THC 66: Jon Rappoport | Snowden Suspicions & Control Methods of the Elite

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Happy days are here again, higher side chatters. Drinking a little drink and smoking a lot of smoke! I'm Greg Carlwood and I am honored to have John Rapoport on the show today one of the best investigative journalists in the conspiracy space he covers it all The global elite and their multi-pronged attack suppresses true potential of individual misinformation about health

00:53 And he's great at pointing out fake news stories and what effects they're meant to have on the masses. We're going to cover as much of that ground as we can, but first I've got my good friend and occasional co-host Kyle Pruneville here with me to lay the base. Kyle, my man, what's happening? Oh it's good to be on the show again Greg! Yeah man i love when you are able to do this otherwise im just sitting her by myself getting super high and popping bottles like I have any fucking reason in my life to celebrate What can ya do yknow Little mimosa to get the show started so what's new with you man would you been up to well i wanted to share funny story because. You know we have this conditioning are right about this on my blog a lot we have a kind of a perpetual conditioning sense were born and it just keeps on turning out and we just make sure we keep really reevaluating our position within the group

01:45 And one crystal clear example happened to me. There's like a public theater and they have some free seats way in the back in St Louis called The Muny, and so we went to a show and were sitting on the free seats and everybody is enjoying themselves and talking before the show starts and then over the speaker system you hear now rise for the national anthem. Of course! You see literally everyone stand up And to be honest, I feel this part of myself stand up. This feeling in my chest that the upper middle part of my chest just is like okay it's time to stand up. You're drawn? I'm drawn in! Everybody's doing it...I start to do it and then all the sudden my wife Carrie is like what are you doing?! No we're not doing this and so I'm like yeah fuck The National Anthem why am I standing for The National Anthem what is this

02:42 And so we sat there and you could just feel that the people around us were like shocked, scared startled upset with us. Total strangers you know? You didn't stand! If we were infirm if we were handicapped we might have got an exception but the fact that we were able-bodied was like why didn't you stand?! Right who decided that straightening your legs is necessary to show respect it's an empty gesture Well, it's like praying before a meal. It's like this little ritual to make sure that we're all on the same team here and you know it's kind of purposeless we all agree in other words it doesn't look million times but that ritual in the moment we have to keep doing it in order to make sure we're on the same page

03:30 Yeah, it's funny because in high school there was a time where and you remember how it was at st. Pius before they kicked me out They were gunning for me for a long time but uh one winter night at a football game It was really fucking cold I had this tiny blanket and a hot chocolate up in the bleachers And I was all tucked in just right and they did the national anthem, and I wasn't gonna stand up. I didn't stand up! And sure as shit Mr. Fuckhead Zalonko was standing behind the bleachers and saw me calmly sitting there not making a scene at all... ...and as soon as it ends he yells up to me that I just earned myself a detention so while school is not in progress.. ..I did something that got me punished at school which you know is a common thing back then You know that happened

04:11 to me a lot so you know fuck that place St. Pius High School in Festus Missouri if you're sending your kids there, you should be on trial for fucking child abuse they kicked me out for really just resisting to comply with the rules and meanwhile they have several teachers that are allegedly fucking students. Allegedly? I think we could both name at least two cases of male teachers slithering into the pants of young impressionable girls who look at these people for guidance, and all they have in mind is dipping their demon cock into the sweet nectar of an innocent you know that's school

04:48 So we have parents paying $1000 a year, thousands of dollars a year really. I don't even know how much money that should be going to pay for all the tools needed to help their kid kickstart their passion in life. Proper nutrition Oh yeah, I mean that too. But you know if you're looking to... the point of this is to better your kids chances at success You know take that couple thousand and buy them a real quality movie camera if they want to be a director Do something for them besides indoctrination Yeah, there's this kind of... the indoctrination drops off after a certain point. You know you become so conditioned you're saying yes sir Yes ma'am okay I'm going along with the show going along with the program I followed all the rules but then when it gets to what am i supposed to do with my life that's where the programming ends they're like why are you asking me? I don't give a damn! Why are you talking to me about what you should be doing? You need go get a job right figure it out for yourself

05:47 It's like, whoa I've been following the rules just on autopilot this whole fucking time and all of a sudden now it's like oh it's on me. Now its' on me to figure out what I'm going to do to grind away and make a living in this world? Its not that great! You know where's the guidance now i need someone to say you know what you be a great painter that's what you do effort and energy and money goes to education filled with false information. And the destruction of creativity in uniqueness yet i was a bad guy cuz i fucked with the national anthem didn't stand up. Yeah well did you tell me how to hot beverage is a beverage here man there's some ladies people have no respect for hot chocolate in a blanket they just like

06:32 the national anthem supersedes all. It's disgusting and you know that's kind of like we were talking about yesterday, I mean you mentioned that everybody wants us to be on the same team! You know people say our government our military but it's not ours has nothing to do with us their army they being a highest elite and they have us use the term our because if we don't look at it from... We won't look at it from opposing viewpoint if we say our Yeah, oh yeah. I mean people travel across the world and they think that because they're an American that has some context like... it's so wrapped up in their identity that they just think these terrible things are gonna happen to them if they travel but its like

07:21 People talk about our reputation across the world. The US, oh we have a bad reputation like who is we? If I personally as the individual go to Chile do you think these people are mad at me because of the United States what are we talking about here? We're talking about totally separate things but people get wrapped up in it. Yeah there was an Egyptian protest sign that kind of went viral a picture of it that I saw many places but it said you know, to the American government basically fuck you get the hell out of here we're sick your shit and then underneath that it said to the American people We got nothing but love for you. And I thought that was pretty powerful but at the same time

08:01 you have to accept some responsibility for your government. People aren't worried about their reputation in Turkey because Turkey doesn't have a goddamn base in every country on the planet and isn't bombing the shit out of the Middle East, people aren't mad at Canada or Australia because they don't let their governments completely run amok so I do think we do have some sense of responsibility At least that we should be resisting this, we should be protesting. I would be mad at us. Yeah i think most civilians in other countries would be mad at us it's just

08:42 I don't know, it's like there is a really aggressive mean jock. Physically violent drunken jock who is in charge of our team and everywhere our team goes he just is totally violent goes way overboard is totally racist and culturally insensitive and getting into fights with people all the time And like, this guy's on our team and he represents us everywhere we go. And everybody else in the team is kind of sitting there like geez this guy is kind of an asshole He's on a loose again you know? Who's gonna stop him none of us can stop him We just seem like we should have some responsibility because were nearest to him You know But wer're just as big victims as anyone else Yeah I mean he's our teammate

09:27 But it's like we really don't have a coach, you know? In that analogy who is the guy from the outside perspective who knows what's right and is like okay well you're being really violent and aggressive. It's out of line, you know? We need to restrategize what our team is doing because this guy...the military industrial complex He's an uncaged you know people I hope you really enjoy your support the troops bumper sticker because it's those very same troops that are gonna be dragging Your ass through the streets like the scum You are cuz they've been brainwashed to believe for whatever reason it will be at the time that we're the bad guy Because we're not on that team so we can be shot and beaten and put into a camp. Oh

