THC 32: Szandor Blestman | Vaccines, Fluoride, & Aliens

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01:44 Hello party people! Welcome to the Hireside Chats. May your day be laxed and your bowls be packed. Drinkin' a little drink and smokin' a little smoke from San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood Right now it's 10 a.m.. On 1010 and the stars seem to have aligned bring us a prominent truth blogger and author Shander Blussman the sacred scribe of shanderblussman.com His articles been picked up and featured on the websites of ABC Jeff rinse, and Alex Jones And now The Higher Side Chats has picked up and featured the man himself Shander blussman How are you? Hey I'm doing real great Greg Thanks for being here. You've written a lot of great articles that hit on some of the major spokes at the conspiracy wagon wheel heading down the Oregon Trail in 2012, mainly the flu vaccine, fluoride, and corrupt and manipulative media to mention a few. Whenever I meet someone knowledgeable about these topics, I like to ask them where was your major break from the mainstream? And what was the lie that sent you down the rabbit hole?

02:46 Oh, wow. That's actually going back in time quite a bit I kind of started to wake up or have these little glimmers back when I was about 20 years old Wow In 1980 there was and i'm talking politics in terms of politics in 1980 there was a gentleman named Anderson I forget his first name but he was running as an independent for president And this was the year that Ronald, well one of the years that Ronald Reagan was huge. And I was actually stomping for Anderson and voted for him. That was one of like two or 3% that actually thought hey maybe we could change the world by getting rid of these Democrats and Republicans and getting somebody independent in there. Of course he didn't win but that kind of started my journey

03:46 Then the, I think the real break. The thing that really made me start questioning the reality that they were feeding us was the Waco affair. My little brother was telling me that the military, the police had started that fire And I was telling him, you know, that I was determined that it wasn't the police who had done it. That the police weren't bad. That the people inside of the Waco compound had started that themselves and he gave me a film to watch and for the longest time I refused to watch it.

04:32 So then one day I finally said, you know what? I'm going to watch that film and prove to him that he's wrong. And I watched that film and it showed me that he was the one who was right. And I had to apologize to my little brother for getting so angry. That really started things for me." Nice. That's a common thread that a lot of people, when they start down the path, initially are trying to defend the government and the leaders and then they just find once they really dig into the evidence, they get past that first layer propaganda. They see man this is crazy I can't defend this kind of stuff It was like taking the red pill. And once you know Once you know the truth, once you admit that you know the truth. I think a lot of people know the truth but they just won't admit it!

05:16 It's overwhelming. Right, they won't see it for themselves They refuse to believe it They refuse to believe that their dad or their mom is bad and you know by that I mean mommy government daddy government You know they want these people to be good They want these people to be taken care of them and I don't blame him I can understand that we all want to be coddled and loved And you know it? It's a good feeling But when it ain't happening, it ain't happening and you need to admit it. And you need to grow up and just admit that these people are bad, admit that they're corrupt, and try to look for somebody who isn't. Try to find a different relationship. I agree. Let's talk about the Waco situation because I hear a lot of people

06:09 of a slightly older generation than my own talk about that being their pivotal moment. And, you know I've heard a little bit about it but tell the people what exactly happened at Waco? Well, Waco was a standoff with the FBI and the ATF for a long time and they... What they did was they went into- It's a religious compound They they went up there looking for guns and I you know what? Refresh my memory. I forget the leader's name Oh, man David Khrushchev David Koresh. Yeah that was it and They went up looking for illegal weapons And they had a raid all planned and it fell apart because there was a bunch of people in there with guns and they started shooting back

07:06 They were defending themselves. And naturally, once that happened the FBI couldn't let people think that hey these people were just defending themselves against us they had to justify their actions so they surrounded the house and they sieged it for about a month six weeks I think and then one day they went in there with a tank and started in on fire and killed all of these little kids And they just didn't care. I used to think, no no they tried to save their lives they were the good guys this David Koresh guy was crazy there was no excuse whatsoever for what these government people did and once you figure that out it's disgusting if your out there and still think that the government did the right thing consider that they knew Koresh

08:10 routine and they could have at any time gone up to him while he was walking down the road because he used to walk every day or At least once a week and they could have gone up there and arrested him right then in there They didn't have to surround his compound. They didn't have to deal with anybody else there at all What was it that they were doing? There that got the government's attention That I'm not sure of illegal weapons, but that's all I know It's the same with Ruby Ridge they suspected them of illegal weapons dealing. And... You just go in there and you crack down? As a conspiracy theorist, I think that at the time they were trying to really crack down on gun ownership and take guns away from everybody. And so I think that they were going to use these people, the Koresh's and the people from Ruby Ridge as examples. And it all backfired on them

