THC 103: Frater X | Bankster Thugs, The Nephilim, & The Global Enchantment

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How's it going, Ironside Chatters? You know the drill. Smoking a little smoke drinking a little drink from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and today we're gonna swing back into the dark world of esoteric secret societies and their manipulation of everything We know spirituality culture language commerce education nearly every aspect of the modern human experience has been shaped by their grubby little fingers And I for one want to know more about it

00:55 But for an outsider, understanding the clear truth is like navigating a near infinite labyrinth of smoke and mirrors. And lucky for us today's guest Frater X is a member of over nine secret societies in esoteric orders, and he's going to break it down for us the best he can. But my feeble mind just isn't qualified to go at alone so joining me here in the THC studio as my good friend and occasional co-host publisher of Paranoia Magazine, The Holy Scriptures themselves you know him? You love him Ron Patton how are ya? Hey I'm doing quite well Greg thanks for having me on Of course, well man it's been a sad 48 hours for me honestly. I mean just two nights ago on the eve of the Blood Moon one of the boldest voices for The Voiceless A brilliant teller of truth and powerful guest we had on CHC just 2 months ago Michael C Rupert signed off from his own podcast The Lifeboat Hour and took his own life with a gunshot to the head

01:48 And it really pains me because I feel like Mike was dealing with the frustration of dedicating himself to fighting the corrupt power structure for decades, watching the planet and society decay and seeing 95% of people stand by do nothing. And I sympathize with that! It's just kind of a sad day for our team isn't it? Yeah, Michael's been around for a while and I think he has had a lot of profound influence on conspiracy researchers. He definitely stood the test of time as far his credibility and willingness to reveal the truth

02:25 Yeah, I mean i've already seen several alternative news sites and people come out and say you know don't believe the hype that it was a suicide. And I just say you know sometimes things really are just what they seem to be and I'm not really surprised that he would do that It seems like if you watched Apocalypse Man If you listen to his recent interviews he seemed like he had given up. I mean, in our interview I asked him where's the hope for the future and he basically said there is none we are in a situation of accepting defeat and when someone is in that mind state to hear something like this would happen isn't super surprising although it is super frustrating to lose such a powerful voice in the alternative movement you know someone I really think we needed when our numbers aren't very strong anyway

03:14 Right, and you know unfortunately there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there. Every time there is some sort of big event or somebody in the conspiracy research community dies they automatically think that it was a conspiracy but what I like to do is wait for awhile and let things kind of filter through and look at information from both sides, weed out the crap and then hold on to what seems credible. Again unfortunately I think he did take his own life If you don't have hope... What do you have to live for really? That's what it comes down too

04:03 But I myself am hopeful and hopefully, I'll stay that way. Rest in peace Michael Rupert. Yeah man well depressing news aside before we bring Fredericks in here what's been going on the paranoia world? Well I recently moved to a bigger store it's basically in the same building on 630 C Street in downtown San Diego So that's good. And then I last night, I just put together the final roster for the upcoming ParanoiaCon which is going to be August 2nd and 3rd

04:46 and in the same building I have my store in so, I'm pretty excited about that. So I'll have all that information on my website which is www.paranoiamagazine.com And then also to sort of coincide with that I am going to be sponsoring an art show at the same time as a comic con so that will be mid July and the title of the art show is called Paranoia, Mind Control and The Art of Illusion. So I'm really excited about those two upcoming events!

05:23 Yeah man, those things sound awesome. The first ParanoiaCon was great! Spent a lot of time hanging out with Adam Gouraily and Olav Phillips who the audience should be familiar with It was also the place where I met Lenin Honor who has been one of my favorite guests on this show So I would really encourage people to come out to that and support the alternative movement And meet some of these speakers that you hear on podcasts such as this one Well anyway, that said I'm really looking forward to it and FrederX today's guest is going to be a speaker there. And i think he is ready for us to bring him in so here's a little plug for the THC Money Bomb for anyone who wants to play the game and help the show at the same time. Ron and I will be on the other side with Secret Society socialite FrederX

07:46 And while we live in a powerful age of information, it's increasingly difficult to find the truth and clarity among the various roadblocks of propaganda and misinformation. That is one of the main reasons why we brought in today's guest—a crucial researcher, lecturer, author for these troubled times, and personal member of nine different esoteric orders including the Knights Templar, The Ancient Order of the Druids, and Masonic Roja Christians just to name a few He's a master of masonry, a secret society socialite and teller of sacred truth. Fredericks welcome to the show! Thank you so much Greg I'm just excited to be here. I'm glad that we could finally get this interview. Sorry about the reschedule but when you get sick nature takes over and you can't really call the shots ya know? Yeah man no worries, no worries. Super psyched to have you here as well.

08:33 I like you and I like your work, but a lot of listeners will hear member of nine secret orders and get a little bit skeptical. We've had masons on the show before who usually paint their brotherhood in a positive light kind of equating them to nothing more than a couple of buddies having a beer and reading up on the hermetic texts But clearly some of these folks they've shaped our world for the worse with so much deceit How can you tell who's really on the right side of the people man? Well, you know that's a really good question and that's what we'll set about to do in this chat today is try to unpack that. And rest assured all your listeners can think of me as an infiltrator I mean I'm about on the precipice of complete resignation from most of the Masonic orders as we speak. I've already started to withdraw from different orders

09:24 Honestly, one of the main reasons is economics. You got to keep up with these dues and all these orders it costs a lot of money and I really can't afford it personally. The whole quest that I had was for knowledge and quest for understanding to try demystify this whole thing exactly as you said, there are plenty of people that can tell you oh, Masonry is just a buncha old guys planning a barbecue or pancake breakfast and charitable organizations. Yeah it is all that too but what people don't realize is that when somebody joins Masonry, that opens them up for membership in some say over 1,000 different side orders and organizations that you don't even know exist until they tap you to join