10:08 The tide will turn and I feel like we're in the midst of that with all these spying and the drones, the needing for justification of a domestic drone strike. Needing justification to kill a person because the government has determined that they Committed whatever crime they're supposed to have committed I mean when the person's dead going back and going over the evidence and putting them on trail really doesn't do a whole lot of good murder. I'm in like with drone strikes or indefinite detention like it went on a mobile Yeah, they can just seize people. No charges no trial not that I think courts are just but there's just no way to undo the them putting you in a cage once they've put you in a cage You're there? I don't know how you can Houdini your way out of that right Did you see that video that was going around of most deaf going through the forced feeding procedures that they go through at Guantanamo Bay

11:07 It was terrifying and yes I've seen that. Yeah, it-I had a few people comment on that saying like this is not that unusual this is what they do in the medical profession you know he's being pretty dramatic and I'm just like whoa whoa whoa! Like hold the fuck up. Shouldn't a person have the right to die? Like, I mean Jesus Christ. I guess that's a big issue It is illegal it is definitely against the law But someone should have the right- The right to their own life! To die You are force feeding people that are protesting The conditions in which they're being held under Which is no trial We don't even know their names They're locked away in a dungeon

11:49 For the their entirety of their life. I mean Jesus Christ, I'm upset because 40 hours a week I have to go to work these people 24 7 locked in a cage away from everyone They know their only escape is To die there only means of that is to not eat You know how fucking hard that must be to just fucking die of not eating and yet they get a tube shoved up Their nose and they get fucking pate, cat food, fuckin' nasty ass blended sh- meat put up their nose like that is got to be hell and they're only living because of that and they can't die. Like Jesus Christ what kind of fail- I mean that's ridiculous And then to have that be defended

12:36 I think it's impossible to defend its insane but the only possible rationale is that the person whose force feeding the person who wants to voluntarily die. The force feeder is actually the one who has their best interest in mind. You know, they really know what's best for you and it's kind of silly to commit suicide don't you think? So I'm just going to give you a little bit of food up through the nose and we're just gonna keep this show going but its done... And this is analogy for religions too It's like I'm helping you accept my help because I know what's best for you and you don't even know whats good for yourself

13:18 You know, something else I wanted to address before we bring the guest in is like you know i guess a lot of people look at The Venus Project or the Zeitgeist Movement and they say that is a shell for the New World Order because they want one world governance also. But one world governance isn't the bad guy it's-it's...you know..the authoritarian state, you know? The surveillance state the countless things they do to people obviously that are bad, there's no way you could look at the world operating as one and think that that is a bad thing. It's all just about corrupt leadership

13:57 And, you know our guest today John Rapoport he talks a lot about collectivism and we're kind of hinting on those topics on those themes because being on the same team creates a situation where that's how the Nazis rose to power they created a space where everybody was like oh I want to be on that team. And then you kind of put up with the bad things that the leadership of that team does, you know. That's exactly what it is to be an American! You want to be on the American Team... ...you don't necessarily like the military or drones and surveillance but uh... It's all part of being on a team. That groupthink is definitely detrimental and it's definitely a control mechanism

14:37 But at the same time, I really do think that creating a world that is unified would make it very hard for war to break out again. You know you got to have people thinking of themselves as humanity rather than as white people black people Americans Middle Easterns and and that's pretty important but i guess John's bigger point is suppression of the individual's power. And yes, obviously I think everyone should be able to do what they want to do. I don't want any restrictions on the way a person lives their life but i think we should be working as a global unit and I don't care if that something The New World Order also wants because it is completely different in my mind. Yeah these guys want control the banks and money but they do so by divide-and-conquer They make little factions fight between each other

15:33 and slowly they control everybody. But I think that's quite a different thing from it, a one world kind of like perspective where we looked at all life and all people's lives as valuable an if anybody is locked in the cage or getting force fed tubes up their nose then none of us are really doing that great and we got some serious shit we need to resolve still. Yeah, I feel like the path of the individual though sometimes takes a right wing libertarian kind of perspective and saying that you know everybody should have the right to live their life without any regulations and not all this red tape in the way of their dreams. And that's something I agree with but at the same time

16:20 You know, if there's people in your community suffering do you really have security? And it's not even just about that but that's the way I try to reach them is saying you may not give a shit about Dave down the street who has taken cans out of your garbage to eat. But uh... The day there are no cans there he might just come into your house with a knife and say gimme what's in your fucking wallet because I gotta eat! And you don't want THAT That's a regulation type- that's some red tape to go through But I just hate when the cold, I hate the cold-heartedness of the libertarian perspective. Yeah there's a cold heartedness in almost every even the so called bleeding heart liberals like everybody essentially has a cold heart and their regard that

17:07 because the pace of our lives is so busy in order to just get by, we don't notice the well-being of the community around us. And if we were just living with no work schedule and no real timelines, the first thing that would kick back in is empathy and we'd look around and go shit! These guys aren't doing so good. We would go towards those problems but you know in our day-to-day lives Well, maybe there's some health agency that is helping them or some government group can help them or some church but I can't take time out of my day. I can't dedicate my resources to helping other people. True! Amen man

19:23 I also wanted to mention that if you're in Missouri, there's an event in Lee Summit which is way the fuck out there. But it's this weekend It's the second annual Mid-Continent Paranormal Conference It's cheap and it's going on this weekend August 2nd 3rd They wanted THC to have a presence there but it was just too hard To get that going we were gonna send Kyle out there to represent but even for a guy who lives in Missouri Lee Summit ain't close Well, I apologize. It just happened to be in a situation where my car needed to be fixed... My tooth etc., etc. I would love to be at this con. This is a wonderful con, and I support this con... And perhaps by some stroke of fate they will see me there." Yeah! That'd be nice but either way it's this weekend if you care. I told them how i would mention it because they wanted us to be involved and I said that we can't be involved but I can tell people about it But I can't make a habit doing this for every fucking thing

20:18 I know i've been plugging a shitload of events lately and it's because I want the alternative movement to gain some real world steam. But, I mean...I'm gonna have to stop because the excitement and enjoyment that I get out of these events is always trumped by my disappointment at how small and old this crowd is I can't find 20 people under the age of 30 at the one ParanoiaCon event ever, yet the shitty baseball team can fill the stands three times a week. It kind of pisses me off! I want more out of all this you know but i think im just gonna have to be happy with the show and move out of the country where i can still broadcast and just hope for the best man. Amen Anyway, finally Conspiratees my conspiracy themed high quality clothing brand is the best way to help THC and look good doing it. I have a lot of different designs with a ton more on the way once i get good at the hand printing an unlike so many other things in the world of conspiracy I try to make these shirts stylish and high quality but all let the ad do what it does we'll be getting deeper than a St Pius school teacher on the other side of John Rappaport

23:03 We're going to look at a few of these recent news stories, these small branches of the conspiracy tree and then hopefully we can broaden things out a bit and try to look at the tree as a whole. The roots that help it grow in the people who water it And today's guest is just the man who take us on that trip John Rappaport has been writing about the real news they don't want you know about for many years on his website NoMoreFakeNews.com and in his two massively large collections, The Matrix Revealed and Exit from the Matrix he also does that as well John was a candidate for the US congressional seat in the 29th District of California And has also been nominated for a Pulitzer Prize From right here in sunny San Diego John welcome to THC great to be here Thanks yeah man it's great to have you I'm really excited for this show some of the topics you talk about like

23:49 true creative power of the individual and the false reality we've bought into are really interesting, and their conspiracy at its core really. And I definitely want to build to that but let me kick this off by asking you about the Edward Snowden situation. I've come to learn that if the mainstream media is covering any story at length across all networks then it's probably not a true story or the narrative has been altered And so as more and more of the Snowden story was being reported, I started to wonder what's really going on here. And it seems like we're getting real information but the media are gatekeepers and they don't tell us what we're not supposed to know So something is not right You have a pretty interesting analysis of this situation yourself Would you mind walking us down that path a little bit? Sure Well, I've written a number of articles on this Basically, I took my cue from the breaking story in The Guardian

