THC 40: Walter Bosley | Disneyland’s Hidden Magic

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03:48 Folks, I'm willing to bet you grew up just as mesmerized and enchanted by the fantasy and magic of the world of Disney as I did. It would be very hard to grow up in this country or not have heard the name Walt Disney. Yes it seems Disney is as American as apple pie and false flag attacks but what if those words mesmerize and enchanted were once more than just empty marketing buzzwords they are today? What if the Disney Magic was once quite literally magic Well, today's guest suggests just such a hypothesis in his book Latitude 33 The Key to the Kingdom and his name is Walter Bosley. Walter has walked an interesting path covering everything from two decades working at high-level private security and counter espionage To founding the publishing company Lost Continent Library And more recently the production house No Budget Cinema He's been an FBI specialist A filmmaker An author And the spoonful of sugar that helps medicine go down Walter Bosley How the hell are ya?

04:41 Doing pretty good today, Greg. How about you? Kuna fucking Matata man! I'm excellent. Very happy that Adam Go-Rightley recommended I read Latitude 33 because i really loved it and thanks for coming on to discuss it with me Thanks for having me on. I appreciate any opportunity to talk about the work Yeah, man well to kick it off in the intro I talked about Disney magic and your book is called latitude 33 I'm sure the connection isn't immediately apparent for most people so let me have you tell them what we're talking about here And we'll get into some of the details why latitude 33? What's the connection?

05:17 Well, that's because Disneyland is located physically at the north latitude of 33. Specifically 33 I believe .1881 and this is a latitude that as the book points out was where a lot of interesting things exist or have occurred. There's a zone between 30 and 40 degrees latitude north that you'll find a lot of interesting things in places, but 33 specifically has a few interesting associations. Dallas, the site of the JFK assassination is

06:04 uh... roughly there at latitude thirty three and if you're familiar with the essay king killed thirty-three you'll know all about the uh... esoteric associations with that right vaccination um... on a lighter note there's you know this interesting uh... architectural things uh... and just you know but but but book so it's been awhile since i am wrote that book a few years so rusty on On the smaller details, you'll hear me refer to the book. Yes. So there are some interesting things there, I mean I live in San Diego a lot of the book is about Southern California of course as it is about Disneyland and I live right around the corner the closest part of my house is actually called Latitudes and its 32nd degree which is kind of close but now what do people need to know about the idea of unified fields and energy grid? What causes

07:10 an attraction to this parallel. I mean it is unified fields and the idea of ley lines, but what do they need to know about it before we get into their use at Disneyland? Well, I would say that the reason that people and builders and such are drawn to this zone, this latitude is because it's a very practical consideration. You find nice evenly temperate zones there that are good for agriculture or more pleasant living conditions, that kind of thing. That's a very practical common sense reason for people to be drawn there. But of course the energy that is there contributes to this state specifically and there's energy all over the planet but because

08:02 The fact that the warmer you get, people tend to associate that with comfort. Now of course there's the really hot zones where that is not comfortable and latitude 33 tends to be in a zone comfortably between the colder and hotter zones so it is common sense thing I'm assuming your listeners You know, I'm used to the concept of a planetary grid. So basically it's the grid of energy that runs physically through the planet which I like to identify with telluric current popularly called ley lines and this is something that engineers are aware of and different engineers take advantage of in different ways

08:54 Mm-hmm. This is uh, it seems like it's been known about for a long time A lot of people bring up the idea of ley lines and energy grids when talking about like lost knowledge or ancient technologies Do you think there was a? Time when these nodes on the grid were harnessed more regularly Like aren't a lot of ruins and structures on these cross sections Yes, you do find ancient ruins and structures conspicuously located where these energy lines and energy nodes are. So it strongly suggests that this was a much more commonly known phenomenon and used

09:44 in ways a little more overtly than today. As the book goes into it, I believe if I recall right that book because my book right after it gets into it The builders of the telegraphy system, the old telegraph system of the Old West and you know the 19th century thing. They were very much aware of this and they actually tapped systems of telegraphy into this ground energy because it's an ELF, extremely low frequency current. And it would boost... You know they'd post their telephone excuse me, their telegraph lines

10:27 along these lines where they have their methods of knowing where they were at, finding where they were at. But you also find where engineers place hospitals and airports and military bases that are radio stations because they're aware that this natural tolerant current can boost the various processes involved in those types It assists in healing, it boosts communication and all these things. Railroad lines also have a tendency to be built along these lines – the physical railroad tracks and such.

11:18 It is odd that it does seem part of that hidden knowledge, you know in the conspiracy realm. My gentleman who does the geomorphology so to speak...that's what we call it what he does He considers it an open secret amongst engineers. It's just something that the public finds hocus-pocus because they're generally not aware of it, and then when they find out about it, it just sounds like magic which Arthur C. Clarke said any sufficiently advanced technology would seem like magic and that's what this is And you mentioned military bases was actually my next question because you've worked with the military and government for a long time. I've heard it suggested that, uh... You know the US places their bases on this grid and some of those wilder stories are that they do this so they can control and lock down the occasional multi-dimensional portal that opens up along these lines on the earth Have you heard about at all? What are your thoughts on that

