstein Was allowed to basically run a sexual blackmail operation involving rich and powerful people that exploited underage girls for so long you know the reason he was allowed to do this i'm able to do this for decades because it really had some sort of car and some sort of state protection. And thats why we ended up seeing alexa costa being told when he was you know, federal prosecutor in florida but he hadn't negotiate the sweetheart deal for epstein back in two thousand seven because epstein was tied to intelligence even though he was facing

31:36 you know, charges then potentially for sex trafficking of minors. Of course those charges were filed against him this year when he was arrested in July. So what happens during this period with Iran-Contra is that during the 1980's a couple of these sexual blackmail operations or pedophile rings even came to light which had not really happened much in the past and what we see though is about the ones that did get some sort of press coverage they ended up being connected Specifically they were connected to this operation that I was referencing earlier that began with organized crime when organized crime in the CIA sort of joined together first in the late forties and then,

32:19 the later iterations of that came up around in Iran-Contra. Basically, the original ring that I traced sort of this network around Jeffrey Epstein back to was first started by a man named Louis Rosensteil who was this Mayor Lansky connected very close to Mayor Lansky businessman involved in the liquor industry and his company at the time was Shin Lee Liquors and he ran a sexual blackmail operation involving underage boys out of his home. Later this expanded during the anti communist crusade and got some sort government protection, apparently at some point because it ended up involving a former director of the FBI J. Edgar Hoover who of course was well known for his penchant for blackmail and it also involved Roy Cohn who then was General Counsel to Joseph McCarthy and later became a mentor to people like President Donald Trump and Roger Stone and was very deeply connected himself to the Reagan White House

33:15 So that first began in the 1950s during this period of the Red Scare and what not, and continued well into at least the early 1980's. I assume that when Roy Cohn became really ill around 1984-1985 he stopped really engaging in those type of activities but I don't really know for sure But Roy Cohn died in 1986. But anyway, some of these other rings that came up in Iran-Contra one of the most well known ones by people that sort have looked into this sort of stuff is one that was run by this guy named Craig Spence and Craig Spence was a really prominent lobbyist in Washington mainly I believe he was mainly connected with the Republican Party and I couldn't track down exactly when he began his lobbying activities but they were in full swing by 1982 because that's when The New York Times wrote an entire profile about Spence

34:04 And a lot of the language used to describe Spence is very similar to what we see about Jeffrey Epstein. So craigspin was you know he was compared to jay gatsby from the great gatsby novel on this mysterious wealthy figure a comparison that was also made in later years with jeffrey epstein, craig spins was said to have no parties and phone book that were basically who's who of powerful people in the government and media business things like that but he was sought out by people for his connections, arguably more than what he actually knew about businesses and things like that. That he was sought out for his connections more than anything else and the main thing though is that The New York Times piece notes that he was well known for throwing these lavish parties

34:53 What had a lot of notable people attending including you know celebrities from hollywood and also senators in top military officials things like that, can he claim to be a close friend the people like richard nixon nixon's former attorney general john mitchell who actually jeffrey epstein later claimed to be personal friends with as well and some other figures but actually it came out. I think it was in 1989 from the Washington Times that Spence had been running a homosexual prostitution ring involving underage boys and that his quote-unquote clients of this ring included powerful people in government, powerful people in the military, powerful people in business, the financial world and media among other industries.

35:38 And that he had basically tried to trap people into compromising sexual encounters with these kids and he had his house bugged with a equipment, recording equipment. He had like a two-way mirror in for people that he couldn't entrap into these sexual activities. He would try and you know entrap them with cocaine and some illegal other illegal drugs So basically he was involved in acquiring blackmail and it appears that he also had ties to intelligence who may have been doing this on behalf of the CIA because Spence actually claimed that he worked for the CIA, the people that attended his parties. He told several people

36:16 knew him well that he was afraid the CIA might double cross him and kill him and make it look like a suicide. And actually, that is what happened to Spence. He was found dead in the Boston Ritz Carlton Hotel and his death was quickly ruled a suicide not unlike some of the circumstances surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's death And actually, Spence appears to have been involved to some extent in the drug running activities of the 1980s because he claimed that the cocaine that he had at his parties. He had acquired it by doing smuggling cocaine into the U.S from El Salvador and that he did that in connection with people from the US military and of course as I mentioned earlier, he claimed to be working with the CIA. Probably the most convincing evidence about Spence's ties

