Steven Snider aka Recluse | Strange Tales Of The Parapolitical

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation, I'm Greg Carlwood

01:27 These are the higher side chats. Alright you cool cats and kittens from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and few things are as obvious as the uncomfortable reality that our world is run by a confusing array of interlocking three-letter agencies fraternal brotherhoods military contractors intelligence operations globalist think tanks private security firms and secret societies because we see their fingerprints on damn near all the major moves made on the global chessboard Coups, assassinations, insurgencies, false flags, drone strikes, secret armies, revolutions resource plunders propaganda and all the rest of it are clearly derived from these viper dens and rat nests of this nefarious Nexus but yet they continue to do what they do shaping the world in their own backwards image with very little resistance or consequence.

02:18 And though it sometimes gets complex and confusing, nobody untangles these interwoven threads on the big conspiracy cardigan better than our returning guest recluse of the Vice Upview blog. He's been here twice before schooling us on Epstein, NXIVM, intelligence blackmail operations, Nazi occultism, deep state magic and the infamous story of The Nine Today we are celebrating the release of his first published book, Strange Tales of the Parapolitical Post-War Nazis, Mercenaries and Other Secret History. It's a collection of intriguing essays from both him and his coauthor Frank Zero

02:54 I know, i'm psyched and it is such a treat to have him back breaking down these little-known aspects of history and the strange groups that have been running these international operations. So let's get into it! The parapolitical poster, the strange tales teller and the deep politics exposor my friend and yours recluse welcome back man Thanks for having me back on. Of course, of course! I love the book, on point as always big congratulations on getting it finished not an easy thing to do and i also understand the desire to not use your real name on stuff like this but should we be calling you S William Snyder or Steven Snyder now? I'm seeing very little consistency across the platforms man

03:36 Yeah, yeah. It just kind of seems like whoever's more comfortable with what but Stephen's fine I kind of use the s William thing as a tribute to my dad Who was another William since he was kind of the one who inspired me to get into this type of research? And I always kind of like those you know first name period middle name type names for authors too so right on yes very cool very cool and So to dive into the book itself, as you say in the intro America is cursed. It was effectively built on Indian burial ground and you note that this is nothing new controlling power centers Christians taking over pagan sites The Nazis thinking they could retake castles and lands conquered by King Arthur for an energetic boost but you say

04:21 So to where the centers of political and economic power built on the bones of those who flourished in pre colonial america, and that's really well written but how do you think. That america today is affected by that unsavory foundation we tend to ignore it but it probably has some pretty relevant implications when you say Oh yeah, I mean it's just you know it's such a blood-stained history in general certainly with the expansion into the new world. The genocide against the Native Americans, the plagues and so on and so forth And even then there were strange happenings here even before the colonists showed up Of course of late I've been looking at all this stuff in my own kind of region of the world here in Appalachia with the Adena and Hopewell

05:12 I mean this is a whole area that can grant the lead was kind of window areas sort of opening into the abyss in his system which would lead into the nightside tree of life or love grafting space gods were you sort of. Have these tribes there the hope will be dean up in the case of the hope well they were signs that use crying stones someone to change john d or something to that effect, So you know there's already the possibility that they're been breaches so to speak in this whole continent. You know well before the colonists got here and i think increasingly it seems evident that these portals whatever you want to call them were probably reopened

05:51 what's much bigger going into the cold war with a lot of the difference you know mk ultra artichoke type stuff that was going on so yeah i mean all this place into the history of this land and just you know. The way so much of this stuff is coordinated it seems like to harness the power of the very geography of this place of just you know its peculiar history. Yes that is all great contacts and so a big part of this book goes deep into the melon family and i love this kind of stuff when the influence of one. Elite family or network in seeing just how many fingers they have been how many different pies,

06:29 And we've heard breakdowns of elite families like Rockefeller, Rothschild and Morgan. But you write that the Mellon family has remained one of the wealthiest and most influential dynasties of the last century. Can you walk people through what it is they built their empire on? And why they're still influential when some of the other big families it seems like their influences waned Sure, well I mean you know like a lot of the kind of storied American dynasties they really rose to prominence in the aftermath that the Civil War The kind of patriarch was considered to be Judge Thomas Mellon. The whole family their kind of power center was long based around Pittsburgh Pennsylvania After the Civil War judge Thomas had founded the Mellon Bank which by 1900 had become the largest financial institution in the United States outside of New York City and

07:22 So you know the kind of banking industry was what really laid the foundation for the family fortunes but they spread into a lot of different industries are coppers and probably most notable golf oil. which is really for two it as they got into that right to really the onset of the twentieth century. And you know obviously the use of oil just explode right around this time is the automobile became more and more prominent than course going into world wars so instrumental national defense and, that really solidified did the economic prowess at the family And that's at least you can maybe draw some parallels to the rockefeller family though a bit of reverse and other moments make their money in banking and then got into oil rock stars did it reverse, whatever. But they had become no essentially just major powerhouse by the early twentieth century and that was when you saw one of them or

08:16 no worthy or notorious members to the point of view and that would be anthony mellon the long standing secretary treasury, post the health nineteen twenty i believe about nineteen thirty two he was there through harding's coolie through hoover. And get credits sometimes in the roaring twenties blame some times for stock market crash in nineteen twenty nine A lot of dispute as to how much infamy he should deserve but that's more of a debate for economists. thing that happened for the melons going into the world war two era was that they were really there at the onset of the emergence but first you know kind of attempt to create a central intelligence group for the united states and i was the office of strategic services there were plenty of melons in their andrew mellon son paul melon was in the ss and there are quite a few in-laws as well i mean all said and done or released

09:10 Really have a dozen or so family members in the sort of hangar ones that ended up in the oss and this mark the beginning of long standing relationship with us intelligence community that families probably continued after this very day. Wow wow yes seems like a tail as old as time to some degree but, For our listeners here it seems like william mellon hitchcock would be one of the most interesting members on that family tree can you tell us a little bit about him specifically. Oh yeah yeah mr billy is apparently known by the help, yeah he had quite a decade there in the nineteen sixties it started out with the shenanigans and the uk with perfume oh, he was the roommate for the infamous private detective thomas corbally they were flatmates

