THC 99: Alexx Bollen | Occultism, Chaos Magick, & The THC Tarot Forecast

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01:40 How's it going freaks and geeks? You know me drinking little drinks smoking a little smoke sinking into my altered state here in sunny San Diego Just trying to not go one toke over the line. I'm Greg Carlwood And today we're talking chaos magic Egyptian mystery schools occult knowledge rituals invocations and even a tarot reading from today's guest Alex Boleyn But it's gonna get too weird for me to go it alone and that's why my lifelong friend and occasional co-host Kyle Pruneville is here to make sure we don't open the gates of Hades. Kyle, my man what's good with you? Oh man I'm excited for this episode all this stuff is right up my alley And I'm a very disparate researcher Right look at this shit from all these different angles and so This guy seems like in the same vein Yeah man It's been awhile since we did this I think maybe Duncan Trussell was the last show We did together if I'm not mistaken

02:36 Yeah, it's been since January. I love that one that you added a lot to that conversation that I couldn't have invaluable contributions as one might assume at this point But I've talked to quite a few guests since then and Stephen Greer Michael Cremo Richard Sautter Michael Rupert Etc. I mean are there any comments You'd like to make about anything that struck a chord with you in the last few episodes since we've been able to talk Whoa well i listen to every single one and I very much enjoy them so it's hard to pick a favorite. It's kind of like asking about the best child but, I would have to say the Michael Cremo

03:15 That one I really, really enjoyed. To make it even more specific he was saying this thing about how we're taught in school that we are just material beings and that we always need more materials to make us happy and happiness is like necessitates more consumerism and that he says there's this whole other school of thought which we're coming around to now that isn't taught in school, which is we are spiritual beings and it's all about refinement of consciousness or refinement of your own awareness being able to notice your own patterns than that of other people. I thought that was really cool Yeah, actually got a few emails that were right in line with what you're talking about so I guess that struck a chord with a couple people

04:01 But let's talk about some current events, man. I mean so many people are asking me about the big two stories that are out there right now The Ukrainian situation and the missing flight 370 I figured we could do a little shucking and jiving on these two stories provide a 2-man less calculated version of a higher education segment But what does this Ukraine situation look like to you? Because to me it seems like a textbook case of a covertly Western-fueled revolution that resulted in, surprise! A new puppet government that wanted to join the European Union and take huge loans from the World Bank and Western banks they could never repay. Putting them in debt forever... The trick of any good crime boss but

04:42 This time Russia said, hold on now we see what you did here. We don't recognize the authority of this new bullshit leadership that you sponsored. We're going to go reclaim this chunk of land that's historically been more aligned with us Is that kind of how you see it? That is how I see it! Once you figure out that the finance and loans and world banking are so at the root of all of this It always is if you follow the money You alway find out that the banking is involved At every level But let me tell you, I've talked with a lot of people who. have no idea about what you're talking about, about the Blackwater types from the US inciting this. Like they've never heard about this. They've never heard anything about Al Qaeda being more than meets the eye but I think like to me and you in their conspiracy media like on Veterans Today that they talk about this is all common knowledge we've seen this pattern so many times that when there's protesters a lot of times

05:44 Specialized military or former like mercenary types being paid to start some serious shit. Yeah, it's messed up It's definitely part of the plan that to do it in secret But I mean once you get wind of it one or two times You started see the pattern and then every conflict that starts to be your go-to you're like hey Does this fit that mold and nine out of ten times? It does they're saying there was a huge vote I guess Yesterday well we don't know when this is gonna come out but there's a huge vote where where they essentially in Crimea voted to join with Russia, a huge majority. And there's actually like marketing campaigns that say don't vote with the neo-Nazis votes to be part of Russia

06:26 And so it was a lot of people were saying to that. It was like neo-Nazi groups that incited all this overthrow to begin with, So it's very, very interesting that Russia would step in and draw a line in the sand and to get more on the THC side of things. It's very interesting as well that it came out that the oldest pyramid in the world is underground in Crimea specifically What is that about? I know man, it might be like the greatest archaeological find ever because these pyramids are supposed to date back to 65 million years. That's dinosaur time man! So now that we know the dinosaurs were a lot more advanced than we previously thought... ...I just can't help but think that the two stories are somehow related you know and i actually printed out this little piece from intellihub that gives some greater details and kind of fuels that fire bit. I wanted to read some of this to you

07:25 Based on the reports out of the region, in August 2012 a local scientist discovered the world's oldest pyramids found to have been built during the era of dinosaurs. Although the discovery was made by mistake as the man was merely scouting for water clues if an entire new realm were open Interestingly enough the underground pyramid which measures to be about 147 feet in height and 236 feet across at the base is also said to contain the mummified remains of an unknown humanoid creature that measures about 4 or 6 inches in height, which might tie into the Sirius documentary. It might even tie into Freeman's theory that these elite bloodlines are cloning people with DNA from these ancient mummies but

08:05 Anyway, reports also state that they located 37 other pyramids that exist on the Crimean peninsula that are said to have been constructed at the same time suggesting a previous civilization may have been wiped out by massive meteor impact as some scientists have always speculated. It has also been reported that three of the structures are giving off very specific frequencies. In fact, a forum reported back in July 2006, we found extremely strong formations which include ancient protein, liquid glass, gravel and much more. It's clearly a man-made pyramid and it does radiate specific energies at certain periods

08:42 They don't really elaborate on that, on what exactly that means but that's kind of in line with Michael Tellinger's talks about these weird rings and I want to say Africa that he's found these weird rings of stone that emit some type of frequencies. Adams calendar? Yeah, that's what it talked about well then shockingly last Sunday it was reported by MSN that a UFO was spotted over the Ukraine peninsula of Crimea as well so You know, is this all related? This also ties into the theory that UFOs pop up during times of superpower conflict because they don't want us to fucking kill ourselves. Real interesting... real interesting that Crimea

09:30 It is real interesting and some people have claimed that, oh isn't this a broader plot where Putin is just playing the bad guy and he's working his way into World War 3. But I feel like for sure we had our close calls with World War 3 or whatever you want to call it basically Israel instigating a war drawing in all these different factions But they tried to do it in Iran and it kind of didn't really happen. They tried to start something with Libya, with Syria... It just has not really come to a head and then they tried to instigate somebody tried to instigate some shenanigans in the Ukraine but Russia I feel like was very disciplined very

10:17 totally within their rights. And the US were the only ones who called for sanctions and thought that like this was some terrible thing, but in the whole geopolitical scale we have no allies France Germany The UK nobody said that Russia deserves sanctions for this so it's like nobody was really admitting Russia did anything wrong and then you get what the people want oh the people the majority wants to just join Russia So you start to feel like, well what's really happened here? Who is really at fault and the media tried really hard with all this Cold War propaganda bullshit that they're re-merging putting it back on the screen but it just didn't happen. I don't think people in the US view Russia as a big threat. I don't think Putin is trying to drive towards war actually he's trying to drive towards civility and stability

11:14 I don't know if you read Benjamin Fulford of course there's this alliance with between Russia and China primarily and others a whole list of others who basically don't want Zionist bankers to control the world forever and ever with debt money. And so it seems to be a conflict between Russia perhaps others against perhaps the banking cartels, and their puppet governments which are like the US military a lot of times and Israel, of course. Right? And it's... It is tough to know I mean there's a tendency

11:54 Well, there's a couple tendencies. There's one to think that we are the good guys just because we live here you know patriotism and all that but once you see through that there's still an inclination to think good guy bad guy then it's like well if were the bad guys than they're the good guys but not necessarily people who have amassed this much power have done some nefarious things I'm just convinced of that so i mean we're really talking about a play between the crypts in the bloods They're probably both criminals That's very nuanced point And that's again something that the people who I talk to, who don't know anything about what is really going on with Crimea. What is really going on? They just want to look the other way

12:36 And speaking of looking the other way, everybody's paying attention to The Missing Flight. I have an inclination that it is a distraction story. There was a conspiracy about four out of the five patent holders on this certain patent being on the plane and that the fifth one happens to be a member of the Rothschild family but then a few days later i saw more articles circulating that that was a hoax But again, the way the world of journalism is infected with disinfo makes it hard to tell if the initial story was true or if the debunking was true. And the truth is just so far removed for us that it wouldn't surprise me people say oh well two of those names aren't on the official record of who's on the plane okay we do not think a member

13:18 the global elite could take those names off the record if they so wanted. It looks to me like two people with fake passports are on the plane, so how do you even know who's on that plane? If there even is a plane... Who knows! We could be looking at a Wag The Dog situation It's just weird. Well, yeah once they all start all the news networks are focusing on a particular story and they're like talking about it all the time and like getting the specs and graphics out in all these charts and bullshit it just is like what are we talking about here? But I don't know anything about the story except that every time i think about it, I just think about the electronic fog from the Bermuda Triangle episode. Yeah man! I'm like they- The fucking plane got in some electronic fog and went through a whirlpool Right And its back there building the pyramids that they're now discovering in Crimea on a different timeline That's how it all ties together It seems clear as day to me I dont know what everybody else is talking about With that said our guest is ready

16:34 Alright folks, we know that secret societies underground orders Hollywood and even the goddamn Parker Brothers have taken an interest in the unseen forces behind occult magic and rituals whether it be conjuring of long established archetypes The use of ancient symbols and talismans fortune-telling or even fortune willing I have often sought some of the answers Of my own curiosities in these arts And I wonder if they yield any real power are merely long held superstitions While our culture has carefully convinced the mainstream that these are not the droids we're looking for, I have to say that examining corporate logos and power within secret societies and rumors of bizarre invocations behind closed doors at some world's largest industries has me thinking I might be the one who is left in the dark.