09:13 You know, one can only wonder if they had been competent enough to actually make the arrests and make these guys look like bad illegal people that threatened the lives of innocents. Maybe we might be in a different... They might have actually taken a step forward and been able to take more guns off the street and kind of disarmed the American people more than they have already but because of

09:57 thing that the part of the programming that does break down is people seem to be pretty attached to their guns and it's a weird thing because you know people cite the Constitution and then it's like, the government puts forth all this like happy American propaganda. Like proud-of-being-American and you know people take that to heart and that part of that includes the right to bear arms so when you come back on the opposite end and say um You know, everything we're founded on is great but we gotta take those guns away. People just...they kind of...a switch goes off and they like hunker down you know? Yeah well that's a tough part that the government has. Same with free speech I think the first two amendments are really something that the American people kind

10:43 you know, they're jolted to awakeness. They're all of a sudden... You know the other rights, the right to own your own property and stuff like that, ah let them have that as long as they keep us secure but when it comes to free speech and when it comes to taking guns away in religion, it really seems that the government is having a tough time Yeah, I mean it's good that the programming breaks down somewhere but especially if it was a lot earlier than that far down the line. It's hard to break the indoctrination of the schools, the school system you know when you have to stand well when I was growing up I had to stand every day and put my hand over my heart and say I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

11:33 Me too. Yeah, and it's really hard to break through that kind of indoctrination and the state owns the schools. You can't send your kid to a ... Well you're already paying for the school because you're paying those property taxes so if you want to send your kid to another private school it's going to cost you a whole heck of lot more The private schools are now getting more and more public. They're taking more and more public money, and it's really difficult to send your kid to a school where they can teach them how to think critically and how to think in terms that is not statist

12:17 Right. I mean, the whole school system itself is a big conspiracy that the Department of Education was actually funded by the Rockefellers and a bunch of large multinational corporations who in turn put forth a system that was just going to teach people how to be good workers and And you know, I hear all the time kids in school saying when am i ever going to use this? It's like well you're using it right now because what you're learning is that you go somewhere you don't want to be for eight hours a day five days a week. You respond to the bells your clock out for lunch and then you get to go home yeah from the age of five

12:55 to 21. You're learning that eight hours of your day belongs to, you know they say—you might say the greater good but it's really just private corporations. Well that is so true and people forget that public schools is the tenth plank of The Communist Manifesto So that's you didn't know that no read the Communist Manifesto. It's it'll open up your eyes if you're especially if you can read it from the point of view that you're at right now, the fifth blank is to have the Central Bank all right? Yeah, and that's a huge problem in itself That's probably

13:35 the whole origins of the great conspiracy is that some people instituted a currency and convinced us that it was all worth working for. Yes, right! And then the first four points are all about taxation and how you don't get to have private property that at all belongs to state but then you gotta ask yourself well who's in the state? I mean these would be the top guys... You mean they get all the property? That sounds like a king to me so its really just Communism is really just feudalism. Yeah, you know they're all built on each other I mean I'm kind of feel like we've never really experienced a lot of these government structures because the Monetary system is still at its base always and that in itself kind of

14:24 throws a wrench in any type of system because, I mean that's the greatest bit of programming. I think is again that you have to work for the money. You know communism is supposed to be everyone shares but the principle of scarcity is always still put right in the middle of it assumed scarcity and then Americans did have a different system at the beginning I shouldn't say at the beginning because they did have the first national bank, but once Jackson got in there and actually crushed the second national bank Americans had their own money. The dollar for instance is defined as about an ounce of silver. There's an exact measurement point that was... It actually still is law

15:19 So, the dollars that we use from the FRNs are actually truly lawfully not real dollars. The real dollar is supposed to be a measure of silver and when you tell people this their eyes just kind of glaze over and they really don't get it. They don't have that That understanding that the money that we use is what keeps us free When you're using a debt-based money You go into debt when you're indebted. You're no longer free because you owe somebody a portion of your Basically of your labor or something that you produce so you are

16:09 Not free because you're under the the heel of the person that you owe So in the long run, we're all under the heel of the Federal Reserve exactly Well, you know one of the pieces you wrote that actually got a lot of attention that I really liked was actually about the flu vaccine. And this is an area of great concern to me because I have friends who are in med school and they say I'm crazy for being skeptical and ignorant to the science behind it—and that part's true but they're ignorant to planned and calculated attacks on humanity by the hidden hand behind global politics

