THC 61: Jeff Berwick Interview | The Economic Collapse & Your International Options

01:44 Welcome back our side chatters drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke from San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and i'm really excited about the information in today's show Because a lot of us out there can see that life in the western world seems a little less appealing every day Whether we're keyed into the constant subtext that our economy is on seriously shaky ground with a population That's literally held hostage by the operators of the federal reserve and their band of merry men Or maybe it's the recent revelation that every major communications company is providing the NSA with a backdoor into your phone, computer and goddamn Xbox that has you rattled. The list of concerns goes on and on but whatever is most of us are stuck inside the American bubble without knowledge or resources in how to best keep ourselves from being victims of problems we can see coming from miles away And what good is that knowledge just say I told ya so to people you're shackled too on your way to the FEMA camp?

02:33 Well, today's guest anarchist Jeff Berwick started a website called Dollar Vigilante with the tagline surviving and prospering during and after the collapse. And that is what he is here to help us with today In 1994 Jeff founded Canada's largest financial website Stockhouse.com and was CEO for 8 years until he sold the company decided to travel the world visiting over 100 countries gaining knowledge no broken school system could ever provide And I'm thankful that he's going to share some of that knowledge with us here today. Jeff, my man welcome to THC! Thank you Greg great to be here It's a real pleasure i'm glad you're here there are tons questions for you because as much as I like talking about UFO and psychedelics I don't know how it will help me improve my life especially when I can barely pay the rent but let's get this ball rolling lets talk about your travels I am sure you have some great stories I know you had a pretty big hiccup near El Salvador How did all that stuff happen?

03:27 Well, you brought up I started up stockist.com in Canada still the largest financial website in Canada so but I didn't know what about how bubbles were created So I wasn't paying attention to What Greenspan was doing that bastard and he was creating a bubble in tech? And what happened is my company grew to a size of 240 million dollars and then a few weeks later It was almost worthless. So I kind had a few questions about that. I was kind of curious what happened exactly And no one knew. I went to brokers, all these sort of MBA types and everyone just shrugged their shoulders and they just said well that just happens sometimes and I said I don't think that's all there is to this. And I was living in Canada at the time up there we have the CBC government news channel propaganda channel and I knew I wasn't getting the entire world view on what's going on from the CBC so I thought well I have some time now

04:21 I was kind of done with this company and had a little bit of money left from that whole collapse. So, I bought a sailing catamaran and thought to myself, I'm going to try sail the world and see what's really going on through my own eyes not through the lens of media. And so, actually one year after I bought the boat I got down to El Salvador and got caught up in some stuff. And pretty quickly my boat sank, and I ended up on my surfboard. Oh man! Yeah then some guys saved us obviously the government didn't save us we called the El Salvadorian Navy and they said maybe tomorrow will come look for you but some real people came and saved us a couple Americans and a guy from New Zealand he didn't come from New Zealand just happened to be in the area

05:06 When I got to the shore, it was an amazing feeling because everything that I owned was on that boat. All I had...I actually saved my credit cards and my passport in board shorts so I had a zipper on them. And I just bought a backpack! It was an amazing feeling because I was completely free. Do I even go left? Do I even go right? I don't know where I am to begin with. So I thought I'm going to buy a backpack and travel the world for at least a few years. And it turned out to be about 4 or 5 years and just live completely spontaneously. I would literally go to an airport sometimes, say what's the next flight you got? And a few times actually got on flights that even know where i was going those two places ended up being Sharjah... I don't know if you know where that is. No neither did I it's actually pretty much a suburb of Dubai didn't even know that

05:50 And the other time I was in Sri Lanka and I hopped on a plane, actually the Sri Lankan airport had just got bombed that day by the Tamil Tigers. And I thought my flight would be delayed. I actually woke up in the morning and I turned on the news and they said the airport's being bombed by the tigers, the freedom fighters or whatever which is sort of over now but... So I thought, oh good. I can sleep a few more hours because my flight's obviously going to be delayed and they showed up and they're like no your flights gone? And I'm like you didn't even delay the flights when you were getting bombed? They're like that happens all the time so okay what is your next flight? And they said Chennai have you ever heard of Chennai? It actually turns out to be Madras is what it used to be called in India. I knew I was going to India but didn't know where so I actually got into Chennai and got on the internet and did a Google Maps, I don't think even existed back then in 2004 maybe it did but there's more like MapQuest back then

06:44 and figure out where I was. And yeah, so I lived that way for a number of years and it really opened my eyes, really got to see what's really going on in the world. And along the way I discovered Austrian economics and that explained completely what happened with the tech bubble, explained completely what happened with the housing bubble and collapse in the U.S., and is going soon explain why all the fiat currencies are all going to collapse in the next few years. Yeah, I mean that's crazy. Why don't you tell us a little bit about the bubbles? We've talked at length about the Federal Reserve and the fractional reserve banking system but in terms of economics these bubbles that happen how are they completely manufactured

07:25 Well, it's all money printing. One thing that you might notice in your government indoctrination camps—your 12 years of child slavery and getting your badge of obedience after twelve years is they never talk about the money system and that's because they don't want you to know. Ford who created obviously the automobile he said if people in the US understood how the monetary system worked there'd be a revolution tomorrow And he's right! That's why they do not want them to know but now thanks to the internet people are finding out how it all works It's a cabal, it's completely controlled. Actually central banks are a tenant of communism they have nothing to do with free markets or capitalism or anything to do with that. So it's a way to control the money system and its a way to pay for communism by printing money. Its a way to pay for wars you couldn't have all these wars there is no way not even call them wars more like occupations but

08:15 you know, you wouldn't have this Iraq war Afghanistan War Libya and other that are getting involved in Syria. You wouldn't have these if every single US subject got a check in the mail or bill on the mail every month for all the wars that they would all be over within a matter of days but because they can print money they can kind of continue to do these things and Alan Greenspan sorry not Alan Greenspan hate to misequate him with Ron Paul who is what I really meant. Ron Paul stated It's no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking. You can't have World War I, World War II... you look at World War One that started in 1914 and 1913 is when the Federal Reserve was founded so this is all a part