17:16 Well, not only is today's guest a real treat. He's the goddamn creme brulee of occult knowledge and I'm hoping he can illuminate my ignorant mind on the real power of the dark arts His name is Alex Boleyn host at The Alex Cast author of two published works A novel by the title of Periphery and a collection of shorter works called The Void Sutras He's been studying the occult in esoteric longer than I've been studying anything And Kyle and I can't wait to hear from him Alex my man how the hell are ya? Well, thank you very much for the kind intro. Yeah man I'm psyched to have you here these topics have always been of interest to me but it's hard to separate the truth from fiction even on the simple stuff these days so areas of such complexity are filled with even more ignorance bias and gullibility So i'm hoping you can help us cut through some of that

18:00 I suppose to start us out, give us a little history of this stuff. How did humanity stumble upon some of this esoteric information that we consider under the umbrella of occult these days? Because it doesn't seem to be that easy to sense on your own. Yeah...I like to start from Egypt which pretty much all ancient cultures would agree with me on that one but Essentially, I mean look it started this way a cult just means hidden that's what the word means. Right. Yeah so everything kind of traces back to the Egyptian mystery schools of the cult of Serapis and all those i'm sure you've heard those terms before the bull cults and all that stuff and essentially it was just these hidden learnings that came out of Egypt

18:51 It depends on which way you want to take it, whether you think there's a grain of truth in it or any truth in it. Or just kind of mysticism or make believe but they figured out essentially early on these I guess you wanna call it occult or esoteric to them it was just science and reality concepts the sacred mathematics geometry the idea how to get your soul into the afterlife These are all kind of the concept of their world view and because it was this hidden secret knowledge in some of it was quite useful like the quote on what sacred geometry will. Yeah the secret you're just a lot of like mystical aspects to it but that's also the same job tree they built the fucking pyramids so there were two dealing with kind of two sides to very odd coin where we're dealing with simultaneously got the mystical nature of

19:43 Like these are the objects that can create the universe and the macabre we're kind of tetrahedral shape it's supposed to be there. The footprint of god on the universe but what about also missing thing teaches you kinda levers and sleds to help me know put up. Put a pyramid together so the knowledge is hidden in one way like the recipe to coca cola is hitting now because they know how to build appearance why share that knowledge so you start getting this idea where its A combination of hidden for practical reasons like the coca cola recipe and then hit him for mystical reasons because. It's cool to have it in stuff you got your though you're the holders of this secret knowledge another people see that i want to learn and. You start adopting other people when do you get these kind of structured learning institutions almost in that's the egyptian mystery schools and depending on which way you wanna take a from there thats where pretty much everything starts blossoming out i mean if u wanna take a

20:46 If you want to take not too many liberties, you can explain all of the cults that exist now from there. From Freemasonry to the Illuminati to I mean everything like the New Age movement we can all go back to those kind of original thinkers who was originally came up with stuff back in ancient Egypt and if you believe in the antediluvian civilization theory, maybe they were just holders of a knowledge from a previous generation. But right? Yeah that gets super weird so I just stick with Egypt it does get pretty weird that's kind of what i was going to ask you about because I like the weird stuff but uh the lore seems to be that the information comes from Thoth or Hermes which I guess are the same archetype just different names for the same person

21:34 Yeah her name is just a great game of her me i'm gonna say murder the name every time it's her mistress mcgastus so thrice great hermes. You wrote the three grade learning session writing arithmetic and. whatever the third one is. Right, it seems kind of like a parallel to the more modern Mormon story of a guy who finds a couple of tablets and has all this information on I guess they're called um... The Emerald Tablets Yeah it just seems a little weird. What do we know about though? Is he a real person was he considered to be even human No, he was an Egyptian God. His old name is Duhuti. I'm again horribly pronouncing it but Thoth is like the worst mispronunciation ever like so the Egyptian name is Duhuti which is like DW Ahootie and when it goes to Greek it somehow becomes Tehootie and then becomes Tehoot and then becomes Thoth

22:31 Which is it i know what sounds weird but linguistically you can look at and trace it down i mean i cant see people with phd's in their name tell me that thats a legitimate thing to do. And he was the god of learning and writing and architecture all the good smart stuff He's a he's got the other has ahead of and like this i think it is where we say that. You receive those play doctor mass that's what those head look like or he's got ahead of a monkey for whatever they have around there you got two different forms but yeah he's a god in i don't think he's one of his gods supposed to be based on our real person i think she's just purely a god construct is not like a

23:18 You like one of those guys that like oh well he used to rule in the ancient times I think he's one of those dudes that supposed to be just purely from the heavens showed up gave us some stuff not. Not a myth built on top an actual person Right. See, that's what's interesting to me like I love all those ancient myths and the old stories of secret human history extending far beyond what's conventional but it is really tough to know or...I mean probably never know if there is any truth in any of it or what's believable? It all seems like it could be made up but then at the same time what's interesting about the Thoth story as opposed to say Jesus is that there are actual

24:02 information, like the sacred geometry. Actual knowledge given. So here's a group of people who seem to have knowledge that surpassed the people around them and they claim that it came from here so it seems a little odd because there... That almost backs up the fact that it could have really came from some other type of being. Yeah, it's interesting or you know the other side is whether That, you know that Atlantean Lemurian Mu Antediluvian old school really old human thing. But somehow Egypt was the recipient of their knowledge so it's not anything kind of extraterrestrial or anything like that its just purely in the same way that the occult likes to hide where they get stuff they like to mythologize things if they were recipients of this old knowledge

24:53 They hit it well and it became part of the it became myth instead of being just we have memory that like. I'm stressing to remember who was one of the more than greeks came over and who's got a geometry in greece, Oh, he's the guy who studied in the ancient mystery schools and came back. Yeah like they do that invented geometry essentially what's his name Pythagoras Pythagoras thank you He says he talked to one of the priests there and the priest essentially said You know laughed at him saying like you don't know shit about human history Like you Greeks? You know you don't know what you're talking about And that he had The priest said he has all the records Of this civilization That came before them

25:36 And I you know who knows how true the story is but it's a story that gets passed down that the baggers was told us that. You know the priest there who i don't know his name out of every news name in his name is recorded somewhere other than priest name. That he said flat out we are the receivers of old knowledge there was a civilization before us and thats where we get this from Yeah, man. I actually just did a show...a few episodes back with the guy named Rand Flemmoth and he kind of paralleled that story with Plato that Plato got his Atlantis information from talking to some person who was involved in a religious institution who basically laughed at him and said, Plato you don't know shit let me break this down for you or i think there was another person involved it was little bit of telephone but that's how we came to get that information

26:23 in a parallel way. So it's kind of interesting. Yeah, those are I know both the stories and who knows how much they kind of overlap with each other and you know kind of interplay with each other? Yeah that's um the one you're referencing is Plato's grandfather that told him about Atlantis in the first place and his grandfather spoke to a priest in Egypt and got the same story The one that I heard originally was Pythagoras, but again it's one of those things where when you're so far removed is like a give me telephone. That could be just the same story and it just gets mutated depending on who's the teller and who's the receiver there's another interesting facet about Plato because he wrote a dialogue that Socrates had were basically Socrates is demonstrating that this slave boy

27:15 able to do geometry. He's essentially teaching him geometry just by asking simple things, just asking him simple questions and the ultimate point of this dialogue is Socrates has this theory that essentially all learning is just remembering that this boy knew how to do this he doesn't it just needed to be coaxed out of them so this is really similar to ancient knowledge somehow being passed on to us too, that the whole concept of Hermes or Thoth. That this was laying around waiting for us to come around to it so like us learning it is kind of us inheriting it or us remembering it

27:55 So it does ring of something prior, but once you get into how the gods are really like personifications of motivating powers or archetypal beings that apply- Like you can be Thothlike in your life. Then it gets a lot more interesting. Yeah, there's the platonic ideas that he called it forms so like ideas were just forms that could be almost kind of as plucked from a tree so they're pre-existing things that could be grabbed and then brought into existence So like um... The iPhone existed in ancient Greece It's just there was no way to pluck that from you know from whatever You know There's no way to get that form down

28:34 But, which is interesting because this is one of those things again a worldwide kind of belief that's very related to the kind of Akashic records kind of thing. That does Hindu you know Indian beliefs have and essentially there is this field of knowledge that everything's available through an if you can kind of attenuate yourself to it you can get into that field then essentially grab any knowledge you want Which changes it from actually literal transmission of knowledge from a previous culture to all knowledge already exists and it takes the enlightened people to get to the knowledge. Which is very much the occult tradition or the kind of initiatory right tradition, really just any spiritual tradition

29:18 unburdening yourself enough so that you become, in Buddhism it's a bodhisattva where essentially you become like a Buddha but then stay on the earth to help people. The Hinduism has the same thing where if you kind of free yourself from the cycle birth and rebirth, moksha, you can get out of that and kind of essentially become this ascended master to use a new age term. And these ideas keep Recycling in on themselves across history so who knows if it's true and on the other side you can look at it as psychology is to union subconscious that what we're connecting to just simply the way our brains are formed.