16:47 but I get very skeptical of anything that has such an aggressive, chorus line of support through society and in some cases becomes even mandatory. The question is this part of the plan to keep us down or am i just looking at something that isn't there? What do you think? Well, OK. I wrote that piece because of the mandatory nature of what they were doing with the flu vaccine was they were making it mandatory or they were trying and there were doing their best to make it mandatory . And I don't trust the government and I don't want the flu vaccine for me. The flu vaccine got me sick

17:29 So, you know it's an individual thing and you can tell me no that wasn't the case all you want I'm saying look. I've taken it. I got sick. I know what happened You don't you weren't sitting there in bed with me while I was shaking and shivering And couldn't get up that had this headache and muscle aches everywhere and it was terrible It was awful and I didn't want to go through that again so I don't want to take these shots I don't trust them So, you know if I want to take my chances getting the flu through natural means why should you be so concerned about me? You go ahead and have your shot. I don't care! Do you want a shot? Take it! Have all the shots you want in fact there's a guy i talk to every once in awhile at the bar and I saw him going into Walgreens for his flu shot

18:23 and I asked him about it, he says hey i've never got sick. So there you go he's had good results now when I start looking into the adjuvants of the mercury, the squalene, the occurrences autism after the shots and stuff like that, I say you know this needs to be studied more. It at least needs to be studied more and no it should never be mandatory people shouldn't should not be forced put things into their body that they don't like

19:02 I think about this a lot because, when I have kids and want to get them vaccinated it's scary. I'd hate myself if they got sick and died because of it. People like my med school friends say that I'm putting society at risk by not vaccinating. I'd feel even shittier if my kid developed autism because i let some asshole inject my newborn with you know traces of a virus. That's essentially what vaccines are, but it's tough! Did you vaccinate your kids? I know you have a couple... Yeah, I didn't have much of a choice because it was not just me. There was my wife too and we had to keep peace in the family

19:46 The one thing that I did do, that I actually regret doing is I had my son circumcised and I wish I hadn't done that. Me and my girlfriend debate that very issue all the time No well see that's the things... My wife at the time would have agreed to not have him circumcised She thought it was a bad thing to do so I wish I'd listened her Yeah, it's like do we really think chopping the dicks off infants and injecting them with needles is the best way to bring them into this world? It's the first thing we do. Exactly! And you know that's violent and so were teaching violence even before they can grab hold of anything You know it's a terrible thing to do yeah I wish I hadn't done that but I did

20:40 He's forgiven me for it. So why would you opt out of circumcision? Because it's not necessary as I, you know, I actually understand the the reasons for...I have a friend whose son isn't circumcised and he actually had to show his son how to take care of the foreskin so that it doesn't become dry and brittle and kind of break and stuff And I you know, I can understand where that can be embarrassing and everything like that So circumstance, you know circumcision kind of makes it so that you don't have to go through Through that but on the other hand. You're kind of bonding a little bit. I suppose kind of strange thing to talk about but

21:26 Well, I just think that her argument is... She's wise to a lot of things. But her argument is really just cosmetic. She thinks that cosmetically if you don't have it done You're going be the odd man out The weird one in society where your sexuality Is already such a taboo subject Now you are the one with the weird dick When in reality yours is only natural dick around You know, she just thinks it's cosmetic I say well what if I thought that vaginas looked better without clitorises should I just be chopping all those off? You know everybody and you know what that's how Muslims look at it So if you're gonna look at cosmetic things, you know That's just not right. Right if she's worried about About the looks he can look on porn tube a little bit. I'm sure she can find men without certain issues and you got one but Kid

22:23 There you go. No, no don't let her do it It's barbaric. It is a barbaric practice and it should be stopped right? And it's you know, it's time to stop and really I mean like you said she's got a man so I mean is she uh Is she happy with you yeah Is she saying that you should get a circumcision because you look funny? No, no. I mean she's got one that is circumcised and that is her thing. Cosmetically if your kid is in high school girls are going to go around being like he has the weird dick It may happen. I think that would make him more popular with the girls because they're all gonna want to see it Yeah, they're gonna be curious It is it is a weird thing. It's a barbaric thing I mean, I know I think in my family was probably done at the time for just as a religious ritual Which is also ridiculous but not I don't know. I don't know if I'm gonna cave in on that or not But are you Jewish?

