Steve & Krys Crimi | Hermes, Inverted Myth, Sacrifice, & Gnosis

00:00 Hi there and hello higher side chatters. It's been a while since I felt an interview needed context before we just got right into it, but reset that countdown because this is one of them! I mentioned Trouble in Paradise with the new studio and sure enough Trouble baked us a seven layer cake with this one...and i will spare you all the details but it's almost comical dare i say cosmic And I'm not one to invoke larger forces over what is often just technical difficulties, but given that this interview is about Hermes and our guest felt like his epic book actually came from a Hermes download AND he commented that it all kinda felt like Hermes fucking with us...I guess its worth putting out there.

00:42 Let me just say today was the first day that I ended up being late to the studio by almost 40 minutes due to a motorcycle accident on the highway that I unfortunately saw very close. And our guests had been sick and sleep deprived, so it's just an awkward energy to start with right out of the gate or normal studio sound booth board master was absent. So we had a few more sound issues that needed to be worked out You can see my pulling my headphones away from my good ear because anytime I talked, my voice would come barreling back at me in a terrible echo loop. But that is just a me problem and

01:21 In an even more rare circumstance, they had another client booked for the space immediately following me. So we couldn't go long and only that last factor really affects what you're about to hear because it came up quite short but our guests were kind enough to record with me again. And let me retest the idea of just doing all this stuff from home like the big kids do We try to make it seamless in the transition, but it is hard to pick up a conversation that was started three weeks earlier. But either way I really enjoyed the time I had with them and the book is very insightful when it comes to the Greek myths and much more. And I just liked the way they see the world in several different ways so know that it was cobbled together from technically three recordings but I have some of the best cobblers in the game

02:10 And while some listeners might not even be able to notice, viewers certainly will notice a set and wardrobe change. And now you know why that is an about the cacophony of wrenches Hermes hurled at us from the vast ethereal unknown, but the show must go on and go on it did so enjoy. The planets up in masters almost surely we've

02:47 It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood people from the sunshine state. I'm Greg Carlwood and

03:32 And so many of us see through the various psyops engineered to shock and awe us into cowering compliance, and we watch those around us acquiesce completely without a single critical passing thought as to why such a thing might be happening if it was pre-planned. power and erode our rights? It very clearly seems to be mind control at work, but maybe there's something else happening too. We hear the mystics and the esoterically inclined talk about our entanglement with a non-physical realm of myths and archetypes symbols and spirits from which our world acts like a stage for these eternal stories to play out if this is true To what degree can it be used manipulated even weaponized against us

04:16 It is provocative to hear so many people call the COVID operation a ritual, but what kind of ritual is it? What source material might be used to craft it and what lost knowledge about the very underpinnings of reality itself would have helped our fellow travelers see COVID as another occult inversion in a long line of such psychopathic wizardry. Well these things get to the heart of a great 600 plus page masterwork from one of today's guests Steven Crimey titled Hermes Runs The Game Inverted Myths sacrificed in initiation informing the events of 2020 to 2024. He's joined with his wife Chris as well, who is an artist and passionate preserver of the gardening arts implementing permaculture, electroculture and Steiner's biodynamics together they run Logo Sophia, an independent publisher focused on works that broadly fold in under the wide umbrella of practical mysticism buckle up for this one folks

05:10 COVID hoax highlighters, trickster bean exposures and ritual template revealers. Steve and Chris, Chris and Steve welcome to THC. Thank you. That was grand. We feel most welcome, thank you! Of course of course as I mentioned this morning i think a lot of folks here have COVID fatigue but to look at those years through an esoteric and ritual lens backed up by your deep knowledge of the mythic and mystical is probably the only lens left that I want to look at those events through but But let's start out a bit broader and talk about how reality is structured so that these sorts of things make sense. We've all heard that the brain is more of a receiver of consciousness rather than the generator of it, but when I heard you talk about this previously Steve, it finally clicked for me how these archons God spirits actually operate through us mentally because that's their only real portal

06:08 into the physical is through the consciousness apparently but break this down a bit for us because it does help to make sense of a fairly complex paradigm that we're in. It's really complicated and unfortunately every Every road leads to paradox. And so in the end, you know language and logic and thinking fall short One of the sayings I think are like to use is that you can't get To the real through thought and this is again an inversion of what everyone does philosophy pretty much since Aristotle has been about thought, rationalism which in my definition is trying to get to the real through thought and it doesn't get you there. The only thing that gets you to the real is a revelation gnosis some kind of spiritual insight that is ineffable goes beyond language so this is where we're always going to be at a difficulty To talk about it you have to go through all those

07:12 problematic presuppositions. The mythic is an actual real realm, my one time that I did ayahuasca that was the insight that was granted to me and i wouldn't try it again but it was an understanding that mythic reality is always happening, right? It's not a one and done thing in the past and all that. It's continuously happening. And where does it happen? Well there's this sort of in-between place called the imaginal realm by the great French writer Henri Corbin who mostly wrote in the 50s and 60s

07:52 who spent a lot of time studying. He actually got stuck in Istanbul during World War II and spent his time studying this particular Persian philosopher called Suhwardy, who developed something called the School of Light. He was a martyr for having those views. So the mythic realm is an actual real place And in that mythic realm, or the imaginal realm and you know it's probably hooks into Aboriginal dream time and things like that is in a sense of more real realm than this one. Which is not hard to say because we can get into later but this realm is not real at all In fact its actually something thats run through us

08:35 There's no independently existing world out there. People talk about, was the earth round or is it flat? Well it's neither you pick your narrative But the fact is that there is no independently existing world out there and that's what the ancient teachings talk about. And especially for us because we really want to, we studied yoga classical yoga so in Sanskrit until we got a little bit of that but really what's lost because this is a Western civilization is the sacred origins of that civilization Then the people before Plato, Parmenides, Empedocles, Pythagoras, Heraclitus. These people were mystics and they again went into these in-between realms and they were given by the gods laws, teachings things like that so they would bring them back and they were inviolate

09:34 And so this realm is, and I can't tell exactly how but this realm is co-opted now. by other beings. Or we pull Archons, I like the phrase Archons and you can get a John Lenn Lash's work where he discusses a lot of that he uses the term mind power slice and i will say that i was in quite a mega church but it was a big church in a warehouse two years ago and there was a wedding and they did this whole crescendo thing and they were playing music, and this whole thing. And they're all waving their arms over their head...and something dropped in. It felt like it dropped in and it was this dumb root

