THC 38: Marie D. Jones | Time Travel

01:44 Here we go again people, drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke. From San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and today we're going to discuss one of the most interesting and mysterious phenomenons up the magical sleeve of the universe...and that my friends is time! As we march along this seemingly inevitable one-way street of cradle to grave, one can't help but wonder about the nature of time and the rules and properties it operates on—and whether or not these things may be alterable If your fingers on the pulse of government black ops technology or the cutting edge scientific experiments going on, the answer is a resounding maybe. Which I've always grown up to assume is basically a yes

02:19 But today's guest might have a more educated analysis than yours truly, which isn't saying much. She is the author of This Book Is From The Future A Journey Through Portals Relativity Wormholes and Other Adventures in Time Travel. She is also the host of the ever popular Dreamland Radio Show spent 15 years as a MUFON UFO investigator and has authored other books such as 11.11 the time prompt phenomenon 2013 end of days or a new beginning and Science how new discoveries in quantum physics and new science may explain paranormal phenomenon Her name is Marie D Jones, and I think it's about time we get this party started Marie say hello to the people well hello there Thank you for having me on

03:01 Of course, thanks for coming. What a background Marie Jesus! You've written about so many interesting things but first let me ask you a bit about MUFON the Mutual UFO Network because I've thought about joining myself but i haven't because I'm not sure being part of an organization will really get me any closer to having a personal experience... But I mean you worked with them for 15 years what was that like? I loved it because, i've been out for a while because i've been writing full time and i kind of felt like the writing was my new approach to some of these anomalies but. I was in Mufan all the way through the end of the 90's and i love that because i was in.

03:43 At the time that the whole abduction phenomenon was really sort of coming to the surface i mean there had been abductions obviously you know betty barney all the way back into the sixties and forties and what have you but it was just starting to really explode and what happened was. I was part of a huge Wu-Fan organization in Los Angeles, but when I moved back to San Diego it kind of would go back and forth between the two. And we were constantly being approached all of a sudden, you know not just getting calls from people who had seen UFOs or had some type of an experience seeing a craft. But we started getting contacted by people that were talking about this abduction thing and this was such a virgin thing at the time that we didn't really know what to do with these people or with their cases

04:41 And luckily, Bud Hopkins was at the time taking a lot of hypnotherapists under his wing and getting them trained to deal with hypnotic regression with abductees. So I had the real good fortune of being able to send a lot of these cases to Yvonne Smith who is just one of the premier hypnotherapists in ufology. But it was just really interesting to see how it went from the nuts and bolts UFO reports, you know lights in the sky would have to this whole new bizarre take on what might be going on and people that were really in distress because they didn't know what was happening to them I mean they really had no clue

05:28 Man, I mean that is a theme that has come up a lot on this show and in the looking into the conspiracy stuff That i've looked into Definitely seems to you know it gets stranger. The more you look into it But it seems to be as nick redferns is connected to almost all the paranormal Phenomenons out there and see at the time Nobody thought that at the time It was really sort of categorized in its own little Corner, you know just UFO of them and then over time and I got out of move on in the late 90s early like around year 2000 and started writing nonfiction And then I just remember

06:12 You know again at around that time people started really associating commonalities with with ghosts and the paranormal with cryptids, even some of the really amazing and bizarre theories in quantum and theoretical physics like multiple universes and other dimensions of reality that we might be dealing with. And the holographic theory and all this stuff just started being attached on to What was real basic at first in the field of ufology? Well, did you ever have a personal UFO experience did your time and move on ever warrants you the chance to see something interesting this

06:54 This is what's so funny, because you have people who go out ghost hunting. Their goal is to have something happen while they're in a particular location. I always tell people with UFOs that you can't go UFO hunting. Ufology is the field where everything is unfortunately after-the-fact. Somebody will report something, you go investigate it. If the craft is still there hey that's awesome but usually what you're doing is interviewing witnesses looking for some physical traces so everything has already happened What we did have though which was really kind of interesting Is we had a hoax situation going on in northern San Diego County and it went on for a couple months

07:38 where somebody was setting off these like chinese lanterns and yeah but they had them designed in a way that it was really hard to we knew what they were up and it was really hard for the average public you know the person look up at the sky and identify if they looked really bizarre. And it was just so cool to see how the media and the public just jumped on this, even though it ended up being proven to be something else. Again this was at a time when we did not have cell phones where you could... I mean how unfortunate were we that you could see something in the sky at that time? If you didn't happen to have video camera in your pocket which back then nobody did

08:22 That was a blown opportunity. Now you've got YouTube's up the yin-yang, because everybody has something that they can snap a picture with or video something although I would definitely say 99.9% of all that stuff is just misinterpretation and misidentification. Yeah, that's the unfortunate thing. But I will tell you this... So one time I was driving home and it had nothing to do with Mufana, I don't know where it was coming from but... I was driving in La Costa down here in San Diego. At the time there was nothing in this particular section that was off of... Oh gosh! I remember over the Santa Li Hill area which are now very much built up There is nothing there just rolling hills and it was dusk