23:23 No, no Catholic. I mean i'm not anything and neither my parents are anymore either but we were all just playing along for my childhood. I had a sister who became Jewish so that she could marry her husband who was Jewish. She uh...I went to the circumcisions of her children where they do it for everybody to see Strange thing, but well you bring out it's what it is and it is also a Jewish practice as well But in in the Jewish religion I've seen some weird stuff that the I guess. It's a moil who does the procedure? Yeah there is a ritual where the moil does removes the foreskin with his mouth and

24:13 I mean, it's pretty common. I won't say it's common today but you can still see pictures of real traditionalists where the moil is...I keep saying that like I'm pretty sure that's what it is. It IS moil. But he takes it off with his mouth and you can find pictures of it online. I don't think they want to see that, right? That's one of those things where if they couldn't do that in the United States they'd get arrested! I'm not sure if they would or not...I think they would here but I am not sure The point is if he wasn't a religious leader and this wasn't a religious ritual then I would be in jail for having that picture on my computer Right, right Instead its done on public forum

24:57 I don't think that's on my computer anyway. Oh man, you don't want to see my computer but... Another conspiracy that is in the public health sector that you've written about is fluoride and water supply and so the thing I always say about this situation is where else in society do you see government putting extra effort on that sort of scale to make everyone healthy? And why teeth? Why not just pump in natural vitamins Well, the thing that got me...that really opened my eyes to fluoride in the water is the fact that Germans used it in their concentration camps. To keep prisoners, you know, docile. So you're going wait a minute and then your telling me its because its good for teeth?

25:49 And they talk about the bags that they have, that they put into a water supply where it says its poison. It's in rat poison? Come on! What kind of lies are you feeding me?! So its just lie upon lie upon lie and if you...it always follows money If you trace back there is always some way to make money The fluoride was in the water because certain businesses didn't want to have to dispose of it. Yeah, it's a byproduct of certain processes right? Right I think atomic processes so this is coming in after World War II when you're making...when the nuclear power industry is just at its fledgling years and you've got all these processes to make the nuclear bomb and

26:46 It wasn't that 70 years ago. It wasn't really that long ago People might think oh, yeah That was forever back But it wasn't and in the town that I lived in and West Chicago for years. I live there for 20 years There is this stuff called thorium? It was the byproduct of Kermagui Corporation which was a huge corporation still is and they were working with the Department of Defense to help create the atom bomb. They were part of the Manhattan Project, which by the way was when people talk about conspiracies oh if there was that many people involved we'd know The Manhattan project had like a hundred thousand people involved and nobody knew about it until those bombs went off in Japan

27:39 The general public was kept unaware of what was going on right under their feet. So the people in Chicago, in the Chicago area had... They knew they were part of something big but they didn't know exactly what it was. Some of them did but most of them were just I am going to work for the Department of Defense, and we're battling the Japanese and we're battling their Germans. And we're trying to win this war." We were just doing what was told. So Kermagui had a process where it was enriching uranium, I believe. The byproduct is this dust called thorium which is a

28:26 an element, it's a heavy element. So they would come out as like dust is like dirt so rather than taking the thorium and putting it in barrels and burying underground for you know 1,000 billion years or whatever had to be until was dangerous they found out that plants grow real good this stuff and so they were giving it away to people of West Chicago put their gardens And West Chicago had a really high rate of brain cancer. I actually went out and bought stock in Kerr-McGee, because Kerr-McGee said it didn't have the money to clean up

29:18 The storium that they had given away that they now know was radioactive and dangerous So somebody in West Chicago had the bright idea of buying stock into company so that they could get their earnings reports And they would go and they'd say look here's the money Wow clean it up now, and so they brought this to suit sure enough They Kermagui came in and for about five or six five, maybe even 10 years while I was living there many front yards would have been dug down like 20-30 feet and they were taking all this dirt out of their... putting it on trains and taking it to Utah where they were storing it to get rid of the thorium. So there are things that you can do to make these changes You don't have to live with stuff thats going to give your brain cancer

30:12 You know, Alex Jones he talks a lot about the fluoride in the water but He always filters out the spiritual angle and it's a big thing in the conspiracy community is talking about the pineal gland and the idea that Fluoride is the real purpose of it. The real reason It's than our waters to calcify the pineal And you wrote a little bit about that one of your articles fluoride as a chemical weapon for spiritual warfare But um, you know you kind of when you wrote that you kind of presented it as science fiction but You were a little facetious at the end saying this could never happen in the real world Right, but do you think there is truth to that story? Or is it just something you heard that you think sounds good. Um Yeah Okay I've been a spiritual person all my life. I've I meditate I Try my best to maintain

31:08 contacts in my own way with God and with the spirits, and with spiritual stuff. And I never really understood the physiology of spirituality that there is a physiology that there is reasons why we should eat in certain way And so I think that yeah, after more and more studying. And you call yourself the higher side chat. So there's the, I believe it's called DMT which is an hallucinogen and the human brain produces it. My understanding is through the pineal gland.