36:57 Two powerful politicians is the fact that he actually took some of these underage boys to the White House on midnight tours of the White House. And Spence claimed that the person who helped him arrange this was actually George Bush's senior national security advisor, Donald Gregg Who had worked in the CIA I believe from 1951 to 1982 and had worked directly under William Casey, who was the director of the CIA under Reagan. And of course William Casey was one of the people that attended Spence's blackmail parties where these underage boys were present But also Roy Cohn was there, and I just mentioned that Roy Cohn was involved in one of these activities earlier. And actually one of the people that Craig Spence claimed to be closest to before his fall from grace was Roy Cohn and he actually hosted birthday parties for Roy Cohn at his personal home and they were apparently really close so given the overlapping activities there, I would argue that there is likely some sort of connection between the two. Of course we know that Craig Spence

37:59 The investigation of his sex ring later led to the discovery of what is arguably the most well-known pedophile ring of the period, which is you know, the one that was run by Larry King out of Omaha, Nebraska and it's often just referred to as the Franklin Ring or the Franklin Scandal. Because basically by looking at Spence's finances they came across Larry King's name... Of course I'm not talking about Larry King the journalist this is some other guy for people who may be confused Basically Larry King was this Republican activist or lobbyist who was running this credit union that was basically a sham credit union and it was basically a front for this child sex abuse ring. And actually children were killed as part of it, really disturbing stuff

38:48 But basically King had a lot of connections to Iran contra type things and also the Reagan administration there were also ties to the CIA. A lot of people have reported on the franklin scandal and i'm not claiming to be an expert here but i did you know going through a lot of the research that other people done in the franklin scandal i mean it and the fact that iran contra, no network of intelligence and all these other things that develop during this time is quite compelling that we can see sort of direct line from this from the first ring talk about to here and then from these Iran Contra rings later to Jeffrey Epstein. But anyway, staying on King for a second Larry King co-founded as an example he co founded this group with this guy named David Carmen that was called Citizens For America and it actually

39:37 Sponsored speaking trips for Oliver North who was like one of the main people involved in Iran Contra and also leaders for the contra paramilitary members in Nicaragua. And David Carmen who Larry King co-founded this with he ran a public relations firm with the former head of covert operations at the CIA Max Hugel, And David Carmen's father, who was also part of this PR firm was the head of the General Services Administration under Reagan and later became an ambassador under Ronald Reagan as well. So he was definitely connected to this stuff going on in also the credit union that was a front for this company also did business with another rather suspect savings loan company that I was actually partially run by Neil Bush who is the brother George HW Bush and son of George Bush senior

40:21 So again, a lot of disturbing connections there as well. But so how does Jeffrey Epstein fit into this? Right I guess that's probably what a lot of your listeners... It's deep but yes that's probably on the minds of people Yeah um so i guess this would be a good point then to go back into uh jeffrey epstein's past and then you can see it's pretty easy to see there how he ties in with this iran contra network and how that changes moving forward I'm sorry to interrupt but on the subject of jeffrey epstein's past i just wanted to ask you about this because the last time we covered epstein in depth i definitely emphasized this story about. William bars father hired him at the dalton school and how weird that was and i had a bunch of people write me,

41:11 And they were saying you know this is not true that donald bar actually quit before he hired ebstein and i was a little upset i don't wanna be thrown out information incorrect, but now im finding so many different opinions and i just wanted to know if we're gonna talk about abstinence background maybe you could. Talk to us a little bit about that episode at the dalton school and this idea of what's your wasn't hired by donald bar because you've looked into this quite deeply Right. So it's understandable why these conflicting opinions about Donald Barr and his role with Jeffrey Epstein exist, and this can all pretty much be traced back to a report in the Daily Beast that said that Donald Barr had left was no longer headmaster of the Dalton School by the time that Jeffrey Epstein had been hired and thus was not involved in the hiring of Jeffrey Epstein we know that Donald Barr