10:07 Yeah man, that's one of the weirdest aspects of it and sometimes it seems almost like... like trivial, all these different offshoots. Kind of like offshoots of religions you know Baptist Lutheran and it's a little bit silly it's like what are you... What so different? Like why do we need all this? And I kind of get that vibe from masonry secret societies as well but what are the major differences here and at the top are they all working together towards the same goal or are they all fighting for pieces of the power pie how exactly is this situation structured I think it's a little bit of both those things, but you can think of it as one of those Russian dolls where the doll fits inside the doll which fits inside the doll all the way down until you got this really tiny doll. That is like the smallest little group of bankster thugs that are like in this little side order called The Brotherhood Of Banksters

11:02 or whatever, I don't even know what they are because i'm not a bankster. You know what I mean? But you got to be one to join right and that's how it is. It's all about misdirection of awareness and keep the three-card Monty follow the queen, keep it moving so you never really know... All you know is one guy seems to be a member of all these specific groups and he's also in the trilateral commission or the council on foreign relations too Or he's in the Century Club, or he's former CIA. Which is not real, you can't really be a former CIA... But right at the very top of Masonic education in America today Is S. Brent Morris who I personally met outside Washington DC Who told me right to my face that he was in the CIA cryptography department

11:53 and that he was you know that's is that was his job when he wasn't writing the complete idiots guide to freemasonry which is what he wrote and thats what he said. He's a guy, you see the bald guy on History Channel or any of those with the has a bird face with glasses yeah and he's freakishly tall too by the way I don't know if it has anything to do with anything but But yeah, guys. I mean bottom line is there is a secret war on human consciousness and that's my battle cry right now. I'm promoting that. I wrote an article that was published in Paranoia Magazine the fall issue. I was so psyched to be apart of the 50th anniversary JFK assassination issue of Paranoia magazine which I consider a prestigious conspiracy reader among all the other literature out there you know? And glad to have our friend Ron Patton with us right?

12:44 Hey Frederax, I'm really honored that you were able to write for us for that particular issue and you have another article coming up don't ya? Yeah, you're like come on now. Where is it? All right? Yeah, I'm working on a new article It's uh we call it fallen angels basically It's giants monsters and dark occulted mystics in America where I'm talking about this very thing You know looking at the dark side of politics and social engineering you know and how it all fits in with these fraternal what you know Western tradition fraternal orders and How the concentric rings

13:22 line up really, and lead us to this military-industrial complex empire we're all trying to survive in today. Right? Right! So what are you going to be talking about at the ParanoiaCon this coming August? Well, you know I actually just came back from Austin Texas where I kind of touched upon a lot of the stuff that i'm going to go over in the research. Basically everything I had to say it was funny like they were so receptive to the talks about well first of all let's talk about the Nephilim I don't know how many people out there even know what this term is, but it's a real hot topic right now. As a matter of fact It's one of the tag terms that is the highest hitter on my all my you know media outlets online Nephilim fallen angels Noah the flood You know black magic all these things are connected

14:19 And I just did a show about Noah, the Nephilim and the flood on a different radio interview. And it's online you can find it very easily just by real quick search but we're going to touch upon a lot of this in the new article and presentation at ParanoiaCon We're gonna talk about... It says it's like a hidden history that's right within, you know hidden in plain sight once again but exiled from the Bible, for example. But in many cultures around the world and it turns out right here in America! It turns out you know in the 19th century they were digging up giant and weird strange creature remains all over America with impunity and everyone was completely okay with the idea that there was races of giants running around on North America thousands of years ago

15:10 I mean, even Abraham Lincoln gave a speech in the 1840s where he mentioned the giants who were peering at the mound-building giants of North America and how long ago they had been looking at Niagara Falls because he was at Niagara Falls giving his speech. So he made this offhand reference to the giants and the connection with the mound builders, which people who don't realize there are thousands of them. There are mounds all over North America which have been attributed to various cultures and tribes of Indians and ancient civilizations that it just goes on and on in speculation But what we know for certain is that the evidence has been suppressed. Every account I've looked into with talks of giants or strange creatures that have been dug up in America, we find the Smithsonian Institute steps in and takes over everything, takes all the evidence and sweeps it all away and its like rolled into that big room where they've got you know the Ark of the Covenant with all the boxes with no labels on them ya know?

16:10 They're like, oh it's gone. We don't know what happened to it but out there in California right on Catalina Island off the coast of LA there was a giant museum that was run by the Wrigley family until the 30s in America. No way really? Yeah they actually exhumed thousands of giant remains out of caverns on Catalina Island created a giant museum and they were selling pieces of giant bones in the gift shop They had 500 photos of all the evidence, people from all over the world came and viewed them. And then the Smithsonian Institute carted away all the remains after they shut it down in the 30s? Never saw any that stuff again just gone!

16:50 I mean there was one giant remain that was pulled out of a hole in the ground right on the border of Ohio and Indiana, that was 18 feet tall. He had a 9 foot long iron sword and an iron helmet And people from all around, hundreds of people came and viewed it in a big... you know they sold tickets for tourists to come and look at it. And then it was carted off by the Smithsonian Institute never to be seen again! I mean what? It just keeps going on and on now why do I keep talking about giants? I mentioned the Nephilim right well in the scripture in Bible Old Testament Genesis chapter 6

17:28 There is a reference to when men began to multiply on the earth and the daughters of Adam were born, the sons of God or the sons of heaven saw how beautiful their daughters were. And they took them for their wives And they bred with them and they created these what they said in one you know depending on the translation one of them says Giants monsters strange beasts heroes of renown so heroes over noun is thrown in with Monsters and strange beasts and giants, you know like Hercules or you know Percy answer the thesis or any of those guys?