09:00 of will be the end of the Federal Reserve by the 100th year. It might not happen that fast, but it's definitely going to happen in the next few years and you can see it uprising all over the place with what has happened with Ron Paul calling for an end to the Fed 10 years ago 20 years ago people wouldn't even know what the Federal Reserve was but they're waking up now thanks to the internet That is totally true, but man this is crazy. You've seen a lot of places you've observed a bunch of governments and economies gain some serious insight and on some particularly frustrating days I've said to the audience let's just get 10% of the people listening to move somewhere and I get a bunch of responses from people hungry for something else but the reality is that I just don't know enough about the world But there are places in the world where disgruntled Americans are moving too right? Can you tell us about some of these places

10:00 Well, absolutely. This is a big movement going on and it's almost like a migration. It's almost like I call it defecting now because that's how it used to be in the Soviet Union. The US is getting this bad now that you should really look to defect before it's too late. That border, that gate or fence on the Mexican border isn't to keep Mexicans out, it's to keep Americans in as you can see with what Homeland Insecurity is doing now buying billions of hollow point bullets buying tanks. So that's the direction it is going so a lot of people are realizing that if they're going to get out, they should get out fairly quickly I realized this about 10 years ago not completely but i definitely was sensing that I should get out and at least see what's going on and I left Canada in 2004 and many people and I mostly live in Mexico now

10:49 I live, I'm actually coming in today from Acapulco Mexico. But I am actually building a expat community in Chile. Chile is an amazing place! The government is nowhere near as oppressive. They've moved much more towards free markets, the government has no debt it has no deficits and the central bank isn't even Keynesian they're Freedmenites which is better It's still not perfect but it'd be perfect if they just closed the Central Bank But the economy is booming down there and so many people are gravitating down there So I actually started a community down there called Galt's Gulch Chile and it's fashioned after Ayn Rand's book, Atlas Shrugged where all the same stuff happened in an atlas shrugged. Where the world or at least the US had become completely oppressive socialist massive taxes massive regulations and no one could get ahead And so many of the producers all went to a place called Galt's Gulch In the book which was written in the 50s that was in Colorado So we can't do that anymore but Chile is sort of the new place that a lot people are going too I highly recommend people look into

11:52 Man, you know I've considered moving to Mexico or Costa Rica but...I've been worried about a few things. Mainly safety, internet connection and cost of living and i know that it's kind of tough because I want to find a place that has reliable internet but isn't so saturated that the cost of living is like what im experiencing in San Diego. I want something similar weather wise to San Diego where maybe make some money on real estate or just relax and do my show Chile has a similar climate to San Diego, if I'm not mistaken. Right? That's right. Well, Chile is a very long country it's like thousands of miles long but in the area around Santiago which is where Galtz Gulch is that's Southern California climate yes and to answer some your concerns you brought up internet connection on coming into Macapoco our connections incredibly clear I mean 100 megabit line here which costs I believe about $60 a month

12:45 What was some of the other costs? Oh, cost of living. It's much cheaper to live here. Talk about medical for one example almost every pharmacy in Mexico has a doctor on staff so if you do want to talk to somebody about something it costs 25 pesos which is about $2 The things that are going on in the US, most people in the US don't realize they're just being completely raped and oppressed and destroyed. The money system is being destroyed all the regulations Obamacare's coming into effect soon which is they're talking about the cheapest plan that a family can get as $20,000 per year it's just unbelievable its fascism, communism all mixed into one. The world is much better outside of the U.S., another one is safety

13:29 You talk about that. The US government and the US media is trying like crazy to make Mexico look dangerous. Chicago, every single day 30 people get shot. When I go up to the U.S from Mexico everyone tells me be really careful because they see all the news about places like Chicago and New York and you even look at Boston what happened there? And I was actually in New York when the Boston false flag event happened Yeah, and I don't know if not many people know this but when they were looking for that 19 year old boy who was super dangerous because he had some cooking equipment apparently and he was throwing them out of cars. They said for one moment they said we can't find him what we think you might have gone to New York and Bloomberg actually stated he said if he's here, we're going to shut down the city so I

14:15 in New York just sweating and all my Mexican friends were like, you got to get out of there. I'm like, I know I'm crazy for even having come here. I don't even know why I did it. It's so much safer down here. It's unbelievably safer. You can do anything you want. There are no real rules. That is another reason the U.S government wants to make Mexico look dangerous because it's so close to the US and such a freer country. So you have a lot of spring breaker kids that come down here You know, talking to people that are like yeah we're from the land of the free and it's like oh. what can you do there? And they're like, well nothing like what we can do here. They start to wake up a little bit and say oh you can actually drink beer outside in Mexico! You can actually go to a club after two in the morning. It's much much freer and so yeah it's all that stuff. It's total propaganda I feel much safer here in Mexico than in the US by far. I actually try not even go to the U.S anymore especially when you go through the TSA then you get through

15:19 police are everywhere watching for you, seeing if you drive a little too fast or a little too slow. They'll stop you for either one and you have to drive the exact arbitrary speed limit that they say or they'll accost you and search your car... You've seen it I'm sure everyone's seen in the US So, yeah it's just insane that people actually think that is actually scary going to places like Costa Rica or Mexico or anywhere really. I actually sat down at a bar in Aruba once I sat beside a woman from New York and told her that I'd been to about 100 countries. She said, wow you must have seen so many scary and dangerous things! And actually sat back in my chair and thought about it for a second. I never had that question asked of me and thought, you know I can't think of one scary or dangerous thing I've ever seen in my travels. Then I said oh wait no there was two times where I feared for my life a little bit. She said yeah where was that? Both times it was in New York.

