THC 50: John Scura | The Rockefellers, The Rothschilds, & The Big Conspiracy

01:44 Here we go, Hireside Chatters. Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke from San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood celebrating 50 glorious episodes of the Hireside Chats It has been a wild ride Thanks everyone for all your help in making this show what it is today I can't believe there's been so many great guests on THC just in the first 50 episodes I mean...I've spoken with comedians Ari Shafir and Joey Diaz Vice Presidential Candidate Judge Jim Gray To people like Philip Kopens, Jacque Fresco and Nick Redfern we've covered so many topics including UFOs time travel ancient technologies secret government projects and resource-based economies but I thought we could take the time with episode 50 to do a little of the groundwork. We may have glossed over at times that conspiracy 101 if you will

02:29 And I could think of none better than John Skrura, author of the all-encompassing textbook to The Global Elite, Battle Hymn, to guide us through that hour. John Skrura is a journalist, author and Emmy nominated TV producer who's produced shows for Merv Griffin, Joan Rivers and Arsenio Hall just to name a few Before he partnered up with longtime friend Dane Phillips to comprise what I would respectfully call a conspiracy textbook called Battle Hymn. Coming in at just over 400 pages, it's the best resource I've come across for learning of who these elite families are how they manipulate world events and what their plans are A phenomenal expose on The Puppet Masters and a perfect topic for such an important milestone as the 50th episode John welcome to the show

03:09 Hi Greg, thank you for having me. Absolutely! The book is great it's a phenomenal book not a single useless sentence jam-packed with information but I am curious to hear what got you out of producing TV shows for people like Merv Griffin and Arsenio Hall and into such isolating subject matter as the global elite? I spent 20 years doing TV and when I was getting out of college, I didn't choose to produce the TV shows or talk shows. It was a comfortable living. Before I got into television, I was in print as a journalist so after TV, I went back to it and this was kind of the logical outcome.

03:56 Right on. Well, I mean, I mentioned to you in our emails and earlier we brought up that we haven't really done a broad overview of the Puppet Master families their political groups secret societies and think tanks. A lot of the crossover gets hazy for me. I think the one thing that I love about Battle Hymn is that you say it wasn't written for the believer, but is written to be a wake-up call for those who haven't explored this type of material and thats what Id like to do with this show in a sense provide a nice informational chunk of audio that someone can share with friends or family who might not take this situation seriously

04:35 Let's take the trip, let's start out with probably the most infamous family of all, the Rockefellers. What did you find out about them? Yeah sure! The Rockefellers I started out the book with them because they are so active and have been for generations and uh... creating that a sort of one world government uh... that's what they've been after um... you know it all starts with john d rockefeller uh... everybody i think is familiar with him in eighteen sixty three he had to build for his first refinery and uh... seven years later he incorporated the standard oil of ohio he hated competition uh... and said love monopoly so he formed a

05:19 first monopoly in this business through the national city bank of cleveland which was owned by the rothschild according to a congressional hearing uh... the rochelle we will have to hear about more later because obviously it's a foreign family banking family that has been for decades trying to insinuate itself into at the american fabric By 1880, John Dee owned or controlled 95% of the oil produced in the United States. That's mind-boggling right there because it was basically 17 years. He maintained this monopoly despite attempts by Congress and the Ohio Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court to break up Standard Oil

06:01 He eventually passed the law and control to his son, John D. Rockefeller Jr., in 1922, and it was Junior who got the corporation involved in philanthropic organizations basically to ease the public's impression of the firm. The Rockefeller Foundation, for instance chaired by John Rockefeller III donated huge sums to various charities and causes particularly the Population Council and other entities promoting eugenics which was a Rockefeller family interest for the previous three generations.

06:38 Rockefeller's famous descendants, among the most famous of course was Nelson Rockefeller because he almost became our president. He began government work in Latin America affairs which was an intelligence position during the FDR administration. in potential embarrassment and David Ben-Gurion took advantage of this, essentially the Israeli faction blackmailed Nelson Rockefeller into using his tremendous influence with the Latin nations to line up their votes in favor of creating the Israeli state by the UN resolution.

07:26 This was revealed by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in their book called The Secret War Against the Jews. And they had eyewitnesses and CIA documentation to back this up. So anyway, back to Nelson – he served four terms as a New York governor but failed three times to be nominated for the presidency. He made vice president in 1974 when Gerald Ford replaced Nixon. In 1979, of course Nelson died of an apparent heart attack while he was having sex with a female staffer named Megan Marshack who in his will received $50,000 on the deed to New York townhouse.

08:05 The most influential of the Rockefellers is David who just won't go away. He's well into his 90s now and still exercising an incredible amount of influence on policy and our government right up to the top levels David attended the London School of Economics which was funded by the Rockefeller Foundation and was heavily influenced there by Harold Lasky, Britain's socialist party. David worked for the OSF in North Africa during the war and this explains his intelligence ties today and they are strong believe me.

08:45 uh... he became a board chairman and ceo chase manhattan corporation that he joined the uh... council on foreign relations which we call it here for now uh... as early as nineteen forty one and thirty years later he formed the trilateral commission with generous donations from the rockefeller brothers fund uh... which had to be refocused one world strategy that something that they wrote in their own report David wrote in his memoir, ìSome even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interest of the United States characterizing my family and me as internationalists and conspiring with

09:26 with others around the world to bring more integrated global political and economic structure, one world if you will. And then he closes by saying if that's the charge I stand guilty and I am proud of it. Yeah, that is a very telling quote. It's one of the best out there but your book is full of great quotes which I think makes it awesome for someone who's a bit of a skeptic who might be reading through and they can see these people themselves making the case that they're part of this conspiracy I did want to revisit, if we could, Nelson Rockefeller's dealings with Nazis in South America because it is a story of essentially how Israel became a country which is a huge source of conflict and problems even today.