24:39 about snowden and his own statements about his background because many things seem strange to me starting with the fact that uh... as a high school dropout he suddenly assumed a position but cia who was sent to geneva under diplomatic cover which is serious stuff and became kind of a supervisor there on system security Then he claims that one of the key events had soured him on the CIA was when in Switzerland a few CIA guys

25:22 They did something to a banker. They encouraged him to get drunk and drive, he got busted and then they bailed him out and formed the bond. Eventually the banker started feeding CIA guys privileged information. I thought to myself that doesn't ring true. You're telling me a guy is working for the CIA in an incident like that which is sort of just the very mildest kind of things? The CIA does turn this kid against the CIA. And then he also claimed that even at that early date, 2008 while he was in Geneva, he had enough information to take down the entire US intelligence network which seemed very dubious

26:06 Then, of course we have the whole episode � I'm sort of short-cutting this. There are other anomalies in his backstory. But then he goes to work as a contractor for Booz Allen and he's assigned to the NSA and that the NSA, which is the most brilliant and comprehensive and meticulous spy agency in the world just happened to forget to put security measures in place within their own shop. To prevent a loan systems analyst like Snowden from stealing the farm with a thumb drive and walking out

26:52 I highly doubt that story is correct and uh... i think that we have to keep in mind that the whole spying network are trained liars and they lie all the time so why should we believe such an improbable tale? I don't think thats the way it happened at all. I think whatever Snowden took He didn't have access to himself that the NSA really does compartmentalize its data stashes, and that it's very difficult for any one person to take down the whole system and to walk off with it thereby being able to expose everything that NSA does and how they do at the blueprint. The whole shoot-and-match. That in fact these documents were given to Snowden as part of some kind of operation

27:47 My hypothesis is that this could very well be the result of an internal turf war thatís been going on for a very long time between the CIA and the NSA, because the NSA has proved to be the boss when it comes now to intelligence gathering, because everything has gone electronic. and the CIA, which formerly relied on human-gathered intelligence was like the dinosaur in the club. And they have resented that for a long time and this has to do with government budget money I quoted

28:25 an incident up on the hill where we see that several billion dollars was taken away from the CIA and at the same time added onto NSA. These people in that community are extremely provincial in many respects, internal warfare among agencies is the order of the day. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Snowden's former employees or somebody there in the CIA approached Nodin and said, look we know you're patriotic. We know you have good intentions. We think the NSA is getting out of hand here they're spying on everybody and we need a guy! We need a guy who is willing to go to work for the NSA to pretend that he has no longer has any CIA connections and we will provide that guy with documents

29:24 hopefully punch a hole in the NSA's reputation and maybe we can take them down a notch. Are you that guy? And these would have been a number of conversations to vet Snowden and to decide that yeah, he'll-he's willing to go along with this There are a number of other potential explanations but the one that Snowden himself gives To me is just simply too far out for example here's another one He enlists in the military service when he is, I don't know 18-19 still doesn't have a high school diploma and all of sudden he's in special forces training. I do not know how that happened but let's assume it did and then has a training accident where he broke both legs and therefore was dismissed from the service

30:20 Well, hold on a minute. The only reason that he could have gotten into the Special Forces program in the first place as far as I can see is that he's a computer whiz and they certainly do need people like that but Why would breaking two legs suddenly they call them into the office and they say gee ed you broke both legs So now we know you can't help us with computers anymore Therefore when you heal up, we're going to discharge you from the service Doesn't add up doesn't make any sense. So, you know I just put all of this together and said

30:56 Yes, it's a good thing anytime we can take down the surveillance state a notch although I don't really see that happening. It's a good thing to expose the NSA because there are lot of Americans who didn�t We didn't know what was going on, although a lot of us already knew all this stuff. Let's not pin all of our hopes on one guy or think that we understand the real motivation behind it." Yeah, I mean the idea of interagency war kind of makes sense because didn't the CIA also expose the affair that General Petraeus was having which made him resign from the FBI? That's kind of a shot at the FBI right there. Well he had no... He actually resigned from the CIA so it could have been the other way around. Reverse reverse! So sure the FBI exposes this because they want to take the CIA down a notch

31:55 This behind the scenes interagency warfare is going on all the time because they're all battling over the same basic money pie that Congress a lot in the budget. That's just one of the reasons that they battle with each other and the public isn't exposed to that, but it's always going on. Yeah I mean the idea of these interagency power struggles, it's an example that i hear skeptical people use to say that there is no conspiracy. There is no capstone to the pyramid if you will It's all just various groups fighting for power and money which does definitely seem true on one level but our society... It's only one level Right!

32:35 set up so carefully and with every detail considered, I have a hard time believing that that's not the product of decades or even centuries of careful planning by powerful people. No? I agree, absolutely. It's all about levels and it depends on where you plug in. You see different events happening at different levels. It's like being in an elevator in a big building. If you go up to floor number three and get out, this is what you see but if you get back in and go up to seven, you're going to see other players doing other things for other reasons even though the events

33:13 are the same. They take on different coloration and different hue and different meaning, and if you go up high enough now you're really looking at some serious planning long-range planning...and you can also see the objectives so you can learn a lot more the higher you go. Absolutely that's a great analogy for it I mean that's what i want to get too you know? I wanna get to the highest level of understanding It seems to be the deeper I'm digging into some of the other things that have happened lately. Sandy Hook and the Boston bombing, there's a lot of people out there that are saying these weren't even real events, they were completely fabricated for the cameras with crisis actors. That is some pretty deep level stuff if it were true. Have you looked into that aspect at all or seen any evidence for that to be true?

34:08 I've looked into it. I gotta say that at this point, and you know I'm always willing to change my mind but at this point everything i see...I look at these events as having significant staged elements for particular purposes but I don't see them as things that never happened. I don't see them as completely false Although, yes. You know we've got this strange mixture of oh we're doing drills while the real thing is happening you know all that and in the drills crisis actors are used and so forth And there are even anomalies like that in the real scenes to make them seem worse than they were or to focus a public's attention but at

35:02 At this point, I would have to say that I think that these events actually happened. In other words people died and were wounded and so forth. The people that stage these kinds of things have no compunctions about doing it. They don't care whether people die, they don't have to go through just such elaborate lengths which would expose them to the possibility of being discovered in some ultimate simulation fabrication where they're quite willing to kill real people with real bullets but staging of the events and

35:43 even more how they're being used after the fact. Then we get into some real stuff about social and political engineering of the population, for example you know the whole second amendment gun issue We now have to take uh... right of self-defense everybody away from everybody because we've had these three incidents you know in Aurora Sandy Hook and Boston It's completely absurd and there are other agendas that are being promoted at the same time. There is always the agenda of trying to make people fearful and to pull in their own fears

36:26 energies and to say we have to cede authority to the leaders in the police and army and you know law enforcement everybody just so we can stay safe so keep us safe wake us up when it's over and we won't cause any waves well now that you're talking now about a huge multi-pronged campaign that's been going on for a very long time which is to pacify populations, put them in the state of trance basically. some of these shooters are on anti-depression medication and stuff like that, you can then take mental health which is kind of subjective. There's a lot of gray area there to say someone isn't mentally healthy and you can lock them up and do whatever you want with them. They're now a threat