16:19 Well, it's funny because you know as a stoner sometimes and I grew up in Missouri now. I'm in California where? I don't have as many problems But in Missouri you know if you're smoking a bowl with some friends in a car in a park You're looking around at other cars Your only worried that that other car will be a cop or that person will call cops like you're not really worried about regular people I call it slave on slave action when the actual other people are actually calling the cops on you. It's unbelievable and not many people know this in Mexico, all drugs are legal. You're allowed to have any drug you want even in this area but I've actually gone to cops in the past a few years ago when my more younger wilder days – I'm getting older now – and if you run out of weed or any drug that you want, you can just go to the cops and they'll call someone for you

17:07 OK, well let's talk about the cops in Mexico because you know the conventional Their attitude is that they are corrupt. I mean, of course our police are corrupt too but apparently they'll stop you on the road and ask for money or if they see a PlayStation on the seat...I've heard someone tell me that cops demanded the PlayStation to be let go when they weren't breaking any laws What do you think about it? Is that wrong? Is that perception wrong? Mexico's a huge country and there is places where I've heard recently is really bad. So a lot of the places that are kind of close to the US, those border cities there is a fair amount of that kind of stuff.

17:52 They were going to kidnap me, put me in a cage for just doing little things like walking out of the bar with a drink. Or one time I was walking in Palm Springs just walking down the street and just going into another bar after one and five squad cars all surrounded me with floodlights on me, put me immediately in handcuffs. I said what's going on? They said we got a call that you're drunk I said, was it illegal to be drunk? You know like you know i was just walking on the street. Yeah! I've had some drinks and pretty buzzed but not like falling down drunk and just you know walking along buzzed so now is much scarier there because of course you can't get out that you cant actually prefer corruption if we're going to have cops and I highly advise people not ever have them but if your going to have them I'd much rather they would accept

18:37 $20 or ten dollars just to let you go then end up in a cage as so many of my friends have ended up. I was in Las Vegas and we wrote about this on our blog at dollarvigilante.com A friend of mine spilt a drink and the security escorted him out, and he asked for his money back because he had just entered. And uh... He paid thirty dollars and he accidentally spilled a drink and said that he was sorry and wanted his money back. They called the cops and ended up for almost twenty four hours in what they call torture-like conditions in some sort of dungeon basically one of those typical city jails or whatever they have that's much more scary to me than anything that I've ever seen here in Mexico. Now, of course there is places there are certain times you might have some small problems but it's nothing that a twenty dollars and fifty dollars can't fix which I much prefer

19:27 Yeah, I mean i've been to Tijuana actually my girlfriend had a few too many mimosas one breakfast and she flipped over her handlebars knocked her front teeth out. Ouch! Without insurance we thought hey this is a good time to test that whole theory of going to get dental work done in Mexico We hear people talk about it and I was like I'll go for a cleaning what the hell And we went down there and the most off-putting thing was just how aggressive the cab drivers were about wanting to take some white people anywhere. You know, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, aggressive cab drivers overall I thought it was great when we got to the place it was just as nice as any facility I've ever been too. The dentist didn't speak English but he had a translator right there because they're so accustomed to having Americans come down there. Yeah, I thought it was

20:16 quite different than the perception that people might have about it. Drugs I got offered to take to a strip club. I got offered this, I gotta offer that it's like oh That's terrible you know like It's not really all that bad and of course if you go into touristy areas You'll get that a lot more and of course Tijuana is a lot more like that If you stay a little bit outside of the touristy areas it's not like that at all and your average Mexican is very nice to foreigners. They just want to help, they do want to help you get whatever you want and a funny story about dental work just last week my friend who's a bit of an idiot was at a strip club here in Acapulco and the girl wanted $8 for

21:09 for sitting with him for 30 minutes. And my friend was a, he's a real idiot sometimes when he drinks and he was like no I'm not paying it that's too much and she got really mad this is not normal by the way have never had this happen to me i've been to strip clubs here thousands of times but she got mad and like swung her purse at him actually chipped his front tooth So my friend left and the next day he walks up and goes, man that girl chipped my tooth last night. I go oh let me see it. He says, Oh I already got it fixed. I went to the dentist and they already like put – I didn't even know you could do it that fast. And then he said yeah half of my front tooth was missing and now its fine. I was like wow! That's fast. How much did it cost? He said about $30.

21:51 Jesus. So, I mean let's talk about the police force and the laws in Chile because i have-I do have a long history of shitty interactions with the police In fact my girlfriend just today literally today she woke up with a ticket on her car because the wheels weren't turned enough towards the curb This is the stupid shit I deal with every day like I don't-I'm sick of it And also you know obviously don't want to get hassled over little weed either I mean are those types of problems people would have in Chile? No, it's possible but highly unlikely. Same in Mexico. My American friends are always asking me both in Chile and here in Mexico when they stop their car they say where is the meters? And I'm like there are no meters if there is a space you just park there

22:36 And there's definitely no, if your wheels are turned the wrong way you're going to get in trouble or anything like that. No it's very much... Americans have no idea how oppressive the police is in the US It's one of the worst places on earth I really just don't ever want to go there for that reason I'm constantly being hassled I'm either smoking within 30 feet of a doorway outside and being hassled It's just unbelievable and no, you won't have any problems. As far as marijuana goes... As I told you in Mexico it is actually legal, it's fine We were at a local bar here that I go to quite a bit. One of my friends is from Holland and, of course he likes weed a lot and he said can I smoke in here? And I said yeah, of course it's Mexico! He smoked and actually the manager came up and was super apologetic. He said I'm so sorry would you mind smoking that outside? I asked him why what's going on like this is not normal behavior and he's like I'm really sorry but there's a family at the booth next to you and they don't like

23:38 And I said, okay well if they don't like it that's no problem. We can go outside and do it but he apologized the whole rest of the night so thats the kind of lifestyle you have in these sort of places. It sounds great what can you tell me about getting there? How about getting citizenship or residency at some of these places? I know you have services for them on your website but what does it entail? What could someone expect to pay how long is it take Well, I really recommend that most people try to live something that I've been living for 10 years now which is called a permanent traveler or prior taxpayer lifestyle. So actually try not to be a resident where I live so from Mexico i'm not a resident at all when you enter mexico you get a six-month tourist visa and I travel more than every

24:21 I travel almost every month or every few weeks outside of the country, so I never have a problem with that. If you do want to stay longer they really don't care. You can actually go...I have friends who've stayed here for five or ten years on their six-month visa and when you leave what I recommend is fly up to Tijuana and walk across the border into the US, they don't even have any Mexican people checking your tourist visas or anything at that point. And even if you do want to leave through an airport or something, they'll usually ask for some sort of a fee it's usually not too much Or there's other ways. I actually know many tricks how to get around all that stuff of course So I really wouldn't even worry about that sort of thing Chile is a little bit different They're a little bit stricter on the tourist visas, I believe it is still six months I just I was just in Chile and we have at our place their gulch Gulch We have a number of employees and a few of them or no It's three months in Chile And they