10:23 force. And my first thought was, holy shit Scotty put up the shields because I don't know what the heck this is right? That was an experience of an archon because they're dumb and they feed off emotions so all these people in this church who experienced this – because I don't know anyone else who's actually experienced it would have pruded in as Jesus they think it's Jesus because it's powerful, but it's not. And so this is what we are up against. So you can say that that is the back level of all this crap that's going on—this aversion and what have you—and that the ancient Christians who were before the supposed time that Jesus Christ were talking about the archons and talking to our phanostic

11:13 Christians, who predated Christianity. They considered a number of them considered Yahweh or Yad Vabosh as an archon and I would say if you look at E B Netanyahu that's my Take on all that so we get into like the making friends section right away. So that is a great summary and to bring chris in here a bit as it relates to kind of this structure reality i know that you're an artist who thinks often about the ideal of beauty

11:53 And this used to be kind of thought of from the ancient Greeks as like a portal to the divine, right? It's not just subjective aesthetics but art used to be a lot more than just something to look at. Right? Yes it is interactive Of course and true good sublime are is transcendent and it carries you so for a long time when we first came to Asheville in 1999, we fell into a sacred geometry group. And some people may even know about Robert Gilbert's work and Vesica Institute and Robert was just getting started at that time

12:36 There was a group who is meeting of very intelligent people, just like delightfully intelligent. And so they were doing classes over at the local library or just meetings of doing the actual geometry drawings. So we will learning from just using a ruler and a compass and a pencil how to do the most complex geometric drawings, which for me was quite an amazement because I flunked out of geometry in high school. I was pathetic at it and i had to learn over from the ground up they were teaching us Euclidean geometry with the theorems and all that

13:20 There's no way I could relate to it. But this was very different, these were drawings that were geometries that would generative so they generate forms and they take on or they're like a conduit not a channel but like a conduit for the spiritual that infuses each of us in our lives and infuses the whole material world but it comes from a sacred place So it starts in the unmanifest and then it's called in and becomes manifest. And, in Indian art and sculptures, it was understood that if you got the geometry right, the deity would inhabit the artwork." I agree with you! I also experienced some kind of something when I stumbled across sacred geometry

14:18 All those forms it does seem like the building blocks of reality it did feel like more than just a learning to draw class or the typical math I was used to that never resonated. Right, I mean thats it resinated to agree on its like you see these codes and ratios in nature And this is just basically another pathway to seeing them, in art you can make. So yeah I'm on that page too. Steve you were saying that it seems to you that this realm of archetypes and symbols has been kind of co-opted by archons

14:57 We know kind of the Sophia myth and the story of the Archons from John Lash, who's been here before. But I guess I'm just curious maybe sometimes I think it's romanticizing the past, but were the Greek gods something that's actually different from archons? I mean were they better than Archons. The book is Hermes runs the game we're going to get into how Hermes applies to what happened during the COVID era but it just seems like its unclear to me if there even much of a separation between Egyptian gods, Greek gods, Archons How do we sort all that out

15:38 Like I said, the gods are in this imaginal realm and so for me they're real because that realm is real and it's accessible. Not easily but especially now. The Archons are more or less like an overlay the way I see it And there and then you talked about the Sophia myth, and that they are sort of spillover from her mistake. of falling in love with her creation. And so there's all that, but the gods themselves are different realms for different civilizations but in general they're the same. So Hermes for example has a particular set of things that he runs right? He runs borders, he runs travel, he runs commerce and I...and so all those things

16:41 I saw is involved in the whole COVID up. And trickery and thievery. Even his own mother says that you're going to be a pain in the ass to both gods and humans, but Hermes is the one that's closest to the human realm because he's involved in the Agora, in commerce, traveling all those things so Hermes is one god you can kind of relate to Now, other gods that you might encounter. For example, Persephone are just really powerful and of course she rules over the Underrealms. The Underrealms that no one can get to without Hermes who is called the Psychopomp which means he's the guide of souls There's a reality to it but the fact is our current materialist and Archons

17:42 are propagating it, cover over our access to the gods. And that also leads to the whole concept of the ages So the Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age and the Iron Age. In the Golden Age humans and gods live together and they especially ate together in the next age. The gods are a little more abstracted but they could be called upon especially in meals and this gets back to the sacrifice the whole COVID sacrifice. Eating together was a big thing in Greece, and I talk mostly about Greece because that's our culture. Our culture is not Judeo-Christian. Our culture is Greco-Roman if you want to call it that way. Then the third age is more or less the Age of Heroes

18:34 Right? And so you have the Iliad, the Odyssey and things like that where you discuss. The gods kind of come in and generally mess things up. Then the fourth age is our age which is the Iron Age and the age where the connection is completely severed Right, the Iron Age, the Kali Yuga if you will. And I've noticed everybody and their brothers will tell you what dates the Kali Yuga began and lots of people tell you it's over... As Chris likes to say it's a pig's breakfast out there

19:11 Yes, I certainly get that. But you still can have access because...I got a download of this book from Hermes and I have had experiences with what's called Persephone the underground goddess so it's possible it's rare but all that is what informs my writing and so, you know... So your writing is broadly cast into writing from or writing about. And I try to write from as much as possible

19:48 Yes, I'm so glad you put it in those terms because I actually was thinking on the way here that this book. I enjoyed so much because it does seem like you are writing from a knowing rather than researching. You know? I have so many guests who maybe done great research spent many hours and hours combing over certain material but it doesn't go into the realm of experience lived experience And it does feel like your writing comes from more of a place of knowing direct knowledge rather than third hand, like I read a bunch of books and put the best stuff together. So to get into COVID as an example of how these things we're talking about practically work and how they can be weaponized for greater effect let me quote the book you write

20:33 Everybody from Elizabethan alchemist John Dee to marketing supervillain Edward Bernays knows that you cast a spell with language. Few comprehend the depth of language itself, generating what we deem consensus reality and reality does not consist of things but of narratives engendered within us most think that there is a pre-existing world out there waiting for them to have more or less accurate thoughts about A world of inviolable physical structure. The idea that you can apprehend reality through thoughts fuels the vehicle of all narratives of control, so nobody blinked to clear their eyes when a mudslide of new terminology buried them from the blindside concocting a world as real as corporate news

