THC 11: Michael Tsarion | Symbolism and Control

00:05 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Folks, this is a very special THC. I along with Dave had the chance to interview Michael Tesarion who's definitely one of my favorite members of the so-called conspiracy community He's an author and lecturer with works such as

00:45 Origins and Oracles, The Irish Origins of Civilization Atlantis Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation and the Terrascope Series. He's an expert on occult knowledge history numerology astrology in the control hierarchy that a lot of us are being influenced by on a daily basis you can go to MichaelTessarion.com That's Michael T S A R to learn more and check out his works on various websites. I personally find Architects of Control to be an extremely eye-opening DVD along with this 9 hour lecture series, Age of Manipulation. Check those out if you have any interest in waking up the bullshit in your life! Now let's get to it... Michael Tesorio

01:31 Alright, I'm honored to have you here. You're one of my favorite alternative researchers for lack of a better term i guess and uh... I'll of course provide a preface and introduction for you when this episode goes online but I'd rather just skip the formalities and jump into some other questions because I already know the material is very diverse involved you know we're just gonna scratch the surface so i mean is that alright with you let's go yeah it's great uh... sure among other problem well me you know a lot of your work is on symbolism in the meaning behind certain events i want to hear your perspective on two of the biggest events recently being the royal wedding and the apparent death of bin laden and not ask if you see any significance in them symbolic

02:19 Yeah, there's not just that but there are a lot of other things going on. I mean one has to say before you even start speaking in a conspiratorial angle just from almost layman point of view these kinds of fiascos are there just again either edify people keep them distracted or to traumatize them so we have sort of good cop bad cop hot coal situation going in which they know now that they've reduced human race to absolute Lost come the nominator of intellect that then you're just on this sort of a slave rc level in which everything that come every every. Good good portion of people's reality so to speak is a hyper reality, i found the reality of pseudo reality and justin the same way young kids would play with soldiers you know when we grow up playing games

03:19 Once you've been reduced to the infantile level your still in that fantasy realm even if you maybe forty years of age or whatever it might be so. You know royal weddings wars no dramas is all just big theater, the world is just a theater and what should have your guys with black caps on the guy's white caps you know this whole is it So much of our world anyway today so much of what we see isn't perceived in reality is perceived through some digital medium. Obviously, what I mean there is the television and cinema and the news and all the rest of it. A lot of these things are just played out on one basic level as just simply bread and circuses for the masses that's on the most basic level then when you're hinting at though is more subtle

04:09 levels where there may be some ritualistic elements that are much more esoteric and much more deep. And of course, I do track that it's a full-time job and no doubt about it that any time that the equinox spring equinox comes up you're going to have major rituals There's no surprise that this last attack on Libya was again at the Feast of Purim in March That it was time for the crossing over point The spring equinox and the date that usually describes the spring equinox is March 22nd, which is 322. Which is the famous large number of the skull and bone society so that's just one reason. The most important one is the actual physical rising of the sun over the equinox as an enormously important time it's also why in America you guys are from the states you know the tax time around that period why would tax time what our taxes

05:05 You know that's the slave producing his wages. Why is it handed over at that time? That's because the stars of Libra Or in the sky at that time and the sign of libra is related to the scales which it tax people used to come around a door to door on the old days even right up to medieval time. Their logo or their emblem over there doors and also they would physically carry one around was a big scale large scales you leave in your but this in the bible with matthew the tax collector And the symbol of the tax collectors from that time immemorial has been this large scales you know when he used to balance rice and beans and gold in all out. I just turned up at the stars of the scales as libra is in the sky very promptly around about this time of year, not one of the reasons why the tax collector so speak you know iraq's or come on to do that so there's a welter of symbolism if they're using both in their corporate logos and no timing of things

06:03 and you're speaking now about two very specific events, that yeah I even heard that the so-called assassination of Adolf Hitler is almost on the same day as the birth of Adolf Hitler. It's very close to the time of the world Illuminati celebration day May 15th And then most importantly there are a couple other important astrological things one needs to know about this time and that's why the royal wedding has been timed now One small anecdote about the Royals is that the Queen of England whose birthday is actually in May always traditionally has celebrated it in the sign of Gemini. So she's a Taurus, but she celebrates her birthday in Gemini You'll find this kind of displacement quite a lot there was a Prince Charles did it also But I can't remember the incident and which he did it were a certain festival or celebration This was close to the time of Lady Spencer's killing some sort of celebration was marked for

07:02 October but it didn't actually happen until later than that and sometimes they do this because again there. They're very conscious of lunar time inside your old time, but the two events I was gonna speak about that happened in may is one is that the Milky Way begins their installer astrology the milky way begins between. The signs of a torus and gemini and run all the way across the zodiac to such a terrorist and scorpio just like a sort of a large bridge or a river and in fact, in ancient days the Milky Way was referred to as the River Styx. As the river of the Pharaoh or the sacred river and therefore that is running very close to this period right now And a lot of the world's traditions including Maya, Aztec Egyptian Celtic you name it have been precisely arranged for this particular time Very important celebrations I might add

07:56 And then, for instance this particular what they call colure or cusp as it's now referred to between the signs of Gemini and Taurus is important because that's where we get the word minotaur. In the whole Grecian myth of the hero going into the underworld to face this so-called Minotaur it's actually a play on words. Minai being Gemini right? The end of Gemini and taur being the beginning of the word Taurus So minotaur facing the minotaur This is mythical legends fairy tales folk tales are created as veneer for astro theological stories traditions that are only known to the initiate the people who create the movies. No this they're still doing the same thing i have to movie companies of the world have the stellar symbolism on their graphics at the very beginning we be a try star disney i don't care what they're all aware of stuff you see so that's another important portal point and that happens in torres,

08:58 And so a lot of these things will be coordinated for this. But then the third and I think the most important thing to realize about rituals that happen in May is that just as I said, during tax time the stars of Libra are prominent well in the period of Taurus and Gemini where we are now it's the stars all 13th sign of the zodiac Ophiuchus It's actually on the other side of the zodiac but at night its constellations are in the sky. So right now why things are very important is because that 13th sign under which so much ritual is done from this point of view, if you're talking about the secret brotherhood the Black Lodge, the Illuminati therefore they're going to always target very important relationships a very important ceremonies at this time because of the presence on the sky of Ophiuchus the thirteenth sign and that's an entire study in itself so that's one thing to be looking into

09:55 is the presence of the 13th sign that's happening right now. Are we just carrying on an old tradition with these things or is there an astrological draw, or this just part of a control scheme? It's more... it's a mischief all and they do this in exactly same way as you would look at a wristwatch. Is that automatic? Is that unconscious in some sense? Of course the planning is conscious and what have you but what I'm talking about is the ideology, the idea that you should use the cosmological symbolism to protect you too work with me no i've gone blue in the face talking about my members of time knows that they all know who are, numbers of that system using even most basic numerology for their day-to-day business affairs and so on. And people get back to me saying you know they see incredible there actually comes from speechless with the amount of a empowerment that they get from that kind of system well thats just

10:49 That's just a module we've created that's very simplistic, but brilliant system. Think about if you had centuries of knowledge that you could draw upon that your advisors high-grade astronomers and astrologers people who knew so much intimate details about symbolism, numerology, divination and so on And alchemy and what have you so obviously when they have this great power they want to use it there they are very clever in that sense and that's why they maintain the power that they had because really, not able to maintain in other ways if we look at history will see that they've had great setbacks as well. Not only how great inviting these royals in these dynasties but times of change

11:35 like if you examine what happened in the aftermath of the first and second world war, the rise of the labor parties, the rise of uh... the common man to be educated and so on. They've had major setbacks they've had to make a lot of concessions And they've had to scale back their overt power. What I'm saying is that the way that they used to maintain power by way of the whip, and buy some barons sitting on his in his mansion with you know an army of slaves i mean those days are over you know what i mean? They couldn't maintain that anymore so then the scale that back somewhat but these are very cunning people who know that ultimately even though we may have to scale back Or you may have to downsize or whatever. Doesn't mean you necessarily have to go out of business, You just become more cunning at it and more structured at it And we know this is an absolute fact because we see the same thing happening in the Balkans now after that fall of communism

12:26 Exactly what i'm saying to place where you have in the balkans after the communists, you had many of the aristocratic oligarchical families of old days and all the old austro hungarian empire no these. People who've been living in london since the rise of communism their daughters and sons very aristocratic people have gone back to Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria to set up shop. Even some of them have moved back into ancestral homes that's the palaces that are still there albeit dilapidated and what is the very first thing that happens? Is it all the local yokels who used to be slaves their fathers used to be slaves under these oligarchs are now laying out red carpets

13:07 and tipping their caps to these Slavic oligarchs, just so glad to have them back now that the rotten communists have disappeared. Welcome your highness! And we'll be glad to bend our backs and pick your potatoes and do your grapes for you and create your vineyards like nothing has ever happened they're actually begging for oligarchy to come back So let's not forget that that's exactly the same paradigm as in the West If these Western oligarchs, pompous bastards that they are if they could get away with an army of Irish laborers and slave labor they'd still be doing it. Take my word for it! It's just that they weren't able to get that so they have to then use other means to secure their power And one of those is the use of this incredible archive of symbolism To befuddle, to mind control, to create situations in which people start auto-hypnotizing themselves

13:59 astrology is a part of it, of course. And that's why you will have the flag-waving yokel Joe Smoes coming out waving their flags still to this day or even worse donning uniforms to go out and be murdered and to murder in the name of these oligarchs or the institutions that these oligarchy control My work exposes what these institutions are people can go to my forum they can contact me to find out The network of royal orgs You know i have a my form a page there called empire of death people only need to go that and start reading that meticulously study the links up there and they will find just how fast this oligarchal network is even though it may be.