12:18 I've heard of it and my opinion is if anybody's gonna have any kind of control to access these things, it makes sense that it would be you know, that the military would be involved in that. So sure I mean that makes logical sense whether we can prove that or not is a different issue but um... That does make logical sense to me that they would and they do. I've heard of that idea used to explain the presence of Bigfoot, The Loch Ness Monster, Flying Saucers and ghosts I mean even, I know you're familiar with Nick Redfern. I just had him on recently his most recent book is the world's weirdest places It's kind of along the same lines is that there are weird places that attract a strange phenomenon Yeah, yeah, I'm in agreement with you There's something to that

13:07 Well, where would you suggest? Because I love the paranormal. I love the conspiracy world and all the mystery around it but i've never had much of a personal experience and if there were a place to go to increase the chances of that... Would you have a suggestion? Oh yeah, there's any number. But my first question would be do you feel you are... Do you think you are truly prepared for it? Because I'll tell ya', it's…I don't like to call it a Pandora's box but, you know, it's similar in idea because once you walk through or open certain doorways there is really no turning it off 100%.

13:52 So you have to really think about that. These are the kinds of things that can separate you from others in the day-to-day experience of life and reality, not that things are going to be floating around your head constantly, the presence is most of the time a lot more subtle than that. But it does change your perspective on what reality is. It changes your values in some cases and this has not happened to me but potentially you know it can end friendships, it can affect

14:37 close relationships, that kind of thing. It has affected mine to the extent of I know who amongst my friends and family that I can talk about certain things and who I cannot because they can't handle certain things or they just don't want to accept it so you have to be prepared. You have to consider all of that before you would go looking for these things. At times it'll be a handful, but if you're in the San Diego area, where specifically? Pacific Beach Oh, yeah PB okay Well I Would recommend Spending time do you spend much time in Balboa Park You know I've been there Yeah, and I know Balboa Park pretty well

15:30 Spend more time there. And also pay a visit to the Cabrillo Monument on Point Loma whenever you get a chance. My current research and some of the stuff I talk about in my book after Latitude 33, Empire of the Wheel gets into that a little bit. But since you're there... And I would recommend spending more time at Balboa Park. Go over there and pay the occasional visit to the Cabrillo Monument. You're not going to see anything overt

16:09 but these are places where the energy flows very strongly and this is one of those things where it's essentially the more exposure you get, if you catch my meaning. It takes a little time for things to I guess i'll use the word manifest. Right, that's really the best the best word you know? I would say I'm pretty ready for an experience! Of course you can say that as many times as you want but... Yes, yes you could. But I've had some strange experiences with psychedelics and I've tried to induce it that way. Ah, your wasting- You know what I'm not saying your wasting your time when you do that but thats artificial. You think so?

16:57 Oh yeah, it's artificial. Have you had a serious psychedelic experience? No! I've never needed to from the time i was a young kid and the time i was a teenager when i had an enlightenment experience...I've never needed—well let me put this way—i've never needed substances to have a psychedelic experience And that's that's a fair point and I have friends like that as well but And I did question the validity of the experience before I had it, but post-experience, I feel like it's kinda trying to explain the color green to a blind man. It is pretty realistic. I would equate it to... You know? I have friends who meditate and wade into the waters and a good psychedelic trip is like diving off the high dive. But to get back to the book Latitude 33, The Idea Of Ley Lines In The Energy

17:51 Another thing that happened recently, right before I started reading your book. I was watching an alternative documentary on the Nazis and their sort of fringe science involving earth harmonics and stuff like that in your book you touch on that a bit too mainly on The Nazi Bell what can you tell people about the stories of The Bell? Well, I can't tell it as good as Igor Krakowski or Joseph Farrell. But the basics are that starting in early 1920s, the Nazi scientists, the German scientists during that era were beginning to work on the principles of this device that was known as the Bell. And they went into it looking for alternative propulsion systems for aircraft and potentially spacecraft, and what they discovered was a much more comprehensive technological potential or technology

18:53 And it was actually, my understanding is that it was based on the ancient Vimana technology essentially or they were messing with the same things. in which it was a rotating device, one part fit inside the other and it counter-rotated. And there was a layer of special mercury compound liquid that was pumped between the two layers and the combination of the counter rotation and this mercury created fields. These fields affected

19:37 the physical What's the word that affected physical objects on the atomic level? It caused great destruction. It was responsible for the deaths of technicians, but it also had an effect on time-space and so you can imagine all the theories abound as to what this thing was and could do some people say it explains you know, the modern flying saucer era. Others say it was a time machine and it could very well have been both and like I said Mr. Kulkowski and of course Joseph Farrell they write about in greater detail and do greater justice to it than I do but its along the lines of these ancient technologies that have been lost

20:36 Yeah, I mean it seems like this knowledge and use of the synergy isn't really that rare. It's just a bit underground and you know it was at this point in my thought process when I was speculating based on the persistent rumor that Walt Disney was a 33 degree Mason That it might be called the 33 degree because that's when they present you with the hidden knowledge of ley lines And the power of the thirty-third degree but you've looked into the idea that Walt was a mason and Sadly, it seems to have no basis despite a convenient similarity to the number 33. Right? Yeah that's... and Walt Disney being a Mason is a persistent rumor that I personally try to put to rest because being a Mason myself you know I contacted