10:13 There were a tremendous number of Nazis who escaped to South America and Nelson was dealing with them, actually during the war as well as immediately afterwards. This is obviously an embarrassment and Ben-Gurion and the Israeli faction used this against Nelson to basically blackmail him. And as I said, this is supported by eyewitnesses who were there and CIA documents that have been released.

10:54 Yeah, it's so crazy because they basically said this is what we want. We want a nation state right here on this sacred area in the Middle East and they got it! Now I've always thought it was a bit weird why America is in such lockstep with that whole thing you point out in the book that it's just because that information could still come out today Well yeah, I don't think it's as powerful as a sort of Damocles over our heads as it was back then. Because you know, a lot of Americans already know that Operation Paperclip took place and there was more to it than just taking rocket scientists

11:31 They were taking Nazi doctors who committed the most outrageous and heinous acts in their experiments. They took everybody they could find, people who were developing sarin gas and other nerve agents Right. Well, anyway that's kind of known now but back then you know it was explosive and basically they just They just confronted Rockefeller with this stuff and said hey, you know play ball with us We want the South American nations voting for an Israeli state or else we're going to release this yeah It's so crazy that

12:10 Nelson had the power to just be like, all right you know get off my back with this stuff and it's such a huge thing to be able to deliver votes for that but let's get into of course the other historic family. The Rothschilds how did they get so powerful? It all starts with Meyer Amschel Bauer who was born in Frankfurt way back in 1744. He apprenticed at a banking house and finally somehow became court financier to William IX of Hesse-Kassel. William IX was a mason, and to ingratiate himself with his employer, Meyer became a

12:49 This set the family pattern of doing business with reigning houses of Europe. The family fortune began when William of Hesse received a lot of money from England during the American Revolution to supply his Hessian troops. He gave this money that he received from England to Meyer to be invested, but Meyer instead gave it to his son Nathan who established himself as head of the family business in London He eventually repaid William, but only after Nathan had been set up. Now, according to Nathan Rothschild he increased the 20 thousand pounds that his dad gave him to 50 million pounds in just a few years. By 1815 Nathan was principal financier of the British government and Bank of England Later the Rothschilds took control of the bank of England You're probably familiar with the Waterloo story you read in the book Would you want me go into that? Sure

13:47 What happened was Nathan had agents. First of all, he gave money to both Napoleon and the British Army He had agents there on the front with both people. When Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo, Nathan had the information a day before everybody else and he play-acted like he was disappointed and all of the investors sold. Nathan bought things at pennies on the dollar, so when the truth came out that other investors were snooker than Nathan had basically a controlling interest in the Bank of England.

14:32 Lewis is low. It's kind of crazy, but I think a big problem skeptics have with these families is that John D Rockefeller was building his oil empire in like 1860 and Mayor Rothschild rose to wealth and power in the 1800s as well it seems hard to believe that almost 200 years later, we're still stuck under the control of just a few families. But how have they progressed through the years? How have they maintained this power?" Well yeah it's you know I mean they've been... This is part of a plan and it's generational. The Rothschild go back to the 18th century and you know they had that have... They had a very clear agenda which is keep

15:26 getting more and more power and more and more control over the royal houses and other governments of the world. They have succeeded tremendously. Around 1804, Mayer changed his family name from Bauer to Rothschild. which means red shield. It was taken from the emblem on the homes of his ancestors. This was due probably because of the reigning anti-Semitism in Europe at that time. Meyers' other sons, aside from Nathan established themselves in banking sectors of Paris, Vienna and Naples and the family's power riches grew until they could receive titles of nobility from the indebted royal families. You have to understand something. The whole point of a bank is to create debt

16:11 and the most powerful institutions in the entire world indebted to you. So, you get called a toon many times. Now, the Rothschilds have always seen America as a plum that they wanted. They financed the Carnegies, the Vanderbilt's, the Harriman's and their railroad and steel businesses in addition to the Morgans. They were really tied close to the Morgan by the way The Morgans were almost like employees, as powerful as J.P. Morgan was.

16:47 It was almost a Rothschild employee. So in 1837, the Rothschild sent August Schoenberg to the United States as their agent. Schoenberg changed his name to August Belmont and started buying US government bonds with no apparent sources capital. Belmont made generous contributions to the Democratic Party which led to his appointment as U.S. representative to The Hague between 1853 and 1857 He married Commodore Perry's daughter, Matthew Perry's daughter which cemented his social standing and he became president of the Jockey Club as a reward for bringing thoroughbred racing to America. Belmont Park in New York still bears his name but in any case, he was definitely a Rothschild agent making moves for them here in the United States.

17:35 Man, do you think there's a certain amount of luck involved with acquiring this much power and influence? No. I think it was a plan set down in the very beginning if you read the epilogue of the book You'll see there are 25 instructions on how to gain and cement power over governments Right. I mean, but they've kind of gotten lucky in that they've never really gotten exposed or completely taken out? Considering the group is so small if someone really found this information out early enough you'd feel like a handful of bullets could put a stop to most of it Well one of the instructions in the 25 that I mentioned was to control the press

18:18 The press, as I mentioned in the book is controlled in Western world by just six corporations. Here in America it's just five – the sixth corporation is a German corporation that controls most of and in fact nearly all of the major publishing houses here in the United States and overseas but all of the mainstream media is controlled by five corporations here in Right. I think people are definitely wise to that, at least they should be by now—that whole section of what we're talking about is completely off the table! The biggest problem we have…I mean, I've got friends who are economic majors and they don't study this. It's just out of the schools as well. Let's talk a little bit about how they have manipulated education in this country?

