THC 95: Gian Quasar | The Bermuda Triangle, Bimini Road, & The Aquatic Bigfoot

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08:24 Alright people, one of the most legendary mysteries on the planet is the strange enigma known as The Bermuda Triangle. Today's guest is one of the most respected authorities on this topic He's the first person to have completely documented The Bermuda Triangle case by case in a thread of research spanning more than 12 years and over 350 cases that span over two centuries His tenacity in finding every scrap available has gained him recognition as the man responsible for bringing the subject forward for an entirely new generation. His name is Gian Quezar and I'm psyched to have him here! Gian, how are you doing? Good, how are you? Oh can't complain man. I'm really psyched for this You've done some great research and from what I understand you sort of resurrected and expanded on the research of the Bermuda Triangle Disappearances in a big way Why don't you take a second to tell the people about that journey where was Bermuda Triangle research before you got started have you added to it

09:15 It's been an old introduction of yours. It's been 25 years now Yeah, yeah I pulled it off some website But yeah, I thought it might be dated twenty-five years long time You know I think that so that when my book came out it was 12 years well when I started in 1990 there was nothing the Bermuda Triangle simply was gone it has faded into the deep freeze and the triangle for me had been something of mystery of adventure And I found it a very fascinating case. In the 1970s, it was a big deal for my generation when we were growing up and then it fell into the wayside by the late 70's. It was supposedly debunked and solved. And in the 1980s, there was simply no one talked about it anymore so I was curious but all that said if it was a real phenomenon, it would still be going on

10:09 And yet nothing, I could find nothing in 1990 that dated past 1977. No disappearances, no discussions, nothing so if it was true it would still be going on and I stumbled across the National Transportation Safety Board and they did a database search for me And they could go back to 1964. And so they searched for every missing aircraft, and lo and behold there were probably 40 aircraft that had vanished during the 60s and 70s that the authors of the original popular books didn't even know about because they'd never consulted the archives.

10:51 And then after that time, there were probably just as many if not more that had vanished in the late 70s and 1980s after no one bothered to inquire about the subject. And so I continued to get these updates. I continued to get reports. Accident reports existed as far back as 1978 and within these, there were you know one case where a pilot is panicking over weird object harassing with his aircraft in two cases in which aircraft vanished, essentially with eyewitnesses watching them while coming in for a landing. And that got me hooked! To me I had found the great adventure, the great mystery that was full of hundreds of mysteries and an exotic location...and I continued to pursue it." Yeah man, it is a fascinating case. Do you have any idea why interest or research might have died off in the way it did? Was it considered solved in anyway?

11:51 Well, there you know Charles Berlitz who really popularized it had a number of mistakes in his popular book. Larry Cush came along and our librarian from Arizona and he took selective cases and could say that he solved some of these cases in the book by Harper & Rowe built up with the title Solved on it I suppose it just kind of died out after that Which makes sense. It was so popular that it burned brightly and burned out quickly, and I have to tell you it's an expensive mystery to research Really? You have to travel the location just one incident the USS Cyclops disappearance...I'm finishing up my book on that case alone That cost me $500 just to get

12:38 official documentation. There are 2,000 pages in the archives All these reports cost money Very few are given free by the government agencies You have to write back in the days before internet You get referred all over the place, you have to write international archives and it's a time-consuming and expensive hobby. I was years researching this before even tried to write a book and all of this was before the internet. I didn't get on the internet until 1999 with the website and I had been researching since 1990 It just really is quite engrossing because it is a very real

13:19 It's not a subjective one, as many of the other popular mysteries are. Yeah it is so unfortunate that they put such barriers of entry into just gaining information! Just the way archives work back then before you could get anything online You had to stumble around and write letters and then they would refer you to another archive And you had ask them what they have And it just takes years to put together everything. Today, it's much easier with the internet. It's not that mysterious that crafts have gone missing. I mean the ocean is a big place It's a treacherous place, but we're talking about hundreds of cases and no wreckage found That's an important thing to state. I mean that's the kicker To this kind of thing you know also The water there is relatively clear and shallow correct so it is so strange to have hundreds of craft missing with no wreckage

14:14 Most, yeah the most interesting cases are over the Bahama banks which can be a few feet deep to 50 feet deep. And in which wreckage and such shallow water will attract growth of turtle grass and so from these, from the air you look down on the banks they look like a nice soft aquamarine because they're so shallow at this very sandy bottom But where there's wreckage, where there are rocks you will see this discoloration marled look of a little oasis 20 feet underwater. But if all the aircraft and ships that have disappeared none of them have ever left...have ever grown or every left a mark where turtle grass or anything grows in the locals are very familiar with what the bottoms and the way it is. You know when something like this happens the divers will go out because they assume we're wrecked and they assume conch will be growing there and its been good for fishing

15:10 But with all those that have vanished, never has there been any sign that they crashed. Wow! That's just... I've loved this mystery since i was a kid you know and you kind of alluded to the erroneous conclusions made by some other researchers. What are some of those? The biggest one I've heard about is the idea that the ocean releases some type of methane gas that affects vessels in the area it sounds pretty far-fetched for an explanation, sounds like the swamp gas type explanation what do you think about that one well yeah some of the supposed rational explanations are just as absurd as some of the far out ones. But the largest beds of methane are off the Carolinas, which technically are in a triangle by one shape or another. But if the gas... Well, the methane would have to go through thousands of feet of sediment, thousands of feet of ocean and erupt right under a ship as it's passing over so what are the mathematic probabilities?