21:22 social distancing, contact tracing, PCR testing, comorbidity coronavirus viral shedding carbon graphing nanobots etc. The looming issue has people thinking that this terminology is merely descriptive of a world they already inhabit never probing the linguistic fabric wrapped so tightly that they mistake it for skin This language is their world echoed through the same corporate media that profits from the medical tyranny mirrored in nodding agreement through grimaces sequestered behind masks and expressed in imperious anger at anyone questioning the validity of this fictive web. That somehow it makes perfect sense to stop a disease by keeping healthy people separated, isolated and oxygen deprived." Damn well

22:10 That does hit hard. Now, help us understand how Hermes relates to the whole COVID op. Okay, first of all I'm gonna hire you to do the audiobook. That's great! I felt like i was struggling there but... I'm going to try and be quick because the whole presupposition, the background for all sacrifice is the original sacrifice alright? And the Greeks couch this in what they call The One and The Many so the question is how did he get from the one to the many right? Because the one for Parmenides he called it being you know, it's unchanging. It's unmoving. It's unalterable and so when people talk about evolution of consciousness is problematic if you want to talk about the ancient times because this fundamental being does not change. It does nothing. It doesn't shift. It doesn't go up. Doesn't go down but

23:07 to get from that to the other is the original sacrifice. So in other words, The One has to sacrifice into The Many now how does it do that? Well, the first division would be male and female divine feminine, the divine masculine those two and then of course then there's the vesica overlap in the middle And if you were doing sacred geometry You'd be able to draw from that simple overlap, you would be able to draw all the proportions that are needed to generate this cosmos. So as Pythagoras said, the world is devised of number but number as quality not quantity

23:54 You know, whereas you know 15-2000 years later Galileo says all the world is made of number but he's not talking about the same thing. He's talking about quantity and you know Newton and the physicists and all that when worlds become as materialist so you have to understand So the original sacrifice is a divine sacrifice of itself into manifestation. I give a number of examples in the book, the most famous one probably being the Tao, The One Begot the Two, Two Begot the Three and Three Begot the Multitude of Things. Something along those lines but every ancient tradition has something along those lines so that division of the divine into those two and then into proportions

24:40 All right, so the gold to mean proportion. The two to three proportion, the three to four proportion they give you like for example, the musical fourth and fifth. So in other words...so the closer you are to that more harmonious the proportions are this is played out really in Plato's most famous myth which is the Myth of Atlantis which everybody thinks is historical and Plato is not a historian The whole myth is full of numbers and it's a musicological allegory.

25:16 that shows you what happens when you start off with divine proportions. He goes, in the beginning there was all the gods and then this sort of human element works its way in and this is a fall of Atlantis. And people have drawn out musical logical allegories of it and it's also geometric allegory. I don't know if you heard of John Michel? He did that work in his book. So the closer you are to these origins proportions, the closer you are to the divine. So if you walk into Chartres Cathedral, you resonate with those proportions because it's built on those proportions and it's in this stone and it just resounds in there and you were uplifted just by being there. And this is true of all temple architecture. Yeah because it's also true...the opposite is true

26:07 So when you walk into a bank or Walmart, or Soviet block building style architecture, you're diminished because it's sucking the lifeblood out of you. Why do you feel so depleted when you leave a building like that? As opposed to if you go to Chartres Cathedral, St John the Divine or whatever, you feel uplifted, you feel renewed and Actually, in Chartres Cathedral when we were there Keith Critchlow who was a geometer from England and architect who we studied with he pointed out to us there are three main doors in the front of Chartres Cathedral. So you've got the main door and then two side doors. He said that when you go in the right-hand side

26:58 and you ambulate, circumambulate around the cathedral. When you come out the other side they built it into the architecture that your a foot higher your upper foot higher than you were when you started so it has this effect on the physical and they built it into the architecture because they knew that and they had an aim and the aim was to elevate the human condition and the human spirit so that you come out a better person than when you first went in, rather than being depleted. We have talked about how some of that stuff worked in the ancient past and even earlier you said like it was interactive and I've heard people say that some of the Greek statues they would actually embody the spirit of the being and you could communicate with it like it was like a three-dimensional statue Ouija board kind of thing And uh...it was just a consciousness to consciousness

27:54 Connection is like the phone saying is that if you get proportions right. the deity inhabits the statue. Yeah, there you go! Like they're attracted to it or it just becomes a good vehicle for them—the signal is strong and they can speak through it. So I've wandered from your question... Do you want to move on? But what happens with as you read the whole COVID op is a linguistic op this sacrifice there's a particular sacrifice in Greece and was an animal sacrifice and it was enjoined between the humans and the gods, and there's all these aspects to it. You would do an invocation you'd do an ablution then you actually sacrifice an animal And you would partake of it, you would eat it. Actually the crappy part of the animal went to the gods because they're happy with their smoke

28:46 And then the good stuff was partaking of everyone. There was a processional through town, so what I show in the book is something to try to be really quick with this because you can read it's very detailed but COVID begins with an invocation. The invocation was event 201 right? Event 201 was the pre-COVID thing where they go in and they basically stated what they were going to do. All right, they invocated into their particular deities. Next thing was the ablution. What's the first thing you heard? Wash your hands! Wash your hands! Wash your hands! Right but it wasn't like washing your hands with pure water. You're washing your hands with Purell which is actually this chemical crap that makes you sicker

29:31 All right, next you know the next stage. You know then there's a processional. The procession you would bring the sacrificial animal through the streets. They'd be singing dancing etc What were we told to do? Well, we can't go outside We were locked down So it was an anti-procession. You couldn't process, you couldn't go out to dinner. The sacrifice itself is the death of George Floyd in a certain sense which is again an inversion because all these things are inversions right? Washing your hands with chemical crap is an inversion

30:07 So George Floyd, again you know they usually would slit the throat and then you know and again in the book I say i don't want to demean George Floyd as far as sacrificial animal but for the people who killed him he was a sacrificial animal no better than worse right. And you would increase... You would take the best animal and you would garland it and dress it and what have you before you killed it and elevate it up to uh a sacrifice for the divine George Floyd, of course he was a criminal. He's not the worst person in the world but he was a drug addict obviously. He died of fentanyl and methamphetamine overdose but it was given that this compression on his neck which of course the autopsy found there is no tissue damage on his neck killed him when if fact if you got the police cam angle it was on his shoulder holding