37:33 You bet. I've written a lot about this, as much as I've written about any other journalistic subject over the years, you could say I've written as much about psychiatry and the hoax factor at so many different levels within psychiatry Yes in the wake particularly of Sandy Hook we saw Obama say We're going to build new community mental health centers across America. We're going to have much more careful surveillance, which plugs the surveillance state into all of this so that we can identify these people as being mentally ill before they do these things and we can put them away, get them into treatment and all of this is code for

38:25 making fake psychiatric diagnoses of huge numbers of people in the population, calling them dangerous and mentally ill. Putting them in psych wards or which amounts to something quite similar putting them under the influence of psychiatric drugs which also is like a chemical straitjacket and so now that agenda has up the ante tremendously in america as a result particularly sandy hook where the population for example we have uh... state law that was passed immediately in new york saying that a psychiatrist any psychiatrists had to report any patient that he thought might be a danger to himself or others to authorities and then if that person owned a weapon

39:16 That weapon would be confiscated, taken away and he would be refused any weapon in the future. All of a sudden now you've got the surveillance state aligned with psychiatrists so that if a patient goes into a shrink in New York State and says off the top of his head I had thoughts of killing my mother Now that psychiatrist is sitting there thinking, ìOh man. If I donít report this dude and then he actually does something now itís all on me with the new law so I must err on the side of caution for my own survival and start reporting anybody who has any thoughts or violence that he expresses to meî and now what weíve got is

40:04 Forget doctor-patient confidentiality, that goes out the window and now we've got really a psychiatric state, martial law state. and uh... fantastic amount of control it's being exercised over people through doctors through the police working in conjunction with each other so you bet i mean i could go off on this for a long time but one thing i would say and i've proved this over and over again um... at no more fake news with my articles is There is no mental disorder in the books, of which there are about 300 official separate

40:47 There are no labels of mental disorders. There is no mental disorder that has any confirming diagnostic test whatsoever, no blood tests or urine tests, saliva tests, brain scans and genetic tests � nothing! Zilch! Zero! They're all fabrications and fictions. It's not to say that there aren't people running around who have serious problems or are acting in bizarre fashion, or who are suffering from severe allergies or nutritional deficiencies, chemical poisoning etc., and who aren�t suffering emotional pain.

41:31 but to chop all of that up now into these distinct disorder labels that require the patient to receive toxic drugs and they're all toxic, the whole panoply of psychiatric drugs and to saddle them with false diagnoses, you are now talking about a PSYOP, a psychological operation aimed at the population through this pseudoscience called psychiatry which is enormous and growing all the time. Oh man that's sad stuff but uh you know to get a little bit deeper into this you know media manipulation and government oppression it's pretty easy to grasp but let's talk about why these

42:20 things are going on. Why is this false reality being presented? I mean, you talk about the real goal being suppression of human potential throwing our energy out of whack destruction of the imagination things like that and i see how it's possible but i struggle with it because you have books out there like The Secret and New Agers who talk about manifesting your reality and of course it sounds good But I just haven't seen enough evidence of it to believe that that's possible. How did you come to these conclusions about what's going on at the core? Okay, well let me take up that last statement that you made because I agree with you completely when it comes to New Age philosophy and The Secret and all that balderdash...

43:00 Because what those people are basically saying is there's a trick and if you learn the trick, then you can do the trick such as I think this and then I manifest what I want. That's absurd! What I'm talking about when I talk about creative potential is a commitment to a creative life, which is completely different. It has nothing to do with the short attention span version that's just kind of a sales gimmick promoted by people who have their own motives for doing it.

43:43 The repression of the basic core of what a person is, which is individual power, energy freedom creative potential imagination. The ability to create new realities and not just with the flick of the finger but I think that's a great question. when you even bring up this subject because most people believe that imagination is just a toy for children and when they get to be certain age, then they're taught okay that's the end of that and now you have to fit into society and find a niche for yourself and become an android basically and live that life.

44:44 Well, creating androids is the ultimate goal of globalism which now we're getting into the upper floors of the elevator. The elites on this planet want to put the entire planet under one management system. One political and economic management system, one military management system... ...one legal management system, one medical management system and so forth. And this involves mega-corporations and governments acting in concert. The reason that these elites want to do it

45:26 First of all, they want that power. They want to be at the top of what people call a new world order or whatever they want to call it but itís basically a management system. We own the power and we will give you what we want to give you and we will take from you what we want to take from you ñ all goods and services distributed from a central point through algorithms that are developed. We decide who eats, who doesnít eat and who has fresh water and who doesnít, when and where certain goods will be produced or wonít be produced. Itís a planetary chessboard and the elites

46:11 They want to run it more comprehensively and in order to be able to do that, they have to subdue and pacify the population. They have to distract the population and promote certain high-sounding ideals that mask their true intentions. and talk about how weíre all in this together, humanity is one and itís all unified. We have to raise ourselves to that consciousness to see that the individual is a myth thatís no longer necessary in our evolution and we can discard it as everything is collective or group etc., etc. Now weíre getting into the more upper reaches of what the real agenda is.

46:54 Yeah, I mean it's... Go ahead Kyle. I just wanted to say that from the outlook of the state apparatus and these corporate model and how the psychologists view us It would seem like the creative personality is itself kind of a disorder And that from their point-of-view they're very robotic Kind of like going to and from work driving in your car That's considered completely normal but the person who might experience pain and emotion, and have a long process before they can finish a piece of work... that is definitely viewed as something quite strange and possibly in need of medication. Yeah they're unstable! You bet you've nailed it I mean that is a major facet of elite philosophy And just to kind of flesh that out a little bit more The elites

47:56 Look at humanity at large in the population as dangerous, potentially dangerous. Out of control biological machines who are unpredictable unless reined in who have no impulse control, who could go off at any time in some mass revolts for no apparent reason as if triggered by something. Therefore according to their view all this has to be brought under control and order must prevail.

48:33 and since they view us as having absolutely no spiritual or creative component that is intrinsic to who we really are, then in their thinking it's simply substituting one mind control program for another. In other words they already look at humanity as being under a misplaced and not very good mind control program that needs to be changed. It needs to be changed for a far more orderly and dominant paradigm of mind control, and then everything will be okay once that's enacted fully

49:19 That's how they look at it. So for the kind of person that you're talking about, say who is an artist and who has embarked on a major enterprise of creativity, that's a disease of some kind. That's an aberration in the program that needs to be treated, that needs to be tranquilized and sedated and put on the shelf because that's unpredictable So you bet, absolutely. I mean it's a topic that really hits home to me because as Kyle and I were just talking in the pre-show we went to school together in a private school and there are tons of examples of little times where I felt like I was doing something creative that I was really into that kind of got stripped away from me and I was told to pay attention like... We were, I think four or five guys in our class in fifth grade who were writing novels. We're all writing these sci fi novels

50:14 And we didn't give a shit what was going on in class. We just wrote, wrote, wrote and then we showed each other after school like what we were writing and we all got called into the office like hey these kids aren't paying attention in religion class because it's the Catholic School this really needs to be addressed. It's like, well what are they doing? Well they're writing these novels and my dad is like whoa whoa whoa! My fifth grader is trying to write a book you better let that let that be!" You know and it's like you're paying thousands of dollars for this so-called education to find some type of inspiration for your life and really what you're getting for your money is the exact opposite. You bet perfect example So there was every chance just