10:00 Depending upon what sort you look at they were either throwing quote-unquote wild parties or orgies out of this particular flat. They, you know befriend Stephen Ward who had the sex ring that would later be exposed by the Profumo scandal in 1963 and Mr Billy and Corbally appeared to have played a part in some of the I guess palace intrigues whatever you want to call it surrounding Harold Macmillan then the sitting Prime Minister Then in nineteen sixty three just as that scandal is starting to blow up which car returns the united states and. Can i begin the second phase of his sixty journey where he became a major sponsor effectively lsd, first you set up timothy leary at the hitchcock estate at millbrook new york

10:47 Not became kind of a psychedelic center i guess leary and company were in trench there from sixty three i think about sixty seven no other strange characters pass through the doors during the time. Hitchcock was living on the ground state, He did apparently frequently hobnob with leary and company took some acid with them but he never really experienced a spiritual moment more profound than wondering how he could make more money on the stock market reportedly. So it's definitely led to a bit of mystery why exactly sponsoring all this in the first place, there was actually his sister peggy hitchcock who had gotten involved with leary at one point she didn't been having an affair with him or something to that effect

11:32 Yeah you know you have all this craziness eventually. Mr billy decided to a victory from millbrook but they apparently weren't that many hard feelings cuz he gave him a couple of grand on the way out so i could get established elsewhere, So anyway, Mr. Billy ends up relocating to California around 1967 he's got a couple of chemists with him and starts making some LSD he hooks up with the Brotherhood of Eternal Love to distribute it and by the end of the decade they have effectively become the largest LSD suppliers in the entire country that was right around the time that Mr. Billy started having some legal problems which possibly went into one of his other ventures at the time

12:15 a gaming conglomerate known as Resorts International. It had its origins in the company called the Mary Carter Pay Company, spent a lot of suspicion that it had been used by the CIA during the whole Bay of Pigs thing. One of the early stockholders was the Republican governor of New York Thomas Dewey he was good friend to the Dulles brothers Alan Dulles and John Foster who both heavily backed his campaigns for the presidency in 48 and 44 so they have that whole thing and then of course headquarters for Mary Carter ended up being in Tampa, which just happened to be the base of operations so to speak for Santos Trafficante. The Florida Don who was using all those anti Castro Cubans as muscle for his own organized crime thing at the same time. So there are all those connections

13:01 force resorts decided to set up shop is a gaming interest in the bahamas and around sixty five they bought paradise island. Interestingly paradise island originally been hog island was turned into paradise island by guy named huntington hartford who would actually known mr billy all these other guys in the uk, He was kind of tied up with the perfume and their steven warden all that craziness as well. It's got a strange thing about resort you see so many guys involved with perfume who turn up in this case is well, But anyway, you know you got resort set up there. You've got these kind of mere landscape guys who were tied into the casino on the mob standpoint There's also these ties to us intelligence community I mean they basically set up one of the first corporate private intelligence companies with intertel which was wholly owned subsidiary of resorts international It's got a bunch of X, you know NSA FBI CIA types in it

13:58 And then of course the CIA itself used resorts operationally for some unknown purpose in 72 or 73. So, I mean this is a really just you know powerful company and it was really kind of middle ground between organized crime and the US intelligence community Eventually also received a curious ceo in the nineteen eighties called donald jay trump but mr hitchcock was the biggest investor and resorts international almost five million dollars in the company Eventually you become disturbed i guess of how the shares were being managed by his bank castle banking trust which. Was also run by an old ss hand paul hello well who would she become the cia's banker in the caribbean for the, no different drug trafficking arms trafficking that kind of thing

14:47 So anyway yeah there was an irs investigation going on called trade winds that was trying to figure out you know all the mechanisms of the mafia was using in the caribbean somebody had a nice time with mr billy is name got leaked and. That did cause a couple of problems that kind of tipped off the whole resorts thing. Might have led to some embarrassing moments such as the fact that Richard Nixon, the sitting president was probably getting a cut of the skim off of the toll bridge leading up to the island. Yeah yeah just some really incredible figures, I mean just show up and all that. Just really throughout the 60s it's just insane all of the things that Hitchcock was tied up in in that one decade. Yeah! I really loved reading that section and the history is definitely interesting you cover a lot of intelligence operations and the propaganda campaigns that surround them And just to kind of try to relate this to the current events we're dealing with

15:44 Gaslighting is a term that comes up a lot in the book and i'm sure many of us have heard this in the context of me too or liberal millennial. Circles but talk to us about not only the meaning of the word but how it's actually been used by the puppet masters of that power pyramid against we the people so they say maybe were seeing, little bit of this with the covid saga yeah i mean i think thats you know very much the case and You know i mean another entity that we can get into in the book was american security council which i mean it was kind of a far right answers to the council on foreign relations if you will during much of the cold war era, is essentially a vast private intelligence operation lots of military intelligence guys and big cia people involved in what have you. What's the big thing with the asc

16:36 Is just the incredible amount of influence it had on these no kind of alternative cultures when was the ufo community and then of course another one was the conspiratorial rights my kinda term for them but i mean most of the. You know the common troops were all used to the anti you install the antivirus troops the andy federal reserve the and rockefeller stuff almost all of this stuff has its origins with the american security council. and then in turn it was disseminated through groups like the john birch society liberty law and so on and so forth, answer me it's just really fascinating when you can look at that in context with some of the things that are going on. Now i mean you know you've got like the whole one world broadcast the world health organization was sponsoring you've got no bill gates coming out with a whole nano micro chip thing which is another long time trope this kind of stuff

17:35 And then of course, you know the famous or now I guess infamous. picture of what the Rothschild heir and the spirit cooking lady in front of the 18th century painting of Satan summons his legion or something like that. So, you know this is pretty incredible trolling in a lot of ways or at least it certainly comes off like that for the Alex Jones types of the world and what have you And its just really fascinating how when you kind of go back I mean these tropes have been just kinda disseminated for decades now and it seems very ever so often in these kind of crucial realignments of the world order, they start to really be played with a lot of force. I mean it kinda reminds me again of the whole situation in 1991 you know? You've got Papa Bush out there making his whole new world order speech, you've gotta kinda quasi-UN military thing and ancient Babylon aka Iraq