09:10 and I out of the corner of my eye saw something, and it was four lights. Two in the front two in the back And then the two in the back were flipping end over end you know then the two in the front would be at the back and they would flip over and I was able to see that there was a solid object that was doing these sort of weird cartwheels but it was still too far away I could really identify what it was and there were no roads at the time for me to go chase it down. That is the closest because I had really good MUFON training, and that's what I loved about MUFON as you had tests that you had to take in a manual that you have to follow. And we were really encouraged to read like Jane's Defense

09:49 magazine and identify not just you know regular aircraft and airships and things but military prototypes would keep up on what's being tested where because I live in San Diego it's full of military stuff. But to this day, I still have no clue what that was and it always kind of haunted me a little but for me to come out say wasn't alien ship probably not but it was really cool whatever it was I was one of those unfortunate Mufon people that never saw anything. Well at least you're honest, like i've only lived in San Diego... Like I live in San Diego too! I live on Pacific Beach. Oh funny yeah I'm in San Marcos. Nice! Uh..I've only been here for three years but I came from Missouri and crossing the desert I'm always watching and I'm like man this is the place! This is the place where you see stuff! But no

10:43 I don't know what it is. Some people just seem to attract that stuff and others repel it." Well, that... It's interesting you say because that to me makes it kind of fishy That's what I hate Is that I'll talk to some people and they're doing channeling on Monday talking to UFOs on Tuesday And I'm just like where are these things? I know! Can you teach me? But do you know what? I'll tell you something really interesting This idea You could go through the desert with, you know, the starry night sky where everything is so clear that you can see everything and not see anything. But somebody else could be right behind you in a car and actually see something... There's actually something to that!

11:26 And my co-author Larry Flaxman and I, the book that we're writing now. We're trying to look at what might happen on two levels that cause some people to have paranormal experiences and others could be standing right next to them when they don't really believe that their environmental influence is going on and there are physiological influences. They're all lined up somebody has an experience and you could be standing right next to them and you will not What are those mechanisms? What are those triggers because it really is frustrating when maybe not so much in the UFO field, but definitely in like the paranormal ghost. Feel where you have 10 people in a quote unquote.

12:11 Haunted location and some of them will have legitimate Experiences and others will have nothing and that's happened I've been in I've been on the Queen Mary several times not one thing has ever happened And yet people next to me are screaming, you know Well one thing I'm a big Terrence McKenna fan he used to have These talks and one of the things he used to say was that People have an operating system, and if you don't Like someone who's a rigid, conservative Catholic might see a UFO and just it won't process for their brain because it doesn't fit into their framework. And I'm like well that is not the case with me! I'm down show me something. Yeah but still it's kind of sad but either way let's get on to the subject at time in your newest book which this book is from The Future A few weeks back I spoke with Stan Deo about some of the anti-gravity craft that he worked on secretly for government projects

13:12 Right. He spoke a bit about this technology involved electromagnetism and time altering fields, and there seems to be a definite link between UFOs or electromagnetism in time. Have you heard about any other cases or examples of- Absolutely! This kind of thing? Yeah, I mean there are a lot of theories that manipulating the EM field and even manipulation of gravity is how the craft get from wherever they're coming from to here. And seem to do so by defying our known laws of physics which seems to limit us from not doing these same things but i truly believe that because time and space are interconnected So if you'r going to talk about the manipulation of space

13:58 which would allow a UFO to come from either one part of this universe to this part or another universe, you also have to take into account they may be coming from another time. If we talk about things like wormholes that connect different points in the universe they could also connect different universes and they can connect different times, because everything is interconnected. So why would we not think that an advanced civilization that has figured out how to do this stuff that we're trying to do... That they would not also be able to manipulate and alter the timeline as well? I absolutely think that's a huge

14:41 interest I guess you could say. And a lot of the conspiracies involving time travel, Project Montauk and what have you even the Philadelphia experiment whether you believe anything happened or not it did involve manipulation at the EM field so this stuff's been around for awhile somebody knows that it's a real good avenue to go and I think that you know you have to include time with that is not just about manipulating space Even more conventional experiments have happened like the was it the half of a Keating experiment right where they send two planes around the world and Yeah, and they're able to show that there is a little bit of time difference that occurs Was that just you know I mean basically

15:34 The faster they go, I mean the clocks kind of slowed by a few nanoseconds? It's time dilation. Like the Einstein stuff we learned in high school, the idea that the closer you come to the speed of light even if it is incremental the slower time will appear to the person who is in motion that doesn't occur to the person who's the stationary observer and of course that's the whole relativity thing but I think what needs to be emphasized again it's our natural tendency to think space and time are separate so its like ok well things we can do in a spatial sense We don't include time into that, but we have to. I mean they're interwoven and that's what the physicists tell us. Space-time is an interwoven fabric or continuum and so what you do one you have to be able to do to the other Well, what are a couple of your favorite more recent time discoveries or experiments that have happened?

