Tim Swartz | The Inner Earth, Antarctica, & Conspiracy Goodness

00:05 That's true, Dr. Seuss! Alright, Hiresite Chatters. Anyone who's been a fan of conspiracy lore has seen quite a few explosive stories over the years from deep state sagas like the Philadelphia Experiment and Montauk Project to the Roswell Crash and Operation High Jump... And it's hard to know exactly where the truth lies in these tales

01:01 But it's obvious that there is a lot going on behind the scenes and we are stuck grasping at the few straws that have wiggled loose from the nefarious elite nearly ironclad quarantine. Well, I hope you're hungry for it people because today were taking a big hearty bowl of that oh so good conspiracy soup with generous portions of both education and speculation cooked up by today's guest Tim Swartz. Tim is an Emmy award winning television producer videographer and the author or co-author of many many books with titles like The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla, Evil Agenda of the Secret Government, Time Travel a How-To Guide, Richard Shaver Reality Of The Inner Earth, Admiral Byrd's secret journey beyond the poles and evil empire of ETs and Ultra Terrestrials just to name a few. And with titles like that you know we're going to have a good time so let's get this party started! A legend in his own right, the Casey Kasem of conspiracy classics Tim my man welcome to the higher side

01:56 Why, thank you very much. Greg it's a pleasure to be with you today! Yeah man as I mentioned you've written or been apart of too many great books to name and i've heard you talk about even more during radio appearances and to me you and the guys you write with the crew you run with represent kinda the old school researchers that really introduced me to a lot these conspiracy staples in stories on coast-to-coast in those early years and your writing but I am really psyched to have here and kick this off Everyone here knows I really love the hollow earth idea and the possibility of inner-earth civilizations Of course, you wrote Admiral Byrd's secret journey beyond the poles Which is a book of yours. I've spent probably most time with but it is about so much more than just The admiral bird story, of course that is a good one But there's actually a huge corpus of material and stories and mythologies from around the world related to Inner worlds and this hollow earth idea doesn't just rely on operation high jump does it?

02:54 No, definitely not. When i was commissioned to write the admiral bird book, really felt it would've been remiss not to also go into the whole hollow earth mythology because. The idea that there is another world beneath our feet has been with us in myths and legends probably from the very beginning you know if u look at Practically any society and civilizations creation yes they have people either coming from the stars or coming from. Underneath your phone caves are holes are something along those lines so when it comes to the hollow earth mythology. They play an important factor within our

03:52 Really, how we developed as humans it plays an important role just as much as the idea that you know We were brought here by aliens from other planets. Mm-hmm And yeah, and when you dig into it You know a lot of bright minds have considered that the earth could be hollow in your book. You mentioned 17th century astronomer and mathematician Sir Edmund Haley who calculated the orbit of Halley's Comet? Also German scientist half the nations Kircher would be another one Is there anything else we could say about bright minds who found this possibility worth exploring or had this belief? Oh

04:30 What you know you have to understand also that in the times of say like when he was. Working on his concept and his concept was that the earth is almost like, Russian nesting dolls. It had spheres within spheres within spheres. These were the early days of geology and trying to understand how the Earth was made up here in modern times, we have supposedly I mean, I'll take their word for it a better understanding on how the Earth is made

05:06 Just the fact that they're able to use earthquakes. Who determined what certain layers of the planet are made up of you know it's just absolutely fascinating so, when u look back at some of these early conceptions of the earth and possibility that i could be hollow before you have taken mine that we didn't have a really great understanding of just how planets were formed and how our planet is made up. But I need to point out also, Greg that by no means do we have a perfect understanding

05:45 What's underneath our feet we need that we got a general idea but we've never been able to go much further than say i think maybe three five miles because the deepest that we have managed to. dig down so there's still a lot of unknown factors when it comes to understanding what's inside our planet. Good points and also it's fair to say that what's known isn't necessarily whats given out to the masses either. Well, thats true You know, when I first became interested in the whole Hollow Earth mythology. Gosh, that was one of the first things I really became interested in besides say UFOs and ghosts and things like that. One of the first books I ever bought just wildly enough happened to be a book written by Timothy Green Beckley who I work with quite a bit now

06:46 and his book was about the hollow earth and richard shaver zero mysteries and so i mean you know i got off to a restart. You know on this kind of stuff really early on and you don't, The concept that the planet is hollow, say like an eggshell. That we live on the surface and then the crust is maybe 500 to 1,000 miles thick And then the rest of it is hollow with maybe a sun in the center and continents and water people and animals living on the inside I'm less inclined now to believe that but more inclined