32:02 If I'm able to induce a state of deep meditation where I can go and discover another reality, if we're all able to do that. We have a planet full of a billion or two million people then all the sudden a lot of people who are making money selling material things And a lot of just garbage, not to mention all kinds of truths that we might otherwise have philosophical arguments over discovering all these truths. A lot of people in power would no longer be in power and would no longer be able to maintain their control over humanity

33:01 And so it would behoove them to do something like that. So yeah, I don't think that this is done by accident and I actually believe that there are... You know, I listen to David Eich a lot and somewhat what he says about when you go real deep into the rabbit hole and then talks about reptilians and things like Some of these things make a lot of sense if you just start thinking about them. I can't prove any of it,

33:39 I tend to think of that even just in terms of DNA like even if there's just bloodlines that Know and teach their children. Hey, we are different We are part of a you know an alien race came here long time ago And we've been working this this system for a while now and our systems of slavery have just gotten more advanced and now they involve This green paper right? Well everyone does that we do this over here Right, so you don't even have to take it to the aliens if you don't want to right I mean well essentially it's the same thing. It's just You know do is it really important? If they shape-shift into reptiles or not I mean I would hope that they do because that'd be pretty cool to see but at the same time I don't like to argue that point back and forth because there it's irrelevant really But it's all just

34:29 It just makes it harder for the programming to really be broken because people latch onto that and they're just like, oh this is all bullshit. Right and then you're right when you talk about royalty in Bloodlines everybody knows that they are there and its very easy You only have to go back maybe two or three hundred years And you see that they believed that they had the right to rule over you. That was what the American Revolution was all about, so you don't have to go to the alien spot but you can say that in a lot of ways their thinking

35:07 The people, the royalty who are still very rich and influential and powerful. And their thinking is alien to the thinking of the common man who wants to be free and own his own property. I mean, if you ask anybody globally just an average citizen what they want and they're like well, I want enough for me and my friends and family to be comfortable. I want everybody to be happy. I want world peace. You're going to hear that time and time again yet there is no world peace but we are supposed to be electing representatives of what we want

35:45 So, you know clearly that's all you have to go that far. To really draw out the idea that there is a conspiracy underway And I think with the vast majority of common folk do just want to be comfortable Just wanna live... so they're not being greedy But it's this very small minority at the top that rules. Those are the greedy ones, and they're not necessarily greedy for money and wanting to live comfortably. They're greedy for power. And it seems to me that they want to be worshipped. I imagine they get off on having all these servants around

36:34 You know bowing down to them like it's a control thing right and oh, that's what they are as control freaks So yeah And you know they think that that's respect A lot of times. It's just fear or is because your pain me true? You know has nothing to do with respect True respect is earned through love I think True respect is a mutual respect And I don't think that the people at the top have a respect for us. No, that should be clear and you can't trust someone who treats you like that. How could I trust a government that has admitted using its own citizens as guinea pigs for tests on LSD and radiation like you mentioned? Syphilis!

37:27 I even have friends that come out of the military today saying they were given shots with no explanation of what it is or why. That's nuts, it's the same stuff still going on! And these are our soldiers These are the people we're supposed to have utmost respect for These are the people who supposedly go out there and protecting our freedoms and fighting for our way of life Yet they get no respect from the people at the top of the chain Of the food chain I mean they're used as guinea pigs, but also. The whole theme of support the troops is really just a propaganda to support the mission. In mainstream society, you know it's hard to really separate those two and I just think, you know... You should-you should know! I knew at 18 that signing up To go shoot some people I didn't know was a bad idea Like I kind of feel like everyone should know if you didn't know And you put yourself in harms way Just to be A soldier For corrupt leaders? I mean, I don't think that's noble

38:30 No, neither do I. And you're right, I do believe that the support to troop things is a propaganda... You might as well be a hitman in the mafia and we respect them? Right but like I said supposedly these are people who are supposed to get highest amount of respect especially according to the people spreading the propaganda Very true, by their own message there. And it just goes to show and here you can look at the Ron Paul what happened to him in terms of the Republican nomination where I mean the very first things that happened to him during this year is they tried...they lied

39:24 and said he didn't win New Hampshire, he didn't win Iowa when he was winning those things. And if Carl Rove, I believe it was Carl Rove hadn't gotten out there an lied about that then people who don't care or don't follow politics are just there once every four years to vote for the president would have started saying hey you know let's look at what this guy has say and you can't have that they can't People being free. They can't have people saying no, I want to determine my own fate they can't have People going you know what taxes are theft you guys are just extorting me