16:32 Well, unfortunately they don't lead anywhere. I know! But you know what? I think they do though... even the failures like last year everybody was screaming and yelling over this opera facility in Italy and the possibility that we have found a particle that could breach faster than light speed and that was the neutrino which is really cool because it's a particle that has no mass I'm not even going to get into it. So they did an experiment, they duplicated it actually several times and that's what got everybody excited oh my god we finally found a particle

17:14 that can go faster than the speed of light. Well, what happened was they also eventually discovered that there were some technical glitches with the GPS tracking system... Ah, of course! ...the cable, something as dumb as a cable and why they kept getting the same result is just simply because they didn't know that those anomalies existed so the test just kept coming out positive but the interesting thing is it opened the door to the possibility There are particles out there like you know the mysterious tachyon that everybody used to call, talk about. That may be proven one day through these amazing experiments to go faster than light and if that's the case

17:58 you could extrapolate that to possibly mean a bigger object made up of many particles could do that. Michio Kaku, my favorite theoretical physicist he said really and I'm totally paraphrasing here that it all comes down to the engineering time travel is possible but its an engineering problem now like okay theoretically we know a lot of different ways that it could possibly work but We need to actually build, quote unquote the machine so to speak. Yeah that is a great way to say it that is an engineering problem. Now you know what if he's saying that... Right well thats the thing I was going to say I used to really love him and then I just got way deep down the rabbit hole and now I mean he seems boring no offense to him

18:47 No offense to him, but you know the conventional seems just a bit boring when you're looking into some of this crazy stuff Can you imagine I mean think about the things he talks about and how? You know how they would have played 100 years ago people would have Harry Potter. Yeah, that's true Given the research that you have done, how would you describe time? Is it a fourth dimension or more of an illusion created by the mind? Both. Right Well we do treat it as a separate dimensional, the temporal dimension along with our three spatial but again when we talk about time-space we include all four

19:26 But the thing is that the only place that linear time, the arrow of time from past present to future really occurs is within those structures of the human brain. In a cosmic sense and in a quantum sense there's no linear time We as human beings and all living things I think we all have brains even little creatures Our brains are designed that way for a reason and that is functionality, to be able to survive and reproduce. And have lives that have order and some meaning. There's purpose for life which is really to reproduce itself in whatever destiny we may be moving towards as species the goal is to keep reproducing it. In order to do this there has to be a very structured timeline but beyond the brain when we get things like mind and consciousness

20:22 When we get out there in the universe where the laws of physics may not necessarily all be the same, when you go further out and talk about other universes... excuse me. Other laws of physics that may apply there that will look like magic to us? Time is fluid it's not fixed it doesn't exist in a linear fashion past present and future are all laid out at once which means that we should be able to access information from the past, present and future anytime we want if we could figure out how to do so. Which Larry and I think that we kind of have in a way. And that's where all the mental time travel stuff comes into play. Nice! It is tough to discuss theories of time travel and time itself really without trying to define the framework of reality itself considering

21:12 that your book touches on, you touch on so many of the major theories like string theory, the multiverse or membrane theory, holographic universe. Which seems most plausible to you? How would you try to explain reality? Well okay I'm not a physicist... Oh explain reality?! It's illusion! You know okay On so many levels Yeah i really think that all right here's the deal I think reality is made up of many levels and we exist in one mainly again for functionality and survival purposes but we have access to on occasion those other realities. We call them paranormal,

21:54 anomalous phenomenon we call them dreams and deja vu and cognition and remote viewing inside those are the real clues. Yeah yeah but see think about it were not meant to always be able to do that stuff cuz if we did, we wouldn't be able to have one functional life with the purpose of which is to continue to reproduce, keep the species going. So to me and this is what our next book is about it's called The Grid Exploring The Hidden Infrastructure Of Reality Believatory. That sounds great! Yeah well what were gonna do its sort of an introductory book where were gonna bring together a lot of these theories that are in a lot of our research

22:36 Try to show how if there were a visible structure what it might be like because you know we're visual creatures and we'd like to have symbols and images so we thought of a three-dimensional grid in the way. You have these different levels, and you've got connectors each level right that's our day today normal reality But we can go up and down, side to side on those connectors and experience other realities on occasion. And possibly death is just another level of the grid. You go one up or you go one down whatever I assume you would talk a little bit about psychedelics in that regard Absolutely because those are triggers or mechanisms if you will by which

23:20 the brain sort of is pushed into experiencing other levels of reality that normally would not be aware and again that's because a functionality if we're always tripping out you know most of us would not get anything accomplished we wouldn't have babies species going So yeah definitely things like meditation, chanting. Oh my gosh anything shamanism where they do drumming and anything that takes consciousness or takes your brain waves and elevates them so that you can experience something other than the normal everyday waking state

