THC 21: Anthony Peake | Consciousness & Reality

00:05 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood and these are The Hireside Chats He blows more minds than the US military and for the next hour I'm just going to try to keep it together. Anthony, sir thank you for being here! Thank you i love that line that's absolutely superb right? I've never been introduced in that way before so... So that's pretty great, thank you

00:48 Thanks man. Well, let's paint a picture for the people How did you get started writing about such subjects and have your theories on reality evolved since you started? Yeah it's an intriguing and interesting story in the sense that I'm a sociologist historical sociologist by background by degree and then I did postgrad at London School of Economics in labour law and industrial relations. So quite a different from the area that I write about but what happened was around about 10, 11 years ago, I was in the fortunate position that I'd done a fairly lucrative contract and I had a little bit of spare cash

01:28 and something had been driving me for around about six months before to write a book. Now I know most people, you know we all have this urge to write a book and i decided well why don't you just do it instead of actually sitting back and thinking about it? Write a book! The problem was that didn't know what on earth if I was going to write about but my wife was willing to allow me some time off from my normal work spend a little bit of time just thinking through what I was gonna write and the very first day that I decided to start writing, I literally was sitting in front of a blank computer screen thinking okay what can i write about then? Are you going to write fiction non-fiction. What are you gonna do and quite a curious thing happened because I started to sense something was about to happen now

02:22 what is known as class right and classical migraine for the people out there that have this experience is it's not the normal type of my brain in the sense that you don't necessarily get a headache but what you do get something called an aura. which is a sensation now with me what happens is my fingers start to go a bit numb and my lips start to tingle and I start to go slightly blind. I get what's called a scotoma in my eyes it's kind of break up of your eyesight so when I'm driving and I get these things, I have to stop the car because I can't drive And I know that its gonna go away after about half-an hour or so but this time round something also very curious took place

03:05 is that i have the overwhelming sensation that i had sat in front of a computer screen looking out to the view of my house then in horsham and west sussex over here in the uk, add it before. Add it was overpowering the sensation was absolutely overpowering but sometime in my past i had done this Now this is an experience I've had many times before but never as powerful as this because it's clearly something that a lot of people recognize, it's deja vu. Sure And when I came out of the aura state I was relieved to find that headache didn't develop but I had my subject

03:47 I thought, I'll write a book about deja vu. So i started looking on the web to find information as you do and I was surprised to discover that there had only been a handful of books written on the subject and nobody had really got grips with exactly what was happening when you have a déjà vu sensation. And quite by chance I came across an academic paper written by a guy called Dr Arthur Funkhauser who is an American guy who lives in Switzerland. His actual PhD is in quantum physics, ironically enough but he actually practices as a Jungian psychotherapist or psychoanalyst over there and Art's paper was an attempted explanation for Déjà vu and Art's explanation was called the dream theory of déjà vu and in this he suggests that

04:41 The reason you have a deja vu sensation is because you have recently had a dream and the dream is of future events, but you forget about it as we do with dreams. We just forget dreams don't you know? You don't remember them most of the time But what he argued was that we subliminally remember them and when we start to experience the event that we dreamed We feel that we're reliving them again. We feel that we've had an experience of this before now I got in contact with art about this and he was wonderful, he responded And i said this intrigues me because what you're suggesting here is something that is completely non-scientific You are suggesting precognition

05:26 because effectively if you have a dream of an event that's about to take place, that is a precognition. And of course modern science just doesn't accept precognitions as being... You know it's just something that doesn't happen the future hasn't happened yet so therefore how can you know about it? So I started off on a loop there about this and I started looking into the theories of Deja Vu as a phenomenon. I came across the concept called the Ephron thesis, which effectively is the explanation you'll find in most neurological books and that is that effectively we have two sections to our brain – the dominant hemisphere and non-dominant hemisphere

06:06 And effectively, the issue there was simply that one part of your brain had processed a piece of visual information before the other. And indeed your non-dominant hemisphere had processed it and when it crossed what's called the corpus callosum to your dominant hemisphere, your dominant hemisphere effectively got the information... gets the information twice. However I have found out comparatively recently that this particular hypothesis which is called The Visual Pathways Theory has been completely blown out of the water by research, by a guy called Dr. Akira O'Connor who is at the Deja Vu Research Unit in University Leeds over here in UK and they found that people who had been born blind and had never seen anything actually have deja senti, they actually have deja sensations of recognition for hearing which is amazing isn't it? So they hear something twice

07:02 Now this apparently blows the whole lephromphysis out of the water because the neurological pathways for hearing are completely different than neurological pathways for human eyes. So, the phenomenon clearly is not explained so what I did was I started reading up about and in quite by chance came across why I'd had the deja vu sensation. And it seems that déjà vu or déjà sensations are linked to migraine, in fact there's an amazing book called Migraine written by Dr Oliver Sacks a British psychiatrist who lives in New York who has written a series of books on unusual mental states

07:46 And in this book on migraine, he points out that one of the aura states that are reported by people who have migraine are profound déjà vu sensations. In the book he describes quite a few precognitive déjà vu experiences that people have so clearly this was linked to my migraine I then found that although my déjà vu sensations are strong, they are not the strongest you can have. And the strongest you can have is when you experience a particular neurological state called temporal lobe epilepsy. Now this is epilepsy that's focused on the temporal lobes of the brain and it is qualitatively different to normal sorts of epilepsy in that people who have temporal lobe epilepsy or experienced this