19:05 Oh, education? Well yeah. I mean first of all you've got they're doing it through the federal government. You have to understand that these people have tremendous amount of control over the policies of this government through organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. Literally hundreds of these members are in the upper administration as appointees in every single administration going back to the 1920s So anyway, the purpose of education today is not to educate but to indoctrinate children into collectivism doing away with national sovereignty. That's the goal and they're teaching dependence upon a state and not the family and they seek to destroy belief in God. You can see this over and over again taking

19:55 Basically, you're taking all reference to God and religion out of the curriculum here. The National Education Association, the NEA creates most of America's educational programs today. This NEA was created by John D. Rockefeller who once said quote I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation uh... so and the real purpose of the gold two thousand educate america act which was passed during the clinton presidency in nineteen ninety four if simply to legalize federal jurisdiction over curriculum So we have, you know... the continuing pattern of centralization. And I think most people have noticed that right now. You know, administration after administration including this one keeps moving toward centralizing while stepping all over the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and states' rights.

20:52 Let's switch gears a little bit to talk about something I mean if you look into the most basic of conspiracy information You're gonna come across Bohemian Grove with the iconic image of the giant owl statue But can you tell us a bit about? The Bohemian Grove Club it started in what 1872 Douglas Goldstein, CFP®, is the director of Profile Investment Services and the host

21:30 They have a ceremony that includes the owl and everything else. Every year, it happens annually in July up in Northern California And the one thing that is somewhat disturbing is that these hugely powerful men are all together and, you know, are making policy without dealing with Congress or voters or anything like that. Well yeah I mean yeah, you said-I guess all of the last 15 presidents have been members? Like that's obviously a powerful group Oh definitely, yeah. Believe me it's the power brokers of the world you know people like Kissinger are lifelong members almost but when you stand back from it I mean what's really the difference between that and a bunch of really rich guys getting together on a golf course and working things out for themselves? That's true

22:24 You know, I just couldn't find it that evil. It's a bit bizarre there is a lot of homosexuality involved in the shenanigans that go on there Well, then let's get a little bit weirder and talk about the Illuminati and Freemasons. I mean in the section about the secret Masonic agenda you mentioned that the Masons at the highest level are rumored to know chunks of hidden knowledge coming from ancient Egypt or Pythagoras... Can you elaborate on do have any idea what some of that knowledge might be? Well no, tell me the truth, I didn't delve into the ancient secrets! I try to keep this very sort of down-to-earth

23:02 I avoided religious stuff of any kind. The organization may go back to ancient times, but I just traced it to Adam Weishaupt who started the Bavarian Illuminati on May 1st in 1776 and note the date – May 1 is May Day which has become a very important day in the communist and socialist realm. Anyway, Weishaupt formed this with help from good old William of Hesse, Rothschild's benefactor. And in 1773 records of a speech that Meyer Rothschild made to 12 wealthy Europeans in Frankfurt show his plan to gain control over most of the world's riches and resources thereby controlling most of the world population. This is the 25 instructions I was talking about which are at the back of the book.

23:58 Rothschild basically is using these to foment a revolution in France because of the potential riches he could gain from such a chaotic event, and that proved to be the case. So Weisshaupt put the plan into motion in 1784 with his own document which was sort of a copy of the 25 Instructions but oddly enough Bavarian authorities got hold of it. He had given it to a messenger and, talk about fate! The messenger was struck by lightning and killed on horseback and somebody found these documents gave them to the Bavarian authorities so they cracked down on the Illuminati there in Bavaria basically chased them all out if they didn't imprison him Most of them infiltrated the Masonic lodges

24:50 And in a few years, they aluminized the Freemasons there. They were actively creating food shortages that would lead to the masses to revolt in France. The Duke of Orleans who was Grand Master of French Masonry… purchased all the grain in the French harvest of 1789 and either sold it or brought or hid it. And this led to starvation coupled with a near bankruptcy of France following its expenditures, and aiding the American Revolution led to the upheaval in Paris that we know as the French Revolution

25:25 Now oddly enough, not surprisingly the radical Jacobins were mainly Freemasons and so was the majority of the Estates General after they deposed a king. Now in the wars that would follow for literally a quarter of century, international bankers and especially the Rothschilds enriched themselves through interest-laden loans to the governments at war. And by the time Napoleon fell as I said, the Rothschilds had become masters of European finance and thereby masters of Europe itself.