21:21 Yeah, I'm just a third degree blue lodge mason as they call it. And you know, I said well heck that's easy let's call some of the state lodges or whatever and I checked two or three Masonic sources and came back and said no Walt Disney was never a mason, never raised in a lodge nothing he had been involved in DeMolay when he was a teenager. Well DeMolay is it's the youth organization of Freemasonry, but a lot of kids, a lot of young men were in DMLA that never really went on to become Masons. It was just kind of like being in, you know like if Kiwanis I think they have something called The Key Club for high school age and stuff, you know? A lot of these various

22:12 Fraternal orders that are you know business and social orders stuff they have these and you know They just do good deeds for the public when their kids that kind of thing in Disney was that but he never went on to be a Freemason And yet that rumor Persists based on nothing more than people keep saying it so I try to do my part to point out Now, let me ask you. Is it easy to find out who... if 33rd degree is the highest level or at least the highest public level to my understanding? Is it easy to find out who's on that list? Well, if you have a lodge, Scottish Rite Lodge because of degrees that high are the Scottish rites

23:01 If they're willing to, you know if you're asking about a famous person yeah I see where if you call them and there's an individual who um... You know your asking about their very likely to tell you oh yes absolutely member of this lodge you know. Achieve the 32nd degree and then went on to get 30 not a whole lot of people become 33rd degree it's just often oposthumous thing. Are these societies, the Mason society Scottish Rite, are these the things like do you think that they hold some hidden knowledge that they release to you as you go up the ranks or what is the point of going from a 32nd to 33rd degree?

23:51 Well, you've got to remember these organizations have a two-fold existence. Primarily they are philanthropic organizations. It's a way for people businessmen or civic leaders to get together and get to know each other, socialize and network. But as a group they sincerely and genuinely do good deeds for the community it's their way of... And what I like about is that I would rather these organizations do good things for the welfare of their fellow man than the government doing. The government can't sustain that. That is true

24:34 But these organizations are often made up of wealthy successful men and theyíre generous enough and philanthropic enough that you know, they want to help the needy. And thatís what these organizations, The Shriners Hospital is renowned for being a a great hospital for children and their burn center is legendary. So they do great things, now within an organization like that just like within our everyday society or any neighborhood in America you're gonna have some people that are interested in the more arcane aspects

25:10 And, you know therefore it serves that purpose for those who are interested in that. That's what I'm interested in. Yeah, that seems to be most fascinating about it because it seems like maybe the way it looks to me as an outsider and a bit of conspiracy theorist is up until a certain point its about that business relationship but then you'll have these guys who seek out those who are interested in the arcane and say okay your ready to come up a level lets go behind this closed door And if you use basic common sense and logic, you can see how that would work. You have a lodge and all the guys having their coffee cake and some beers together and they help the widows and orphans

25:58 And then you've got the guys higher up that are interested in this stuff and they're watching, and they're seeing just like you spelled out. They would see who is more suited to this knowledge? Yeah they would be vetted and recruited into that knowledge in that way. That's logically how it would work And I guess another argument that a lot of conspiracy theorists would make is almost that those lower levels are pawns to the higher levels because they're creating the philanthropic front that covers up the real damage they're doing at a higher level in secrecy. That's debatable,

26:35 But if you believe that these guys are the evil masterminds behind this stuff, here's one thing you have to remember. A lot of people in the public don't know this but when you become a Mason and learn that… We have a thing where it's just part of our thing. We don't defend ourselves publicly, we let people say whatever they want to say and we do not defend ourselves publicly no matter how heinous it is In masonry, you just let people who don't know what they're talking about run their mouths and say whatever they want. You don't openly defend yourself because throughout time Masonic lodges have had to go underground or public. We've been in a public phase for awhile greatly because

27:31 you know, here in the States politically things were different. But over in the old world and Europe when you had the Vatican with all its power... If you want to look at an organization that's being a mastermind behind certain things as we know we gotta look at the Vatican also it's legendary how much historically the church has hated masonry they used to excommunicate If a Catholic man joined the Lodge, he was excommunicated. So what a lot of people don't know is that the material that a lot of our present day conspiracies are based on... this is stuff made up out of whole cloth by the Vatican back in the 19th century just to

28:18 just a slander masonry. Just stuff that wasn't true because they didn't want their males joining the lodges Yeah, you know there doesn't seem to be anything innately wrong with knowing about archaic symbolism and ley lines and principles of engineering that are inherent to the earth. You know the sacred geometry kind of thing? There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that necessarily but I think where people get paranoid is archaic symbolism is affecting you on a subconscious level that you're getting into the realm of mind control almost. You're right on that line, at least as to perception? Well and there you go! There's a perception and I was in a profession where... let me put it to this way A phrase that i absolutely despise but people love to use is perception is reality

29:18 bullshit uh... you know in my profession perception was usually a mask created by somebody who was hiding something yeah and that that's what i discovered his perception isn't always reality and people need to remind themselves but um... it going back to the perception of masons what if the application of these symbols what gift the manipulation of uh... ... symbols when you walk around doing your daily business in a city that's full of these symbols, what if those are symbols that mean something to the subconscious and actually are keys to unlocking the subconscious and giving you more awareness? And this I argue, and I'm not the only one but this I argue is why organizations like The Vatican Powers and other true tyrants

30:28 against masonry because they know that these things free the individual and that's what they're scared of. We live in an era right now that preaches the collective, you know I'm telling you that is dangerous! That's who you got to worry about are the collectivists. Masonry has always been about the enlightenment of the individual when you really dig into it and really know what you're talking about with masonry. And when Freemasons put these things out in the public, it's not to control you, It's not to hypnotize you into a zombie state. It's quite the opposite. It is designed and intended to open your consciousness and make you more aware of that does set you free so to speak

