Robert Salas | UFOs, Missile Shutdowns, & Abduction Experiences

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01:47 Thanks. But lately a few people have written me in disappointment that we've gotten way too much into magic or way too far into the conspiracy world, or even dabbling too much with spiritual and philosophical ideas and I try to make everyone happy...and the bigger audience gets, the more I'm finding that impossible But we're going to swing this pendulum back into the paranormal for the sake of the people who have asked. Because aliens and UFOs are definitely a THC staple, and you can only go so long before you really just have to pay some homage to that strangeness in the sky And today that is what were doing with one those oh-so extra bonus shows

02:26 I'm psyched to get the ball rolling on this one because we know that when it comes to the UFO situation, two of the most interesting aspects that come up time and time again are their strange ability and desire to shut down our nuclear facilities. And also the abduction phenomenon. Well today were going to be talking with one of very few people who has had personal experiences with both these aspects which in my eyes is quite a treat! His name is Robert Salas and he graduated the Air Force Academy in 1964, served 7 years of active duty. Flew target drones as a weapons controller, commanded international ballistic missiles as a launch officer and had one helluva night at his position on March 24th 1967 He's written a new book called Unidentified The UFO Phenomenon I really enjoyed it And i'm so psyched to talk about all this stuff Robert my man welcome to the show

03:18 Thank you Greg, thank you for having me on. Well the pleasure is mine good sir! You know I've always had a fascination with UFOs and as interesting as it is It seems very far removed from me in my life So as the host of a show like this it's pretty exciting to get to speak personally with people who have had first-hand experiences It's a bit of a rare opportunity And you have had a very rare pair of life experiences. You must feel pretty lucky huh man? I don't know if luck's the word, but I do feel responsible for telling the public about these experiences since I did have them. So I'm happy to share any part of it with you and of course I've been investigating for about 20 years now. Man that is such a long time!

04:07 Yeah, yeah it is. It is Well I'm a little jealous I have to say but let's get into this experience that you had in the Air Force I think a lot of the audience is aware of these types of things we hear about them a lot in ufology but I don't know how often we hear one detailed by someone who was actually really there so I guess walk us through what happened Okay, in 1967 I was a missile launch officer in Montana stationed at Great Falls, Montana. I was part of the two-man crew and we our job was basically to monitor and launch missiles if ordered and these were intercontinental ballistic missiles

04:44 So on this one particular evening, we went out to a place called Oscar Flight which is located about 100 miles east of Great Falls Montana. It was one of 15 what we call launch control centers or launch control facilities where we had a capsule underground concrete and steel hardened capsule And we went on duty about every three days or so. We had about six guards upstairs, uh... On this particular night—this was March 24th 1967— my commander and I —my commander is Fred Mywald

05:23 We went, we relieved the crew on duty and then after dinner he took a rest break. One of us had to be awake at all times so... Sometime in the evening hours I get a call from topside guard who says there's lights flying above the facility making strange maneuvers flying very fast turning on a dime making 90 degree turns they wanted to report it They said it was, they weren't airplanes I didn't quite know what to think of all that. I kind of discounted it at the time and then he called back about five minutes later this time, he's screaming into the phone saying that there is a glowing red object hovering above the front gate. Scared to death had their guards out with all their weapons

06:16 He simply wanted me to tell him what to do next. I was kind of shocked, because I didn't know exactly what was going on but he's serious and he was frightened by his voice so all i said is make sure nothing comes inside the gate area and then he had had a hang up I went to tell my commander about the phone calls and as i was starting to tell him about the phone calls we got a lot of bells and whistles going off inside the capsule. We have klaxons, warning lights and sounds that go off so we look over at the board

07:00 all 10 of our missiles were going no-go, or disabled while this object was still up there. And we had a way of querying the system to find out what's wrong and they were all reading guidance and control system failure. So we had inertial guidance system on the missiles. They're very sensitive course too being locked on target or locked on their location so those are very particular piece of equipment called a logic coupler which was upset. So this object, whatever it was overhead would have had to send us signal