40:06 If that starts happening in large enough numbers, they're finished. The Federal Reserve's finished. They're all done. Right. Well I mean on the subject of Ron Paul let's talk about Alan Wassler and the open letter that he wrote which you responded to which also got picked up by Alex Jones Yeah that was my first big really huge blog and a lot of people saw that and started complimenting me, and how I was saying the things that they would have liked to have said. So what happened there? What did Alan Wassler write? Well he was really easy to pick apart. He said that the polls were fixed. And I'm like look it's your poll! Right, for those who don't know he works for CNBC right and this is in regards to just one of their post-debate polls

41:01 And so he said, well the Ron Paul people got together and decided to gain the poll. And I'm like going anybody could have done that if any of the other candidates had people out there that felt as strongly about them as the Ron Paul people felt about Ron Paul, anybody could have done that and I pointed that out He said that it was like coming into a room and being shouted down. And I'm going, well yeah! You're coming into the room that's populated by Ron Paul people of course you're going to have it shouted down. It was just... This guy was just so blatantly trying

41:57 Don't know to make Rob Paul be little them fought the following. Yeah, he's very condescending and smug right? Right and you know I pointed all that out And I tried to be actually tried to be nice about it but sometimes when you try to be nice and your sarcastic it just did you know a really lambasted him and I think that a lot of people saw that They thought I did a good job. Like, those are the people we need to restrict. And yes he wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve and end the wars and those things are great but I still think within this political structure supporting Ron Paul is kind of just a way to pacify the movement Well there's... yeah you know there's things about Ron Paul that that i would argue with too

43:08 But he has opened a lot of eyes. And when it comes to corporations, personally I don't think that corporations should be allowed to exist. Corporations are nothing but protection from the government for a company. Right and there's no one to hold accountable? Right and no one is held accountable so it seems to me if you want to do business in this country in the United States of America, you're going to have to assume a certain amount of risk. And that risk should be things like oh I don't know if your drug company and your shot is found to cause Guillain-Barre syndrome and people die from it maybe you should go to jail or if there's that risk

44:06 That that should happen then you should be required to tell anybody taking that shot Hey, there's a chance that you might get Gillian Bure syndrome or that You might die from taking the shot take that into consideration Before you make your decision because I am going to make you sign a piece of paper. That says you're not gonna sue me if your child dies Or if you die I mean, there's also a lot of cases of corporations doing something they know is morally wrong because it's more profitable and then paying the fines which are massive but they pale in comparison to the profits. Which was what happened with the

44:51 The deeper eyes right and also, you know aspirin they got caught sending contaminated blood HIV contaminated blood to Australia in Europe knowing that because there's documents that show they pulled it from the US but they had to dump it somewhere and And if an individual did that, they would not be able to run a company anymore. Right and because it's an LLC the liability is limited. The liability is usually just fiscal. It has nothing to do with whether I mean especially if you can prove intention

45:28 That's right, and those are the people we trust to relieve our headaches. Uh-huh I don't know. I think marijuana especially certain Brands of marijuana probably be better at relieving your headache. Hey, I haven't had a headache all morning there you go great But another thing you wrote about that I wanted to talk about About on the air was this open letter to my alien friends visiting earth. It's basically about the claims of Edgar Mitchell, which you know he's been pretty vocal about the idea that he's pretty sure aliens exist, but I mean as vocal as he could be without maybe drawing too much unwanted attention. But tell us a little bit about Edgar Mitchell and that piece you wrote. Well yeah, I don't know that much about Edgar Mitchell but I just remember that I read that he had come out was talking about just what you said in

46:20 Hey, he's an astronaut. So finally this astronaut is coming out and saying... And I think, I believe Buzz Aldrin also came out and said something but this isn't widely reported in... You know since I was a kid reports of alien sightings of UFOs you know back in 1947 was Roswell And so from that point on, through the 50s. So before I was born there was all kinds of sightings and things being reported in the air and maybe they were military planes? I don't know. I have no idea but there wasn't a hysteria about UFO's

47:06 So, during the 60s when I grew up they were kind of trying to make people who would say that they saw UFO's or aliens or anything look crazy. That is kinda the atmosphere that I grew up in. What you would hear oftentimes is oh if there's UFOs, how come you know people? Responsible people don't you know, you don't hear from them. Well, it's always some dumb redneck right right because responsible People would lose their jobs if they you know talked about a great point There's stories about pilots. They're afraid of losing their jobs the military people