42:01 left the Dalton School as headmaster at the end of June 1974, and that Epstein began the following semester as a math teacher I believe in September of 1974. So that is why people are saying he was not involved in hiring Epstein and it goes back to this Daily Beast report that I just mentioned but actually a week after it was published had been widely circulated and used to debunk this claim The Daily Beast actually updated this report, so anyone that is confused here I would just urge you to go back and look at the original Daily Beast report because it has been updated to no longer claim that Donald Barr did not hire Jeffrey Epstein. And this is because they got in touch with the person actually who was the interim headmaster after Donald Barr left the school and he claimed by the time he had started Jeffrey Epstein had already been hired, he had no recollection of hiring Jeffrey Epstein

42:55 And he, as well as other people that were later interviewed by the Daily Beast said that hiring decisions were made in the spring. Which would mean when hiring decisions were made in the spring Donald Barr was still headmaster right? and also other people not just interim headmaster but other people that worked at the school said that Donald Barr was well known for hiring quote unquote unconventional teachers And this means, you know basically Donald Barr's reasoning was said to have been that he felt that people who didn't have the traditional background one would expect teachers to have at this elite private school would enrich the lives and academic experience of students. Of course Epstein fits into that category because when he was hired to work in a school he didn't have a college degree

43:42 He hadn't finished his studies at university, so he was considered to be an unconventional hire. And also the New York Times did a whole article about his unconventional behavior while at the Dalton School. So let's talk about Donald Barr for a second Because the timing, you know based on what I just described seems to indicate of course Donald Barr can't confirm or deny what went on because he's dead. Right? And this was a really long time ago you know this wasn't early 70 so it you know It seems unlikely at this point that more information will come out than what i've already mentioned but we do know that Donald Barr used work for the forerunner to CIA The Office of Strategic Services which is of course is the intelligence agency that first created this formal alliance

44:25 with this organized crime syndicate that I mentioned earlier. And actually at the time in 1974 when Epstein was hired and when Donald Barr was still headmaster, William Barr his son who's the current Attorney General was working for the CIA so that point gets overlooked a little bit because there were still point in time that Epstein was hired, Donald Barr had family connections. Direct family connections to the CIA even though he had left the OSS a few decades before. Something else that's really weird too that I mentioned in my report and some other people have picked up on as well is A year before he hired Epstein, Donald Barr had an interest in science fiction and he wrote a science fiction novel called Space Relations that is about human trafficking and sexual slavery. Which is quite interesting given what we know that what Epstein was later up to and also what the CIA was actually involved in during the 1970's when Epstein was hired actually because one of things William Barr was actually involved in during this period of time that Epstein was at the Belton School

45:27 was stonewalling the church committee because he was the liaison to Congress between the CIA and Congress during the Church Committee investigation. And one of the things that he fought tooth and nail to keep coming out to the public, was the CIA's use of sexual blackmail operations targeting foreign diplomats so that's another odd connection there right? So I can understand why people are confused about the Donald Barr thing because generally when a new report comes out, a lot of people know the original report but if it's corrected or updated they don't necessarily know that right. So anyone hasn't heard or read the information I'm talking about, please go back to that Daily Beast article and read what they put out there. Because you know if you're going to buy... If you're going to promote the original claim made by this Daily Beast article it would make sense to read the update in the correction they issued

46:16 Absolutely absolutely and thanks for pointing that out because it's just a particularly important update for this audience given the way ebstein was covered in the previous show, add these things do get complicated but as you know it's not the only reason to be suspect to be skeptical about donald bar i mean the whole donald barr. Being in the shadowy network doesn't hinge on the fact that he hired abstain is got this strange book and his copy other connections to intelligence right. Right, and let's also remember too that I think one of the reasons that there has been so much pushback against this point in particular is the fact that William Barr has not recused himself from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. And people were using that point to call on him to recuse himself right? But even if it wasn't for that, William Barr if he actually cared would recuse

47:06 Just by virtue of the fact that before becoming Attorney General this time he worked at the law firm where Epstein's defense attorneys came from when the sweetheart deal was negotiated in 2007. And if you go even farther back than when he was attorney general the first time, he was involved in the cover up of Iran-Contra and justified the legality of the pardons for all these Iran-Contra figures. Of course as we just talked about right, Iran-Contra had a lot of involvement in these types of activities so that's quite... He is basically a coverup master And as I mentioned earlier, you know with the church committee he was trying to keep information from the public regarding sexual blackmail operations. So he really does not seem to be the right person to be in charge of basically overseeing these two separate Department of Justice investigations into what happened to Epstein when he was allegedly found dead in his cell