25:16 They just, both of them just took a bus to Mendoza Argentina and the other guy flew because one of them wanted to save a bit of money. And so every three months they take a 45 minute flight or a few hour bus ride to Argentina just renew their tourist visa. So you can do that or in Chile it's very easy and very incredibly easy to get some sort of residency visa You just have to have some sort of income or have some sort of a job, and all that stuff can be very easily faked if you want. It's all very simple and this is the kind of stuff I've done for decades. That's actually what I write about in our newsletter a lot as how to do these kinds of things and how to live free in this unfree world. And I've actually made it so that I don't have to pay taxes anywhere.

26:05 legally all by living this lifestyle by actually I'm a resident of the country that doesn't have any taxes and then i just uh... am a tourist everywhere else i live and i just don't live in canada anymore which is where im from and still have passport off and if i live outside the country they don't actually tax me. That's different for americans unfortunately but they do you have a ninety thousand dollar per year that your allowed up to, that you dont' have to pay taxes on as long as you are supposedly living in another country or have residency in another country and so what you do is you become a resident of the place like Paraguay which really has no income tax. You can get a residency visa there quite cheap, we can help people with that, we actually help people get passports if you want for people who have more money and want to some sort of get outside the US and actually even renounce their US citizenship which I highly recommend. So yeah we have that at something called TVVPassports.com if anyone's interested

27:01 Well, alright. So a lot of this stuff sounds great seems like you live an ideal life You know but you're a man with money then a lot of this seems like it might be outside of the resources and most people You know let's pretend you're in my boat which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy I mean I make I'm bringing in about $2,000 a month I could do much better if we moved away from the beach But you know girlfriend wants to live by that goddamn Beach so what can you do? But, um... How would I get started? I mean, I thought about maybe foreign real estate. How-I mean, I feel trapped you know like what are the steps What would someone who's broke do if you were me and you didn't really have a lot of resources What would be your steps be

27:40 Well, really the first thing I would say to anyone is stop being broke. Find a way to make some money. I know it's incredibly hard in the US and this is one of the things that so many people don't understand is that used to be the land of opportunity and now it's not. To open a lemonade stand in the U.S., John Stossel did a little look into it. It costs about $60,000 to open up a lemonade at child's lemonade stand because of all the regulations, the safety inspections you need insurance. It is insane in most other places that can just open up a lemonade stand or open up a restaurant and open a bar I would go to a place like Cambodia where it's incredibly cheap

28:19 It's unbelievably cheap and it's going to get so much better there. The economy is booming now that it's back to being a very free market, you could actually open up bar in Cambodia and actually we're gonna write about a place in Cambodia that's going to be booming soon because they're gonna open the international airport. You can open a bar there for probably about $200 really all you have to do is rent a space yeah rent a space and just buy some tequila and beers and you have a bar that's all there is to it And, you know these are the kinds of things you can do and you can do that in a place like Mexico as well. There's no real rules or regulations so that's one thing and then another thing is we have the internet and the internet has a lot of opportunities I don't know if you want to answer personally but do you make most of your income over the internet?

29:07 No, I actually make most of my income at a day job. And all my money comes from essentially one resource, but I do sell t-shirts that are conspiracy related. That's a side business that helps pay for the show and stuff and i'm trying to make that transition to self made rather than getting my money from a corporation and trusting them to be there for me. I don't want to do that but thats where im at

29:42 Yeah, it's really interesting because that's what most people in the US have been bred to do. That's what the public indoctrination camps were set up to do was to create factory workers and really obedient slaves who will show up at 9 in the morning leave at 5 not ask too many questions That's what they're being trained to do. But the real way to make money is to be an entrepreneur and of course you may have noticed yet again in all those 12 years of education that they never even talked about how to start up your own business or how to create your own enterprise, so it would even be a private contractor anything like that These are the real ways to make some money and thanks to the Internet there's so many opportunities. Again, this is stuff that we write about all of time at our newsletter Dollar Vigilante almost every week we have ideas for how people can make money in different countries or over the Internet just one example this week I'm going to write

30:36 And this will be a little bit out of your price range, probably a fair amount out of your price range. But for anyone who has a little bit of money or maybe they can get a loan from their parents or somebody in Chile it's growing so fast but they don't have like 7-Elevens are convenience stores is unbelievable in Santiago which is booming if I want some cigarettes I end up walking like 10 blocks and there usually some little side cart thing that's usually closed at night they need like seven 11s or convenience stores there. Of course, that's going to cost more than a few thousand start up but if you can get some capital from – A lot of people ask their parents for it or their parents save up for college education. That's just four more years of wasting your time and then a lot of people go into student loan debt. Get outside with that. Tell your parents

31:22 Don't put me in college. Best education is actually travel and starting your own business both at the same time preferably, so maybe get a loan or actually an investment. I definitely don't think of it as your parents giving you money. I don't actually like charity. I think people should invest in other people I have two children of my own and if they ever want to start their own business, and they're looking for investment. I might invest in their business off course wanna make sure that they've done the research and all that kind of thing but that's the way people should be thinking There's so many opportunities out there, especially once you get outside the US. You can see so many opportunities here in Mexico I'll give you another example and this is something I've written about before on our newsletter. I started a hotel with zero money down what i did was they're really bad at marketing real estate They are very behind the times most real estate companies don't even have a website

32:17 So, I went to the local real estate company and found out what they're offering. And I just listed it on the internet in English which would be obvious you would think for most people but they never even thought of it and all of a sudden bringing clients all the time when I get a commission. What I did was there were a bunch of condos in one building and I started selling them. I'd make commission on sale then renovated with the money from the buyer. So I would say to the buyer, if you renovate this to a certain standard which costs about $15,000 which isn't a lot of money for a lot of Americans that's all rented out for you and I've been doing this another hotels growing it's called Las Torres Jimenez private suites ltgps.com if you want to check it out and my condo company is aka condos calm these are started was your money down never put up