18:04 And what we have is a real dot connector, if you will. Because you start realizing that when you look at all the cultures of the world, you have these stories of demigod-like heroes and supermen that do these amazing things and you wonder where that comes from? Well there's this monomyth maybe that these giants or these beings came down from the heavens and bred with the daughters of Adam, right? And had half-breed hybrids that they called the Nephilim. The beings that came down in this scripture like in the book of Enoch which is a non-canonical text And you know meaning it doesn't, it's not included in the Bible canon but it was still a book that... You know Jesus mentioned Enoch something like 30 plus times in the New Testament. I mean he was a very important figure but for some reason they saw fit to exile that book But the Book of Enoch of course was in The Dead Sea Scrolls and it was in fact you know It was a book that was very very important you know? But according to The Book Of Enoch

19:07 That was the real reason for the flood, that these watchers came down. They were called the Watcher's, they came down and bred with humans and also taught them a bunch of dark spooky stuff. According to the book Enoch they taught black magic and necromancy and all those strange arts that were out of order heaven and the order of things at a time. Now we're just looking at one version of events, but there's more than one if you look across the cultures into even in America back with the Mesoamerican tribes, you had many Indian cultures... The Paiute Indians ... There was a book written in 19th century called Life With The Paiutes

19:51 where they talked about fighting a giant race. They had to actually kill them because they were eating humans, they were cannibals and they were eating all the food and eating the humans and they were monsters so they had to drive him into a big cavern in the ground and then they burned him up they burned them out. And I mean, that's the pie you see there. So every culture has this reference to killing off giants a long time ago. So okay what is the point? The point is when you look at secret societies one of the main reasons why I got involved in researching the rituals and ceremonies is because the secrets that are contained within secret

20:29 what are the secrets? What's the kernel, what's the seed truth in the very center that this whole system has been unfolded and developed out of. Well what you find when you look in the center is a perennial theme over and over again certain symbols certain emblems certain themes being repeated and one of them is interaction with preternatural beings that are extra dimensional if you will hyperdimensional they call them egregores It's a strange term it comes from the Greek it goes back to though the Watchers to the three angels To the euvangelium, the messengers of the divine but it's a sort of dark side to it. Basically how it goes is this

21:18 In the book of Enoch, it talks about God actually caused the flood to happen to wipe out all the blasphemy. All the abominations that have occurred with the breeding of angels and man... And this I imagine as a time like Conan with sorcerers and temple set, you know all kinds of crazy stuff going on. But during that time they wiped them out. And the thing about these Nephilim, these offsprings of angels and man... They're half divine and half earthbound, half mortal! So when they were killed off their souls were bound to the earth. This is the legend that's in the Book of Enoch. They could not be released

21:58 So these spirits of the dead Nephilim actually become, in my thinking and in many other people's thinking, the evil spirits that haunted humanity for the last couple millennia. And you know one more thing to say it to cap that off but people don't realize is the Nephilim and then Watchers were interacting on the earth for over a millennium Because from the time of Jared in the Bible to the time of Noah, and Noah was 600 years old they said in the Bible when the flood happened. From the time of Jared to that time of Noah who Jared was Noah's great-great-great grandfather his name means born in the time of the descent meaning the time of The Watcher's descent so from that time to Noah was 1196 years That's how long The Watcher interacted with humanity before the flood happened

22:45 So, you think about that. These evil spirits and you wonder about rituals and groups of people that come together to do a thing in ritual pattern over and over again And what kind energy thought being would form around especially with the intent of some individuals not being the best intentions Yeah, man. That's a powerful story there! I mean, I've heard a lot of that before from other guests who talk about some of the secrets within these orders and it just seems weird to me because...I wonder what the real goal is? Because in modern times, I would assume it's just wealth and power and control but it always seems to be so rooted in things like biblical texts and ancient texts and traditions and symbols

23:31 And I just wonder if all that is really so necessary for wealth control and power. What happened really, if you want to put it into a grand scale for expansive view right now of the latest human history. I think 10-13 thousand years ago there was a giant worldwide cataclysm probably one of many but a really big one and it really wiped out a lot stuff. It wiped everything out in most people 90% probably and the ones that were left were like in post traumatic stress disorder shock

24:10 You know, and so I mean all of humanity as a whole collective consciousness was probably knocked offline. And at that point there was some other extra species consciousness...I don't know if it was outside or inside but it was a pathogen, a mind virus that infested our species And this predator understood human mindscape and understood that we could be brought back online in a safe mode like after our computer crashes. It kept the really, really simple applications and platforms you know? And then like this collective disorder would divert enough of humanity away from its

24:50 tribal hunter-gatherer subsistence existence into a city state control structure where accumulation and profit is gold. That existence where authority was justified by a select priesthood that was chosen for its obedience and its skill with perpetuating the ruling paradigm that just reinforced by military might of the state, whether it be a dictatorship or a republican. A republic really makes no difference right? Because you just need to have like the control meme you know like a civic mythology that just keeps everybody in line and so we are really really susceptible to suggestion humanity as a species were very very highly prone to error

25:34 We make mistakes, you know we make mistakes. I make mistakes all the time right and we're prone to that and we're prone to novelty too! We're prone to doing crazy things like completely off the wall and out in left field like didn't see that one coming You know what? I mean? That's a good thing though really That's what's gonna save us in my mind because the control structures don't know what to do with novelty They don't know how to handle, you know completely off the wall behavior on you know You know unpredictable behavior non-compliance unpredictable. Non compliance is the way of the revolution as far as I'm concerned I'm with you man and that that explanation makes a lot of sense to me too

26:12 I mean, considering the secretive nature of these orders and the Masonic connections to being architects and builders there seems to be an element of pushing the planet towards a global disaster like another cataclysm today so that they can come in. And once the slate has been wiped clean now their traditions of building and architecture would be very useful and they could quickly start rebuilding and get us under their thumb again you think that's the reason for orders remain such secrecy over centuries and generations to be in that power position? Absolutely. You're hitting upon some really important factors because see what we know is, is that a long time ago catastrophe was commandeered and utilized to coerce humanity through fear into like routine patterns of mediocrity you know steeped in narrow bandwidths of potentiality like what's possible