07:39 to each one of our missiles separately and interfere with the logic coupler of each missile. It would have had a penetrated, the signal would have been penetrate 10 separate cables which are triply shielded against electromagnetic interference so... Wow! That was it in a nutshell We later were notified that the same thing had happened in another flight. I thought it was that night, but as it turns out, it was a week earlier. Same situation where UFO's came over and shut down 10 of their missiles So within the span of eight days, we lost 20 missiles. Wow! UFOs... 20 missiles over 8 days? I mean did you guys feel like you were under attack? You know it felt like it. I felt there was some kind of maybe a terrorist attack going on topside but the thing is those missiles were not damaged at all they would be guidance system was simply upset

08:42 There was no damage to the missiles. We got them back up on alert within 24 hours, we had sent crews out there but basically my take was that this was simply a message The message being get rid of your nuclear weapons. And that's a very common thing we hear in ufology, that that's what abductees have said they were told? These facilities keep getting screwed with a little bit but it is interesting to me because I had typically thought when this happened the systems just lost power but this seems like way more calculated kind of thing targeting this logic coupler They must be familiar with these systems in some way

09:21 Absolutely, they're very well familiar with our systems. There was another incident when the Echo flight which was the one I mentioned a week earlier had a crew go out of one of those sites there and I got this information from the man that It was actually there, he was working to restart the missile system retargeted and while he was working one of the guards upstairs again because we had go down into the tube where the missile is actually located. But one of the guard's upstair said that there was you know pointed to an object in the sky this orange ball again above the facility He noted it and told him reported to command post went back downstairs

10:09 and started going through his checklist to restart the missile. And every time he'd get to a particular point, the missile would shut down again and go through this checklist again. He did this many times, he said. He tried it over and over and each time we got to a specific point in his checklist, the missile would shut down that indicated to me... To him This object was intelligently controlled and knew exactly how our systems worked. Man, for these beings to be able to manipulate some of the most complex weapon systems on the planet like puppets on strings. I mean that's it leads me to think that either our technology is pretty typical for a civilization at our level and maybe they do this across a whole host of evolving planets or They're somehow human maybe surviving Nazis who had advanced on their technology? I mean there are a lot of researchers talk about that being the source of some UFOs Is that something you consider a possibility?

11:09 No, I don't consider that at all. Now you know this is clearly non-human in your eyes? These are not humans if this were human intelligence in 1967 we certainly would have heard more about it by now no again what this object was able to do was penetrate 60 feet of earth and concrete with a specific signal very specific Penetrate the triple shield key when system we had and send a signal to this particular piece of equipment. And they did it to each of the 10 vessels separately these missiles were not interconnected in that way man that is just so

11:52 I don't want to say scary because i'm actually more scared of the puppet masters in the power pyramid that want these missiles to go off or built them for mutually assured destruction in the first place but it's definitely a security risk for sure. It did, it certainly caused big stir within the air force some of the top commanders came down to melstrom air force base and interviewed the previous crew the echo flight crew By the time our incident happened, I was at Oscar flight. You know this was There was a full-blown investigation going on and we were simply told not to talk to anybody and primarily because the Condon investigation was ongoing where Edward Condon Of University of Colorado was given a contract to study the UFO question right for the Air Force But it was basically whitewash

12:45 They did not, the Air Force did not want us to talk talking to them or anyone else. So we were ordered never to talk about this of course I didn't want to ask you Did you get the vibe that these people who are telling you to be quiet? Did you get any impression that they were less surprised about the story Yes and matter fact they did when We were the next day. We were told report to squadron commander's office I walked in the office with my commander and first thing I asked him, the squadron commander was whether this was an Air Force exercise. He said absolutely not he has no idea what happened or why? I thought they would want us to give them a full briefing of what happened and No that was not the case with with my squadron commander who was a member of AFOSI, Air Force Office Special Investigation

13:41 And again, I thought they would ask us a lot of questions but it seemed like they already knew. Again because of Echo Flight happening eight days earlier. Now all he wanted to do was have me sign these papers saying that I'd never talk about it Right, and I mean obviously you waited a huge number of years But and you are talking about it now have there been any repercussions or what? What got you to start talking about it. Okay well in course this