29:57 We, because we're pattern makers. We tend to make similar patterns because our brains are so similar to each other's. Yeah I mean the idea that where that the knowledge is there kind of floating in the ether for us to pluck out it kind of goes in line with a lot of other things. I mean it manifests today sort of an artist who talk about The Muse they say when they get out of their own way the creativity is inspired and hits them like you know hit some like fire and they don't know where it came from And that kind of is in line with the same thing. I mean, maybe that opens you up and in some form or some fashion to be a conduit for some of this information out of the ether? Who knows? Yeah, let's see. That's the stuff that I love about kind of the cult tradition is whether you want to do like Ram Dass has the book Be Here Now which is kind of what your reference in Zen tradition just being in the moment and

30:51 That's what i like about tarot that's what I like about kind of like I do you can update your chaos magic like I like the ritual of it to kind of. or at least a free-form virtualization of it to get, to kind of force you to get out of your way. Like it's almost like seeing forcing a shiny object that the side of your vision so go oh something shiny and you're not thinking directly on the topic. Hmm see that's interesting I because I have that problem all the time like I have I can't concentrate to meditate uh sometimes I sit down to write and I just can't get off social media I just get distracted I'm I'm a mess man, i'm a real mess. But... Oh I hear you that's fine trust me I just admitted being a chaos magician like I know like I try to find anything to get myself into that state that you know the flow state or the zone or whatever you want to call it but whether or not that psychological or spiritual whether your

31:43 you know, downloading from some source consciousness Akashic field something or you've just kind of gotten into your actual subconscious and you've kind of maximized the way your brain can work. I don't particularly care either way like if i have to say a prayer to some arcane god and it gets me to write you know 1000 words that day I don't care if the God's listening or just my brain got tricked into thinking something. Right, who cares about placebo effect? Yeah the results happened so beautiful! I'll wipe my hands and keep walking Exactly i'm with you on that but give me some of those tricks that you've learned from chaos magic to help you get there because I think that that's such a key

32:26 accomplishment really for getting into some of this stuff and letting your creativity flow. It's pretty important, and I have such a problem with it. I'm sure there are audience members who do as well. What are some of those tricks you've learned from Chaos Magic? Well um...it is more just the entire concept of Chaos Magic of intention over reality. And this goes actually before Chaos Magic as well but that what you're doing is kind I don't want to say, I hate using such like kind of masculine forceful language because i don't view it that way but it is kind of imposing your will on the universe as some of the phrases people use. I don't like that! The thing is you're a universe creator like we're all experiencing the universe from our own completely flawed machine and we're in control of this machine so we can control the reality that we perceive via whatever magical

33:19 uses you find magical feeling. You know, so if you think you need a full druidic robe and candles or whatever... If that works for you it works and Chaos Magic kind of allows for that And So if you can convince yourself like like Chaos Magic one of the main things is sigil making which I don't know if you ever talked to chaos magician on the show but uh I mean essentially Chaos magic goes It's starts from this guy called uh uh Osman Spare in Probably about 1900, he's about the same era as Crowley. And he is a mystical artist and writer and thinker or whatever. So he comes up with the idea of sigil work so essentially what you do is write down your intention on a piece of paper say I am very good writer

34:13 You write that down and you focus on it. You will that sentence into being, and then using various tricks a lot of people like you erase every letter that's repeating. You erase all the vowels or some form to get it smaller, and then essentially you take those letters and kind of make a magical symbol out of it like you put the Y in the F on top of each other and then make a circle for the C Kind of form an actual you know a talisman and the idea is that you're focusing on it, and you're imbuing it with. You know by their magical or psychological power in the act of this literally changes the universe to be I am now a better writer by making the city work doing the city work so interesting so but whether not that's psychological or actual magical again for me I don't care because they doesn't matter like its that's just

35:09 Because i'm the creator of my universe it doesn't matter if its magical or psychological, I am still the brain viewing the universe so whatever result is the result. Right that's interesting because you're embedding your intent and wonder if that's the modality of some of these corporations, some of these huge corporations that have strange esoteric symbolism in their corporate logos. I wonder if they operate in the same way? If they manifest their intent onto this ancient symbol and it's been modernized and hidden And then thus they have a successful corporation. I don't know! Well, absolutely because when they use the symbol they use the exact same symbol all the time across-the-board that symbol means Coca Cola or whatever it is so the repetition the ritualization of this specific symbol

36:04 It's not just like they're saying, they're advertising all sorts of different ways. No they choose one symbol like the BMW or Audi four rings or whatever it happens to be The L for Lexus and then every time you see that it triggers Lexus so and every time that successfully happens they've entrained more people into what this symbol means thus empowering the sigil further And that's kind of the whole thing. It is imbued with all this energy and all these thoughts that people have about it, it kind of triggers that in you when you see the Lexus symbol because everybody else has all these preconceived notions about the Lexus symbol. Yeah certainly yeah that's- A lot of people take it that way whether or not

36:50 Conscious or unconscious if you look on the negative side if you looking that's why hitler took the swastika. I mean there was a ancient eastern symbol for eternity and luck and whatever what he did was flip it in use it as his own but because its already had 1000 years of power imbued into it, You know it's so you can't distance yourself from me because we all know where what happened in World War 2 but if you look at that symbol like if you look at swastika, that is a powerful symbol. Like its fucking vibrating with something. It could be psychological or magical but I mean that is imbued with a significant amount of power and this case unfortunately negative power

37:31 Hitler and his group, they were all occult magicians. I mean the whole lot of them were lousy with people doing weird ritual work and right there it's... They found the sigil and imbued it with power and super successful! I mean they lost obviously but the imbuing that symbol with power is you know successful. Right? It is weird to see the... To ascribe the rise of power to the symbol because when we think Nazi that's like the first thing that comes to mind and I actually went One of those out in the desert kind of festival things and they had a meditation area. And in that area,

38:10 was filled with swastikas. And I was like, man you know the damage is done guys you gotta give this one up because it's too embedded with negativity at this point but it is interesting cause the Nazis seem to have lost on the surface but Project Paperclip brought all of the major players into the United States and our covert organization so I'm wondering sometimes if they didn't really quote unquote lose or maybe its not quite as simple just a loss ya know? That is, I don't know if you saw recently those documents that came out that purport the Hitler made it to Argentina and the government was aware of this. Yes So I mean that whole Roger Pager clip thing one Yeah, that's pretty obvious like we split the We split the scientists down the middle with Russia and the next thing in now we have a space race like yeah

38:59 There's something going on there that, yeah. That whole well did they lose thing does get into the question and then we find out Hitler wasn't even dead right? Yeah like oh maybe maybe there is a little bit more to this it almost seems like they had nowhere else to go you know it almost seemed like an exit strategy because their power was so overt if there was the only way to cover it back up is to go dark History is definitely rewritten by the winners and people who want to keep things secret in the United States would Definitely fall into the category of wanting to keep some secrets. Yeah, I don't know much you know about this but I was just gonna kind of chime in about The occult being so involved with what the Nazis were doing as you said But also with the rocket program post You know project paperclip with Jack Parsons the guy who designed

39:51 throw a rock or tree, like it had something to do with that. Yeah it had to do with the pentagram shape specifically and he was known to read the hymn of Pan and be part of the OTO and very interested in Karelian ideas... And how that ties in with all the space project stuff? That's a real interesting connection to me Yeah, he was friends with Crowley. Like they knew each other. They were they have correspondences that you can look at it's there I mean the name of the early programs like Gemini and um There's another geminis the twins of course Um which has a bunch of you know kind of ritual cult significance Not not one that i can kind of go into off the top my head but essentially the idea of duality and It's pretty obvious The Apollo is the god Apollo And you know from the greek mythos

40:37 It's a lot of the references in the naming system have occult significance. And then if you look at the iconography for each mission, they're just chock full of occult symbols like you see like The Rising Star, uh, The Pentagram thing I forget what it was but yeah, remember there is a pentagram like, interspersed with the early JPL stuff. I can't remember what it is off the top of my head but if you look at any of those early pictures they're all like retelling of... there's one that's like the uh.. You can see the story of Prometheus on one their patches on the side of an astronaut suit and then you see this guy grabbing a fire and kind of giving the middle finger to the gods with it which is like well what the hell are you doing? What is this doing on a government funded

41:26 space program, you know. This is... It is really strange I mean this isn't one of those we're just trying to find a conspiracy where one doesn't exist like Jack Parsons was an occultist these are occult symbols that's that's a tough one to shake off You know? That's it. That's legit thing. I'm with you man! We can look at some of these successful organizations and see that they had roots in the occult in some way Yet when I meet people in my waking life usually that are into mysticism or magic say at a conference They seem to be the most gullible or awkward Usually lonely and broke people that are barely keeping things together And it makes me doubt that there's any real power there because it doesn't seem to be helping them now if I found out Mark Zuckerberg, or LeBron James Or George Clooney has been practicing occultist then. I'd be like well fuck I guess I should get my shit together there You know It's like

42:23 It's really tough to figure out. Like when I see organizations, they seem to be using it and they're successful but yet individuals today...I don't know. They seem to be-it doesn't seem to be helping them all that much in life. Can you speak to that at all? Yeah! I mean on some stuff sure. If you look at Bohemian Grove, you know that place in California where they worship Moloch. Those are practicing occultists and those are presidents and biggest pop stars ever so Right there, I'm really bad at modern music but who's the 99 problems guy? Jay-Z. Oh Jay Z yeah! Jay Z is he's throwing up the Illuminati eye like all of his that he calls himself Hova for Jehovah like he drops ridiculous references to Gnostic mass like he's dropping a cult symbolism and on his shirts on his album covers so

43:18 Obviously, I shouldn't say obviously but it seems to me that he's some form of practicing a cultist or at least knows how to use the symbolism of cultism. To get across his message and from what i've heard and I know almost nothing about modern music but He seems to be rather popular and very wealthy so there is an example Yeah its just weird are people on individual level like maybe Like, for example I subscribe to the subreddit Occult and I check out what they're doing every so often. And they don't seem to be... it doesn't seem to be helping them or improving their life and i'm curious because on some it does. So are they just not doing it right? It's tough to know unless you're sitting there watching them. Well also the idea is that you're not really supposed to talk about it too. There's that aspect of if you get something from these works