50:58 Just making a few small adjustments that you guys would have all been diagnosed with ADHD and dosed with Ritalin or Adderall Because that's exactly the kind of thing where a doctor Forget a doctor first to teacher then a school counsel then a principal Then it shrank because all these are referrals up the line would say oh really I'm distracted bored writing a novel, okay. Well alright So you've got In my menu here, you see there's no test for this. In my menu of behaviors, you've got ADHD, your hyperactive so you need the following drug Ritalin or Adderall So what are these drugs? They are amphetamine like drugs their speed keeps me so you give a kid this and what happens

51:51 Most of the time or at least some of the time, the immediate response is wow! Clarity. Wow that's just pretty good I like this stuff and so the kid goes along with it and then after a certain amount of time which could be almost immediate Or it could take longer you get a speed crash What does that mean? Irritability Aggressiveness That is way out of line sort of in a totally antagonistic attitude about everything jittery nervous all the symptoms of a speed crash and then quite often you get a state of sadness

52:37 The kid withdraws. Mommy takes the kid back to the shrink, he looks at the kid and says, ìOkayî so what we have here is a completely new disorder called clinical depression. Well doctor could this have anything to do with the Ritalin? Absolutely nothing not connected whatsoever! This is an emergence which we see quite often of a new condition, clinical depression, so now what I have to do is prescribe Zoloft. Okay, so now one of the effects of Zoloc is a manic-consumption disorder. condition and So now you the kid begins to do the up and the down And the up in the down the up and down back to the shrink, and he says well The clinical depression diagnosis was only partially correct because now what I see is this really bipolar? so now what we have to do manic depression. I have to give the kids Valpro a lithium now we're talking about the possibility of You know stroke

53:38 death from these drugs Among other effects. So this is the ladder that they put you on and it's all part of this You know, that's on you know We get off the elevator on four three for that but if we go up to seven and look at the bigger picture now what? we're looking at is the creation of the global state wherein the entire population is put under this kind of control, one way or another so that eventually the end desired result is passivity. Complete passivity. That's where they're going. It's super sad and it's kinda funny because you're reading right off the script You could be a doctor just by reading those words

54:26 It's super sad, but from the globalist perspective... From the elites' perspective it seems like it is really hard work. It's almost like a self-enslavement because you've got all of the money in the world just take your 2 billion dollars buy an island and carry out the rest of your life in paradise You're still going.. You are convincing yourself that you have to do this I don't know. It just seems like self enslavement. You should be worried about yourself and freedom with that kind of money. You would think so yeah If you look at how they got the money, then I think that's another peek into their psychology. For example, let's say we're talking about one level of these elites in the Rockefeller dynasty and all that it controls.

55:15 In addition to just good old-fashioned capitalism, what we're also seeing here is the commission of tremendous crimes. Ongoing crimes that any honest prosecutor would say to you this is Rico, this is life in prison for the whole family and a whole bunch of them right? Then having accumulated this vast portion they turn around with that kind of history and there's a certain amount of Nervousness you might say even in the psychopath It's the nervousness over being exposed or being caught or being found out Being discovered for what they did. And so they say well, what's the solution? and how much power can I accumulate to enact that solution and what they come up with is well if

56:04 Well, this is really psychopathic to the greatest degree. We have to put the whole planet under the gun in order to ensure that we're safe forever because we're at the top of the heap now and looking down it looks kind of dangerous from here. You have to kind of take that point of view, to get a peek into their own psychology. Because as I said before they look down at humanity and they say boy you know that's a forest of wild animals running around there and we just don't know what they're going to do and when they're going to do it so

56:45 bring order out of chaos, no matter what it takes. No matter how much manipulation it takes, no matter how many wars we have to promote, no matter how many countries that we have to make go bankrupt, no matter how we have to rig the money system of the planet... We have to do whatever is necessary to eventually make this one nation called Earth undivided over which we have ultimate power I really feel like the fear of human nature and what human nature basically is. Are we basically good? Are we able to get along collectively or communally, I prefer to say... Or is it that were dangerous and we have to hold a club over our heads? Alan Watts has a beautiful quote about this. It's that if you can't trust your own nature

57:40 It's as if you have to hold a club over your head in order so we don't all rape our own grandmothers. You bet, that's exactly it I mean this is the great philosophical ethical question are people basically good or are they bad? Good or evil? Yeah left to their own devices Are they going to basically, the overwhelming majority of them at any rate do good and reasonable things or not? And to me the answer is fairly clear.

58:22 On balance, they will do good things if not manipulated into doing bad things. They can be manipulated! I mean there are all kinds of ways to do that... the invention of enemies and threats and so forth Now that's not to say i'm not putting up some sort of a Pollyanna-ish view of humankind in fact My reading of history, or what could have been history, alternative history is that it's kind of the principle of non-interference.

59:00 If certain people have made a society that has a certain amount of freedom, of movement, activity and action, commerce and independent thought etc., the best thing that society can possibly do is try to become self-sufficient. In other words, we don't have to go great distances to try and get stuff and control people or do business and politically influence what they're doing.

59:46 What we need to do is try to become as self-sufficient as possible and this is going to imply that If self-sufficiency is our goal as a nation, then the kinds of technologies that we develop are going to be different from what say we've got here in America in 2013. They're not going to be the same technology because the thrust is going to be aimed at other directions for example energy self-sufficiency which could have been achieved many moons ago in America without any sort

1:00:23 There are all sorts of ways of having done that already. Then we look across the seas and see other societies. We say, ìWow! They just seem to be devoted to killing each other or whatever it is. What are we going to do about that?î Hereís what we do about that if we want a really good outcome. We say, ìWeíre not going to interfere in any fashion either politically, militarily

1:00:59 Economically, we're not going to send the CIA in there to act as a front for corporate interests and try to convince these people to give up their natural resources and most fertile land. We're not going to do any of that stuff. We're not going to engage in any form of commerce. I think it's a good thing that we're not going to be able to do this. We do actually become the shining example on the hill. For real, we're not just faking it anymore with slogans and all kinds of bullshit you know which is the way we do it now So now we open the door to knowledge If you people in this distant land called whatever-it-is-we-don't care want to come from...to us

1:01:57 or gain knowledge from us and learn by example how we did what we did, which is authentic and genuine and real. We will give you that knowledge. You can have it and do with it what you will Of course, if you decide to do something threatening to us with it we're prepared. Believe me! So we're not going to give you the whole farm at once We just want to see what happens and here's our political philosophy and of course that is open to the world You can do it for yourselves or you can keep killing each other for the next 300 years That's up to you But we are not going to interfere because once we start to interfere It's gonna get worse

1:02:42 That's the lesson of history. It always gets worse when you interfere. It may not look like it gets worse in the short run, but in the long run that's always the case and that's why historically we've come to the place where we're at now. People are trying to dominate control influence other people and of course when you try to interfere with other people's freedom No matter what that freedom is used to express You're always going to get criminals and liars whether they're religious liars or economic liars military political whatever they go in there and say we're here to help you, and that's total bullshit and

1:03:25 We're here to steal from you. We're here to rob you, we're here to kill you... ...we're here to say that we are going to bring a better civilization but that's a lie and that is always the case it makes it worse not better so thats the way things could have developed historically would have been much better off but it didn't happen that way yeah its real shame because I do feel like people are inherently good or at least disinterested in the lives of others as long as they have enough resources. You know, I mean lately we've done a few shows about scarcity and how that's manufactured mainly through the use of currency really because the currency seems to be what scarce not the resources The grocery store has plenty of food on an acre of land you could grow more food than you can eat We now have 3d printers and depending on who you talk to free energy devices like he kind of mentioned