07:30 to accept the idea that the earth is crisscross at various levels with tunnels and vast caverns, more along the lines of Journey To The Center Of The Earth by Jules Verne rather than, I don't know if you're familiar with these books but Edgar Rice Burroughs, the guy who wrote Tarzan he wrote a series on adventure books called the Pellucidar Series. And his Pellucidar is You know the old concept like i was talking about a hollow earth. There's a sun in the center and there is no people and prehistoric animals living there are openings in north and south poles that people can get in and out, if you ever read these books I highly recommend my high recommended listeners reading as well because

08:21 He really, I mean obviously Burroughs did his research for his days. These books were written in like maybe the 1920's 1930's that sort of thing so all of the myths and legends about the hollow earth are included in his books and are really just a good treaty to read if you want to know about some of these early 20th century ideas of the hollow earth Since I went off on a wild ramble here, you said whether or not some of this knowledge about how the worth may be kept secret from us. That is a possibility. I do think that it is being kept from us that there are underground areas that more along the lines like I said of tunnels and vast caverns

09:14 Some of them may actually have people living there that broke away from the human race a long time ago and kind of created their own civilization. You know, maybe people that are basically homo sapiens or maybe cousins still within the hominid line but not quite homo sapiens like we are. Information like that yes definitely I think is probably being kept secret from us Really the most exciting thing about the hollow earth idea is just the idea that there's unexplored lands or unknown peoples on the earth are in the Earth that we don't know so yeah I'm pretty impartial to if it's more like a giant ant farm

09:57 Or an actual hollow cavity, but I still do hold out hope for that. Hollow cavity thought I mean, I guess they say when John Quincy Adams was president he got really swept up in the idea and apparently he approved an expedition to explore the inner earth And some say that was a major reason He only served one term because other people weren't necessarily on board Congress wasn't on board But I've also been told these Smithsonian is They say its original mission statement was related to displaying artifacts from this expedition that they say never happened. So I guess it played a pretty decent role in people's minds in the past, and I also tend to think what is true for one celestial body should be true for all of them to an extent

10:43 When they crashed that thing into the moon it rang like a bell and apparently Mars Moon Phobos seems to be hollow And there is speculation that both of those things could just be ancient alien space bases, so maybe they aren't necessarily Satellites or celestial bodies like the rest of them But they are intriguing ideas well that you have taken consideration Is the moon a natural object right? Because there's been talk for a long time, considering how large the Earth moon is in comparison to other moons.

11:25 and their planets. You know, of course Jupiter has moons that are almost as big as some of our smaller planets but you look at the size in comparison to Jupiter and these moons and the Earth-moon system is just wildly out of proportion in comparison with the rest of the solar system I mean it's almost a binary planet system If the orbits were a little bit different, it would be a binary planet system. But the idea that the moon is hollow was brought about by several Russian astronomers back in the early 1960s and then when you have like we said when they crashed some of the spent boosters from the Saturn V rockets onto the surface of the moon it did seem to indicate that there's something unusual about the composition

12:16 of the moon, possibly. Some people have said that the moon was actually like a giant spaceship that brought us here to this planet from some place else, or maybe it's a death star. Like a spent death star? I love it! Yeah, I don't necessarily believe that concept but considering how unusual the moon is in comparison with the other moons of the solar system The way that it is perfectly set up That when it crosses the disk of the sun It creates a perfect solar eclipse I mean, things like that to me...

12:59 seem to be beyond coincidence. It seems to be planned for what reason, I don't know but that's just one of many examples that you know that i have found over the years concerning our planets and the moon other planets universe in general that makes me think there is more going on than a lot of our scientists are letting on Possibly, they don't realize it themselves because most scientists nowadays are materialist and anything that seems to counteract that idea they're naturally going to shut down and not listen to it. And of course any scientist who are interested in this kind of stuff they kinda treat like a hobby and don't tell anybody else about it

13:54 Because that's a great way to lose your tenure or any future funding if your peers ever find out you're interested in some of this fringe material so to speak. Yes, cheers for that and it is tough to know exactly what elements to put stock into but it does seem like we are just living on one the gears of the great cosmic grandfather clock You also mention in the book Marshall B. Gardner, he's a scientist who spent two decades studying the aurora borealis and he said that he was convinced it came from light from inside the earth I think that is a provocative clue of course the holes are fairly heavily guarded and you know there is all that speculation we can't get there We can actually see holes but we can see the aurora borealis It is interesting do you put any stock on this idea or not so much?