14:43 somewhat in the background hiding behind charities institutions like medical and educational and philanthropic, the same story you have in america with the council on foreign relations the trilateral commission of the rand institute brookings institute all these orgs are royal there their options of the royal institute of international affairs in the mount peregrine society and so on and so forth. or the club of the isles and all these alpha lodges a free masonry. And they've been slowly moving into the American milieu, they carry the symbolism that's almost identical to that which is used by the oligarchs in England and they did that through your American Constitution and through the founding fathers who are nothing less than British agents for the most part. Most of the founding father were Freemasons correct? Yeah Almost all of them! People have to realize when they say that

15:35 They've got to understand that saying Freemason doesn't really tell you that much. Some of these people were not only Freemasons but very high degree Freemasons, that's the point! They were not just your common... like your dad or my dad going down to The Lodge and all that kind of thing having a few drinks and all that. Oh yes it is totally different world so I always have to add that point. Number one I'm not indicting normal Freemasons in any sense nor am indicating that these people are of your normal traditional freemasonic type at the local you know pub owner or the local in governor even to that extent uh... in a piece chief for whatever it's far far higher than that these people come from dynastic families livingstone menzies oh my god you know the list goes on all these families the sinclairs and uh... the kellogg's and all and uh... you-know-what our political there so many families the bloodline family is really i'm pretty

16:30 I'm pretty vested in your work and i had Dave watch Architects of Control just recently, and we also watched a little bit of Age Manipulation which is I believe it's nine hour series. Something like that. Yes, it's great but Considering that this information is kind of new to a large part of my audience Can you sort of broadly talk to us about the history of the control and some of the major lies? we've been told including our origins and I also was always curious as like what was what is really the point outside of I guess control to hide that information from us because You could tell us a real history in some ways

17:09 and really just with an economic model still enslave us. Well, slavery is a... what you are talking about is slavery but slavery is ultimately a model that doesn't work unless you have hierarchy So when you start studying one thing like say slavery all look at your just my nine to five job i'm locked in there or hit my boss are looking who am in this university of tried my best but always guys above me. You know whatever way the little man starts already start asking questions that lead one thing to another it's like a voice described as pulling a little thread and the red thread becomes a string the string comes around the road becomes a chain, next thing you know we got a big whale in your living room so these things one leads to the other

17:49 And then you start studying slavery or debt slavery, or what have you. Then you start moving up to say who are these corporations and then go beyond and start finding out about these secret societies that are all over the world and the chivalric orders and their antiquity. Then somebody like me would say oh wait a minute as you said from the beginning symbolism tells you it's kind of crazy because there is a lot of Egyptian symbolism inside of Judea, what appears to be Jewish symbolism How do i is that one how does that work and one thing keeps leading to the other then you start finding it goes deeper and deeper all the way back through babylon in the monetary system back to rome symbolism all of this goes away back to egypt you start tracking all of this.

18:31 And the moment that you're getting wiser and wiser, and the moment of getting smarter and smarter on this or let's just use the symbol is a lot of the mountain you're getting higher and higher. There's a dark side i'm not as you can further and further away from the people that you grew up with intellectually right so just as your about to turn on ago hey guys here i can give me a handle on what's going down here and then this can be even quite small way, nobody wants to hear. So then that apathy starts taking you yet in another direction and what I mean by that of course is then you're into the study of psychology because now you have to say that there's a relationship between the slave and the master it's not just a straight situation of control we tried...I'm speaking like this because you jogged my memory about the Architects of Control DVD where we went into this more than

19:29 at other times, in which we start to try and point out that this is a slave-master relationship. And that can't be understood at all until you understand what it is in the mind of the slave that wants to have the master, wants to obey authority. You know this takes into then a lot of... What to me is more fascinating information because as you well know most of the people in the conspiracy folk or the people who are into revisionism will put the focus mostly on that overt control As and then playing by that but the slave actually would love to be free i've never believed this, actually believe it's a relationship just in the same way that you can hear them set me listen all those people like that to be glad to tell us. That man has been a slave and he is almost a is an instrument in his own enslavement what happened on through the centuries as if the slave has just exchanged change of iron for change the gold metaphorically speaking if you can have a better bit less

20:30 Punitive treatment he'll be okay with that it doesn't really want to leave the walls of the prison. So a person like me is standing there saying but the gates can be opened wide open and you can only, add their all set now gone no you leave we don't want were happier so then what happens is this road then take into study of psychology and the dynamics of consciousness in one hand view. And then you start putting your finger on the very Nexus of it the very nub of this whole problem that you then see played out in this and society are played out in politics where is that its a relationship between the slave and master. And you understand them the brilliance off the controller, the big brother so to speak as that term has been used because they're aware of this as you start getting really clever with us because you realize that the slave doesn't want to really be free and if he gives up one set of change just buys into another one

21:27 Then you start to understand that it's the slave master who is understood this this is part of your call knowledge that they use so. One angle of this could take you into studying ancient history as a historian but another direction can take you into studying philosophy or say even psychology and keep it contemporary keep it no contemporary what's happening now Yeah, obviously you need to do both as much as possible but for me the more intriguing aspect is the psychology because then your kind of understanding your seeing through their eyes. You're seeing through the eyes of a master if the master can create a situation in which his slave is auto hypnotized my god and the game is up because that this latest doing it on hypnotizing he's completely on remote control as we spoke about in the dvd and when are going to move onto talk about remedies to these problems

22:18 My person like myself who's made a study of this is no longer really convinced that political change is really gonna work we don't rule it out but we're certainly not as optimistic about that kind of change we understand now the change has to take on an individual. Psychological level that's where the guardian not is a set of this master slave relationship stuff can be found even on a day to day basis in the place of work even in the home, certainly in the relationship with parents two children and teachers and society to the young and all the rest of it and then ultimately internally. The relationship we have with our own selves internally so. What i mean by that is it see a strange quirk of human nature the sooner you're born you have to enemies or speak to adversaries what does the other world all of its up in a quandary and tribulations and stimuli you at that, defend against that you got to negotiate all about all the ups and downs on

23:13 And shenanigans of the external world in order to stay sane and to be able to function. But we're also as human beings have this internal world, what apparently is the subjective world? To deal with you know our own complexes or own syndromes so human being stand on a sort of twilight zone between an external um... World that's threatening and impenetrable so to speak and you have this internal world And the masters at the top of the ladder no all about this and one of them methodology that they use to keep people in a state of total love lockdown is this trauma, add the constant fear and the constant anxiety knowing full well if you create a lot of external. I have tribulation or whatever kind it may be hidden more obvious not will have psychological consequence in which the person themselves is just literally

24:05 drowning you know in anxiety and it's through the sphere equals anxiety dynamic that the greatest. control operates really. When you mention the trauma, it makes me think about I've seen in your work and other work as well from Jordan Maxwell or David Icke a lot of this is ancient trauma that comes from the origins of our species which is interesting that all biblical to all ancient texts talk about gods coming from the sky To me, I can completely see that being extraterrestrials and not gods. There's in translation that would be hard to differentiate between the two. It is! Also it's interesting though we're the only being i know of that has 2 chromosomes fused into one slot and I don't see that anywhere in nature Exactly there are so many bizarreties about a human being. I've written about these in The Atlantis book going into great detail on this

25:05 And again i would say that even if you just start from a non conspiratorial point of view which means if you can't buy into the idea of alien invasion or whatever. Just the very fact of earth changes just the very fact of cataclysm in a physical sense there are many offers written about this on the faintest idea but conspiracy and yet they still conclude, did the mind was traumatized one of those people is julian james I'm the great scientist so he's not the only one so this people from within the traditional world who have accepted that. Psychologically man suffered a major trauma there's actually a whole school of these people i refer to them in my dvd and book names are right there for people follow up, who is actually concluded that man is a traumatized being they all have sort different takes on what caused the trauma but they somewhat

25:51 Agree that some sort of earth changes whether it was desertification lack of rain or it might have been volcanoes Or it might have been you know the biblical flood some of them even do believe in that that through the work of a manual velikovsky and others and Commons Beaumont and another's they do recognize that. The world was, you know rent by enormous disaster So even if you don't buy into an extraterrestrial presence It still is factual enough to say that the earth itself through play, through famine, through cataclysm. Title waves and tsunamis and even a pole shift all of this is not coming to light in very recent times. That alone will convince open-minded person that something enormous took place to the psyche of man. In my opinion there's no doubt about it can't be any doubt about it but it is good to see that now David for one has been talking about that

26:42 His latest work is looking into the cataclysm somewhat and that's great because I insist that it needs to be studied. You know, it's the center of my work and it's very important to understand that particular original biological physiological and both psychological trauma aided and abetted The masters later on they know about it They know that the psyche is fragmented they probably know a great deal about it And they have said well listen That happened fortunately so all we gotta do is sort of maintain a constant culture of trauma in order to bring in whatever agenda they're doing the bringing on the back of that. Awards are found as a poverty of tremendous social injustice and then psychological versions of disorders that are rampant all over the world, if you mind is already schizoid and it's very origin before we have us today's consciousness this gets ordinance origin um

27:39 Then it's very simple to create yet further forms of you know schizo schizophrenia in. Human beings and since human beings through their life force through the energy create the societies that go on to then create the social sociological setting, obviously those societies will then be sketchy genic and then it becomes a feedback loop this gets a genetic society is great get further children who are polarized Fragmented narrow spiritless whatever you wanna call it and then they go on to create yet more so that's why we're heading towards post human world that's a long time in the making, doesn't happen just through one threat. It's very deeply disturbed people to the point where now there even wanting to shut down emotion people are not anyway tuned to their own emotions for goodness sake you know i'm not that brings up a huge big farm a lot of fun

28:32 Take care of that again because what man will do and what man has been traditionally doing and. One thing we must insist is that you can see more of this as we come down to two thousand twelve beyond when i'm gonna say now it's gonna be increasing as the years go by, but it has been happening in the past all done through the ages is at one human being has that inner anxiety was talking about where they have to confront older inner syndromes and complexes one of the methodologies of the ego uses too Offset responsibility or to just escape that inner trauma is the projected upwards. Is this simply say that the reason for all their disorderly feelings of this feeling of anxiety or stress or whatever it might be externally,

29:15 Is because of this and that the other is because of the economy is because all the wars it's because of you know relationships or whatever man will always find ways to project his inner angst on to the external world place the blame there, step back and then again want some authority figure to come in and leave them a guide the more fix it so we have this problem as well. What's called the transference displacement for the sublimation people not taking personal responsibility for their consciousness order lives and then happily in some sense of the word projecting upwards. And then either going to some high priest in the sense of even religion or the high priest of psychology or psychiatry well that's another master slave relationship this is the dynamic that happens when people have lost so much of their own power everyone looking for an expert