1:04:18 But the barrier of entry is dollars, their dollars. And it makes everything seem hard to come by because you can't get anything without the dollars. I mean do you think that might be part of the programming? Another artificial limit put on our potential? You bet! No question about it. During The Great Depression...I did a little bit of research on this long time ago And I was told that there were something on the order of 1,500 private currencies that came into existence during the Great Depression. Local currencies right? So basically what happened was the people in a community got together and they sat in a room and they looked at each other and said guess what we're okay! The people in Washington or wherever it is... ...and the people in New York running the stock market and all of that

1:05:13 They're in this fantasy world with money and whatever they've been doing or whatever manipulation however works They say the country has gone broke So let's ignore all that screw that I can see here in this room, we've got a number of farmers. We've got tradespeople and craftsmen and all kinds of people. So what do you say if we develop our own currency just as means to barter because that's what it is? And then we'll issue a certain amount to everybody and use that money to live and exist." They did! They did okay so you bet

1:06:01 There's no question about that. There is a currency that still exists in Ithaca, New York called Ithaca Hours which was founded by a guy who used to know in Los Angeles Paul Glover and it has been going now for probably 20 years and it's basically that sort of thing. Of course there are slight political slant but they're basically oriented towards local merchants and local producers including farmers The last time I looked, they had a hospital or clinic that would take the money. They had local merchants who would accept the money and it was getting out into the community

1:06:45 Talk about human potential. One of the interesting things that I noticed, which Paul pointed out and he already noticed it himself is that they put out a newspaper with testimonials and success stories by people who were using the money in Ithaca. You found that people began to think about what they wanted to do in life in concert Using that money to sort of like magic Wow so people began to think well, man I've got some new money here Maybe what? I really want to do in life instead of this thing over here is acting over there right now That's what I want to do and maybe somebody would pay me to do that in the new money and lo and behold they discover Yes Yeah Somebody will pay you

1:07:33 They can actually partially at least make a living that way. So yeah, you bet it goes hand in hand You create scarcity of money you repress human potential? You reverse that trend and so people begin coming out of the closet of their own psyches and saying Maybe I can think about what I truly want to do in life and actually do it Yeah, that's a pretty fascinating example of how it could be different. I'm at my wits end and thinking about making a move to some smaller country where I still have internet access and can still do this show but I'm not constantly bombarded with all the bullshit. But there is an example right here

1:08:16 That's pretty awesome. Another area of this multi-pronged attack that I wanted to talk about, that you've researched a lot is health. Obviously it'd be health. We have chemtrails, fluoride, GMOs all hitting us in the same way through various chemicals and you've done a lot digging into the health side of things but what can you tell people about real health and getting sick? Are we victims just chemicals and bad science rather than viruses and germs I'll give you an example. If you look at the medical pharmaceutical cartel, what you see is that they're basically doing market research

1:09:10 How can we invent a new disorder or disease with the new label for which we can then develop the drug? We don't really care if the drug actually cures the thing because it's an invention to begin with. All we care about is drugging the population and incidentally making gigantic profits, so you get such enormity of toxicity in pharmaceuticals that by a conservative estimate every year in the US, 106 thousand people are killed by pharmaceutical drugs directly. FDA approved certified as safe pharmaceutical drugs. That's over 1 million deaths per decade and that's a conservative estimate and if people want to look that up they can go to July 26th 2000

1:09:59 Journal of the American Medical Association, a review called ìIs US Health Really the Best in the World?î by Dr. Barbara Starfield who at that time was working at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health so everybodyís credentials all way up and down the line were meticulous mainstream credentials and that was her conservative estimate based upon much research. So that just gives you a minor clue to the destruction being caused by the system. But when we get to the question of viruses and so on and so forth, here's the example I would give you. A recent paper published in the BMJ British Medical Journal by Peter Doshi, D-O-S-H-I examined the flu in the United States. And what he discovered was the following

1:10:55 I think that every year, hundreds of thousands of samples are taken from patients who are diagnosed with the flu up front and are analyzed in various laboratories. What they discover is that only about 18% of those tests come out positive for any flu virus whatsoever. So what's happening is you're getting all sorts of people and it isn't just the flu diagnosed in the United States as suffering from germ-caused diseases when the truth and actuality are completely opposite, it�s just false or phony

1:11:35 and they're prescribed all kinds of toxic drugs for this phony diagnosis, and they're being herded into clinics to get vaccines to prevent this phony diagnosis. And even if I were to think which I don't that the flu vaccine works at all I think that's the way to go. chemicals in it, there are chemtrail residues coming out of the sky. They're already taking medical drugs that are toxic and weakening their immune system etc., they're drinking water with fluorides, we could go on to eating GMO foods etc. But you see germs make a tremendous cover story and thatís one of the things that

1:12:29 I've tried to press home in many articles that are right. It's a fabulous cover story that is sold to the public, tiny invisible enemies attacking us and we don't know where they're coming from, we can't see them, we're victims of them nothing can be done about it except go to your doctor and get a drug etc. It's a fantastic cover story for why untold numbers of people are getting sick And so it works. So in that sense, the medical system is the cover story for whatever is really and its multiple factors that are really making people sick

1:13:06 To me it all harkens back to when you're a kid and you're going to school, if you've gone to a public school it's amazing what you do learn about and what you don't learn about because I remember germs. I remember constantly being told that washing your hands with chemical soaps is how you make them clean. If you keep the sandwich in a petroleum-based plastic bag that's how you keep it clean and so on and so on, but at the same time there's some topics from school I curiously missed out on. I don't remember gardening, I do not remember nutrition cooking eating balancing a checkbook how to use you know the currency of the world you have to use...I don't remember any of those topics! And it is strange because it doesn't really seem like they are equipping children

1:13:53 with any sense of divinity whatsoever, no spirituality in school. It's totally frowned upon and we've gone into a very scientific... it's like a myth of infallibility! It's a myth that all these instructions coming down from the top-down these are the proper and right instructions and they're coming down from on high accept them in order to like be accepted into the clan that's going on here. Yeah, oh you bet I'll give you one illustration of that in the very best health food store in San Diego where I live I mean their organic produce

1:14:38 is just far superior to anybody else's for example. As soon as you walk in the door, the first thing you see is a dispenser for bacteria wipes. Yeah and sanitizer! Please take one it says Are they kidding me? The people who are supposed to be the most enlightened about health are walking in there like robots and grabbing one of these and wiping their hands. That's exactly the shit that I don't want on the mango that I buy, being fingered by somebody who wiped their hands on that wipe."

1:15:16 But there it is and that's exactly what you're talking about. It's this kind of brainwashing which is one half of Science is perfect, and we all know You know how to apply it and we're going to show you what to do in just obey orders Which is a total fairy tale? You know that so we get that on the one hand And then on the other hand its the omission as you say in education Of all of those things that could make you I think it's a great question.