47:59 Right, right. And not to jump all over the place but I also heard another detail from one of your previous interviews that it seems like Maybe bar had made a promise to clinton or suggest the clinic if you could keep, the stuff going on in may not arkansas under wraps that he might be in line for the presidency. Yeah what's coming from former cia agent work directly all of under oliver north and was involved in this stuff going on in me no arkansas during iran contract but we can get to that in a bit when we get to the Clintons. Because really quickly I wanted to go through Jeffrey Epstein's history and after that just going into how the Clintons tie into Iran-Contra stuff as well, but since were talking about the Dalton School right? Jeffrey Epstein leaves the Dalton School under rather mysterious circumstances there is conflicting accounts of why he was let

48:50 go but he was like no he didn't leave his own accord and he ended up leaving and of course it's another quite fortuitous you know hiring luck with being hired by the elite investment bank there is turns even though he has no trading experience in a college degree in this just some math teacher right and he's hire directly by the head of their sterns himself allen greenberg and allen greenberg claim the reason he hired epstein is because i was so nice to his kids who he tutored but that seems kind of like an odd reason to hire someone, add to basically trade money for your clients at your fancy investment bank even though they have no trading experience.

49:28 Right so basically i've seen becomes a partner pretty quickly and in their stands and he again ends up leaving under a cloud of secrecy and it's not there is a again conflicting reasons given from different people why he left, But basically, Epstein's claim that he had some sort of affair with a secretary doesn't really pass the smell test because the money... He got fined or something. We know that for a fact but it was like a very small fine to leave such a high-paying job and being a partner at Bear Stearns It just didn't really seem like the real reason he left And Vicki Ward who has done a lot of reporting in the past on Jeffrey Epstein

50:09 She points to an investigation that was opened by the Security and Exchange Commission, that was opened the day before Epstein left Bear Stearns. And apparently from her research it seemed like Epstein left in connection with that investigation. What's interesting is that the allegation or rather the reason that investigation was open was because Epstein was accused...or rather Bear Stearns was accused of insider trading specifically having received information edgar brown then owner of seagrams about a tender offer that's the grandmas offering on some on some mineral corporation or mining company and so i was apparently involved in sort of insider trading aspect of their stands and appear to have left in relation to that

50:55 because the transcripts of the interviews that Epstein gave to the SEC after he'd already left Bear Stearns, the people at the SEC were really skeptical with his answers and there was some conflicting evidence. That's interesting because Bronfman, Edgar Bronfman is one of the members of the Mega Group, which was co-founded by Charles Bronfman Edgar's brother and Leslie Wexner. And we know that Leslie Wexner was one of the main financial backers of Epstein. I say financial backer because even though he is often described as a client of Epstein there's a lot evidence that Epstein wasn't actually wealthy and his wealth came from somewhere else

51:33 Client i source of money through this billionaire consulting firm was leslie wexner. Sorry just wanted to point out that less wexner i mean he's the founder and ceo of l brands which owns a lot of mall stores limited stores yeah victoria secret bath and body works express lane brian amber crumb in fish, And that's just an interesting detail that people might want to, you know think about that in your head and how trafficking relates to global shipping. And logistics operations that they have. We'll get into that we'll get into that in a second because that gets pretty crazy with how Wexner and Epstein were handling logistics for the limited in the 90s That gets really nuts so anyway he leaves Bear Stearns right? In connection with The Bromptons mega group Wexner just keep that in your brain for a little bit

52:24 Yeah. So after that, this is where Jeffrey Epstein's history gets super weird and even a lot of people in mainstream media have basically avoided this period of Epstein's life which I think is really telling but basically during this period of time Epstein described what he was doing to friends and other sources who you know, were used by other journalists reporting on Epstein like Vicki Ward and some others say that he was this financial bounty hunter is the term that's most often used to describe what he was doing. He basically claimed that he would hunt down money for powerful people in governments and he would also hide money for those same powerful people in governments. Well, that to me sounds sort of like tax evasion offshore tax shelters