31:05 All right, but basically he OD'd. But then again so what did they do? They dressed him up into this superhero later and gave him angelic wings and you know everything like that. They even had icon paintings like Greek icon paintings of him. Right, yes. Right, right. So they turned it...so they turned him into that. So that's more or less it but in reality of course It was all a smoothie to get people to take the shot of which who knows what the percentage is. And that half is very dangerous, very detrimental and in fact I got shed on and had vertigo for nine months from someone who just got the shot hugging me so thats how

31:49 This sacrifice, which was this thing that held the culture together was inverted and then turned into a thing to rip the culture apart. Interesting yes okay now we're cooking I can kind of see Well, you're saying obviously I read the book but i'm trying to put my mind in the place of someone who's just hearing us talk and hasn't read the book and doesn't have all that context. But The Washing Of The Hands is really great! Yes that's how it starts then there's a procession six feet apart... That keeps the procession from actually happening You got to stay inside And six feet of course always invokes death like your six feet under or six feet apart So it does seem pretty calculated

32:31 Obviously talking about George Floyd can be thorny but if you're saying like look I'm just an observer and i'm telling you there are people in a sorcerer key controlling reality that are carrying out inversion of ritual. And this is what they decided to do. I think a lot of people here would admit that situation seemed performative, there's no real conversation about these guys worked together and knew each other? This isn't just some random cop pulling over a random guy So these people had a deeper relationship than is advertised. So yeah, it was a strange thing and it caused a lot of people to lose their minds the nearby Chase Bank near my house at the time got burnt down into the ground that was interesting to see so silver linings I guess right? To get deeper into how this works this another quote from the book you say

33:26 It was clear that Hermes, as the trickster, psychopomp, guide of souls and arbiter of travel, borders technology and communication wove his way into the fabric of our being in some grand and ubiquitous way. And I like that and I want to better understand the steps in the process. Why did we go through a Hermes event, not an Apollo event or Venus event? I understand these beings have their own agency but what really comes first do Bill Gates and Fauci consciously call on Hermes for help with this operation is it more subconscious walk us through how it works from the inception of the idea to the implementation of the operation. I'm going to say

34:07 know whether, it's hard to say whose side Hermes is on and that again is in the ancient literature. All right? But... Because he's mercurial. He sees Mercury Yeah, so he runs... He's very liminal. He's a border. So besides the border between night and day and death in life, he controls these borders of our lives. I would say that like everything with these people—and we talked about archons—it seems to me that they are mostly mimetic

34:47 They mostly copy. And in fact, I think that the only reason why certain elements keep us even humans around is because we have a creative ability that they do not have I would guess it's speculation on my part. Obviously, I'm not on their email list or anything but you know it seems to me that what we have is... What humans have is a creativity that gets co-opted by all these beings and entities and what have you because they need us to do something to invert so we come up with this sacrifice to honor the divine

35:33 And they take that and invert it. So whatever Hermes is, and wherever his lines of communication are I think that they are what they are. And I think these people understood it and co-opted because as you've read before, all these ops are linguistic you know, and we can talk about what's going on today which is not very different from COVID. You know with the Charlie Kirk episode you know and all these linguistic narratives that are being foisted upon us. Yeah and I'd like to bring in the component of emotions so they love to play on people's emotions because that's the best way to control someone So if you look at what Steve has done

36:23 It's really pattern recognition writ large. Mm-hmm, so he's just looking very I'm gonna say disinterestedly at the patterns and saying well this looks familiar. What did there's something about this that's familiar? What is it what is it and because he's got the background in the Greek philosophy and the Indian philosophy, we were trained to see and use discriminative discernment and To keep the emotions out of it to keep a steady steady gate

37:00 Then you're not pulled one way or the other I look at this debacle that's going on right now And I am appalled with the Kirk thing so now it's just like a big spectacle. So they're gonna happen We're gonna digress here, but you know there's gonna be this big ceremony and in the Stadium and it's like come on people It's dead a week yeah The posters are like some you know, some sort of rock star. They said that... You know for this I don't know if you saw the... They build it as an all-star whatever yeah all-star and you can buy tickets you know it's like going to a football game Yeah! You can kind of see the mirroring of situation like the George Floyd thing because here is this guy who is person who was exalted by those on the left and maybe artificially so not really worthy of such

37:54 exaltation, but on the other side the right's doing a similar thing. Charlie Kirk you know objectively he said some things I liked and a lot of things that didn't like. I'm not really a Christian and I'm not really a conservative it doesn't really matter though i don't think anybody should be killed in cold blood uh... and we should consider that a problem in our country if these are our neighbors you know i might not necessarily like my neighbor all that much but if he is shot in his driveway that bothers me So, you know this is a place we live. But you can see on the left they think from their perspective You're exalting a monster! This guy said some of the most terrible depraved stuff ever and your gonna put him with angel wings and halo up on the side of the building? Like it's the same outrage but mirrored. But if you understand that if you have the gravity

38:48 to stay grounded and not be pulled from one way or the other way. That if you just look at what's happening, like what do you see? Give me pattern recognition then you can determine well am I in agreement with this or am i not in agreement with this but they play the emotion card and it wins every time. It's like the house always wins Right, the trauma. You know it's always post-trauma go back to Naomi Wolf's Shock Doctrine or Naomi Klein I got the wrong name. Anyway you know that's MKUltra 101 Yeah so that's kind of what i wanted to get deeper into is the weaponization of just the way reality is structured So we started with hey this is the recontextualisation of the structure of reality in this realm of forms and symbols and archetypes

39:41 and they filter down through our consciousness. We're inspired to have certain ideas, we're maybe puppets for the gods so to speak I guess a little bit then it seems like there's powerful people who still have this context they don't actually believe in materialist contexts that they've taught all of us and they play with these things and manipulate them and weaponize them And when they put out a ritual or an op, it catches like wildfire because that's how reality works. Even though we don't remember it that way and then it looks like the people who are doing the COVID thing are little possessed there in kind of a cult you know this is the language that was used at the time I guess I want to know a little bit more about the weaponization of this Or who really has this context? Because you could say with the example of John Dee and Queen Elizabeth You know she's just obsessed with power She employs