08:36 have profound altered states of consciousness during their aura states before they have a full seizure. If indeed, they do because many of them just had what's called petty malabsences where they just stir at you for a few seconds and what I found was that these guys fall out of time, time slows down for them, they have the feeling that there is another presence with them, they have sensations or snippets of past lives They feel hyper-religious, they feel that the significance in the things around them. Now I started looking up on temporal lobe epilepsy and i was amazed to discover that in ancient times it was known as the diviner's disease because these people were known to be able to predict the future so I'm thinking to myself okay is there a link here? And I looked into the neurology and I found out there's a particular neurotransmitter in the brain called glutamate

09:32 And glutamate is responsible for migraine, it's responsible for temporal lobe epilepsy or elements of it and its also responsible for schizophrenia. Now I then started to think about this and I thought schizophrenia seems to be an extreme form of temporal lobe epilepsy in the sense that whatever they're perceiving becomes so real that they lose their ability to even appreciate what is reality and what isn't I then found, and this is when things then fell into place because i found that there is another phenomenon that also involves glutamate. And this is near-death experience you know this is the report that people claim that just people if they're about to die or they're in a car crash or they have cardiac arrest or whatever they feel

10:27 that they have these sensations of floating out of the body, they have sensations of going towards a light. They have sensations and meeting being of light and they have a sensation that time slows down now you'll recall many people who report having near-death experiences will claim when I say my life flashed before my eyes and it suddenly started to fall into place because it's considered and I thought this and I thought my life flashed before my eyes. These people have precognitive abilities, a recognition is seeing the future what if you're not seeing the future when you are having a deja vu sensation but your remembering the past? If that makes sense. Yeah I suddenly thought what about a scenario that at the point of death we fall out of time

11:26 Sorry about that. We fall out of time and because people turn around say, you know my life flashed before my eyes but they also say the time slows down. People under great times and stress claim this I know people who've fallen off horses, people who have skydiving mountain climbers they all report this sensation of time slowing down So I pulled it together and thought, imagine a scenario that you're about to die and the glutamate, and it is a known phenomenon. Glutamates in times of stress floods the brain and we know that glutamate slows down your perception of time. Now imagine you're just about to die, you're in a car, you're about to hit a wall say but glutamate flood hits so what does it do? It slows down your perception of time now people claim their life flashed before our eyes

12:16 Imagine a scenario that time is slow down to such an extent, but what is the split second to other people could be a whole lifetime. What if in that lifetime you live your whole life in a matrix like recreation of your life minute by minute in which case rather like Thomas Anderson in the movie The Matrix before he became Neo, he is blissfully unaware of the fact that he's trapped in a matrix and he's actually in some form of VAT. And he's experiencing life through a computer program. He doesn't know but there will be occasions

13:02 when something strange will happen where you'll think I've done this before and i think that's a deja vu sensation. I think a déjà vu sensation or technically déjà vécu already lived is that this is exactly what it says on the tin, its exactly what the sensation feels like that you're remembering something because there are cases where individuals I've now interviewed who have profoundly pre-cognitive deja vu sensations but they know what's going to happen for the next two or three minutes. So clearly it's not just a vague recognition of the future, it's actually knowing what's going to happen and indeed there is a young man who contacted me after my first book came out

13:48 And he has a tumor on his pineal gland in his brain, which is interesting because my next book is going to be on the pineal gland by the way and diametral trigonometry and altered states of consciousness. So I'll be focusing in on that. If we get the chance, iIll talk a little bit about that but the intriguing thing here is that this young man who is now doing his PhD in astrophysics he's a bright lad! He tells me that when he has deja vu sensations he knows what's going to happen for the next two minutes. He's in this complete flux state where he and his mind... When somebody speaking to him he says the words just before they say them

14:28 Chris why don't you tell somebody that you know what they're going to do any set something profoundly interesting instead i call. I said why not think about it if somebody's gonna say something and i say i know when you gotta say they don't say it, play something different in which case i changed the future by my action i actually made the future difference with you was which is intriguing because then i moved on from this in the first book and it's one of the things i talk about in the book in great detail is that i do the neurology of how these memories stored within the brain

15:11 And indeed my latest books develop this and I think the memories are actually pulled up by the brain from something called a zero point field, uh the quantum vacuum. And i think that every record of every event that's ever taken place is in the quantum vacuum again we can come back to that later so the idea is that when you're living your life you're not the only person that's recorded your life now think about this for a second you may have come across something called the Everett's Many Worlds interpretation of particle physics This suggests that literally the universe splits into identical copies of itself millions of times a second, and has been doing since the first moments at The Big Bang. This is one of the only solutions they have for the observation of certain behaviors of certain subatomic particles

16:02 Again, I won't go into details but in my book i go into the details of why the twin slit experiment why schrodinger's cat Why the EPR paradox and many other quite esoteric quantum physics things that are known by quantum physicists But are not generally known by the general public also intriguing But effectively what I'm saying is that there are literally trillions of Greggs and Antonis having this conversation. So, there are literally...there are trillions of Gregg Carlwords each one of them will lay down the record of a life that will be subtly different from another one so in which case

16:45 In time, there will be a record. A database if you will of every single event coming from every single decision that you make through the whole of your life so here you are in this kind of matrix like recreation of your life in the final seconds of your life and you're living it again but this time round there is a part of that knows you're living it again. And I call this the daemon, it's your higher self, it's your spirit guide, it's your guardian angel... It's many many things and if you look through history um this being has been known for centuries Socrates had a daemon! It is quite intriguing how popular this idea is

17:31 Now this daemon knows the future because it's the part of you that remembers the fact that you've lived a life before. I don't know if you or your listeners play RPG games on the computer, first-person shoot-'em ups things like Lara Croft thing Tomb Raider? Yeah yeah okay so okay so you watch you got Lara Croft and she really designed to follow her all the time isn't she something with our physical shape i think And following Laura Croft round through the corridors, you're playing the game for the first time. Laura comes along and she comes around a corner and there's this bloody big monster and it comes over and it kills her!