33:10 penny of my own money into it and now I have a real estate company and a hotel. You can do that almost anywhere in Mexico, you can do that almost anywhere in Latin America. These are the kinds of ideas, the kinds of things that you can do. Of course it's not easy nothing ever is easy in business. It took a few years to really get to be making good money but these are the kinds of things we could be doing out there Yeah, man that's crazy. The Cambodia thing is stuck in my head that you could open up a bar for so little I mean and what you did in Mexico was pretty impressive too but I guess My girlfriend and I if we had a couple of months We're pretty sure the apartment we live in now

33:47 apartment we want to rent if we were, we won't... We want to buy something but then we're like we don't want to buy something here. We don't want to buy something in this country you know and just have it be taken away or watch the value drain out of it but we just don't have the knowledge on necessarily where to go but we could put together like ten fifteen thousand dollars in a matter of months and maybe take off for Cambodia and open up a bar Oh, that's $10 or 15 thousand in a place like Cambodia. Or if you want to stay on this side of the world a bit more, Nicaragua it's really growing very cheap I really like it there. It's incredibly nice beautiful There are so many places where ten or fifteen thousand dollars is a large amount of capital that you can definitely start up a business That will do quite well

34:32 Where do you think people would go for the most information or the most knowledge? I mean, are you doing... with the stuff you're doing with Dollar Vigilante, the articles you're writing. Are you writing those kind of things for people who don't have a lot of resources on what they can do? Yeah, I do for everyone all the way from broke to incredibly rich. We've got some billionaires who are subscribers and have ideas for them we have a lot of very broke young people who just have no capital at the moment and so that these are some of the ideas that I'm giving them. I really want to help a lot of people out because I really see a lot of the people grown up in the West they're feeling very depressed

35:11 They really see no future for themselves and there really is no future for them in the U.S., for sure, it's going to get nothing but worse from here all the opportunities most of them are gone There is still opportunities But you need a fair amount of capital to even try to do those things and then after all the regulations And taxes It's really hard to get into almost any business in the US anymore So I'm really saying to people just like the people For the last hundred years all went to the US because it was a little you know home with a free and land of opportunity It used to be it's not anymore And now much of the rest of the world is more like that. You look at the Soviet Union Russia

35:49 You look at China, you look at what Edward Snowden did recently with the NSA. He actually defected to China to get away from political oppression in the US. The whole world has flipped in the last 40 years So, yeah you really have to get outside of the headspace of how things used to be and realize that everything's changing. And you see we run tdvpassports.com, we have hundreds of clients who want out of the US so everyone is fleeing the U.S now and rightly so if they feel smart you should look to get out We also write another newsletter just so you know called TDV Homegrown and that's for people who want to stay in the US. They don't want to leave or they can't leave and we give them tips every month, ideas on how to survive, how to make money still even though it is very hard nowadays to do so and that only costs $40 a year. So we're trying to really help as many people as possible try

36:47 wake up as many people as possible, show them how the world's changing and I've been out here doing it for 10 years so that's a...I've got quite perspective on how to survive and how to prosper outside of the US or even inside the U.S., we have writers who are in the U.S. who have lots of ideas all the time on how you can still survive, how you can still make money in the U.S. and how you can stay safe because is going to become very dangerous next few years in the U.S.. Yeah, that's such a funny thing you say that because it's hard to get past this mental block or I guess this programming that a place like Cambodia or Acapulco is super dangerous when really the danger is probably going to be knocking on your door in a few years wearing a police vest. Yeah totally but I compared the US today...I call it the USSA..I compared it to the Soviet Union during its collapse

37:41 The biggest difference between the Soviet Union during its final years and the US is that in the Soviet Union everyone knew that everything they were seeing was wrong, it was propaganda. There used to be two propaganda sources in the USSR one was called Izvestia and one was called Pravda And one meant the truth and the other meant news. There used to be a saying in the Soviet Union That there's no news in the truth and there's no truths in the news The biggest difference with the US today is people have been so propagandized and brainwashed for all their lives that they actually still believe it's the land of the free, home of the brave. You know in Boston where millions people hide in their houses when there's a little boy with a pressure cooker from his kitchen running around supposedly, land of the brave, home of the free with eight times the average prison population on 90% of people

38:31 prison camps in the US are there for victimless crimes, which means it's not a crime. So people don't see it they've been really amazingly brainwashed but they are slowly waking up and I look at the USA today just like the USSR in the 80s and uh... the only difference is that a lot of americans subjects are slaves as i call them uh... really haven't woken up yet to realize they actually aren't living in a an empire others going to collapse I totally agree with you. Let's talk about the people who aren't ready to move, you said you do some things for them. Talk about how they would get ahead economically? I've heard Bitcoin is pretty popular but everybody says buy gold but gold is over $1000 an ounce like it's gonna take me a couple months to get to an ounce of gold and now I feel like there's not much room for growth there for someone who doesn't have a lot of capital put into something but I know your involved in some bitcoin projects right

39:29 I was. I'm a huge fan of Bitcoin, before i talk about bitcoin just to talk briefly on gold. Sure Yeah golden is more of a way to conserve your wealth it's uh...it's more for safety so i wouldn't look at it as a way to make a lot of money although it will go up for sure Gold will go up, it'll probably hit a trillion dollars an ounce in five or ten years but at that point a big MAC will cost $1 billion. But it's a way to conserve or save your wealth If you don't have any wealth thats probably not the way to make a lot of money Bitcoin is very interesting It's very speculative The reason I like it so much is because its free market money Its created by private enterprise Its not controlled by central banks It can be controlled by central banks It can be controlled by government

40:12 And people used to ask me actually a few years ago, they would say well you're saying the US dollar is going to collapse and all fiat currencies are gonna collapse. Well what will happen? What will people use for money after that? I used to say well probably gold and silver in some sort of derivatives some sort of digital gold and digital silver. And up and I always used to say it and i'm sure the free market private enterprise will come up with solutions as they always do. And so Bitcoin has really vindicated me on that because that's a private free market money that is really catching on now whether you want to invest in it, I don't know what its trading at today but as a way to make a lot of money thats speculative for sure

40:51 But you could. If Bitcoin catches on, it'll definitely go much higher a lot higher but you know it's being under its under attack big time by the US government and the central banks right now in the U.S. and Europe they're really attacking especially us they can't bring Bitcoin down but they can make it very hard for people to use People all over the world have begun to use it especially in places where they have capital controls Like outward capital controls like real solid capital controls like Argentina or Iran people started to use it there and The more that people use that the value will definitely go up So that's definitely something to look at what I would do is look into a Bitcoin related business.