24:01 I mean, i've had a couple of psychedelic experiences that to some friends of mine who haven't they write them off as hallucination because that's the conventional model But you know when you have the experience it just seems It seems so real like your internal dialogue is kept intact. You can still think but you're just like man something is off Yeah Well, you know what's funny there was an article? I think god last week did you talk about hallucinations how ironic That talked about how you know again for the longest time people thought hallucinations were just a triviality and yet they like dreams can seem 100% real to the brain so the brain doesn't differentiate between a very vivid hallucination or say really vivid dream and you when I talking right now in what we consider to be our waking state those are different realities to the brain. And, if you've had

25:00 A dream where something really sad happens, you cry. You feel emotion in dreams. You feel terror. There are sexual dreams! I mean our bodies and our brains react to those experiences as if they were just as real as the waking state so even hallucinations now are being taken a little more seriously it's about time Yeah, dreams are a messed up thing because you know you'll be sleeping with your partner and have a dream that they cheated on you and wake up and you're kind of like what the fuck? You know, it's stupid but it's like you know you can't you wake up in a slightly bad mood It takes a minute to shake it off. It does and that proves just how Realistic what happens on the other side of sleep really is I love it? I think it's so cool because you know when I started to realize I never bought into that whole thing about how dreams are just your Subconscious trying to you know the Freudian stuff or speak to you Yeah Well And I do think that does happen

26:06 But I really think of dreams as more of experiences of other universes, other realities. Maybe we're slipping into the multiverse and that's why things seem so bizarre in dreams because we're operating in those multiverses with different laws of physics So it looks like magic you can turn into a pink pony or you can fly! Yeah, I'm sure Freud was right on some of that stuff. Pretty sure if you keep dreaming of plane crashes it means your life is a mess At the same time, I think people know the difference between maybe a symbolic dream and one where they're in another world. Yeah! I mean...I know you're familiar with Anthony Peek. Yes! We do a lot of similar work too. His book came out about time and deja vu an all that stuff Oh he's great! I talked to him awhile ago Maybe it was almost even a year ago

27:02 Something I had discussed with him. It's like, I like the idea that our dreams are just as real as our waking life is just a different type of reality but when you have sex with someone in a dream and then you see that person... Shouldn't they remember that experience? Is it not them? Is it a manifestation of them? They're doppelganger? That's really good question! And either they don't want to admit or I think that there are people that are more sensitive to these other realities. So it could be that they didn't even, you know... You have dreams that you don't remember right? Others where you remember vivid details for years. I have waking life i don't remember! Yes! I can't remember my 20s

27:50 I don't know, that's a really good question but it could be either they're just not on the same wavelength so to speak in terms of remembering dreams or it wasn't quite them in this reality. It was them and a parallel universe so consciously they don't have memory of it for some you do. I don't know thats a good question Usually thats called date rape but its some form of dream rape I guess Oh my god honey Well, hey. Let's talk a little bit about some of the time mysteries and conspiracies that you wrote about. What about the John Titor situation? What is your opinion of him? Well I've got to be honest with you...I don't remember this happening at the time it happened in the early 2000s for those who do not know who John Titor is

28:42 Was a, excuse me, alleged time traveler that showed up on internet bulletin boards back in I think the year 2000. Yeah 2001 and just all of sudden started posting That he was a time traveler from the year 2036 He was trying to get home. He had been sent here from the future to pick up an archaic IBM computer system like the 1970's for whatever reason yeah that was sketchy yeah And, you know for some reason he didn't go home right away so he ended up posting all kinds of information about this time machine that he had created and how it worked. How it was manufactured by GE and a lot of his science was right on the money I mean obviously new technology

29:32 a lot of the research that was being conducted into different time travel theories and mechanisms by which you could create a time travel device. He was up on all that, but he started also posting predictions and prophecies very few of them came true most of them were so vague they could have come true never would've known And apparently he kept a time travel device in the back of a 1967 Chevy Corvette convertible. And I only giggled just because it's, you know... But he did post... A little back to the future? Yeah! He posted diagrams and an instruction manual. A lot of people that looked at it said hey there may be something to this. I know he was on coast-to-coast. Art Bell had faxes with him and conversations but then he just kind of vanished. Went home? Probably yeah

30:22 Or maybe he went back to 1975 to get another IBM and got stuck there, who knows? But there was a lot of speculation as to who he might be or if it was just one big... It was the beginning of viral internet fraud. Who knows! He's just one of many people that have shown up Claiming to be time travelers or claiming to have been part of some government experiment Some you know top secret times Experiment and the thing is is that how do you prove that they were and how do you prove that they weren't I know? I mean another one of those another one of those guys are pretty out there time travel conspiracy. Is the

31:03 Andy The project Pegasus, let's say it that way I definitely think weird time travel experiments have happened and been done in secret But I wrote a pretty disapproving piece after I attended one of his lectures in San Diego Yeah I just think, I think he's full of shit. But like I can never be 100% sure but it's just that he gives a presentation in 2011 saying that Carter Clinton Bush and Obama would all be present well where was that presentation in 1970 you know when it mattered? Exactly! Like after the fact or when we're pretty sure we could have made this prediction