18:30 All very symbolically loaded to put it mildly and. It certainly seems like you know we're seeing a lot of these old war horses coming out once again for our current situation yeah and it does make one wonder why like what agenda would that serve for them to spread something like anti federal reserve sentiment is just controlled opposition, yeah i mean i think you know there's some of the ads Of course, you know it's especially baffling in the case of the ASC because the Rockefellers were actually sponsors of it. Especially Nelson Rockefeller and kind of alluded to before they're also one of the major sources for the anti-Rockefeller type stuff so yeah its kinda like the Rockefellers are basically sponsoring the propaganda that is targeting them in a sense So you see alot of those just strange undercurrents but I mean

19:25 On the flip side of the coin though, I mean i do think there is a divide ultimately between these kind of you know this liberal internationalist click globalistic whatever you want to call it and i think more nationalist oriented group You know obviously the struggle has been going on for a while now but it's certainly become i think more intense in the twenty first century beginning with bush two years and. Yeah how many hours can't even keep a lid on it almost yes and since we're talking about the american security council weekend stick with them a little bit but you have a great section about how they do seem to be, connected to many of the big stories of ufology like you kinda mention there but

20:06 i guess remind people about some of these connections in you follow g cuz when you. Relay all the big stories all the buzzwords of kinda that older first phase of the whole little green men thing a lot of it has their fingerprints on it, Yeah, no I mean absolutely. Really you can even go back to the Roswell incident there were several noteworthy figures that have been linked to that for years most notably General Nathan Twining another alleged MJ-12 member and that type of thing Curtis LeMay who knew quite a few of the prominent figures linked to Roswell

20:45 you can have that membership and then other individuals like arthur radford at more for red bird was another big military who had a lot of interest in the topic who were also early founders of the s.c, and bradford also interestingly was also close to the guy who had founded nightcap I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he had actually served under Radford in the Navy. I believe in the late 40s or something to that effect and just in general NICAP which was the first really big civilian UFO outfit there was so much overlap with the ASC membership and that would continue for years. In fact by the 70's even John Fisher who is the official founder and long time chairman of the ASC was also on the board of NICAP

21:32 So you know you had all that I mean, you had guys like Curtis LeMay and another ASC member Barry Goldwater who really kind of created the hangar 19 mythos a lot of these guys 18 right? Yeah. You're right And then you had Edward Teller who would gonna been an early sponsor Bob Lazar and that just hold stuff with area 51 I mean they show up almost everywhere and then How does the big publishing house that we're going to family who had sponsored it and publisher and these are the guys who would first. put out Jacques Valet's books, you know Messengers of Deception and what have you which I personally find to be very fascinating because obviously this presents much more esoteric interpretation of the UFO phenomenon. It is not sticking with the whole nuts and bolts premise it is going into a mystical take on the whole subject and I definitely find it quite fascinating that

22:33 came from the american security council and it kind of shows the i think this sort of two different strands that have been kinda buying with each other within this field you know on one hand you can't got the rockefeller initiatives with lawrence and what have you in that kinda took a whole nuts-and-bolts explanation and generally Positive space brothers were here to make environmental sustainability a thing and get rid of nuclear power. Versus you know the asc which kind of presents this, take for the one hand they might also be fairies or demons from middle ages and they potentially have much more hostile agenda with the duction medical experimentation and all this other stuff

23:16 So yeah, I mean it's definitely just really fascinating how i mean they played into this narrative and certainly with their ties to the christian right as well you do kind of wonder what exactly the ultimate agenda behind some of those was. Yes yes and you mentioned of course hanger eighteen area fifty one in bob lazar these are some of the biggest stories and roswell i took this from the book u say that Another asc linkage to roswell comes in the form of colonel philip jay corso who's book the day after roswell is one of the best selling accounts ever of the alleged incident,

23:53 Corso was not himself a member of the ASC but was involved with the bizarre order commonly referred to as the Sovereign Order of St. John, the Sovereign Order of Saint John was in turn a member of the American Security Council's coalition for peace through strength interesting I mean when you know all this does it make you I guess skeptical of a guy like Corso do you think Roswell was Spot up completely out a whole cloth or was it just tweaked to fit in narrative was that real at all what do you think about some of the stuff. Well i'm definitely very skeptical of course so, yeah actually uncovered a lot of just crazy stuff about that hole sovereign order saint john since i wrote that

24:42 Another guy involved with it was Cleve Baxter, the polygraph specialist who is kind of behind the whole communicating with plants with a polygraph machine. I know they wrote the book The Secret Life of Plants based on his quote-unquote research. Oh okay yeah i know that book crazy Cleve Baxter Yeah well see I've got access to his personal papers and based on some of the stuff I found in there it's almost certain to my mind that he was involved in Project Bluebird back in the day but But just in terms of the order of St. John, it's just crazy some stuff in there I mean they had like an Oregon energy specialist involved with the group They were trying to recruit Ingo Swan, the remote viewer into the SOSJ So I mean they had this tremendous amount of overlap with this stuff Scientologists with all these other crazy stuff and this was you know a fanatically right wing Group that was tied up with Christian identity and Christian dominionism And all these other really

25:38 vile racist ideologies. So yeah, you know you kind of look at these guys like this hovering in the background to the UFO question and really for that matter a lot of the remote viewing stuff that was going on an SRI and what have you it definitely raises some very disturbing prospects in terms of Roswell I mean I don't think that it was necessarily a pure PSYOP but yeah I think there was something else going on there other than crash UFO I mean i think probably the best explanation really ultimately come from chris noles effectively something was summoned there and when you just look at this bizarre occultic stuff are quasi occultist of the word on energy in just some other ties the guys like the ssj group had you know that's a very tempting explanation for all but

26:33 Right right and for people who don't remember project blue bird it's basically synonymous or often talked about with project artichoke and of course all the stuff under the mk ultra umbrella. And maybe we should dive into mk ultra a little bit more to because you write about the transition from trying to crack and control individual minds, two more mass mind control and social behavior manipulation. And that might all be coming to a serious head right now too, but in the book you write about the society for the investigation of human ecology and the role they played in developing and testing these techniques for the CIA and the MKUltra cronies

27:18 What do you find most interesting about this area and are you seeing parallels between the work they were doing then and the things we're experiencing culturally now? Oh, absolutely. Well see I mean the big overlap was this guy called Frank Burnett he was a Rhodes Scholar, The Whole Nine Yards in the 1950's he was involved with these national war colleges which Which was also something the early american security council been tied up and essentially they were trying to indoctrinate military officers in extreme anti-communism effectively. And one of the guys working with him in this capacity was colonel james Monroe who is a big figure in the society for the investigation human ecology,