47:52 Oh Lord, what's that radio? That famous radio host who was shot by the cops. Shot in the back. Really? Yeah yeah he used to... The Hour of the Time was the name of his show oh he was in the Navy and and he saw a UFO on the Navy and they brought him in it said no you didn't see that He's like, yeah I did. And I'm like no you don't understand you didn't see it and all of a sudden he said oh Oh, I get it. Yeah Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper was the guy. Oh, yeah Bill Cooper he wrote Beyond the Pale Horse if I'm not right Right A Pale Horse right? I was read about half that book and then I just couldn't take any more coffee but It does have a lot of interesting information in it

48:41 And when somebody of that stature, somebody who was in space comes out and says yeah I believe there are aliens and I believe they visited Earth. Why aren't the newspapers putting that everywhere? It's huge news! So yeah there is a conspiracy the media wants to keep things quiet they don't want you know because they still want you to say UFOs, nobody with any kind of real expertise has ever seen a UFO. And I saw one when I was like 11 years old. Really? What was that like? It was strange! I was walking home from school and there's this little park I used to cut across it on a corner so you make the diagonal cut and shorten your walk

49:35 And I looked up in the sky and there was this disk. It's probably maybe, I don't know 3 or 4 thousand feet but it's hard to say because you don't know the size of the disk so I have no idea how big it was But it was right at about the level where cumulus clouds start to form and all of a sudden I looked up, saw for about three or four seconds and it was gone Wow! That was weird. And then I just, I walked home and kind of forgot about it and never really said much about it but it's always been something that I've seen that you know... It wasn't an airplane! I know what airplanes look like.

50:23 It wasn't a balloon. Balloons don't just vanish like that and it didn't vanish, it you know flew off real fast That's what I mean by vanished. It went so fast that in a second it was out of sight Yeah, that's awesome Well, we're getting close to the end of the hour but before we got there I wanted let you talk a little bit about some other experiences you had when you were kid. Some experiences with Mind Dynamics. What was Mind Dynamics? Mind Dynamics was a meditation group basically it was started by a company called Holiday Magic

51:00 Holiday Magic was a cleaning company and they sold cleaners that were biodegradable stuff like that. And this was back in 1971, and what they wanted was they wanted for their salespeople to use positive thinking to help raise their sales so they would teach you power of positive thinking through it my dynamics which was a meditation which would do things like improve your memory, remote viewing. This kind of stuff One of the other things that we used to do was what we call readings on people and so you would learn to meditate and there's a method to this meditation that I still use to this day

51:55 What you what we had was a group of cards and there would be people's names on the card in somebody that you were working with. You would meditate, somebody that you were working with would look at the card and you would tell them who that person was, their sex was approximate age, and then you would tell them what was wrong with them. And it's surprising. It's amazing how accurate we were when we would do this. And these weren't any parlor tricks or anything, this is just you meditating and concentrating and asking the universe to send you this information. Then you would send them light, white light in effort to try to heal them. That's what got Mind Dynamics in trouble. Mind Dynamics was basically busted for practicing medicine without a license. So they are defunct now

52:54 But through this I learned the practice of meditation, like I said. And I started contacting beings or consciousness on a different level. Consciousness in another dimension and another plane And I would talk to my guides and you know, I'm sure you've done a lot of things on guides and stuff like that. Yeah, I've had people talk to me about them. I just never experienced the guide. I've never sensed a presence. I'm writing right? Well way actually need to kind of work on it but um

53:38 I really have a difficulty doing it anymore. Not as clearly as I was doing back then and what happened is, um... As I got older, as I started to reach puberty, I started to get a sense that there was a consciousness looking for me trying to reach out to me and it started getting me paranoid because nervous, I felt like this wasn't a good presence that was looking for me. And then I started...I was starting to try telekinesis to get things to move and of course I couldn't do that but then one night I fell out of bed. I was woken up the bed was shaken and I fell out of bed looked at the bed The bed was maybe three or four inches off the ground

54:39 And I totally freaked out that the bed kind of slammed to the ground. And I got up and I said, you know what? I'm not doing it anymore. I've cut myself off. Wow! It just stopped meditating and I stopped even trying anymore because it scared me that much I was really, really frightened by the experience. So how did your parents let you get involved with Mind Dynamics? Did they know what was going on? Yeah my mom worked for Holiday Magic and I would go out and sell their products and I'd get quite a bit of business because as a cute little kid here I am knocking at these doors to these young housewives

55:33 Oh, look at the cute little boy. I'm going to buy something from you." You know how it is. Of course! So... oh, the biggest thing that happened to me was this was 1971 and I was 11 years old and up until that point I had asthma very bad. I had go every two weeks for a shot And I had two types of medicine. I had red medicine, which I take every day and yellow medicine which I would take in case of an asthma attack When I was a baby I had an asthma attack that was so bad that I turned blue and they had to rush me into the hospital