40:31 and she basically is like, you know this is my objective consult the gods or do whatever and help throw some fuel on the fire. And I assume it's how it is today like I assume that maybe Klaus Schwab and these guys like about Gates and Fauci they decide they want to do something, they consult those who are more inclined on the ritual spiritual symbolic layer of reality and then they say help us make this work. And they all kind of work together I don't know but i guess i'm still struggling with like Even if you see it as a ritual, how does it filter down? How does it get to us and get implemented into society. Is it Hermes' idea I guess or is it Bill Gates and Fauci's idea? Well yeah, I think the transmutation the inversion is the idea of any control system from as far back as you want to go

41:26 All right, you know and we can start with for example Christianity when it aligned itself with the Roman Empire and changed everything around even though Tucker Carlson will tell me that no Christian has ever hurt anybody in the entire history of Christianity. I think he might be wrong but... And that's a whole other sideline but it's part of it because we still have kind of the receipts on on what happened to Christianity, barely. So it's kind of like what I said before that the fact that it gets... The script gets written for a connection to the divine you know? You go back to the Rig Veda, you go back to all the ancient scriptures and they're all about making some kind of connection and eventually

42:14 once we get into the much more modern era. And I think the last stronghold really was the ancient Greeks, what were called the pre-Socratics, the people who wrote before Plato and they were the last stand because the mystery traditions were kind of winding down in Greece even though... So that was again, the sacrifice is more like what people did their daily lives and within the culture, but also tens maybe much more thousands of people went through the Lucian mysteries and the Samothrace mysteries. And all these mysteries are condemned as pagan Satanism now by a particular church

43:07 that Tucker Carlson belongs to. And so, that's kind of like the last stronghold but again... So this is what the end of my book is about, it's this light of the mystery tradition and it was described more or less as a living light And in the end, no matter how many overlays it's like you know, you must have seen certain plants will just come by pushing through the tarmac in a parking lot. That's kind of what The Sacred does. You can't get rid of it because without it, without that light there's nothing. That light going back to what I was talking about the original sacrifice from the being the oneness into the many without that there is nothing. That is the possible-to-be experienced substrate of our existence you know we've almost lost all abilities to do that and as Chris said because he covered over with this sort emotional morass

44:10 and all this thing, because we're always being pulled into our emotional field. And this is an easy way to co-op people. Anger... I get anger all the time! It's just hard not to. What happens when you see yourself, when you see how you're being played? You can abstract from it you can see how they're trying to run something through you. And there's sort of a calmness in that. You'll see it right away? Yeah, I mean once you see it 30, 40, 50 hundred times because there's nothing... There's not one narrative out there that's real. It has just been found out that The Pentateuch, the five books are only written down in 240. There is not one reference

44:59 to the Jewish Bible before 240 BC. Shakespeare, complete canard! It's just like one after another... There is nothing. I got another my favorite sentence of book is basically that the fear of COVID, the fear of everything, the real fear is one that you're going to realize they've been lying about everything your whole life and that's a hard world to live in It's a really hard world to live in. But then if you get further and realize that your idea of yourself is just another friggin' fiction, and that it's a joke

45:41 And it's possible to just crack up when you think about yourself sometimes, what you think you are. So everyone talks about the world as a matrix and the world is a simulacrum but no one talks about themselves as one. But I'm real. This Stephen Krimme thing is real and this is what the ancients did. They broke down the aspects of experience So, for example in the classical yoga tradition there are two terms. One is called ahamkara and one is called asmita. Asmita is I am-ness so that's loosely translated as an ego and I think that I'm doing all these things right? And I think these things are you know...I do this, I do that and these are my consequences

46:30 My little Steve goes on from life to life and all that. I'm in this big school, you know? I'm learning from then you know And then there's something called a hum car. I am which means I making so in other words what you need In other words You can't transverse this reality without the sense that you are here and the room is There the door is there you can't go to the door you know, if you don't understand that you have this part of your experience where I'm separate from that within this construct. Otherwise it can't move." And not to interrupt you but you did send me an image of the TATVA chart is that what we're going through right now? Because i'll have them throw it on... Oh would you like too? We can pull that up and we can explain that Sure! You won't see us pull it up but we'll put it up on the screen in post

47:24 delineation of experience in classical yoga, Samkhya. Okay. Awkward word I'm not used to the K's and the Hs and the Y is all jammed together like that? Yeah it's an aspirated k. It's a difference between a cuh and a cuh. Fair so you would think that people who spend their time engaged with the mystic arts and meditation like they go to these other realms more regularly and they develop more experience over there, and then they develop a map so to speak. And that's kind of what this is right? It's like primary consciousness and then how things filter down to our reality. Correct! That's it that's really good description. Primary consciousness is good word because

48:11 Consciousness is not something that you can raise. You don't raise your consciousness, it's pure awareness. It's just what its is-ness it has no qualities so you can't raise consciousness but that's a good way that you phrased it in order to really understand what that is I'm trying You kind of nailed it with what you said there. So, you have to... I mean, you can start by just watching your experience and see that there's two aspects of it. There is a consciousness and manifestation. Manifestation includes thoughts, includes everything else. Consciousness is the awareness or the manifestations. Divine male is consciousness. Divine female is all manifestation. It's pure awareness and nothing else? Right!

49:04 It's not a... They are inseparable in experience. But you can distinguish them, but they're not apart from each other. You can't have one without the other because and according to that Tuffer Chart and according to yoga and according to Parmenides and Pericles, all of this sensorium runs through you. It's not we are now aware of a world out there it all runs through us because there is nothing out there anywhere. There is just our experience And in fact the divine needs us to experience its realms through our sensorium

49:50 Otherwise, there's nothing out there for the divine to experience. But everyone thinks that it is an independently existing world that exists eternally through time and the Big Bang and all this sort of stuff you know... And its just on and on but when if you get quiet enough in your experience and then that stillness You are able to experience how this operates through you. It's a radical vision, radical in the meaning of root. Yeah. So radix, root... it's a primal knowing without all the extraneous thoughts floating around about it

50:35 Right on. So you're kind of wading into what I was going to ask is how we can kind of revive these ways of thinking and living, and maybe see the influences in ourselves and what we do, what our will seems to be? For example when I've talked to some of the more occult inclined guests they describe my job as mercurial or related to Hermes communications and technology right that's what a podcast is but But with that recognition, is there anything that might help amplify my influence or a way to lean into this sort of stuff and these cosmic relationships? Like an example would be...