28:01 Which essentially was the outfit that was providing a lot of the funding for the various MK Ultra projects. So Barnett and Monroe really hit it off, And then from there Barnett had gone on to found another organization, the American Strategic Information Center. Which was in turn involved in indoctrinating labor unions and what have you and anti-communism and there's some heavy people involved in this group as well I mean you've got William Casey the future director of CIA, you've got a Bush family member Frank Shakespeare, a guy who would have a big role with the Heritage Foundation and what have you. So you kind of have this potential linkage to MKUltra and psychological warfare that originally was being employed in indoctrinating military officers heads of labor unions

28:49 But I really think a lot of this was gradually incorporated into the broader propaganda that the American Security Council is disseminating. And that really goes into, you know, this alternative stuff that I was just talking about. You know the conspiratorial right stuff with the anti-un troops and what have you, the UFOs and all that stuff. And certainly when you look at what is happening now with COVID stuff just the insanity right now with all of this information in the press and what have you... This is very much I think in keeping with the legacy of this kind of research to put it into perspective Barnett

29:27 He would start sponsoring a lot of figures over the years and one of them was a guy named Brian Crozer, who's a big guy in the UK. Ties to MI5 and MI6 he eventually became one of the chairman of the SoCal which is kind of the far right's answer to Bilderberg Group. Crozer was a big guy. He founded an institution called The Institute for the Study of Conflict which did this similar type of side war anti-communist stuff in the UK the Barnett American Security Council were doing here to the big financial sponsors for crows efforts with the IFC. WordPress parents one of them was James goldsmith goldsmith was a huge guy in creating your skepticism and you can't he funded the UK independence party in the nineties a lot of his former associates and colleagues

30:18 Major sponsors of brexit including his son-in-law robin burley and then the other guy who was big sponsoring crozer in the isc rupert murdoch. Box news chairman who is certainly pioneered one of the most traumatic types of news coverage you can possibly imagine yes, yes and it's just so weird lately how i've been feeling like In peace times we know not to trust traditional news media the cdc who, the executive branch we know that these people are always lying we know that they don't care about human life with their drone strikes and there could send.

31:01 All the stuff that they do but then the shit hits the fan we all go into panic mode and these other people who we suddenly start, buying into hook line and sinker restart taking their exact advice we start actually policing our neighbors on behalf of what they said. And it's like well did you forget this whole long history of these organizations i'm sorry it is unfortunate that we can't trust any of these institutions all their credibility is shot and we should have done something about it before we were in crisis mode but we didn't so you can just turn around and say well on this thing I trust him cuz its new and fresh and scary like they don't have a legacy of trust

31:43 Yeah, I mean it's just really incredible. You would think that people would have learned their lesson after the Iraq 2 debacle and the alleged weapons of mass destruction and then certainly after the 08 financial meltdown but it seems like people are still going to try to cling to that reality that's parroted on the one hand and box on the other hand cbs or msnbc your something to that effect in, i mean its really tragic state of affairs because i mean fox you know was really the kind of pioneer for this hyper sensational almost traumatic type news coverage which is pretty much been adopted by all of the networks now

32:22 You know, I mean it's almost totally flushed any semblance of objectivity down the toilet and yet the public still wants to cling to it for some reason. To hop back to UFOs, I also thought this was interesting. You did mention NICAP a little bit earlier but to quote your book you write the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon or NICAP was the first large-scale civilian agency dedicated to the investigation of UFOs from the late 1950's until its demise in 1980. NICAP was the cream of the crop in these civilian field

33:01 Nowadays, it's widely acknowledged that NICAP was heavily infiltrated by the CIA from its inception. Less well known is the fact that the American Security Council was also involved from the get-go. NICAP was founded by a man named Townsend Browne, a Navy veteran who had served under Admiral Arthur Radford and eventual chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff What join the asc and its national strategy committee upon his retirement from the navy. Radford had supported browns research for years and it taken a keen interest in the ufo question himself i'm interested in that because, teetown sin brown i mean this is a guy who a lot of people put in a category with nikola tesla that he was cracking the code of

33:51 electro gravitic propulsion and sometimes i just don't know it's really kinda hard to parse exactly who the bad guys are when, only one group of guys has really the resources for this kind of stuff but its interesting that. he was kind of involved with some of these people what are your thoughts on t towns and brown and the work that you did it was here spook himself cuz i don't get those five maybe they were just, spook interested in him and swarming around them or maybe i'm being naive what do you think. Yeah i mean i definitely think she was probably more somebody that was being used to manipulate it's done

34:33 i mean certainly that kind of seems to be a recurring theme with almost anybody who's kind of involved in this you know kind of tesla slash alternative. Energy oriented research but again you know there are several disinformation types involved and this is well specifically jenny buharic yeah i mean brown was the guy too i mean he just seemed like you know what true vision area Begin you know it's also kind of understandable that individuals who are affiliated with a group like the ASC would have taken an interest in this type of research because it was so closely tied to. The military industrial complex defense contractors and especially the aerospace industry as well

35:17 So i mean all these guys i think would have also had a pretty significant financial stake in the type of things that he was developing as well and this probably would provide it, compelling way to kind of keep track of some of the thoughts is developing by monitoring through group like nightcap and that type of thing. Certainly you know there's a lot different ways look at it and the melon family did have A little bit to do with some of this right they were finding a decent chunk of it just to bring it back to that first family we talked about yeah yeah well lot of barnett's initiatives in the nsic the national strategic information center and then later cruiser stuff with institute stay at conflict almost all that was funded by. Richard melons gay fee,

36:00 Who's another really fascinating figure his father and scapy of course it been an officer. And curiously both alan and his mother sarah melons gave you were investors in the world commerce corporation which is a pretty spooky entity that have been set up by william donovan stevenson a lot of other ex spooks in the aftermath of the second world war pretty much everybody was xss security coordination or something like that i mean it really wasn't kind of early corporate intelligence, firm so many even with his parents you had this peculiar legacy and then of course gave me no head out right sponsored cia publications i think what's like the world future for him or something like that.