44:14 It's not like you're supposed to dance around the street saying it worked, it worked. Here is my secret because that kind of breaks the spell. It's almost on a psychological level equivalent when your friend tells you he's writing a novel and that just means 99% that he's never finishing that book. And I think magical works are in the same way where more people talk about it and I'll even throw myself into this and i kind of, I'm kind of not forced into it but I do a podcast so uh. It's kind of tough for me not to talk about everything because I need something to talk about but A lot of magicians don't talk about because it just kind of like part of the mysticism of it you know? It breaks the spell to say um

45:04 You know my magical works work ok i made a luck sigil about 2 months ago. Cause I just didn't, basically had no money and did a sigil like really could use some luck and put it in my wallet that night and won 600 bucks at kino bar. Damn! No, that's obviously could be confirmation bias. Right? Because it's the one time it worked, It's the time I remember I forgotten all the other times it didn't work hypothetically but that's not something this is first time I've said that to anybody but as an example, that's two months I didn't say anything because I don't know which just kind of part of it is you don't say it so

45:48 I think the people you hear talking about are the ones that it's not working for because they're talking about it or, you know vice versa. Right? I agree there seems to be a trickster element in play It's weird man tell me about a little more of your experiences and experiments in this realm of study. Have you successfully invoked any entities or tapped into some seemingly supernatural energies or anything like that really confirmed for you that there is some power behind this outside of the example you just gave? Yes and no. I don't do the invocation or stuff because, it's kind of hard to word but essentially i like the freeform nature of chaos magic, chaos work. I like kinda the brute force psychic style of magical practice

46:44 I like being able to just kind of impose my will. Not in a, again, I don't mean impose but I like kind of inventing my reality is the way that I liked it more. Not in a rapey way? Yeah exactly which is that's why hate using that term because it is like I'm raping the universe so no I mean I'm viewing the universe with rose colored glasses you know um but So invoking something to me kind of yeah there's like a line that I do not want to cross on a certain way where its Invoking something kind of almost calls it into being, which means that I have to do like a ton more study to find all the aspects of the thing that I'm trying to call into being. And then you get stuck in this kind of causal loop of... The next thing you know, you have to read 40-something books to get one summoning or something and frankly, I've other things to do. So I just don't mess with that because of the amount of study that's involved with it but since I've been doing more

47:44 kind of occult weird things. I talked about this on my show, i don't know if you listened to that one but...I had a couple instances where, I mean to put it bluntly like some kind of Egyptian thing talked to me while meditating. Yeah! I actually did listen to that and was hoping you would tell us a little bit about that. I think the audience and Kyle would find it pretty interesting. Yeah so when I was reading the first book The Void Sutras take a shot people in the audience um So I was reading The Void Sutra's I was trying to just kind of get something creative going so i was doing this thing like automatic drawing essentially it's kind of like automatic writing but, I would just you know put a pen down and just kind of space out and draw what I draw. And I'm just drawing random crap and uh... You can find the picture if you find it's actually episode 146 so go to AlexCast.com look at 146 I think I put the picture there If not ill re-upload it But uh

48:38 So I drew this picture and it's kind of an Egyptian motif, and it's you know just kind of...I'm not a good artist but it's just like a hippo looking guy standing in a boat. And there is little Prometheus dude holding some fire on the ship. It's all well and good. There are letters above that says Mer-ka-ba which anybody who has been into sacred geometries is aware of a Merkaba. Well I wasn't! I had never heard that word before In fact i just looked at and said oh look syllables and just left the drawing in my sketchbook until probably a year or two later as watching.

49:17 I think I was watching the Spirit Science, a really fun YouTube series. Interesting series yeah i've talked to them before on the show interesting Yeah they're fun um really good like surface level not surface level really good introduction to a lot of this weird stuff but they did The Sacred Geometries and they said uh they were talking about the Merkabah and it's like oh that thing like tetrahedron and they're showing how it lines up to you know how the proportions of man and how its the sacred proportions all this stuff And in the back my head why does that word sound familiar to me? And just something clicked, I'm like wait a fucking second. So I essentially dashed to my sketchbook and was like wait! I wrote that word down before i knew that word? Like it's in my book this is proof. I wrote the word down before I knew it. You remembered it from the ether Yeah which is weird and In my kind of more sciencey brain I went okay well It's possible I had heard this before

50:12 I don't know how, because honestly the sacred geometry like... ...I didn't realize how kind of sacred the sacred geometry was. I just thought it was a Pythagoras thing whereas they were just kind of hiding the secrets of you know how to figure out the hypotenuse so i never bothered to look into it So once I found out that it's actually kinda sacred and I'm like oh! That's what they mean? Oh cool now I have to research it. So.. ..I can imagine that had run into that word before but still you know I could write off But uh In October I was trying to, I experiment a lot with trying to essentially get out of my body like astral projection or you know lucid dreaming and travel and stuff like that. To mixed results uh i've lucid dreamed a whole bunch of times but I can never do it on purpose all that well you know just kind of that same thing just kind of accidentally in a dream you go oh shit I'm dreaming! And its fun but uh...I was really trying to figure out how to get into my body in a meditative state so

51:10 I had my good studio headphones on and had like those binaural beats, you know that's supposed to change your brain chemistry. So i was trying to get really deep. Theoretically if there is no law enforcement listening I may have an edible something. And um...I got super deep like I was really really in some kind of altered meditative state I don't mean altered state because of any kind of drug interaction. I just, I point that out because again...I like to be fair you know? I believe in the warts and all theory so it's possible i heard Merck above before and as possible I just had a strong dose and invented something. I don't think that's true but I like to put it out there but uh so I'm super deep

51:56 And I see these two kind of faces, a kind of through the darkness. Not really almost like a coalescent shape. I equated it to if you ever saw The Electric Company that old show where they had the two faces and one said like hell and the other one said oh hello! If you're old did you know what i'm talking about? But it's kinda that look...and there was few things they started not talking but transmitting knowledge almost And I had essentially gone there to kind of like ask for help because you know, in my life have dealt with severe depression and I was trying to figure out a way out. That's what most spiritual practices try to do is prove yourself get better or whatever and I guess somebody heard me or my subconscious heard me because this thing appeared to me these two things one didn't name itself the other made herself known as being Sekhmet which

52:56 I ended up having to look up which is an Egyptian goddess, which that one I'm not giving any kind of weirdness too. Pretty sure I knew that name it just didn't ring familiar at the time but i was also deep in a meditative state so wasn't trying to think of it but she essentially said like oh you know it's going to get better you know? It's coming soon you know the work you've been doing... You're going to get some kind of dividends and um I was like oh you know that's cool! And It's hard to word because it is not a verbal conversation that is happening. This is an exchange of some kind of ideas, platonic forms and I essentially asked in there's no way to word as politely as I did in my thought form

53:41 Look, I've been trying a lot of stuff for like a really long time. Could you maybe give me some proof? Like if you could like I know I'm asking a lot but seriously I've been carrying a big weight just the smallest little bit evidence." And she essentially said yeah! You know I can do that so um essentially the thing that made itself aware is Sekhmet said in three or eleven months you will receive some kind of deliverance from this and I was cool with it and the proof is you'll meet somebody tonight called Tracy Like, oh that's weird but OK and the vibe I got was not so much that Tracy had anything to do with my life. It was just like it's almost you will see a black cat walk across your path or something just to nod yeah? You'll see a cool looking rock on the corner.

54:28 So I went to, after you know sorry finished meditating you know whatever and um i wrote down I'll meet Tracy on my little you know my little notebook that I keep. And so I go to the bar that I like to hang out at later that night and I was telling my friend about it and I noticed this girl there playing pinball and not particularly attractive nothing nothing noticeable about her just a regular chick for some reason she just kept sticking in my head She seems familiar like it's almost like that the girl that can i second give me the nod to select when it wasn't so much that is still just a weird thing so. She goes up and orders drink and im friends with bartender so i was like hey just just weird question, is there no back at him all table they just ordered sick yeah what's her name and she got oh its tracy

55:19 What the? So it's like, again I wrote this down. Like so I freak out not freak out but you have no idea how fucking weird this is and I was like all sit here someone drive to my house I'll give you my keys You can pick up that piece of paper It says Tracy on it There's no way for me to fake this And of course we didn't do that because That's obviously not proof But he was still really exciting and uh He's again as one of those things where it's hard for me even Because I can explain most things, like try to...I want to get a psychological explanation along with the mystical one because you know. I have to live in reality and pay taxes so I don't want to go completely nuts but this is one of those things where it's..I don't know how to explain it just as psychology like that's pretty straightforward. I asked for proof from something thats outside my ken. It provided proof and within hours it was delivered

56:15 It's hard for me to find a way to get that to be just subconscious. Yeah man, I thought that story was really interesting it's just weird i mean i know a lot of people get those little stories of personal validation that don't really translate or have much meaning to other people it seems to be a very personal experience and there is really no way around that but What advantage does that give someone in life? You know, to be familiar with all this occult knowledge. To speak to it and then to get some validation that it's there... It's like great! It's acknowledged but how does that improve one's life because it takes a lot of time and dedication to really understand the occult you would think that there would be uh a greater payoff well for me that's

57:05 On a personal level, that's one of the better payoffs I can ask for is my great concern and I mean this on a purely flawed human level. I was raised Catholic so huge amounts of guilt in me. And my big thing is the fight between as I refer to it the entropic meat sack and being something beyond just flesh that dies and consciousness snaps and goes away I can't imagine a universe that's more unfair and horrible than one in which we just when the lights turn out it's out and nothing happens anymore like you know the newtonian just when we die, we died there's nothing else. Literally to me the worst thing i can picture ever like its thats the most horrible ever but also