30:02 Yes and that's alright to a degree naturally there are experts who are smarter than us and it's good to find out what they have to say but not to the extent where you've given up completely the reins of your own thinking, your own biology and even to certain extent your bioenergetics. Your own bioenergetic energy is no longer under your control somebody else rules almost every aspect of your life in the same way that dominating parent controls every single aspect of the childs life to the extent with a child becomes neurotic because if a parent Let's just use this metaphor of the parents. The child is already put into a state of neurosis because it's scared that if it does a bad deed, it will lose the love of its parents. I mean this is just psychology 101 right? So child fears oh yeah don't want to do bad things because the parent will get angry or the parent will get cold or the parent might reprimand me and the parent might even in most extreme case lose love and I'll lose that security and I'll lose that love

31:02 parent right the authority figure so that's what causes the child to then do good sort of speak and many psychologists have argued is the child really doing good out of its own true actual moral you know nature or is it because it knows it's gonna get punished but that's a separate thing we don't need to go into all we need to look at as there is this feeling. And then, The Child's acts of badness What would constitute one of those acts of badness? Rebellion Outright aggression If the child is already worried about a mere infraction bringing that this approval of the parent the child is fully aware that it acts completely aggressively. Or stand up against the parents for even the parents misdemeanors it will suffer an incredible wave over retaliation right so what then happens in the child's mind and next level of oppression is all the aggressive instincts,

31:52 And see what my message is that these aggressive instincts are not all necessarily bad when something rotten is happening to you should act aggressively you should not be alright with it. But very early on his children we learned that any active aggression whatsoever will be immediately cause enormously painful reactions you know like a complete loss of love from a parent let alone always other consequences might happen so the instinctive aggression, Which is a natural bioenergetic response to the violation of your integrity and the violation of your selfhood. You repress it in order to identify with the master, to identify and get their approval so in other words you're willing to accept any kind of tyranny and even accept the approval of that tyranny because you've repressed your own instinctive aggression And that act of aggression might have been as a defense against the violation of yourself

32:50 So this is what we see when they take a step forward and move into the political world or into the sociological world. That's what we have, we have a world of smiling depressives each one of us seeking the approval of others and it's a soft tyranny that is taking place at the moment that any individual... And this is the crux of the matter and people are going to think deeply about what I'm gonna say now they will have a big big piece of answer here and that is that anxiety exists When any kind of show up self food emerges so in other words that the person who is repressed their instincts the person who's completely self mutilated their own cell phone. Their anxiety is not a true anxiety right there stress is not a true stress it's the stress all that self which doesn't go away trying to reemerge healthily

33:39 So the person's own neurosis, the person's own disorders of which we know the world is awash in is actually a pseudo anxiety, a pseudo despair, a pseudo distress because you're actually been repressing your selfhood. And that selfhood being an actual organic spiritual thing doesn't die, you can repress it but it doesn't go away anytime that it tries to re-emerge in whatever form that now causes your anxiety so the anxieties of the world today and the stresses of the world today are actually based on their true voice trying to make a reemergence So it's incredible how this thing works and therefore you're actually self mutilate yourself is the self murder that i talk about incessantly the south side of them that's going on. And you do it to get the approval all these slave masters are pretty much in the same boat there the self murdered,

34:25 And then they encourage you to self murder yourself and then you do it. And then any anxiety that exists today is not Greg the anxiety of oh my god I wish we were all free i just wish we could get rid of big brother and i'm losing sleep because we're in a slaveocracy No, the stress is I wish i could get a better placement in that slaveocracy. My biggest problem was I wish I could really get rid of myself completely. I wish it wouldn't bother me at all and I was able to go along and be a real celebrity you know and have everything that big brother can hand me. I haven't got enough seniority within the lie this is what we're dealing with and that's why that answers as I said if people think about this will answer a lot of things one thing it answers is why so many people in so many parts of the world deny the conspiracy

35:11 And fall in line you see that's what i'm so many treacherous deceptive people all over the world. In the state of delusion so when somebody like me start to speak to go michael your crazy Look at all the sane people with their uniforms on walking in lockstep. What are you telling us? That we're crazy?" You see, that's why it's so ubiquitous throughout the world because it's an inner psychological contract that people have with themselves and so you have to free yourself first of all from that web of lies. You have to ask yourself not that I've been sold a lie but why have I bought a lie I mean, I find that all the time. The further...the more I talk about this type of material be it even the control side of it or even the Nephilim side of it even the Anunnaki side of all that ancient stuff Or be it Atlantis or UFOs or anything I'm constantly seeing myself marginalized by people I've known for 15 years That just they don't have an interest and I can't see how they do not have an interest

36:14 It's like they'd rather continue to play the game and try to get ahead in it, like you said. And then admit they're playing a game at all. Yeah but if you brought your balls to do a juggling act in front of them, you would have tons of mates! Exactly! How did we get back to... finding our selfhood as you said. By never asking anybody else how to do it and by fully, by disconnecting that chain first of all just noticing simply without judgment because if you judge yourself then your doing the same self sadism and beating yourself up just observe it like any genealogist observes whatever he observes its basically sort of a rational observation of the self and how we disempower ourselves my work is entirely based on that its this deconstructive process

37:00 I was described another ways and a pot apple fat learning in which you simply deconstruct i try to break down the kind of barriers that stand in the way of yourself ultimately all thinking is destructive. I know people have a very difficult time understanding this but thinking, Is the constructive the rational critical apparatus is to break down illusion to see through life scientists do it everyday detectives do it every day we do it everyday progress is all about looking at how to do a thing better, which means throwing out all redundant ways of doing things that's what psychoanalysis psychology philosophy is all about and one of those threads is the simple natural response that we have to seek guidance from the misguided. Are there any reasons why we do it but it needs to stop

37:46 And we have an entire world full of gurus and teachers and pseudo teachers and misleaders and whatever else who, because they have a little modicum of knowledge or insight you know technical rather they then set themselves up as gods this was pointed out even by socrates in three hundred years bc that is what people do. And then the set themselves up with authorities and try to dominate everybody else they don't awaken your own natural intelligence shit thats that threatens the hell out of me i want that So we have all these petty dictatorship starting from the home starting from the family level on up. We have to watch that tendency in ourselves and we have to realize when it comes specifically to your question how do we return to selfhood there is no aid is at anywhere, maybe some signpost other teachers and philosophers who've done lots of thinking through the centuries and definitely should be able to speed on a lot of their theories of course because we don't have one of the paradoxes here's normal human life isn't long enough

38:42 Even come to grips with some of this information that unfortunately is just a built in problem one of the things that assist us is the fact that we have you know many teachers many philosophers and great men who have done a lot of thinking for us and sort of. Percolated down a lot of the key answers and we should be up to speed with what they're talking about but only assign posts, We still have to walk the map we can't just get in line behind those guys they knew what they knew for themselves their philosophies was an outcome of their particular psychology as well doesn't mean that it's gonna fit everything. That you know each other individual

39:19 Understand so you have to have all these teachings percolate down through your own consciousness and that means work that means hard work. And that means cutting no corners but it doesn't seem like hard work if you're passionate about it, what is really separates the sheep from the goats only a lot of hard work if a person is distracted with other nonsense in this sensational world hasn't got the passion of the person has a passion about it then it doesn't seem like hard work at all. Define arise yourself with these concepts For instance, just explaining why there's this mind-body dualism or whatever it might be. Or again starting with the symbolism question or asking the big question is there a God and so forth and so on? If a man is passionate about these kinds of questions then he will be guided but he doesn't need any external physical guide necessarily those are just signpost that he meets on the way as he is doing the walking This is you know... The thing to bear in mind

40:16 Yeah, I mean...I know you're familiar with Alan Watts but he basically taught me that Zen is just trying to act without that thinking filter. Just act immediately without overthinking it and when it comes to the symbolism that's where I think I just drive myself crazy and like for example I have a friend Kyle who swears by this symbology as well as like 11-11 phenomenon And for me its' just hard thing to believe I have actually been talking to him about it. I personally experienced an overwhelmingly amount of coincidences with the number 42 and I don't understand why or what it could mean, and I drive myself crazy with interpreting some of the symbolism in life because people you know lectures talk about

41:01 the idea that your higher self is trying to talk to you or lead you, or something's trying to lead you. And I drive myself crazy wondering about the interpretation of symbols, or is there meaning in this? Or am I just projecting this meaning onto something and stuff like that. Like how can we hone in on what's meaningful Well, we do it all the time but what we do is like you've just said in your sentence. You beat yourself up for doing it that natural flow of intelligence that is projecting and that's a good thing. You're meant to do that. You're meant to see all meaning when even you speak about meaning there is no meaning external to you at all. All there is existing things That's where you start The universe has a bunch of things in it be it stars or trees are table legs or God knows what Or even for that matter other people those are known as objects of consciousness right? And they just exist

41:51 But they don't actually have any meaning this is the mistake that we have we have a foot again so it was. Flip it over with an inverse understanding meaning comes only from within, show the person who's able to give meeting to life. From within himself he's living his what's known as actualized he's an actual person yes she has not only existence which is given see we didn't quit our minds are bodies and we can create universe So in philosophy for instance they ask what can you be certain of when you gonna be certain one thing you didn't create yourself and you didn't create the universe around you that's certain period so start with that if you didn't if you didn't create those things. Then you sit and worrying about what existed before god existed and what how the universe came in before the big bang and what might have been before time is kind of in a way really meaningless from an existential point view because you weren't there you didn't create it on your one life probably could never work out and even if he had did work at outside some scientists actually cracks this which they haven't. What are really change that person's existential existence down to no wouldn't

42:51 Next thing is you didn't create life on this planet. Let's take it down from the universal right now to just this planet, life on this planet what is that 15 million years old or whatever it is? I can remember exactly but we weren't there at the beginning of time when they say that human life for animal life for intelligent life began right so we weren't there about origin that point of origin either So a lot of worrying about that period of time and what existed before and how it happened in order is really again useless meaningless information from a psychological and existential point of view the only beginning the only origin. The only miracle that we were pretty to is the fact that we are sales individually were born, i'm dead by being born we grew up in call consciousness where you think about ourselves with a think about thought i'm able to have this incredible facility that origin we aren't charge off that origin weekend study with interior

43:49 Speculative ability this rational ability so that is where then. Many philosophers said the main focus should be these other things are of interest of course not really but they're not there not really have interests like psychologically or existentially your existence, the fact that you came in with consciousness and it's what you do without consciousness right how u oriented thinking about self again meaningless is what you're thinking about as how your thinking is focused This is where the real answers will come from another words when i'm saying again is that meaning comes from within you give your life meeting. But what we do is shut off organic intelligence or is shut off for us but again by the parents and what have you, can we restart to conform or restart other people lead or they want other people to inspire us