18:06 What happens is you then reboot the game and you go back to the start of the game, and you have Lara going down the same corridor but this time there's gonna be a monster around the corner. So what you do is either make sure that Lara is prepared for it with her weapon or she goes in another route I think this is what happens in real life! I think that what happens is that your living your life and your daemon remembers The events of your last life where you were injured or you were killed and it will try to warn you, make sure that you don't make the same mistakes made last time round. Now this is why people report time and time again that they hear a voice in their head but warns them not to do something they have an inkling and feeling that something feels wrong

18:54 Some people will say that they get pushed and pulled in certain directions. Now, interestingly enough on Facebook literally today because I did another interview last night and i mentioned this then...I've had three or four people contact me on facebook and post on my facebook wall events that happened to them exactly as I'm describing it now but literally something made them stop doing something that would have ended up in their death Now yeah, that's great. Okay now 30% of people in the world never ever experienced a Jean-lou 70 percent of people do Those thirty percent are living their lives for the first time and they are what I call the lungs This is the lower self So the Laura Croft on screen is an eagle on the Damon is the game player? okay, but the differences in reality

19:48 for want of a better term, is the game player can't move the body of the sprite on the screen. The sprite moves itself it's more analogous to being in a car and the Eidolon is the driver and the Daemon is passenger. The daemon can only warn and advise but he can't change you physically moving your body except under very very curious circumstances for instance sometimes where people have split brain operations and such like So this is how these warnings occur, this is how the daemon is precognitive and this is why and it's fascinating that the older we get incidents of danger

20:28 And the reason for this, if you think about it and apply my hypothesis is perfectly reasonable. Because as you go through life there's going to be more times where your daemon will have an opportunity to effectively save you from an event and effectively turn you off one road or down a corridor that's completely new so the daemon won't remember it either and neither will you so you won't have deja vu sensations because you're living a brand new life Now, this overall concept is very much in the zeitgeist now because if you think about some of the movies that have been out in the last 10 or 15 years that deal with this subject. I'm thinking about Groundhog Day living the same day over and over again because in my hypothesis I argue at the end of The Second Life we do it again and again just like Phil Conners in the movie Groundhog Day does

21:20 In fact, as an interesting aside the writer of Groundhog Day a guy called Danny Rubin who's an academic at Harvard has given copies of my first book to virtually all his friends because he said this guy from the science of groundhog day. in fact I'll be interviewing Danny on my own radio station in January next year when we will be talking about the background to why he wrote Groundhog day the way you did so that's the overall model for the first book is their life after death, the extraordinary science of what happens when you die. So that's how I started to get into writing The second book, The Daemon was an expansion on this idea of duality, this daemon and adolont idea And I go into the neurology...I cite a lot examples from people who read my first book which by the way now has sold around about 37000 copies worldwide and been translated into foreign languages

22:16 Because it resonates with so many people. Yeah, it's awesome. I'd never thought about it that way but it makes sense. So the Damon and the Eidolon book describes all that. My third book is then dealing with the elements of time and time perception and how it is that time can slow down under certain circumstances, and why it does this neurologically. Because one of the philosophies I've always had is that... And its not my original line, the original line was cited by an Italian researcher, Carl Sagan who's famous for using the line Is that extraordinary claims need extraordinary proofs So when people read my books you will find every single thing I reference

23:08 is referenced back to original academic papers. It's referenced back to the source material, there is nothing in my books that I don't invite my readers to go back and check for themselves you know because it's profoundly important You know I'm not somebody who's pretending I'm channeling information from the planet Tharg, I'm not something thats in tune with aliens, I'm not somebody who claims to be a reincarnation of somebody else, I'm just an ordinary guy with an extraordinary idea And this is why the idea has resonated with so many people, because of that. We call the overall concept ITLAD which is just the initials of Is There Life After Death? Then there are thousands of people around the world now who call themselves Itladians which are the people that are interested in applying this model to their lives

23:59 So that's where we are at the moment. There are three books I've written so far, there is a fourth book I have edited on the near-death experience with a pair of Australian consultant psychiatrists which is a book on near death experience for clinicians and how they identify what near death experiences and how they work with it And the book I'm researching now which I think he's going to pull it all together in the most phenomenal way I'm awful that's in my office number book i forgot about the out of body experience how can i forgotten that somebody books are recently and the after the body experience is a scientific and cultural analysis circumstances where people claim. That they physically leave their body around three dimensional space and this book ideal with the experiences lucid dreaming

24:58 which is the most phenomenal thing to experience whereby you are dreaming and suddenly become aware of the fact that you were dreaming. In fact, it's the premise that the movie Inception was based upon. Do you know any good techniques to induce lucid dreaming? I know a few in the sense that I'm in contact with one or two of the world's leading experts on this subject people like Robert Wagoner for example I'm and one of the wanted to techniques about the best movie to watch on this which actually tells you what these techniques is a movie called waking life, i'm wish was some movies by richard link later. Add in the movie you have a character doesn't know whether he's awake or asleep