14:48 Not so much. I mean, I do accept the conventional idea that the aurora borealis is, you know, the result of solar winds interacting with Earth's magnetic field. However there was an interesting picture that came out a few years ago of Antarctica and this was satellite picture and it seemed to show these southern lights coming out what appeared to be rather large opening not quite as large say like A polar opening has been supposed by theorists on hollow earth, but still like a large cave and it seemed to show this electrified light coming out of it.

15:34 So, whether or not it's a situation where you're seeing say like an inner sun being reflected off of the polar ice. Something like that is probably a little simplistic I think however considering the way that the planet is wrapped with all kinds of electrical fields, fields of radiation and things like that. If you do have openings some kind that lead into the interior of the planet more than likely your going to find that these lines a force will also move in and out these openings and of course when you have these highly

16:25 magnetic and electrified fields of force surrounding the planet, any interaction with the Sun and other cosmic forces is going to create different kinds of lighting patterns. Whether it's like the electrified gases like this aurora borealis or something along those lines of fields of radiation even So, I mean, I think that it is a possibility but the idea that's like said by the inner sun is reflecting off the ice. That is probably less likely than some of these other ideas that are just put forth

17:04 Fair enough. Well, you're speaking my language and I also wanted to ask you about this person Dr. Wendy Lockwood She wrote a piece that is actually chapter 9 in your book and one provocative quote from that chapter is where she says that NASA certainly knows about the northern entrance to the hollow earth And I suspect HAARP may be directed at seeking ways to penetrate those inner worlds which Is a provocative idea I never considered that harp could somehow be related. A lot of people also, especially in the legends and the mythology consider anything under the umbrella inner earth they considered almost like a more of a spiritual place of some type but I just thought that was really interesting. I've heard a lot of thoughts about what harp could be never have i heard it you know talked about in that way but I also bring her up because I went to our website and there isn't really a ton there except for a few articles and a logo that looks a lot like

18:01 Many secret society logos, but it has a hollow earth on it and it says contact dr. Wendy Lockwood if you'd like to know more about the web of light mystery school and The site seemed like it was connected to yours or Timothy Beckley's site But I just super provocative to me can you tell us anything more about her or this mystery school in particular? Oh Yes, well I should say that Dr. Lockwood – I haven't heard from her in quite a while. Gosh! I mean the last time that I spoke with her was probably about five or six years ago and at that time she was not in the best of health so you know what? I don't want to go on air and say she's possibly passed on because I don't know for sure

18:49 but that could be the situation. And you're absolutely correct, Dr Lockwood used to be a writer for Tim Beckley. She wrote articles for his old magazines and some chapters for some of his early books and her teachings are more along the metaphysical lines and her ideas Say like a hollow earth and places you like that tend to be her idea is that they tend to be more on a. Spiritual or other dimensional realm she thinks that there are physical entrances,

19:36 to the hollow earth but that after you go say like a certain distance then you actually are no longer in this sphere of reality. That, you know, your in a different plane existence and she speculates that all planets in our solar system or not just our solar system probably throughout the universe Maybe operate alone along the same ways that there is a connection to these other spheres of reality through these underground entrances. Almost to the point where say like if you would go to say mars and when find one of these underground entrances, you would go basically to. The same reality as you what if he found the same type of cave entrance on the planet earth it's almost like you know every portion of

20:33 the real universe, the physical universe no matter where you are that there are entrances to these other dimensional states of reality anywhere that you go in this universe. You would end up in same place I don't know if I'm making myself clear or not. Yeah portals basically yeah yeah that's basically it but you know its a... you would just do no matter where you would go with this universe you'd always emerge in the same place and whatever these other dimensional realms are. So, you know I mean it's an interesting theory and another aspect of this that is interesting in my opinion is that... And I don't know if you're familiar with this writer but there was a guy by the name of T. Lobzing Rampa who wrote a number of books about Tibet and Tibetan mysticism especially back in the 1950s and he continued to write

21:31 into the 1960s as well but he claimed that he lived as a Buddhist monk and was born in Tibet and was brought into like a secret society? I mean, it's part of Tibetan-Nepalese Buddhist tradition but it goes a lot deeper into the mystical aspects of this Eastern philosophy. And one of the things that he wrote about was that he was taken into a cavern system in the Himalayas

22:12 And was taken into basically you know the whole or some of these huge cavern systems to the underground civilization of a garbage which is like supposedly where i like the great masters. of the world reside these are the immortal masters of the planet that basically they don't see all and that sort of thing interesting part of this was at one point he came to a portal of light and was asked to step into it when he did he found that he was on

22:53 another planet or another reality, you know I mean it's difficult to discern just exactly where he was but he didn't feel like that. He was on planet earth anymore but he felt that he was in a place that was connected to all the planets and all of the physical realms on planet earth that they all led to this one kind of like super mystical location and he was basically told by these highly evolved beans i mean these beans were involved to the point where they no longer had physical bodies there basically just like. Globes of light is your life hyper intelligence and they were told that it was mankind's function to eventually evolve to become like our concept of angels,

23:44 And that our destiny would be to evolve into kind of like the state these being are in, almost beings of pure energy. and that it would be our task to bring other life forms and intelligences to the same point. Every intelligent species in this universe or ultimate destiny is to lead others into this higher state of being which would then supposedly bring the completion of whatever the creative force of the entire multiverse is. That we're all just kind of like sparks off this creative force and that our goal is to help these other life forms achieve this end goal. So I mean, you know, Rampa's story sounds very much like Dr. Lockwood's ideas

24:39 And of course, you know Dr. Lockwood I mean she says that there are physical underground locations say under Mount Shasta that there's an actual underground city there that was built a long time ago by remnants of what we would call Lemuria which would be the Pacific version of Atlantis That was a civilization that supposedly existed, you know, maybe a million or so years ago. But then for one reason or another sank into the ocean and then the remnants of that civilization scattered across the globe and kind of seeded, helped seed civilization from their knowledge in one of these remnant cities is under Mount Shasta which is now in California

25:27 I love it. That's a great breakdown and another story from the book that is kind of related to this, that i was completely unfamiliar with apparently this guy Pythaios this Greek geographer from around 333 BC Apparently he sailed north as far north as he could through what? He called the quote congealed seas and he discovered a land. He called Thule or Thule, you know Just like the old Nazi occultist society but he said that the people there showed him the place where the Sun goes to sleep and And he wrote about the landscape as a place where land, properly speaking no longer existed nor air or water but a mixture of these things. As if it was like a marine lung in which all matter is in suspension as if this something was a link between all these elements on which one could not walk or sail and that's a helluva story man and it kind of relates to that model you were just describing

26:27 It really does and modern historians, I mean they have no doubt that this guy actually existed because of the time and you have to realize of course that His writings no longer exist but he was written about by his skeptics. The people who live in his time when he came back and told his stories, you know? He basically was ridiculed and his skeptic wrote about it. Yeah here's the crazy stories that this guy told us. That sort of thing but if you go and kind of strip away the archaic writing

27:06 and ideas that they had at the time, he basically was probably one of the first in Greek or Western, early Western society to discover the northern polar regions. Naturally you know you had the natives who lived up there but they didn't communicate very much say like with the ancient Greeks or anybody like that so when he went past the british isles and sail further north you know he discovered. Icebergs floating around and that the days, who shorter and you know we got to a point where during the arctic winter in all this sun either it never rose or just i think you reported that actually just kind of like

27:56 went along the horizon. It never got very high up, it just kind of rolled along the horizon and then went back down again and then during the Arctic summer it never set And so when he came back with these stories, everybody made fun of him. Like yeah right you obviously were drinking too much or whatever but he did like we said brought back the story of the land of Thule add a few look at some of the other apologies especially you say like german apology says alot about. And then some of the more northern races that live still i can't norway and finland even some of the people's that live in siberia they have these similar stories

28:51 of the land that exists extremely far north to the point where it almost seems like it's no longer part of a regular planet. The Inuits, of North America you know their creation mythology has it that they came from a land from the far north where the sun never set and it was always warm and there was abundance of food a pretty nice environment which always makes me wonder why did they leave, you know to then live in arctic wasteland so to speak. But if you look at almost any of these peoples that live in the far northern climates they all have very similar stories originally coming from land perpetual daylight and warmer conditions

29:47 Then they live in now, which again that goes back to this whole idea of the hollow earth with center sun because if you have a sun that is suspended gravitationally in the center of the planet it's never going to set. So your going to be living in a place where its perpetual daylight and probably tropical environments where, you know it's always warm until you start getting to the more northern areas of the sphere or north or south regions. There's a gentleman by Dr. Brook Agnes, he has done some really excellent research I think on this whole idea and you know science postulates that the core of the planet is made up of like highly compressed nickel and steel and iron to the point where it's almost completely different element because it's so condensed by the pressures in the planet

30:47 And Dr. Agnew, I mean he suggests that the interior of the planet could be hollow and that this nickel-iron core or the planet scientists love to talk about could actually be this internal sun and there is a pretty good sized cavity at center of the planet But that are seismic readings that we use to deduce what the interior of the planet is made up, is partially an error because I guess as he puts it some of these seismic readings. The evidence that they come out with

31:28 seen the same type of material that they are ladies in the center of the planet could also be statistically show to be an open area rather than a crustal formation before you get to the island core. So he says that the evidence shows that it could be one way or the other and of course naturally, he likes to think that it shows there's a hollow cavity down here. Oh yeah! Brooks is great! He was our previous guest, one my favorites to talk about Hollow Earth but sorry go ahead No no no I mean he's a great guy You know he has done some really good research along these lines

32:09 And so, I was just going to add that naturally you know I've never been down there. So you know I can't say for sure one way or the other. That's true You know I just offer the theories and my own ideas based on these theories and I always leave it up to readers or listeners to make up their own minds of the matter. Maybe one of these days if we are able to get down there will be able to prove it one way or another What's the way to do it and you're talking about legends and even the legend of santa claus comes from scandinavia and this idea that a man comes from the north pole and brings.

32:49 gifts or supplies in the harshest of winter environments. I mean, that's the story that Santa we've turned it into a materialism consumer fast with all these gifts that came from dear old Saint Nick but this story itself is kind of in that vein of a guy coming from the northern most point the pole perhaps from inside and bringing supplies on notes it's definitely interesting because so many other legends indigenous people who talk about another type of being, it's always about some kind of helper in most cases. Like some kind of being that came and led them down into the earth during a cataclysm or brought supplies. So I just think that is an interesting part of modern culture that kinda harkens back to that idea

33:37 Well yeah, and you can take that a step further because the old stories of Saint Nicholas he had his companion Krampus that came with him. And Krampus was always described as being almost like a demonic type of entity and that's one of the other factors of the whole hollow inner earth stories is that not only do you have races that live down there, that are spiritually more developed than we are but it's also the abode of like devils and demons and creatures of the netherworld. The whole Richard Shaver, Gero stories

34:17 goes in that direction i mean you know the heroes who are basically the modern day equivalent of the devils and demons at love to torment us so yes you absolutely right it's very interesting how a lot of these apologies are still with us today albeit though in a kind of like sweeten fairy tale types of versions but like the modern fairytales you know if you go and trace them back you'll find that they have some realities to them and oftentimes maybe not quite so pleasant realities.

34:57 the most under-explored place on the planet, really if you discount the oceans. And you'd really drown in red tape and regulation trying to get there and it's been in a lot of alternative news lately. The Russian patriarch, the Secretary of State, and Buzz Aldrin all invited down there recently to look at something. What are your thoughts on this story? What do you think could be at the heart of this kind of provocative mystery? It's really been interesting over the past year or so how much attention has suddenly been given to antarctica like you said, i mean you had a former secretary of state john carrey and apollo eleven astronaut buzz aldrin going down there you had prince harry did he go down there in the air and then of course

35:46 Admiral Byrd, back in the 20th century. The Patriarch of Moscow like you said... What is going on down there? Boy! And we can just speculate as much as you want to and a lot people have where you go on the internet and Google up Antarctic mysteries and man you've got everything from the Nazi secret base to like I said the hollow earth i was on a show couple months ago and the host of that show really interesting idea we talked about it quite a bit then, is this an idea that you know the russians have been drilling into that lake lake boston has been covered in ice for millions of years.