44:35 We're really exhausted when it comes to turning the inner senses on because again that will lead us onto our own path. That breaks us away from the collective, that's why we're scared of it! We are so traumatized that we lean and what we lean on is the mob, we lean on the collective. Many people have even said that our so-called ego is just not the I at all, that there's just a construct Of the collective. The inner sense that you're talking about, do you believe that you can achieve turning that back on through hallucinogenic drugs such as ayahuasca or psilocybin mushrooms? I can't say because again my statement would be presumptive on every individual's particular journey

45:22 Exactly, exactly. So I mean goodness me a man in the dungeon could do it when that will opens up within himself so absolutely i can't sit there and make a pronouncement one way or the other because remember you're talking about the individual psychology if a person with toxic psyche And who's basically self-murdered himself goes and does one of these experiences he may blow his brains out you may blow his mind completely. Where is another person with a more healthy attitude all this breaks down to attitude, make go on have one the most powerful experiences of life isn't it true that even day david ike started as a sort of journey or not started this journey went onto have these powerful experience so again. You know its really impossible for another person to dictate order speak about it no one way or the other

46:10 What do you think life would look like today, what do you think our lives would look like today if we hadn't been lied to or manipulated and this control hierarchy hadn't hijacked the way we all live? I've thought a lot about that of course. And I think that also the philosopher Nietzsche and to certain degree Heidegger were very much looking into that question And of course they came up with it the one thing that would have to be removed. Would be this incredible dependence on the mob on the collective they were both critiques critics of the collective consciousness because they said that the collective energy and then i really don't need ones that sigma fraud in young and others are set this in their own language, what is a nice and hide girl with deepest i think who so put language to this and basically we're trying to say that look

47:00 Your ego or that part of you that they call i didn't use psychological language so in fact heidegger didn't even use the word consciousness at all cuz it didn't believe we were thinking about all he said we still have to learn how to think. What do a very brief summary i think what they were saying is because our sense of selfhood, isn't an authentic self with a pseudo self made up just approval rating you know this collective collectivism for instance let me give you example i can remember who was but there was a famous scientist or some sort of psychologist who basically said that a child even learns that it is a separate entity. From the simple act of being looked at by a parent or buy other people when the child grows up and has no sense in early stages that an individual, it learns about that it is a self because it sees other people looking added and then it learns to look at other people in the same way you see but being looked at just active perception tells the child slowly i am something that must be being looked at

48:02 And then not develop slowly on to self looking like the subjective idea of being able to observe yourself so in other words. The child wouldn't even have a subject itself wouldn't even have a clue about existence without other people point being that you there's a healthy need for collectivity, it's an accuser affectations and exchange of body language and words and eye contact that even gives anyone of us the feeling of self hood So what they're trying to say is if you didn't have other people you wouldn't even have a self and we couldn't even possibly can see what that would be like but then of course you can go too far because the roots of your sense of self is other people in their existence it becomes very easy as we've already been. Dialoguing in this in this new program here, it's only one step away before that becomes extremely chronic isn't it because since people are the basis of our sense of self my god is only the next step then to becoming completely absorbed

48:58 in the collective for a sense of self you may become even addicted to it so then trying to go cold turkey and come off of that is a very elaborate difficult process. And if anybody wanted to do it or try again it's not for me to say what would happen some people maybe so traumatized by that say even if he tried some physical thing like removing yourself from people for two weeks or whatever, or even for extended periods of time history full of people who actually became hermits and all and completely distance themselves you know can I make any Pro or negative statement you know about whether that's a good thing i want to first depends on the personality of individual so if but say something that is just purely experimentally. You know maybe they have a complete breakdown and be no self there at all to be just crawling around the floor like some sort of animal weather and of course even animals have a sense of self they obviously do and soul

49:51 Moving moving on to say that then ok so you don't and you try to do it gradually the decipher in six days stay within society and try to gradually determine what is unique about yourself. And what makes you the same as everybody else? Way back in my early first talks, even I addressed this. We know so much about what makes us the same as everybody else that we have very little understanding of what makes us unique for instance Michael how many guys are called Michael in the world it's ridiculous enough. So its like what is unique about us, the clothes we wear, the names we have, the food we eat, the ideas on our head, the language we use, if were speaking English or whatever

50:29 So you know everything is shared what actually then makes us unique and is there anything at all. I mean you talk about the top philosophers in the world of the top of the totem pole haven't got an answer to that they're still working on it but find out if there anything, that is actually really truly unique about a person now heidegger and nicho were of course implying yeah there was You know there is something that is a authentic unique about an individual and their systems are there to try and show us how to attain that you know, and I guess that would also be somewhat what. A lot of other famous teachers are trying to elude too and then if you have been no but those systems in come to your own conclusions which one of these systems they're talking about which one of these means today isn't it means to end up becomes a fascinating area studying

51:22 So my personal belief is that absolutely. I don't think we were born by accident, I think that all of these things that keep us away from a sense of selfhood can be removed but it's not so much that they can be removed its the way that they're removed if you remove in the wrong... It's like remember that six million dollar man Steve Austin? He was trying to dismantle this bomb and he does it the wrong way then hold up the whole country gonna blow up! So its more like that, it's like sweat pouring down your face because it's no about that can you remove it It's if you jiggle or you do it wrong the wrong way is gonna blow up in your face so the philosophical process, I mean okay you have one guy with a like Alexander coming with a freaking sword to cut through the guardian not maybe that's not quite the right way thats away from him but i may not be the same way for everybody else. To approach consciousness the wrong way can make you insane somebody would argue what happened to pernicious

52:14 you know, and many other people that you could name. The lunatic asylums are filled of people who've actually seen the light they know a helluva lot but they couldn't handle what they saw so again it's the way in which a lot of things are done is far more important than the what is being done and that again you can't really train somebody for You can show a person how to use like I say bow and arrow right But you can't change their perception i mean if they're half blind there's nothing you can do even if they if you show them exactly how to put the string on the ball and put that right and pull it back right. I need a stand right but they're blind under your eyes is hopeless you know there's no chance of them getting hit that target so you can show somebody a certain amount, fifty percent what they have to bring their own unique skills and perception in act acuity and brilliance to it then you have the miracle life

53:08 So again, pointing out forever like you said Alan Watts. You know there's been a whole history of great teachers have shown us what to do. You know Krishnamurti and you name it or like I said these Nietzsche's and Heidegger's and all but it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone is going on go undo it. They have to say hey this is what I've discovered And then you got to say yeah well let me try the experiment as well see What comes with this? so I do believe that these dependencies are bad. I do believe that people who have pathology can be healed and can be removed But again, it's all about how you do it. What's your intention as to why you're doing it? As a lot of people will want enlightenment for the wrong reasons they may wanted to have more power over people or whatever they may want to sit at the right hand of God or whatever might be so the reasons the motives maybe... The thing that they want might look good on paper but do we really know the reasons why they wanna do it what's the motive behind it could be really negative

54:07 We're all motivated by something. You mean to tell me that you've gone and seen the light, and then you're happy? The fact with a bunch of completely clueless auto-hypnotized millions sit in front of you on their knees looking up at you like God. I got a problem with that right away but then I see a lot of other people don't they think it's wonderful that he is there making all these miracles and enlightening everyone so again there are too many schools of thought where I can look at somebody and think that's a charlatan as a person even if he has the light why would be using it this way when another person might come along go no its wonderful thing you know all these repressed Americans and all they can sit there

54:48 know Guy waving an incense stick and rest in orange to sell their soul to you know there's millions of ways to escape, working on a job from nine to five looking for that success. I'm tyranny you may not put a gun to somebody's head address the military gear with a bunch of metals on your chest you may want be the next nobel prize winner something like that but another will this another power trip you see so it can be done

55:30 Under the pretext of doing charity or humanity for people in psychology and philosophy was looking to motives not so fooled by that would show things which so many people in our world today are. Completely bamboozled by another art workshop they gotta think about the motors a psychological motors optimistic aspect of this does connect with the trauma period that you were alluding to earlier because If you look at the chronology of that trauma and again i'm saying you don't even have to believe it had anything do with nephilim even if you just accept it was about who is a physical whatever planetary whatever, is such as short time ago. The optimistic attitude when you study this matrix of power and control is that we may be actually healing from it and you just can force that healing anymore than you can tell a guy who's been through a car wreck

56:18 you know and broken a couple of legs to get up walk right away so this trauma that happened happen to all the human race we're in healing cycle. And so it's kind of really not too clever or rational to be utterly pessimistic because these things do take time and they end what i mean is centuries, so even though we may still see so much darkness and some attorney and so much control and we lamented and good to lament that your not meant to be happy about corruption At the same time, it may be that the ego is gradually imperceptibly healing in its own unique way. And that what is true and what is rich and what is real inside us never dies can never perish this was with the core of Nietzsche's teachings that no matter how dark things get he referred to as The Will To Power That will can never ever die It's eternal so no matter how black things get on how oppressive things get

57:14 there will be no crushing of that light. So even if you're not a religious man, you know? You're just coming out of a morgue human, sort of a humanistic school. Even in that humanistic school they claim that the spirit of man can't be crushed down forever and it will come back and always will. There's always a compensatory action in life and one might say that the awakening you're seeing today amongst ordinary people is part of that awakening. That lie just cannot persist forever and people will find some instinctual or some very deeply a seed of wholeness within them that they will want to actualize. One can argue that is also the case. Right, I've heard many people refer to this time as the Age of Enlightenment or Age of Awakening in astrological terms which

58:06 I get, I really have a hard time with the astrology part and really seeing how that could affect us but it is funny to see that the internet came directly at the time thats considered a time of enlightenment. And if i were to write that thousands of years ago on paper The internet would be the perfect incarnation of that coming to life so I do see a similarity there and coincidence Well are you familiar with my theories on the inner zodiac? the inner zodiac. I don't think i've heard of the inner zodiac theories Yeah, yeah because I agree with you that if you're looking at astrology from the wrong end of the binoculars it doesn't make a bit of sense at all and you're into something completely false The origins of the zodiac are internal... The so-called external zodiac that people are studying is nothing more than a projection of consciousness And I have that information on my Taroscopes website There's articles and interviews