31:15 That's an interesting perspective, and I don't necessarily disagree with it. But people would say then why the secrecy? You'd have to say because there is a lot of knowledge here and if you don't know it, it won't benefit you. I'll tell you why the secrecy. It's just the same reason why I quit talking about certain personal experiences in interviews and in my books, and this is the best phrase to put it – you get tired of casting your pearls before swine. What I mean by that I speak for myself, I go down a certain path. I dig things out and learn certain truths and facts. I have certain experiences like we were talking earlier there is no way in hell that just my describing it to you your reading my words of description or experience is going to convey the full truth

32:09 full comprehensive impact of that experience. You've got to have the experience yourself, so therefore the secrecy is more a camaraderie between actual experiencers who understand this. What I've come to learn is Not everybody has a right to know about all this, unless they go and earn it. They do have...it's there, it's out there for them to...they have a right to it but they have to earn it. They don't have a right for somebody who else who has it to just give it to them and I'm not about to you know just give things to people. I would rather see them earn it big

32:51 dig it out themselves because they'll get more out of it. It's better for them and I think that's what part of the secrecy is about The other part of the secrecy, is a very practical thing You have to remember during times of tyranny Masonic lodges are condemned And so these guys have to operate under the surface and thats how you know who's a true member or who maybe is an infiltrator from the bad guys So it has a practical application, and it's not as sinister as people think. It's sinister as hell to collectivists-minded people of course because they don't like true individuality so it scares the hell out of them.

33:41 It seems like there's also a collectivist movement. There are both the people who are afraid of the New World Order and the One World Government, but then also I see that among The Enlightened there is another movement that eventually we will have to evolve into a global society when you see at least in stereotypical sci-fi way beings from another planet they've got operate as a unit and get all sorted out before they can really graduate place of real global prosperity, and I'd say there's probably something to that as well. Right? I see that—I have come to see that more in mythology. As I see that is the wet dream of the people who are true globalists and they want people who are suspicious of globalism to believe in that Here here's the way I see it as technology allows

34:32 You're going to have people who think like me. They are going to say, no this evil of collectivism with globalism with this global community comes some really bad things No thank you we don't want to participate when the technology allows just as people who I think more freely got in ships and crossed oceans, these same kind of people are going to get in ships and cross the seas of space and just go to other worlds. And you know, in a way I wish there was that opportunity now. Yeah! That would be interesting

35:10 Yeah, and so you're always going to have freethinkers who see the evils of globalism and see it for what it really is and understand why that's not such a peachy idea. Right. Corruption is everywhere in the concentration of power only makes it easier for corruption to get a serious foothold but Let's bring this back to the book and Disneyland. We talked about masonry, we talked you know Walt Disney was not a Mason so if there was some knowledge there to be had to place Disney in Anaheim on the cross-section of these ley lines for a reason where did this knowledge come from if it didn't come from Walt Disney?

35:53 As the book goes into and introduces the reader, there was a gentleman named C.V Wood who was an engineer for the Stanford Research Institute, the legendary SRI who is involved in a lot of interesting technology in mid-20th century. Scientific remote viewing is the biggest one that people People are familiar with the stories of the unit that involved, that employed Joseph McMoneagle and all those guys who are able to... Essentially remote viewing is when you can open up your consciousness and describe places that are miles away from your position. Thus remote viewing

36:43 And certain guys, researchers at SRI were involved in the creation and development of the protocols that are used in this remote viewing concept. And that's probably what they're presently most famous for as far as what we would call paranormal but there was a gentleman working there in the fifties uh... cv would who was very interested in psychic phenomenon such things like that and along came to disney brothers who came to s or i for much more mundane consultation regarding where to place their amusement park

37:26 Various locations were considered, but the location in Anaheim was finalized and C.V. Wood was most involved with that. In fact, C.V. Wood was so enamored of the idea of Disneyland that he left SRI to go work for Walden Roy as the main engineer building Disneyland. C.V. Wood was the head engineer on the building of the park. to go to Disneyland, the physical layout and such, that was all C.V Wood He's the one who came up with that and so therefore as the book details he is the one who placed the carousel on the intersection of ley lines. He is the one who shaped to park physically, dug a burl out of the earth and such So all things talked about in the book as far as Disneyland being a psychotronic device That can be credited to C. V Wood

38:25 Yeah, and now this is where we're really getting into it because you know we most people don't know it was built in a bold type layout And we talked about the Nazi Bell We've talked about the harmonics and the energies of these ley lines And it seems like your hypothesis. Is that the carousel itself is a spinning metal device Located on the cross-section of these Ley Lines in its bowl This is almost creating an energy bubble or at least that's the theory correct? Right, yeah. And it doesn't have to be metal by the way in the case of this is just a rotating device you place it in conjunction with that lay energy and theoretically you're going to get these results. You're going to get something that's more than some of its parts

39:17 and uh... the carousel was placed on the intersection of three lay lines that are in fantasyland and the rotation of a carousel draws up the energy from these three lines which is already three times more powerful than if it had been just on a single line. And it draws it up but then also, the rotation, the spin, disperses it throughout the park. It spreads that energy throughout the park And because the park is dug into a bowl, the energy spreads out and as it flows out towards the berm of the bowl it kind of has that effect where then it rolls back in on itself. So it does create this bowl of energy that's contained right there in the park.