31:47 And when I asked him who the next president would be, I'm like give me something in the future. You know what your time traveled up until today and that's all you know? He said he would be the next president. He expected himself to be the next president. He knows that he is running! I swear to you he is running for President 2016 Well, it's just I mean yeah you can run No, I mean I laugh too cuz I feel just like you do. I've listened to interviews I've heard him on seen the YouTube what he's really What's really intriguing about him is the level of detail that he retains on these? experiences because You think about you know when people lie

32:28 And they make stuff up. They don't always remember the fine details unless that they have one of these photographic memories or it's all written down in their reading office script. True So and I've heard a lot of people say, I was blown away by his detail, the level of recall but The stuff that he was saying was just ridiculous and is, you know stating that he was in this like we have it in the book this picture that Gettysburg of a little kid. Yes, I think that's just a picture of somebody that's nothing Right he claims he time-traveled to the Gettysburg Address and there is a picture of him captured And then it was in Time magazine for those who don't know yeah, yeah It's just a picture of a kid in and during the Gettysburg address. I guess yeah The kid is dressed in a way with like these big street shoes You would be able to identify him as not being at that time But I looked at that picture and I looked at that kids clothing and he looks like you could fit into that timeframe

33:31 perfectly and there have been other time travel urban legends of people that looked like they were out of time, they were dressed differently but they've always been discredited by somebody who said you know at that time there we're clothes available that look like So I just our weird desire, I guess to believe that the government is always way ahead of the game Which they very well could be. I definitely think they are Yeah But some of these people that claim that they were child you know cronanauts back in the 70's and 80's I just need more proof. I'm sorry. I agree me Chair that you sat in that manipulated the EM field and another thing what was funny? Um

34:14 is that I guess this chair, this Montauk chair fell kind of fell into a wormhole beneath it. But it didn't actually fall. It was more of a mental thing, I guess but how funny that sounds just like that Carl Sagan movie Contact. True! You've seen it? Yeah yeah She's sitting in the chair and below her are the gyroscopes spinning and spinning And then the chair drops into the wormhole the observers see nothing happen. The chair doesn't pop, but she feels that it drops so I don't know, I thought that was a little bit coincidental. Yeah! I've watched it again in modern times and I liked it a lot better but at the time I was so young...I mean that was like 91 or something I think? I wasn't like second grade and I was just pissed there weren't aliens until the last five minutes. I know a lot of people give some crap about that and that was based on his novel which had been out but he really wanted to try

35:10 But you know do like a more realistic. Yeah, it's good now I mean when you think about in those terms It is a really good movie because the alien took on the guise of her father said that it didn't scare the crap out of her You know if they're really that intelligent but that makes sense and Something else that's in your book that I found interesting that. I'd never heard about before is a Chronostasia, can you explain that yeah? That's where things got really cool for me and Larry cuz you know all this stuff is fascinating the science can give you a real big headache The conspiracies are fun But we always felt like We wanted to look at the more paranormal aspects of time travel. And we were really, really lucky that our publisher New Page Books let us put this in there because originally they just wanted us to do straight science. No no no! We're already time traveling and want to talk about that too

36:03 So chronesthesia, mental time travel really encompasses so many things. We're not talking about memory okay people say well memory is a form of time travel yes it is but Memory is tainted by the present. In other words, what you look back on in your past chances are that's not what really happened memory morphs and changes over time. I agree. Prosthesia though it's a way of the brain to travel back and forth in time It does it mentally but it doesn't in subjective time. It's a lot more realistic there's a lot greater detail of recall

36:41 perception and memory and all that stuff can really again kind of taint what it is that you remember like if you remember getting in a fight with the girlfriend two years ago chances are your adding embellishing some things and she'll do the same but chronesthesia allows the brain to literally go back and see how it really was so thats just something that alot I guess in the neurological community, the brain research is looking at subjective time travel. And again we want to do it physically because we're physical creatures. We want to be able to get in a little craft and go back to the past or into the future but how cool is that maybe the real research should be in how are already doing with our brains and our minds? Well I'd say how does that work because you have

37:31 You know, even in quantum physics there needs to be a... they're coming to the terms that it needs to be a conscious observer. Like how would you go back without just mentally without being a conscious observer? Don't you need a vessel even if it is just a body You know, I think we go back to the past all the time in terms of mind or consciousness or whatever it is that were projected. Well okay, I mean we can't prove that they're real but some people when they have deja vu, they have a deja vu in a particular location where they really get this overwhelming feeling that they've been in that location before but maybe during you know building of the pyramids and what-have-you

38:12 and it really just feels so realistic that they can actually identify places that you know, they've never been to before. So how is the brain accessing that? It's as if there's a part of us and I really do believe that mind is separate from the brain. I'm one of those... That can transcend the physical limitations of the way we have to perceive linear time and can kind of go beyond the body into the future like when you have a precognitive dream of a car crash that ends up happening two weeks later or back into the past when you see yourself so vividly in another lifetime maybe, that your able to corroborate even. And thats happened so many times its hard to discount those kinds of experiences