53:08 We know that Epstein was involved with that even well into the 2000s. It also seems to indicate that he was involved in some sort of money laundering activity, but either way he was involved in the world of shadow finance case-in-point Few clients, named clients of Epstein during this period of time which appears to have continued from when he left Bear Stearns in 1981 to 1985 or at least between 1985 and 1987 depending on the date that he gets most closely associated with Leslie Wexner. He was involved in this world shadow finance and his only known client during this period of time was Ednand Koshoggi

53:51 And of course, Adnan Khashoggi people might know who he is more recently because he is the uncle of Jamal Khashoggi who was the guy that was you know dismembered in the embassy in Istanbul. The Saudi Embassy in Istanbul and that got a lot of media coverage right? But actually, Adnan Khashoggi main one of the main arms dealers involved in Iran contra he was an asset not just for us intelligence but also Saudi intelligence and the Mossad. And he'd been on the payroll of the of them aside several years before 1981, but by 1981 He was definitely on it in 1981 was also the year

54:28 That he began doing arms deals for iran contra and he continued that until i believe nineteen eighty five or nineteen eighty six there were several other arms dealers involved in iran contra besides ednan kashoggi but was interesting about the show is that he was considered the quote unquote banker of the arms dealers because he was the one that would move the money around, you would do the financial aspect of the arms deal so why would he hire someone like jeffrey epstein. which I think is something we might want to ask ourselves here. It's also worth pointing out too that we know that a lot of the transactions that Khashoggi was doing in relation to this sort of activity during this period of time, was through the Bank of Credit and Commerce International or BCCI which of course is notorious CIA linked bank

55:10 And it's also worth pointing out too that Bear Stearns, where Epstein had worked prior to working for Khashoggi was a broker to BCCI. So not only do we have Khashoggi connected to BCCI We have Khashoggi connected to Jeffrey Epstein and we have Jeffrey Epstein connected to Bear Stearns who is also connected to the BCCI so that to me suggests that Epstein in his capacity as shadow finance operative for Khashoggi was likely involved with some extent with BCCI as well and something really crazy about BCCI doesn't get as much coverage as its other activities because of course BCCI is most well known for money laundering, drug and arms trafficking things like that. But it was also involved in sex trafficking to an extent as well which does not get as much coverage and actually people that work for BCCI in the United Arab Emirates they would basically bribe top UAE officials by basically selling them prepubescent girls for sex

56:04 So bcci was in that sort of activity so again you know i'm as he mentioned earlier one of the undercover aspect of these types of, i would call them criminal rackets are often done a connection with intelligence on me no arms and drugs trafficking definitely happen to make it the most coverage but sex trafficking is definitely something that happens even if it passes under the radar. This is where we see you know Epstein get involved clearly involve with someone who's tied into intelligence it also worth pointing out to the Alan Greenberg who had hired Epstein at Bear Stearns was also a very close friend and associate of Roy Cohn, who we were talking about a little bit earlier. So that's another interesting tie-in there as well. Skipping ahead a little bit, after he stops and leaves this world of shadow finance it is when he teams up with Leslie Wexner. He eventually becomes Leslie Wexner's...he basically gets power of attorney for Leslie Wexner and can hire and fire people for Wexner. He basically starts managing logistics for Wexner's company L Brands

57:05 and L Brands or the limited, I forget exactly when the company changed its name. It used to be it was The Limit and then it was L Brands or something like that but anyway this is Wexner's company thats all these mall brands all these stores in the mall beginning of 1994 Epstein who's managing logistics for Wexner obviously with Wexners knowledge they start to negotiate the relocation of a company called Southern Air Transport thats based Miami Florida to Columbus Ohio The reason they want this airline to relocate is because they want them to run cargo for the limited. They want it to bring, presumably textiles from Hong Kong to Columbus and basically be the airline that runs this route for Wexner companies. The negotiations don't just involve

57:50 the limited and Southern Air Transport, they involve Ohio's government as well. Which apparently under pressure from Wexner who is one of the richest people in the entire state basically ends up convincing Ohio's government to prepare this very attractive incentive package to Southern Air Transport to get them to relocate. And actually, once they relocated in 1995 to Columbus after all the top executives at Southern Air Transport cited that incentive package a large portion of which was bankrolled by Ohio taxpayers as the reason for the relocation. What's interesting here is well is that some of the key players besides Wexner and Epstein and getting that relocation to happen are Richard Secord and Alan Fiers