40:01 And this energy, what would you say the effects of this energy could be? I've been to Disneyland recently and of course this effect is no longer in place. Right, I believe that device was disengaged in 1982 when they redesigned Fantasyland because they moved the carousel several feet so the device has been disengaged and that I attribute to why the park is really in some ways a shadow of its former self. There's several people, young folks who never got to experience Disneyland prior to 1982 and I tell you they have not truly experienced what the device did. You would go to Disneyland

40:51 It was like going to Vegas, where there are no windows in the casinos and no clocks if you'll notice. They just want you to get lost in the experience and stay in there all day. Disneyland was a very similar experience – you'd go in there and literally forget that you were in the middle of Anaheim California! uh... in and you would just get lost in this world and just you know having fun and he knew you were an amusement park but it was not quite like any other and um... I theorize, I present the idea of the book, the evidence that

41:28 that was the result, and that was the intended result I'm convinced of this device. It was just to enhance the personal experience of being at the park a totally benign goal, objective. And so at the very least you've got that as the reason why this was built and what its intention was now on the other end depending upon how receptive you are as an individual psychically in such The experience can be quite

42:06 Quite esoteric so to speak it can it can manifest things beyond just a good feeling as I Experienced and the book goes into greater detail on and is there besides your personal experience? Is there all a rich history of that type of thing occurring at Disneyland? Well, we know that there are stories of ghosts. And as the book puts it and you mentioned earlier these places could be doorways maybe that it opens doorways Now, after my book got out there I had some people contact me indeed saying that they had had some similar experiences. And in talking with these people you can pick out the ones that are just bandwagoners and the ones that sincerely have had these experiences.

43:00 So yes, I would say based on that there are people that have been having experiences. And again the cutoff is 1982 with the device disengaged in 82 what I'm talking about it's sad… It kind of passed? Yeah it can't happen. Today it's just pure capitalism. It is a soulless place. Oh you're right! I'm a capitalist myself. I don't think business is evil, but what they've done is every new attraction has to be tied in with the product. Walt didnít always do that.

43:42 In the old days at Disneyland, not every attraction might have been tied into a sponsor but that's how he got the place built. People don't realize that some people would be critics of the place and they would go to Disneyland in the old days and it was the general electric carousel progress. It wasn't just hey let's build something to sell GE appliances. And this was C.B. Wood's idea, by the way. He got Walton Roy to go to General Electric and say we need X number of dollars to build this really cool attraction and GE said oh okay that's cool! And the Disney said you can put your company name on it We don't care and you can showcase your future technology Same with Atlantic Richfield which now know as Arco

44:28 They went to them and said, look we want to build this thing called Autopia. It's a fun car ride and would you guys pay for that attraction? And they said yeah, we'll invest in that attraction sure and you can put your name on it so it was the Richfield sponsored Autopia. So this wasn't an evil sinister project. conspiratorial thing they were doing with these companies. To me, that's the positive example of that was not an evil capitalist thing but a good capitalist thing in that case and I totally agree with you now everything in there has to be pushing some product for instance

45:07 A Marine Voyage, they didn't need to make that the Finding Nemo ride. Walt didn't have a Submarine Voyage tied to any of his movies and he could've had it tied to 20,000 Leagues like it was at Disney World but he didn't. But, you know the guys in control in recent years it has to be selling and pushing something. And you can see and feel that in the park that its just not what is used to be and way too expensive for them to go. They're ruining the park I agree that it doesn't seem special. There is a tendency for people to remember the good old days, but I think that really does apply to Disneyland and I guess you would suggest it was the moving of this device from the ley lines

45:54 Maybe you know put it on that path of losing its magic yeah see the whole park is the device itself and the carousel is the operative piece That makes it all work, and if they I argue that if they move to the carousel back to its original position that The device would become operative again. It might start affecting the consciousness and more I guess slightly euphoric more positive way or enlightening way Yeah, absolutely Absolutely CB wood did this for four positive reasons? And I'm convinced and This is a good thing my experience is you know people can read in the book

46:41 I see that as it was totally a good thing. It was an amazing thing and this was not to, you know mind screw anybody or turn people into slaves that's ridiculous. Think about it. That wouldn't have served any purpose. Walt Disney was an entertainer he was a showman He wanted people to enjoy his park and come back again and again You know what? Yeah! Maybe he wanted them to be in the mood corn and get a t-shirt or stuffed animal or something buy more tickets. You know what? We live in a time where everybody wants to demonize business, and I reject that. That is absolutely ridiculous. And so there's nothing evil about what Walt Disney did. The so-called dark side of Walt Disney – he smoked like a chimney, you know, he liked to drink a little and they say he cussed like a sailor. Okay! Oh gosh! What a rotten guy.