51:15 I heard this and I was like, okay great. Now how do I make an action out of this new information that I've realized? And I bought a talisman ring of mercury and I would wear it to try to better align myself with that energy if that's what my job is going to be. And it actually started to burn my skin after a week. So I took it off and put in a drawer...I don't know he doesn't like me maybe Maybe it was poorly done. Maybe it wasn't well done, yes. For me because I love books and reading, I would start with reading the ancient texts, the Hymns to Hermes if you want to connect with Hermes and the Orphic Hymns to Hermes and all that sort of stuff

51:59 So that's one way to start. I've got like a 12-page bibliography in the book, but there is guy named Kerenyi who is one of the few philosophers who writes about Hermes and ancient Greece from a very mystic perspective and of course there is Robert Graves whose... Do you know Robert Grave? I have heard his name before. White Goddess? White Goddess. He wrote, if you know that famous... What's the...? iClaudius. iClaudius which was maybe the best BBC series of all time about the Roman Emperor Claudius. It's just

52:39 It's delicious. It never gets old. Robert Graves wrote a book called The White Goddess, essential... it's not even reading as much as a compendium of all the ages and he also did a book on Greek mythology but have you noticed Greg that we've been deprived of being educated in these terms. Yes, obviously yes Right so way back a hundred years ago turn to that century people were learning classical Greek and Latin I was fortunate enough to get Church Latin because I was raised as a Catholic and so I got that end That's gone now but

53:17 way gone, but I got that Latin root so I was able to understand certain roots of words. But people used to learn Greek and ancient Greek in high school that was de rigueur. That's what you did and also when we first entered the ashram in New York. We were there 10 years and we got this amazing, classically oriented education and I was... And we had to learn Western philosophy along with the Eastern philosophy which was brilliant because the idea was that we're Westerners and everything we take in from the Eastern philosophy is going to go through this filter

54:07 Western. We have a Western body, so everything we take in...we need to know what's the ground that we're standing on? That our foundation is Western philosophy." So none of that was given to any of us and I was like 35 when I first got there. This is like high school level! We should have been learning about these pre-Socratics Empedocles, Parmenides these men they brought them they went into this deep introspective meditations called incubation, where they would lie flat in a very dark place for an extended period and the god or goddess would come to them. So Asclepius would come to them for healing or justice would come to them and give them the laws and then they would come out and bring the laws out

54:59 That's what our civilization is based on. And we've been deprived of that knowledge." Did you even know that your Western civilization is based on a sacred principle? You'd never know it. Yeah, and it takes a lifetime really or many years of study to get into this stuff and when you're past the school age of life, it gets hard to dedicate the amount of time required to really understand something as dense and as wide is the breadth of all this mythology. But to make this actionable for people, so let's say people are listening and they're like okay yeah I do recognize that maybe reality is structured in this way we've been talking about but yet I have no context, I haven't been taught it, I don't really have the time to go and unpack all of Greek mythology but let's say a person thinks about the job they do or what their will seems oriented towards

55:57 If we made this actionable, would you recommend them to be like okay well take those things those qualities and then you can just look up what gods and goddesses and myths relate to those qualities. Get yourself familiar with those beings and maybe that throws some fuel on your true will maybe if you align yourself with these beans there's people out there who are going to be like this is a backdoor to demonology but... That's their problem That's not my problem. Fair, fair well how do we make this actionable? Well I think the first thing you could do is just

56:33 just like everything else, if you're just starting out you're just going to follow what calls you and just follow if certain gods or something like that maybe call to you. Or Egyptian mythology or the yoga system or the Rig Vedic system—if those things call to you then I think it's a good idea to follow that and at some point someone will arrive who might know a little something, you know. And in the meantime if Reed Hermes runs the game I suggest that to everybody but you know i think that's a way to start. You know we were lucky we encountered

57:11 Like I said, we encountered a yoga center on Long Island that we were part of and it was very traditional. We learned Sanskrit and you know so we hang out in Asheville like Newt was, God knows what is now but it was New Age Center, New Age Central but it was often a frustration on our part that you know and still is to certain extent that we can't go to any real depth, you know. And we only know like a couple of people really that we can go through a real depth on this with so you gotta take it where it is understand this the Kali Yuga and do the best you can if you have an inclination to understand The Divine in your life that's a start

57:57 They say the deity, if you go halfway to the deity, the deity runs halfway to you somewhere in the yoga commentaries. But, you know I mean that's an action. And what that's going to lead you do because... You know? I'm not into like flowcharts or getting up and talking into the mirror and I'm gonna do this that and the other thing. Affirmations! Affirmations yes my favorite so and um well why don't you never mind anyway but because at a point where you know what's to be done in the moment. And whatever is to be done without looking for the consequences, positive or negative... I mean this is the teaching of the Bhagavad Gita

58:51 which ends in Arduino fighting a war. It doesn't end in Kumbaya and things like that, so I think that the end game is to really know what needs to be done in the moment and that'll be shown to you. And when that's shown to you, so the Greeks would call that having a daemon which the Christian church of course turned into demon. So Socrates famously had a daemon And he said it told him what not to do. He said wasn't very good at telling him what to do, never knew what to do but he knew what not to do and I kind of have that in my life she's kind of like yeah i know you don't go there brother so I don't know if that answers your question but that's because I'm like the last person to tell anybody what to do. Yeah well you could think of it sometimes maybe a good approach is to look at the gods as archetypes although it's not exactly a fit

59:50 But for the Westerner who's just getting started, that might be an opening. It goes it's more sophisticated than that. Right right the language is hard but I come at this really from watching The Elite and watching the parasite class, the controller class seeing what they do and they seem to have some very strange beliefs that go well beyond any of the Abrahamic religions. And they seem to be weaponizing it against us, so it's just something that I observed from that perspective and then try to reverse engineer huh? Well they probably know more than me. They have more access to knowledge. They preserve their knowledge a bit better. So maybe I should start to think along those lines but less dark."