41:30 There's so many if one get into Bitcoin start using it once you start using it You'll start to realize there's so many businesses that need to be created. There needs to be Bitcoin insurance companies There need to be Bitcoin dispute resolution companies the knees thousands Bitcoin payment companies I thought of many of them, actually got involved in something called Bitcoin ATM for a period of time. But the US government really shut it down. They called if you're going to have a bitcoin ATM where you can put money in for bitcoins or take money out of your bitcoin account they say in the U.S., You're actually under four or five different regulatory agencies. Of course that's just how they keep the small guys out of business is called fascism

42:11 And the banks and the central banks don't want people to get involved in this. And, to start up a Bitcoin ATM I was told by a team of lawyers that it would cost a minimum of $25 million just to get an insurance bond as a money transmitter in the US. However you could start up a Bitcoin business in another country and get it going there's so many opportunities I would definitely, if you haven't looked into Bitcoin look into it because this could turn out to be a future money that is used and there's going to massive billion dollar potential opportunities. If this catches on and its going to very interesting...I am an entrepreneur but I'm so busy doing my other businesses that I don't have time to focus. If I did I'd be starting up bitcoin related businesses all the time and I wrote about this in our newsletter recently and I don't like to give out all of our

42:59 secrets or all of the things that our subscribers pay for but I'll give you one idea, poker sites. Online poker was made illegal by the US government a few years ago which is unbelievable that they did that but of course they had Harry Reid in Nevada under the thumb of the casinos who said use your guns to make sure no one can have online poker because it's hurting our business and we want to get into that business but were too slow so give us a year or two to get set up and shut everyone down So for the last few years, Americans couldn't play online poker and it's a very popular thing to do. It's very popular hobby or sport I used to play it all the time. I love poker yeah Start up a Bitcoin Poker site and make it so it's impossible to shut down Put in ways offshore put it make its over torrents

43:51 These are all things that a lot of techie people would understand, but Bitcoin poker site and then any American could play using Bitcoin. So there's tons of opportunities out there right now especially thanks to the internet and so both through the internet and through looking at other countries where there is so much more opportunity. There is a lot of money that people can be making but the more you stay in the US and work your day job and just get your check and then government takes a bunch of money off the check all kinds of other sales taxes and taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, and all those sort of things. You basically have no way to get ahead that way. And so yeah look at these other options for sure

44:30 Man, you know we did do a show on Bitcoin but I was still kind of left feeling like i didn't have a clear path on how exactly to get involved with it. What are some of the trusted exchanges or how would you advise someone to start making safer less risky investment in bitcoins? Well, I don't call it an investment. I call it a speculation because... Fair. A gamble. Yeah. Although I did get into Bitcoin and wrote about at first in our newsletter and on our blog in 2011 that time was trading at $6. It's since went to $250 dollars. It is now around 100 dollars. It could go to 1000 dollars or it could go to zero but I think that it's more like it goes to 1000 or 10000 dollars but it's not going to be easy. Definitely look into it.

45:17 The very first thing to do is just to open a Bitcoin account through, there's so many different places. I use something called blockchain.net to get a wallet start to trade in it offer if you have a little business offer your products in it and start using that as you use it you'll start to see so many opportunities in that world this is a completely new monetary system being created by the free market and if you get in now Not necessarily as an investment, not just investing in Bitcoin. Although that has a lot of potential to make a lot of money but start up a little business create this there's I think it's one probably every week that I can't believe no one thought of yet so but and you can't really think these things until you get involved in it because even though I couldn't think of them but once you start using it you go oh

46:04 this needs this or this need some sort of payment processor because some people are complaining you know, of this problem and just find a problem and fix it. And you can potentially make a lot of money Yeah, man. It sounds it sounds so easy you make it seem like the simplest thing ever but uh You know let's talk a little bit about your forecast for the Western economy obviously It's gloomy But uh you know what kind of time frame do you think we're working with I mean? What do you think people are going to see in the next five to ten years who do decide to stay and in America oh? It's uh And you know if he would ask me that five years ago. I would have said um

46:43 I'm not sure it could turn out okay, but everything that's going on right now with everything the US government is doing with buying hollow point bullets, buying tanks setting up FEMA camps. It's not looking good at all and the economy cannot do well because the U.S. government has so much debt now its actually taking most of the capital out of the economy and basically destroying it and putting into things like wars which are just bombs are constantly going off all over the world thanks to the terrorist acts of the u.s government brocco bomber uh... it's not going to be good i but however i will say this

47:20 There's going to be pockets of opportunity during the collapse. I would stay out of major cities for sure, once it starts to collapse however and once the US government and military homeland insecurity in the police start to lose control there is going to massive opportunities in the U.S., however you have to get through that transition its very much like what happened in the Soviet Union if you were there near the end it got really messy was fairly chaotic for a period of time and then a lot of people just started just taking over stuff. They actually use violence which I don't like at all, they come in with guns and say oh this is my copper mine now but there is going to be...and those people are billionaires now there's more billionaires in Moscow than any other city on earth and it's because that and hopefully doesn't become that bad hopefully you have to remember too that the Soviet people

48:12 had been raised for generations on communism which is very violent and they don't understand that actual free markets and trade is a good thing, it actually is way more lucrative than just stealing and using violence against people. So that was their main reaction but a lot of Americans still have a faint idea that free markets and freedom are really good thing and you could see... And a lot of people are very entrepreneurial there's still So many people in the US are way more entrepreneurial than most other places on earth. And that's why there is opportunities in other places if you're entrepreneurial minded, but what we can see as a collapse happen and millions of entrepreneurs just pop in and fill any need people have