27:07 right you know retroactively invokes a genetic memory in us all because who were the most important people after disasters? Builders! People who can rebuild. You want the guy that knows how to build right up front and he's like, get him calling the shots So who becomes the leader? A builder, you know because he can call the shots. He tells you what to do You guys go over there and get rocks. You guys go over there and get wood. You guys start digging a hole We're gonna make a house right here. That's why they assume the position of hierarchy The priesthood is the builders And so they're invoking that memory in us from the past but absolutely keeping us always anxious

28:05 for the coming shortage, the great limitation of cataclysm that's coming. Everybody be afraid! Be very afraid it's gonna happen any second the world is going to open up wide we're all gonna fall in Yeah man, it seems like fixing society today would be insurmountably hard because the manipulation is so powerful and multi-layered and so embedded in our culture and our knowledge of history. Even our very language is manipulated to make us think one way or another It seems so hard to get the programming out of anyone I mean do you think this could ever be done? Yeah, you know George Orwell wrote an article called the politics of language. You know and there's a book called General Semantics by Alfred Korzybski which talks about how language is used to structure reality Robert Anton Wilson talks a lot about that as well you know this is the reality folks we are living in the most

29:02 mentally controlled period of humanity, I think. And it's helped along tremendously by the internet obviously because for every service the internet provides it also enslaves us all because we're all caught up in a consensual reality right? 100% agree. I'm seeing that more and more. I used to think the internet was the global elite biggest mistake but now I'm seeing more tools of use for their side Cause everybody revels in the information age and it's a delightful time but I feel like we're falling into another dark age. You know, where really people are... In the land of the blind one-eyed man is king and i'm feeling pretty kingly! You know what im saying? Yeah man

29:45 I mean, it's what it comes down to. And you know getting into it when you talk about is there any hope? You know It's like...I don't know Greg! I don't know because man listen we had a revolution in this country 250 years ago, give or take whatever but what happened right? Before the Revolution even ended The Bankster Thugs already had a charter for Central Banks set up in America before they even signed the Treaty of Paris And that's the real core issue here I keep talking about. Bankster thugs, because it is that mentality of creating wealth out of nothing and feeding upon the production of others. That's what banks are all about. They're wealth extraction devices

30:26 They're brought in to prevent people from prospering. I mean, that's the key and we saw it happen in America right away first You know the first central bank in America was founded by Alexander Hamilton right you know he was thought to be a friggin Illuminati agent even then Rothschild agent right He sets up a central bank. It fails completely! They didn't even renew the first charter because all it did was cause financial ruin in its wake, I mean it was the worst possible thing that could have happened and so what do they do? They set up another one right? They set up another one this time they give it a longer charter so it can't be shut down as quick right same thing 1811 when they were supposed to renew the charter they wouldn't renew it Congress would and guess who made a big stink about

31:14 about it. Nathan Rothschild, English banker from the international bankster thugs he actually threatened America and said if you don't do this then we're going to friggin...you'll be blood in the streets right? Everybody knows what happened 1812 we went to war and what happens when we go to war? We go into debt to bankers because we borrow money for the war And then when we got out of the war they wrote up the papers and signed we had to sign a charter for another central bank right there That's how the whole thing was planned to get us back onto a central banking system so that we get to when, to the turn of the century you know Jekyll Island and the birth of the Federal Reserve Banking System which is the perfection of wealth extraction. And the first thing that happens right in 1933 FDR is made president they go ahead and they put out the 1934 Gold Act

32:06 which tells all Americans they have to surrender their gold immediately, or they'll be put in jail for 10 years and they get $20.66 per ounce of gold that they turn in right? So when the Federal Reserve ends up with all the gold then they turn around and two years later they raise the rate of gold from $20.60 to $35 an ounce which makes a three billion dollar profit for the Federal Reserve And then after that, that's the last time they audit the gold in Fort Knox. Nobody even realizes what happens very quietly for the next 50 years is they shift the gold from Fort Knox into the vaults of the Federal Reserve under the auspices of collateral for continued money production and you know, the debt created from interest on the bills that their printing for us

32:53 And so when Ronald Reagan tries to bring us back on the gold standard, they do an audit. Well they can't even do a real audit, they're not allowed too it's like all these you know red tape and everything but what they find out number one is there is no gold in Fort Knox It's all in the Federal Reserve! And their holding as collateral for all of the money that we owe them now for doing what Congress can already do according to the Constitution right? But that's really what it is about, and that is the sad and simple truth. I used to think there was some... you know.. There are some dramatic and scary stuff going on all over the place we can speculate and recount all kinds of crazy tales of dark occult mysticism everywhere but in the bottom line seems as if its just about money and banks and greed

33:41 Right and fraud Rx there has within recent history. There's been a few conspiracy researchers surmise that there are like 13 Illuminati families that essentially run the world. One being Johnny Todd back in the 1980s and more recently Fritz Springmeier who wrote a book called The Thirteen Illuminati Bloodlines What do you think of that theory? Is there any credence to it? Well, I think so. First of all, I've met Fritz at the Free Your Mind Conference too. He's a really great guy with gentle spirit and man is just amazing his life story and what he has gone through in his ability to be as positive as he is. It's amazing! Really it's testament I think that you know what the human will can accomplish and overcome but he definitely has hit upon something. I don't know what the numbers are. I have heard all kinds of different 80 families

34:41 the 13 families but in the end yeah there's definitely a and it's a bankster family that's what it is. It's a financial institution family, a legacy of financiers who are you know the ones setting the standards you know they're just basically probably possess all the most important resources and all the gold Yeah, and dude in your free your mind conference presentation You did a great job of breaking down all the false flags that have dragged us down a war path for almost all of America's existence which you just Chronolized in terms of financing and gold but this stuff I guess it shouldn't be news to anyone here. You know we should all be kind of awakened to that pattern But how do you see them?