26:02 I think it was Rothschild who said, give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws. Exactly! It seems like such a simple plan...it's kind of ridiculous that Everyone just stood by he must look at the Rothschilds must look at us as the Dumbest planet ever like to just be able to seize control like that. Well, yeah Yeah, they in the 25 instructions They actually use a word that translates to livestock cattle You know when referring to the general population? Yeah So yeah, they hold they uphold the they hold us all in low regard believe me and

26:41 So it seems like because of the infiltration of the masons by the Illuminati, cause I think there's a lot of confusion about these two groups. Would you say in modern times they're somewhat same group when you get to the top levels? Well, yeah as I said the Freemasons in France at the top levels became Illuminati. The Illuminati got moved in there but a lot of people still think today that Freemasonry is simply a collection of guys dedicated to strengthening the brotherhood of mankind This is blatantly disproved by history including recent history You know the Masonic Lodge of Italy called P2

27:20 It's the Italian word propaganda masonica due became a state within the state under the leadership of Licio Gali according to an Italian court indictment. The organization boasted members among Italy's cabinet ministers, parliamentarians army generals admirals industrial bankers journalists diplomats and police chiefs this was all revealed in 1981 probe Now the basic plan was to create an atmosphere of terror in which the Italian people would favor more authoritarian governments. You'll recall after the war there was a danger of Italy going communist, the Marxist party who were very powerful there and a lot its members were in the Italian resistance against the Nazi occupation

28:09 So terrorist acts were committed and blamed upon these leftist organizations. These are false flag attacks, the plan was a spin off of an earlier American operation created by the CIA's James Jesus Angleton shortly after World War II it was called Operation Gladio this called for an alliance between the mafia and Vatican in stanching the communist threat in Italy False flag bombings made and planted by NATO personnel, blamed on the communists to kill civilians throughout Europe. These astonishing charges were proved in Italian courts by documents and later corroborated by former Italian President Francesco Corsica who admitted to founding the Italian Gladio operation.

28:52 Over the centuries, charges of Satanism have been leveled at higher degrees in Freemasonry. Modern authors like Ralph Epperson believe that Lucifer is the secret god of the Masons and his basic plan is the utter destruction of Christianity Yeah, there's been rumors of that and I was really glad to see that in your book. It's something people have been talking about but there is a lot of suggestion that Catholicism itself is a front for satanic worship right down to the mass where human sacrifices are worshipped being Jesus on a cross and then his blood and flesh is feasted upon by the congregation

29:28 Is that not a similar type front in a way? Well, yeah. I mean there are elements at the very top of the Vatican who are you know not very saintly but put it that way But yeah, and of course charges have been leveled up to Jesuits for centuries They were actually excommunicated at one point by the church itself And our new Pope is a former Jesuit Right! Of course its not in the books its so recent Considering there's always an alternative story, though this seems to be. You've done a lot of research into that kind of thing. Do you have any thoughts about the Pope's resignation and the election of this new pope? It seems to be pretty, a pretty different situation for the Catholics to be in. Well yeah I'm not...I can't buy the story that Benedict resigned due to health because many many many popes had bad health and just stayed until the end so there may have been something some there have been whispers like maybe it was due

30:29 His lack of action in these scandals with molested children and stuff like that. There's also been whispers about, again the Masons getting involved – you'll remember there was a huge scandal in which the Masons were involved in the Vatican Bank. But these are just rumors right now, and I haven't seen anything that definitively says this is why he resigned. Yeah, it makes you think though considering all the alternative stories and all the hidden power battles. There's got to be something else there but bring us up to date and talk about some things that are affecting people in the present what are some of the ways these puppet masters are affecting individuals today?

31:19 Well, first of all they populate every administration. So they're making policy even though these are – almost all of them are unelected. It's gotten away from a government of the people by the people and for the people. It's now a government basically ruling almost by decree. I'll give you an example, the CFR if you look through history they started in the early 20s and they produced this stunning list of presidents and presidential candidates usually these CFR members are running against each other

31:58 For instance, Eisenhower and Adlai Stevenson were both CFR members as were JFK and Nixon. Hubert Humphrey in Nixon, George McGovern in Nixon, Ford and Carter, Bush Sr., Michael Dukakis, Clinton and Bush in 1992, and Clinton and Dole in 1996. And since 1952, only one presidential election featured non-CFR members from both parties. That was the Johnson Goldwater ticket election and when Johnson won he turned around and appointed 387 CFR members into his administration.

32:36 So the CFR and the trilaterals, they populate the policymaking arm of our government. the first time I was holding out hope that he was the internet candidate who rose up against Hillary Clinton, who I thought was the establishment candidate. And I was pretty interested in things he was saying but as soon as he chose his cabinet and that was a little bit sketchy too because he held off for a long time until they made those announcements and a lot of people were expecting real pioneers in economics and science to really get good places in the administration. Of course it was all CFR and

33:17 That's where I knew it was just going to be another, you know same course that we've been on. Yeah yeah in the book i list all of the people in his upper cabinet positions who are either CFR Trilateral or Bilderberg and often all three and you know I mean yeah he made a lot of promises about You know I'm not going to let Wall Street run this government And I am not going let uh... you know lobbyists run and then he turned around a point nothing appointed nothing but wall street and lobbyist people right who were to be there that was his first unit first term reagan's first first-term administration featured three hundred thirteen cf our members clinton administration numbered nearly one hundred cfr members obama is not the f are put the top level as i said this is administration filled with cfr numbers

34:08 There are people who blew the whistle on the CFR because they claim to be just basically a think tank. But, a former member Admiral Chester Ward said that the single objective of the CFR is to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and national independence in the United States. That's the single goal They're aiming for something like the European Union. They want a North American union, they sugarcoat it and make it all sound so wonderful and modern but really what you're doing there once you lose sovereignty of the United States is say goodbye to the Constitution in the Bill of Rights because it's no longer the United States

34:53 and they will rule by decree. Obviously, they got positions of power one of their biggest tools against us is the central banks we've covered that before on this show but how are they getting closer to this North American Union because I've heard it talked about in then in the 90's and early 2000's and kind of went away haven't heard as much about it recent years but there still progressing on this track right? Oh yeah, they've taken so many steps to form this North American Union. It's frightening really what has already been put in place to make this happen