1:00:37 Yeah, right. Because the libraries have all been burned. That too. Alexandria Library where we only know about certain people because of the heresiologists who wrote against them. But here's another way of looking at that is that our libraries have... This is what I thought you meant Our libraries have been burnt in that since the turn of this last century, books have been removed. That too? So it's kind of like a modern day book burning and that they just removed pertinent information like you talked about Jason Beshears and he was saying that he will... He collects all these antique books. He doesn't even look at buying a book if it was published after 1920

1:01:27 And he's showing that like the Encyclopedia Britannica had, I don't know let's grab a number and say 60 volumes. Now it stands at like 35. Well where'd all the rest of that knowledge go? That's book burning! So it wasn't just... you know I didn't look at it that way before but that's essentially what they've done to us if they robbed us of knowledge so you have to be proactive You have to have a burning desire from within To have real knowledge and not just to be spoon-fed knowledge, but you have to want to work. You have to use some kind of discipline in your life. Yeah it's hard! And I know everybody is busy, everybody is tired, everybody is burned out... Oh well do it anyway! So be it. I would just like to make a suggestion that if you read the book, if your listeners read the book

1:02:22 Peter Kingsley's book, Reality. Take that Parmenides poem and put it back together or Steve's book. Put it back together so that you've got the whole thread of the poem read that poem but read it piece like take each line and unpack it read it over and oh, it's kind of long but do it. And you will get an opening that will help you to see in a different way. It will like drop the veil, drop the scales from your eyes and you'll be able to see and perceive in a new old way." That would be my suggestion that I did on as I did that, I realized we can't just read it and skim it

1:03:10 It's not meant to be that way. Right, reflect on it Let them carry you, carry you, carry you Well we've given the people the tools hopefully they'll experiment with that Thanks for letting me get in Of course and just remind people if there is anything else you want to tell them about the book That maybe you might recall us missing before but is a hefty one But give em' the old goodbye pitch Logosophiabooks.com so its the logos and Sophia And that's where you get my book. And then we have a whole bunch of other wonderful books, I think we're up to 30 now that we publish and we also have an obscure channel Good Crack YouTube channel that certainly haven't put up anything since the hurricane hit here year ago so we've been slowly talking about

1:04:08 getting that going again and my sub stack. I think if you hit substack in Chris and Steve Crimi, it'll pop up so- You can read the Red Heifer. And you read out...I think I write a lot better than I speak. So things you enjoy. Enjoyed it? I'm listening to him reading my stuff as well. That's pretty good. Wow! Just a quick funny story if you don't mind. Sure. Yeah, so there's this thing called Academia Edu where because if you're like an academic scholar like me, you can't afford to buy scholarly articles unless you're within an institution that buys them for you. A lot of scholars put up their papers

1:05:03 on academia. So I have a bunch of mostly chapters from my books, but also couple other papers up there and then they send you feed while you might be interested in this. One of the chapters of my previous book, Katabatic Wind was on this comparison of Hamlet with Arjuna who is the main character of the Bhagavad Gita And I found all these interesting similarities and it ended up being a long essay. So then they send me this feed of someone, oh look someone's written a piece on Hamlet and Arjuna how interesting? And I'm reading it and I'm reading it and I was like wow this guy is really good! You know he's got what great insights and then like three paragraphs in I was like holy shit this is my piece. That's gotta be nice but the guy clipped it The guy stole it claimed that it was him

1:05:57 Then I got this really apology, non-apology. There's an Indian guy who was looking at just put something in and he's like, oh it was an accident. Right? Always an accident. When you get caught it's always an accident. Anyway but the point being, I'm pretty abstracted from what I write in a lot of ways so I don't even realize Because I think a lot of it is Talia. Channeled, yeah. Coming through in a lot of ways so anyway thanks for the opportunity to speak with you. The kids in the cast were really good today. Yeah well half of the troublemakers aren't here

1:06:42 So yes, thank you so much. I appreciate bearing with me trying to get a simple two hour interview recorded has taken a lot of effort and we got it done now, I think so. Thank you so much. Uh, I think we gained, we gave people a lot of interesting insights like if everything is filtered down from the spiritual realm COVID would be as well. And that's obviously what the book is about, is giving people all the lost context to understand how an event like that could be an inversion of something almost eternal a myth that runs in the ethereal so I appreciate it thank you guys so much and take care

1:07:26 All right, well this will forever be the interview in THC history that prompted me to make a big change and how we do it. And I've started the process of trying to elevate my home set up. I bought some stuff it isn't in place yet but we'll see. I'm reconfiguring the home workflow and winding down my time at the studio and I'm sure I'm going to reorganize these books back here Anyway, it was fun while it lasted. It was a little over-the-top way to launch the video aspect but the great and powerful Oz has spoken! It's not working out I don't live that close traffic can vary wildly and I simply have more control at home I don't need a fancy set I need to feel comfortable And know that if a guest wants to keep going we're not on anyone else's time That's important

1:08:14 These are the things that would not go away, even if the most talented and competent staff wasn't pushed out. So you know I would rather just produce good interviews and not worry too much about having to brief you on the inside baseball stuff but here we are Anyway, I appreciate Steven Chris taking the extra time to meet with me more than once. And I think even just in the two parts of this interview it's pretty clear when you compare them that I'm way more comfortable at home and in terms of the quality, it really doesn't matter at all. I do think this will be well liked. I am a little concerned that we didn't exactly articulate

1:08:56 every last detail and connect every dot in the argument that we said we were going to make, but I still think there's a lot of surrounding material that should be well liked. The vast majority of the home recording part is just the plus show, but that is where I had time to think about how to get the best out of them given what I had already gotten and I think that part was very good I like hearing about the breakthrough experiences of people who seem to have a good handle on the unseen world and its influence. And we did that in a big way, I think his story about the stained glass window was really great. And that's just the thing we talk about all the time. The maybe it's romanticizing little bit, but the actual ability to

1:09:46 Elevate and alter consciousness and get to divine states using all the tools in the toolbox that were embedded in a lot of those cathedrals. So to see, or at least hear a story firsthand of someone who had that experience it's kind of like the technology isn't totally dead. It's still there for people who go in with the right mindset and have that genuine experience It's nice to get that confirmation, I guess is what i'm saying. And he also wanted to re-stress the notion that this is not a Christian nation... That that's a hijack and we should get back to our older deeper roots

1:10:28 Say what you might about that idea, but the reason I think that Steve feels so compelled to get that point across—and he did kind of say this—is because that Christian identity is going to be used and weaponized in the next couple years to get us into the next big round of the eternal holy war they seem to keep pushing for. If you can propagate the message that we're not decisively a Christian nation, then it's hard to get us vested in the dialectic or trialectic of the big three religions trying to wipe out each other in the next few years. I also think it's a worthy point and I hope his point is understood that uh...it's not really a personal attack on anyone—you can be a Christian