47:42 I did want to ask you about alchemy and symbolism as it pertains to Disney because that's really two distinct topics. You've got Walt Disney and his vision of the company, then you have the modern Disney corporation. When most people hear Disney conspiracy or symbolism they think of The Little Mermaid Cock Castle, whispers of take off your clothes in Aladdin stuff like that... I've got a big interest in those more modern hidden messages and what type of effect, if any they could really be having. In my opinion I've looked at those situations and I found that you know i've separated the wheat from the chaff the stuff that's not true from what is true in what I found convincingly is that people who have done that have been disgruntled employees or smart ass employees who thought it would be cute because of personal issues

48:36 I don't think the guys that have been doing the more negative aspects of running the company, when I say they're not smart enough to do some big sinister thing it's because I don't think they're the kind that care about these esoteric things and are aware of this. Yeah, it's just greed and a particular outlook on what commerce is supposed to be in their minds. I don't think there's anything sinister to that. Now, that said as the book states, I do think that C.V Wood was somebody who was very much into this stuff and that's why you find the symbolism around the park and I'm glad you brought that up because the book goes into that. The book goes into alchemical symbols that are all over the park particularly at a carousel. Right. In fantasy. Detail some of that for us if you can remember

49:40 Oh gosh, yeah. Well you've got the symbols of like the keys on the shields that decorate the carousel overhang cover thing. You know, you've got the keys which are a chemical symbol for... Gosh, ugh! Like I said it's been a few years since I wrote it Well, the symbol that I thought was most interesting was the one that we use today to represent medical things with the two snakes swirling around. The caduceus! And it's interesting you bring that up because that symbol came from the ancient East Indian information, where – same ancient writings – where the Nazi scientists got their information on building the bell. The snakes represent the energy spinning around the bell.

50:38 you know, the central pole which created a loud flight of these ancient Vimanas. Almost a representation of a carousel really! Exactly exactly there's that and then there's the whole thing about the four treasures of the Tuatha de Dananns and if I'm pronouncing that properly...I go into that in the book where you know the crown, the scepter, and the sword And that is right there, associated with the carousel and around the park. And when you get into the fairy tales – the symbolism of actual fairy tales – I think everybody by now is aware that our modern day – particularly the stories Disney turned into films have much darker beginnings and origins

51:28 Not only darker, but they also seem to be less less removed from reality there seemed to be a little more of a tie To reality in that some of these things like fairies and gnomes and whatnot were beans cryptozoology beans almost beans from parallel universe Parallel dimension. Absolutely, particularly in the case of some say of the Tuatha and the Fomorai you know they disappeared into either the underground world or another dimension sure, maybe into space whatever that's

52:07 That's really wild stuff that I think is totally cool, that involved in the symbolism you find around the park and fairy tales in general. One of my favorite things was when I mentioned in the book that the gnomes with the red conical hats Yeah, how those hats actually start white and people don't realize that they put these things in their gardens And they put them on commercials for travel you know companies and cute little gnomes But those red hats start white And they turn red because there dyed red with the blood of virgins that the gnomes drink out of them.

52:51 and in the sense that it's not all evil from Satan, it's just darker in that most people aren't consciously aware of these things and it's scary to them because with that knowledge comes enlightenment that you can't always control. And there is a tremendous responsibility once you have it. Once your consciously aware of things, you can walk around

53:32 in a place like disneyland and just see it all over the place where is other people that are aware of it you know they're like how what that this looks like a decoration on the wall to them and uh... if they don't Yeah, if they're not aware of what it means. And then of course some people go quite frankly they go apeshit in the wrong direction once they learn that something has a meaning to it or they simply learn the meaning of something they go crazy and think oh my gosh! The overlords are doing this to drive us into the new world order and say okay you know personally I've kind of had enough of that but because

54:12 you know these things don't ever pan out the way that the chicken littles say they're going to but Not yet It's interesting and C.V Wood, I believe built Disneyland to be a psychotronic device in effect that would simply if it didn't open people's minds consciously it would give them you know it would enhance their good time at a fun place That's what I really truly have found his objective to be Yeah, an altruistic motive and I definitely could see that being possible. And whether these more modern problems in Disney movies are these little subtle messages whether they're disgruntled employees or not none of this came about until the death of Walt Disney anyway so... That's right! Thank you for bringing that up. That stuff didn't happen while Walt was alive You can't put that on him

55:05 Yeah, they can. In fact I've been very critical of the Disney company in recent times but I make the distinction that a big fat line between the era when Walt was alive and after the family members lost control of the company...I blame it on...it's the Michael Eisner era is when it started. And he became CEO around what time? In the 80s, I think yeah Yeah, and late 80s or something. It was really all the nasty stuff all the bad stuff that you can honestly say about the Disney company Really started and went through mostly though the Michael Eisner era I mean he's the guy that had the reins that You know has made the park Way more expensive than Walt ever envisioned He's the guy running the show when you know that here's the thing you got to understand how old are you Greg? I'm 27

56:06 You're 27, you're a youngster. I'm 49. Guys like me and Adam remember what Disneyland used to be and we would go to that park once it got fully up-to-speed. There was never a dead zone in Disneyland! Every corner you went to, there was something there and it was well maintained. Even if it was just a pleasant quiet little back corner where the motor boat rides used to be, it was always well maintained and cleaned. In recent years, Tomorrowland has become like the back room in your grandma's house where just crap is stored and nobody goes in there. I see that everywhere! You go to Disneyland now and you actually see rails with grime built up on them

57:04 And paint chipped off. I gotta tell you Greg never Never was Disneyland ever like that They would every night clean that place and if paint was chipped It was it was fixed within 12 hours, I mean You just never saw that and in the Eisner era The emphasis was not put on the parks it was like a hell with it, you know? Let's crank up the ticket price and people will still flock and unfortunately But it's way too crowded, it's way too expensive and it's just not up to par. It's sad that I'll never really be able to experience that but I guess you know to support my conspiratorial and anti-capitalistic view I would argue that