35:34 A great guy to read on this is Daniel Estulin. He's been following the Bilderbergs for a long time and he's Canadian, and he revealed that Canada very nearly in the 90s became part of the United States. In 1996, at a Bilderberg meeting in Toronto they discussed the imminent breakup of Canada According to him, the Quebec independence vote took place in 1997 and the plan was that would set the stage for a Canadian Angeles into the United States by 2000. But the media firestorm prevented it and Henry Kissinger who was pushing for this actually browbeat the Canadian Prime Minister at that time Jean Chrétien

36:23 He said that he would be damned if someone was going to screw this up for him. This was reported by a witness who was in the Bilderberg meeting when Kissinger said that. Eskulin has found evidence that there's a three-step plan to break up Canada and include independence of French speaking Quebec, So whatever is not Quebec would be joined to the US, like a 51st state. Ontario would be the 52nd state according to Eschelin and Canadian Prairies would be 53rd in British Columbia and Northern Territories would be 54th state. The North American Free Trade Association which was signed in 1987 was the initial step

37:10 Along this path, the original text of this has never been seen by the public. It laid groundwork for eventual combination of Canada and Mexico and the US into the North American Union. It went into effect January 1st, 1994 the same day Congress approved the US membership in the World Trade Organization. Since then more than a dozen agreements have unified trade travel security and other vital elements in creating union and ending national sovereignty. The Security & Prosperity Partnership of North America

37:49 known as the SPP, was signed in 2005. It contains more than 300 initiatives to harmonize policies on everything from food to transportation There was no debate in Congress on the SPP. Instead, corporate leaders and unelected cabinet members from each country received permanent positions on the SPP directorship. Ron Paul called this a quasi-government organization – not a treaty. This SPP was an agreement, not a treaty so there was no need for Congress to ratify the SPP with the necessary two thirds majority.

38:25 Instead, a handful of elites bypassed the legislature and ignored the Constitution which grants Congress the sole authority to regulate international trade. Since NAFTA is headquartered in Mexico its activities are independent of Congress so you see it's still going. Right obviously these people have positions of power they have one world agenda they're dumbing us down with education Let's talk about a couple of the other things. I mean, particularly fluoride...I know a lot of people aren't convinced about the dangers of fluoride it seems too big and too hard to get away with but what'd you find when you really looked into that? Well first of all fluoride is byproduct of the manufacture of aluminum okay and it is the active ingredient in rat poison

39:14 Okay, so yeah you know well I you know. I've talked to doctors who said that you know there's absolutely no benefit of fluoride to teeth after childhood For anybody who's not a child anymore, you're getting fluoride and it doesn't do any good. The question is how much bad is it doing? There are conditions called fluorosis that are pretty widespread now and even among teenagers where the enamel has gone off their teeth. God knows what it does to the bones! Fluoride was used to pacify people. The Russians and Soviets discovered this trait and used it in their gulags to keep the inmates calm and not troublesome,

40:01 Yeah, you say it calms aggressive tendencies and lowers IQs of children. I mean that's pretty damning you know? Yeah, I know but it also kind of fits in with the goals. They don't want intelligent people they want good workers Another modern conspiracy, a popular motif in pop culture is the paranoid conspiracy theorist who's freaking out about RFID chips. But it seems like this should be a real concern of people today no? Dr. Bernd Friedlander Well, yeah because the RFID chip when tested on mice caused tumors and it's like I questioned a guy and he said well you know there is difference between mice and humans then I go yeah okay would you let your kids be chipped? And then he thought for a second and he said no so come on

40:54 It's shown to cause tumors. Nobody wants tumors, nobody wants something in them that causes tumors and that is just one reason. The other thing is how it can be used? The Rockefellers have this idea that if everybody gets chipped then they can have access to all of their financial and health information stuff like that. And if somebody becomes obnoxious, they just turn off the chip and all of a sudden the guy can't get a job he can't get Social Security can't get anything you can't get a license driver's license He's been made in non-person Yeah it's a scary thing but I mean its already in passports its there with not much resistance and I do think this is going to be a real challenge

41:42 When I look at the big overarching theme here, it's like they seem to be getting super close to their objectives but this Trump card seems to be the hardest to get over. It seems like that might be the wake-up call that people need but...I cannot see the whole country willingly getting a radio transmitter implanted in them. I cannot see that happening, but it is in the health care bill that was... The Obamacare bill that came out a few years ago now? Well yeah and of course you know I got a lot of flack for mentioning that because apparently they took it out before they actually passed the bill You know I wrote this in 2010 and it was still in there then

42:23 So, you know I just didn't change it. But yeah the way it was written originally was that you know It's not mandatory but if you want Obamacare You have to have it! No so in fact it is mandatory basically and you know they may have taken it out of the bill because of the heat on it but It's the it's the motivation that's important. You know, why why put it in there at all? Clearly they want this in there and you know Maybe it got caught this time and this hundred page bill they put out but they'll put it in again and I don't Know find a way to sneak it in That's what they do with all these bills, you know They're all 2,000 pages long and the Congress has you know basically 10 minutes to read them So anyway, that's the sad state of our democracy right now

43:11 That's frightening. I have this funny thing where they have a truck that goes around chipping people, like it's cool to get chipped and I wish people would just stop and think for a moment about what the connotations of this are. Yeah, another area people worry about in modern conspiracy is the vaccines. And you have a chapter in Battle Hymn called The Cancer Dance. Everybody today realizes there's been a serious spike in cancer and everyone has different theories as to why but I guess there seems to be a link between the polio vaccine and a spike in soft tissue cancer?