25:45 I keep asking people to help him and there always talking heads next but you try to describe these things what are the things i've been told is to look at your hands which sounds a strange thing to do in a dream, but if u look at your hands you'll suddenly think yourself why are you looking at your hands and then you think oh because i decided to do so because when i'm dreaming I need to look at them and then you think so am i dreaming now. And suddenly you become so i don't know how to do it by the way, i can't do this but this is what i've been told and he suddenly become aware of the fact your dreamscape in the movie inception the central character has something that's called a totem which is not jacked that u, you take with you into the dream world for instance i don't if you seen the movie have a little spinning top

26:40 And he knows that if the spinning, he spins the top and it goes to the top does not topple. It's holding up its easy dreamscape. This is a similar technique another one apparently is to switch on lights on and off you see a light switch and you switch it off, and of course it won't turn off because you can manifest in this way. And again it makes you become lucid but once you do I deal with this in the book that you are in this world, this illusionary created world that you can fly within, you could interface with people

27:22 all kinds of things, but the fascinating thing is who is the choreographer of that world? A friend a friend of mine who lives in Manchester here in UK Mark. Mark regularly lives in dreams and he goes to same place and wanders around this city scape And he's always said to me when I'm walking along street and turn corner there's a place there that has been created from my mind But I'm in and he said it clearly is a real place. It's not part of my imagination, it's structured, it has an inner logic to it and it's always the same now Robert Waggoner made a wonderful example uh in his book on lucid dreaming um Robert describes once flying over a group of people wearing tall hats

28:17 and he thought it was so amusing, he decided that he'd knock a couple of the hats off. And he goes along as knocks a few of them off and he gets towards this guy wearing a top hat. And as he tries to push the hat off, the guys hands come up and hold the hat on now as Robert says in his book that implied that being knew what I was about to do and tried to stop me doing it In which case as well as Robert has said many times now When you're in these dreamscapes, you encounter other people who are also dreaming. And you can tell sometimes the people who are dreaming because they look slightly confused and you can talk to them and you can bring back their ridiculing information because the person will contact you afterwards and Robert gives an example of this where the person will remember their dream and seeing you in their dream in the same circumstances

29:15 Now if that's the case, we have a really fascinating thing to come to terms with. Because the only reason you and I believe that this universe that we are in at the moment is consistent and real is because both agree about things we see. We go to sleep tonight and wake up tomorrow morning your room is still effectively the same. This is consensual reality And this is why we believe it's real. However, if somebody else can share your dream with you that's consensual as well so therefore that is just as real now there's a guy called Robert um Tom Campbell who's written a series of books called My Big Toe and Tom Campbell worked with a guy called Robert Monroe who was a very very famous person who astral traveled

30:05 And again, Tom in his books mentions many times where he shared lucid dreams with his son and they traveled together and went to places. Which then begs the question is this life a dream? Because you know I said that time can dilate and we all know in dreams time expands. You can have a dream that will take hours but in real world it'll take a couple of seconds Imagine that your whole life is a dream from the moment of your birth to the moment of your death, in which case the world would be consistent and you would go effectively to sleep in your dream world and wake up. And the dream world will still be the same because it wouldn't be so. In other words, the consistency we believe is consistent only because we believe that time exists on that. We all

31:01 But this is the only thing that there is, if that makes sense. Yeah it does. And this... Okay sorry yeah? No go ahead! And this is what then leads me into my next book which because at the end of The Out-of-the-Body Experience book I pull together a hypothesis which I call The Intramatic Model and I believe that what is happening when people astral travel, when people lucid dream, when people distance you What they're actually doing is effectively traveling in inner space. They're actually traveling in alternate realities within themselves, and that's what I'm suggesting here is that the human brain itself has structures in it called microtubules. Microtubules are very very small pieces of protein that make up the structures of neurons of the brain

31:59 These very, very tiny structures give off light. They're bioluminescent they give off photons of light not only that but there are actually... Sorry about this. I see somebody desperately trying to get through to me, that the bio photons are given off by the sides of these particular structures and again without going into the depth of science if you actually take a series of photons from one place to another and pull them together they cause what's called interference pattern.

32:42 Now, interference patterns are the things that if you use coherent light like a laser and you create an interference pattern. You create something called a hologram And we in our brain have literally trillions of these structures all creating mini-holograms now what I argue is is that internally and the external world that your seeing now is infact a hologram created by your mind because if you think about it, you never interface with the real world first time. In other words the photons come from the outside world they hit the back of your eye, the retina and when it goes through the retina is then converted into an electrical impulse that goes through something called a super chasmic just because we something on the inside of the brain then goes to the visual area

33:38 Reality. Now, if you look around the room now and you look at your computer screen and everything else or you look out the window... You have this incredibly ornate rendered version of reality Think about this for a second that is being created by photons landing on the back of your retina in a tiny postage stamp size area that's curved and bent Your brain creates from that everything you perceive It's a magic trick of the highest order and you talk to people who research on what is called consciousness studies, they have no idea how this works. They really don't know how we create all this for instance one of the things that is very intriguing if you close one eye now you still think your seeing everything without a break okay

34:32 But you will know that at the back of your eye, there is a little area where the optic nerve leaves the back of the eye called... and that's the blind spot. So when you close one eye there is an area of blindness but you don't see it And the reason you don't see it is because the brain makes up the information from the pieces of information around the blind spot and fills it in Now I spoke to an optician about this a few years ago and he turned out, this is a professional. And he turned around said no the reason that you don't see the blind spot is that you have two eyes and binocular vision and therefore when you look at things it overlaps. And I turn round him and say so what happens when I close one eye then?