58:59 Video tour that i made the explain origins of the zodiac connecting to consciousness in other words the very same mecca and the very same architecture all your consciousness. Very ability that you even have to know the difference between one two three four even numbers one ten how you can tell, what they have an order that they run this order or that the one is different from seven that's a mobility to learn language no not known chomsky speaking about being incredible innate Architecture of linguistics that a child has the enables that child and go on learn any language words any foreign language english or italian how is it the children can do this when these linguistic skills are unbelievably complex no computer could do it, he talks about that there are these innate inbuilt categories of linguistics. In the mind so exactly the same way as he's expressed that

59:54 those, that architecture that mental architecture. So the principles of the zodiac the mathematical underlying architecture you know the seven to twelve or three and four and so on That is in our psyche And it's only because of the incredible misrepresentation of astrology by these so-called astrologers who haven't a faintest idea about the origins of their own subject matter and it's also because of the egregious you know, backlashing or whatever you want to call it. Criticism from this sort of materialist atheist crony crowd who'd want to deny that there's any spiritual dimension to humankind. Astrology as a pure science has really been ... suffered a lot but when you understand that is based on projection of human consciousness then you'll start to understand more about what goes on the zodiac whether you're talking about the great ages, you know, the more processional ages

1:00:53 or you're talking about the yearly zodiac, these are just simply projections of human consciousness. So I always encourage my audience to go and study up on that so they get more clear on when even myself slip and talk about Uranus or Pluto or Venus or Sun...I always try to caveat that by saying that look, I don't actually mean some planet in space necessarily. I'm speaking about an archetypal force like more of a spiritual sort a psycho-physical force. It's just that it's just a means of communication like music, the Zodiac works on very similar principles as the way that musical notes communicate to us you know? I mean there's a reason why people like to listen to Stairway To Heaven or a piece of Chopin you know, that stuff is speaking to us well the zodiacal archetypes any symbolism in fact whether its alchemical mathematical

1:01:53 Color for instance the mr. The miracle of color we could have five shows on just that you know so we were being spoken to all the time remember your speaking earlier about you and number forty two and how you are playing without wondering what the significance is You see, that number is not the number that's the problem really there. It's what that number symbolizes in many ways—the factors that make it up, the relationship between this Number 4 and the Number 2 because there are really two numbers there right? You said 42 but that actually implies of two numbers there four and two. And I know those numbers got a lot of different spiritual esoteric relationships but to cut it short what I mean is that numbers be at 1-10 they are themselves meaningless like I said those are just things that exist

1:02:37 What exists behind them is frequency, energy. Those are archetypes so the numbers are really messengers of a certain vibration they're conveying a certain vibration for instance the number four basically conveys the vibrational order structure and practicality You know so each number represents a particular frequency and that can be universalized like a normal most numerology we'd say those numbers go for everybody. And that's fine and dandy but ultimately each individual has a personal relationship with those numbers as well when one will get into it and study it and come to their own, relationship you know some people friends inside give me one example of the number four mandalas

1:03:23 when Carl Jung famously had these clients who went through, well it wasn't even really major breakthroughs. It was almost like just the first stage of the breakthroughs that they had. Something led them to express themselves by painting mandalas and as you know mandalas are made of four right? A lot more than square symbolism And so what is that? Well Nietzsche would have come along and said well I'll tell you what that is That's a man's aesthetic response Because man is primarily an aesthetic creature long before he uses reason long before he even becomes aware that there's a mathematical order to the universe, long before any of that and you got left brain stuff every man including every child is turned on initially by the simple beauty of what's around.

1:04:17 In fact, Nietzsche took this to the extent anyone who wants to know Nietzsche has to understand that the aesthetic appreciation and aesthetic creations like music and art actually going in doing it writing poetry. This was the center of his philosophy and many others have swore by this as well that they claim with the whole meaning of life is based on this aesthetic appreciation without even getting into any of that just the very fact that nature was so intoxicatingly beautiful to look at even thunderstorms or lightning or the sunrise whatever might be the miracle of the flow of river, you know a river or whatever. This made man wonder wow how did this all come into being? And so they saw that man's original state of consciousness was just this completely spontaneous response to beauty right and we still have it today in fact I mean we know this because you can look down through all of history

1:05:08 And all the people we admire, including Leonardo da Vinci's were artists before they were geometrists or scientists. The greatest minds in the world are often scientifically inclined but they're also extremely artistic I mean half the buildings we live in have to stay buildings of the world based on that romanesque design for instance, where does not just buy people who are brilliant mathematical skills geometric skills but we're also incredibly inspired artistically like vitruvius and paco Pacchioli and all of these other guys you see same thing in music so yeah music is mathematical to the extent that you gotta know the notes and you gotta know that you know writing, the writing aspect of music but long before that. And even at the end of it its more about the beautiful aspect of it you see so half this stuff we do in the world or more of it is motivated by this aesthetic sense

1:05:56 And therefore that's important as well to burn mind that we have this innately within ourselves and when you're responding then to those numbers, those numbers just represent in geometrical form they may represent some sort of geometry or they may represent some sort Archimedean geometry not the platonic solids and what have you a lot of people when they see numbers like three three three and seven seven seven eight eight, and two to two there's a lot of triad numbers appear for people i think you mentioned even yourself on eleven eleven. Was that you that mentioned that? Yeah, it is. It's a friend of mine He he's convinced that the coincidence of 1111 seen it and not only in his he sees like a double L And his last name and the last name of his girlfriend and he sees symbolism and that being 1111 understood dresses and times things happen when he's thinking of certain things and mile markers on driving on the highway

1:06:54 Well this is a language that when you're coming to it from the left brain point of view, it seems very strange and people can think you're kind of crazy. But what's actually happening is that slowly the natural intelligence we've been alluding to before or if you want to say right brain or this aesthetic sense whatever might be that's awakening and we don't stop it we get freaked out by them when we stopped doing it Like right now on the clock as I'm looking where I am in Europe, it says 314. That's Pi. So how significant is pi? It's so significant we just happen not to be talking about sacred geometry and numerology and the mystical aspects of a number and I'm looking at the clock and it's 314 exactly. The left brain goes complete coincidence has no meaning

1:07:45 What who's the say to me it has no meaning i decide whether has meeting or not you see that we said earlier connects nothing about bringing meeting from yourself so this is not organic flow yet so these numbers now that not say your friend went and started to discover. about the platonic solids, the dodecahedron, the octahedra, the tetrahedral right? Which happened to be based on the cellular structure of the body you know and there's so many other authors have gone into this far more deeply than I've done people like John Valoma Chisodek and even Greg Brayden to a certain extent. There are many books out on this subject You will start to find that the dimensions of these platonic solids...there are five platonic solids in 18 Archimedean solids

1:08:24 And those by the way are in the universe, those just embody the very essence of architecture of the universe. You will start to discover that these very numbers that you keep noticing or some part your brain is attracted too turn out to be... ...the numbers that are these vertices and the numbers on the sides and dimensions all this particular objects, these solids or even the body human itself the human body's dimensions itself from a Pythagorean Fibonacci point of view. And you have the Fibonacci series, you've got many other spiritual esoteric series that are inherent in the natural order — there's the ones that you know about and then there's ones they don't want to know about. So there's all these spiritual numerology that is encoded into this thing, it's encoded into the pyramid, it's encoded into the human body and so forth and so on... There are so many books I could

1:09:19 refer to people who are fascinated by this i've gone into a great length of my own work and so these dimensions are those living archetypes but the thing that those numbers are on the bridge between you right your microcosmic understanding your microcosmic intelligence and the external apparently external macro cosmic world, you're related to that. The world is made out of same stuff as your consciousnesses made out of it's completely psychophysical psycho somatic and therefore those numbers in one sense are the language of exchange of energy between your psyche and the physical world we have moved only from a left brain point of view with numbers we care about other numbers of money and reduced it down to such a boring but not level 1234 you know that they're dead things.

1:10:15 You know, it no longer has an esoteric or spiritual component to it. Yet in ancient days which we record on our minds right? Our consciousness is the culmination of millennia of experience well that ancient ancestral voice you know It knows what the number two or the number three or the number 22 Yeah, number 44 whatever represents and we've shut that off unfortunately So it's very very important in spiritual development to reopen it again How do you suggest do that really? How do we open it back up? Studying sacred geometry, studying numerology. You know my mystery school the Timenosis we have people working with these numbers on a very practical level so that hopefully it'll be the starting ground for them to then go on to use double digit numbers and so on and so forth getting into the tarot all of the tarot cards have numbers and they're deeply esoteric meanings All the divination arts that's extremely important to get involved with that if you're interested in what you're asking Sacred geometry is part of it as well

1:11:15 And I would say even studying these solids, like I spoke about the geometrical solids, Forms and the five platonic solids and their dimensions in their vertices and relationships between each other like how many planes do they have? How many vertices to they have this is what fascinated the ancients who built a pyramid half the ziggurats and pyramids are based on very precise Geometry of six one eight. That's the Phi ratio And what have you many other numbers I could mention you see The number 66 appears a lot The Bible is loaded with it Speaking of the pyramid, do you think the pyramids were built by... does your research show that if you found that the pyramids are build by human ancients alone? I don't know. I'm not even sure they're dated right and i can tell ya... That's a Graham Hancock thing is he thinks they're way older Yeah, I've always maintained that. I think there were build way back in the processional age of Virgo If not even before that

1:12:17 As to who built them, I think enlightened humans. You know this Atlantean knowledge because remember it's not only in Egypt that you have these precisely designed... They're everywhere! They're everywhere including in Ireland as well What did you say? Some are even under the ocean Yes the ones that Hancock has photographed exactly so there is no doubt on my mind that there was a gigantic school of knowledge That's why people refer to as the Aria or the Druids These were a worldwide organization and they're known in Egypt as the Shem Suhor or disciples of Horus, and they are the ones who actually built the pyramid. But the knowledge that they brought with them was Atlantean it was from the ancient days when lots more things were known about the planet Earth than we can ever imagine. And also the consciousness of people was pre-trauma so we're talking about people who had a very high level of consciousness here

1:13:12 movies blocks you know now there's even some in the last ten to fifteen years has been some individuals have even learned to move these stones. What twenty years ago that wasn't even a crane that could've left them, now they made some small effort to show it could have been physically maneuvered and also were slowly slowly making progress to realize yeah probably coulda been done just with what we would describe as human beings without necessarily believing any supernatural Or off world presence but again i'm open to all things because those are coffee guy and i don't just mean the ones in the pyramid but the one that's a car on the south. I mean the top engineers in the world with the latest equipment, let us measure equipment cannot work out to this day how the angles of inside these boxes not the kings copper