43:53 Yeah, yeah and I got a lot of this information from Edward Haslam the author. The polio vaccine introduced by Albert Sabin in 1955 was accidentally laced with a carcinogenic pathogen called simian virus 740 or SV 40 A massive vaccination program spread SV40 to an entire generation and when this was discovered, cancer research was redoubled in expectation of a spike in soft tissue cancer that has since occurred. In the meantime, the new polio vaccine was quietly removed but the news spurred military intelligence communities to begin researching into weaponizing cancer. Prime target of course was Cedar Castro at that time

44:39 A large lab was set up in New Orleans at the US Health Service Hospital. It was supervised by Dr. Alton Ochner, who is a right-wing anti-Castro activist who actually became head of the American Cancer Society. One of his workers, Dr. Mary Sherman held a high position in the clinic which was closed and dismantled when she died a suspicious death in 1964. In 63, Ochsner founded the International Council of Americas or INCA, I-N-C-A It was an anti communist propaganda outlet protecting the interests of American fruit shipping companies dependent on Latin American stability naturally you know in August 1963 INCA began demonizing

45:29 the odd wall that the pro castro trader uh... doctor oxner himself produced a record album of the radio discussion between our world and an anti cuban spokesman officers pictures is right on the back of the cover there But it's clear that Oswald was doing business with Ochsner. Years after the JFK murder, the garrison probe uncovered a second secret lab attempting to weaponize cancer in New Orleans. This was run by right-wing extremists and located in the apartment rented by David Ferry who had known Oswald since Lee was a teenager in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol.

46:07 The Ferry Lab employed a gifted young researcher named Judith Baker who was recruited right out of high school by Ochsner to work on weaponizing cancer. Now, Baker and Oswald had an affair in 1963 partially corroborated by their pay slips from the Riley Coffee Company which was their cover job. Baker claims Oswald introduced her to Ferry who admitted knowing Ochsner and Mary Sherman Oswald also introduced Judy Baker to Guy Bannister, who coordinated the training of the Anicastro Cubans in the nearby Lake Pontchartrain. Baker claimed that Bannister admitted Oswald was working for him...

46:51 She also claims that Oswald went into Ochsner's office before she was allowed to meet the doctor, indicating that Oswald knew Ochsner well. Baker admits that she bred a quote vicious galloping cancer end quote. The reports and samples of which she and Oswald took to Mary Sherman to be further perfected through radiation at the US Public Health Service Hospital. baker claims oswald very then introduced her to sparky rubinstein who she says told her he'd known i've lost it he was a little boy it would only after i've walked murdered baker recognized parking jack ruby

47:31 i know it's just an amazing story uh... this said the baker interview with on that day and our long program on the history channel but i'd recommend it highly according to her clay shaw arranged at the hotel rooms where she had a full-time their love trip uh... the connections between oswald show up oxner ferry ruby sharman and banister they've never been broached in official investigations of the jfk murder Baker was upset to learn that her developed cancer virus would be tested on human guinea pigs from the Angola penitentiary. They were transported, these inmates were transported to a mental hospital in Jackson and infected there and when Baker complained about this to Oxnard on a note he furiously told him that she and Oswald were expendable. He didn't want any of this in writing

48:24 On August 31, 1863 Baker says Oswald drove her to see the results of her virus on the prisoners. One man was so ill she said that just 72 hours after the injection he didn't know where he was and would die 25 days later Was this Oxnard convinced Baker to return to her Florida home? Now the plan was for Oswald to take the virus to Mexico City, where he would hand it to a medical technician. And from Mexico it would go to Havana and pass through a member of Castro's medical team who had been turned. When Castro went to Mexico... I'm sorry when Oswald went to Mexico, he never found his contact though and his attempts to bring material to Cuba himself failed because he couldn't secure a visa

49:08 So he returned and he was sent to Dallas, his new cover job at the school book depository. And its handlers told him that the Castro mission had been aborted due to damage in Cuba by a recent hurricane so Oswald continued to speak to Baker via special phone lines set up by Ferry through his mafia contacts. At least 14 conversations between Dallas and Miami took place according to Baker who said Oswald's tone became more desperate as time passed. He told her that he'd penetrated a ring with the help of Shaw and Ferry that required him to pretend he wanted to see JFK eliminated. Baker claims that Oswald tells her three locations in Dallas where the hit was being set up,

49:53 baker claims also said he wasn't afraid of dying but feared he would be blamed for jfk's death and that his kids would never know the truth uh... the at the pair for last spoke down uh... november twentieth nineteen sixty three when i saw the shirt heard that you would not alone in trying to save jfk and that there was one and perhaps two others with the same goal buddy added that it was impossible to remove himself from the situation he penetrated because he had a family would be killed They ended this last phone call by reciting the Lord's Prayer, and we all know what happened after that. A lot of good that did them Yeah man you know some of these that is that's a really fascinating story That was one of my favorite sections in book But some of these attacks on people may be a bit hard to believe but you write in the book that congressional investigations have revealed that there have been over 20,000 secret experiments and tests carried out on American citizens since 1910 that is a lot man