35:20 And he looked at me, stunned. He'd never thought about it! That had never dawned upon him. He just took the received wisdom that so many people do out there... They never sit back and think for a second the wonder of what's happening in their brain So you have this recreated universe and I believe that these microtubules draw this information up from something called the zero point field Now the zero point field Put it in simply, what they found is that if you take atoms and you take them down to a temperature just above absolute zero 272.17 degrees Kelvin

36:13 At that temperature, effectively there should be no real energy because that's the definition of absolute zero. It's where the energy disappears within atoms they just stop because there is no energy okay? They have found that they can reduce things to round about one or two maybe three degrees above absolute zero these objects... There's a particular form of helium I think it's Helium-3 that still remains as if it's got energy in it. It is drawing energy up from somewhere where there should be no energy now this is called the quantum vacuum and people are so interested in this at the moment, there is an organization in Boulder Colorado that has got authority from US government to be trying to find ways of actually drawing up this energy from zero point field

37:09 Now, they believe that the zero point field is a limit unlimited amount of energy there. But this energy is encoded it's digital now It means that effectively it's a super duper hard drive It's a super duper computer program A guy called Irvin Laszlo Professor Irvin Laszlo who honored me by writing the forward to my last book In fact Irvin Laszlo has been nominated for Nobel Peace Prize twice and Irvin wrote the forward, and Irvin has written a book called The Akashic Field. And in this he postulates that the zero point field and zero point energy are the equivalent of the old mystic belief system of calling it Kashyik record. The idea that there is somewhere... That everything that has ever happened or never will happen is recorded Now going back to our computer game analogy

38:11 Is that what is happening with the computer? Isn't that in the world of the sprite on the screen, the avatar on the screen. As far as they are concerned all the information for their world is encoded on the CD-ROM isn't it so everything you make Lara do is encoded on a CD-ROM I think in this reality everything we do is encoded within the zero point field In which case we are in a computer program. In fact there's so much evidence to assume it is more likely that we are existing in the computer program than not, uh...in fact there has been quite a lot of research done on this very idea and there have been papers written on the concept So suddenly the ideas about The Matrix are suddenly not so far fetched

39:01 There's something we are living in a universe that suddenly makes sense and ironically enough, if you want to know a nice little coincidence You know the way the corner of Skype comes up and it tells you who you know that's online Right. Professor Irving Laszlo has just come online on Skype Synchronicities! It's... I call it synchron-dippity. It's not synchronicity but its significant synchronicities that mean something And that's the kind of thing that happens with us Atladians all the time. It just happens We get used to it So here we have an overall model of how dreams work, how reality works, how perception works. But my next book is going to take it to a whole different level because I believe that the substance in the brain that facilitates this communication is an endogenous, that is internally generated dimethyltryptamine

39:55 which is generated by the pineal gland in the brain. I was actually going to ask you, sorry to interrupt you but what is the relationship between this glutamate that you mentioned and DMT? Because I thought it was DMT that released at the time of death or I thought that was the speculation at the time... That's the position put forward by Rick Strassman I got no reason to question that when my initial model when i pull my initial model together and always say people this is a working in progress. This is not the definitive in other words i'm finding discovering things over the last 10 years but i always incorporate into ideas i reject all the things we don't make any sense anymore because it's not like i'm not being doctrineer on this effectively

40:47 It's an ongoing hypothesis. Now, initially glutamate seemed to be the main cause of this and the time slowing down but I'm more coming to the conclusion that it may actually be dimethyltryptamine And i'm doing a considerable amount of research on this. I'm talking to some of the world's leading experts on dimethyltryptamine. There's a whole list of them, of individuals who have either researched it directly or gone down to Latin America and taken ayahuasca, have gone on DMT trips, or have literally calculated the neurological pathways and the neurochemical pathways within the brain. Now, the case is quite strong

41:31 Because although people will argue that they've never actually found dimethyltryptamine in the brain, that's not entirely true. They have found dimethyltryptamine but in a dead brain. Dimetyltryptamine does exist within the body but it is whether its active within the brain because they have found as well, there are a group now of receptor cells in the neurons of the brain called the TARS. The trace amine something receptors and these receptors are designed... They all like keys none other like locks and the design of the lock mirrors the key of dimethyltryptamine

42:13 Because dimethyltryptamine, being a tryptamine has a particular molecular structure. And this molecular structure is very similar to serotonin it's very similar to melatonin because these are all tryptamines so therefore DMT can actually open up neurological pathways in the brain So which case if GMT is generated within the brain The structures are already there for it to be effective It is just a question of us now discovering whether this is actually accurately true and there's strong evidence to say that it is. Now as you know, dimethyltryptamine is effectively one of the most powerful hallucinogenic drugs known to man. It has a cousin 5-MeO-DMT which is even more powerful about six times stronger

43:06 and maybe 5-MeO-DNT is also in the brain. And I know a guy called James Oreck has written a wonderful book called Tryptamine Palace where he discusses this, but on top of this gets stranger because there is also another writer called Jeremy Narby and a few years ago Jeremy Narby wrote a book called The Cosmic Serpent and in The Cosmic Serpent Jeremy Narby who has got a doctorate in anthropology suggests from some of the ayahuasca dreams he had that were consistent, many people see snakes as part of the ayahuasca dream. It's almost standard archetype. The snakes are DNA. Its DNA coils and not only that if you look at the caduceus, you know kind of symbol of medicine where you have snakes going around? Exactly! Okay, you look at the top there is a pineal gland on the top and the snakes go round