57:57 the wrong side of business, the wrong type of capitalist always gets a hold of something and ruins it. And this is a prime example! They often do, let's say. I would... Yeah, I mean it often but the problem is that whether it happens gradually over time or rapidly they don't ... It never goes back to the way it was and so you got 500 major companies over the past 100 years slowly getting taken over by the wrong type of capitalist and then you have a situation where like we do today where the control is out of control. You know? It's way overboard

58:35 and you don't see anyone come along and clean them out. They only clean out the good guy, at least that's my argument. was a visionary. And we live in a society where we can't have visionaries, and that's the collectivists are scared to death of the individual who is truly a visionary because that individual can do amazing things that does not serve the collective. Right? Just go man a cash register and shut the fuck up you know? That's the approach today Exactly. And so the visionary, look what's done to Walt Disney! People have to demonize him and I would argue that the people who demonize him are the ones who basically lack vision and are jealous of people like that. We see that all the time

59:29 People that are the they stand tall above the crowd and that's the first blade of grass it has to get mowed down by the jealous Mediocre Ayn Rand wrote about in Atlas Shrugged right and in her other works, you know It's George Orwell wrote about it when I think it's 1984 where people with good vision are forced to wear glasses you know, bring their vision down to be... You know everybody's forced to be mediocre because God forbid we hurt someone's feelings. All this let's level the playing field, let's make everybody feel good is seriously damaging human civilization because it's wussifying and wimpifying humankind and let me tell ya

1:00:21 That is every bit as sinister as anything a corporate guy's doing, because the goal of it is to turn everything into a big global New World Order where everybody's more easily controlled. you know that the people who stand out will be afraid to stand up or their if they do you know their head gets chopped off unit here's my here's my general view i'd find utopian thinking quaint and kind of childish. This reality we live in, this world we live in it is exactly what it's supposed to be okay? We were never intended to make this a 100% fair and peaceful and wonderful world, this utopia all we can do as far that concerned is change ourselves

1:01:17 All we can do is work on ourselves. If we work on ourselves, then our environment to I say our social environment or national environment or global environment will be better but too many people want to think that they can make this this reality we live in a utopia and I argue it already is exactly what it's supposed to be. And that is when its tough, when its harsh, when bad things pop up... It's because thats suppose to test our individual character see? And so rather than try to change the world which I might add you're never going to do! It is a waste of time people keep on- But a visionary might say otherwise

1:02:03 Well, yeah but you know okay. I'm just messing with you but and there does seem to be a... Remember remember remember I didn't say you always have to agree with the visionary what i'm saying is we tend to demonize visionaries right? But it's a true visionary would probably hope for and strive for that utopia And some good things But remember, people in hell want ice water. There's just some things that aren't going to happen and I think you have to be practical. And even we're talking about Walt Disney, I think he was a practical visionary okay? What I mean by practical was

1:02:39 His vision is that he can buy 160 acres over here in Anaheim and build his little amusement park. People can come enjoy the practical application of his vision for a day, and what they take from it – if you put that out on the macrocosm people can come away from their exposure to the visionaries practical application of Their ideal and come away with something that changes them so that they become you know a better Person inside a better citizen in their community or better citizen of the world, but that doesn't mean we have to Force everybody to get into lockstep. Now, that's true that I

1:03:24 I don't agree with the forcing, but there does seem to be a duality to almost everything. you know, we are all one which is a nice idea and then they also say true change comes from within. So you know you're talking about you need to work on yourself on an individual level and it will radiate out which is popular idea and one that I'd probably agree with but then also you're not going to change People aren't going to change the world by going out there to change the world. Right people will change the world by changing themselves and then being an example The only thing I don't like about the you know some libertarian or conservative or individual Approach is it just seems? While it does seem to be the most free, but also seems a bit cold And that's the angle that uh that bothers me about it That's the chip on my shoulder

1:04:27 Could that be conditioning? Could that be, you know... It could. ...you merely believe that? That definitely could there's many layers to this manipulation and I'm not immune to any of them but iIm constantly trying to figure out where the line is drawn and I don't deny it could be manipulation from my young impressionable stoner mind Maybe what your interpreting as cold is actually just really a faith in your ability to handle something If you think, and I'm speaking in examples here, hypothetically. You got a situation where oh my gosh, I'm overwhelmed blah blah blah and an individualist would say well

1:05:08 I'll give you a hand to get your butt up back on your feet and press on. Why? Because I have the faith that you have the wherewithal inside of you, to be able to solve this problem and get through it. And when you need a hand, I'll give you a hand." But the individualist, the libertarian says hey I'll help you up but I'm not going to carry you the whole way because it's not good for you. You will get so much more out of your struggles and this goes back to why I think the world is exactly what is supposed to be. What you get out of – see here's the deal. Here's the conditioning that is wrong in our times with the idea that

1:05:53 world is supposed to be fair, that we can engineer a world and environment of society where there is no struggle. What a bunch of damn fools! The struggle is part of human existence. It's part of how you advance your soul. It's part of how you become a whole being and experience the fullness of what life is I do think, I do see that struggle creates strength and it's almost a necessary part of that strength creation. But this pull yourself up by your bootstraps attitude is being preached by a corporatocracy that is at the very same time undermining our ability to do that with lower wages, stealing pensions so its all empty in a way in today's world. At least thats my view of it