50:48 yeah and uh... you know i mean that's probably just the tip of the iceberg yes what's on record um... you know i make they continue to go on eat i mean you look at that and you see a you know an unbroken history of just no regard for the safety and the rights it's beginning i mean we all know about uh... syphilis experiment on the uh... black people and right in southland uh... i think that's giving them for people who don't know they basically just gave malpassee bow and watch the effects kill that we had yet at the whole point of the thing was just see how the uh... the disease developed

51:27 And of course, you know they picked the poorest people they could find just totally helpless and somewhat ignorant I guess but You know it just shows the ruthlessness that's involved in yeah. Yeah, I mean it goes back to these families at the top of the pyramid They've gained control and maintained control for a couple hundred years now, and it's It's ridiculous. I mean, it's odd that they can get their families on board you know that they can just get their kids to carry on their legacy because it is such a patient plan Yeah, yeah it is a patient plan. You're right it's generational and I don't know how close It is to fruition but I am disturbed deeply by you know Our government agencies purchasing all this weaponry and you know ammunition well And odd thing about that Is that That's the story that's being pushed forth in the mainstream news now That the government stockpiling weapons and stockpiling ammunition? That's odd that they would report on that

52:29 Well, it might be a warning too. Obviously they're doing that because they were expecting some sort of major social unrest It's all pretty damning stuff I mean what do you think is next on the agenda? Obviously they're pushing towards one world government and Obama seems to have moved the needle pretty damn far in the global elites direction but Do you think there'll be a catalyst that prompts them to start filling up these FEMA camps people hear about Yes, I do. I don't know what it'll be but some sort of emergency will be fomented in other words created by these people It could be you know another terrorist attack it could be a worldwide infection You know disease? Could be a number of things the purpose being to give them excuse to enact these in their emergency measures that are already in place You know which basically end the democratic system

53:18 Man, I think skeptics look at this and they hear people talking about it and it seems like every major event for the past couple hundred years is completely orchestrated by these families. It's a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people that somebody has that much power, but it seems like there is no… nothing just happens in this world. Yeah well I still think sometimes things just happen but these people know how to take advantage of it very quickly War is good news for the bankers you know? Nations have to borrow huge amounts of money and then turn around and use that money to buy and create manufacturing munitions, and they own the munitions companies. Theyíre getting their money back, the principal right away plus theyíre charging ridiculous interest on the loans so theyíre making money hand over foot. The governments are completely at their mercy and war is just good business.

54:19 When our governments can't even overcome this power structure, it seems tough and almost impossible for the individual. Do you think there's a way to beat them? There is a lot of talk about resource-based economies and getting beyond a monetary system. It seems like that really is the only solution because their value or their power is determined by the perceived value of currency. If we were able to flip that switch It seems like their power would kind of dissipate. I mean, is there any other way to get around this? Well yeah, yeah. I would start by abolishing the Federal Reserve System. That's a privately owned corporation and they charge a lot of money in interest just to print our money when our own Treasury Department could very easily do it and legally do it for free! They've done it before

55:13 As I pointed out in the book, Iím not making any suggestions here but there are only two presidents who went around the central bank and had the Treasury Department print our own money. That was Abraham Lincoln when he did the greenbacks in the Civil War and John F Kennedy When he used our silver reserves to create $4.5 billion of federal treasury printed bills, neither one of them made it. Both were killed publicly in office.

55:50 That should send a message, shouldn't it? Well yeah. And I try to point out to people that John Kennedy if they wanted to get rid of him they could have always poisoned him and it would have looked... he was a sick man anyway very ill so you know it could've been natural causes but no! They publicly executed him as just to send the message You know, that makes me wonder why a guy like Ron Paul who's doing more to stir up anti-sentiment against the Federal Reserve. Like why is he even allowed to talk? If you offed that one man it seems like that would have gone away a couple of years ago Well yeah if Ron Paul had won the election you would see something different but he's inconsequential for them now He did very poorly in the elections Much too

56:41 the credit of the media for not covering him in a lot of cases. Well, yeah I mean he's portrayed as some kind of goofball right? As all of us are you know anyone who is looking into this field is portrayed that way Oh sure yeah look at how they portrayed Goldwater in 1964 as some nuclear cowboy who was going to start World War III and also that he's a Krekken and so Johnson in the meantime is running on the peace campaign And as soon as he wins, we have the credibility gaps. You know where he just turns right around and kicks up a Vietnam War Is there any point where you would get out of the country? Well what me personally yeah No not yet Not yet I mean well that's the whole talk about World War two is that there were a lot of Jews it wanted to get out But they waited too long

57:31 Yeah, yeah. Well it's a bit different to suddenly you know martial laws instituted. Yeah, that's serious. It seems like there might be when it happens I think it might all happen at once and it might be tougher to get out of the country But I'm just curious because you've done so much work into it And I know people look into this and they start to get a bit paranoid I actually been considering getting away to somewhere a little more little more tropical little less under the control of these families but It seems like there's really not anywhere to go and still have some type of modern convenience of any kind. Right, yeah especially if there is a North American Union so you have to get the heck out of North America completely. But Dane Phillips is very serious about that he has actually bought a lot of survival stuff and he's prepared to hit the road

58:18 Me, I'm just sitting back here watching things happen. There certainly are some people who are making preparations. It does seem like a very daunting task but on one hand it's like why have the knowledge if you're still going to be a victim to the plan? To some extent if it were to go a little bit further Yeah well I feel like I've done some good by just alerting people by writing this book Absolutely. Trying to present things in a very factual and easy-to-digest manner, you know? Because the material in here is somewhat shocking and it's difficult for people to accept it even with the journalistic backing of the sources that I present. So anyway, I've done that at least