16:09 And it might happen with one. It's perfectly possible there was a rig that drilled into a methane bed by accident and it sank, and there were helicopters circling overhead filming this for the news and they were unaffected. So even if you can get at least one ship that would sink suddenly from methane, it's not going to affect all of the aircrafts. Some of the aircraft disappearances are far more interesting in terms of unexplained Now, before we get into… Bill and I hijacked an aircraft. Right. Well you know piracy is always a possibility for small vessels but how do you stop an aircraft midway in flight and pirate it?

16:50 Yeah, that's an interesting question. And I want to get into some of the cases but before we do the one other explanation I hear people say when they try to make The Bermuda Triangle seem less mysterious is that they say if you do the math on crashes and disappearances around the world That their Bermuda Triangle really isn't that special of an area but... That's incorrect Yeah You could dispute that claim pretty easily I would assume right? I did in my book, in the first chapter it was that I compared all the Coast Guard districts. For example, Triangles and the 7th Coast Guard District. And the 1st Coast Guard District would be off New England and I compare a number of calls for assistance which are very close 9500 opposed to 10200 from New England compared to the 7th Coast Guard District but over time I studied that whole decade of 1990s

17:43 aircraft vanished in foul weather off New England compared to 20 that vanished in the Triangle and fair weather. And so there's the difference just in Coast Guard districts, people still pull out the old line that Lloyd did a study in 1975 Well, Lloyd's doesn't even insure the smaller stuff. So their statistics wouldn't matter and all the Coast Guard statistics show that the calls for assistance in travel and traffic are very similar off all East Coasts and yet Triangle stands out 20 times for disappearances. And we're not talking about wrecks or not talking about a boat Nick who torched his boat with his barbecue

18:27 which has happened. We're not talking about, you know someone who rams another one or whatever we're talking about total disappearance Not wrecks Yeah that's the most mysterious part of all and as far as the cases are concerned probably the most famous that I know about is flight 19 and i know You've written a book specifically about the case called they flew into oblivion Can you tell us about that case in the conclusions? You've come to Ironically, I don't believe it disappeared in the triangle. Right! I really can't say all that caused them to be confused over the Bahamas. The flight leader's compass certainly malfunctioned he said so why all of the pilots didn't say something there were five pilots by they didn't say we're on course and it's only your compasses why they didn't mark where the Sun was? Why did what they did? I can explain everything but ultimately I do not believe that the flight disappeared

19:21 in the triangle, but in fact it's appeared over southern Georgia. Yeah and the Swamplands! Yeah, and a federal refuge that's huge at 660 square miles I believe... That has been proven to be very popular because I was objective enough to remove it from the triangles. I mean technically will always be THE cornerstone of the triangle—that's what directed everybody's attention out there—but ultimately I do believe although it got lost there that it did Disappeared for a number of reasons, including search and rescue follow-up. And just some very hard things to explain about what happened that night in 1945." And the reason I think the case is so popular is because like five planes went missing but I mean...I guess you come to this conclusion because there were some radar reports in the Georgia area of five planes that were unaccounted for?

20:14 Air Transport Command, both at Brunswick and Jacksonville reported five unidentified aircraft had a particular heading. And then they asked Search and Rescue you know how can this be them? Search and Rescue is telling them that they should have been down and out of gas by 8 p.m., but these radar reports are coming in at 8 50. Well going over all that Navy compiled in fact those aircraft had at least an extra hour or a few on board. There were so many snafus coming out of Fort Lauderdale that there was a lot of acrimony between officers over this, and when I first began my research some of them are still alive, but I just did not want to get in between some of it because they could get very adamant. Two of them refused even be in the same room with each other

21:04 And one had used dereliction of duty against another one, which is a very serious thing to say to a military man. So it's quite a controversy why there was such an erroneous gas estimate, why Fort Lauderdale didn't even know the actual time these planes were supposed to land – they were off by an hour! So search and rescue was delayed. There were just so many snafus that when those radar reports came in, they were kind of dismissed because they thought they should have ditched by that time. And when the Board of Inquiry actually challenged their search and rescue officer about those radar reports said how did you evaluate those as negative? He replied, They never landed!

21:47 And that was his only excuse why those could not have been accurate reports because they logically should have landed at Daytona or Jacksonville or something. No other thought entered his mind and certainly higher ups saw the problems, I mean there's the overall Admiral FD Wagner said there was obviously a lot of problems in search and rescue Now, another interesting thread to the Bermuda Triangle is that a lot of UFO investigators have claimed that it's a UFO hotspot. And I know there are a couple of cases—I don't know how credible they are—where people talk about being involved with seeing some type of strange UFO or flying craft? Have you investigated any of those cases that seem credible?