36:44 And then he had taken up funding so many of these initiatives that Barnett had started. And he's just another guy that has had so much influence on a lot of major public debates, I mean an obvious one would be the abortion debate. He has really been one of the chief financial sponsors of the pro-life movement Which is kind of ironic because on the flip side of the coin a lot of other melon family members are big planned parenthood backers so you know, you can have this instance of this one particular family that's really driving this abortion debate. Preoccupied public so much since the nineteen seventies if not sooner and then amusingly scape he was also the guy who

37:26 Sponsor the clinton chronicles as well which really kind of you know establish them in those of the clintons is the ultimate kind. Foster and villains or something to that effect, Interesting yes and it's odd why people would waste their money funding two sides of an argument like you know the family fortune but i guess they just want to create division because i do know a lot of people particularly back in missouri who will vote solely on this one issue and it just drives me nuts cuz im like look your not having kids anymore, you don't have to have abortion you don't know anyone ever abortions

38:06 Why do you care so much about that as opposed to like how we deal with the rest of the world because they're staged by the global is like why don't you care about the. People that are alive that don't have any kind of safety net better just know dying on the streets why don't you care about really anything it's just an odd thing to care about. Hypothetical lives that probably wouldn't have the best upbringing i mean i don't even wanna get into necessarily but is this too weird, yeah well i mean i think that this kinda seems like its part of the coordinated deleted gender and a lot of ways i'm in of course this kind of

38:45 Thinking really went back to me it goes back earlier but i mean really in the post war years i mean the montpelier society was a big one and this is where. Mostly bunch of economists more conservative leaning you get the austrian school chicago school, And this is really where the modern ideology of neoliberalism originated from as well. But essentially, you know these guys were obsessed with the notion of a double government if you will and on one hand You would have a part of the government that was basically concerned with social issues that generally leads considered to be meaningless but they would be great for a public debate and you can have democracy in the sense so on and so forth. And then you would have another government and this will be the part of the government that was chiefly concerned with wealth with military functions and specifically what's your intention economy

39:38 and things that were meaningful to the elite, things that conferred power to them. So you know I mean that i think is why when you really get down to it things like the abortion debate are continuously pushed on us and really the gun debate for that matter too. I mean I'm sorry but in the 21st century an assault rifle was not going to stop some of those super weapons that the US military is sitting on. You know? I don't think anybody at the upper echelons of power really cares one way or another about abortion the gun issue or probably transgender rights or anything like that. But, you know it galvanizes the public it's a great way to keep people fighting amongst themselves over issues that are not going to ultimately increase their standard of living or the political power or anything else that has any real significance. Right right very well said and

40:29 And to switch gears a little bit here, I'm also always interested in places where we see the occult spill into the political spheres or just general rings of power. And i know that you're interested in that kind of stuff as well and in this book you write about a figure i don't think i'd heard of before he sounds sort of like an italian alistair crowley with one foot in the occult one in some kind of spycraft sort of stuff. You refer to him as the Sith Lord, he's got a long string of names but let's just call him Julius Evola but what can you tell us about this Evola guy?

41:05 Yeah he really was very much like roley like figure the fact i mean i would probably argue he was the other premium and it's just another twenty century next to crowley in there is, what a bizarre overlap between them i mean they also were both obsessed with mountain hearing and so forth. And then there's kind of the bizarre, I don't know, kind of synchronicity with their deaths. Of course Crowley died in 47, Evola died in 74 and you know both of those years are also have a lot of interest to synchronistic types like myself and what have you of course. 47 you had the emergence of national security states and all kinds of other crazy stuff. 74 you have Watergate, the first kinda public

41:47 revelation of the nine and your report can all that good stuff but in terms of love you know the italian philosopher cultist he had originally cut his teeth with the group in the nineteen twenties, add another lot of interest in method system. I know specifically was the great magical papyrus in paris was a big text. They were quite taken with which noles is spoken about how essentially an account of tripping balls or something to that effect, can you see a lot of the other kind of touchstones like scrying and that type of thing show up

42:23 But in terms of the system that was very heavily influenced by hinduism and cast system. And his take essentially it would be the warrior cast, they would have been at the highest level rather than the brahman's the priest cast and pretty much led to just an obsession with these kind of warrior brotherhoods if you will or your monks Of course, the whole lot was quite taken with the Knights Templar and the Knights Hospitar and all of the revered medieval military orders. He really started to rise to prominence after Mussolini came into power. He had found fascism fascinating but had ultimately begun to criticize it because he believed that Hitler and Mussolini did not go far enough. He was disturbed by their pandering to trade unions and that type of thing

43:14 So it was definitely very much an aristocratic system that he was promoting. Nonetheless, even though he did routinely criticize both regimes during the war, he did not end up in a concentration camp like so many others. In fact, he was later brought into the SS, another organization that had been quite obsessed with and specifically he was put into the SD which is their principal intelligence service And that led to some interesting activities at the end of the war. He was in Austria and Salzburg, in 1945 the Red Army is surrounding Germany, the Allies are coming and allegedly during this time he's working on a book called The History Of Secret Societies or something to that effect which

44:01 Is just not a very believable story i mean you know the third reich is literally collapsing before his eyes and he was reportedly paralyzed during this time from. When are you through the streets of salzburg as bombs were being dropped in what have you so yes there's been some theories about what it was actually up to and i think great kevin coogan who sadly recently departed us, really had the best take on it and that is the fact that he had been tapped by the SS to develop a pan-European ideology that can revitalize the Nazi or fascist underground in the aftermath of war, something that would be more inclusive to the whole of Europe and not just kind of focused on German supremacy or something to that effect.