58:33 Both of whom were very, very much involved with Iran Contra. Actually Alan Piers was one of the guys that was charged in connection with the Iran Contra scandal I believe he was in charge of Central America operations for the CIA during Iran Contra so that's crazy especially when you take into consideration at this period of time Southern Air Transport was the known CIA front company for Iran-Contra, the airline that was used for Iran-Contra operations. It was actually the airline used by Barry Seale to take stuff from Central America from the Contras to MENA in Arkansas at the MENA airport and back again. Out of all of the airlines in the United States during this period Epstein & Wexner seek out

59:16 the only one that is known publicly known to be a CIA cut out basically. That's really nuts and also we know too, um that at some point in the 1990s Epstein claimed he previously worked for the CIA We don't know exactly when he was claiming he worked for the CIA, whether it was in the 80's when he was involved with Khashoggi or whether it was a connection with him and Southern Air Transport. But we know that he was making those claims prior to 2001 when there was a report citing Epstein having made these claims published in London's Evening Standard that talked about different sources saying that Epstein had made this claim during this period of time

59:55 You do have such a grip on this stuff and there are so many different concentric rings of criminals and cabals. Yeah, it's nuts! It is it is so nuts and I just really appreciate the work you've done This has been really awesome I think you have a real knack for this kind of work And I hope people follow what you're doing after this and maybe we should give them the links Of course MintPressNews.com But is there anything else to give the people? Social media platforms you're most active on. I mean, you've done a great couple of podcasts too! Sure i'm well on the podcast for mid press news just a minute cast it's currently on hiatus so all that people know when social media and of course meant presses pages on social media will let people know when that is functioning again, i have been in facebook jail since like april they don't let me post any links on my author page so i just kinda gave up on facebook so i mostly use twitter you can follow me at underscore whitney web.

1:00:51 on there and because I'm in Facebook jail, that's the platform. I am most active on right now. Well great it was a real treat to have you here. I'm glad we could highlight just a fantastic journalist like yourself keep doing what you do There's definitely more to talk about hopefully we can do it again in the future but stay Stay vigilant and be careful out there Thanks sounds good to me. I'd love to be back on Ho ho ho, sweet baby Jesus! Hell of a show. Hell of a show. Really happy to get this one out and what? You thought we were only gonna talk about Jeffrey Epstein once?! Come on don't be silly...of course not but big thanks to Whitney Webb for her excellent research and really great recall

1:01:38 i know a lot of people were sending me her articles and i think even gordon posted one, yeah we might read shred a little ground here but we have enough new threads that it's gonna be well worth it. So i really appreciate your time i know she was running on fumes because so many people have been trying to interviewer it's not as easy for thc to just push away the front of that line is it was six years ago number of podcasts probably doubles every year, and we know higher side chats is good but how someone in her position supposed now whatever we did it and it isn't instant classic as far as i'm concerned.

1:02:21 You could probably tell as we got to the 30-45 minute mark that I was really trying to push us through the saga, To get to some of the Clinton threads. Because our show with Recluse was so heavy on the Trump Bar Cone Threads And I really wanted to get to the other side of things But we all know about Bill Clinton and the Mana Arkansas Airport smuggling Although i've never heard anybody incorporate this third rail of human trafficking into that context. That i can remember so that was important and educational i was really intrigued by the leslie wexner thread with southern air transport,

1:03:08 And here's a weird bit of Greg Carlwood history for you, and it probably means nothing. But one of the many stores that Les Wexner owns is Express! When i moved from saint louis to columbia missouri where the colleges my friends mom had to ask around her corporate retail network to find a store in columbia they would hire me because i had no resume or experience and i just wanted to live in the college town with my friends without actually going to college cuz i just dropped out so She worked her magic and found me a job as the stockroom manager at Express, because Express was not going to put me on the floor. Especially then because I wasn't Express appropriate and was actually probably pretty anti-Express but beggars can't beat choosers right?