36:31 It basically sealed up whatever had been around in our environment at the time that it was finally covered over with ice. And there's this speculation that possibly they discovered in that lake a life form, that for all intents and purposes would be extraterrestrial And what I mean by life form, more along the lines of say like bacteria or virus. Not like an ancient astronaut still swimming around under there in a space suit but something more along the lines of an ancient ancestor of ours but this ancient ancestor didn't originate on planet earth whatever this life form was

37:16 We are its descendants. that this lake was covered over and that Antarctica found its way to where it was. Because you have to realize, at one time Antarctica was not located in the South Pole I'm not quite sure where it was It was definitely closer to the equator at one time so it had more of a tropical environment And sometime in our ancient past there was some kind of event

37:56 Nobody really knows for sure what happened, where basically almost all life forms on this planet were killed. And that included the majority of undersea lifeforms as well and then after a relatively short period of time in geological history there was sudden explosion of life that came out of the seas but this life was extremely bizarre It didn't really resemble the previous life forms on the planet before whatever this cataclysmic event was, which has led some scientists to speculate that this new life form—and when I say new life form it was

38:41 the seed that were all descended from. All the life on the planet now descended from this new rather bizarre forms of life that emerged after this cataclysmic event, some scientists speculated that this was a cosmic event possibly Say like another son came close the edge of our solar system and disturb your clouds in comments racing into the interior of the solar system, and then bombarded earth mars venus everything and that time mars probably. Add life on it we know that i had a notion atmosphere add that when these comic barbara's blasted off chunks of the planet

39:30 which then fell to Earth. And we know that's true because we have found Martian meteorites in Antarctica, you know they stand out very clearly and of course this is from later events so it could be that the new life that arose on Earth came from Mars and that we are the Martians so-to speak! This was the idea one person suggested to me which I thought Pretty good idea because i mean i do believe in pan spain like you said the idea that universe is teaming with life and then it's probably constantly raining down on us from outer space, one form or another and the idea that we evolved.

40:18 from some of these early dustings of life is not too far-fetched to me. And considering how long that Antarctica has been frozen over, and with the warming of our climate and the melting of the Antarctic ice, some of these primitive life forms may be coming out and being revealed which could of why the sudden interest in Antarctica and why some of these people are going down there to check this out. You know, I mean hey come look at your great-great-great-great-great-great granddaddy he's down here!

40:57 Yeah, I love it. It also kind of could give some clues as to why a lot of these people are ending up sick There was a Lockheed Martin guy who got sick there was also of course Boz Aldrin but right in this same vein I took this down from Joseph Farrell's website But he wrote about this recently saying As if it couldn't possibly get any stranger there were also these stories several years ago that the Russians had found something near their installations at the vast under ice Lake Bostock where There were emergency evacuations at the time of people becoming suddenly sick. Perhaps the weirdest of all the stories was that the Saudis found something during an excavation around the Grand Mosque in Mecca, something which so terrified them that they turned it over to the Russians who promptly—so the story goes—took it to Antarctica where Patriarch Kyril performed ancient rituals over it." So that is provocative, of course!

41:52 It's just like what you were saying, something under Lake Vostok possibly an ancient virus of some type or maybe some type of ancient technology that is giving off some type a radiation because if it's just a virus I don't know why John Kerry and Buzz Aldrin need to go look at it unless it might be something a little more epic to the eye. Yeah, all of those stories with the exception of the Saudis discovering something because I don't think that they would be too inclined to give whatever they discovered The rest of us. Yeah, well yeah the rest of us infidels so to speak you know unless they just gave it to the... But then again why would they give it to the Russians? If it was discovered say like in Syria or one of these countries that is on a more friendly term with Russia because Saudi Arabia is more friendly with the United States but

42:53 Yeah, it's like I said earlier. Antarctica has not always been covered with ice and in fact A number of writers have speculated that Antarctica may have been the location of what we call Atlantis. Now, some kind of anti-Diluvian civilization that really existed long before modern civilization and it's hard to say since its now covered in almost a mile thick ice sheet

43:28 But again, like I said with the climate changing and Antarctica melting as fast as it has. It could very well be that some of the remnants of a lost civilization and when i say a lost civilization, I mean a civilization that existed more than a million years ago long before the last ice age I mean, I couldn't tell you offhand how long Antarctica has been in its current location but it's been several million years at least. So if they have uncovered remnants of some kind of lost civilization in that location we're talking about a civilization that existed supposedly long before modern man was even a gleam

44:19 And a chimpanzee's eyes. Right, and if you're going to the ancient aliens idea I mean people in that camp believe that something intelligent made us so clearly there is some kind of intelligence perhaps in the background way before us Well, you know if there was going to be the remnants of an ancient civilization Antarctica really is one of the best locations since it's been frozen for such a long period of time. I mean all across the planet we've seen possibly hints of remnants of some kind civilization that existed before the last ice age, but naturally due to erosion and other aspects most of that has long since disappeared. However Antarctica being basically frozen in stasis for so long a time this really would be an excellent location to find remnants if they actually existed of previous possibly higher