44:46 You know it seems like he was very effective at that you know going into the cold war years virtually every major italian neo fascist terrorist one time or other had been infatuated with his system. The really big militant organization was the new order, The head of that was very much an acolyte, and this was really the group that was a big part of all the Gladio efforts to destabilize Italy during the time. So I mean that's something also...I would kind of point out with Evelyst followers in comparison to Crowley's, I mean Crowley tended to inspire a lot of bohemian types, a lot of artists what have you

45:27 All eyes followers you know they were more concerned with the metaphysics of the sub machine gun and. The subway bomb type of thing certainly it was a very militant belief system and did inspire many young men to commit just absolutely horrendous acts violence, Damn man that's a pretty good summary and you also mentioned that ebola gains some modern recent notoriety. Because he was named dropped by steve bannon, and i'm wondering what contacts that was or what you think it might mean that banning would name drop this guy and I don't think I heard of him before maybe is not super obscure but it seemed odd

46:12 Yeah, well if I remember correctly Bannon had name dropped him in the context of Dugan. Was it Alexander Dugan or something like that? Putin's alleged Rasputin. Evola was a part of this kind of ideology that usually referred to as traditionalism and it really spread you know different sectors throughout the Cold War and UK had been a major influence on the National Front with Nick Griffin and that type of thing but It really appears to have had a very prominent influence in Russia going into the 1980s. And, you know, Dugin almost himself comes off as an Evola-like figure in the sense that he had been using the works of Evola potentially to craft new ideology and kind of national Bolshevikism that could kind of fuel the underground after the collapse of the Soviet Union

47:03 Obviously, there's a lot of dispute as to just how much of an influence Dugin has actually had on Putin and the modern Russian state. But certainly it is known beyond doubt that he did have ties to – was it the FSB? The Principal Intelligence Service of Russia now in Germany, just a very well-connected individual. And you know, it's possible that through that context, that's where Bannon had picked up on Evola's work And, you know, you've seen this. I mean it's not just Bannon obviously in the alt-right that are quite taken with him. I mean, Eveless had a lot of influence on that whole dark enlightenment ideology and he has had an influence on Richard Spencer and some of these other types so its very much I think a kind of ideology that has fueled elements of the modern right but Eveless' ideology is very elitist was never meant for the masses

47:58 Which is why i don't think that it's really very well known you know what he wasn't trying to create a mass movement he was trying to create. Initiated elite effectively the good reorient society from the upper echelons of power and i think now we're kind of just starting to see him so that coming out and the extent which his ideology has influence the ruling elites Yeah it's always interesting to see that a cult crossover it's there people like to kind of deny it but even though. A lot of people are presented with these magical or cold ideas as if they're silliness and they don't put any stock in them because they don't have a paradigm that considers the valuable you still gotta look at what the elite, are doing and who their pal around with clearly there something there

48:48 Absolutely i think that's why no one else got that great saying his blog millionaires believe in astronomy billionaires believe in astrology definitely my research seems to be very much the case. Yeah i actually think that is a jp morgan quote that goes millionaires don't believe in astrology billionaires do. At least thats how I heard it, but yeah you and chris are both some of the best at parsing through that and taking a look at what does this mean because you could say during the trump election in particular there was alot

49:31 A cult context to it spawned the whole. Q and on thing which is very heavily about codes and symbolism so it's in the soup that got the guy elected, Yeah, and I mean it's also...I think in a lot of ways too. It is very modern occult tech because like you're getting at it, a lot of this has its roots in chaos magic and meme magic You know what I mean? There's kind of a tendency to reject all Trump followers as just being kind of inbred rednecks or something but there is my mind a certain sophistication to all of this certainly more so than

50:11 what you probably see on guy or something like that i'm sorry for saying. You know ultimately though i mean they did get their guy in the white house so, i do think they really kind of tapped into the whole notion of public relations essentially is a kind of magical working and no that was really put very much in practice with a lot of this symbolism on top of that you can have the whole specter. The sdl group in cambridge analytical lingering behind this with a whole thing which trump and brexit, i'm not going to have the connections that was planned here and peter deal when his ties and turn to the dark enlightenment a lot of those notions me magic and even if all i am what have you so there is this line of succession from these side war cabal type things

51:03 Companies to these more arcane sex the dark enlightenment and that type of thing. Yeah certainly it's been really effective in practice to put it mildly. And that stuff is on both sides got a knowledge of this gonna be all kinds of yeah we very much know, yes but as were starting to wrap this thing up i know you're also working on an epstein book and we talked about a few, ebstein ask networks in this whole saga that you cover in the book

51:39 Is there anything that you found researching abstein recently that's worth sharing the fight for any real justice or pursuit of the larger network seems to have largely is all out but are you still on the case. Oh yeah yeah no, No the upstate thing is actually more than two three books. Well i mean i was about into four five chapters in the first book it was getting around sixty thousand words you know if i try to do this as a whole book what can be two or three times as long as tragedy and hope for something like that so,

52:15 In the effort to make it more readable, it was decided to break down into three books. But yeah I mean there's been some really just amazing stuff that has come out with this. Some of the things that are already alluded to with Resorts International and just the continuation of these networks and to me the big thing that really became evident while researching this is I wasn't telling you the history of sex rings but really kind of covert history of the Anglo-American establishment as well and it's really going to kind of chronicle this change that is going through it. over the years from this kind of, you know UN CFR type vision of the world to Trump and Brexit and what have you. And just how this change occurred over the decades from both the American and British perspective. Certainly for me that's been really one of the more interesting aspects has been researching the British deep state because it is not really a topic I was very familiar with going into this and certainly don't think something that lot of Americans were either but

53:14 It is a really fascinating topic and it was really just remarkable to see how persistent the Anglo-American establishment has been. I think that is really relevant into the state of affairs we're getting into into the world now, you know? We might potentially be witnessing the final collapse of the EU with the COVID thing. The UK is out of the EU. There's been this ongoing discussions about trade agreements between the US and UK I do think there are interests very much that would love to form the long envisioned Anglo-American empire, which would essentially become the new world order rather than some UN World Government thing. With the chaos in the world that's going on right now you know i think it's a better possibility and a lot of people have ever imagined up to this point and you know i think that's big part what trump is trying to do with putting pressure on china with the covid thing

54:07 A lot of people would really love to break china down into smaller countries that would be much more manageable. And in a lot of ways i was really kind of clear the playing field for this proposed anglo-american union, merge the top dog with no real competition so you know it's definitely going to be interesting how this goes forward in the coming months and Yeah, I mean it is an unsettling prospect but you know i've been saying all along Trump was put into power for two reasons and that was to reorient American foreign policy away from Russia towards containment of China on the one hand. And on the other hand to essentially tear up world order the Bretton Woods agreement and so forth that has dominated the world since the end of the second World War That's all being scrapped and what we're seeing emerging now is definitely more in keen with

54:56 a new medieval is on the new feudalism caught what you will but it's going to be much more chaotic world and one potentially where we could see the dominant forces essentially merging as kind of neo. East india companies certainly when you see something like apollo capital or serbia so i mean there are these massive financial institutions that are essentially holding company's control all these other Companies and then on top of that they've got their own private armies in the wings as well So in a sense, I mean this system is already waiting to go You know it just needs a further weakening of the international order and It's got the green light so to speak Hmm Wow man. I think that's a great breakdown you have a very impressive grasp on some of the stuff I consider the most complicated stuff to wrap my head around

55:49 I guess as we're wrapping this up, obviously Strange Tales of the Parapolitical is a great book. I really enjoyed it you cover a lot of ground and a lot of complex and unknown history i guess i would ask you as we're wrapping this up what do you consider the most important threads or contributions that this book has made? What are you most proud of in this book what does it add to the general knowledge of The Alternative Scene Why think definitely the contractors one i mean i was very pleased to clean it up one i think really have to this point is the longest.