48:53 A lot of people say, oh we have no food because the transportation system stops. And some people have already thought of this they'll have farms they'll start selling them food maybe not for dollars but in exchange for silver coins or whatever for matches who knows it might get to some sort of barter system or Bitcoin hopefully is where it would be at that point and thats why I'm trying to get as many people on bitcoin as possible to make this transition as smooth as possible But yeah there could be a lot of opportunities but its also going to be very crazy in the transition Yeah, you know I talk about the collapse once in a while on this show and you know if someone comes up to me after the collapse with a bar of gold. I'm going to be like get that out of here! I can't do anything with that give me a sandwich. You know? And sometimes I think a barter system rising out of the ashes is gonna be really what people need to get by day-to-day Gold really isn't gonna do it

49:47 Well, there's many ways to look at it. I definitely if you have assets that's one great way to continue to hold your assets for example if you just held let's say you have a hundred thousand dollars If you just have that in the bank account somewhere and US dollar is going to be gone in the next few years It'll just being taken just like in Cyprus already putting the plans into place to do it So, if you have that put it into gold so at least you can save your wealth. But there's going to be so many opportunities back in the Weimar Republic and Germany in the 1920s they went through a hyperinflation where the currency collapsed And there's, you know, wives tales or maybe urban myths or maybe it's true that you could go around and buy like hotels. Like nice hotels for one or two gold coins. This is totally possible because as people start to lose their ability to transact they become very desperate and during a collapse you have a hotel obviously there's not going be any guests because no one has any money

50:41 So if you have some assets, you could walk up at that point and say hey I'll give you a gold coin worth today about $1300 for your hotel and you might get it. These are the kind of opportunities that happen during these massive collapses. It's really sad because a lot of people are going to get hurt especially in the US this is going to be one of the worst collapses ever in my opinion. This is going to be the biggest event in human history when the U.S dollar collapses However, there's going to be tons of opportunities. Millionaires and billionaires in real money not dollars are going to be created during and after this collapse but you have to stay on top of it and you have to be aware what's going on and that's a really big part of it most people are gonna be caught totally blindsided by this those who were at least aware that is going to happen will have a huge advantage

51:28 Is there a catalyst, a specific catalyst that we should be looking for? Because I mean...I know that it's coming but it could be a year. It could be eight years It's, I would say it is better to plan two years too early than one day too late. That's true And we're getting so close now it's not even worth trying to walk the fine line. It's like being in Germany in 1942 as a Jewish person and saying maybe we have a couple of years left No just leave you know its not good environment to be at the moment Just get out there

52:05 Really, it's too close. What is going to be the catalyst? No one knows. These collapses happen always very – you look at the 2007 collapse 2008 that sort of came out of the blue but of course I was predicting it. The economy and financial system are so massive, the economy in particular that you never can't look all the variables like some possible there are billions of actors in the economy. You never know what is going to happen. the thing that happened in the Middle East a few years ago, the Arab Spring. That all started because of a Tunisian guy in a market who was selling some sort of fruit or something and the government was constantly taking away most of almost all his profits so he really couldn't live and He got to the point where he said that's it I can't take this anymore, and he lit himself on fire That started revolutions all across the Middle East. So you never know where these things are gonna happen No one could have predicted it would be a Tunisian Market guy little fruit seller in a market who would start all that

53:03 But I really think if you look at the economics, if you're really up to date on what's going on. If you pay attention this system is very close now. You look at what's happening in Japan and I think Japan is probably gonna be the first of the western style countries that have a central bank and have done Keynesian central planning and have a democracy all things very similar to the US They are having so much debt And their economy is just dying for a number of reasons right now, that the central bank has said they're going to double the yen money supply in the next two years. Which is completely insane! That's basically saying they're going to devalue the value of the yen by 50% in 2 years and I think that's a good thing They have so much debt their population is aging...I think it will come to head very quickly

53:54 That, of course will send off a lot of shock waves. You look at what's going on in Europe it is a massive mess. France now has 100% top tax rate. They've gone full commie and these governments are running... Socialism always runs its course and all these governments are various levels of socialist including the US They're all running out of other people's money now. It's going to be a huge, giant mess. You don't know where it's going to start but it is definitely going to happen and that's better to prepare now. We really could be talking a year from now and it could be complete chaos in the US, complete riots everywhere. Just unbelievable chaos collapse. The economy could go to zero almost overnight. Could become a complete 100% police state like Boston did a few weeks ago. This can all happen very quickly so... And you can tell by the actions of the government that they're preparing very quickly for it

54:54 So, they seem to know that something is going to break fairly soon and so think oh I'll just We'll see what happens over the next few years. I think that's really being dangerous, it's really being risky. You live in San Diego is that correct? Correct So you're pretty good you could actually hop in a kayak and go to Tijuana if you have to. Yeah good idea! When I was stuck in New York during that Boston thing I was starting to wonder how I was going to get out I had plans to go to San Diego a few days later and kept thinking, oh! I wish I was in San Diego right now. At least I could swim to Mexico you know just get out somehow so but many people live in places like New York or Chicago and it's going to be very hard to get out if things get really crazy

55:43 These are the kinds of things we have to think about. This is going to happen, there's absolutely no doubt it's going to happen. There's no way... I've done all the numbers now for years and I've published them all in my newsletter on my blog and I speak at conferences but I never had anyone show me any way that this won't happen Man, let's close this out on something a little more positive. A little more on the solution side. I mean, I know you've got a lot of them and those are fascinating to me the ones you brought up but something anyone can do... Let's say an American has just got their next paycheck and they're going to take off. They're going get that check for whatever it is $1000 or $2000 dollars and they're like, I'm done here! I'm gonna have to go somewhere with so little where would you advise people set-up shop?

56:29 Yeah, it's really hard on one or two thousand dollars. However I would say this... What do you think the minimum is someone needs? Five thousand? It really depends on what you're willing to put up with. If you're willing to live in hostels and willing to take buses, yeah five or ten thousand is probably doable just take a bus down to Mexico or to Nicaragua wherever but one thing to keep in mind is that the people who came to Ellis Island about 100 years ago in New York the average person showed up with no shoes The total amount of money they had their pocket in today's dollars was ninety dollars That was the average

57:06 And so those people really took a lot of risks. They didn't even know where they were really going, there was no internet there they'd just been told this is place that has some opportunity and some freedom and the government isn't incredibly oppressive like where they live and they just said let's do it let's get on a boat and just go So those people back then had a lot more balls, a lot more cajones It seems like nowadays people are very scared Oh what's my who Who will make sure that I'm safe? It's a little sad in a way, but we have so many things today. We have the internet. So let's say you have $5,000 and you go to Mexico and it doesn't work out and now you're out of money

57:46 Well, go to the internet cafe. Be really nice to them and say I have no money can I just get on send an email to one of my friends or family? And just ask them to buy me a bus ticket back home then I'll work it out from back there you know like we have so many much easier ways to do these things so much more opportunity in ease doing this thing. You know back when people went to Ellis Island they're taking the boat for weeks sometimes months and then they'd get to the US and take Years to travel across the US to California if that's where they wanted to go, or the gold rush wherever they want to go. People are thinking way too safe and I think there you've been coddled into this thing that There is safety and actually there is no...there's not going to be any government safety in the next few years And it's going to be very dangerous In my opinion in the U.S

58:35 And so I would be more open to taking a few risks now than later because it's going to be a lot easier Now that once they really start shutting down the borders and really start to put in implement the police there Yeah, I agree. It's tough to know exactly how much is enough But I do think that a lot of times its fear rather than finances you know The economic situation that you're in might be a good excuse to stay stagnant or It's a good convenient excuse to not do anything but even with little resources I guess there are options like Cambodia. We've started up something called TDV Groups and you can get access to it through our Dollar Vigilante basic newsletter which costs about $150 a year, you can pay quarterly so like $30 or something like that a quarter. With that we actually have people all around the world who are very like-minded like myself

59:26 and who have expatriated from the west. And they now live, we have people in Lagos Nigeria, we have people in Cambodia, we have 30 different countries right now and people actually will join these groups and you can do it through various different ways through our system and uh...you can just ask them questions say hey what's going on in Argentina right now? We had one of our subscribers he just got on a group about Argentina A guy in Argentina Actually was from France originally he had a hotel there and he said you know I'm looking for someone to manage my hotel who can speak decent English because we have a fair amount of English People so he got a job down there very quickly. This has happened dozens of times now So you can just join dollar vigilante calm basic newsletters the cheapest one and You can get access to these groups And almost everyone that I know is looking for decent people in these countries because they have a very hard time finding

1:00:18 English-speaking people who understand how to do business. This is what I was explaining before, in a lot of these countries even Mexico, Mexico not so much but Nicaragua Argentina they don't really know how to do business and this is so many the expats have gone there looking for help particularly younger people who are willing to work for quite cheap at should start with and then we'll work their way up as they grow with the business There's tons opportunities you just have to get out there and start doing them Amen man, I mean are there any services online that specifically help people with the logistics of finding those international opportunities? Is that what the newsletters you put out do? Yeah. That's all included in our newsletter we're constantly putting out ideas We connect you with people around the world who have expatriated started their own businesses They're very open it's incredibly open they're very happy to hear from a young guy in the US who knows what's going on in the U.S., Who wants to get out and

1:01:15 Very often they can find them opportunities or at least give them some idea of how they could go to a place anywhere any country on earth really and And and survive and prosper. And yeah, we do all those kind of things Wow. Well, man I really appreciate your time that about does it for us Jeff! I mean i hope a lot of listeners are pirating Rosetta Stone as we speak hopefully after the crash course in Spanish we can get the hell out of Dodge before it's too late you know? I mean appreciate your time all the info you've shared with the people and is there anything else you want to share with them any other advice or maybe tell them about your website a little more or anything

1:01:52 Sure, one great thing you just brought up. So a lot of people are wondering what can I be doing now even if they're not going to do something over the next few months? Yeah start learning another language that's a huge thing Spanish is a definite number one in my opinion because there are so many countries in the Latin American world and so many opportunities, and so many good ones including Chile. So yeah definitely start learning a language, start improving yourself, start learning skills whatever it is to learn how to become a mechanic or something that you can do almost anywhere you go at least survive until you can get your feet on the ground So just go to DollarVigilante.com, we have a free blog there. Sign up for the basic newsletter if you want access to the groups and all these business ideas that we have and expatriation ideas. And if you want to get out or have a little bit of money or your family has money, go to GoldSkullsChile.com We're building an expat community in Chile. We're going to need a lot people down there to help us once it gets off the ground so there's going to be tons of opportunity and those are some ways that you can find out about those opportunities

1:02:51 Amen, man. You know if you need any good marijuana farmers in Chile I mean i've got a bit of a green thumb you know no pun intended but yeah man that's awesome! I really appreciate it and hope people feel like a little bit of relief like there are some options out there if you internationalize yourself rather than stay in a single country that kind of looks like a sinking ship right now Yeah, definitely. There's lots of opportunity I think Americans are some of the last people to see it right now you talk to look at Chinese people they everywhere You go? You can be in the backwoods of Brazil and there'll be a little Chinese restaurant The guy doesn't even speak Portuguese he yeah, you know these they're very entrepreneurial They get out there and do it Americans seem to be some of the least Open to that because they've been told by their government that the world scary for so long That it really stops them And that's that's the plan of the government the media is to keep you there

1:03:43 Sure that all right Jeff. Well, I appreciate it again Thank you and hopefully we can talk again in the future good luck yeah my pleasure has been fun Thanks great alright man have a go one peace there You have it boys and girls another THC bites the dust Please pass the info along review the show on iTunes add me to your favorites all the good stuff Facebook Twitter yada yada yada If this chat didn't have an effect on you, then check out my conspiracy themed t-shirts at conspiratees.net I try to put out cool designs on really good quality shirts No flea market shit Nice stuff It helps me pay the bills Keep the show going smoothly All that stuff If this chat did have an effect on you Save the 20 bucks for the first bottle of Jack And i'll see your ass in Cambodia Thanks for listening Peace

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