1:14:01 And these other big, big giant what they call sarcophagi. It's just nobody can work out how those angles are so precise They don't even have the tools to do it today let alone to cut them and get them So precise and then the utter travesty when they come to date it They pick up a piece of broken pottery from beside it date that pottery right there could be some you know piss pot that some guy put their some old shepherd Date that and then say oh well now we know how old the sarcophagus was I mean that now passes for academic, you know sort of like You know science or whatever. Yeah This is what they hand to on the plate for hundreds of years Now as far as this knowledge of planet That is obviously on a mass scale lost right? Do you think that the elite still hold this knowledge true because it seems like throughout history there's been a pattern of conquering a group

1:15:00 Burning all the records destroying everything they have building a school but two things about that is i don't believe the record were destroyed all these libraries i believe we're sequestered first. I'm the ancient libraries, listen to the alexander library was burned on like you know what time four times or something but there's some very severe controversy about the final burning when caesar was there And in my eyes, it was the knowledge was taken just in exactly the same way that history tells us at the Temple of Jerusalem so-called was plundered by Titus and all the gear was taken over to Rome. So there's no question about it that these Dragon Court whether they be the Roman version or Greek version whatever these people were plunderers. They knew where they were going, they knew about antiquity and even know about the sacredness of stuff they're getting their hands on. So number one I don't believe it was burned, I believed it was sequestered

1:15:52 And that has been, they've had access to that through their private libraries. We all know about the famous Vatican library but that's only one of many many many private libraries all over the world that nobody would have a chance to get into not even on a very high level not even if you were very senior academic there are libraries that they just simply would not let you have access to unless you're an extremely high-level Freemason or member of the Illuminati or what have you now and again something leaks out here and there but ultimately That'll only, all that will leak out is yeah these things exist. What's in them never gets sort of revealed or what have you. Yeah it's funny that after thousands like thousands of years no ruling member of the elite has ever just come forward with a smoking gun just out of guilt. Because they've got a lot to lose remember its simple mafioso situation which first of all most of them are ideologically completely in agreement with what's taking place

1:16:52 Secondly they got a lot to lose because once you go through their system i mean even just in the more sort of a home drum. You know you want other colleges you joined our fraternities you sort of, did well and then you moved on and put you in a nice position with ahead of this are you ahead that you know the give me back to run there country to run all is coming up or big shipping line whatever you don't really have You know the power to sort of turn back i mean one thing you understand what these guys is they sacrifice a helluva lot to take that silver spoon i mean no that has to be understood. There's really no way out i'm in the movie called brotherhood of the bell that sort of lays this on the line and shows your typical it is, you know cuz ruin you and if they don't run you first will ruin your brother his business was only go bankrupt for some bizarre reason you know whatever they will mess with people around you give me the warning

1:17:45 And most of the highest level guys don't even need the warning because it's already in built into their brain that if you ever think that your gonna bite the hand that feeds here thinking again. Because they'll make you very aware of the fact that others have tried and lost so this minimizes doesn't rule out completely, i doesn't stop accidents from happening for instance during perestroika lots of files were left just stupidly big buildings full of precious precious files were left I'm guarded and so independent journalist where to go in a gravel of stuff same thing happened in frank was russian franco's during the civil war in the nazi. The fastest leader franco in spain an incident for instance like will happen were the allies came and bomb the whole barcelona

1:18:34 And the bombs did strike the government buildings and all the filing cabinets were like blown open right now all this soldiers never bought in the garden scattered leaving some very important, journalists to run and basically grab and hide all those precious precious files and spend their life translating it because of that we have authors that we know no amazing things about. You know the jesuit connection to franco or we know something about the secret society freemasonic connection that never would have come out any other way you see so there's flukes and happen, who is the occasional whistleblowing person. But it doesn't happen often and it happens enough I think 24 people like myself and your realina another people to go on no gather that data but certainly yes it's not as much as you want now

1:19:24 But coming back to your original question, do they have the knowledge? Do they maintain that ancient knowledge? The answer is absolutely yes. We know this is the case because of the ley lines and architecture You only need to go back to the rise of the Templars in Britain Templar's go a long way back right back to the 9th century 13th century what-have-you but even if you just deal with the 11th century of their original Templar families coming to England during the Battle of Hastings The simple fact of their ability to position their houses, monasteries and subsequently their churches and state buildings on key areas of a geomantic grid could not be coincidence. Washington is set up that way? Yes exactly

1:20:15 Same thing again over in America and that situation you find that just so much precision and when you really get into it, how much they observed the movement of certain planets individual planets particularly Jupiter within stars like a movement of the star Sirius for instance. The meticulous observation about this is obviously not jumped up in five minutes mean these things are very difficult And remember, you have to sequester it because you can't even let ordinary clever laymen know about it. Not all lay men are stupid some of them are very intelligent but they're not in on the game so you have to have these fraternities You have to have these secret fraternities to make sure that this knowledge isn't even then misused by non what they would call muggers in the street right? That's highly intelligent layman who shouldn't know this and we don't want those lay man also going out and teaching everybody else how to do it either So remember occult knowledge is occult because they want to keep it for themselves They don't want YOU doing it

1:21:05 They don't want you finding out about it and so they've locked it down. That's why if you try to go and study anything that is more esoteric, well you're not going to be able to. You have to pick that up on your own time. You're not going to be able to study within college or university in fact you may put a target on your back by even mentioning that you are interested in these things. The symbolism that the elite use, obviously I assume you would think there's some esoteric energy in that symbolism. Do you think that's what allows them to maintain this sphere of control over many years and over a global network? Yeah because remember these meta-arts they're using are not negative in themselves There is nothing evil about compasses and protractors

1:21:55 you know, tarot cards and astrology. Any of the things that they're using in themselves are completely neutral as a matter of fact all the tools that they're using were once in the hands of you know the world's greatest enlightened people and were used for the good of all humanity more than that the things that they're using these sciences that they use are the science is of the universe That's the science that holds the universe together. These alchemical principles and these sacred geometrical principles, these artistic musical and whatever else color how they manipulate color how to manipulate light those are all rules laws or whatever you want to call it that are already there in the universe. These people are skewers they are able to reconfigure that which is natural evil is nothing more than a subversion right of what is not true they didn't create a thing

1:22:50 In fact they are, that's what sorcery is. That's the difference between magic and sorcerer. So when for example you see this symbolism come out in corporate logos do you think they use that because it just appealing to our subconscious? I do i think thats the reason and simply their putting there badge on it just in a same way If you created something or your star football team you know what you want to sit around a lot thinking about the logo and what it represents you may base that logo on hero of yours are you when you wanna commemorate. A famous figure you see so you think a lot about the reason why you create these logos they do the same thing if they're looking to commemorate not only their line the bloodline like a friends right now in the form under empire death,

1:23:43 I've got a logo from the city girls of london you know tying into the whole royal all about control of london and therefore meeting the rest of the world. What are their organizations that they control is a network of guilds network of universities, call the guilt city gills don't symbol of that is a red lion but the tail is a coil serpent. I mean anything go look at it and agree with me that looks like a blinkin serpent because it certainly doesn't look like a pill Well that is not the tail is meant to indicate a serpent because they're not really speaking about the line this became with the dragon corpus the serpent is the serpent brotherhood right so in that instance that logo was just simply commemorating the line. Not an individual,

1:24:29 Not a not a potentate from the line just align itself red lion you know and i can extra if you go to astrology well the red lion is all the barn right star no one was on the bar in leo what have you, that's why so many templar ins bars pubs are called red lion. Does anyone we don't know but then more broadly they may want to commemorate specific figure and therefore the logo will now actually be uh... representing or some trait that they had all colors of the preferred or something on their own court of arms there's all sorts of ways of doing this this arrangement it ties in even wider somebody came along he wanted to identify obama his facial features and as presidency with okinawa is the same thing i'm telling you about when you study the stuff that's nothing remarkable at all everyone else it's a remarkable was a matter of fact that symbol

1:25:28 Yeah, yeah. That's exactly exactly that's like do me a favor in fact if you I've got it on the form if you take this symbol of his little round solar symbol with the three striations and Put it right next door to the Akhenaten symbol of the Sun And I've got it right there on the symbolism page in the forum I mean a complete imbecile can see that they're just their designer take all along the same thing So this is what they do habitually This is just the way they do things we may only notice at once in our entire lives and then go wow That's really weird These guys are masters on it. I mean, you can't go to a state building You can go to Christian churches and find the green man! You know? You could find the head of Mithras, you could find the head of Dionysus And all sorts of paganism symbolism on Christian churches On civic buildings Checkered floors galore How many people walk across that checkered floor

1:26:17 when they walk into a state building or even for that matter university or college how many of those people, I'm just asking simple questions nothing to do with anything conspiratorial. How many people actually know that the checkered floor refers to the Knights Templars and the Cistercian Order? Just simply that! No very few not even teachers who do it every day so there you go but yet they're in this university meant to be learning things educated and couldn't tell you why dimensions on a portal You know, or that way. There's people going around with the name Tyler or whatever wouldn't even know where that word came from. They wouldn't even know what it means at this Masonic you know people going around calling yeah I'm called Stephen Cohen What's the word Cohen mean? Well...I don't know So it's right there in plain sight we're not talking In one way we say People like me are always talking about this is esoteric and that's esoteric And in one way That's not even really true A lot of its so obvious

1:27:14 You know i mean that it's really not a satiric its right there in plain view so the combination and you can literally go back and take these dollar bill symbols on the, the symbol of texaco or the symbols of shell corporation are i don't know what. AT&T name and you can find the exact duplicates way back in time of rome way back in time of egypt if it hasn't already been suppressed that only what we've got Right. And you mentioned the Green Man, which jarred a memory of mine I saw... obviously a lot of this symbolism happens in Hollywood as well but I've seen things on Jim Carrey specifically embodying the Green Man in his movies like The Mask he wears a green mask He also played The Grinch which is a green character Those are couple examples and it just makes me wonder

1:28:06 I wouldn't think that he like is he in on that? Like it just seems weird that you'd be able to find these coincidences and point out like 10, 12 different instances of symbolizing the green man for some actor. Well, just in the same way that you don't blame the merchant necessarily if his logo turns out to be some sort of Masonic thing. Right? You don't exonerate them either but you don't necessarily implicate them until you're totally sure. Mm-hmm. You don't also implicate the actor necessarily if is it is smart ass production people who make these films are much smarter than him. Right so you think that... ...you know if he were to be symbolizing The Green Man that its more

1:28:48 producers, people behind the scenes that find these scripts to put them in and what I just don't understand what the purpose is of creating that type of situation. Well, that's because you have to study magic! You have to learn about sympathetic magic these deep forms of hypnosis are used. I've always tried to put it this way first let me answer your question about the actor Dynamic the art directors are the ones who do it all the art directors work with producers were not the producer but the director's they often are coming from deeply in a great interest sometimes healthy sometimes not. Interest in symbolism then you have a lot of these directors because believe me that's not easy to make movies and it takes millions yet be really in with establishment so for instance a particular person like a Stanley Kubrick friends

1:29:41 Their work is layered with esoteric meaning because either they have an interest in it as a layman or they are actually members of esoteric societies and just front man for those masonic society. So when you go frame by frame and start looking at the esoteric symbolism in say something like eyes wide shut or even a Spielberg piece of garbage, I got back to the future whatever this nonsense and then you start counters apparently had a lot of exactly and so many other even now these latest movies immortal you know it's all this nephilim symbolism what have you. So yeah when you go for him if he started noticing us obviously esoteric stuff that's because these people are themselves just frontman messenger sort of speak mercurial messengers, for the secret societies who want to put out this esoteric information but they have learned from along time back to do it in this uh...