56:26 English language account of the colony that's been published up to this point and certainly to give people an alternative to the colony That's not as reliant on Peter Lavenda Suppose I should be nice not get into that. But anyway, um Just really though The contractors one because I do think to this day people do tend to underestimate The influence a lot of this you know whole culture is had Really going with the joint special operations command and then into the private military industry You know i mean really throw the cold war and into the nineties special operators were pretty marginal figures in the grand scheme of things, but they become a major power center going into the twenty first century now you know you have these guys controlling these fast multi million in some cases probably multi billion dollar corporations. It's very different culture than what the ruling elite historically we're comprised of you know this aren't really guys that are coming from

57:20 an Ivy League background from Harvard or Yale and working in Goldman Sachs or some other New York banking house. I mean, these are guys who came up through the military ranks fighting in Yemen and Somalia what have you is a very different culture it's a different mindset and I think in a lot of ways we're kind of struggling with this new ruling establishment that has begun to emerge on the 21st century and how its reshaping the world order Well said and speaking of love and obviously he's known for some of that work and you know i love sinister forces i don't love ttsa so. I don't really know,

58:05 necessarily what i think about all the things peter lavender has covered, that is quite wise and his left a hell of a life as an amazing writer do you without commenting on the man himself i guess to have a in issue with the way love and has presented the information about the colony and his accounts did u find something. That you present differently when you really dug into the research yourself I mean on the one hand in terms of the colony and fairness to live and i mean he was also working with the sources that were available and. The early nineties so you know obviously we know more now from freedom information act request all that kind of thing but it does seem like he did struggle to put into the broader,

58:51 international context and you know just in general when you kind of look on a lot of his research on. Post war fascism and what have you there's not a lot of discussion about the search how are some of these other, groups that probably did wield a tremendous amount of influence another one you know kinda going back to that group i was talking about before is the sovereign order of saint john where I know he has to know more about that group than what he's letting on because Carl Maria Stanley, one of the wandering bishops from the American Orthodox Catholic Church would later go on to become involved with the Shikshini Knights of Malta, the Sovereign Order of St. John and then he would break away and form his own SOSJ He set himself up in Louisville Kentucky And he ended up ordaining David Ferry in this capacity Of course you know famous guy from the JFK assassination so

59:40 There's definitely some stuff going on there that yeah, he's been playing close to the vest for what reason you know I don't want to speculate but you know certainly i do find it a little disconcerting that he's involved in the association of former intelligence officers and specifically in that just bizarre Las Vegas chapter which also features Richard Doty of the whole Bennewitz affair It's got Colonel John Alexander, he of the non-lethal weapons and of course the one and only Colonel Michael Aquino. He is the Temple of Seth to The Church Of Satan psychological warfare officer par excellence so yeah I mean those are some interesting figures there and guys who have certainly just probably ravaged UFO community for years now

1:00:25 So and now LaVenda's in here with TTSA and what have you along with Mellon family member Christopher Mellon, another guy with intelligence ties. Oh really? He's involved with TTSA? Oh yeah! Yeah he's been one of the big spokesmen for it and what have you Of course, his brother Matthew Mellon was the guy who had a heart attack couple of years ago when he was on DMT or something like that trying to clean up from his opioid abuse. But Matthew made a fortune in cryptocurrencies. He was actually the first Mellon family billionaire and I think a generation or something but he was tied into Peter Thiel and all these other guys as well. Then his brother Chris is involved in TTSA. It's just a very incestuous network to put it mildly

1:01:08 No there are some very insidious people tied in with ttsa and you know i love lavenda. I mean, how would consider the sinister forces books to have just been an enormous influence on everything i've done but i don't know what to make of this you know las vegas chapter of the association former intelligence officers and some of the guys he's involved within that group they certainly are rather nefarious individuals than any number of levels Well, we'll leave it alone. But either way man this has been a lot of fun you just know so many names and connections that I could never keep straight in my stupid stoner head So it is always a pleasure and super impressive. I'm glad you got this book out Congratulations It's a really tough thing to do Remind the people where they can read your blog find your social media accounts And pick up the book all that good stuff

1:02:02 Sure well obviously there's the blog it is by you dot blog spot dot com that's v.i.e.s.u.p. v.i.e.w. dot blog spot dot com i've got links there where you can procure a digital version of strange tales along with contact them or us the first book written but my co-author frank zero got a special pandemic bundle i guess is what we're calling it right now for the covid stuff so you can get both of those books for the price one physical copy of strange tales but if you are so inclined for physical copies as I myself would be, you can pick up a copy of strange tales on amazon like pretty much anything else

1:02:42 I'm also involved with my own podcast which is the farm you can find us at the farm podcast dot com that's the farm podcast.com that's all one word and another project i got coming out in a couple of months which i'm really excited about as the penny royal podcast it's gonna tie them with all the hell your stuff the penny royal guys actually appeared an episode eight season two of how your it's going to get into all the crazy stuff summer sets but How are you a little it's mainly more of a paranormal ufo forty and high weirdness take on all that. Any royals gonna get into some of the parapolitics is gonna get into all the weird stuff to its just i'm really excited about it, can be an eight episode miniseries for podcast it's gonna have just really crazy stuff that we dug up with kentucky among other things you're going see how the twenty sixteen election really ran through kentucky and donald trump insane ties to the