35:24 twisting it for modern times. I mean, what's the trajectory of their plan? Do you see any new tricks that they're working on that we should be aware of?" Well, I think that its old tricks being rehashed and reapplied... Yeah reintroduced It's always about co-opting trends and cycles, you know, and fads and points of... Sorry to cut you off but do you think that right there is their management of that novelty you were talking about That's the way that I think, that's the way they keep us captivated is by inserting as much of their own counterfeit stimuli right alongside whatever is driving the latest novelty. So there's constantly an overlaying and overlaying and overlaying

36:12 That's why you see so many formulaic media vehicles. It's all formulaic, it's all retrofit, retrograde... You keep seeing remakes of everything and here you see the new version of an old theme. It's always like that because that keeps us thinking in those ways! So when they put out a deliberate evocative theme something they want you to think about like exploiting Masonic or Egyptian iconography using that. In 1970, SRI the Stanford Research there they put out a report telling the government that the best way to hurt American collective consciousness was to use Masonic and Egyptian iconography you know and then we were all headed in the 21st century toward mass awakening if you wanted our shepherds in one direction or another then you better use these symbols and emblems to do it

37:01 And look what happened. Look at the movies and music and television, saturated in Masonic and Egyptian iconography for the last 30 years 40 years right? Yeah yeah it's weird because I do see that symbolism but like i want to talk about that for a little bit because I mean, we're used to seeing the symbolism used by secret orders and corporate overlords in media and movies. And it almost seems like superstitious in a way. How would you explain the power of symbolism to people? Is there a way people can use the same energies that apparently back these symbols for good in their own life?

37:38 Okay, well one way to look at it I think is this with all spiritual or metaphysical systems like systems of approach that are trying to make contact with Beyond that which lays beyond the physical beyond the five senses right so you're trying to make Contact or have an effect or impact from that direction and in doing So it's a reflective nature the whole as above so below right? So it's it's reflective What symbols represent to us here are our ideas and people are the living things. But in the spiritual realm, the symbols and emblems are the living things and people represent aspects or ideas of characteristics of self

38:24 Does that make sense? It does, it does. But I just wonder if people haven't been introduced to the meanings behind these symbols how does it still have an effect because it's already imprinted in us. I believe in genetic memory we are consciousness We have a core consciousness that were all rooted too I believe. Were all slices or divisions or copies clones, if you will of a greater whole. And in the division contained within each piece is the whole entirety, the greater reality within each piece in that sense, if you grasp my fractal reality and so in that

39:06 We have everything contained within us. We are in fact a living symbol ourselves of the Divine on that level, so we are the living symbol ourselves and contained within almost like a living breathing sigil which is a layered symbol, a symbol upon symbol upon symbol. So it's little abstract I know but in the end we have those symbols already imprinted or encoded within our consciousness Yeah, that I mean that seems to make sense as I start to learn more about the symbols themselves and the history behind them starts To be easier to step outside of The situation and kind of look at what's happening And that is something I've had a previous guest say as well That by exposing the magic by exposing the symbols their spell is is lessened which I think that's part of all of our awakening process and I guess that's really the best thing we can do with it

40:00 Yes, it is. It is because it sort of demystifies you know, it did sort of dispels the effect We are under a global enchantment here. It's a mass enchantment, you know? And true secret societies in the best sense was about sequestering and preserving human knowledge while humanity went through whatever dark age it was currently under the throes of. And then what is sort of like an ebb and flow to human consciousness there is a time when humanity kind of just like you know, shrinks back into caves and underground and wants nothing to do with anything highfalutin or higher thinking. You know it's all barbaric or whatever right? And then eventually people start to come back to that way of wanting to explore those other concepts in higher ideals. So the secret societies are just groups that form around the ideas to maintain and preserve. That was them the intention

40:54 The problem is that there are those who were involved in that, who broke away and decided they were going to use the same tools to enslave and entrap people. You could say, to use simplified terms it's like having the light on the dark side of Star Wars you know? And then you've got the illuminators, the illuminators are the Jedi! the way showers, the light guides. The ones that lead people to their own full integration and self-actualization you know? While the other school, the Sith they're like the Illuminati, the captivators they entrap and enslave their inherits bind them to false realities, to lies

41:37 to dead end rabbit holes and little cul-de-sacs of awareness and knowledge that keeps them caught up in the simulated, inorganic chaos. The Greeks had a term for it they called it the stereoma. The stereoma was the counter clock world that Philip K Dick talks about I think we all know which one is so called masters at this world the powers that shouldn't be prefer you know what school their using right? Yeah, I mean that's what i was going to ask you next is it seems today that whenever I see these symbols used It's always by a powerful organization or rich organization extracting more wealth from the masses and I'm wondering are there illuminators left or is it all just the dark side? Is there anyone fighting for good still

42:24 Well, you know. I mean George Carlin said once you know it's not all of humanity is bad It's just enough or bad to screw it up for the rest of us but he used a different term You know what I mean? It's like just enough for bad to tip the scales in the wrong direction at seems I like to think you know yeah, I hear you Greg I mean who knows I have I come from an optimistic position I have four children. I have a wife, I have family and we're trying to raise people in this world so i believe that they are there my experience most people are good that I've come into contact with most people that I cross paths with every day or just good law-abiding citizens at you know for the most part that you can let's the laws are stupid and then you know but they but they go about their business they don't want to harm people they don't want exploit people he just wanna be left to do what they wanna do you know when there's nothing wrong with that