45:18 Technological civilization that lived on this planet before we did i am a firm believer that we are not the only. technologically advanced civilization that has existed on this planet. I think that humans are probably a lot older than archaeologists give us credit for, we're just now really discovering how many sub species of humans have existed over the millions i mean we just recently discovered that soviet you know it's a parent we seems to be an offshoot of the end of the house, everyone had no idea they existed but what would discover that tiny finger bone in a cave in siberia and got the dna out of it. You know we discovered that there are still people on this planet

46:14 that have the genetic leftovers from this race, you know still in our genetic makeup. So I mean to me it's not inconceivable that humans or human subspecies arose a lot longer on this planet back than we care to think about and that Homo sapiens sapiens is just really...I mean were just newcomers Who knows what kind of, and I better say hominid because I guess I'm a little biased along those lines. But I suppose it's not inconceivable that

46:51 other intelligent species could have evolved on this planet long before we did that weren't necessarily hominids. I know a lot of people will be like, oh it's just crazy talk but you know i mean given the way that time works and that evolution works and the whole creative process in life works...I mean it's not inconceivable that some of the first intelligent technological base civilizations on this planet may not necessarily have been human as we think of humans. Right, yeah no it's very very conceivable and of course the further you go back there is going to be diminishing returns for what you can actually unearth so who knows how far back things go? And another great story you wrote about in the details up that book is

47:42 the caves in Malta and I found that so interesting. Can you tell us about what was found when they followed these caves and tunnels down as far as they did? Oh, gosh! I think you'll have to remind me I can, so you know you have to realize Greg that a lot of these books I mean...I write them and then you know I go on to like different books. So I may not remember all the details. Of course well apparently some men were digging a well fell into the earth found a cave system that opened up into multiple chambers and they found it was underneath Neolithic village

48:19 And based on the stone carvings at the entrance to this lower section, once they got down in there they believed that occasionally a human sacrifice was chained to the entrance every so often. I guess there's some kind of indications of that but then Down even deeper they cleared out 30,000 skeletons from a passageway and found old cave art murals behind them and deeper still you find what was called the Oracle. A hole in the wall that when you would speak into it carried your voice throughout all of these caves in the theory was that someone was using this

48:55 amplification to maybe scare the villagers into offering sacrifices or maybe tell them when they needed to bring one otherwise they were gonna have trouble but if you go even further down from there, there was another room that had a stone altar in the center and beds carved into the walls and in these little bed sections were little enclaves where people's heads would go or their feet would go and the indications was that these beings were four feet tall, some even smaller. And then it opens up into natural caves which nobody knows how far that goes but I thought that was a pretty amazing story. I even looked at pictures of the Maltese cave art and yeah its really interesting and almost is

49:42 parallel story to the idea of fairy folk underground or some kind of smaller being underground like coming up and stealing people and maybe they worked out some kinda King Kong arrangement where they just give them a person once in awhile to save themselves from trouble but I love that story. Well, Malta is also the location of some very interesting roadways that seem to go out into the water They start out on land And going out into the ocean so either these were. Boat docs of some kind though it's unusual because he's roads but also crisscrossed the island and then eventually lead out in to see you leading some people speculate that is what's left of

50:29 A larger land again harking back to the Atlantis idea. And of course, I mean we give the idea of Atlantis anymore to really any kind of land that has sunk beneath the ocean. But if you look, I mean you'll see that all across the globe there's indications of this but now maybe nothing more than just a little island poking out from the ocean at one time used to be something that was land mass that was a lot larger but the whole Malta cavern situation is something that you'll also see in other locations around the globe. I mean, there are almost exactly the same types of situations where you will have layer upon layer of caverns with the oldest ones being the deepest and some of these deepest caverns seem to show some kind of human or whatever type of activity possibly even before the last ice age

51:31 which, you know again according to modern science before that I mean humans were really nothing more than just brutes running around knocking each other on the head with rocks. No way having the sophistication to carve out these sophisticated cavern systems that we're finding in not only Malta but in other locations and you pointed out the idea that these caverns were acoustically perfect to the point where it secret location you could talk quietly and it would echo throughout the entire system almost like a prehistoric PA system there's other locations you know there is a location in