39:01 it's different than just remembering, it's different from reading about something and then recalling what you read. It is so deeply experiential and yet there are ways that you can corroborate for example there have been people who had past life visions where they've seen children even, where they've heard names, street names literally corroborate that those people existed, the streets existed at the time the vision occurred blah blah blah and again precognition. I mean there are people that can predict a future event i've done it myself not in a way that is real grand but I have had gut hunches where I knew there was going to be an earthquake in a few days now maybe it was my body reacting to seismic activity you know just below the surface what have you possible

39:53 You know, people who said that they were supposed to get on one of those planes at 9-11 and they just knew not to. To me that's precognition. What about the people who did get on a plane? Are they just no tuned in? Yeah you know there are two ways to look at it either they did get the same signals but ignored them because how many times do we do that? Right! Gotta get to work! Exactly! I can't have my boss fire me or lose my job Or they didn't because again of what we talked about earlier where there may be you know certain physiological differences between the person who got that just the kick in the gut to say no don't get on that plane and The one who maybe got a little bit of an inkling that something was off that day But it wasn't strong enough for them to pinpoint or the association with getting on a plane so I mean to me, that's just differences in the way that were made and

40:47 I really like the idea of following, you know some type of communication with the universe. You know there's actually a movie called Jeff Who Lives at Home with Jason Segel it's kind of a comedy movie but it's a little weird so it didn't really reach the mainstream but he basically follows all these messages like somebody calls and asks for Michael and it's a wrong number then throughout the day is looking for a Michael He sees a guy with it on his jersey follows that guy It's a pretty damn cool movie and I wish I could live like that but so many commitments see that's the thing it gets into a little bit of a metaphysical arena here but the thing is is that

41:32 I think you know and getting back to even time and the perception of linear time. I think we are constantly bombarded with opportunities to look beyond the five senses at that deeper reality, to get beyond the illusion of reality which is nothing but our conditioning and beliefs in our perception all of which is messed up. And we get those little glimpses but here's the thing How often do you slow down long enough to pay attention to them when you've got and I'm not just saying, you know. Yeah the royal you yeah well we're on the computer or were on Facebook we've got our faces buried in our cell phones we don't even talk to each other how do we ever slow down long enough to get signals?

42:17 synchronicities, the intuition. Even gut instinct is trying to tell you something and I really know so many people that blow right over all that communication from the universe because they're focused on getting to work get the kids to school finding something to eat fighting with their spouse or their girlfriend or boyfriend...I think everybody gets those signals but not everybody will pay attention There's actually another strange phenomenon in your book that people make claims to which is the time slips Yeah, what are some of the more interesting cases like the principles of st. Hughes? That was a pretty interesting one You know it's funny because the reason why we wanted to include that is because We were talking about missing time and learn I've written about missing times as we both had missing-time Experiences that were very similar where we lost me you know he was with a group of people that actually lost their

43:10 two hours of time together. I was myself on a freeway in Los Angeles so you know, i'm a huge fan of Jenny Randall's and the work that she does she has written some brilliant books her book Time Storms looks at time slips time travel time shifts time anomalies of the ying yang but A time slip is nothing more than you might be at a particular location or you may be out walking, riding a bike, driving a car and suddenly it's as if your zapped. into another time frame and it could be the past, it could be the future. It can also happen that you come out of this sort of disoriented fog and your 500 miles up the road its 10 hours later but all you were doing was going to the corner store which should have taken ten minutes so they're like time disorienting experiences I guess you could say

44:04 But some of the ones that we looked at occurred in the Victorian era. Oh gosh, let me see if I can remember some of the details. Yeah well consider The Most Famous Time Slip is a story about two English women who apparently had a time slip this was way back in 1901 while they were walking through the gardens of Versailles France looking for a path to go one particular place that they wanted to visit which was the Palace of Marie Antoinette. And they both had just the same feeling of disorientation, which is always associated with time slips and I can attest even that to missing time that right before my missing time I had an incredible period of disorientation to the point where I couldn't open a door. The door kept closing on me. Wow! Yeah it was really freaky so anyway they apparently showed up at some

44:59 Deserted farmhouse there were people that they talked to and came in contact with that. We're all dressed very much in, you know, Victorian type clothing and. They had conversations and then of course when they came out of it, they really felt like you know something. And here's the thing if I would have just happened to one of them we could easily pass it off as well You know maybe she had low blood sugar Yeah two people though It happened at two people now that's an older story for some really interesting newer stories again highly suggest Jenny Randall's book time storms because she covers