43:15 So my experience has been that humanity is not fallen, it's not evil. It is good! But the power that controls humanity is corrupt and a corruption that is in the core of the system, it bleeds out into all the extremities so we're all under the effect of it you can't even get up and go out into the world without being an accomplice, a co-conspirator in this evil that we're engaged in. That's a great point! It is! And it's sad to say but we can do something like we were saying noncompliance, abstract non-compliance. I remember watching an old Terrence McKenna video from back in the 80s, he was at like the Isilon Institute or something and he was breaking down probably similar stuff that we've talked about right here today you know? And he was putting it out there and saying just about exactly what I'm saying like we're totally screwed man! Right?! And the guy in the audience goes well what do we do man!? What's the answer if that's the case? You know...what's the solution

44:14 And without even batting an eyelash, without even thinking about it, McKenna shouts right back or you know he throws it right back at him. Art! Art is the answer. Creativity. You know? Total novelty. Humor. That's the answer that really is. That's why...you know..that's our hope Is that we have that luminous epinoyer that the Greeks call The creative visualization and imagination that's like a spark within each one of us and it can't be controlled. It can't be harnessed except by the individual who possesses it, and then expresses it to everybody else. And that's our only hope is that each one of us gets in touch with that and says you know what I'm not going to play your stupid reindeer games! I'm gonna do this instead. That's what John Lash who wrote a book called Not In His Image he has a website called Metahistory.org He talks about that that the Greeks predicted the Gnostics predicted

45:10 that at the last minute, at the 11th hour when all hope seems lost right before humanity goes into the abyss we'll just say you know what? We'll lift our heads and be like this is a bunch of bullshit. We're outta here! And we'll just shrug off the yokes and walk away and go off into the woods ya know give it up. That's hopeful to me. Yeah, man. I mean that sounds excellent! And when you're talking about the corruption being in the center of the system and it bleeds out... ...I completely vibe with that because I hear a lot of people talking about little things that are wrong this or that on different layers of The Onion and they pose a solution that to me is like no way will that change things? And I start to think about how huge a change we would need to really root out that corruption because it is so

45:58 It's so systematic. It has created a system that incentivizes evil behavior, you know capitalism itself You know the worship of money I mean we All of us in America should feel little guilt each day because people are dying on the other side of the planet So we can have a prettier nicer cleaner cage than the rest of the planet and The whole world is kind of just waiting for us to stop being okay with it I hear you. And the only problem is that American public has been stripped of its critical thinking, and the American public has no capacity to critically think its way out of this situation. It's not surprising because there was a system put into effect a long time ago that was... There's a guy named John Taylor Gatto who wrote a bunch of books, one of them called Underground History of American Education – it's an excellent book but he also wrote another one

46:53 a little book called dumbing us down and in this book he speculates that in colonial america at the time of the revolution at least among the non-slave citizens that literacy was nearly one hundred percent he believes that you know what that's thinking for a moment everybody one hundred percent literacy now yeah mona slave classes he said there were seventy five percents use Now we know that literacy was high because propaganda was the way that the revolution was fought. The famous pamphleteers like Thomas Paine, whose common sense sold 600 thousand copies to three million colonists

47:37 That's a lot of copies to a small, you know only 3 million people. 600 thousand and you know those people handed those out to somebody else so probably 50% of the population got a copy of that right? And that means if you ever read Common Sense that is not light reading! That's not James Patterson or Judith Krantz. But that brings up another point, which is the literacy, the scale of the literacy standard. You try to define literacy today in America? I couldn't do it! I can't find a proper scale to go on... you know, you can't find a qualified

48:13 Speculations based on it's all varied criteria. Yeah, it seems literacy literacy standard today is based more on a Simplified approach to writing as in you are considered literate if you can read and follow instructions On how to build a barbecue Yeah and the other thing FraterX is that our whole education system is so linearly based, you know. Critical thinking or logical thinking has pretty much thrown out the door and so we just pretty much go by rote style of learning wouldn't you agree? Absolutely

48:52 Absolutely. It's all our education system is in America, is obedience training. You learn three things in any school—any public school and most private schools I would say because I've been to both—and most of them have only three things to teach you. Number one show up on time don't be tardy! Don't be late that's like a moral offense it's a moral dilemma you better show up on time that's building bad work skills for the future That's the number one rule. Number two, you better observe your...you know obey your keeper Obey the master, obey the teacher do what you're told and then that's key. Number 2 obedience. Number 3 Do some mindless rote activity till the bell rings and then walk away don't take it with ya like it never happened That's what you learn in America for school I totally agree And another element of schooling thats interesting is we are talking about these

49:48 Secret societies that have been running the show for generations and they're built on a model of cooperation yet if you cooperate within school it's called cheating and it's one of the worst things you can do. It's all individuals but yet behind-the-scenes, it's these groups that really run the show exactly exactly And you know, what you find when I've studied this. I'm writing a book right now called The Secret War Inside Freemasonry and you know where I'm looking at the early founding of compulsion schooling in America. I talked a little bit about it in my article on paranoia and I've talked about it in my different presentations but what we find when we look closely is crazy! There was this one guy he was his name was Davis He was a minister in Rochester New York in 1830 You know right after the William Morgan affair

50:35 and he got run out of town. He was a Unitarian minister who was accused of having a lodge at the Illuminati held in his church And so he was connected to what's this mysterious group of Masons called Scotch Masons, who consider themselves above reproach from any other Mason. They're like a high class Mason within masonry that has you know it's almost like the Supreme Council 33rd they can't be answerable to anybody else and that's what these Scotch masons in history were called and so basically he was associated with them He runs for his life from Rochester, goes across the Great Lake regions

51:12 and ends up in Michigan, where he's appointed the first minister of education in the state of Michigan's new education system which was the first compulsion schooling system in America. And he becomes the first minister of education to try out this new fledgling compulsion schooling system that was then stepped up and expanded across the entire nation Yeah, God it just seems so hard to fight a machine that's that calculated and it's been that well-oiled but um I want to talk a little bit before we go about magic and these elements in these secret societies because We hear about this past. You touched on it earlier a past where positive magic Gnosticism was common among the people and we have this this