1:30:32 Play of masks okay now that doesn't mean that the guy who's trying to earn a living at the end often they're completely ignorant i'm not even track some of these films when the actor. Is being interviewed about some other symbolism you know i mean they are totally idiotic don't have a clue sometimes it is on time they don't all i can say yeah there's a humongous difference between the level of intelligence of appear where, who would make the truman show and the actor right Who if you ask him later on after the movie's made, so what do you think that meant when you went through a door in the sky? Well gee I don't really know. I got paid! Exactly they're like performing seals Later on they may become little bit more knowledgeable and certainly if they want to go on and direct anything They're going have to start getting into it

1:31:22 And believe me i'm the first to say that i am skeptical about all of these people actors included i mean i am really skeptical about them all i do believe there one big giant cabal their in hollywood, let alone these guys are on the note i'm very unforgiving with him but at the same time. What is the always take each individual case as it goes but then getting onto more deeper question of the esoteric stuff is i sum up like this One of the most important things to always remember when you're dealing with a multimedia here and specially the people who create video games and all this media, visual media is that we would be in a dire straight psychotic state if they weren't able to feed drip feed us some of archetypal symbolism but they also raped off by the other hand. In order to get the slave to be the slave you had had to rape him through his life for centuries of time

1:32:14 On this archetypal level you got to put fifty foot steel doors between him and his true self or shut down the right brain in other many ways of language in this. You have to shut down his aesthetic appreciation like we talk about needs it saying you have to open up again but what they discovered to their heart is that if you do that then your basically have a psychotic creature on your hands Now they don't mind that to a degree but the psychotic still got to get in this car everyday and go down there and push the wheel. You still gotta breed new generation of slaves whatever else you see run the entire plan so they only want certain neurotic individual, show fucked up daddy he won't be able to do is in her home market find a spiritual core buddy shouldn't be so crazy dog so lost. They can perform his duties for big brother what they doing

1:33:12 Is a send you down to the cinema or they put these because they know that the food of the mind must be symbolic. You're missing this whole archive inside yourself that they have suppressed raped whole nations man hold on talking about wholesale rape. I'm tired groups of people not just the druids but many other powerful gnostic spiritual groups who used to teach people less who very much were using symbolism, who are trying to awaken this is that it sounds or how did awakened so we have had centuries of purgation so that your modern man is utterly vagrant, utterly cut off from these symbolic roots. I mean Carl Jung went blue in the face talking about this and so they've realized that that has made men very weak So by creating this aesthetic movement and putting it at so many deep archetypal ancient... Look at the movie The Fountain look how much The Tree of Life you know i'm obsessed with this kind of shit. That was a weird movie

1:34:09 Remember that? We tried watching that and that movie was just so odd. Yeah, very bizarre movie now one of the central themes in it is this tree of life I mean i'm obsessed with that! I've got a whole thing coming out on that. I've got a whole appendices on it you know... And there it is in this movie takes central place not just in this movie but the religious symbolism of the Tree Of Life goes back unbelievably many thousands of years You can find it in their earliest Babylonian symbolisms right there in the book of Genesis I'm here is a central character you know in this in the modern film with all archetypal symbolism around it so. The people who do this they know that they have to every now and again give you that i think we'll be isn't it that,

1:34:56 When you're a drug addict, like a heroin addict. And if you declare that you are, you can get free needles and they inject you with some of the heroin or something? Is that what they do? I don't know Dave... They don't do that in the States but they do it in some parts of the world yeah. Right well they give methadone... In the states they give heroin addicts methadone Well, that's what they're basically doing with this. For me when you see this they're reinvigorating you like putting the metaphor of drugs or the metaphor about when you are falling into a complete state asleep they give you those... They put that sulfur in front your nose and then you wake up sort again? Yeah exactly so it is just as that's what it is It's reminding you its re-embowling you not enough for you to really get aware again

1:35:45 Although believe me some of them, some people do get very inspired by this. But on the whole it's just you know get out your popcorn go and watch something here you know fascinating Star Wars whatever good versus evil all the things we know that these movies contain throw in a bunch of great symbolism alchemy like the end of Star Trek One where there's this amazing meeting of a man and woman together with a transcendant going to become one like no so that we have a concept. I hope your audience is familiar with androgyny it turns up endlessly in movies very ancient very powerful ancient alchemical motif embedded in the unconscious show at the end of that movie,

1:36:30 They have this amazing scene where the male and female literally blend together you have exactly the same type of seen at the end of dracula bram stoker's dracula were when she cuts off ahead of account. He dies in a chick herself and there are some sort spiritual nucleation of the mail on female and then the last thing is this angelic androgynous, Ascent like a transfiguration taking place to see and you have it over and over and over again in various films this concept of Androgyny, and I try to go list these Motifs that they're using all the time the tree of life You know the red-headed woman The red dressed woman the woman in the red dress or whatever might be the checkered floor. You name? These are there because they need to keep you somewhat archetypally New

1:37:20 I'm looking for the word like nutrients or it's nourished. To an extent, just so that you're not so malnutrited that you can't function. That's what is is but certainly isn't so that the whole world they are itching to enlighten the world Maybe you get that through another kind of movie like V for Vendetta. There are certain movies that do fall into the category, I'm not... Matrix, V for Vendetta Yeah yeah and even The Treatment Show, i'm certainly saying those are movies that are highly artistic designed to awaken the aesthetic sense certainly designed to turn you on to some greater more metaphysical motifs there's no doubt in my mind that is that's the fact But there are a lot of other movies as well that are doing the opposite. They're sorcery, they're thereto inspire their agenda from what's called the Dionysian culture group that I heard you mentioned earlier that you watch my age and manipulation so you know that i went into this in great detail not to mention them or sort it satanic cults are involved but just in general is a call to dionysus whose job it is to put solar cold androgynous celebs in front of us to make jaggers david bowie

1:38:27 Who else? Jim Morrison, you know that kind of thing. And even more ridiculous versions today. That's another version again to keep an iconic these actually these men solar children represent Mithras they actually represent the very gods That these illuminati a door i mean a door i mean worship i'm really worship these guys so they will make a little mess. They'll create hero like an elvis or whoever and that being will jump through the hoops in the very same way that you're speaking of jim carrey doing, will live out in his movies music on some other even scenario will live out the life

1:39:07 drama of one of these potentates that they actually worship, like literally live out the life of Horus or live out the... Of course it will be in symbolic form. Sun symbolism in the case of Elvis right? There you go! Right absolutely and again some of it happens autonomously and the rest of it is very contrived I'd say that now it's almost entirely contrived but remember even if it wasn't contrived this happens myths happen so they've noticed this They've noticed that in ancient times had happened automatically And now they do is it just make a sort of a simulator simulated version so that all the girls are whatever identify with or whatever and fashions will start up in. You know whatever my baby know that the certain kind of psyche, there's more eclectic that's more synthetic this more right brain put these heroes in front of me media and the commercials in the levi ads and you name it all on the magazines

1:40:01 I will do the trick and people have a faintest idea what is being communicated by way of these. Advertisement for jeans or whatever my baby no system believable when you get into it and if you see my age of manipulation you know that is such a use i think you said yourself with such a huge field how can anyone dvd your presentation cover one of my biggest problems. You always email me go to talk more about that yeah wish i could have done but you know what mean someone in the hours like even meet even i can stand up on stage, Will dropping you know it's just so lengthy and so in depth i'm gonna be an icon to at all my point is to make a lot of the suggestions and show people away but really they gotta go up on. Do it themselves provided information provide the sources, people need to get into and really understand this how this works for two reasons one is that take apart way from the source or until use yourself for positive reason

1:40:56 I had a question for you, it's kind of maybe a little bit of personal question. I see a lot similarities in electronic dance music today and like ancient tribal sounds and...I was just wondering do you personally listen to electronic music? Yeah! I like trance music a lot. I like the Orb and the Future Sons Of London and even Tangerine Dream and certain amount of...you know like Van Gelles and what is his name Oh, there's so many. I'm a big fan of trance music and like a lot more psychedelic. Like the harder you say like almost like an infected mushroom? Yeah, electronic. I like industrial. I like industrial music. Sure. I like it. In fact, I like any music that has that mantric

1:41:46 Rhythmic stuff, you know whether it's a whether it's in a more industrial metal type of thing or even more trance music There's I adore that kind of music. A lot. I listen to more symphonic. Well, I'm a musician That's why I wanted to ask that question because I heard the song that you played during The Free Your Mind with the symbolism and your like You had the different pictures and one was going into another And you like you can see the correlations through all these symbols and I was just that's what sparked my question Yeah, I try to put as much of that music into my own documentaries as possible because i listen to it a lot and its very right brain. Its very stream-of-consciousness And its music that allows you dive in where your more personally involved It's not linear and it's not song necessarily lyrics or structured sort of three minute song whatever So it allows you go in there What I like alot is cause I work so hard if I play just 3 minutes songs