22:30 There's only that one technically in 1980. I have the Mayday on my website so people can listen to it, the pilot is panicking he is calling San Juan airport and he is talking about a weird object interfering with his craft He's off coast of San Juan near oh Cabo Rojo is it? It was where there was an awful lot of Ahuntas Remember the Ahuntas flat back in 70's This was the area off Puerto Rico where that began. And so in 1980, this guy's flying a plane with his friend in the passenger seat and 35 miles off coast he's panicking over the weird object

23:14 And he keeps avoiding it, and he's trying to avoid it. The Iberia flight is relaying San Juan's instructions and trying to explain, you know, trying to get ascertained what the problem was. The aircraft is actually on Atlantic Weapons radar at that time, and around 8 o'clock p.m., it simply vanished. Wow! communication object reappeared on the radar scope. Ostensibly it was supposed to be a plane, but it was tracking in a different direction and didn't answer any calls, didn't send any calls and then it vanished too. Wow! And so there simply was no evidence of what happened...and the plane was owned by an Aero police officer from Puerto Rico his son was the passenger and uh... his sons friend was pilot So the father spent

24:10 hours and hours in his own helicopter trying to find out what happened. And in the end, according to the sister they had no answer except you know...the only connection was a weird object Now did he describe the object at all? Were there any characteristics that were delivered? No, it's a weird object. You can listen to the Mayday on my website. It'll take several listens to understand both his accent and try and get it clearly but he just calls it a weird object in the report...in the whole National Transportation Safety Board Report father, uh, owner of the aircraft does state about his own research

24:49 And he called it, the report's in Spanish so he called it a Jeto Luminoso. So he called it a glowing object in the report where he got that I don't know because uh... It's only called weird object by the pilot who was Jose Maldonado Torres Interesting. So now when it comes to these cases of people who've lived to tell the tales of the triangle, what are some of the major themes of strangeness they have encountered? It is one of the most interesting things that people I think should accept as true but they don't have to put any kind of paranormal explanation on it but this is the crux of the whole enigma of the triangle and that's the electronic fog

25:30 And this is something that's real. Even Charles Lindbergh wrote about it finally in 1976, in his autobiography of values He wrote about his flight from Havana in the spirit of St. Louis, and he believed he passed into a grave mist fog bank His ground induction gear all this early navigation gear and his compass went wacky And he continued to fly along...He could look up and see the stars And he tried to get above the fog, but he couldn't. But he finally came out of this and he was 300 miles off course. And amazingly that is what so many others have said. Bruce Gurnin is one of them. He coined the term electronic fog and he encountered it twice. And he said you know, it looks like a fog bank when you're in it but that's not the case. It travels with you. You are not traveling through it then you can look up

26:28 and see the sky, you can look straight down and see the ocean. And it's really like you're in a donut. Weird! It's all around you but right immediately you can look down...and see so there it's kind of like a vortex and that's basically what Lindbergh was describing without knowing it he kept trying to get on top of this And Bruce said that is the big mistake to make, that you are traveling through it. It is traveling with you. Right? If it's electromagnetic maybe it's attracted to the metal of the craft and just sticks to it... Well it should not be because aircraft have leech lines they're supposed to dispel static electricity boats have zincs They're supposed to discharge that so this is something it's electromagnetic but it's not something

27:14 we're familiar with because it should not be able to hold onto an aircraft. A sonic fog exists if an aircraft goes at a certain speed, it can condense the atmosphere around it and you've seen these famous photos Boeing takes of experimental jets and there's this big powder puff cotton ball around the aircraft? Well that's sonic fog that's well known but it just puffs away behind the aircraft doesn't hold on to it The electronic fog does hold on to the aircraft or the boat. And so it's not supernatural, but I would suggest since the Bermuda Triangle is so intimately connected with electromagnetic aberrations pilots and shipmasters speaking about twirling compasses and odd fogs in lights and strange things that we're talking about an electromagnetic phenomenon out there that's rather unique to that area

28:12 That's fascinating stuff. Now there is another interesting case that I had heard, because the disappearance of Kraft is just what so eyebrow raising to me but there was a famous case of a guy who was towing a barge through the triangle are you familiar with that case at all? Yeah Captain Don Henry Can you tell us about that one? That's an incident of electronic fog probably The good news his tugboat was towing the barge from, I think San Juan to Miami and over the tongue of the ocean this unusual fog. First of all he was near the bridge and people on the bridge were panicking that his compass was twirling. He went up there trying to figure out what happened and he looked behind and said instinct whenever you're hauling anything

29:02 And so he looked behind and he couldn't see his barge. It was surrounded in this fog that just hung around it, and they could go back and pull on the rope that held the barge, and they couldn't see it. It was there but they couldn't see it because just local puff like a big cotton ball was around the barge. And eventually when that disappeared all of power came back on the boat The batteries that he was carrying were drained, but the compass was now working again. And so that's quite a famous case and one of the best-known ones for the electronic fog occurring on surface level. And was the barge still there when this fog cleared? Yes! When it was still there they went back and checked it... ...and he said the water it was warmer than it should have been Wow

29:54 Now, I've heard of some of the more strange cases involving time slips where a strange amount of time seems to go by and that they can't explain that. Is there any credibility to those types of stories? They appear implicitly in a couple of reports one Civil Air Patrol student took off without permission from St Thomas He didn't get to his destination, but five or six hours later he's in a twin aircraft, a beach raft. So five or six hours later they finally pick him up and he is off Miami. This was the 1980-81 incident. He says that he is lost in fog at 150 feet altitude because of clouds and 150 feet he will have to ditch because he has out of gas.

30:43 Miami didn't understand because the weather was perfect off Miami. But Miami also didn't hear him, this was relayed to Miami from two jumbos off of Bermuda that picked them up a thousand miles away So he was written off they went out and looked they couldn't find him They thought this was a pilot who is not qualified And he simply ditched it and survived there was no trace Well, lo and behold 11 hours later, Caicos Island Tower which is an island about midway between San Juan Puerto Rico in Miami so about 600 miles away from Miami into the Bahamas gets a call from young man's voice. They say they got the call number of the registration number of plane quite accurately he said it was 10 this was eleven hours later now and they said he said he was ten miles out because if they clear him for coming in for landing

31:35 And they said yes, they had no idea this aircraft was being looked for. And so they clear him and he still doesn't come in. There's no trace there you cannot fly in and fly out of anywhere in the Bahamas and refuel without being clocked in. So how is he still on the flight 11 hours later at 600 miles away after fuel starvation? That's one of the confusing cases. There are other ones which an SOS was picked up many hours after the aircraft had to be down. It's a bit of a mysterious case Bruce Gernon has mentioned the time lapse when he encountered the electronic fog that there was, he was 30 minutes ahead of schedule and he should not have been and he could not account for it The fuel had not been consumed either He checked That would be his 1970 incident So you get some they're very vague Yeah But there are allusions to it

32:31 their illusions to the electronic fog and also to time. And let me get weird on you for a minute, when I was a kid i heard this story that really struck out to me...I believe it was on coast-to-coast and I can't find any information on it when I was trying to prepare for the show but as I remember it there was a plane flying around looking for this particular airport below and they have radio communication on the ground and they're saying of this plane they're seeing it with no problem, but the pilot is saying that he sees nothing down below but trees and overgrowth. And the speculation was that this pilot was looking through some type of portal and was seeing the earth possibly at a different time maybe when before the airport was built? Are you familiar with a case like that or was I just listening to a crazy person?"

33:17 No, that was June 1969. Carolyn Cosio with her boyfriend Robert Rosen. They were flying over Grand Turk in the Cessna 172. The thing is I have the brief to that accident, but the accident reports have been lost since that time. So I've never seen the details to try and explain all of that with what you've recounted. I think some of it's probably legendary... Right. ...that the tourists were annoyed by the aircraft circling overhead and then the aircraft took off into the sea. But Carolyn Kossi had been telling the radar, the radio control, there is nothing down there.

33:58 May have been two different aircraft. I don't know if it was the electronic fog And she simply couldn't see. And it didn't make any impression on those on the ground, I don't know how visible the electronic fog can be from whatever angle so maybe that's it but I would have to find a report until I get really detailed. There is a case that...I do have the report too in 2001 in which an aircraft was playing tag for training purposes with Coast Guard interceptor for drug interception. This was off Marathon Key in the Florida Keys, ceiling and invisibility was 12 miles and everything was fine and the Coast Guard aircraft reports fine marathon reporting weather reporting station confirms but the pilot I want to say his name is Chuck can't remember it but he suddenly reports himself IMC

35:03 which is instrument meteorological conditions, which means he's in meteorological conditions and yet it was clear to everybody else. He apparently does the dead man spiral. He loses complete control of his horizon and he disappears on a search. A couple days later finally finds a couple pieces of the aircraft so that he might have gotten spatially disoriented and crashed implicit allusion to the electronic fog and that he was in perfectly clear conditions, and so is everybody else. But suddenly he alone is IMC? Those are basically his last words and then he's gone." Wow!

35:48 Now, I guess in more modern times – you said this was from 2001. I would assume that in more modern times there would be better technology for tracking these crafts or transponders or the black box? For the black box of course you've got to find the plane but has… Well this is a small little puddle jumper aircraft. I don't think you'd have a black box. But yeah, you would have to find the aircraft but well 120 aircraft I've checked Have carried ELTs which Is the emergency locator transfer? This is the this is the little electronic automatic alarm that when the aircraft impacts it will jettison the auto arm and this signal electronic signal will be picked up by

36:39 base stations, by passing aircraft and even by satellites. And it can float at sea of course that's what it is designed for and the whole purpose of such invention was to mark the point where there was impact so rescuers could go there quickly. 120 craft I know from my last count have carried these and not one of them has ever left with automatic alarm signal indicating they impacted. Interesting! So the mystery of the triangle still defies our modern technology even now Man, now when you look at the radio communication between crafts that are in the air or vessels that are on the sea and their counterparts on land. Is there any more information we can extrapolate to try to come to a conclusion based on what they say? I would say not because the disappearance whatever is causing them seems very sudden

37:39 And for those that disappear on radar, we know that because one sweep of the radar there or the other sweep they're gone. That applies even to a DC-3 and there was no wreckage when they went out and looked at spotting exactly where it disappeared from their radar so whatever happens is very sudden And I don't think there's really, except in a very couple of cases like Torres panicking off Cuba...off of Puerto Rico rather. There is really no chance for them to say anything. They're either trying to control the aircraft or understand what's happening and the radio is not working Or simply they are gone One twin engine charter beach craft left

38:19 Miami or Fort Lauderdale, headed for Vimini which is only about 56 miles away off the coast. It's low to a dangerously low airspeed of like 90 miles an hour, had six people on board. And then it went into a dive and they're not answering any calls, they're not sending anything. Disappeared off radar, they went out there looking and they of course didn't find a trace but two witnesses quite at distance away off Bimini reported seeing aircraft plunge into the ocean off Pemony? Well, they had the right spot because they thought and so the Coast Guard went out there and looked. It's only 18 feet of water and yet there is still nothing there. So I don't know if they were seeing a mirage of the actual aircraft plunging into the Gulf Stream or what but even though it was not completely sudden radar controllers were amazed at why this aircraft was suddenly

39:17 hundred and some odd miles to 90 before it plunged. Still there was no communication from anybody in the aircraft Creepy stuff. Now, let's talk about some of the more far-out explanations I mean one of my favorite when i was younger was The idea that Atlantis has been there and sunk into the sea and that they had a lot of electromagnetic technology That was still active and affects crafts in the area. I think some of that came from Edgar Cayce if I'm not mistaken Yes it did Charles Berlitz and J. Manson Valentine made that very popular Well, you know if you accept that the triangle is really the adventure area You have to accept the triangles two things one it's the enigma of a triangle

40:02 which is that more aircraft and ships vanish in fair weather without any known cause. Number two, that it is an actual geographic area obviously between Bermuda, southern Florida, Puerto Rico so whatever's going on there whether its high sails or hijinks or piracy or disappearance or voodoo rituals or strange ruins on the bottom it is part of the Bermuda Triangle So you can talk about Atlantis, and there are unusual man-made ruins but there's no evidence that Edgar Cayce's Atlantis, the Twally Stone is pulsing off of natural energy in the rock as the theory and sending a ship or plane into another dimension or disintegrating it outright.

40:57 Yeah, as far as ruins are concerned. I mean Bimini Road is located there which is like some underground or not underground but undersea Ancient ruins they found can you tell us about that at all? It's very well known. It is an inverted J, there are other segments running parallel to it. It is in 20 feet of water at least off Bimini. It is quite beautiful I mapped the whole thing but it was shrunk so much from my book you really can't appreciate it but on my website somewhere you can actually click onto and see all the stones how its arranged. It looks like Inca

41:34 art work, stonework, polygonal stones like Saksawaman. But it's on its side so it is either a platform or there was a wall that fell over the general theory as if an ancient dock or something and that's why people to some extent do believe in Edgar Cayce Atlantis the super civilization out there he had said they are going to find something around Bimini So people say, see that's the fulfillment.

42:12 Yeah, it's a little off but you can twist the pieces to make them fit. Another interesting aspect to the ruins there at Bimini area is that they are located or they're actually on the Perry Rees map which is something we've talked about with previous guests which is an old ancient map and It appears like there's something there but yet its not underwater on the map No, I actually discovered that. I had a big article on that long time ago and then Graham Hancock picked up on that too and he had it in one of his books Underworld I think

42:48 But I think that page is still up on my website. It's, I have so many pages you'd have to dig through there but you will see it on the Piri Reyes which i have a blow-up section and uh... she did in the map of the Bahamas what island they're trying to convey but it is on land if its Bimini or not some other place If you know ancient cartographers didn't mark as significant You know, to mark an area did use something significant that was unique to it. And so obviously this cartographer was told about huge stones on an island. Interesting! So they knew about it?

43:31 Yeah, that's very cool. I love that kind of stuff and another theory that gets tossed around we kind of alluded to it earlier This is mainly in paranormal conspiracy circles But they talk about that time warp phenomenon or you know a multi-dimensional portal there as is there any kind of science? That could support that type of theory There's Well, time is you know if you're going to go by it strictly by Einstein's that a heavy mass will bend space in there with time according to his theory. That's based on atomic clocks at orbital heights and at

44:16 The sea surface will record time slightly differently, it's very minor but it is moving slower. Well we are recording at slower, not moving slower. It's closer to the center of gravity. Well if you can bend space by another means other than a massive object, if you can bend space by electromagnetic wavelengths that are obviously within space, they're through us all. They're everywhere Could you bend time? Could you slow it we know how to slow it just by bending space so Excuse me That would be the closest you can come is that with the electromagnetic phenomenon over of the triangle Obviously it would need the sea doesn't happen over land mm-hmm

45:06 So if the effects are right, could something from vortex bend space? And Project Magnet Dr. Wilbert Smith or Wilberts I don't know if he ever earned his PhD but anyway he was head of project magnet in Canada 1950s He found these areas much more common in the tropics. He called them areas of reduced binding They were diameter circular diameter they could get 1,000 feet in diameter and they came and went, so these areas of reduced binding became well known within the literature in the 1950s. And were discussed in relationship to a triangle since they're more common in the tropics. He thought that if an aircraft at high speed hit one

45:57 it would disintegrate. He said they come and go. Well, later research indicates that these could be magnetic vortices that spin into existence temporarily due to vagaries in the Earth's rotation so if you have an invisible magnetic vortex out there if you have a solar storm or something the vortex could attract all of charged particles. This would be an invisible matrix spinning out there you cannot see, what would happen if an aircraft or a ship did come into proximity of that? Remember charged particles after a solar storm will detect the magnetic lines of force on our Earth's magnetic field when there are clouds there you'll see they get charged and clouds will begin to spin around the magnetic field lines of force They look like corkscrew

46:50 I have a picture on my website about that. And so now if you're thinking about this basically perpendicular to the Earth, it's magnetic vortex what will happen out there if its charged after a solar storm? I can't tell you what, but it's not something that I would like to encounter. You're talking about an invisible cyclone, but a magnetic, electromagnetic cyclone and there are pilots and shipmasters who have... at night at sea you can see a water spot. If you begin hearing in aircrafts you won't so what happens if you fly into one of these where your going to be disintegrated right away?

47:31 But what happens if you fly into one of these vortices, these magnetic vortices? Or even within proximity to it. Is that what explains the electronic fog? Is that what explains all the reports of compass malfunction? Could be Just being near one It's quite common in the Bahamas, you know. I've talked to enough people out there and they say the only reason why it doesn't get more attention is that all these old hands in the Bahamas are used to point of sight navigating. They know the islands or the peninsulas and they seldom look at their compass but when they do sometimes it's pointing in the wrong direction and they joke look the Bermuda Triangle Yeah that's trippy! How weird would it be? how wild would it be to learn

48:18 some of these crafts were going through some type of time portal and we're popping out in other ages, maybe you know thousands years ago. Maybe the high-tech UFOs that people see are crafts that have gotten stuck in the triangle in the future that have popped out in our time That's some crazy speculation but that'd be pretty wild They like to theorize about it, wormholes and all sorts of things. I remember I had agreed with ancient aliens why the History Channel has that show? I don't know but they'd asked me to explain what the theory is that the aliens are based on Earth and I said well I can explain it you know how its based in a triangle

49:02 How Yvonne Saunderson made that very popular and Jay Manson Valentine believed that, Edgar Cayce and all these guys. So I'll explain it." And sure enough they made it sound like I was endorsing it. Certainly I've investigated UFOs you cannot ignore them if you have such references in the accident report. I'm not shy about investigating anything but the whole theory is evolve about UFOs being based in the triangle? Well, I have one accident report where a weird object is alluded to. I do know of incidents where there are lines on the shallow banks as though an anchor was drugged but it's not an anchor because something at high speed underwater went over it for a long time and they go over islands and then start on the other side again

49:57 But that is as close as you come, aside from lights and reports that people make of these strange lights or even what they think is a crash coming and going from the water. So it's all subjective except for that one accident report Now, probably the most far out thing I've heard about that area and it's probably a hoax but i gotta ask you about is this story of Dr. Ray Brown where he said in the 1970s he was scuba diving and went inside of a sunken glass-like pyramid and took some crystal out of it then five years later started showing this crystal at different conferences sounds way out there! Have you heard of this story?

50:42 No, actually I thought he was the one. There was someone out there who saw Bigfoot of the Deep and remember that one? What's that story? I got one channel lost looking for that. Looking for a Jenny Hanover. Gabriel Figueroa got all upset when he was telling this story about Amazon and what lives there and he was telling Orson Welles back in the 1940s, that there was such a creature that lived in the Amazon. It was kind of like an amphibious walking man and William Alond was one of Orson Welles' Mercury Theater people he played The Reporter in Citizen Kane if you're familiar with classic movies.

51:27 Well, William Alon turned to production in the 1950s and he was so fascinated by Gabriel Figaro who is a well-known director of photography. And Gabriel Figaro had gotten so adamant when Orson Welles challenged him that this could not be true. So William Alon decided to turn this into a movie and he is the producer of Creature from the Black Lagoon. And so that supposedly does come from Gabriel Figueroa insisting adamantly that such a creature was reported in the Amazon, and there's a few people I've heard tell one got in a book somewhere about seeing such as thing called Bigfoot of the Deep where you have an amphibian that has more or less a turtle type back

52:12 hind legs and kind of, you know big foot face. Strange! And once in a while they can come up on the land and leave footprints in the Bahamas or wherever That's fascinating but I doubt that...I know But it's not a critter he is the one who saw that. I didn't know about the crystal Oh This was a famous swimmer I thought it was Ray Brown does not strike. There's another Dr. Brown or doctor, I forget who it is that saw the glowing column off Dhimini? Is that same one? I don't know what's that story? That sounds familiar to me. Saw a glowing column underwater

52:50 It's in Dr. Zink's book, The Stones of Atlantis, 1957. I can't tell you much except that I've asked divers to go looking and uh...I've seen a picture from that area that looks like something fell over but there is no column they know of but in Zink's book you can see the picture Looks like it's glowing and the diver who discovered it, William Bell. That was his name so now it is not brown. William Bell was getting bloody noses from being around this metal column he could not explain by implication of course that it was part of Atlantis. You'll encounter an awful lot of odd claims out there. There are people who do some really weird things with quartz crystals while they're cruising over the Bimini stones

53:38 Very odd things happen. Odd voodoo things happen too, voodoo sacrifices rituals from the people in the Bermuda area Oh yeah and then the Bermuda Triangle Yeah there's a lot of voodoo there Wow very odd things ritual on ships murder strangeness There is and you have very unusual Incidents where people think well, you know it took shallow and crystal clear the water I'm going to go out in a little a 15-20 foot boat and just go fish or they go out in their kayaks, and they don't understand that barracudas can use the shallow bottom to push off with. And they'll jump in the boat and they'll grab you and pull you in." Oh my God! Talk about evolution!

54:27 There's a number of derelict kayaks or small outboards, and you can pretty much guess that barracudas or something got them. I know the case in 2010 in which two people were at double kayak and the barracuda saw her she was the girl who was on the back jumped in jumped at her bit her in the chest punctured along I You have been a derelict kayak. Oh my god, yeah I was just thinking about like considering the water is so shallow there I was thinking to myself you know There's a place I should take a vacation go check out the Bimini Road Now I'm not so sure that's a good idea Well it's deep enough there you don't have to worry I think unless they really get some speed and jump up in the boat but Coast Guard Petty Officer

55:25 Powell was his last name, I think. He was off Andros Island with his outboard in seven feet of water that crystal clear beautiful water of the Andros Island and he vanished they went out there and his boat was still anchored to his fishing line over the end you know? Yeah! No sign of a disturbance no sign that heavy power boat had cut up sand underneath and they never found trace of him Creepy Now, there are also some researchers that talk about this idea that if you map out some of the ancient world's historic sites like Stonehenge and the Great Pyramids and some people also include the Bermuda Triangle in this. That you'll find these sites on some type of ley lines or nodes of electromagnetic energy that maybe in the ancient past we were more aware of where we harnessed this type of natural energy but we've lost touch with it a lot of speculation in that area do have any thoughts on that?

56:21 No. I really don't, you know? To me it's...I've read about it but it is not something that I retain as much because people who write about it associate with some very erroneous facts in the triangle about where the electromagnetic incidents really occur concentrated at any rate. To me, the triangle is the flipper, the real-life adventure in mystery in a very exotic location. It's not a paranormal pursuit for me. Sure and I mean... I don't pass judgment on people for believing it's paranormal but it's simply not what I do

57:02 Yeah, the real mystery... The facts are strange enough that you really don't have to add a whole lot of that other stuff to it. But another thing I was going to ask about is as I've always heard the Bermuda Triangle holds some type of religious significance to Muslims and Hindus and their culture? Yes! To yes, to some Muslims, yes, I got in trouble with them. Did you?! Because the 12th Imam, to some of them is supposed to according to their prophecy is to rise on a throne from the crystal, the Sapphire Sea. And they say that's Bermuda and they say because I'm regarded as the world expert that I am obliged to tell them what to do how to get there

57:50 You're the savior. I give them more information, and I had very odd communication about it after all the big terrorist insurgency in 2001 in which a couple really got adamant with me that I was to help them get there because they couldn't get into the US anymore. And one of them was a Saudi, and the other one's a Pakistani merchant mariner, and one had me in his dreams that he was to contact A man whose name means shank of beef. Well, that's not me but he was to contact another man whose name means God of beginnings and that's what my name actually means in Italian. And so they said yeah I was in their dreams I had to do this. I had to help them you know get into the United States somehow. That's far out it is interesting though that cultures that are geographically not that close to the Bermuda Triangle would have legends

58:46 something coming from that area and then in modern times we find out that it is a strange anomalous area, that's kind of a strange correlation. You can probably look on YouTube and find very serious dissertations from some within this Muslim section on the significance of the Bermuda Triangle. One of them was a doctor or something rather and he wanted me to look at it, see if it was fine and he was on Facebook with me and all that and I said that's nice for you do that but I don't understand it all but that he had a very serious dissertation on the significance of Bermuda in certain things in the Quran so that the Bermuda Triangle may be

59:29 a blueprint to this, ostensibly the last Imam. Very cool! So I understand how the electromagnetic fog could confuse pilots and cause them to crash but man...the fact that we have no wreckage that's so damn strange man No turtle grass, no little islands of Ai they're called the Ai about 55 miles east of Bimini which is where the Bahama Banks are just nothing but a sandy underwater desert, 20 feet down. You can come across this marled area from the sky and they went down there to have a look at it people I know and of course it's an airplane wreckage that's why the turtle grass grows down there There are pictures on website and I think Little Dr. Little was one who went down there in Vimini Brown and you know sure enough whenever like I told you never the old hands see

1:00:28 One of these marled locations that they will call the eye or whatever. They know there is wreckage there. The turtle grass has taken up to 10 years and it will grow around this. And so they go and look. And then this aircraft can't be identified, right? Now I've looked at the propeller, I've been on TV looking at the propeller and everything but until when it came out of the warehouse and everything but can't really find out who had this aircraft But that is an example of an aircraft that has wrecked now all these have vanished granted they don't leave wreckage immediately for the searchers to find, but within years there should be these serious eyes. These marled areas appearing on the plush sands of the Bahama banks but they never have! Not one ship not one aircraft that has disappeared has ever been found through divers just curiously finding a new little oasis of turtle grass on the bottom of the otherwise previously just desert-y sandy bottom of the Bahamas

1:01:27 Weird. So are there any prevailing theories that you put out to explain where the crafts have been disappearing or are you just leaving it up to mystery? Oh, I believe the electronic fog, that electromagnetic phenomenon is quite intimate with the whole thing. With all that I documented with all these different disappearances I assure you it's multifactorial. Not all of these vanish for the same reasons, some are just pilot didn't know what he was doing, piracy certainly can be involved but even out of 300 and some odd cases if only 30 or 40 of these are truly mysterious from the electronic fog that is we have a phenomenon that has to be looked into much more closely and it does exist there's no question that does exists

1:02:14 There are some meteorologists who now accept it. David Paris is one, he's been trying to figure it out He has worked with Bruce Gernon on it And so I do believe that what we consider to be the ultimate enigma of the triangle The electromagnetic phenomenon, the strange fogs, the spinning compasses It's quite associated that the electronic fog points to something much deeper underlying in the ocean and the atmosphere there. Ultimately solving that will tell us what the enigma of the triangle really is, what underlies it all. People should have to understand it's still a great adventure It's not something to be dismissed or erased by too much theorizing Do stick with basic information that more aircrafts and ships do vanish And be curious enough as why Don't just dismiss it

1:03:04 Or fantasize about it. Great advice! Well man, that does about do it the world is a weird place there's so much we still don't know and I'm glad people like you are out there trying to get to the bottom of some of this weirdness would you like to tell the people about any of your other work or give them your website before I let you go? They can go to www.bermuda-triangle.org To see all that I do, I will be spinning all this other stuff off into a separate website because I look for all sorts of things. I was called the real life coal check because I investigate so much different stuff So you can check out my research in finding the Real Mount Sinai or into true crime Jack The Ripper The EAR Zodiac Killer Bigfoot

1:03:50 But all that will soon be moved to a whole other website so that the Triangle site, which is huge just remains on its own with Flight 19, The Triangle and the Cyclops disappearance. Very cool! Awesome man well it has been great talking to you thanks so much for being here and take care of yourself hopefully we'll get to the bottom of things eventually Thank you very much There we have it, Gian Quasar. Cool guy extraordinaire! Thanks for listening people another money bomb starts today and hopefully this one won't be a disappointment because I know the amazing things i have been working on for the 100th episode special won't be. I can't thank everyone enough and the people at Vapor Genie for taking care of me

1:04:29 One more time I want to mention that if you are a Redditor, people at the subreddit higher side chats. I'm trying to make it pop! I love Reddit! Anyway see ya next week your move aquatic bigfoot. Yeah, a fog that won't let go Might be some crazy people talking Or somebody that we ought to know The beauty of the pale blue sea Way down in the triangle It's easy to believe Now here is one you see Strange shapes in the light

1:05:34 Shadows in the night They said that wingtips seemed to brush their faces Strangers stole their sight Way down in the triangle Where the sea was smooth and black And they knew what answer to question That you never thought viewed at a pale blue sea Way down in Bermuda Triangle Easy to lose You're feeling safe in your harbor

1:07:13 Everything seems sturdy Right next to Palm Beach and Key Biscayne Behind the velvet leather moon Goes great with worry And the sea turns up to your leaves Something strange is going on tonight Down in the blue seas Burb, use a triangle yeah It's easy to release Down in the triangles It's easy to get what's coming down