44:07 This is symbolic and it's symbolic of the third eye, of the pineal gland but it's also symbolic of DNA. And I believe and a lot of other researchers such as Jeremy Narby such as Graham Hancock are of the impression that DNA itself is intelligent. The reason they believe this is fascinating because one of the major mysteries of ayahuasca is how the natives of the Amazon basin managed to bring together and mix together two very different plants. Banisteriopsis cappii, and something called psychotropia...something or other They're two very different plants And they both have very very different effects For instance, the banisteriop- uh, the psychotropia contains DMT

45:06 Okay, but you can eat as many and drink or mash these leaves together and eat as many and drink Make a liquid out of them drink as many of them if you might and you will never ever have a DMT experience Right the reason being in the stomach is something called the MAO inhibitor. The mono-mono-oxy... I mean oxidase. Something oxidized? Yeah, yeah and as you know that effectively that enzyme stops DMT being effective however the constituents of the Banisteriopsis cappii the vine if you mix them together this is the contents of the vine nullifies the effect of the MAO in the stomach which allows the DMT to then go through the stomach wall into the bloodstream and into the brain

45:58 How was it that these people, by complete and utter chance there are 80 000 species of plants in Amazonia at least. They managed to find the two plants and I was told last night by another person i was doing a radio interview with that these two plants aren't even geographically close together they were asked by researchers as to why they came to this conclusion? They said the plants told them They said the shamans who don't need DMT or ayahuasca to go into altered states of consciousness communicated with the plants and the snakes, and they told them this is what you need to do bring these two things together. This is DNA trying to communicate to one of its creations to actually become more self-aware itself because if DMT's within the brain

46:54 DNA itself wants us to evolve sufficiently to open up the DNA portal and the dimethyltryptamine portal within the pineal gland. Now, the pineal gland itself is a very intriguing structure It is the only structure that's within the brain although technically its just outside of blood-brain barrier complicated as you probably know the two amygdala, the two hippocampi but the pineal gland is not. It's singular and it sits almost in the center of the skull now what is less known is that at the 49th day of gestation the embryo as its developing the pineal gland is actually at the back of the throat

47:43 And it's only after the 49th day that the pineal gland starts to move from the back of the throat, to the center of the brain. As it does so, it leaves a very tiny duct. Now there is something that people experience when they go into very deep trance states It's called as the nectar of sublime awareness and its a nasty taste that people have when they go into altered states of consciousness, whether they're yogis or whatever. It's DMT! What is happening is the DMT is dripping down the back of the throat from the duct from the DMT gland from the pineal gland into the back of the throat now Buddhists believe that um the embryo becomes human

48:38 the embryo on the 49th day of gestation. Now that in itself is a phenomenal coincidence, that's when the pineapple starts to move but it gets weirder if you go onto my website and if you look at one or two videos out there about me on YouTube You will find I'm working with 2 Austrian consultants One's a consultant neurologist another one's a consultant psychologist These two guys have invented a machine called the Lucid Light Device, locally known as Lucia. As medical people they have devised this device using known knowledge of neurology and how the brain functions with different forms of light and stroboscopic lights This machine is powerful I have used it and believe me...and i haven't got time to explain it now but it opened my own third eye! I couldn't believe that these things never happened to me but it did for me

49:37 But what is interesting is, and if we have time I will explain that. What's interesting is that in May of three years ago Dr Procol and Dr Winkler took a Lucia over to Lhasa in Tibet And they were invited over there by members of the Dream Yoga tradition. This is a particular form of yoga that's practiced by people of the Bon Tradition, now the Bon Tradition is the original shamanic belief system of the Tibetan plateau when Buddhism came up from plains of India being very syncretic it actually took on board the shamanic tradition of the bon so the bons still believe a lot of shamanic things as well as normal buddhism these guys

50:27 They dream travel, Dream Yoga is traveling. It's lucid dreaming in effect for want of a better term and that's what they do. They astral travel and they lucid dream These guys spend years being trained these guys sat in front of the Lucid Light device And within 20 minutes were seeing mandalas Were having sensations of moving outside their body Everything that they're training them So clearly it was vindicated with the practitioners of this particular art. But what was odder was a couple days later Engelbert and Dirk were wandering around the palace they were in, and they came across a little room. And they went into the room and inside were glass cases. Inside glass cases where these really strange objects. Because Dirk is a neurologist

51:18 He recognized them. They'd been there for centuries, they were ossified mummified elephants pineal glands these people worship the pineal gland they have known for centuries the power of this particular object in the brain now you then start looking at the symbolism of the pine cone And when you realize that the pineal gland is called the pineal because it resembles a pine cone, and you look at the pine cone symbolism. You find it everywhere there's a huge pine cone in the Vatican. Yeah and on the staff of the pope too but let me ask you a quick question about that yeah um do you think that as far

52:09 the Western cultures concerned, the overwhelming denial of these alternative subjects and even like the banning of the psychedelic experience. Do you think these things are by design? By say manipulation of a shadowy global elite like David Icke would suggest or do you think this is just a natural progression of human thought that we're just not there yet because a lot of these ancient cultures seem to already have this in the bag and then science is now confirming what they've already believed I'm in two minds about this. I mean, I am in contact with David Icke and David Icke actually placed one of my BBC