57:56 I mean, I come from kind of a science-y background. Not that we've really touched on it or that we should because I've insulted science a million times but... That's the one that makes sense like really my logical brain says well yeah you just die and it's over there's you know you don't see ghosts of hard drives floating in front of you why would you expect there to be some immortal part of you? And that's my great fight and I really that messes with me on a deep level so to have something That I that i can't explain on a. I can write it off with some kind of ready science is about the best thing i could ask for, what would be better to be 100% convinced but i think they'll go against who i am i don't think i would sit in my psyche very well but having them kinda tip the scale towards the hey there's probably something else going on here that's really that was that's a gift and thats really cool love

58:54 whatever it is that talked to me, that's a really cool thing that it did. So as far as like the reward for all of the kind of work and study? I'll take it! I think that's a cool reward for me. I can see why somebody else would be like oh this is terrible this is you know getting a sticker in your Cracker Jacks what a boring thing but for me thats what I needed Stanley That's fair. I mean, like I said again these things it doesn't translate beyond the personal experience and you can tell me and I'm like oh that's cool but you really got to be there, you really gotta feel it and clearly you have. For the skeptics out there because we are going do this tarot reading and I am excited about it. You know, I am very open-minded about all this stuff. I just haven't had a personal validation or personal experience so to me its still kind of removed from me but if there are

59:48 people out there who are cynical but yet kind of open-minded and they wanted to dabble in ritual or magic to get some type of validation that there is some power to it. Is there any certain ritual, or any steps that you would recommend someone take where they could most likely extract that personal validation? Yeah see this is this is the really frustrating part of it is that no because it's not what it's there for. It's such an annoying thing, like as a writer the most annoying piece of advice is just write that's the best advice god that advice sucks but it's also the best advice you can get for magic it's well what's the magic that's the most you know you can get the quickest dividends? The one that he can see something is... That's not magic! That's not what it's here for you know. Like it's uh supposed to be evasive you know it's purposely evasive yeah I mean

1:00:45 Yeah, that's a good point. It's supposed to be evasive. If you put it into more of something that kind of Western people understand better like a lot of people meditate there is no way to just go well how do I get into a perfect meditative state tomorrow? That is probably a good analogy. The state of mind to get into these magical kind of mind space isn't the state of mind that you are looking for direct causal Gonna result from it which is. Kind of frustrating, you know? Like in my entire time I've been doing like any kind of practice or any kind of like... I've been doing spirituality stuff for, you know. I've been meditating for decade and half. Like I'm trying to do this stuff for long time. Like I came from Buddhist background. I've been doing this for quite awhile and I think the first time ever asked anybody, by anybody I mean like any kind of constructor like, you know ask God for help was that time that said hey can give me some proof so

1:01:47 Not that I'm trying to like waive you know whatever 15 years of work against one question but, i don't know that you can get an answer when the first year in because. You don't have the phrases you don't have the eyes to see your not you haven't been initiated into mysteries well enough even though we're looking at so If you're, say you go into an Egyptian temple and some guy explains oh that's a Ouija and it means this this and this. You can hear it but it doesn't mean anything to you just these are, thats a description but even initiated into it when you see that

1:02:26 Well, then it carries the weight of the actual symbol and it means something to you. So it's the same thing but with two different sets of eyes for those who have eyes that see so when you're there now have the ability to take in information that although was kind of available before you just didn't have the ability to see it in that way this is a fundamental part of periphery the novel I wrote is right idea of it is The service level the story is a guy can be initiated into this weird world of seeing the periphery seen his father world existing on top of normal one but i also wrote the book as an initiatory process that when you read the book for first time it's a complete novel its there. Therefore it's been told to quite good when you read again you'll be shocked at the amount of stuff that you didn't read the first time because you have the eyes to see if you know what I was telling him,

1:03:20 Like I initiated you into, you know. A very layers to it? Yeah a very significant level. I initiated you into the process of the periphery that if you go back and read it second time, I gave you the secret about two pages in. You just didn't know your reading it because you didn't have the eyes to see but now you have an well now you know what's going on so Now you know what's going on that there actually probably another layer happening and It's just you know it's a metaphor for that initiatory process same as Freemasonry or reading tarot's right well said man. It's it's super interesting to me before we did this reading I wanted to ask you a little bit about How this stuff applies to some of the fringe ideas? We hear going on backstage in Hollywood I mean, we hear that Hollywood uses certain celebrities To embody or evoke certain Egyptian deities or archetypes like for example, I've had this guy Freeman on the show I'm a big fan of his work he

1:04:17 believes that Miley Cyrus is invoking Kali when she strokes her invisible hair and sticks out her tongue in every picture in every marketing campaign she's in or one that's more fascinating to me that I always cite, is That Jim Carrey has been used in his career to represent Osiris as the green man In movies like The Mask or The Grinch and The Riddler and the Batman movies. He plays Green in all of those also Apparently there's a tie-in in Bruce Almighty, he plays the man who gains the power of God. And there is a lot of 2K symbolism and Twin Peaks symbolism in his movies which of course represents Eleven. The threads keep going and connections to symbols go on beyond that but that's just an example I mean does this stuff mean anything to you? Do you see any purpose to doing such thing?

1:05:04 Some stuff yeah I was actually just, i was smiling like an idiot when you told me that Miley Cyrus thing. I'd not heard that and absolutely that's what she is doing that so there because I just had one picture of Kali with her tongue out and it was like oh yeah thats what she's doing! Oh thats so there! Of course thats it! Fun story lead character in my book is named Kali. So hey. Synchronicity? I think it's there on a certain level if you goes back to the kind of union archetype that they're connecting to then it's kinda natural that someone will fall into and im going much more in my side because. Well get to the gym carry but the, i think this kind of architect so you can fall into readily and we associate with it so that we can see it so the reason that the colleague became the goddess that we know her as now the reason because she embodied something thats kinda natural to us

1:06:01 So that in the way that this Miley Cyrus girl is doing the same thing now maybe she saw a picture and it's you know purposefully doing this. But I mean in the end, it doesn't matter because it isn't invoking that image so its happening. So does that help her? Does it hinder her? I mean I can imagine it hinders so maybe the invocation is she doesn't know she's doing it you know maybe thats just the way the archetype kind of Reveals itself yet again or her handlers might be pushing her in that direction. Yeah, I mean it's very possible. Um, I certainly think you would I certainly think

1:06:41 A lot of people, a lot more people are into this sort of stuff than we realize. I used to be afraid to kind of not afraid but i just didn't feel like telling people about some of the spiritual and occult work that I was into because... I just didn't feel like dealing with you know those super materialist scientist types that are strident atheists or just like man your not really all fun to talk too so don't bother yes I know your argument cool it makes sense Once I started to talk about it, my fears were completely wrong. It's like inevitably there is at least you know if you talk to a group of five people one or two of them are going be like oh yeah you know i own some crystals they used to do some work that way or A lot of people aren't into that stuff So its very possible that Miley Cyrus and those types are as i was saying Jay Z apparently is but the Jim Carrey stuff is maybe he's kind of leaning towards some of those roles for those reasons but

1:07:39 I think when you look at something for too long, it's kind of like the McCarthy trials. They kept looking for communists so long that they kept finding communists even though they weren't there but they found them So, if you just keep looking for symbols you're going to find them even when they might not be there. Great example of this is if you saw Room 237 the documentary that came out about the Stanley Kubrick theorists? No I'm actually a big Kubrick fan but I am not familiar with this documentary Oh! You gotta watch it I think its on Netflix It's called Room 237 and it's essentially just audio interviews with four different people that are obsessed with The Shining

1:08:18 and what they think the story of The Shining is. So one sees it as a metaphor for World War II, the genocide- the Holocaust One sees it as a metaphor for the genocide of the Native Americans Another one sees it as Stanley Kubrick admitted to- admitting to faking the Apollo- the moon landing Yes And I think there might be one more But its- all of them have really compelling evidence because they've looked at it so long that they started to see it And it becomes a strange thing where as you're watching it, you're like all these people are not at least I can't believe how many of these people are hey that's really good point. And I think thats kind of what happening we're talking about the two peaks in the jim carrey movies were. I think if you start looking at something long enough your gonna start finding out so i would wager if you could invent something just silly one let say

1:09:10 Russell Crowe is really into the Raven spirit. Now I just pulled that out of my hands, and i don't really even know that many Russell Crowe movies. I guarantee you that if you look at his movies you could probably be able to find a compelling series of events in any of those movies That he's referencing a raven god now I've no idea it there but im sure ill find him if watch long enough I just got to say about the pattern recognition aspect that the longer that you look at this, you might see things but the most compelling patterns are the ones that are true. And the best mystics are the ones who can say something that rings true so the real quest is

1:09:55 The whole initiatory process or the whole thing about Buddhism is that we start asleep and that we're trying to wake ourselves up. Or, we start in darkness and we're trying to clarify and get better vision. Or, we start as a really base crude metal and we're trying to refine our senses towards gold and get a gold-like spirit. So, like alchemy... All these are analogies for moving towards truth and really seeking what is true and the real trick I feel like the whole goal is just simply to break the habitual mind because the worst fate is to not realize you're a slave to your own preconceived thoughts that just run in loops repetitious loop

1:10:37 And everyone, you see a lot of mouth breathers out there. They're on the same fucking loop their whole life and they never figure anything out. They continually run into the same problems. They're manifesting their own same problems because they're stuck in this cyclical habitual mind and so the whole thing about chaos magic or Buddhist practice or Zen is do something introduce some technique to disrupt your own thinking because getting out of your own mind, as Alan Watts says is one of the best things that can happen to you. It's one of the most refreshing things is just simply stop your train a thought so yeah I think the whole goal really is just an altered state of consciousness or another analogy is in shamanism they call it the shamonic state of consciousness which is induced by drumming well you can drum you can chant mantra