14:17 Order was in writing and it specified that even after I was out of the Air Force, I was not to talk about this under penalty of prison Etc. So well, I resigned from the Air Force 1971 and then I went to work for aerospace industries then a federal aviation administration in 1994 I was getting ready to change careers and become a teacher. And i was in the bookstore at the university of Washington, and picked up a book called above top secret by Timothy good. In there on page 301 is short paragraph stating that missiles went down at maelstrom air force base

15:07 During a UFO event I got kind of excited because I thought the Air Force had declassified because here it was in print. And nobody was supposed to know about this. So I took a chance and went to the local MUFON, Mutual UFO Network and talked to an investigator there named James Klotz. And asked Klotz to send a request, a FOIA request to the Air Force not mentioning anything about UFOs and see if he could get more information about this. He did, and we got a return mail stating that this incident was still classified. However since it had been so long they were going to declassify it So they declassified what I refer to as the Echo Flight Incident That was the one that happened previous to ours But I thought at the time because it described it so It matched what I recall. I thought it was my incident

16:06 So I started speaking openly about it because that incident had been declassified. But it wasn't until later, maybe a year or so later that I found out how was it Oscar flight and my incident happened eight days later. So here I am, I'm public about it, so I decided to keep going up to this point. I have not been contacted by the Air Force or any government agent telling me not to speak about this Wow, man. I mean, I appreciate it and know so many people out there do appreciate your willingness to talk about this because it's something that is super important to me It's one of the most interesting things on the planet The situation with UFOs and... To not hear about these things is just sinful! So wrong! I really think we deserve to know And we should be more interested as a culture Seems like mainstream could care less about getting at bottom of this issue Which is little bit sad but.. I agree

17:04 There must be so many other stories out there, who knows how weird of people who've just never ended up talking because they signed one of those similar documents to yours. Oh not only that but it's a the ridicule factor is still out there People don't want to be laughed at and then they don't want lose You know their reputation or their jobs That is a serious deterrent to people coming forward But yes, there are a lot of people out there that have a lot of information but For whatever reason, I have not come forward yet. Absolutely!

17:49 In my book I list about 14 other incidents. This has happened at other bases within the United States Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota Francis C Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming Myron Air Force Base in North Dakota it's happened that based in Italy NATO base in the Netherlands and Solstaberg, where nuclear weapons were being stored. It happened at Betwaters base which is in the UK again a nuclear weapon storage facility UFO comes over shines a beam of light over the facility Aviano airbase was the one I was thinking of in Italy and NATO base again nuclear weapons UFO flies over shines a beam of light

18:41 on the weapons storage area. So I'm convinced that really what they're up to with regard to nuclear weapons is to literally shine a light on them and state, send a message that these things can do us no good at all and could possibly obliterate living things on planet Earth which Not only would affect us, obviously but may even affect them in some way. One other idea that people in the ufology community talk about with these beings is that possibly they could be survivors of previous civilizations, maybe from before the flood or the destruction of Atlantis or something like that who retreated underground and they've just been living kind of in secret and advancing their technology which you would think would be far more than the surface if they had been around for so long. And it's also a crazy idea! It's just as crazy as these being from outer space

19:46 But it kind of makes me think that's why they might have such interest in keeping the planet safe, because it is their home too. I don't know... It's a weird idea but have you ever entertained that thought? Not really. I do believe there are underwater bases and there is evidence also that some of these objects to fly into mountains or into volcanoes and could have underground bases. So at this point I'm not going to discount any possibility, no matter how crazy it sounds because we just don't have a

20:30 a complete story, a complete picture of where these beings are from and what they're up to. Right it's really weird situation but every time someone like you comes forward we get another little piece the puzzle and I think you add these things together and we get a clearer picture and that is happening all the time but in your book you also say that for your money you would put it down on the fact that international UFO cabal is most likely responsible for the secrecy that we have And that's interesting. I definitely think that's likely, but how do you think this group was formed? Do you think they answered to anyone? Well, again, this is speculation, but if I had to pin it down and say it probably originated