52:16 New england i think it's in the american stonehenge where they have found some of these underground structures that if you go to a certain location speak quietly your voice can be heard throughout this limited area. Again where seems to me that he had somebody like maybe yeah like a priest system, what guide the population for one reason or another by pretending to be spirits or gods, or what have you. And that seems to me the situation that is going on in Malta. Some have speculated that you had these ancient locations say like Malta or Egypt are even this fairly recently discovered

53:06 discovered location in Turkey, where they've discovered these really sophisticated megalithic structures and carvings that go really to the very... It seems to be the very beginning of mankind. And even a little bit past from what we thought we knew where there seems to have been maybe an outside influence going on from, you know... And again I mean you have the ancient astronaut theorists who say that extraterrestrials from other planets came here and taught our early ancestors the ways of civilization by either pretending to be gods or just doing what they would. We just interpreted them as gods

53:54 Or it could be where you have remnants of an even earlier technological civilization that for one reason or another was destroyed, died or what have you. And that's you had like the small groups of survivors that were scattered across the globe and then kind of restarted civilization from these locations and i mean Egypt, Malta, places like in China, South America. Places like that seem to be seeds. That's really a good way to describe it. They're seed points where civilization restarted and then spread across the globe

54:42 So, you know I suppose it's a matter of interpretation whether or not if you believe in ancient astronauts or ancient aliens. You know whether these seed points were brought about by visitors from other planets or we're talking about remnants I will pass civilization kind of laying the groundwork for a new civilization i'm not discounting, yeah idea of ancient aliens are you should ask nuts i think that is good possibility but possibly that was something bad happened a lot further back then some of these more.

55:18 And I say modern, what do you mean modern? I mean just right after the last ice age. But you know i do think that we have been visited in the past and probably still are by ancient aliens I just think that some of these places, like Malta that you were referring to could actually be starting points or restarting points of survivors of a past but now destroyed technological civilization. Man, Tim I could do this all day but that pretty much does bring us to the finish line. The world is full of weirdness and you are doing your damnedest to tell the people about it. I love it! Let them know where they can get more Tim Swartz in their life. Definitely well if you want to read any my books all you have to do is just go to Amazon type in Tim R. Swartz s-w-a-r-t-z and every book I think that I've ever been involved with will show up

56:19 My website is conspiracyjournal.com, at that location you can subscribe to my free email newsletter it comes out once a week it's an aggregate of all the weird stories that I've run across or have been sent to me by many stringers throughout the world You can get it by email or through the RSS feeds. It's all the strange and weird news that they don't want you to know! Love it, man! Very cool! Well, it has been a real pleasure for me. Thanks so much for being here and keep fighting the good fight out there! Thank you Greg, it has been a pleasure with be with you today.

57:05 Alright, alright people. Going back to that good old non-partisan weird stuff 101 Big thanks to Tim he's been in the game for a long time probably responsible for introducing me to more than a couple things over the years If you didn't like this one, you are too fucking serious. Nah I don't care, you can not like this one if you want to but i thought it was good fun These are some of my favorite areas of speculation inner earth stuff antarctica stuff that description of the caves in malta And I would love, actually to visit that area of the world. I've been thinking about this a lot lately and i got really the perfect trip. I think the move is to fly into Portugal where the drugs are legal just to get the vacation started then you're so close to Spain go over to the coast where I hear the weather makes it Europe San Diego

57:56 Then you fly across that water, so picturesque. Have a few glasses of wine and you arrive in Rome You do Rome for a few days, you see that Colosseum and you are so close to Malta... ...You hop over, check those caves, holler in that wall hole then ladies & gentlemen go to Egypt because it's not far And when you gotta get home, your flight out of Europe it leaves from Greece. So you make that Egypt-Greece trip and think about the old days...huh? I think that's a great two weeks! If anybody is free this fall let's start the Hireside Travel Group and if it goes well our next journey will be to find those poles ladies & gentlemen just to see

58:41 Antarctica, you know it's always on my mind. This is a little something to add to the pile along with Cliff High from a few weeks back so I'm a happy man If you listen to the show regularly, you know that every show is actually two hours and I put the first hour out for free hoping that you'll like it. Hoping that you'll think man this guy does phenomenal interviews and i just don't know what my life would be like if I didn't have this great show and this great resource of amazing authors lecturers and researchers on the most fringe topics known to man What would I do?

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