52:03 idea in our heads of a past human paradise and I just wonder if this magic was Used today reintroduced to the people because it's made have been it's made to sound almost worthless in modern society at least for commoners, but if it was reintroduced in a positive way and people started practicing some of this Occult knowledge In a widespread way. What kind of effect do you think? It would have is it really that strong well, I think that it's important to realize that magic hasn't gone anywhere. I mean, it may not be in the forefront of our consciousness right? But but it's just a term you know the idea is that these terms like occult magic hermetic esoteric they've all been misapplied misused and misdirected so much that its clouded the true meanings of these things and magic for for the working definition is merely

52:59 causing change in accordance with will, whether it be change of your own personal consciousness or change in your general environment around you. And that's a very pragmatic and utilitarian definition of it. And in that way, we are all conducting magical operations every day of our lives because you're all engaging in activities which were using our will to cause change and that is really what its about but what the difference is magic launches from the belief that potential and possibilities are limitless, and that we have an ability away a route to the metaphysical or the greater reality beyond the five senses. So magic takes it is a tacit belief just like religion does that there is a metaphysical reality, a reality beyond this physical reality that were all engaged in. And so once a person has that belief magic merely is a toolbox

54:00 for which they might become more acquainted with that metaphysical reality. And so from that perspective, for myself I believe that magical teachings esoteric systems spiritual systems occult sciences all those hermetic arts whatever you want to call them the Western occult tradition or the hidden teachings that were forbidden and suppressed for so long by the church These are methods for anyone who feels so inclined to become greater acquainted with their own inner self. And we know that is really, you know above the Oracle of Delphi was the quote of Thales which said, Know thyself and know the secrets of the universe You know that's an implied teaching in Hermetics like as above so below. So these things

54:54 totally relevant because I believe, as do many other thinkers out there. Joseph Campbell was one of them the John Lash I spoke of earlier and many other researchers and writers and media content providers all believe that we've had something vital stripped from our awareness it was part of the process of getting to where we are today in this postmodern world of completely controlled factors optimizing of production value, you know of the human resources. And that's really what we're... it all happened with the Industrial Revolution and that's when things shifted where we began to shift and they was really important. You mentioned earlier about inhumane acts

55:36 where it was really important to condition the human animal, first of all to see himself as an animal and to condition himself to be willing and capable to perform inhumane acts against his environment and his fellow species. Because that's where profit comes from. How far are you willing to go son? Are you a company man? That is what it is all about and so the definition of success, Is the man who is willing to step on their necks and exploit everyone around him You know, the egalitarian spirit that started the fraternal orders that were then co-opted turned into what they are today had the other idea. It was the idea as we said before with the illuminators The idea that we all are a family or brotherhood of humanity and that we should have a safe place where we could come together and enjoy each other's fellowship And not fear being preyed upon by your fellow man sitting next to you

56:35 Because that's the society we live in today, where nobody wants to know their neighbors because they might be just casing the joint trying to rip me off. Yeah, man. We are all so scared of each other and that's what makes it even harder again with this cooperation thing you know the secret societies they're cooperating they're working together they have loyalty to each other above all else and on the outside in the mainstream people are afraid of their goddamn neighbors You know that seems like The mission accomplished where do we go from here? If your gonna be hopeful for the future where do we attack them? What systems do we need to overcome?" Well, again I just keep the same battle cry. It's the same mantra cultivating wisdom and critical thinking within is the only hope for each person. To be able to really cultivate a sense of knowledge and wisdom from what's available around you so that you can discern the BS that's being presented to you by the state and by those who would call themselves your keeper

57:32 And that's if you are aware enough or in passion enough to even care because a lot of people today are just asleep behind their digital devices. I mean it's just and we're all lulled into this false sense of security but its mired in a really terrible sense of shortage and scarcity. You know, we're all convinced by the petrochemical companies that the only viable energy we have comes from this really limited resource you know? This petroleum and coal whatever resource right but it's ridiculous! We're surrounded by energy all around us but we've been lulled into this narrow bandwidth of potential possibilities where we won't believe what Mark Twain said. Mark Twain said it is far easier to

58:17 fool a man than to convince him he's being fooled. Yeah, that's that's a great statement I love that quote yeah but i guess the only thing is to me sometimes I get frustrated that we're in a perpetual state of education and you know if I was in The Elite and I was running this show and some of the slaves started to listen to shows like this and listen to researchers like yourself As long as they just did that and there was no real action, I guess i'd be okay with it. You know sometimes I worry that this the community as a whole is Is like in this uh educational circle jerk and Meanwhile we're still every day being manipulated in the same way. Oh Greg you make a great point! I think it's really important We watch out for that. We're always in the potential for atrophy

59:04 You know, with every moment of growth and expansion there's contraction. You know? And expiration I mean it's happening all around us and it's easy to be lulled into a you know another false sense of reality and we're that's why in the end right? I mean I really fall back on novelty humor so you know irony yes irony have fun with it guys because guess what that's you It's like that movie, what was it? Life is Good. The guy that was trying to make his kid feel good on the way to the gas chamber or whatever and in a way – what do we really believe about reality? That's what it comes down to because I believe once you start looking at these higher concepts that are packaged within these systems and become acquainted with them come into contact with the real true circuitry of the cosmos

59:55 You start to find yourself realizing that we're just coagulated light, that we merely are slowed down white light waves that are existing in a you know a photonic soup of other bent light waves and you know, particles and molecules that are all intermingling. And when you look at it from a totally different perspective, you end up realizing... It sort of takes off the hook about worrying about things. That's why the Zen Buddhists have it right man! There is very famous koan I memorized long time ago. It says sitting quietly doing nothing spring comes in the grass grows all by itself. That's important. I mean thats really important as far as I'm concerned