21:17 after the Roswell crash in 1947. Because the Air Force initially stated that they had recovered a saucer and then, a day later they were overruled by higher-ups so that started to cover up the basic coverup that the Air Force and other government agencies in the United States have been involved in now as you point out these incidents have occurred worldwide From that standpoint, there's probably individuals within governments in other countries that somehow the United States agents let's say because again it is not the US government I place in this cabal. It's individuals a select group of people are probably within intelligence agencies of the US government

22:11 that are part of this cabal and they probably made contact with intelligence groups in other countries that are handling the secret. And they've probably been doing so since about 1947 In fact, in 1950 a man by the name Wilbert Smith an engineer working for the Canadian government in United States during a project he was doing with top scientists in US was told that the UFO question is being studied by a secret group and this secret group is headed by Vannevar Bush. Vannevar Bush was the top scientist, US top scientist during World War II he was the one who oversaw the project for the first nuclear bomb test at a bomb so

23:05 Certainly there's good evidence that this secret group does exist and has existed since at least 1950. I know that Boeing did a study of your incident, but I'm inclined to think that companies like Boeing and Lockheed Martin they might even have more secrets than the government! I wonder how involved they are with shaping some type of international cabal on this UFO topic? Yeah, well again I have little doubt that we have recovered craft and beings extraterrestrial beings and have gleaned scientific knowledge from them in the craft.

23:49 and attempted to convert that to uses in our own military aerospace companies. Philip Corso mentioned this, Philip Corso of course you probably heard about him he was very much involved in the transfer technology from what was studied as a result of recovery of the Roswell crash So, yeah I think all the major aerospace companies have classified programs working with the military on these things. And so again to me the ability to transfer that technology in a classified manner, secretive manner would be fairly easy to do

24:37 Yeah, and your book has so much interesting information on this and just secrecy in general in the way it's handled. A couple of points that I just thought kind of were... they just blew my mind! I was kinda surprised. In 2009 the American Civil Liberties Union did a study there is over 2.4 million Defense Department personnel that hold security clearances I mean that is so many, of course they're different levels but also in 2010 Information Security the Information Security Oversight Office made 76.8 million classification decisions and a 40% increase from the previous year which cost taxpayers 10.2 billion just in 2010 for the added effort and classification activities alone

25:23 That's just this one little section that keeps secrets from us. I mean, that seems a bit excessive especially when you have people starving on the streets Well, let's clarify that a little bit. ISOO is a government group that reports to the president every year on the classification of material within the government agencies so that 7 million or I can't remember 76.8 million classification decisions? 76.8 million it covers all agencies within the government So that's all military and

26:00 other agencies. But that's still an awful lot. Yeah, it is astounding! That's why I titled that chapter Excessive Secrecy or... It's just very extreme and that ultimately affects our democracy because it keeps the public uninformed And an uninformed public cannot properly monitor its government and what they're up to. So, that to me does affect our democracy.

26:41 Again, the public ought to be outraged about it. I agree man and we are at about the halfway point...I wanted to switch gears a little bit talk about your other experience this one you had in 1985 kind of funny your first experiences March 24th when my birthday is March 25th and i was born in 1985 so add it together This is a lot more personal than what happened to you on the job in 1967. This is closer to the realm of an abduction, can you kind of tell us what you remember from that experience? Yeah I'll preface it by saying that well what I'm about this say is result for hypnotherapy sessions I've had with various hypnotherapists

27:24 We're three separate hypnotherapists and I didn't talk about this for a long time. I only recently decided that when I wrote this book, decided to come forward with this and the reason I did is because of the public needs understand that this phenomenon is more complex than we can even imagine And the abduction phenomenon or abduction aspect of this phenomenon is major. It's a major part of their objectives, by there I mean I do believe it was extraterrestrials. So I'll go through my incident in 1985 we were living in Manhattan Beach California at a location that I recall specifically because