45:36 A lot of really current cases where people enter this weird electrical fog, it could be greenish even. Where there's a lot of static, a lot of electromagnetic anomalies occur, people watches stop if they're in the car and the car dies what have you in this weird fog and then when the fog lifts or they come out on the other side that time slip has occurred So what is up with that? Because if you know anybody who knows anything about the Bermuda Triangle, there's the association with electronic fogs. A lot of UFO cases and that's another thing about time slips and missing time is there's a lot of association with UFOs sightings abductions would have you so it's just some really cool time anomaly stuff that that's out there already happening to people where they could be time traveling and not really want to do in the first place

46:30 Yeah, I mean another recent guest Nick Redfern he wrote about in his most recent book the world's weirdest places He talks about the Bermuda Triangle. Hey, I'm sure you know He also writes about You know your ideas about of these possible gateways or these portals And he's one of the groundbreakers of what? When I wrote my book Science, which was my first real big non-fiction book. I interviewed him for it We got on the conversation of things like Tulpas Creatures that are literally created out of collective consciousness and yeah all the multiverse because again at the time we were just thinking of UFOs as being you know from just Venus metal craft Yeah, there you go Yeah so he's crazy a lot of good stories that

47:22 that really will stretch your mind, boy. Yeah and even the Bermuda Triangle there is that same consistency with that weird green fog it seems so sci-fi but that's what people talk about What can you tell us about research and experiments of Cornell University's Daryl Byrne? I thought that was pretty interesting At Cornell and Ithaca, they have managed to find a way to manipulate the microwave spectrum of light. The microwave part of the light spectrum to cloak two and now three dimensional objects. And at first they were only able to partially cloak them

47:59 But I think recently within the last month or so they did succeed in completely cloaking and we're talking very small, you know. Minuscule things but what's what that is applied to again? And what the Philadelphia experiment had to do with that is the idea of rendering. ships invisible to enemy radar. Can you do that? And if you think about where cloaking came from, think back to Star Trek and the cloaking devices and God I think even Star Wars used that as a device but yeah Cornell is doing a lot of cool stuff they are also doing a lot of stuff into

48:38 Deja vu, quantum physics, putting particles in two places at once. I'm thinking if there's any university in the country that is really at the edge of The most cutting-edge of science it's got to be them well It's awesome that some of these more conventional Universities are taking a look at the paranormal stuff because for a long time they weren't and I mean whether you're of the opinion Of it or not. I definitely think there is a group of people powerful people who have Some type of knowledge and information that we don't have and we're kind of operating without that but it seems like

49:20 There are some really interesting experiments going on with some really intense results that kind of do show us the underlying Rules of the universe that we might not have understood before Absolutely, and the thing is like you said you hit it right on their head. This is just what we know about yeah so just like the universities where they publicly published their research so We can imagine what might be being done under the radar where you have universities that are working in conjunction with DARPA and SAIC and other entities that are behind

50:01 doing the same research, but they're probably 20-30 years ahead of what we publicly are aware of. That's real frustrating too because I think that you know it's like we never know if we're getting what's happening now or if we have to add like twenty years of technology to what's coming out of Corning to get there. But the thing is and People say well yeah that government can keep secrets. Well no they can't because there's always conspiracy theorists breathing down their necks a time machine That would be the ultimate you'd have to figure somebody would have a picture of video some I don't know diagrams blueprints you would think Well one of another Terrence mckinnon idea, I mean I'm sure it's an idea that has been around but I heard about at first from him was the idea of time travel that

51:04 you know, you wouldn't see any evidence of it up until the invention of the time machine and then at that moment you'd see time machines just popping up every freaking place because that's as far back as you could go. That is an interesting idea! And he also kind of theorized that could be a possibility for December 21st That would be interesting. That's the multiverse theory and that's adding the dimension of time to that theory which is just so popular in the physics community. So if you're going to have alternate universes, you've got to have alternate timelines to go with them and they can be infinite number which is kind of hurt your head think about

51:56 Well, you also did write that book 2013 and let me ask you about it just for the simple fact that in less than two months we can't really be asked again. You know? We're getting close to it. Oh they'll just find a new date to pick on True true but it is kind of exciting to live at a time where I mean there's always predictions but very few have as much weight to them as this Mayan prediction and the I Ching calendar also kinda hints at this date It's an exciting time to live through even if nothing happens But, I mean what are your thoughts on December 21st 2012? Just another day. I think for the majority of people it's going to be another day you have to figure Israel may still be bombing the Gaza Strip and unfortunately there'll be poverty in Somalia for most people on the planet it's another day but for the people that are aware... You've got three camps. You've got the camp that says nothing is gonna happen there's nothing to it

52:51 you've got the camp that is more of the doom and gloom apocalyptic crowd, they literally misinterpreted Mayan mythology by adding on Judeo-Christian tradition. And they're expecting the end to the world okay? But they're gonna be raptured though so it's not going affect them. Of course! And then you have the new age metaphysical more spiritual camp that thinks this is a time ascension expansion of consciousness activation of junk DNA where we will become more capable. I'll tell you were I fall