1:11:16 But the idea that we have been founded an obligation to be a Christian nation, to fight in this Holy war. That's a different thing altogether. So you do you and the plus show? We picked it up fleshing out some of the things that they said in our first session, we talked about some of those personal breakthrough experiences that I thought were really fun to hear about. And then we talked more about the Erica Kirk speech where she talks about that gray hair, that Charlie had a very strange thing to focus on. I would say and

1:11:53 It only really makes sense if you're trying to match symbolically the rules laid out for the red heifer sacrifice. I found that really interesting so many people in conspiracy land, we're talking about the red heifers some are talking about them literally and that a certain farm has shipped the red heifers off. I don't know but i do know that speech was weird and maybe it's a fit It's also a bit wild that when we talked about the George Floyd sacrifice in the first session, I was kind of in real time thinking about the symbolic. Symmetry between Charlie Kirk and George Floyd. And I learned only after that they have the same birthday. I think I mentioned this in a wrap up. We talked about it at the meetup that I'd already said this on air, but

1:12:42 Uh, maybe the continuity is screwed up. But at that time I didn't know it and I learned it in between the two sessions and that is just too weird. That's snake eyes level weird, but I hope you liked this episode. I think it stitched together pretty nicely and I think you'll see that a couple of studio shows are still in the pipeline, but I've also been recording them from home. So it's going to be scattered which ones come out but after that its pretty much gonna be smooth sailing here and I'm just getting used to things like sharing my screen in the middle of an interview and getting those resources into the video myself, rather than just doing it all in post. I actually think it's better. It allows the guest to feel like we're commenting in real time about whatever it is that they're throwing up. And of course, I'm going to put those in the show notes as well, but

1:13:38 I've learned, I'm pretty comfortable with the multitasking and making some of our interviews a bit more multimedia. Weird tangent but I do remember back in the early days of wanting to do standup having these conversations that stand up is one of the few things where you can't really practice in advance. You have to practice live in front of an audience it's not like learning guitar or piano or anything where you can do it in isolation And then do it for a crowd and it's basically the same thing. Sure, there's nerves and all that but stand-up is so interactive that It's just really hard to practice alone I mean yeah you can memorize some shit But it's just different and what I'm doing here is also while it's not super complicated I'm not trying to say that it is also like something that I could only really do live I can

1:14:32 I think I have everything set up correctly. I can be prepared with my imagery that I'm going to flex in at the right parts of the interview, but it is also still like a live thing and it's hard to practice and advance some of that especially with an organic conversation. But I am super psyched about the ones you're going to see popping up here probably the beginning of December anyway Sign up for plus if you like what I'm doing here, eight to 12 bucks a month and you get five fully packed interviews. You know the deal always add free the higher side chats.com as for the last show and how it's rating has been going let's get into that. And I also should say that people keep asking me where to rate the show. And I guess I got to remind myself too.

1:15:26 Remind you that any plus member can log in and on the page for a given episode. You will see above the comment section below the show notes, A section with five stars and you can click on any number of stars that you wish to give a show so Any plus member can log in, use the five-star rating system and contribute to the overall aggregate rating. And last week we had the Godfather, The King of Conspiracy Culture himself, The Great David Icke I try to get David every so often just because it's a personal joy for me. I know it's not much of a subscription seller, because there is no shortage of David Icke content out there but for me he is like an actual celebrity that I get nervous to talk too and thats fun!

1:16:15 But it was well liked a good interview that netted a 4.7 I can't complain about that, especially given like what I said there's a lot of content out there is hard to say you've heard something new and there were comments that said that thought this was just kind of review they didn't hear much they hadn't heard before I get that, but I think the rating is high just out of a general love for him. I don't know if people are all literally rating this exact two hours of content and they're just like David likes awesome five stars. That's what I would do and I get that so I have the next four recorded as I was kind of saying, I would say to our good and to our great

1:17:00 A couple people have asked me if I'm going to do the signed script outline auction thing again this season and, I don't think so. I like doing it. It has been a nice little Christmas bump for me, a nice little bonus check we could say but i just don't have the time right now and even though I have scripts that have piled up and are sitting in a drawer I'm just too tired this year to go and stand in line at the post office in specifically the months of November and December. Maybe I'll dust it off in the summer. I know, I'm really only talking to a few people who are interested, but I appreciate that anyone is interested in that and thought to ask and uh maybe think about it more asked me again in six months let's say that

1:17:48 And when it comes to the meetup calendar, the last piece of the wrap up puzzle. Let's see what we have on deck. Okay? We are looking at the 19th of November. It's going down in Helsinki Finland. We've talked about that. I do hope that is a Solid turnout for Helsinki. I don't really know what the audience is like in Helsinki But it's definitely resonant with the box saga stuff that we do like around here and then November 20th, Hollywood California the cat-and-fiddle classic British pub A discussion on magic and the dignity of man. Well, that's the place to do it a lot of dignity left in Hollywood we will say that and then November 29th a rune soup THC crossover event I haven't even talked to Gordon about this i don't think he knows but Austin Texas bringing it back around

1:18:41 And then in December we have a couple already. We have one at Heart Bar in Brooklyn, New York on December 3rd and then December 6th Vancouver Washington the Double Barrel Tap House Alright not so bad okay so if you want to meet like-minded locals you know where to go no catch anyone can make a free event take advantage and have some fun That's about all she wrote guys. Check out Hermes runs the game and all the books they published at logo Sophia books.com you know, I love the more esoteric angles of things and if our reality is really structured this way then you would expect to see this ethereal interplay with the gods in pretty much everything but

1:19:25 We'll save a deeper discussion on that for another day. I've done my part, your move Hermes myth inverters Christian converters and sacrifice facilitators your fucking move. It's so sad to see running what they got still can't be happy even up on top it only makes sense every store too much pressure makes anything break where it used to bend is something broken by

1:20:11 It's all fallen down in love Well they cast a long shadow Almost anyone It's a complicated good The devil we know They've done Has only made us more alone The spirit of the project No longer seems to be home And they've run out of Nutri Something rotten in Denmark Isn't looking great, it's going badly

1:21:08 Brussels, I don't think Chicago is okay Lake Castle on Shag Where are you? It's a complicate for the devil weed What comes after our last one Much money Plenty of payback Better In a certain sense of the phrase Look forward to tomorrow If we can just get through today There's something rotten in Denmark And San Francisco Bay

1:22:02 Plenty of problems in Paris. I don't think Austin's okay Well, they cast the most steady It's a complicated good for the devil we know