1:00:37 Wow. Well man, it has been a blast! I've really enjoyed this interview. I've learned a lot, Ron's learned a lot the people have learned a lot What would you like to give us in terms of info about your website or what you're doing now? What do you got coming up next? Yeah, we just had a DVD release event in Austin Texas couple weeks ago and I have the Secret War on Human Consciousness DVD is available on my website which is middlechamberfx.wordpress.com You can also find myself and my wife who's my co-host of my weekly podcast

1:01:14 The Middle Chamber, which is on Facebook. FreighterX, Mater X and the middle chamber page and we're on Sync Book Radio Network that's where our home network now we've moved from a former network we were broadcasting for a few years on but basically I'm looking forward to August We're going to be at the end of July we are going into the extraordinary technologies seminar conference in Albuquerque, New Mexico and to take some footage and be preparing for the release of another media vehicle which is Conspiracy Science Theater which will be brought from freemantv.com And it's going to be a variety truth or conspiracy video program you know video Variety show yeah It's gonna Be really cool We're gonna do some there's gonna be the video the middle chamber video series is Gonna be on that and we're I'm gonna shoot some footage of the

1:02:07 some summer footage from our travels. We're going to be going to San Diego in August for the ParanoiaCon, and also we're now on build to go to the Olympia Washington Olympia Sync Summit which will be a conference for all the sync book writers from the Sync Book Press are gonna be meeting at Olympia Washington on August 8th and 9th I guess So, we've got a lot of stuff going on and of course I'm working on a new article for Paranoia Magazine. Probably won't make it to the summer issue at this point Ron unfortunately. Hey that's okay no problem look forward to it! Right on man well I totally appreciate you coming on the show I'm looking forward to seeing you here in San Diego with The Paranoia Con just a few months and until then take care excellent thanks again I hope to come back on give you an update in the future all great stuff is happening

1:03:00 Absolutely, man. Enjoy the day! Thank you sir...you too Wow well there we go people pretty enlightening stuff Ron what'd you think of that one? Did you like that I thought it was excellent Frederic's is very articulate Yes compelling It was really mind-boggling though I enjoyed how he was able to break things down You know as far as the evolution and deevolution of human consciousness in a usurping of You know knowledge and wisdom so it was a great show. Yeah, man I loved it and I can never get tired of looking into that stuff. I mean the alternative is pretty vast and seems like we've been manipulated to believe whole

1:03:49 wrong end of the spectrum and it's never boring to go deep into what's possibly the true reality. But I wanted to give you a minute to talk about ParanoiaCon before we get out of here, and You've got a pretty decent lineup. I think you've got most of it kind of fleshed out. You have some topics as well? Do you want to give those to people? Sure, once again the ParanoiaCon will happen August 2nd and 3rd. And I'll have some information on my website within the next few days but i'll have eight speakers so four speakers per day we'll have Marie D Jones who's been on the higher side chats she's going to talk about viral disinformation the mechanics lies rumors and disinformation

1:04:37 We're also going to have Frater X who's going to talk about and elaborate on the secret war on human consciousness. And then Corey Munez from Los Angeles is going to talk about the dangers of GMOs, and sort of an update on the evil corporation Monsanto We'll also have Paranoia writer Naveed Khan who's going to talk about Islamophobia an in-depth look at anti Muslim propaganda and then a good friend of mine, an editor of Paranoia magazine Ilana Freeland is going to talk about her upcoming book which is being published by Ferrel House titled Chemtrails Harp And the Total Dominant Spectrum Of Planet Earth

1:05:24 And then two individuals who I met at the UFO Congress conference back in February are also going to be presenters at the ParanoiaCon. Clifford Mahoody is going to be speaking on extraterrestrial origins from a Native American perspective, and finally David Weatherly Who's going to talk about his book strange intruders anomalous entities of the paranormal once again, you can go to www.paranoia magazine.com For updates on the paranoiac on and it'll be reasonably priced as well

1:06:04 That's awesome, man. I hope we can really blow this one up We got to get out there and hang some posters with that kind of stuff you just mentioned because i don't have a job now so put me to work man! We can definitely make it happen but... I love todays episode thanks to both Frater X and Ron Patton for being here today. I can't wait for the con that about does it for us people, you know, I'm hawking t-shirts over at conspiratees dot net. I know I'm out of a lot of sizes and designs. I'm sorry about that. I'm getting closer to having new designs every day. And of course we're get into the halfway point of this round of The Money Bomb where already hit the $200 mark so 100 bucks from me and 100 bucks from one of you because this is a symbiotic relationship. I couldn't do it without you fine people

1:06:44 And with that, take care of yourself out there and keep the wise words of Michael Rupert with you when you can. I'll see ya next week! Your move Masons! There was a decorated general with the heart of gold, that likened him to all the stories he told. Of past battles won and lost and legends of old A seasoned veteran in his own time On the battlefields he gained respectful fame With many medals of bravery and stripes to his name He grew a beard as soon as he could To cover the scars on his face And always urged his men on But on the eve of a great battle with the infantry in dream, The old general tossed in his sleep and lester with its meaning he awoke from that night to tell what he had seen. Off slowly out of his tent all the men held tall with their chests in the air With the courage and the blood and fire in their stare And it was a grey morning and they all wondered how they would fare Till the ol' general told them to go home

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1:08:27 But the men stood fast with their guns on their shoulders Not knowing what to do with the contradicting orders The general said he would do his own duty but he extended no further The man could go as they pleased, but not a man moved Their eyes gazed straight ahead till one by one They stepped back and not a word was said And the old general was left with his own words echoing in his head He then prepared to fight. He said I have seen the others and i have discovered that this fight is not worth fighting, no. And I've seen them others and will now other to follow me where I'm So take a shower and shine your shoes you got no time to lose You are young man you must be living

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