56:14 I remember going to the doctor's office and he would give me oxygen. And he'd tell me, I was being launched into outer space while he was giving me oxygen because I had the mask over my face and stuff. So as I progressed through this...and this is a big reason why mom took me. As I progressed through these mind dynamics within a week I told my mom you know what? I'm done having asthma. I'm never gonna have it again Sure enough, I did not have another asthma attack until I was 20 years old and in college. Man! I do think there is something to the power of self-healing. I get the impression that all these things like crystals and making offerings to Jupiter... ...and all these different New Age practices are really just ways to manifest into third dimension reality a way to project that ability

57:08 to just heal ourselves. You know, if you put faith in something and then turn you do really do it yourself. Maybe instead of Jupiter, you should make it out to Zeus I think for the same fair. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's all just like whatever. I mean, I love to hear about it, but, you know, Zeus, Jupiter Jesus and what doesn't mean anything to me really. But hey, you know, I think we've and It's called the black blade trilogy and book one is the colors of alberia Book two is the legacy of the taric's a book three is the power of attack And then I have to horrors one called the weed years and one called the edge of sanity Anyway, give those give those a look see and sure tell us what the overarching theme of the trilogy is of the fantasy truth okay it takes place on a planet called Albarria and

58:18 And it's 750 years ago, they were looking for a source of energy and so they invented this telescope to look into black holes. The black hole was another dimension inside the black hole and it follows the beam back to the planet and infuses the planet with its own kind of magical magical science, I guess that is in that other dimension. So these manifest in different colors and different colors have different powers and then there's the glowing colors that are life and then there's dark colors which are colors of death. And different people control light colors and they're battling with dark

59:13 Nice. That sounds interesting, very cool! Well there you have it people Shander Blussman thanks for being here sir definitely check out shanderblussman.com if you're interested in the books and the articles that he writes any last wise words for the people of The Higher Side Chats? Thank you very much for having me I very much appreciate this interview and it's cool yeah thanks so much for being here all right man have a good day You too Another one in the bag. Thanks for listening people, please go to thehiresidechats.com and click on the slide to nominate us for a couple of award shows going on right now It would mean a lot to me it's validation that I crave and need Also conspirates.net for all your conspiracy clothing needs

59:59 Here's a great song by guy that has just been brought to my attention, Rev Delic. It is called We Will Win and 90 days before the end of 2012 I fucking hope he is right. Keep it clean just like a hospital Those who make a peaceful movement impossible Make a violent revolution inevitable And we know so much that your head explode Cause we're internet years ahead of you folks So you insult yourself and with the butter your jokes Go and drink your fluoride in each GMO Time to rise together Like water in stormy weather There's a warm, Nobody gives an effort We don't mean to endeavor To end your mission for cheddar But you've been killing arellas And we aint having that hell no Caught you every time you fell off but Now were letting go Its the last time you sell us out, now you lost control When I check this microphone All the people start to roll Time to let these fuckers know We wont take this shit no more We will never stop until we take it on

1:01:24 We'll take it all say Take down the war machine People doubt the American dream And I am not up on that team But they make it look insane Like I promoted overseas And I ain't never heard a thing No, I ain't ever heard of things But I've been cursed with this disease Called freedom Congress committing treason Reason protesters on the corner speaking Bleeding leaking truth from Legion Still screaming Don't eat what the media's been feeding They lie to you but who

1:02:00 But who do you believe in? I believe in the people, The ones that fight evil. The peaceful, the ones that stand up for their rights even if it's illegal Shedding blood like true patriots Why you suckers get your slave check to head corporations Why you fuckers dig your grave debt If you don't pay your bank debt You do not exist Welcome to the bank Where ya food for the rich Time to let em know If you're with me pump your fist Show solidarity with all who resist We will never stop until we take it on And we should never stop until we take it on Say, and we should always

1:03:09 Cuz there ain't no other option now, we came too far no opting out It's time to take this monster down The problem is your problem now Don't act like you don't know what it's about You heard the sound of 50 million people crying out I give a fuck about a job When kids are dying for a god And your bank account is fraud There some killers at large and they're Commander in chief of this process when the coffins dispensed We need to take em over These snakes are striking like a cobra Your vote don't mean shit to La Costa No Stravotas Oppose the the opposer And never be the soldier Just remember what I told ya and try to hold composure It aint over till its over but you can try to lock us down Rollover your bulldozer cause You can never knock it out

1:04:03 us down because we love the future. We will all stand our grounds and you ain't got nothing to worry about. We will stop until we take it off, and we should've stopped until we take it off say that we should have been till we take it on