1:11:30 You can read Crowley's Hymn to Pan. There are a lot of different things you can do, but the whole goal is to get out of the standard wavelength your consciousness is typically in when you're stuck in day-to-day events like I gotta get here or go there and do something to disrupt that and get into a funky kind of weird state of consciousness that can notice things differently It's kinda the whole thing about smoking weed too Smoking weed is about getting into a different state of consciousness where your mind is more relaxed, a little bit more elastic than it normally is. These are all real similar analogies for the same thing which is trying to have a moment of clarity or a moment of something different so that its not so routine and cyclical and like stuck in a rut

1:12:19 Yeah, well said that's the chaos magic thing. Their phrase is disordering your belief system is throwing in that disorder construct so you can instead of just walking on a path and not noticing you can start seeing the path you're on and things on the side and yeah these are all metaphors for the same thing All right, man. Well we're getting towards the last chunk of the show I've had a great time talking to you. I think it's fascinating stuff. It always... It's so elusive to me I can't ever seem to wrap my head around it exactly which I guess is the point but when we talked about having you do a tarot reading for us to try to gain some insight into the future of The Higher Side Chats and the path that I'm on around here which

1:13:03 Kind of interesting. You know, it's just going to be a fun exercise and a good example for listeners who might have never been able to sit in on a tarot reading of this type I think it's also a good way to close the chapter on the first 99 episodes and get prepared for the journey ahead In the next 99 but I guess tell us a little bit about Tarots we can maybe clear up any misconceptions as we get ready for this Yeah, sure. Actually, Tara has their own what we're just talking about that kind of illumination process one of the metaphors for the so the tower is broken up into the minor arcana and the major arcana So essentially the minor arcane you can think of as essentially like a deck of cards it's ace through 10 and then court cards And the major arcane are kinda cool ones you've heard of death The Wheel of Fortune The Lovers The Hierophant The Hermit You know? The kinda cool mystical ones

1:13:52 And the cool mystical ones, the major arcana have a story called The Journey of the Fool and journey. The fool is told through those cards zero being the full through 21 which in the deck you'd probably run into the rider weight it's the if you look up tarot that's kind of one that people use most often that are they charity Marseille but I used to Thoth deck which is Alistair Crowley's Deck and Lady Frida Harris anyway so go some of the numbering different. It's only reason I really bring it You can go so you go zero through 21 following this fool's journey. So essentially he's this blank slate that, you know, essentially Neo taking the red pill. OK I'm deciding to go in this weird thing and your full because I mean quite frankly The Matrix is much more comfortable than a crappy boat that are in, you know? In the real world. Yeah, the Nebuchadnezzar never can answer yeah.

1:14:49 his journey through the major arcana. So that's just it's a fun if you're getting into tower, that's kind of the first thing you should look at because I hate to say should but i think it's a helpful thing because you get one familiar with major account which are the kind of powerful cards and then two It's a cool story and it's kind of it That's the you know If you're familiar with that then you're familiar with pretty much the basics of every initiatory process But so Tara starts in The I'll go from a historical perspective because some people like to make this weird argument that it comes from Egypt and you know, all this mystical whatever. But it actually starts in Italy about 14 something they have a game called Turoki essentially its the deck of cards we understand but there's uh... It ends up being 54 cards or 56 in the original deck

1:15:44 And because they're kind of tired of the games, if they start introducing wild cards that called triumphs. The cards that beat other card so ace is the highest card in in the regular deck of cards or let's say he says love. So King's the highest card? So above the king they would put the fool or the magician solo was bigger cards to play your your card game with those triumphs became the trumps there. That's the 22 pyrocon are called the Trumps And this card game got very popular and people started to use it as a way to divine. They started using it to try and see the future in the same way people used sticks or tea leaves, and at some point they started to introduce in about probably 15th-16th century or so they start getting paintings on

1:16:39 And that's the Sforza. It's like s-f-o-r-z-a is kind of the earliest deck, that's about 1450 something and that's where kind of the drawings start coming in and starts being recognizable as what you would think of a tarot deck. So it starts through that renaissance cultiness it starts getting more popular. The deck we understand it is the Tarot de Marseille I don't know, 1875-ish. You know 1900 like the codified 78 cards as we look at it hey this is a tarot deck from that day till today everybody would recognize it and I mean essentially that's the history of it unfortunately it's not nearly as mystical there's no secreting it out of some Egyptian crypt in the dead of night It was a card game

1:17:30 And people started to use it to divine the future. That's about the end of it, you know? Right so that kind of well I mean that makes it seem more like The Original 8-Ball or something which is kinda in a gamey type way but do you attribute any real knowledge to be gained from a tarot reading or just assume its fun games No I think there's absolutely real knowledge So the way that you can read it, there's multiple ways to do it. So I come at from kind of a chaos magician side of it where... ...I'm using this as the shiny object is when I do readings for myself um... ...I use just kinda vibe of the card and what its trying to get across in me in a very like... Really like I am treating them almost as people. As sentient things that are trying to give me information and connect on some psychic level with them

1:18:28 That's one way to do it. And then the other side is the kind of traditional tarot where it's, the cards mean pretty much what the cards mean and there's infinite amount of depth in it like especially the Kroli deck that those deck there's every card has just layers upon layers upon layers of symbolism and it goes from there's like the Kabbalistic numbering of it is goes to every number equates to a Jewish letter of the Jewish alphabet Hebrew alphabet I Like those two relate and then those two co-relate to one of the astrological symbols, which then co-relates to like one of the four elements. There's just these vast, vast ways you can kind of look into it on a just what's on the card level beyond any kind of psychic or spiritual side. You know there is huge amounts of information and right

1:19:23 If you're reading, it's one of those things where if you really need help and happen to be reading a book. You'll find that one sentence like oh wow I'm so glad I was reading this book at this time. I think what tarot on the traditional level is doing it kind of opening your mind because there are so much information being grabbed. It will open your mind to let you see the answer thats already in front of you. So on a psychological level its allowing yourself to see what you probably should have seen if you were this perfect unencumbered thing which none of us are. Okay, good. And then the way I like to do it is kind of and really it's just Divinatory like III like to see you does like kind of a way to just have getting contact with whatever that spiritual forces and I think that's more fun But that's not weird chaos magician thing in me words It's you know, I just like I like doing it that way. It's fun. But uh, yeah Yeah laid out. I laid out at Oh, sorry horse. No, I was just gonna ask Kyle I mean, I know that

1:20:17 He's gotten into tarot in the last so many years I was wondering if you if this has helped you at all or if you've gained any insight from your Going down the rabbit hole of Tarot Yeah, and it's I mean. I really like the fifth deck the Aleister Crowley's deck exactly The one that Alex is talking about as well And I've been reading a book about understanding That deck and how you even start to break it down? And it is so nuanced if you ever tried Yeah, it is Ducat's book. Yeah yeah that's amazing yeah It's so good it breaks it down that each card has a specific

1:20:55 astrological component like counterpart. There's a card in the major arcana for all of the planets including the moon, there is one for all of the astrological signs, there is one more like alchemical like salt mercury and phosphorus or sulfur And these have to do with colors. All the colors are very, very carefully chosen based on all this so there's systems of symbolism that are so refined like Crowley's system of symbolism is very, very, very refined and

1:21:39 Just by looking at the cards, I mean just by doing it and not even getting the deepest reading off of it. Just by experience with the cards It starts to you just get more deeper and deeper because its hooks in you I guess? I don't know what it is but like the more time as you spend with a tarot deck You just get familiar with the color of the card, the feel of the card as you said Alex. And I don't know it's all ties into the Kabbalistic tree of life and that 22 cards are paths from one Sephiroth to the next and that is a huge foundational thing to understanding what the deck is trying to say It's talking about all these paths that connect the tree of life then you have to get into

1:22:25 Who are the Sephiroth? Like, who are the gods in Egyptian mythology and who are these numbers like it then comes back to numbers being foundational too in the understanding so like zero being a fool and zero being the All of the other cards are really within zero, or as Crowley says all paths are loyal to innocence. Meaning all the other manifestations of spiritual events that happen in life ultimately come from a place of innocence kind-of like It's just an unlimited canvas for anything to happen. So, I just wanted to throw that in there because i love this deck and I'm super interested in all the nuances that he was throwing in there. Right on! Well that's a pretty good background and place to start then I guess

1:23:17 Cool. So you want to do this thing, Alex? Yeah sure I just wanted quickly before we go just start doing the reading Lon Milo DeKette did this wonderful series called The Sexual Alchemy of the Thoth Tarot he's a Crowley expert the guy is amazing You should have him on the show Wonderful dude but uh He did a video of it and he goes through all this and he also talks about the alchemical journey of the knight errant And showing how you can make the philosopher stone It's amazingly deep raffle, but Lon Milo de Kat I wholeheartedly give him the thumbs up of recommendation. Nice So the Soth deck the recommendation if you open up a deck of cards, a deck of tarots The most popular deck is the Rider Waite and The one that people tend to use the layout You use for the rider waite is the Celtic cross as one of the most popular ones or just a simple three card spread so three card spread goes once three cards you flip over one in the middle and

1:24:11 And that kind of represents the, um. That's like the, that you essentially are the problem you're trying to delve into and then the cards on the left and right are the ones that relate to the problems around you or the nature of the query so you can have like if you want past present future mind, body spirit. You get the idea where it's yeah that's the delving in so that's and then the Celtic cross is essentially you cross two cards in the middle face up and one is kind of you and the major influences around you and then you do a card on top left right? And then four in a row on the right side and those are essentially recent recent influences past influences future influences and then kind of like where