1:15:59 certain things that I was interested in very much, but nobody had ever sat me down and said There's a thing called food and Let's talk about what food is That never happened. I had no clue about any of that until you know, it was probably 30 So yeah, that's the system. That's the way this isn't work man It's kind of depressing, but you know to wrap this up and try to end it on a somewhat positive idea maybe is with all these things being pushed on people fluoride chemtrails an aggressive police force trauma-based media brainwashing education Etc. Etc How can we reclaim? A little bit of our freedom insanity I mean how can people tap into their potential and circumvent some of this stuff do you have any advice Yeah, I do

1:16:53 Let's see, I'm going to try to give you the nutshell of it in a minute with yet another illustration. Each one of us has the potential to create endless numbers of realities that are different from the consensus reality that is out there and each one of us knows we're looking at a charade out there in so many respects of con men Here's what I want to see.

1:17:41 A presidential debate on television, live like they all are with an audience in the hall. All the networks are covering it and there's no way they can't cover it but they have to cover it. The two candidates, whoever they are doesnít matter, are talking and as they're talking laughter breaks out. This isn't just a few chuckles and guffaws, it begins to grow. No matter what they say people are beginning to laugh in great numbers falling out of your chair laughing

1:18:17 Crying laughing thinking you're having a heart attack Laughing that grows and grows and grows in the hall because all these people can see directly through the charade It's like looking at somebody on the street and being able to see their skeleton through their clothes. It's undeniable And it's a gigantic joke if you're actually there and you're seeing the way these con men are trying to pass themselves off as being people who really want to help you. As this laughter grows, what are the networks going to do in a control room? Are they suddenly arbitrarily cut off from presidential debate?

1:19:00 And then the outroar that comes after that, like what happened there? What are they going to do? They don't know. They're screwed to the wall The laughter becomes infectious throughout the entire country and the world as people watching this on television see what's really happening because they too know that it�s all bullshit and Now, what you're essentially getting if you would think of it in electoral terms is a vote with no confidence in the entire presidential election. It's all the people saying that it's bullshit � left or right, senator or Democrat or Republican.

1:19:50 Itís just striking us as being incredibly funny right now. The power of that, although there are people who say ìWho cares? That wouldnít change anythingî, believe me, would do something significant especially if it just kept on rolling. There were people who could make you laugh in that way because they're pointing out the obvious fabrication of consensus reality That's one place where the creative and imaginative potential of the individual comes into full play. How are you going to do that? how are you gonna wake people up in that way so that they see And we're living in this bullshit, and we're accepting it Isn't that completely insane should I cry or laugh well why not laugh oh

1:20:35 What happens if that gets to be a gigantic crescendo? It's only the people who have zero access to their own imaginations, who can't see that as a possibility. They are so super serious that they just can't see that mood make any difference at all but for me, that is the completely natural response among others of what is going on now a completely natural, spontaneous response of millions and even billions of people. And that produces change." Yeah man! That's poetic! That's beautiful stuff I mean the phrase laughter is the best medicine has never been truer than in that example. Yeah right it really is if like a lot of other things you can take it far enough

1:21:27 You've got to take it far enough. It's just like what laughter actually is, there's the laughter where you go man that you know and you laugh and then you stop that was really funny yeah okay but then there's that other laughter where you don't exactly know why its happening or where its coming from but you can't friggin' stop because it's like whats happening then is consensus reality is exploding Yeah, it's breaking down. And if you can remember which I certainly can and it happened to me as both an adult in the child but as a child I remember vividly once that starts that ocean starts then everything is funny

1:22:13 It doesn't matter what happens after that. Somebody says something in response or tries to and that becomes yet another somehow, mysteriously incredible joke where everybody then goes into hysterics again. That used to happen as a kid to me maybe once a year with a bunch of people. What's happening then is reality is exploding All the consensus reality is exploding at once. It's like a chain reaction, it's the good H-bomb. The L bomb! The L bomb baby, go for it

1:22:50 Hey, that's an awesome way to end the show man. Well do you want to give people your website once again? Yeah sure it's nomorefakenews.com You can come there and read all about what I've got going And you can sign up for the free email list and all of that Perfect! Excellent talk man. I really hope we have you back from time-to-time To weigh in on current affairs. I really enjoyed you being here and thanks again Thank you any time. All right, John take care take care Damn that was pretty good man. What'd you think of that episode? I loved an episode. I thought it was great but it was so in line with where my head's at lately and just Loved talking with John about it Yeah, man I mean the laughter thing at the end was pretty great because

1:23:37 I don't know if you can remember examples of this, but I have always had a problem with laughing in super serious situations whether i'm being yelled at by the principal or In danger of getting my ass kicked like I just start laughing. I can remember one example in particular We were at Pizza Hut we used to have these gatherings on a Friday night where a couple of guys would just hang out and eat pizza And bullshit. I mean we were literally like in the seventh grade so it was cool Just to be alone for a night There was a group of guys that were probably seniors in high school who thought we were looking at them wrong. So when we're on our way outside, they stopped us and they got all up in our face. They started pushing us around like, We're going to kick the fuck out of you motherfuckers! And as scared as I was man, I could not get the smile off my face which just enraged these guys even more. I think they ended up throwing a box of pizza in your face... In MY FACE

1:24:32 Yeah, and it's just so funny man because again it is the breakdown. I'm just like man why so serious? It's a great response there's actually The Laughing Many as a concept that's in occult magic and if you're doing ritualistic magic The way to break the spell is the laughing many. To just be laughed at totally diminishes the power of the spell And you know, it's so cool in the context of like everybody laughing at the president which is totally natural and should happen for God sakes. But the idea that it would really really shatter the whole spell that reminds me of deeply psychedelic states The onset of a psychedelic state just makes you laugh at what just prior to it was consensus reality

1:25:28 Yeah, it just slips away and all of a sudden. It's like oh that was one version But that's not the whole thing right and I mean isn't there also uh There's a you told me about this but laughter meditation is the thing where people just get together And just force themselves to laugh until it becomes contagious and natural and that excel in itself releases endorphins and positivity and then you go on about your day It's a fantastic meditation. It's better in groups, it's kind of hard to do by yourself you know? You can fake it for a long time and your just not laughing and then your like is anyone listening to me what am I doing but with others its great another one I did oh my god this was on under the influence of psilocybin mushrooms one time but it would work without the mushrooms believe me! I believe with meditation this stuff works without the enhancement devices such as mushrooms

1:26:25 The trick is, you get in a circle of five or so members. Each person lays down and you put your head on someone else's stomach and create a ring of ears on stomachs And all the sudden if anyone starts laughing it is so ridiculously contagious It feels so weird and ridiculous You start laughing, the person's head is on your laughing stomach They start uncontrollably laughing all around the circle It's an insane, it sounds insane but it is a really funny and fun exercise to do. Yeah its so weird people just feel uncomfortable doing those kind of things I guess because we're just so used to being serious adults and people can't... Pay attention! People can't break that stuff to break away from thats why I think

1:27:19 these vices or these chemicals, you know like alcohol marijuana it's escapism. It's escape from that very seriousness Oh, definitely. And John... I just really love the way he laid it out because he does make it seem so absurd He shows total ridiculousness and subjectivity of psychology or psych- uh yeah psychiatry which then is taken as top down totally factual this is you know an expert said this An expert said you have what a bipolar and he's the expert that why we're paying him

1:27:57 And like, you know it seems so serious to people now but You know what may seem kind of ridiculous to somebody in a scientific mindset is if your skid was your kid was acting up in school and So they said that's it. You gotta go to a Reiki specialist They're gonna have to realign your auras and yet they have color therapy and and a scientist I you know Somebody of the normal kind of point-of-view might just look at that as totally absurd and in the future I hope that people will look back on psychiatry and pharmaceuticals as equally absurd as color therapy. And just, it was in an era where it was taken to be totally legit and scientific and factual... ...and then the future will look back on that and just laugh! In the same way we look back at the mythologies of ancient people and laugh and say oh they were so primitive they were doing such stupid stuff