52:47 film of me in a BBC interview actually on his website and he's keen to contact me and do some collaborative work. I don't go as far as David, I'm not somebody who is into conspiracy theory but it doesn't mean that could be through sheer ignorance because there does seem a kind of symbolism of this thing. For instance, on the back of the one dollar note when you see the all-seeing eye in the center of the pyramid and the way in which the pyramid is detached into two parts this is masonic symbolism now clearly to me secret societies have known about this and I think secret societies have always already also known about my Damon Adelon stuff

53:35 Because I think that has been one of the hidden secrets for centuries. I believe that's what the Holy Grail is, to be honest It's not it's not a bloodline of Christ. It's it's the fact that we are dual beings but that's an aside But you know if you think about it You know for social control What you don't want is people realizing that this reality We live within is not part of the total reality it is a very small part Of a greater reality That you can go inward and discover because of course social control and capitalism would fail because suddenly we're not gonna be consumers of television sets you know i'm sure that some. Dennis mckenna another service for the consumer society,

54:20 need to consume things to keep it entertained but if i'm able to entertain myself i don't need a television i can go actually traveling. Ask me to all these wonderful places and the problem is economies would collapse because of course nobody will be consuming anything somebody has to prepare for you that we're going to keep this guy So I don't really know. I would like to believe that it's more by happenstance than actually specifically wanting to keep people down and the reason i say this is, I'm being allowed to get away with talking about this you know and many friends of mine who are into conspiracies have said you have been noticed, you will be noticed and you will be taken out soon because your getting very very close to the truth

55:05 Now what is intriguing and I have to say this is that I have a concept called the archons which is going back to Gnostic belief systems, but you know there are beings out there that are out to stop you doing things because it's bizarre many of my radio programs that I've been doing particularly in the last week Some of them have failed to function because Skype has gone down or there's been these incredibly weird and wonderful things that have stopped it happening. Now I think that's chance, but associates of mine are saying its not a chance they're now spotting you and they're trying actually stop you talking about things so I don't know but I would say well why do they allow me to talk about why did they allow David Icke to talk about things? Right You know Why did they like will allow Wilcox to talk about the thing he does? Clearly

55:51 If they are, they're playing a very very deep game. You know? I agree. Well, that's another thing like a lot of alternative researchers refer to that twin slit particle wave experiment and they consider it evidence that we can alter and create our own experience manifesting at will whatever you want which i personally have a hard time with and its just seems too good to be true You know like he talked about the astral projection there is no reason to watch television if you could just do that But, obviously it can't be that easy. But as far as the manifest in your own reality from what I've heard you seem to stop short of saying

56:32 that you can do it easily you can't i don't think you can but i suspect there are people who can do it and they keep secret i believe there are probably people who are more advanced than we are in these things, i have been trained to do it. I'm a little one to the best of time and i think these people probably people who have lived their lives over and over and over again, till they've actually lived the perfect life. They're allowed to move on to analogously the next day with Groundhog Day you know at the end of Groundhog Day he lives a perfect life and something allows him to move on And I think that certain people if you look into Buddhism and various other religions like that they will argue that you can be reincarnated and reincarnate until become an avatar and then you can choose to either move on or come back and help your fellow human beings

57:22 things. Now maybe there are guys out there that can do that, but coming back to your very very interesting point about the twin slit experiments and the nature of reality and reality being brought into existence by the act of observation you know I've always found when i've dealt with particle physicists particularly materials reductionist ones what you need to do to get them actually spitting into their beer and panicking like mad is turn around and say the observer effect Because they can argue till the cows come home, but a wave is a wave until it is measured and becomes a point particle. You know that's a known fact you know they can't get away from that and it seems to be integrally tied up with active observation

58:04 Now this means in effect that if it's something is not being observed, it's technically in a state of superposition where it hasn't decided where to be located. In other words, it has the option to be at some atomic particle can be anywhere but effectively when its observed it has to make a decision to be in a point place somewhere and it can be anywhere because recently they found something called the quantum Zeno Effect and effectively subatomic particles if you continue to look at them they don't collapse even though they should. You know, and again I say to people don't believe me on this just look up the quantum zeno effect it's one of the most amazing things you will ever hear but it's never backed around on the newspapers

58:48 It's never talked about on the BBC or on the national radio or television for a very good reason. Because they want people to believe in science as it was 110 years ago, they want us to believe in Newtonian science which is a very effective way of describing the reality we live now, the reality of large things but for subatomic particles it doesn't work and these are the things that make up the universe around us And it's 99.999% empty space and most of it is missing, you know 94 percent of it is dark matter what's all that about? Yeah right crazy stuff yeah I mean I find the more I get into this the more information I feel like a huge crossword puzzle

59:39 And the pieces are just falling in. I mean, when I experienced the events that took place for me in Switzerland three years ago when I encountered the lucid light device, and still cannot believe what happened to me...I saw the astral plane! I have never had any kind of experience like that The lucid light device encoded into my brain. I believe it then released dimethyltryptamine in my pineal gland and i had an experience that i was somewhere else looking down on a planet with a checkerboard pattern, I got so terrified I asked them to switch the device off