28:16 What I did in Manhattan Beach was to remodel homes and fix them up, sell them then move on. I was trying to get close to the beach and I knew where it was in 1985. My wife and two small children were living in the house one night. I wake up for some reason. I just wake up and notice that there's a bluish colored light coming from our living room I wake up my wife and she also sees the blue light. And, I tell her that I'm going to get up and investigate because somebody may be in the house so... So, I start to get out of bed and all of a sudden I am paralyzed! I cannot move. This is reason number one this was not a dream it's just because I remember how intense struggle I had trying to get my mobility back

29:18 flailing on the bed and struggling with everything I had to try to get my strength back. Scary! It was frightening, so I turned to my wife and asked for help... And she's out! She is unconscious which is unheard of because we had two small kids. Anyway next thing I remember I'm looking at the doorway to our bedroom Hooded individual and I can't make out a face even to this day, but I do remember hood dark Individual um and then I also became aware that there were others in the bedroom it was just if sense that there were others in the bedrooms and then the next thing I recall is floating off the bed and Floating towards our bedroom window now

30:24 I had locked that bedroom window the night before. I guess it was just a habit i'd gotten into and I thought to myself they don't know how to open this window, It was latched Now, by that I've implied to myself and you know convinced myself that they did not seem like adults or they did not seem like adults that knew how windows operated. But it didn't matter because I went right through the window. The window was closed and I went right through the window. And I don't know how crazy this sounds

31:08 But that's what I recall happened. It went right through the window, but next thing I remember, I was on a table presumably on board of craft. I had three beings around me and one of them held long needle in his long bony little hands. I remember the fingers, the appearance of the fingers but this needle could have been about a foot long. And it was long And he wanted me to see it. He actually placed it in front of my eyes, he wanted me to see it and this again is not verbally as telepathically I was told that they were going insert this needle into my groin area It was not going to hurt but as they started the procedure it hurt like hell and thats point number two why I think this was not a dream

32:09 because the pain was excruciating. I've never had any pain like that before or since. When I complained about this pain, the pain went away almost immediately so that's what happened there After that I recall being taken off the table sat on a bench area There was another We'll call them extraterrestrial. In a joining room, I was taken there

32:47 And had what seemed to be like a checkup. He poked me in the back, again fingers along my spine after that I was escorted by two beings one on either side and again we were floating we weren't walking we're floating off the surface and then floated through a tunnel a curved tunnel and then there was this white flash of light And I was back in my bed. Wow again all this I did not remember any of this the next morning In fact, I didn't remember any of this until about seven years ago After you know being involved in this and talking to other people some of these little bits of what I just told you came floating back into my memory and that's why I decided to

33:43 I had an initial session about seven years ago with a therapist and started getting back some of these things. The final thing that convinced me this is not a dream was my wife coming to me after Seeing a blue light she came to me later and said that she saw the blue light So she confirmed to me that yes, in fact She had also seen the blue lights at night. So those three things Convinced me that this was real it was not something I you know fabricated made up Wow

34:25 That is an amazing story. And I've heard you talk about it a little bit before, and there's a couple of indications that this has happened multiple times because of the layout of the room right? Right My wife remembers the doorway and window being in a different location than I do but if we jump forward a couple years not more than a couple 1990 To 1992 we lived in Seattle and had a house there that fits what she recalls as the location of the doorway in the window. But again I had a different recollection than she did so, and also she has a recollection of her waking up and seeing the blue light and then

35:17 Going back to sleep and I was not awake at that during that incident So we're thinking that we probably had multiple incidents But she at this point does not want to go through therapy. And and so that's where we are right now Wow, that is such a wild story. It's very consistent with other abduction reports A lot of people talk about a hybridization program going on They're putting a large needle in your groin area You might have some alien hybrid children out there Robert I just might...I just might It's it's a weird thought but that's what else are they doing?

35:58 Yeah, there's no doubt. There have been so many witnesses and abductees that have talked about seeing hybrid children on board craft asked to hold a hybrid child that they're told is theirs, told to give it love and things like that. It's very likely that there is a hybridization program going on. And you also have a chapter in the book that I really love where you talk about some other UFO stories of people's testimony, things that I had never heard stories that I wasn't familiar with one of them this guy John Mulliken he has a story it's pretty similar to yours right?