1:28:55 It would be great. It'd be great to have people look at currency that way, you know? And I think the third Zeitgeist movie they talk about If we ever do get to a resource-based economy, can you imagine sixth graders in school learning about the old ways of capitalism or communism? Same fucking thing. Of just monetary systems and just laugh! Just be like oh so you just let people die in the streets outside of the grocery store Oh that's cool That makes sense Well the grocery store had to lock the dumpster So that people wouldn't know how much fresh food is actually going out of there

1:29:33 Yeah, that was your way. Okay? Oh so you literally took the entire country and took wires all the way across mountains everything You put literal wires to everyone's house and a meter on each house So you knew exactly how much to charge for the energy that they're using which is generated by a power plant, which the power plant doesn't know how much energy should cost. That's just a barrier put on electricity Oh! That's the way you guys lived? Oh adults live like that too? Okay cool Alright well I'm glad my parents didn't fuck a few years sooner

1:30:13 Oh my god, we're born right at the edge of this because I really feel like the youth are waking up. The youth in my opinion there's a real opportunity they feel like they're breaking out of the trance They're starting to look back at literally all of the behavior patterns of their parents Their parents parents all your uncles aunts All these people act the same! This comes from a culture that got us to where we are now, but now we're looking back and thinking like this shit is insane. Like all these things We've been doing are totally insane and a good analogy of this is that I hope it'll be like the youth become like indigenous people the way indigenous people might look at a missionary who comes there and tells them what God is all about and what they have to do and What they're doing wrong? And the indigenous is like

1:31:05 That is a whole different mythology. That's your mythology, it's not mine." I wish i could be more optimistic...I don't know A lot of people seem to be waking up. I like to look at the numbers on the show honestly and I don't talk about it very much but there are tens of thousands of people that listen every episode and its kind of one-sided because I don't get to hear their opinion but I just have to assume that by tuning in, by listening every week They're in agreement with at least 80% of the bullshit that I say or that you know, I have guests on to kind of push these ideas and That's

1:31:48 hopeful that gives me some optimism but at the same time I mean you and i both know the people that we know in our regular lives, the people we grew up with. The group of friends we had who was were always down for laughter You know man! The group we had in high school was insanely fun and it all just broke apart because the financial system. You have to get involved, you can't live at home anymore you gotta start living on your own which is shackles you down to a mortgage or rent and you gotta figure out a way to pay for it and it sucks all the fun out of life and unfortunately we've never thought that there might be a better system than that... It's a damn shame but when I look at the numbers of this show

1:32:33 encourage that I'm not alone, but I wish we could take these people and really do something. You know? I really wish a community could start... That's what so disheartening about going to conspiracy con or paranoia con and seeing it be kind of barren is there are people out there but we gotta put real world energy into this shit it can't all just be listening to a podcast or two you know? There's got to be some real world energy applied and it can be fun at the same time if you get in the right mindset and have the right amount of people. But I don't know man, at times I go back and forth...I want to create

1:33:13 small community that has these values at heart but then other times I'm thinking, I can't do it and I just might as well retreat. Retreat to Mexico, retreat to Chile take care of myself. Retreat to Mexico sounds pretty sweet to me yeah well maybe we could organize that maybe a lot of people would be willing to do that It's already taking shape its coming together I think we could start uh...I don't know I think you mentioned on the show one time We could have a higher side chats themed resort in some other country that we set up and it would be legit. Yeah, I don't know if i talked about that on the show but it was definitely an idea like if we took a place like Acapulco Mexico or something and we lived there had a good internet connection and maybe...I don't ever want to charge for the show

1:34:07 I'm so against that but at the same time like i gotta get out of the nine-to-five job and really dedicate myself to this project. And there has to be some type of funding for that, and there just really isn't right now but it would be amazing fund a community where instead of doing these interviews via Skype, which we could still do we could also bring people in and this resort would just have a constant flow of creative thinkers of great minds coming and lecturing it would be pretty awesome and people could come and stay. And eventually I think a community like that would could grow, and grow bigger and bigger until it just negates the authoritarian police state

1:34:55 It's not that our particular group has to overcome the entirety of the trance. It just needs to carve out a little space where we can be sovereign, we can have our own little mythology, our own idea of what a day should look like and how much time should be spent having fun as opposed to being extremely serious. Yeah I mean I don't want to fucking make anybody do anything but i want to have the freedom to enjoy life and that is being choked out of me all the time. Your power, as John said, to manifest a new unique reality and outlook and just break the trance

1:35:39 You're already doing it man, you're carving new terrain. I feel like even if people aren't totally in agreement with all the things said on this show which can be at times highly speculative... Yeah! ...I think at least we are having a narrative or at least an ongoing conversation really trying to map out what's charted all out? What is fucked up about the way things are? What do we not like? What are people tired of? What can we fix? Where can go from here?" And it's moving its got some directionality to it. I know man is just about taking it from the digital space and into the 3D world. It's not manifesting in the three-dimensional space like I wish it was, but you know two years in there is time. There is definitely time. Kyle, I definitely appreciate you being here doing these little before and afters with these interviews. I think its great! And I appreciate you taking the time to do that with me

1:36:37 Yeah, I love doing it man. You put me on with some of these most interesting researchers who've got a really good grasp of all kinds of stuff and it's an honor and pleasure to be part of the show! And check out my blogs as well they're legit. It's a process to write, its difficult and a lot of times I ask for feedback from people and don't get it and feel like piece of shit but I'm gonna keep churning them out so if you'd like to give me feedback that That would be great as well. Kyle's pieces, Conversations with the Other are up about once a week maybe once every 10 days at TheHigherSideChats.com I also tweet these things and put these things on Facebook Give them a read

1:37:17 And yeah, comment. Respond! I do appreciate the emails and Facebook messages that I get back It's pretty overwhelming. I try to respond to as much of them as I can just to let you know that I got them and it's great Alright people once again please share this show review the show retweet it to your friends help me not be a piece-of-shit failure which is how I feel like right now Also check out Mind Comics at mindcomics.com for some enlightening and affordable entertainment, use the coupon code THC to save 20% and let them know that I sent ya! Check out Conspiratease for some badass shirts And if you're in the Midwest check out the geographically accurate Mid-Continent Paranormal Conference

1:38:03 There it is people, the fat lady is singing and I declare this meeting of the Midnight Society officially fucking closed. Thanks everybody! Son look at all the people in this restaurant What do you think they weigh? Out the window to the parking lot At their SUV's taking all of the space They give no fuck They talk as loud as they want They give no fuck Just as long as there's enough for them Gotta get all the microphone down at Walmart Talk about some shit that's been on my mind Talk about the state of this great nation of ours People look to your left Yeah, look to your right They give no fuck Buy as much as they want They give no fuck

1:39:09 Just as long as there's enough. Son, look at the people lining up for plastic!

1:40:05 When you'd like to see them in the National Geographic Squatting bare assed in the dirt eating rice from a bowl With a towel on their head and maybe bone in their nose See that asshole with the peace sign on his license plate Giving me the finger and running out of this lane God made us number one cause he loves us best But we should go bless someone else for awhile And give us a rest Yet everyone can see