59:11 Yeah, I mean that's step one is education of course. But that pretty much does it man! Wow, that was a great talk for anyone who hasn't looked at Battle Hymn you really should there's so much we didn't cover there's so much you can't cover in just an hour We just kind of took some points and tried to create a bit of a cohesive story here but excellent conversation You're very knowledgeable i'm really impressed with the book I recommend it Obviously to anyone, anyone who has people who are a little bit on the fence. I think you could give them this book and kind of bring them to our side. Can I tell your audience where to get it? Absolutely. You know, aside from the usual online place really the best places just to get it straight from the publisher go to blackrosewriting.com that's black rose writing dot com and It's cheaper there for you. You'll get it. You'll get a better deal there Yeah, we're getting screwed enough right? Yeah any little any little bit helps but as is anything this obviously this books a couple years old Are you working on anything new in this area?

1:00:12 Not in this area, no. I'm working on another book it's another nonfiction book Alright well do you want to tell people a little bit about that or? Well no because uh...you know i'm still in the research stage and I like to keep things close to the vest until its published in copyright Smart smart Alright, well is there anywhere people can keep up with you online or check in on what you're doing? Well yeah actually I'm not associated with Dane's website which is battlehym.com and bbnworldnews.com but it is a parallel website we share the same interests and Dane takes more of a religious slant on it

1:00:54 But anyway, if they're interested in seeing more, battlehym.com and bbnworldnews.com are good sites. Nice! Well that about does it for us man again thanks for dedicating yourself to such a thorough examination into some of the most hidden information out there really was great Any final comments? No, just thank you for having me Greg and maybe we'll chat again soon. Absolutely! Thank you John take care. Bye bye Greg. Whoop there it is guys hopefully now you've gotten a good chunk of alternative history or actual history I should say John's very knowledgeable with the great ability to remember names and dates in a way that makes me feel completely inferior that's why he is such a great guest

1:01:38 The name of the book is Battle Hymn and it really is a textbook for understanding these families and their actions over the last 200 years. It was a real honor to have him on the show today, I also consider the 50th episode to be pretty special in its own right thanks for providing enough encouragement over the last year-and-a-half to keep pushing through there have been some weeks where guests would cancel or get called into work miss important interview and I just think what the hell am I doing you know? I don't have time for this affecting my friendships always researching for the next episode are editing the last one On top of the 50 hours at my cog in the wheel job, It's been pretty tough at times, but the messages, the emails, the tweets, the iTunes reviews... They've all been huge motivators and I think maybe I'm approaching these subjects in a different way than some other people. And of course that's the goal so thanks everyone who has helped me to continue on! I gotta thank my special lady Teresa she bought me my first mic stand when this was all just talk She put up with all the stress and frustration that goes along with a project like this

1:02:38 I've also got to thank my good friend Kyle Prineville who's been there since the beginning, my other two co-hosts and bloggers that have helped keep the site updated Adam Gouraille and Jake Bender. Thank you! There's also a few other names that really helped in the first year. Gordon Downs, Great Comedian, Hermo, Wes, Fernando Bob Hanson and Paul Herman just to name a few It's funny when you start side projects like this because you'll have some friends that encourage you and help push the project out there Then you'll have friends who couldn't give a fuck They'll tweet about how the St Louis Cardinals did or how bad the snow is but they just don't care to help a friend out it hurts at times You know? To see friends post clips from some of most popular podcasts on the net

1:03:16 who don't need the promotions and you want to say, hey man. You know we've been friends for 20 years can you listen to one of my fucking shows? You know say one nice thing about what I'm doing, and you know. I believe there's also egos Involved that get upset that they're not doing something on their own You know and if you have friends that are working hard on their art keep in mind a simple word of encouragement or a fucking Facebook like as stupid as it is could be the difference between Crushed spirits that give up and really pushing through one more day That might be the crucial day They need to really get noticed And for anyone struggling to make their passion a feasible full-time job and source of income, remember that you just gotta keep pushing through. Despite the haters and thousands of other people pushing their bullshit, you gotta make it work if you ever want to get out from under the control of these families or your corporate job

1:04:08 It's really the only path to happiness as far as I'm concerned, and it's the only thing worth working for. What's worth working for if not that right? You give 40 hours a week to a passionless job you could do the same for yourself That's enough preaching thanks for attending The Church at Carlwood check out the higher side chats comm and of course my conspiracy t-shirt company conspiratees net Please, if you have the extra flow a small donation would be great but really buy yourself a t-shirt. You might as well get something for your money If you can't do that I've said it before The currency of the internet is likes shares retweets and motherfucking iTunes reviews if you can provide me with one of those that does more and goes farther and lasts longer than five dollars

1:04:58 It means a hell of a fucking lot. So there it is, episode 50! We've traveled down this rabbit hole quite a bit Thanks for traveling with me I will see you next fucking week I love you You fit on a shelf Inside all the golf and pythons They call it class work Cause baby, Anarchist, yes We marched together On the day of Hell Hazardous drinks at sea And you came talking through bricks To that starburst window You left US in a July All those fireworks were X-rated I was burning that fucker and screaming Marty's hell tossed Those new Fords, yeah my name is LaFondra Bacon, Nippon and Jackass

1:06:56 I'm a patriot, you're high on coal You're chokin' and I scream and go hurtin' At the top of my lungs when it comes to the cars that come next I won't take your hand Cause baby march together our day in hell has to be out on the wedding game time through the bricks of the sovereign