1:00:22 I really got so scared. Have you tried it again since? No, i haven't but ironically enough if anybody any of your listeners out there are likely to be in London the last weekend of June and the last few days of June we have a lucid light device that's coming over from Austria that will be with us for four days at the Mind Body and Spirit exhibition in London's Earls Court and people will be allowed to use this machine for free I know the sunday i'll be doing a presentation on my link into to these guys work because it is powerful stuff but the other thing i found was that after i use the device within twenty minutes there was a vibration in central ford which i could not explain and continue

1:01:09 all through the night and it was like a small little creature was moving underneath the center of my forehead where indian women were that little dot. Right there and since then it reoccurs occasionally what is even weirder is since then something else has manifested in my life but I don't understand i keep hearing more code signals and they seem to be located in certain parts of the world. For instance, in my original home on Merseyside near Liverpool I heard them regularly used to wake me up. I'm hearing you know harp H-A-J-R-P? Yeah it's that. I'm picking up harp

1:01:50 What's your impression of HAARP? There are a lot of theories about what it is for, weather manipulation or affecting consciousness. Well all I can say is that... ...I'm pretty damn sure I hear it and we tested this out now again if anybody's interested on this Again If you go onto YouTube look up Anthony Peake & BBC You will get me live, me being recorded on the radio station with a film crew with me And I am talking about HAARP This is what David Icke picked up and put on the front of his website because I described there in detail exactly what i'm hearing. Now we found that there's a Hoth facility on the island of Anglesey which is about 20, 30 or 40 miles away from where I used to live. I've just come back from Mauritius in in the South Indian Ocean...I heard nothing not a thing

1:02:40 Where I live now, very occasionally one night in a month i'll hear it. Up on Merseyside I was hearing every night and it started at the same time around about four o'clock and finished at twenty past four. Now people have said its tinnitus...I get tinnitus..i know what tinnitus sounds like It sounds like Morse code but is not but it sounds like it Is this because my third eye has been opened? receiving signals that i could only perceive other people said i'm being targeted nice stupid why the hell would they be doing that so don't believe that for one minute so there's an awful lot to this and all i say to people out there is getting involved with my work on facebook does ww dot ncp dot com i also have an international forum which is cheating the ferryman dot com

1:03:34 All these links can be met but link up with me on Facebook. Join in, we have people from around the world that are taking these ideas to the most amazing places, thousands of people. This is a real groundswell movement and it's building up and it's building off. This is the fifth interview I've done in four days. both to America and to the UK, this really is picking up. Picking up massively and it has a truth to it. Sure! It's fascinating stuff do you think this in any way ties into 2012 with the awakening that, you know, the New Age movement supposedly says is taking place and ties into the collapse of the global economic system which is kind of coincidental. I'm not a great believer in 2012 and I think an awful lot people who are pointing out 21st or 12th

1:04:31 12 is going to be some kind of significant date. I think it's very dangerous to be making such predictions because it's going to be profoundly embarrassing when nothing happens. When, when I was at university, I studied millenarian religious movements and the whole point of millenarian religious movements is they predict the end of the world. The one thing that has been consistent or a great change...the one thing that's been consistent with all those movements is they've all been wrong and I think there's going to be an awful lot of embarrassed people when it doesn't happen. Of course if it does happen, I'm going to be proven wrong now um...I really don't know about this clearly there is something happening and I think that there was a opening

1:05:15 of awareness in people. I'm perceiving it when i do my lectures, more and more people are becoming interested in this and I think humanity is splitting into two groups that's the groups that really want to carry us forward in a more dynamic dare I say more spiritual way and blinging together spiritual beliefs and science in an amalgamation that can take us forward tying themselves in knots trying to explain a universe that cannot be explained by basic Newtonian physics and you know they're the ones that are desperately out of place. They are the ones that are making the mistakes that scientists made 110 years ago before Einstein came along and before Max Planck came up with his theory over the quantum energy

1:06:11 They thought they knew everything, but they didn't. They had problems. They had issues with black body radiation. They have problems with the photoelectric effect these things did not fit in. They were black swans that didn't fit in we have black swans now superposition the observer effect. The binding problem in the brain the hard problem that David Chalmers says is to how inanimate Neurochemicals can bring about you and I with inner lives and memories, you know? I'm not a collection of neurochemicals and electrical impulses that happen to think. I'm Anthony pig You know, I'm not I'm more of an agreement with Taiha Deshardan than I am actually spiritual being having physical life sure right

1:07:00 Crazy stuff, man. That pretty much brings us to the top of the hour so I mean my brain is pretty much out of juice for today. I fry everybody's brains believe me! Well thanks so much. I'm super grateful. One more time where should people go get your books and keep up with your work? Right okay you can get my books in most bookshops across the United States and Canada if a bookshop hasn't already got them in then you can order them from the book shops or on Amazon UK USA, Amazon Canada. You can also if you wish go on to my website www.antonypeake.com and look at the books for sale if you want me to send you personal signed copies and I charge the same as the bookshop price not amazon price but book shop price and just post-unpacking that by ordering a bookstore where you really do help make keep going

1:07:53 So if you want to order books, that's fine and I'll send copies out to you. But you can get them anywhere. You can also get them on Kindle in fact my new book is already charting on Amazon UK it got number one in the parapsychology section on kindled two days ago and only came out three days ago so just join in read the books give me your opinions if you think its load of rubbish tell me because thats what its all about I'm not a guru, i'm just an ordinary man. Dominance! Well thanks Pip and keep exploring the infinite abyss come back anytime there's so much more to talk about Anytime you want me back i'm more than happy to. I can go for hours there is so much into this Sure well thanks so much have a good day Okay Greg bye