1:25:05 And then the stuff on the right is this weird, like family and friends and what you want the final outcome. I hate that style but a lot of people use it so i thought id reference it um just to piss off everybody in your audience that likes tarot I hate the Rider Waite deck Um...I don't think its cool looking It doesn't feel magical at all Its prude! Idiots! Its prude! That's a damn fine word for it Yeah So uh The Crowley Deck And just to be my pedantic ass self, it is Crowley because he is holy. It's in one of his little poems he wrote people as pronounced as in Crowley. It's the word upon my name is Crowley because I'm so Holy People call me Crowley. People call me Crowley because they want me to be growly or he's not a very good poet but he does show you how to say and I learned that one from Duquette but So he teaches us his spread essentially is this? You flip over three cards in the middle

1:26:07 Like the three card spread and that's you. So, the three cards in the middle are You and the situation surrounding it then you do Three cards on your top right three cards on your top left three cards bottom right three cards bottom bottom left so its 15 card spread okay? And The Top Right and the Top Left are essentially the paths that you're on you can call it the future if you want um You know just say the future is easier And then bottom left and bottom right. So, bottom left is the psychological influences that you should kind of take into account when you're choosing which way you want to move and bottom right is well just it's just stuff that's going on in the universe that you have no hope of ever getting your head around so It's more...it's seeing what boot is stomping on you or seeing what hand is petting you. It's the karma and the destiny that surrounding you

1:27:04 Which those can be depressing, because if you get a lot of like weird like negative cards here. Like failure or futility it's like oh crap but thankfully for you guys he didn't get that so when we decided to do the tower thing I flip some cards thinking about you guys well think that one of you at least about the show and So yeah this is what you got? So the nature of you in the querent ends up being the ace of swords which is really incredibly accurate. Swords is air, so air is related to intellect communication words essentially podcast and then you also got love and fortune in regular other tower decks it's the wheel of fortune but in the Thoth deck its fortune

1:27:55 Okay, sounds alright. Yeah not a bad beginning so essentially you're invocating you know your communicating the change that you want in the universe and love kind of speaks harmony and you know that nice duality it's a two so twos always speak of essentially think if is yin and yang or divergent paths its choices So that's good. So you have a so it's essentially your choice, you've got fortune on your side. Your question is basically, you know your what you're doing about being a communicator. So that's pretty good for podcast house? Yeah that seems like it fits pretty well and its obviously incredibly positive I'm not going to argue with it. Fortune in love! I'll take it. Hell yeah so your future stuff to call it that way right hand path is the Hierophant or Hierophan everyone I mispronounce everything so just getting Hierophan

1:28:55 You got the two of discs, which is change again to nice choice thing and then you got the that's the five swords. Which is strife so oh I didn't say it just means it means not necessarily economy circuits kind of fighting its more energy will being forced at something like a Kind of hard to describe. It's more a valiant effort could be almost called that as well, especially when it's paired with because you got change in the Hierophant and the Hierophant is essentially... That's Thoth or Hermes which oh god, Chroliates will fucking punch me for saying that I take that back it's cause there's a card in the deck that supposed to be Hermes and so I shouldn't say that but The Hierophant is divine wisdom essentially Is the manifestation of wisdom

1:29:53 So you've got a choice. So one of your futures essentially is, you know choosing to fight on the side of wisdom and then OK the other side you have The Hanged Man Oh no hangman's actually good and it's beautiful car in The Knight Of Swords and the Four Of Cups so essentially that's I mean the Hangman speaks of again it's changed flipping a situation upside down much like the man in Knight of Swords, Knights and generally the court cards. Anything with a person on it in court card generally represents an actual person there is other. There's of course subtleties but that's easy way to read it and then the what cups did you say? It was four I think yeah right 4 of Cups is luxury so for I mean luxury is pretty straightforward. You know it either speaks of luxury

1:31:02 wealth and opulence, but it can also be stagnation. Finding yourself comfortable enough that you stop pressing forward. Makes sense. Classic problem with comedians they get too successful and then they're no longer good at their Yeah, that's a very good point. That is kind of what it is saying so you're essentially making a choice for fighting for wisdom and fighting for communication paths and one of the dangers with that is that you may get a bit of success and that can essentially turn into being lazy or not writing new jokes

1:31:47 I'm already lazy, so I'm ready for the success whenever it's ready for me. Hey there you go! So your psychological again are the things that kind of assist your decision though in this one you're future is kind of... You know oftentimes just like two very disparate paths to go down but in this one they're pretty complementary. Alright. Your psychological assistance- Can't mess this up Yeah you're doing well um you've got The Fool which is essentially what we talked about him. He's kind of the blank slate, he's ideas and thought spirituality it's the guy that's about to take the journey. The four swords which is truce so I think that speaks to the fighting nature of your future just keep in mind when you're barreling through things there isn't option to be peaceable

1:32:37 And then you've got prudence, eight of discs which essentially is the exact same thing I just said about truce. Be prudent so if you do get that kind of success, your psychological nature is to make sure you don't take it as a given and make sure you know do it wisely and then your gods and goddesses and karma and all the things that can possibly screw with you. You've got the knight of wands 8 of swords, which is interference in the universe. Which is the last of the major arcana of the trance so that's actually kind of interesting to you that That kind of speaks of an actual person interfering with you this night of wands The man maybe it's yeah because that's uh the ones are fire So it's um kind of

1:33:34 You know, fiery. I mean, I don't know why you have to describe it even more than that is just imagine fire and that's that kind of dude's personality. Am I going to have to fight Alex Jones? Is what you're saying? Can I read this one thing I happen to have? The Duquette book right in front of me and he says this is Crowley's words about the Prince of Wands This particular guy who's out to get us. It says, He is often violent especially in the expression of an opinion But he does not necessarily hold the opinion about which he is so emphatic His character is intensively noble and generous but he may be an extravagant boaster Hmm

1:34:13 His courage is fanatically strong, but his endurance is indefatigable. He's always fighting against the odds and always wins in the very long run." So this is my opposition? Is that where this pops up in? This is kind of the forces beyond your control I think it's the way they worded it. But generally usually Goddy stuff you know like or astrological stuff or like the nature of where the world's sitting right now. But in this one since there was a court card with a dude on it and says interference, but the last one is the universe which is the culmination of journey that's the last card in The Fool's Journey

1:35:05 That is the last thing. It's totality of everything, yeah? It's the yeah it's inertia even it's whether you move on or and actually could speak of delay so essentially its a good read You know it seems like your doing right just don't sit on your laurels and Don't let some ginger fuck with you I think that really what the cards are saying I hate redheads man There ya go And I think your in good hands then because you watch out for the interfere Yeah, that's the story that these cards are telling you. So that's the story of the cards and then The way I read it is this read would actually be really similar to what I do but i just kind of stand above them and Just kind of take it in as a whole and see What's jumping out at me? And then move on from there But in this case It's all pretty straightforward and not like there's a lot of conflict so it's pretty much what it just jumped out At me anyway Right well That part Of it Is interesting

1:36:01 the messages seem to be fairly clear, you know? The little groupings of three seem to... You know, being aligned. You're not getting a yes, no and maybe, you know It seems like they all kind of are in the same realm it seems ultimately pretty positive I don't know We know you guys are way more familiar with the deck would you say it's- The cards on the deck are Mostly positive or is it a 50-50 split like that? I just get really lucky or is it normal that most of the cards have a positive connotation to them signature than question um, It's weird. You know, I don't even know if I can answer in any kind of like straightforward way because for me it's I tend to think this deck actually has more negative cards in it but Wow, but I don't think that's actually true like math wise and

1:36:56 It's just kind of like that's the vibe I get off of it sometimes. This is a strict deck, this is like a disciplinarian deck because Crowley knows everything about the... He has vast repository of occult knowledge so this isn't one of those sissy dancing around decks. This is some hardcore occult deck So there's a bit of strictness to it that I associate as negative but No, it's yeah. I don't know probably a split down the middle but even in this Reading there are a lot of cards that could be negative But what they're because it works in relation and with the cards around it right so You know like like the knight of wands and interference could be bad But you've got the universe next to it which kind of speaks of oh well That's you know this kind of eases things Like you had the notice

1:37:45 You have the Knight of Swords, right? Yeah. The Knight of Swords with the hangman so that's a change but if you had like another negative card which you happen to have uh...you'd get like luxury up that way but if you got a negative card there that could be really bad! Like it's one of those things where it really depends on the way the card lays so yeah there are negatives here but because they're offset they almost become positives or in this case I wouldn't even say this is a negative or positive reading. It's a reading that bespeaks change, which if you think change is good then it's a positive reading because... Yeah man! If I were to define this as a change-reading, everything is speaking of split path divergence and choice and it seems like you already made the choice so…

1:38:22 Wow. Well, that's well man I'm about 45 days out of quitting my day job That was a huge change My trajectory now is to just maintain the show and my t-shirt thing and never have a boss again Wake up when I want that it's the change that I'm looking for And I've made that change very recently so that kind of has a tie in and In terms of change, I've always said that I love it. And I've always been a big fan of having my life... looking at my life from the checkpoints of a year and looking at what it was the previous year and I love to see it be way different than it was the year before. I've always enjoyed change and kind of embraced it. Maybe that's why I got fooled by Obama but yeah! That sounds pretty interesting

1:39:14 Yeah, we all got pulled by him. The fun thing about the Crowley deck too just on that note if you just go on the Internet or Kyle has the deck if you look at the hero font the mask in the top right looks exactly like Barack Obama to me oh no it's really weird I mean of course he came out you know what 60 years before his born but the master looks exactly like him and just always freaks me out once once he started doing speeches so like what whoa well that's the dude so anyway but um Your year in review thing just reminded me, a great thing if you're going to start tarot or start anything occult is and this is such a cheesy term and I'm sorry but that's what they call it. Do a book of shadows which is you journal every magical work you do every time you do a tarot reading write down what the tarot said to you check it after awhile to see what was right what was wrong every time you do a magical work every time you meditate write down everything because