1:04:02 Well as the stockroom manager i would handle the shipments and I remember expecting a big nice semi truck to pull up to the loading dock and it would be this big official professional thing but when I actually got shipments, It was way more casual than I thought. It was three guys in a regular pickup truck who didn't speak English tossing me boxes out of the back And I always thought that was kind of strange. It's not easy to find people who don't speak English in the middle of Missouri first off, but it seemed quite amateur you know? I'd see these FedEx and UPS guys bringing in the carts and delivering to all the other stores But on this stressed out 19 year old behind-the-building shouting That's for Express right?! Okay! Uh... key a key here? See see

1:04:59 very little documentation for the process and i would think so did we get every box we were supposed to get I have no idea. Not a big deal probably not even relevant it was just, i'm guessing some cheap subcontractor but it was the oddest shipping situation in the columbia mall and i was in charge of it and the owner of the company is apparently mixed up in some pretty sketchy shipping related scandals But anyway, I am glad that we got to talk about a lot more than just the Epstein case though. I've made a few comments over the last couple of months or so about how i wanted to get our focus to be A bit more diverse? Or international in scope And if you check out the interviews Whitney's been doing at least the ones that I've heard it's 100% Epstein and I get it That's trendy and obviously extremely interesting

1:05:55 But i saw the other articles that she's written and I just thought wow these are really important to, and more unique so let's start there. Actually think we could do a whole show on this economic hitman stuff going on in the realm of controlling the world food supply enforcing them to convert to GMO or else overthrowing their government Obviously it's an old tactic, the government working on behalf of corporations getting them in to plunder resources and take over local distribution like the old Jaquita Banana scandal right? But this is a lot worse because they're trying to remove organic alternatives from the whole planet it seems. Attacking countries that start seed banks I mean what the hell is going on here

1:06:43 We talked about it with Joseph Farrell last time, I believe in the Plus show. And we got to talk about it today at the beginning and I think its big enough issue to warrant more shows! Crazy stuff but Im feeling good just really happy with where the new site is now that the kinks are all worked out. Im really proud of these show offerings in August and September and just really psyched about the future. It is a great time to sign up for PLUS, the new website is gonna treat you right and we got a great lineup coming! In this extended interview with Whitney we talked about crossing the line between Democrat and Republican as well as CIA, Mossad, MI6... When you say a guy works for intelligence can you really peg him into just one of these organizations? I don't think so

1:07:34 And we really hit the Lexner-Epstein connections hard and deep in that second hour. Talked about Lynn Forrester de Rothschild's surprising interest in Jeffrey Epstein, the state of the investigation now that Epstein has died, Whitney's thoughts on the New Mexico ranch and Epstein's master race plan... We also got into the controversial but possible prospect that Epstein is still alive—that he was extracted rather than murdered questions about if the international investigations might yield better results than the ones carried out in the United States, and also how connected to the blackmail network Trump might be. And has the Trump administration really done anything differently politically? At least anything of conspiratorial significance? Lots of stuff that I think is worth your time but you'd be the judge sign up at TheHigherSideChats.com

1:08:33 I guess the only real higher side news is that the joint session this month is going to be on the 25th, 7pm Pacific. And I will be in Portland this week hanging with Gordon White and Austin Koppik. I think there are three different meetups? And I should be at all three what do I got to do so let's burn a few down right Really psyched to get a little vacation, hang with some colleagues, hang with some listeners potentially and just get away from the computer screen because August was rough. I think we all know August was rough for me can't talk about it forever but still fresh the wounds are still fresh

1:09:15 But alright, life's not so bad I'm gonna get out of here. Maybe i'll see you in Portland people! Thanks again to Whitney Webb let her know THC is the place that she should be checking in with once in a while because there are plenty of great shows that I think we could do and I'll catch you next time your move nefarious multinational trafficking operators blackmail network bastards and capstone cabals who have built their houses on nothing but sand Your fucking move. You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not! You should tape the mail slot

1:10:17 And baby if I seem withdrawn, let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that the trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan. It's what the world has become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends

1:11:10 They'll suck out everything from you in the end And if for some reason you think I might be wrong, I wonder where you got that opinion from You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause' I just don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just the game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know

1:12:00 You're better keeping on your own cause you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da Da da da da da da da You might think that these problems are small Or maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull

1:13:00 Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It isn't You can only trust yourself Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself