THC 81: Colin & Synthia Andrews | Crop Circles, Portals, & Alien Contact

01:44 Welcome to the show how our side-chatters drink a little drink smoking a little smoke from sunny San Diego just trying to cope I'm Greg Carlwood Today is gonna be a pretty out there show about crop circles and ET contact with the phenomenal couple of guests Colin Andrews and his wife Cynthia Both have been trying to peek behind the curtain of one of modern day's most profound mysteries And shed some light on paranormal phenomenon what type of intelligence is behind it, and what it all means? Before we do that, I wanted to say thanks for everyone listening and emailing me in about liking the show. Thanks for spreading the word! I hope to build the best possible conspiracy and paranormal show where you don't have to pay to see the archives You don't have to pay to hear the second half of this show And as a show grows so grows what i'm able to do next month will be given away at least 100 bucks That's awesome How much money is Alex Jones giving away?

02:34 I'm just saying, people want me to have Russell Brand on. People want me to get Roseanne on believe me. I'd love to do all that but we just aren't at that level yet But the more people share the show and review it and support it The more clout will have And the farther reach will have And I'll do everything I can To bring phenomenal shows to you every step of the way But help me help you Share this show Stick with me And were gonna fuck some shit up In a good way I just wanted to remind people quickly on the details of the THC Money Bomb where i'm giving half of all donations received between now and episode 85, and gifting that back to one of the listeners. We'll donate a little bit and you'll have a shot full details at TheHigherSideChats.com slash donate Here's a little news update from a man Rob Davin at Dark Space TV And then we're gonna get weird with Colin and Cynthia Andrews

03:24 Alright people, usually I would be joined now by my main man Rob Davin from DarkSpace.TV but due to my own incompetency and unprofessionalism that isn't gonna happen. I've been having some serious computer issues and Rob Davin waited for me for quite some time God love him but i didn't make it I've just been rebooting Windows at random, trying to find a Windows CD and rolling the dice. And finally we have a winner and now here we are So let me present to you some of the news that I found interesting this week before We have a complete and total breakdown Of The Computer Nature Well one of the weirdest deaths i've heard in awhile Romano Diaz age 55 was given what he thought was a health drink by his daughter But after drinking half a glass He fell ill and died

04:13 Deborah Dulson, the partner of Mr. Diaz said that he opened it and found a cork under the cap He drank some and then complained about the taste Then he said his throat was burning And his last words were...and I quote Police tested the bottle and determined that it contained $34,000 worth of pure methamphetamine. The bottle had been labeled a health drink. His daughter said she had received the package with the correct mailing address but with another name on it. She held onto the package for six months before opening it and gave to her father sometime after that. Detective Inspector Ian Simmons explained since 34 thousand dollars is such a significant amount, it was likely headed to a dealer

04:56 Simmons also said that it's not the kind of drug they normally encounter in Cameronshire, England. And he is convinced that neither Diaz or any of his family was involved in any drugs. Therefore, he has determined that the case is an accidental death. What would we do without Detective Inspector Ian Simmons? A little respect please... And we got a little conspiracy news in the comedy world this week. Very exciting stuff! It turns out Andy Kaufman may really be alive The story begins at the 9th annual Andy Kaufman Awards which were held on Monday night at New York's Gotham Comedy Club while on stage Michael Kaufman, Andy's brother began to talk about his siblings legacy and then revealed that he doesn't actually know if Andy is alive or dead. He then told a story about how back in 1984 he was going through some of his brothers things and discovered an essay written by Andy about how he would go about faking his own death

05:54 The piece said that he would eventually reappear on Christmas Eve 1999 at a particular restaurant. And when that date came, Michael went to the place to find out the truth... Andy was a no show, but that night he was given a letter from a stranger that turned out to be addressed to him by Andy. In the letter, the comedy legend explained how he wanted to have normal life and that quote, he'd met and fallen in love with woman and had daughter...and doesn't want Michael or anyone else say anything about it while their own father is still alive." Andy and Michael's father Stanley died this past summer, and Michael told the audience at Gotham Comedy Club that a month after the loss he got a call from a young woman who told him over the phone that Andy was alive. And that he had actually been paying attention to The Andy Kaufman Awards from afar...and was very proud of the event! Michael then asked if that young woman was in the audience, then a 24 year old woman stood up from her back and made her way on stage. The report at the Comics Comic which was written by

06:53 A writer named Sean L. McCarthy doesn't mention exactly how this young woman was connected to Andy, but Kelly Dwyer an Andy Kaufman Awards finalist who was there that night said in a Facebook post that the mystery guest was Andy Kaufmann's daughter In an update from The Hollywood Reporter, they've received some quotes from Ed Cavanaugh the showroom manager at the Gotham Comedy Club who has confirmed what went down on Monday night. He insists that the event wasn't a hoax saying that without a doubt this was not a prank and he also noted that Michael was clearly emotionally impacted while any videos of the night have yet to be found an image did appear with McCarthy's post

07:35 of both Michael Kaufman holding a picture of his brother and the mysterious 24-year old woman who came on the stage, I would love to see Andy Kaufman still be kicking it. In one last news tidbit something i found interesting from The Business Insider... The Iranian Air Force is chasing UFOs and they think they've discovered a new type of American drone Well of course but what's interesting about this drone is its flight characteristics An Iranian pilot is quoted as saying, some of these astonishing flight characteristics include the ability to fly outside the atmosphere attain a maximum cruise speed of Mach 10 whatever that is and a minimum speed of zero. The ability to hover over the target These performances along with their powerful ECM make the F-14's unable to operate their weapons They've attempted to intercept these drones several times

08:34 but have not really been able to do so. But after two years of research on the object's flight portfolios and examinations of remnants of a crashed example recovered in 2006, the Iranian army specified that they were indeed US intelligence drones It doesn't say how they knew that but I think it is safe to assume its either us or its aliens That does it for me, folks. I'm Greg Carlwood filling in for Rob Davin who will be here next week to give you yet another edition of Higher Education Here is my interview with Colin and Cynthia Andrews largely about their book On the Edge of Reality It's gonna get weird Don't worry about it Just enjoy it

09:25 Folks, today is quite an honor because I've always been fascinated with the idea of extraterrestrial contact and one big tasty slice of the ET Contact Pie is the crop circle phenomenon. Nearly everyone has heard of the term crop circles but most people never look much further than the surface... ...and as we know the surface is often coated in a thick oily discharge spit out by the manipulation arm of the global elite-the mainstream media And in this case, it has seared deep into the minds of most people that two guys with a couple boards and strings can produce these intricate designs overnight and that there's nothing else to it. Now I consider that a common dismissal by people led astray that haven't dug any deeper, and I'm sure my guests today would agree. In fact Colin Andrews coined the term crop circles—an impressive bullet point on their resume to me—and 2013 marks 30 years of investigation into strange phenomenon including UFOs

10:18 weather manipulation, orbs quantum physics global consciousness secret technology and of course crop circles. Along with his wife Cynthia they have put out a new book on the edge of reality which details the discoveries made along this 30 year journey and tries to find some explanations for these high weirdness events Colin and Cynthia welcome to THC Great to be with you, Craig. Thanks very much! Yes thanks for having us. As I mentioned in the intro, plenty of the established media outlets have run these stories about hoaxers being able to produce crop circles overnight by breaking them down with a board under their feet. Yet in other cases all the moisture or color has been removed from the stock which is a whole different thing Some cases seem to be obvious communication and in fact the Bulgarian government has come out a few years ago publicly and they said they're using crop circles to communicate with some strange intelligence

11:21 So let's define the phenomenon as best we can for the people. Try to give us the cliff notes to your three decade long investigation into these things, you know what's changed? How has the research evolved how is your opinion changed what conclusions have you made all that good stuff There are two or three hours left. One has to say there are many pieces to the pie and people do make some and many of the crop markings. We can talk about that in some detail too is that there remains a major mystery but most of that relates to an intelligent component to function

12:21 those that are made by people and how and why that happens, and those that we cannot explain. That really is putting it simplistically and yet it kind of poses significant questions as if where the intelligence coming from and how could influence people in any way who are making many of the crop markings? I thought to kind of put that in the program early, Greg because for anybody thatís been following this through since í83 when I coined the term crop circles right through to the current day will know as you rightly said in your setting introducing the program that

13:07 The media and the governments were certainly very keen to de-escalate the general interest in this by telling us all they were made by Doug and Dave back in 1990. They are very anxious I think to jump on that bandwagon, to try and de-escalate the general growing interest of the public itself. Thatís a very rapid overview but where I came to and this is another kind of significant bullet point, in the year 2000 when at that time for two-year period of 1999 and 2000 was being funded by Lawrence Rockefeller in New York for very specific project of looking up the people making some because we wanted to look to see where the resources should be

13:59 best spent and what came out of that is worth putting in at this point in our program. It was a significant number, 80% during that two-year period in England alone. We had names of people, how they made them where they make them leaving 20% that couldn't and that's a large number often overlooked but 20% that we could not begin to account for. But there was a common denominator between both of those findings, 20 and 80 and there was a mind at work and intelligence which is non-human that was encompassing the entire field

14:44 And so there's the debate right there. You know, I wasn't even going to bring up Lawrence Rockefeller but I had a few other people bring that to my attention when I mentioned you were going to be on the program and of course in a conspiracy show everybody's ears have got to perk up when they hear a name like Lawrence Rockefeller makes people a little bit skeptical yeah and they hear about that kind of involvement do you think that's been harmful at all to your message or to the research? Has it made it more difficult to get your point across It has in the way that you just described it. I understand that too and there's good reason for us to suspect any of the big names in politics, to suspect that there might be alternative agendas so I totally understand where that comes from but I can tell you absolutely black and white and totally truthfully what happened as far as I was concerned is

15:40 This is Lawrence Rockefeller personally down in New York. It's not the foundation. I didn't approach him at all, but I had a phone call to the office asking from his right-hand woman at that time that Lawrence Rockefeller was looking at the UFO subject in some detail and disclosure program in particular and would be interested in some funding. Of course, I was interested in some funding because weíve never had any not from anybody anywhere apart from my family and myself that thatís the only help we have on funding. So in came Lawrence Rockefeller and what they asked is worth me fully saying it because I donít want to leave anybody wondering where Iím coming from with this. I accepted that yes, I would like

16:32 some funding but I must be in control of what Iím going to be doing with this funding and I was asked to draw up two programs that needed funding that could accelerate, in my opinion, our understanding of the mystery. And I chose magnetometer surveys because as an electrical engineer myself we had some very interesting results. from those that we couldnít explain, that is from those in the 20% that we couldnít explain how they got there did show some of them magnetic anomalies so I chose to fund a project into that and the second one which is where I get into trouble

17:17 was to look at people making them because we wanted to know what they were making and the full gambit just to know where to put resources. So that was it, that is the only involvement I drew up the reports, I coordinated both of those projects and the reports went back to Lawrence Rockefeller as a privately funded project but that said, I have always been very open and have actually released documentation about all of the findings even though he funded them and they were for him. Iím a public person doing a public job so everything has been released.

18:05 and how it was calculated is public domain and also the magnetometer surveys have been made public. which makes it even more important that Colin has always disclosed from the beginning his involvement with Rockefeller so that isn't something hidden behind the scenes. But I think in evaluating what he did with it, although when Colin came out with the research findings of 8020, he was ostracized totally from the research community and his name

18:42 He was trashed in the mud and hate mail and the rest of it. Ten years later, people are now looking at his research and realizing that everything that he found then is showing up to be true now but beyond that in the ten years if so many of them are handmade what does this mean? the hoaxers has shown that there is this deeper element of interactive intelligence that's manipulating all of us, people who are making them and researching them. It reveals a much deeper connection to whatís going on than we ever thought. We can all look at things like you were mentioning in the beginning but there are some real mysteries

19:24 the alarms that went off in Collins' house, the circles that are made from the loss of chlorophyll from plants. There are some things that could not be made by people and they're part of this huge matrix that includes those that are made by people and the types of events that happen to them. Thereís really the main reason why the book was written because it does need some very careful analysis and some very careful out of the box consideration when one talks about intelligence, an intelligence thatís influencing the thought process

20:02 and manufacture of certain designs in a landscape by people that raises extraordinary questions as to freedom of choice. When this book has been fully read and fully evaluated by most people, and they come to the realization that their favorite pop star, their favorite politician or at least the one they may have put into power and later it seemed what it often turns out to be. That all of us in all fields whilst we may think that every thought is our own when your actions dovetail into other actions

20:45 the world. I think the urge is to perpetuate the kind of religion because it has the elements of spiritual thinking and religion out of designs we donít understand. The sense and the feeling that you get and perpetuating it with a myth is not really doing oneself any real good. Itís not just cause to perpetuate something that is not real or true, believe me the mystery inside of here is bigger than anybody had

21:44 It requires truth to get through it and hence why weíre very pleased to obviously participate in your program and others, to make sure that people really get this. This isnít a matter of any personal ego or animosity here. This subject does truly encompass everything that we do on a daily, regular basis. And we are watching our world changing at a critical point in our evolution and so you know this is just a small part of it." I appreciate that! You guys touched on so many interesting threads in that...

22:23 Well, let's look at the idea that some non-human intelligence is trying to steer the human race into some type of awakening or evolution. That's really what the first part of your book is about—all the reasons that someone could step back and look at the global landscape and say we're at a fork in the road of either complete destruction or changing the way we do things. Economic collapse, high levels of government corruption and civil unrest, even more natural things like earth changes and solar flares... And these things have been talked about for quite some time and it's been weaved through the ET contact and the messages people say they've received from abduction situations. And their message is always right in line with that stuff saying like, hey you're marching towards a cliff! You better change the way you're doing things

23:06 But their influence seems so subtle for such a serious cataclysmic possibility. It just seems so subtle. I agree And people are pretty dense, but what are some of the other ways that this intelligence is trying to deliver the message and help us to better our ways? I think itís the way that we grow and evolve even in all of the subjects, in whateverís looking at on a television screen or what we sense in our body when we look outside at the environment. When we experience that she is changing, our mother earth is changing, you know the air were breathing, the water were drinking, the events are unfolding our television set these are all things that influence our evaluation of life

23:51 Itís hard to imagine anybody could be untouched at some level by this period of time that weíre living in. I donít think, in my opinion looking at the whole gamut of things weíve looked up for the book and what we study in consciousness that thereís probably ever been a period of time like this in the history of our planet and thereís a lot that would support that. If youíre looking at climate change, global warming and the 800,000 year ice course that they are now looking at whether weíre looking at the fossils million years ago, thereís nothing in the ice cores or in the fossils that begin to relate to the composition of our atmosphere today. We are at a critical time and that goes for all life forms on

24:40 on our planet, whether weíre looking at and considering what the Mayan elders were looking at as astronomy and astrology. They were looking and evaluated what they saw was a 25000-year cycle. Most people have already passed the December 21, 2012 buy-buy saying it didnít happen. In fact Cynthia and I wrote the book 2012 for The Complete Idiotís Guide series and there was really not a researcher out there that ever said it was the end of the world. Hollywood did produce the movie about it. The media jumped on board for fun and yet not only was one of most accurate prophecies

25:23 that weíve come across a tremendous piece of work for that period of time. What happened in 2012 was exactly what the prophecy spoke about, an end of a period in time. Financial collapse is just about what happened when the banks and governments stole our money then they came back on the bailout and asked for it again. All these things were not over yet. This has been a global repercussion literally of financial collapse

26:06 and they went on to say much more. 2012 not only happened, it's still happening. That's the crossroads we are on. experiences and it's becoming more and more commonplace. And I think that that's kind of the wave of this change is person at a time through individual experience. Yeah, it seems like an odd approach. Sorry Greg. Oh no go for it! I'm here all the time

26:44 I was just going to add to what Cynthia was saying that in very brief terms, we have seen through people who have been regressed or indeed they've recounted in some way the memory of an ET experience, a close encounter with extraterrestrial. There's information they gather and have gathered in those experiences that usually conveys the same message and I've been privileged in my work to come in touch with many of them, the Barney and Betty Hills and Travis Waltons who I've interviewed. Myself and it's in the book something that I have not spoken very much about until recent years but had experienced myself twice when I was five years old. There is a consistency in the information we have this very strange relationship where

27:38 Voice came over independent television news in Great Britain in 1977. Coincidentally, if that truly is how we perceive coincidence I happen to be literally listening to the news and testing my first tape recorder when that happened and I recorded it you know, that would manage just under a million people and again consistent message. So crop circles have revealed it those more simple forms have come into that and electronic voice phenomena too so anyway that's kind of like a little bit more probably than you wanted but those are avenues through which this very consistent message about this chaotic period and environmental change

28:29 is entering our society. I would love to believe that we're going through a great awakening. I hope that we are! I think it might have even been my birthday wish a few times, but...I don't know? I acknowledge the storm is brewing but i'm not convinced that it's not more than just hot air. I mean, I'm sure you're familiar with the Savior motif. Yeah. I think there's an element of THAT involved

29:12 where people are subconsciously saying, yeah I can't wait for this astrological switch to flip so we can enter this age of awakening and do away with all this corruption and destruction. And I'm just kind of sick of all the waiting, you know? We have to do something. We need to be talking about things we need to be focused on creating the change, you know? Oh, I agree. Yeah yeah absolutely and that's what this whole idea of an individual these individual experiences are pushing people to do something You can't just sit and wait for spirituality It has to be personal action and personal responsibility. One of the things that I would also really agree with is that it's a polarization of people happening right now, we see in our politics and all around us so itís

30:03 Itís like some people really do seem to be getting the message and maybe not acting as fast or as intently as they could but getting the message and then a whole bunch of people who are resisting it so intently that they will fight for their right to destroy. I mean if we stand back, if we literally allow ourselves to continue to be led and not to lead our leaders. If we really truly have still not made our minds up who we want uh... then we will go with the way uh... unfortunately that we've been heading and that's not a good place i mean i don't think this is uh... anytime to be hairy fairy about you know who we are what our views are we have step forward we have to pay you know how to play out and voice in play at what we believe or where in trouble i don't think there's any doubt about that no doubt my mind man i'm with ya

31:03 You know, one of the other big questions people ask is... The level of involvement our governments have and how seriously they take this. I mean on one hand you got stories like the infamous meeting with the Greys by President Eisenhower And now in the other as i'd mentioned you have the Bulgarian government going public saying they're communicating through these crop circles To what degree would you say our world leaders have a handle on ET contact? Or do you think that most cases their just as confused as the people I think there is confusion but that said, Iím much closer than most people to some of this. You know I used to attend meetings at the Minister of Defense in London directly with Nick Pope who was head of UFO project for them and have had

31:54 interaction with some government officials here and certainly most of the leading edge researchers in this subject, many of those who claim to have been in close contact including as we said earlier Travis Walton and so on. I don't have any reason to suspect that they are not way better informed than we are and Iím certainly talking about US and UK, many of the European Brazilian governments These are governments that have been less than straightforward and less than honest with the public but have had enough whistleblowers in their ranks to be totally convincing that they know an awful lot more than we do. It would be hard to imagine that these superpowers of United States

32:47 who have people in control of their nuclear missiles, Captain Robert Sayles for example at the Air Force officer who was in charge of the Minuteman missiles when he was sat at the controls with these things. underground and received a message from above ground level that there was an object hovering over that particular silo. During the period of few moments, the systems that control these nuclear missiles were deactivated without human being touching them. Now thatís been reported up to line, Robert Silas has gone public on this.

33:36 Others have come forward who were under him at that time and other nuclear silo missile facilities at that time, and each of them were taken offline. Thatís one of the most serious implications for national security. impossible that the United States government would not have taken this as extraordinarily serious. In my own country, I'm a joint British-American citizen now but back in Great Britain we had in Norfolk a very similar situation on Christmas Day in 1981

34:19 When UFOs appeared over the base, they were holding the F-111 and cruise missiles on British territory because of the political situation that we were experiencing between East and West at that time. and similar situation played out. The head of the Ministry of Defense of all land forces in Great Britain made a public statement that this is something of the greatest and greatest concern so they must stop playing these games, at some point trust the public to get on with page in the same sheet and letís all evolve because consciousness can only move on and evolve with all that we have in our power as human beings when we deal with the truth. Some governments are not helping in the process which is our born right to evolve as individuals on this planet.

35:20 Yeah man, cannot argue with you there. Total agreement And I wanted to get back to crop circles a little bit You have several really compelling examples of paranormal activity and synchronicity going on while you were doing these investigations and also a lot of strange things have been reported by people who just planned to make a crop pattern in the night but ended up actually seeing entities or strange balls of light having weird time anomalies Which have been some of the most interesting examples to you guys that you've seen or heard about, or experienced? It ranges from many other peopleís experiences and again there are many of them in the book to personal experiences. When I do interviews, I tend to come to the personal experience although you know that I know a lot about other people because I can certainly vouch for them and in many cases have had witnesses with me but the most convincing thing is at this point where

36:22 As an engineer, I was with a small team of scientists and engineers initially looking at this. And what we did is what most scientists do is gather data. That's how it began. We gathered where they were coming, their measurements, their alignments to the magnetic north. We looked at plant analysis magnetometer any kind of correlations in the data which there were only two spiritual, archaeological sites and water collecting points. We looked at all those things and then we were being forced to look way outside the box because some strange things began to happen and they began to happen to each of us in that small team and then we began hearing from happening to the farmers, people even making them

37:14 These, and I'll give you an example. I could give you many. I laid in bed this particular night and I...I'll use the term meditated some people would say pray, but different terminology to it but from a very sincere place inside of me I meditated and requested that will be the way to put in simple terms A particular design which I was visualizing Now, you only have my word for this. I've stated it a thousand times and did every day to my family after this happened. I visualized it as a design which had never appeared – certainly was not in the database – never appeared on our planet as far as we knew in vegetation. This was a traditional powerful spiritual symbol of a Celtic cross and I asked in two parts one for this to appear and as close to my home as possible

38:08 I was still on that bed from that night. This is now the next morning, still in the bed. I had not left the room. I had not shared back with anybody. It was a private experience and private moment." Telephone goes. Itís Jeff Smith. Documentaries have been made about this since then. This is all checkable. Itís all being done. Its films are being made of it. Telephoned to Jeff Smith, a farmer close to my home to the southeast. telling me that in his field where there had been patterns over the years, there's a new one. He's harvesting and he's given us two hours to get an aircraft up or come to the fields. We got on aircraft within the hour and looking down into that field was very touching moment when this very symbol that I've requested has now appeared in its field not knowing at that time we later did of course know this was the last field

39:05 with vegetation in it capable of receiving the artist's hand as were to create a design in. That field boundary was two and half miles from my home, that's close to my home that was conceivable at that time and I had to look up the realms of possibility if that happening and that was the beginning of a whole series Wow, that is pretty amazing man. I am so hungry for a personal experience been hungry for it for years. I'm wondering if it'll ever come sometimes I'm starting to think that maybe these types of life-changing events are only gonna happen to people who really need That huge of an event to put them on this type of path and maybe I'm not going to get it because I'm already kind of on that page but It seems like you were too

39:55 But I'm sure a lot of the audience is really dying to have some type of ET contact experience. Is there any advice you give on how to have one? I guess just meditate and ask, really! I have to add there that is really funny because I think Colin and I feel the same way. Weíre surrounded by people who have experience after experience after experience and weíre looking at each other, we will just left when everybody saw the UFO arriving or we will have just I think that's the thing about calling them to you.

40:43 has a lot to do with how well you're preparing yourself and your system for these kinds of encounters. As you said, meditation is probably our key tool in preparing our bodies to interact in more ways than our minds. I think also, Greg, sorry to not allow you to come in. I was just going to add because there's a very interesting little thread here is that I've got the sense out of the – as Cynthia was saying over 30 years, there have been probably a dozen very impressive high strangeness experiences and some of them actually occurred to both

41:22 at the same moment but that said, I do what my first co-author and co-researcher and friend used to say. This is such a strange field you know takes two steps forwards and allow yourself to maintain humor and take one step back because this would blow your head off in many ways but what you see when you step back as I have seen is what I believe is a very vital, critical program that's running. This is on a timeline from the starting point and don't ask me what that was or when it was but to where and to where itís going is critical. It will involve if we get there many, many inputs. Itís like

42:13 we say in the book, moves on a chessboard. There are only so many and each move has to be the right one to achieve that successful final move and thatís how it feels to me at this strange voice phenomenon is one that really tends to steer me in that direction but this not only happens to me, itís happened to a lot of other people many of them very well known. Iíve spoken to them privately, most people want to keep it private and others have gone public that a voice is usually a single sentence will come out of thin air sometimes itís implanted in your head simple

42:52 I'm going to use the term suggestions. Some people will say instructions and they are given on specific moments, in specific times and specific subject matter. It's like whoever is controlling this program decides that hey, we need this discussed right now. We have to include this piece or that move because itís vital to whatís going to happen in three weeksí time and in a monthís time and so we come to this fork in the road where everything has to be in place before it either shifts left

43:29 and is the end of it or shifts right and everything moves. The paradigm that awaits, that is potentially there waiting will depend upon many actions. Our thought process and our action play out on a very strict timeline and I think when youíre saying this, Why is it then really that some people are having these experiences and why others yearn and donít get them? I believe because Iíve been in that place too. There will go years between certain events and slow progress.

44:07 on the crop circle research and I will lay some nights, Iím being perfectly frank with you. And I would stay there and lay there and simply meditate and basically in my head say ìMy hands are your hands where do I go next? What do I do?î Nothing happened for weeks or months and then suddenly bang between the eyes something significant and I donít know the correct answer to your point but the easy way of putting it is that as long as you know who are, this would be my kind of comment. As long as you have resolved who

44:46 that the ego side of it has been addressed, that you are sincerely coming at whatever your place in this world is from a very deep core sense of knowing who you are. It will happen whenever itís intended to happen and thatís the best I can say. The universe tends to unfold as it should, I suppose. And another thing that interests me in your book is you outline some great cases about ET abduction And the most common conclusion for these events is that some type of hybridization program is underway or it's a type of sterile entity that is trying to regain the ability to breed through using us. But you bring up another possibility and one that might have happened in the past according to shows like Ancient Aliens, but maybe they're trying to engineer a great leap in human evolution, maybe another great leap in human evolution since uh...the first one didn't seem to take

45:48 I think Cynthia is pretty well equipped as a naturopathic physician to talk in terms of the electrochemical beings that we are. Our emotions are affected literally and physically by the drive that goes on between those two So everything that happens to us drives us emotionally to move forward and I think what we have is Itís probably fairly unique in this part of the cosmos. It is of tremendous value to higher beings and to manipulate where weíre going on this jewel of a planet could be as easy

46:38 shifting our emotional fields, changing electrochemical composition and that of course can happen by what we see with our eyes and it can change by what we eat and drink and breathe. So thereís a great power at the disposal of the higher mind to manipulate mankind without standing in front of them and saying ìWeíve arrivedî So I think there are a lot of ways at looking at the evolution of our species but I couldnít agree with you more that the best part of this should be seen to be very visible very soon because this crossroads is really kind of critical place right now.

47:27 Very critical man, and I think in terms of global events in terms of big public displays one of the most fascinating things that has occurred in recent years was the Norway spiral. Google it if you're unfamiliar with it people because it's very strange It looks like a hypnotist spiral spinning in the air one night over Norway And I was so happy to see this in your book Tell us a bit about your investigation into it and other spirals like it. Apparently this isn't the only one, I was wondering if you thought this was... part of that same communication? I think there's an every good chance that it is. We have to think carefully about whether we should put in there, to be honest because we didn't have enough information or evidence that off-planet intelligence was involved with it. What we thought we had in our research was that once again we've been deceived by our own intelligence

48:24 about it and therefore, it left open a lot of questions. We became convinced by an aerospace scientist that I know personally that works in our contract to NASA. This is very much his domain and he was totally convinced and hence I became convinced by own investigation that on day one when this extraordinary spiral was seen by many thousands of people in Norway and on the adjacent boundary there into other countries, Russia too that this very bizarre phenomena

49:03 was first of all seen as mysterious. There were no takers and claimants for it on day one, but because of the modern technology in communication era, it got out on the internet with a lot of interest and questions raised. The Russians said nothing to do with us until things started getting really quite interesting with in-depth investigation and then suddenly it was well you know weíre going to actually not believe us on what we said yesterday because today, weíre going to say it is us. Well the scientists looking at this were very quick to see that the consistent and equal distance between

49:51 The spiraling arms of that blue, white and black spiral in the sky were evenly spaced. Now when a rocket which is what the Russians last claim was out of control is traveling up and arcing through the atmosphere at progressing to the outer levels of the atmosphere where it becomes thinner and thinner, the spiral arms that were visible as a result of fuel ejection which is taking their claim as true would not be spaced evenly because the atmosphere thinning would increase the distance in the spiral as it progressed through the atmosphere.

50:35 There are other things here too technically that discount that claim by the Russians and then of course, it really hit rocky ground when another one occurred in Great Britain and no one became visible over the East Coast of Australia and then in Southwest China all within a short period of time. And so we had something there that clearly we have been lied about but because we have no real explanation, enters the camp of potentially large scale technological projects

51:14 being undertaken by an unknown on our planet which puts into the same realms as the HAARP technology that US government are working with and in the same kind of table, on the same table as these strange radar returns which I've done a lot of work across the entire continent of Australia. And so thatís the reason we brought technology into this book. Yeah, let's talk about your research in Australia. Can you elaborate on that? You were tracking what you thought was weather manipulation am I right?

51:53 Yes, that is what it's boiled down to but because the government that has bombed the Bureau of Meteorology at Department of Australian Government still to this day as I speak to you they have a disclaimer upon their website which shows the national radar system across entire continent and still having unresolvable technical interference that they themselves admit now. They rejected this too when I started the research was even occurring. Well, the first said we can account for that. What happened in the west of the country three years ago was an incomplete radar return hence the design came onto a system that was seen on the weather system throughout Australia and then it happened to 3, 4 or 5 across the entire continent

52:46 and they were different patterns. I continued to research and look at the, not only the patterning but the sequence of the patterning and began to see in this patterning that when a certain sequence occurred there was a dramatic change in the actual weather that was taking place there. And in the most dramatic, maybe I should just stop here, the most dramatic change was a 1,000 year drought in Southeast the Sydney, Melbourne and that southeastern quarter there. That 1000-year drought suddenly turned into a 100 year worse flood in 48 hours and we now have a situation on this particular part of the sub subject really where the Queensland regional government have conceded publicly under

53:40 pressure to weather manipulation and weather control experiments that are underway to try and maneuver the weather into position. So I would leave it as a There's a lot that of course once again, once you get deception and lies come into the equation it becomes very difficult to resolve but what we've got are physical changes in our environment which we're of course entitled to know more about but if it is still possible that they actually don't know what's causing this and there is some other external involvement. It's unknown Greg because the book decided – we decided in the book

54:21 cast a very wide hand because what we know to be intelligence is breaking in a number of subjects, it's possible that there's a hand here too. Yeah man like you said earlier it's really tough to discern what the truth is because when you know that the official story or the government has lied to you it opens the floodgates to pretty much everything yeah I love to explore them guys! I love to go as deep down there as you can hear about some of the weirdest possibilities One thing that ties into the Norway spiral is some researchers are speculating that at the deepest level of black projects, scientists are trying to open portals or doorways to another dimension. Some suggest that's the real purpose of CERN and I wonder maybe they know there is this type of intelligence out there and they're trying to scientifically bridge that dimensional gap?

55:18 I don't know how close to the reality that is, but it's an interesting idea. What do you think? Well, I think you're very much in the realm of thinking that is really where I'm heading That's really where I see future research not only in human consciousness But what we...what is it do we know about very interesting locations on our planet. We know for example that a lot of PhDs through an awful under Bigelow's funding, I'll be talking about this on coast to coast in the few weeks time at a location in Utah range where there was one very defined place in the sky where UFOs seem to be coming through the interface

56:06 where animals were being seen to eject that had never been seen before. The Native Americans refer to them in that same area, the skywalkers. We have also a location of Silbury Hill in southern England not only where there's been an escalation and development and evolution of the crop circle subject but the UFO and ET also and thatís at one single field on our planet where all of these things have happened and are escalating. And I would call both of those locations, these are only two that we know about on the planet. Iím sure there are many others hence how you raised this is very interesting because here you have probably a kind of chakra point on our planet and if you look at the Gaia theory, a living entity,

57:03 a sense of that and here you have for reasons not understood, very specific places where all of this happens. And so if it is happening an extraterrestrial taking advantage of it utilizing it between dimensional kind of transition then there of course weíre going to be attracting the bees to the honeypot of government and military who will want to do the same thing for military purposes. So I donít think youíre raising this is unreasonable at all.

57:42 Wild man, it's a wild world and there must be some serious sorcery going on in Hollywood to get people to care about Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus when there's multi-dimensional portals opening up in the sky Jesus That's right. Yes, I love him. I love Miley personally but there you go Well Cynthia, something closer to your wheelhouse that I wanted to ask about was a few weeks ago. I did a show on indigo children and I wondered what you thought about the idea that there's some type of psychic renaissance going on as part of this big change?

58:18 And I wondered if you thought you saw that more people experiencing things like out of body experiences, precognition energy healing stuff like that. Do you feel like the percentage of people that are having those types of experiences is raising? I think it is raising and I think it's much more mainstream now than ever used to be. One of the ways that I kind of note this, is that I work with a lot of professional colleagues who have no time for any of these subjects and would certainly never believe in alternative medicine or energy healing and yet their spouses come to my practice and have experiences, they themselves train energy awareness. I figure it's only a matter of time before that door opens between them but one of the things I would say about that is I don't actually believe in the concept of indigo kids.

59:16 all kids are psychic and all kids are special. Weíre here in a time when we were born with these faculties that we donít even begin to really appreciate as adults and we lose them over time due to acculturation, due to parents who are oblivious Thereís less closing down of kids today so that kids can shine more and hold that original connection to their authenticity. I think we can call those indigo kids if you want, but Iíd rather look at it as yes, older old souls you know just all around us in all forms and um... it's an exciting time to be alive in at the time rather than rather than a particular breed of children that is making things so on very heightened right now

1:00:03 is an interesting observation if I may just add to that, Greg. In presenting as I've done now for so many years in so many places and different parts of the world that it is intriguing to me how taking Cynthia's point you have old souls how I can present to a school of school children six and seven and eight years old and then also discuss with native people like the Coji people in Colombia that have had no access to television, news items, books and the things that the western world are familiar with. None of that, the kids come straight from one lesson into listening to a man who's talking about crop circles and UFOs and these people, the kids and the Coji and the Hopi and all these people will ask for most

1:00:59 pertinent questions, they come straight to the quick of where we are what is relevant to know what is known and where were going without any other data that Iíve spent 30 years gathering myself. Itís like it simply is that they already know this. They already have this. We all, as Cynthia was saying, already have this. The subconscious knows everything. We're just screwed up by what the conscious is being given to work with most days." Yeah, it's funny. Sometimes I think the lockdown on education is just as much about weeding out energetic ability or shaping our perception of what's possible scientifically or what's rational as it is about shoehorning us into soulless careers working for the corporate machines Absolutely right yeah absolutely

1:01:56 Something else I saw in your book that I really liked was this stuff about the hum. You know, I'm a big fan of this comedian Joe Rogan he recently filmed a show called Joe Rogan questions everything for the sci-fi channel and Instead of open minded investigation it turned out to be largely a debunking show which really didn't sit well with me but one of the mysteries they left pretty open was The Great Mysterious Hum and I guess There are a couple different sounds that people hear. There's the hum, there's the big bang and I guess i'm wondering is this part of the same kind of communication with the other would you say?

1:02:36 Well, or is this something else? It's complicated because as you were just about going with this there are a number of different sounds and it's hard to think until you've got really a lot of data that they're all kind of in some way intermeshed. The Taos 41 hertz then in New Mexico, very well investigated. Governments involved with it, frequencies and recordings etc., very real. Thereís no question that it wasnít directional but heard inside of properties rather than outside. Theyíre in Bristol England.

1:03:18 of thousands of people would say the same thing that inside their home, it was lighter than outside. It appeared to be coming from above and yet here in the United States one of the investigators decided that he wouldn't be able to eliminate at least part of this but questions raised about whether it was coming from above, exterior to the atmosphere or maybe even within the atmosphere UFO related or whatever by going underground and he went down an old mine shaft hundreds of thousands feet underground. It was louder than there but it was above

1:03:57 and so there's a lot of stuff here. I, and the bang, that scary kind of trumpeting sound, some of those have been shown to be repeats from one location which was a hoax. As with all things, we shoot ourselves in the foot because thereís always going to be a counter step comes in when youíre looking at something like this and hoaxing begins then the problem becomes even larger because you got to eliminate the hoaxing but overall my impression has been ñ actually there is one other thing

1:04:40 has been except for what Iím about to say following this particular comment is that what Iíve spoken to so far with regards to the sound, my sense of this is that the major plates of our planet in other words earth changes. is going to account for a significant part of this that these extraordinary forces that are at play now hence the increase in major earthquake activity not only just before we wrote the book but since the book has been published only two months ago, I believe actually above six

1:05:16 on the Richter scale today and so there is an escalation in this, in the earth plates and the magnetic field dropping away a lot of environmental situations with regard to the solar system as well. My sense that it is that the planet itself and the plate are creating some sounds and effects that are resonating in the atmosphere that have causing some of this but That said, the most intriguing part of the sound subsection of the book here is 5.2 kilohertz that has been recorded now in a number of crop circles and in one instance where that sound was actually moving and interacting with 11 of us during a surveillance operation White Crow

1:06:06 in 1989. A report about that particular event was sent to Margaret Thatcher's cabinet and to the head of state, McQueen and I have private correspondence about that. I was there. It wasn't the author of the report but it was very definitely interacting with the individuals who were there so we can account for it all We've since incidentally, to leave that perhaps on an interesting note again referred to in the book was that since we actually recorded that sound

1:06:45 At Operation White Crow, my first co-author and friend Pat Delgado unfortunately who has relatively recently passed away returned on a hunch to investigate that sound. This is in just in relatively recent times this was just three years ago actually returned and recorded the same frequency emanating from the trees in that part of central southern England, in this particular area. That 5.2 Hertz which of course we also know is used by the dolphins and unfortunately the submarines of the US Navy. Yeah I have heard about that how it jacks up dolphins...it's really sad yeah but you know my thoughts about The Hum there is this idea

1:07:35 the alternative research community that there is a sound technology that has been lost. Some natural resonance with the earth that can move large objects, some people believe that's how the pyramids may have been built There was a place in Florida Coral Castle some people think of sound technology was used to lift large stones there put things into place So in the context of getting clues from a hyper intelligence trying to nudge us in a direction using technologies that work with the earth rather than against it. So hearing you say that there's a sound frequency emanating from certain crop circles, I wonder if this might just be another layer to the clues left by this intelligence?

1:08:17 I would completely agree with that and I'd like to see how you tied all of that together because we've often felt too, it's that sound vibration that lays the plants over in the formations that are not made by people. There is no question in the work that I do with healing that sound has an ability to shift energetic and physiologic patterns in people's body maybe through their brain or limbic system but it's certainly requires further investigation here's a hunch correct let's have it there's a hunch to leave you in your program because man already this is uh... i've not said this before but he hears a hunch based upon a lot of data one information from a number of sources i believe that there is a very specific frequency that when utilized with spiritual energy

1:09:11 Itís a very simple thing. vertical, there's a ratio along that leg there. And I think that's almost like the moving arm of a rheostat you might say in dimming your lights. I think it was a combination in that geometry that I've just described using those particular aspects of energy that may well be the key to this whole range of subjects. The UFO which utilizes that geometry has been seen and photographed, certain designs we've seen in the fields, certain information we have gleaned from electronic voice phenomena at the Skoll experiment in England, Luxembourg and Germany

1:10:06 This I think is the hunch to leave with you because in there is going to be something very significant of what you have just stated. Huh, well I don't think i'm smart enough to figure anything out but you definitely left me something to mull over for a while. Man it has been great talking with both of you! You know we've covered a lot of ground your book covers way more strange phenomenon than I had expected and I recommend it to anybody who's interested would you like to give out your websites or any upcoming events to the people before I let you go? My website is www.colinandrews.net and the book On The Edge Of Reality is available there but certainly at Barnes & Noble and Amazon, itís also available now in Kindle. My next involvement is going to be a CD that has actually just been launched but I hope

1:11:03 impetus of what's intended for it is going to be seen in the future months. It's called Action Moves People and I think you might hear a little bit more about that just down the road a little bit, and I think Cynthia has your website? My website is www.andrewshealingarts.com or www.thepathofenergy.com Yes, and I have several of my own books for sale on those websites too about subtle energy and emotions as a primary translator of subtle energy. Awesome guys! Well thanks again. I loved every minute of it you have my respect And if you ever need a field investigator in Southern California, I'm in Thank You Greg So keep fighting the good fight guys. Thank you my friend thank you very much for having us on Great program thank you Take care

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