1:06:46 And I would argue that's your conditioning because there are governments who claim to be helping those very same victims. They're not doing anything better by making welfare and the dependency state more easily available, people just say well why should I bust my ass to improve my lot when I can get up to the equivalent of $40,000 a year on food stamps and all this other stuff, I'll just kick back and collect my stuff from the government. And they don't advance that way either so here's the thing both sides do nefarious things right? Right. And it's hard for some people to know what's the good guys what's the bad guys and i argue that there is bad on both sides and also agree

1:07:42 to the individual if you want to really know what's going on, if you want to be able to see the good guys and bad guys and see who is doing nefarious stuff. You owe it yourself to enlighten yourself and that's why I'm bringing back this, the more time you spend enlightening yourself on that esoteric level, the more you're gonna be able to see things for what they are. And believe me, I have my things that I am critical about in the capitalist world But here's what life has convinced me of, that like it or not for all its imperfections the free market and commerce in trade these things that are in capitalism have been far better for humanity.

1:08:27 on the good things than the other way has ever been. And if you really look at history, honest history, you'll see that's true. Now does that mean people take advantage of it? Of course they do! This is why we have laws and this is why we have punishments and when somebody breaks the rules, you punish them for breaking the rules but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater You know, you go to a hospital right? A hospital does great things. Well you have a couple of doctors there that are doing rotten things... ...You don't outlaw hospitals just because a couple of rotten doctors. Yet you take the license away from those doctors and never let them practice medicine again but you don't close the hospital down! Right yeah thats fair. They see some bad eggs doing stuff in business so they want to shut down capitalism they wanna tear it all down well thats foolish

1:09:19 to put it in a word. And this is all part of the enlightenment thing, you know? You get out there and you start looking for the big truths and understanding these esoteric things... ...and the everyday things will even become more clear to you And that's really why I espouse the path of individual enlightenment, because each person owes it to themselves. You're shortchanging yourself if you don't pursue this and the fact that like your willing, you know? You're asking me hey where can I go to... That's the first step! You are someone who is smart enough and realize hey I want some of that. I wanna know this stuff but I'm glad to tell ya Hey Go here, Go there Be open to it

1:10:06 for it, but be open to it because if they're for the taking and you owe it to yourself to do it. And you may not come away with same exact spin that I do and that's okay. That's okay. Well hey we're getting towards the end of this show here. It has been a fascinating conversation. You know I've always been interested in some mechanisms or the tools that create situations of power which you could say this might fall into that category even though it wasn't an evil thing. It definitely probably contributed to the success of Disneyland and its just a really interesting topic I really hadn't heard discussed anywhere else, glad you wrote the book and glad you came on the show today

1:10:56 Oh, well thanks. I appreciate getting the chance to talk about it and hope we didn't meander off topic too much but... Nah It's a very interesting book, and I think your listeners will enjoy it. And it's cheap too! Yeah, I absolutely encourage anyone to get it. There is a Kindle version which definitely cuts down on costs and makes it easier to get. But let people know before we go what other projects you're working on? What do you have going now in the future? Well, if they like I would recommend they start with the Disneyland book before they would read the other book that published last year called titled Empire of The Wheel which was a result after doing the Disneyland book. I wanted to research the ley lines that intersected Disneyland and spread out through Southern California and that led me to the information in Empire Of The Wheel which is much darker

1:11:56 bigger book. And I am researching what would be, what could be the second book but I'm not sure yet if I'm going to write that because I'm discovering things I'm not sure I want to share and so on some kind of neck deep in that research. I did a film titled Hell's Bells, a 46-minute silent short which should be available on Amazon streaming very soon and of course the DVD. I'm in the middle of putting together the DVD for that. Again, it's titled Hells Belles. It is a silent movie set in 1929 kind of comic horror film and presently I am shooting a horror film called, titled Chthonic which is sound film feature length this will be about 90 minutes and very much if you like topics we talked about today or didn't get to great detail the alchemical and esoteric arcane stuff its a film about that

1:12:59 and identity, personal identity in some cases gender identity. Transgenderism kind of thing so just doing that that's what I'm up to. Very awesome well Walter it was a real pleasure you know great chat hopefully someday we can get together again maybe talk about Empire the Wheel get a little deeper into it Well, maybe I can go down to...I'm down in San Diego a lot. I could probably show you some spots sometime too. Absolutely! Definitely would love to see that happen and let me know when you're down here hope we can talk again um I know you got many more interesting works and life stories We didn't get to bring up but uh you got any last words for the people?

1:13:41 You know, just get out there and rather than read... I know I just said read my book and I want you to read my book but remember ultimately after you read the books I strongly recommend people just get out there and find out things for themselves. That's ultimately where you're going to learn the most. The books are a good pointer but after that take it from there and go on your own adventures. Alright Walter Bosley, The Boz! You're the man thanks again Thank you, Greg. There you have it folks thanks again for making THC what it is and It means so much that you're listening I've seen a lot more sharing of the show iTunes reviews have been helpful stitcher favorites all great stuff And we're growing all the time or trying to make conspiracy and the paranormal and the weird interesting fun Not some boring low quality lecture series on YouTube or a bunch of new agey bullshit So

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