1:03:40 intelligent stuff and organize crime what have you that was going on there so no that's hopefully gonna be out in july i'm gonna write an essay, can't wait the ones strange tales that's going to coincide with it that's gonna add the sources for just all this crazy stuff that we uncovered so definitely keep an eye out for that In the interim you can always check me out of the vice a blog or at the farms podcast and. Definitely no considered picking up a copy of the book obviously what people got some spare time right now so maybe give yourself a text that will help you understand geopolitics is playing out right now. ABC man always be closing but i do like it we should all be doing stuff that were passionate about so i am excited to check out that podcast series but

1:04:27 Again, this has been a lot of fun. This is really dense material and you break it down so well So thanks for being as dedicated as you are Thanks for your time and keep fighting the good fight take care my man Yeah Thank You again so much for having me on men I fought the law and the law won THC appearance number three from our main man recluse drop in knowledge on elite families and military contractors and private security firms that we tend to forget about sometimes. Big congratulations to him again for getting a book completed, it is not easy and I do hope that he sees some success with it! I definitely like having in my library and it covers a lot of hidden history that person in my position can often use the reference for... And its the kind show I guess I'm looking to do right now It's got context which is helpful in assessing our current situation

1:05:27 but it's not so much about it directly because I need a break and I feel like we've covered this thing very thoroughly from several different angles and. I don't really see a need for us to just keep repeating ourselves because the situation continues to go on, but have always been impressed with recluses level of detail he has real knack for tracking associations in connections between these shadowy people in groups Although I do find it curious how he manages to pronounce certain names sometimes. I do get it, he's a researcher who is constantly reading and writing so sometimes you don't get a lot of opportunity to talk about the material and if you're finding obscure names or details You probably hear the name pronounced even less so but its just something that I notice once in awhile And I have to take a second and think about it Oh actually I have heard of that name before

1:06:26 But still, to stay sharp as he does at that level of detail is very impressive. And he makes a lot of good points! Anybody should be able to understand that so much of what we see out there boils down to various companies and contractors and groups battling for influence, supremacy...and their share of public funds Would military contractors perform domestic operations to make it appear that their services are in dire need? Of course they would. The same is true for the big influences in the medical and tech spaces, which seem eerily pre-prepared for a lot of what's coming out in the wake of this big virus scare. Easier to cut back on that funding when we haven't really had a problem in decades... little bit harder now

1:07:19 And broadly speaking, I just think any time a massive story comes out—a shooting, a bombing, a virus, whatever it is—you have to think with these incentives in mind. It sucks that this current situation has gotten out of control and that our institutions have no credibility and this legacy of manipulated events is so long and tense It sometimes feels like all these different sectors are just taking turns slamming us with their bullshit. Like somebody rocking back and forth before they hop into a jump rope at the right time, just jump in, jump out okay now it's your go! And its just a constant bombardment of bohemoths gobbling up market share. Its like as soon we get over one thing something else crops up

1:08:13 But the silver lining, to me, the thing that calms me down is that when you strip away the events that seem manipulated. The false flags, planned shootings, DC snipers... just all of this shit we deal with and some tragic things do just happen sometimes there really is no one in the driver's seat but when you pull out ones that do seem fishy You're left with far fewer concerning events like 1-4 And then the world doesn't seem so scary. You think about all the millions of interactions on the street where everyone just goes about their business or better yet even helps each other once in awhile and you can steady your breathing again Things are clearly tense right now, but I think the only strategy is to go zen! I go back to the Jordan Peterson line about self-development where he says strive to be the reliable person at a funeral

1:09:12 Work on yourself enough that you're mentally ready for everything. Pull yourself together, man! You know? And be gentle with people who might not be as open and aware as you are. Not everybody wants to hear theories right now... They just want a stable genius to lean on I've seen a lot of strains on friendships because one person can't just shut up about the plandemic I like to believe that outside-the box thinkers have an advantage in times like these, but our tone and our humility and our empathy are the qualities that are going to determine how we're perceived. The system is painting anyone who has skepticism on this as a dangerous right wing Trump loving classless QAnon teat sucker

1:10:06 behavior is either gonna validate that perception or it's going to further road the credibility of the cable news narrative obviously we can't control what other people do and i'm sure there's always gonna be an example but they can turn the cameras too make us look on educated. But it would be nice if just by observing some of us, it was obvious to the more conventional people in our lives that our worldview is serving us well in these times. And then it would start to look more attractive not less." I just said we're all probably sick of talking about it and then went on my little soapbox rant there but I'm just trying to tie it all into the context that Recluse provides in his book

1:10:55 this interview. If you liked the first hour where we did get through a great deal of material, we got through just as much in the second hour things like the dark details of The Colony SAIC other military contractors like them and some potential domestic operations DynCorp and the Trump administration esoteric and mythological names of these companies like that damn drug made by Gilead. And we also talked about COVID control and election suppression, the prospect of that second wave and a lot of the economic games that are being played in the COVID chaos so all good stuff trying to bring you good stuff well worth your money please sign up for plus if you value this show but other than that I guess there's not a ton to say

1:11:52 I hope you're all staying safe out there. I hope you're all weathering the economic hardship well enough, and i hope you're starting to think about or have the conversation about how to be more self-sufficient. How to put yourself in a position where you could say, You know? You don't want to let me into a Walmart without the invisible tattoo that's fine! I don't need anything from there I've always talked about having one foot in, one foot out. It's getting a lot harder to keep that foot in and I'm sure that's no accident but other than that...I guess we have a few good shows coming up that I'm excited about and we have a joint session on the 20th so next week and two episodes coming before the month ends So I guess I'll just catch you then

1:12:49 I'm out of here. Big thanks to Recluse once again, I've done my part! Your move conniving contractors, egomaniacal elite and satanic security firms... your fucking move. You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane They'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't. You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking your at home Well your not! You should tape the mail slot And baby if i seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just dont wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone

1:13:45 It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see The masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end If for some reason, you think I might be wrong I wonder where you got that opinion from

1:14:38 You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well, you're not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just Don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see Masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system is out of touch It isn't. You can only trust yourself

1:15:38 You might think that these problems are small Maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull. Cause you can see, the masters lie too much Oh baby you can only trust yourself

1:16:24 And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself Cause' you can see, the masters lie too much Oh baby you can only trust yourself. And if you think the system's out of touch it is and you can only trust yourself