1:40:07 It's one of those things that you can really trick yourself into thinking nothing is working or everything is working. So if you have it written down and look back, you can see as objectively as you can what's functioning in your work instead of like... If you're a negative person I tend to view things kind on the crappy side of life so I write it down and look back oh man wow! I have improved on this. You know? It's an affirmation and then if you are one of those people who thinks everything is perfect you know, you can look back and get a shock of reality like oh what? You know what this isn't as good as I thought it was. I'm not as strong in the arts as I thought it was just important thing just make sure to we'll call it a journal because Bookish Shadows is really lean right on well before we close the books on this Kyle do have any thoughts on that reading or those cards that you didn't get to articulate um Just kind of a general thing being that the lower numbered cards have to

1:41:05 With actually like higher positions on the tree of life So in the particular suits like wands or cups, whatever it is If you get a 2 3 4 Those are actually very good typically very strong positive cards as opposed to once you get into the 7 8 9's those are considered much more descended further fallen from source or from grace and they're much more mixed up that's when you get into shit about conflict and oppression and suppressing stuff, but they're more free and kind of light in nature. And good and kinda just like overall playful when there are lower number cards. It seemed like in the reading there was a pretty good number lower-number cards which I thought was good. Yeah you had two twos on that one. That's a good point. If I'd have thought about it I would've said that. Everything he just said is what I agree with

1:41:57 Wow. Yeah, that's true I just didn't remember to say that. Right yeah there is so much to this stuff that I figured having two people who are vested in it would be just so much more complimentary and bring out those extra things that people can forget when they're talking about something so complex but... Oh, and there's still dozens upon dozens upon dozens of more levels to meaning in these days. Even on the back of the tarot cards there is a cross, it's essentially the rosy cross, you know Rosicrucian if you can overlap the meaning on but just that if you listen to Duquette's explanation

1:42:36 is about 45 minutes long, full of everything you've never heard of. It's got reference to the different cycles of the astrological season, like the yuga cycles it's ridiculously complicated and that's just the back of the card. You know it's amazingly deep and super cool if you get hooked into it but its also one of those things where you can get hooked into it then next thing you know it's six years later and thats all your done Wow, man. This has been a great episode! A lot of fun I really appreciate you coming on and joining us to talk about some of this stuff and an excellent way to close the show with that tarot reading. I think that was excellent Would you like to tell the people a little bit about your other work? And where they can keep up with it before we close it out? Oh yes, I would love to thank you Well, I do podcast called The Alexcast I spell my name with two X's because I hate marketing and I'm an idiot So if you go to alexcast dot com now so 2x is

1:43:34 You can find the podcast which I talk about some of this stuff and then Yeah, it's pretty. I mean really this is probably pretty close to an episode that would do except you ask better questions than me and actually prepared things so i just kind of gap but yeah that's there and you can click on there there's a books link in the two books I wrote periphery and The Void Sutras are available if you liked what was talking about on this show peripheries right up your alley I mean literally as just an initiatory process its it's a fun fiction book so it's not It's not some boring thing that an occultist is trying to trick you into reading like if you didn't know it was about a hidden occult thing. There is just a fun fiction story with weird psychedelic scenes and strangeness so, that's there. Just click around the website that's pretty much where you can find me I tweet way too often on Twitter at The Alex Cast

1:44:29 Yeah, that's really where you can get me. Just go to AlexCast.com I got all the links there. There are videos of me talking about tarot and a couple videos on that. I talk about the Egyptian Tarot in there and some of the art. Oh as i said if you go, I think it is episode 146 I've got the picture of the thing where I wrote Merkaba which I mean really it's about as impressive as listening to me talk about it but the picture is there. That's cool man, well powerful stuff! I've really appreciated it and I think this was great 99th episode take care of yourself man hopefully we'll talk again in the future Yeah yeah thank you very much for having me on It was quite fun really enjoyed it Alright man take care Good see ya

1:45:08 Wow man, that was a pretty great episode. I enjoyed a lot of the content and the reading was pretty damn positive it says essentially from what i understood my only real concern is things being too easy and having too much success Yeah, it seems like getting too comfortable was part of what came up in the reading. Right! It's funny that did come out because that is in the forefront of my mind a lot of time because when I started this show I thought about what's going to separate this show from other shows? What bothers me about shows as they do get popular and

1:45:45 A lot of times the beginning of shows becomes way too many ads, way too many sponsors. Too much of the same shit over and over again. Too many updates about the host and shows tend to get away from what made them special and get into this area of oh well I've got to update my audience on everything that's going on And sometimes I worry that i get too much into that so I try to balance that with episodes that go straight into a guest within three minutes I'm very conscious of those types of pitfalls or at least i'm trying to be how well executed it is up to the listeners but, I definitely keep that in mind so its kind of interesting have that come up in the reading. Totally and a good new thing thats going on with this show is talking with the money bomb winners in the pre-show. You like that?

1:46:38 I mean a lot of times the audio is jacked up or it may sound like not as flowing of a conversation as it is with the guest but, I still think it's cool. I like to hear a real person who really won and they almost essentially always say well I'm gonna kick back more money for the next winner because... It's like uh..I don't know it's a cool vibe. It is man! I've gotten really lucky with that and it's worked out exactly as I'd hoped. We've given away about a thousand dollars in three different rounds and it's helped me out immensely, uh wouldn't have taken the leap i did if it hadn't been for this and at the same time it's helping individuals like three people got like huge amounts of money like you know an average of $333 apiece and that in the midwest would have paid my rent! You know that's a huge

1:47:30 Bonus and to get that from a podcast. That's essentially free Essentially doesn't really have advertisers as just one dude sitting in his office in San Diego I mean, it's become a powerful vehicle. And of course, I don't ever want people to think that the money is my money like it's literally generated by the audience all I am as a middleman between the collective and the individual. I get it from the collective, take a piece for myself and then pass on to the individual but I don't know... It has been great! Man, it's fascinating talking to you. I love when you join me on these shows this whole theme and realm and spectrum of topics is very interconnected and goes on forever And of course It's great to hear that because we've got plenty more shows To do in the future apparently because we're gonna be doing this for a long time as long as they don't

1:48:26 get used to sitting in the lap of luxury, which has never really been a problem. That said man it's been a wild ride on 99 episodes you've been a great friend and even when you can't co-host you always listen to the shows and give me feedback as an outlet for some frustrations that are probably best left off the air So, I don't know if we'd be here if it wasn't for you man. So thanks so much! It has been a real blast...so far. Well uh-I really appreciate you saying that and thank you as well and

1:49:03 You know, my wife Carrie is very much an advocate for our friendship and she thinks that's so cool that we're able to over the years stay in such closeness where it's just it's always good between us. And you're always encouraging me to pursue my goals and stuff and always checking in. And that really goes a long way with me as well. So I'm glad to be the biggest supporter of THC that I can be. I try to spice it up when I come on. Because, I feel like a lot of times the tendency with this mystical stuff with the esoteric stuff is it gets boring and obscure It starts to...it's like okay we're gonna be talking about something really weird and magic and that's fucking cool And then you start to hear it and its like the history of blah blah blah and this happened and your like uhhh

1:49:55 Okay, and you just kind of tune out but I am so passionately interested in this shit. I try to say it in a concise manner So I like to go on rants about this stuff just to try to Just to try to make it seem a little sexy, because it is sexy. That was Crowley's whole thing that's why I call the Rider Waite deck prude Is because all of these analogies are really about the sex act Because the ultimate creative thing you can do is have sex that creates life It's what all life is based off of prior sex went down And so a little respect must be paid to how sex is interconnected to every single thing. Yeah, it's the conjuring of a bean! It's the ultimate conjuring and there's a card The Tower What The Tower means is... The tower is really the spent dick. The tower is the spent dick after the sex act. It has lost its power. It is limp. It's fucking-it's nothing now. We can't fuck

1:50:58 It cannot fuck and that is a metaphor for an immediate loss of power, an immediate transformation from a powerful position to it a weak position. And uh...it's all metaphor but it's all tied in with sex so... Well let's be glad I didn't get the tower! You are, your phallus is still strong my friend and you have not received that tower just yet. Wow well on that note I think it's about time we call it in I agree. Please remember about the THC money bomb or the Amazon wish list It is my birthday on the 25th and it will be the 100th episode that week synchronicity like a motherfucker I love you guys keep doing what you do Thanks for listening your move Osiris Everybody knows

1:51:55 She knows I got the magic in me When I hit the floor, the girls come snapping at me Everybody wants a rest of Magic, magic, magic, magic Magic, magic, magic, oh I'm here to help you, I come from magic and magic.

1:52:44 I got the magic in me Every time my tuxedo track it turns into gold I got the magic in me. I got the magic, baby! When I hit the floor, all the girls come snapping at me. They be snapping, baby! Everybody wants a blast of magic, magic, magic. Magic, magic, magic. Magic, magic, magic. Oh, ooh-ooh-ooh, I've got the magic in me. We'll take a journey into my mind. My new ZY8's been on my grind. Stay on the road though

1:53:35 I'ma go insane and jump into that crowd See when I rhyme, I flow on a beat like ba-da-da-dah See how I deceive you with my intergalactic ethos I sing just like Aretha, so respect me like I'm Caesar I got the magic in me. Every time my tux out track it turns into gold Everybody knows I've got the magic in me Now hit the floor, the girls come snapping at me And everybody wants a blast of Magic

1:54:33 Magic, magic, magic, oh I'm gonna do magic in bed Magic in bed