53:28 I fall into the novelty theory, singularity. The idea that time is accelerating because the human brain is being exposed to more and more information that it must process and determine whether or not its important enough to add to our reality so it feels like time is speeding up even though and we're at a point where very soon technology will overcome our humanity, or our brains will not be able to process the sheer volume of information that is coming out us. And that's when the moment of singularity occurs so either our brains are going completely shut down or they're going have to somehow adapt to this new amount of information I think thats what were leading towards its more

54:17 an expansion of the ability of the brain, the capacity of what the brain can process. Yeah I would really love that to be true! I mean... I've got some friends that you know look at the DVD collection i have and they just roll their eyes and I'm like look look I kind of think of it as terms of if you were in the first day of the Renaissance, it would seem like just another day. You know? But when you look at that period and history, you can find a time, a day where it kinda started. And I think that- Yeah, I think December 21st might be something like that because we're just gonna think of it as another day but when you look at maybe 100 years in the future, you'll be like, That was the catalyst right there! I totally agree with you cause' I'm always saying to people

55:05 There is nothing in the Mayan mythology, in their cosmology, in their origin stories. There's nothing that says the world is going to end. That has been That is interpretation that has been added on over the last couple of thousand years by Western, you know trying to apply the Gregorian calendar to their calendar which is impossible. Changing dates manipulating forgetting about leap year this that and other thing and then piling on Judeo-Christian or Western belief onto a very pagan mythology but here's the thing

55:43 They did believe in cycles. They did believe in world ages, they did believe we're coming to the end of one but in their eyes it was the end of life as we know it and the beginning of life you know which makes me really like the idea that a time machine would pop up there because then you don't need to keep track of the cycles anymore because it's totally off-the-radar yeah and also I mean a lot of people really feel like this shift that's going to occur is gonna open up some of the doors that have been limiting and inhibiting us from controlling the temporal dimension oh that'd be great and even we

56:23 we will go beyond even a three-dimensional experience. I mean, there's so much talk in the physics community of hypercubes and fifth dimension and beyond sometimes even talk of 22 32 infinite number other dimensions you know our brains can only perceive 3 so maybe something will force the brain to adapt to perceiving new spatial and temporal dimensions because We're too primitive or too archaic right now to continue to be able to process all of the information that is coming at the brain. Technology is going, in 10 years technology will look like magic to those of us now pretty damn cool you know? Right! You don't keep up and in terms of our mind our mental ability to deal with this stuff we're in trouble

57:17 Well, and also before we go I did want to switch gears a little bit and ask you about one of your other books the 1111 time-prompt phenomenon because i have A friend who swears by this phenomena he says when he looks at the time or the odometer He sees it's on eleven eleven both the last names of him And his wife they both have double l which he finds meaning in What do you make of this? 1111 thing I never knew it even existed before we were asked to write the book that was actually given to our publisher, which was really cool. But um...I see them all the time. I posted something on Facebook that my coffee machine

57:53 The clock won't work now. So every time I look at it, it says 1111 or 333 which is another time prompt that a lot of people experience but the thing about 1111 is you've got millions of people all over the world for the last 40-50 years because this has gone on for quite awhile who see this number sequence and it can be on a digital clock, it can be on a receipt whatever...a billboard And where Larry and I were able to make the connection is that whatever happens on December 21st 2012 next month the winter solstice which was critical to the Mayan you know to their worldview is said it to occur. The moment of winter solstice begins at 1111 Greenwich Mean Time according to the Naval Observatory's atomic clock, which is the most accurate on the planet! So people feel like the 1111 are prompts or pokes

58:50 I'm going to be doing a podcast called the power of meditation. Who knows what will happen? Maybe nothing, but maybe people's minds and their brains will just shift. And we'll suddenly start seeing the sixth dimension you know that would be the best I mean yeah someone as lazy as myself i would love to just wake up one day and like now i can see crazy shit that'd be great! I've ascended woohoo! We're just gonna have to make breakfast ya know go work But no I think a lot of people feel like they're

59:27 Wake up calls to just get present pay attention to what's going on and you know what that's not a bad thing to do anyway regardless of December 21st correct yeah, well Marie. You have an amazing body of work when I'm sure You're not just kicking back in waiting for the apocalypse What else are you working on? Well Larry And I just signed with new publisher Hampton Road Sarah Fenton write the book The Grid which is about our attempt to give a structure to reality And, oh gosh. We've got a couple of screenplays that we've optioned that are one is in pre-production called 19 Hertz. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah it's based on our book The Resonance Key about the power of sound

1:00:09 Just all kinds of stuff. Yeah, next year is going to be a busy year. Where can people check up on you? Obviously you have a website... My website is mariedjones.com. My website with Larry my partner is paraexplorers.com I'm on Facebook, Marie D. Jones author Twitter LinkedIn and Larry and I have a Facebook page for parents floors So we're everywhere you gotta have it all these days. I know Hey Marie it's been an amazing conversation. I really loved it Thank you yeah, I wish her the best of luck Hopefully we can talk again when your new book comes out the grid sounds amazing very matrix II which I'm really into now

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