1:42:43 You go stir crazy listening even to songs you really like. If you put on the trance music, it's different every time. Every time you put that same piece on, you're hearing more in it and it doesn't become as boring. Of course! Like you hear the different layerings of the different sounds... For instance when I used to do retail And working in bookstores and what have you, we'd always try to slip the trance music on when the boss was out because then your day goes by faster. Because if you're listening to these very formulaic kinds of music it becomes very monotonous and you almost feel more tense. Yeah

1:43:22 That's awesome. Well, hey you know we've pretty much almost taken up two hours of your time but I mean it's been great eye-opening very inspiring One other quick question i had easy to answer is excluding your own work just for the sake of the question what would you say if you had to narrow down be the three most important books that someone could read? Well certainly top of the list would be like in my eyes I'd say that Dr John Coleman Any of his work is highly recommended a book by webster tarpley and linden larouche crowd called dope incorporated because it specifically shows you. The british connections of america is run by the british oligarchy that is a piece that is so important to know about not only takes you back to the time of the constitution what have you,

1:44:14 But it also explains what's going on in today's world who these presidents are you know how they come to power the kind of a treachery. I'd also explain where these federal orgs come about and the world control from an american point view, why i say this is because americans are usually quite well up to speed on the can that there is a conspiracy they beat the world knowing that this conspiracy but many have not made the transition yet to know how the british aristocracy factor in. They think they're free and the British has got nothing to do with it, is extremely important that they read Dr John Coleman and Dope Incorporated from people like Webster Tarpley those are highly recommended and then satellite to that is of course then the G Edward Griffin who speak about the same thing and Eustace Mullins that kind of thing Those are crucial there's so many others I can mention and have listed

1:45:05 If people go to my articles and look at the Constitution Con article or look at the weapons of mass destruction found article, go to the bottom and you'll find all these authors that I list. But since you asked me that question right now those are the ones i can think off a guy called uh he wrote the book uh treason in america anthony chaitkin incredibly important book there you know so there's Because you are speaking just about the conspiracy aspect, right? Well yeah. I mean well just in your opinion since you have such a much more broad understanding of all the material be it symbolism, control or even historical hidden knowledge if someone was really looking to dive in what's where is a good jumping off point? I'm sure all those books are great jumping off points

1:45:59 I would recommend my own work because i've tried to synthesize just for that very reason. Right, actually that's why love your work because you do that and you also give your sources all the time every time even in this talk alone in this two-hour talk we've... You know I'm gonna have to go back I probably got a thousand hours of material now to go and research just based on all the references to other work which i think is great! I don't have that type of memory to be able to do it Well, I just do it all the time. I don't really have a good memory either but the thing is that i just do it all the time But you see then if you say somebody was wanting to study the symbolism thing out of a whole bunch of different authors for them Say they were interested in history of Christianity The Templars You know? I have gone through all this subject matter All my life and been able to synthesize The best of the best! I mean actually by reading so...you know I read maybe 20 books a week...20 books a month excuse me And therefore

1:46:52 over the years just by the simple act of doing that you find out who is just utterly worthless or only half good and Who's absolutely bloody marvelous, you know? So say I was talking about Egypt Or you know then then are the Bible Then I got my Tony Bush bees and my Ralph Ellis's and Mustafa Gaddalaz and Ackerman Oseman's You know so it depends from which school you're coming if you're talking more on the psychological aspect Then you have you know different people to recommend them all this symbolism of course is very, very important so you have different people to recommend there. Judaism the history of Judaism I can save people centuries there by recommending things that they should read it's about eclectically having your

1:47:38 Fingers on the pulse of all this different subject matter because i'm not and i'm not a narrow guy don't get only fanatical about one area and beat that to death, is any become sort of partisan then you become so obsessed by the moment that you do that your missing other key information over here that you may not be interested in this also what's happening a lot. in this movement. Like for instance, you know you barely see anyone in the revisionist movement ever talking about philosophy or psychology and very few ever talking about catastrophism and they should be! And it would help their work to do so When I first came into the movement nobody but nobody was even speaking about Ireland and the incredible reservoir of knowledge that you get from studying the Irish Celts not the Celts but the Irish and then the Celts and so on You know as I say its because its partly early days yet

1:48:24 half the greatest books on any of these subjects have only come out within a very short period of time. Remember I was saying about the healing and that we were in a short early period of time? That's also corroborated by the fact that some of the greatest discoveries have only been made in about last 20, 30 years and even some people could argue within 20 years. Some of the great authors I would mention their books have only been out including my own within a very very short period of time So again you know even though there has been great champions before it is only now especially in the field of Judaism, for instance. Right now we have many Jews themselves blowing the whistle on the lie of Israel and on the lie of you know the Israelites Jewish men people I can mention

1:49:09 and have mentioned. Actually Jewish authors themselves like Shlomo Sand and others who are coming out from within these organizations, showing you yeah it's built on lies it's built on mind control there isn't any science to back it up and the science that has been handed to you is bogus science it's all propaganda you know? There's a huge propaganda machinery at loose in the world so um... The one thing I will say is that yeah I do in fact read the books I just don't read like a comment or two Amazon website or whatever, you know I really buy the books. I read them and study meticulously and try to then summarize the best parts of the book so if people go to my astro-theology site or that Irish arts insight and go those appendices areas they will see very detailed summaries of some great books You know there were cost a lot for people to buy and a helluva lot of time to read

1:50:00 And even if you did read it, you might not even be able to summarize or realize why this book is important. I've done that work myself for a lot of people to go on my websites and check it out and on a little bit lesser level in the forum I try to do the same thing but that certainly does mean that I have my favorite authors there's some pretty standard authors are absolutely crucial, absolutely crucial to know about I'm excited to go and check it all out. I mean, I've checked that obviously in this week since talking to you have been just hitting your material as hard as possible because I asked you after watching Architects in Control and I was shocked that you were willing to come on the show and talk to us about this stuff and its great! I appreciate immensely but I guess to wrap up and let's you carry on with your day just wrap it up like what are you working on right now?

1:50:49 Lots of things as a set the tree of life and trying to get that together. And we're revising all my three books doing it just normal update on those and various dvd projects slowly working on those i mean a lot of online stuff so some believable you know not a moment There's not even a moment to blink, it's just such a busy time right now. Well I really appreciate you coming on and doing this because this is very educational for me so...I just wanted to say thank you! Well thank you and we'll certainly if your up to do it again there are lots of other areas to go into so be happy too It's always a pleasure for me to speak with people who actually know things

1:51:27 And i have questions about it as opposed to host you really don't have a clue in our and haven't got the right motives. Here's the people that do a lot of interviews and i actually do not, do a lot of conferences or interviews for the very purpose of you know what the people just don't have integrity or their out for themselves are what might be so you know i'm always glad to come on when there is knowledge there and there's eagerness so you know, thank you for giving me that time as well. Of course yeah I mean i'm obviously a layman we're both laymen but you know we have an incredible interest and...I mean I feel fulfilled today of course! Well see I am also a layman I always maintain and say clearly that I am no expert on any of these things the jury is always out I could be wrong in everything We are all in a problem In fact so much my work is collaborative people send me stuff on a daily basis sometimes hundreds and hundreds of things a week

1:52:19 That's one thing. And secondly, I'm always keeping an open mind. I always think that what I've seen and what I've learned... Of course you proceed by assuming that you're right otherwise you couldn't move out of bed in the morning but you'll always keep the intellectual openness to realize that not only could you be completely wrong but you need to always be actively thinking about the opposite position that you are taking. And I do that a lot! And I think a lot of people do not do this they become obsessed, but I don't strong when I advocate what I believe to be the case, but I always personally keep an open mind to say yeah well maybe that's completely opposite. In fact what is the opposite? Let me study that and then as I said by going through all of these different books they come out, I'm also very aware of all this information. I am also very aware if you don't do what I do and you don't help people go to the right sources they're gonna probably swamped with all this disinformation because now that The Big Brother has understood there is gigantic movement throughout the world

1:53:18 looking for this truth and digging deeply, they have unleashed their own robots through the publishing orgs to write books that apparently are also revelatory in nature. And this goes right across the board. I don't care if it's about Judaism or the Knights Templar, or Magdalene and the Grail and whatever else...and yet those books are loaded with disinformation to put you off on the wrong track So my work is also very deconstructive in that way as well It's to point you in the direction of the great minds that you totally need to have in your library but also be kind of wary of those who are unleashed by the beast so to speak to have extremely high-level publishing deals, and this even goes for the media. This even goes for the type of shows that are now being produced on BBC and PBS in America that are dabbling into this occult stuff that Jordan Maxwell and others like myself have been dealing with for years and years and years. They're literally plagiarizing it directly plagiarizing it and then putting it on there with their own little goon

1:54:16 and then trying to tell, you know going out to the millions who have never seen this before and then believe that oh isn't it wonderful that the BBC have finally told us the truth about Jesus in The Crucifixion or the cults of the ancient world. And though that poor guy sitting there in suburbia hasn't a faintest idea that people lived and died and sweated blood to bring that knowledge out from the recesses of the underworld but now you click on your remote control and there's a BBC doing it What is the discovery channel doing so that also needs to be taken in mind as i'm glad information is out better than not being on. But at the same time it's the means by which it's coming up so you're asking me about your layman and you just have this radio show, it's crucial that people with integrity who will even have a person like me or jordan on

1:55:02 You don't even know the good that you're doing because right now our knowledge is being eclipsed and plagiarized and appropriated by the mainstream who are taking, who are doing it precisely so that people like us don't get our time on mainstream television. They're absolutely making sure that our voice doesn't reach the public And one of the ways to do that is to homogenize the knowledge. I know it sounds strange if you're not familiar with this, but this is what they do. The mainstream plays a game and walks in rhythm with you to find out. It always has its fingers on the pulse of what's happening in the underworld because it knows that that's where the mavericks are. That's where... If those people were given 10 minutes of TV time, the world would change on its axis man! So they cut you off at the pass so to speak

1:55:46 So, in order for me to have two hours to speak freely and openly and without censorship on any public format is a very brilliant thing. It's not to be underestimated at all so again you should feel good about that. The age of the internet! Exactly. Well anyway guys thank you very much again. Of course anytime this was amazing Thank you very much. All right, thanks have a good day! You too best of luck with the show uh you'll be able to get me a copy right? Sure yeah I'll send you a link when it's up Thanks man okay thank you