36:45 Well, not exactly. I think you're thinking of John Doe and John Mulliken was 17 years old lived in up here in Central California 1959 he lived near Beale Air Force Base which in 1959 was a B-52 base They had b-52 bombers and again nuclear weapons And he recalls as a teenager seeing UFO's fly over the base and over his home. And would watch as fighter jets were sent out, scrambled against these UFO's and chased them so he'd watch these chases in the evening. One time one of these UFO's came very close to him and came down

37:42 Three of the beings waved to him. But he's a very credible witness, as matter of fact I went out and interviewed not only him but his mother who also saw these objects and she confirmed that yes indeed they were flying over. So John had a couple photographs which i put in my book And they confirm photographs that were taken from another source, 1965 where the UFO when it left at high speed left a smoke ring.

38:24 And in LA, of course we have a lot of smog at least in 65. We had a lot of smog and the theory is that this soot or smog collected on their craft but when they left it high speed they left this smoke ring of soot behind. Yeah. John Mulliken had a photograph which also shows a smoke ring left behind after UFO flew off. Yeah, it's a fascinating story he said when the craft well John said when the craft did look through the window and they waved at him he felt a euphoric feeling like as almost if they were family yeah very strange right and then wasn't it was I believe I'm looking at the book now but I believe it was this same

39:18 John Mulliken fellow who had a second experience later where someone was in his room And he was floated to a craft and then he later felt pain in the groin. Yes That's the aspect that I thought was pretty similar to yours Oh, yes absolutely that aspect was so Yeah what can I say it? Yeah, it does leave you kind of speechless this just it's a weird situation Another woman, Josie Zwinnenberg had a really interesting story. The aspect that I thought was kind of crazy is that she had an encounter where she saw something and then 31 years later

40:01 somebody approached her and started talking to her about that incident, and even mentioned to her hey you remember when you heard something in the bushes? And she was like whoa I never told anybody that. They said well hey we've been watching you since that day for 31 years! That is kind of collaborating evidence to your theory about the Cabal. Yes exactly. Josie is by the way...that's her real name Yeah, exactly what you said. Fairly recently she ran into someone while she was on vacation and he told her some things like the rustling in the bushes that she heard when she approached a UFO that

40:46 Nobody else knew that unless they were there. So, that was just amazing. Josie's a very credible individual but it does point out the fact that this UFO cabal has group of people that are tracking witnesses and I think the reason they're doing that number one is because witnesses are sometimes visited multiple times by UFOs And of course they want to keep track of that, but they also want to keep track of whether or not these witnesses are talking and what they're saying to the public. Because obviously the cabal their main purpose is to maintain this secret." It just seems so odd after 31 years three decades of watching someone I wonder what prompted this person to actually make face-to-face contact with her?

41:42 Hard to say except possibly trying to frighten her. This happened after she and I had made contact, and again i'm pretty certain that i'm being monitored you know my emails my telephone conversations are being monitored because i've been a public witness for like i said 20 years so they would have known We know the NSA is monitoring our email, so they would have known that I made contact with this other witness Josie

42:19 Yeah, man. It's a fascinating story the book is chock-full of really cool information I really like the section you have on the various types of evidence we have One story you talk about that some footage of a UFO acceleration was caught on film and analyzed by this Dr Bruce McAbee and in his professional opinion he assesses the speed as over 500 G Well, not speed. The acceleration that these E-T pilots would have to

42:57 endure 500 G turns, things like that. So how does that happen? I mean how... You know this stuff is just so amazing it's hard to wrap your head around it but this cabal is accumulating this information they probably have secrets as to how the propulsion systems work uh...the kind of energy they're using and how they apply their energy and a myriad about other things That is very valuable information and information that could be used as, let's say negotiating chips with other countries through the network of international network of this cabal. And also could be financially valuable if this information is converted into some technology that's used by industry so

43:52 I think that's the main reason these secrets are being kept right now is simply greed and power. I don't think it's a question of whether or not the public could accept this reality because most of the polls show that at least 50% of the population believe that yes, these UFOs are real and we're being visited Yeah, a lot of people seem to think that it has to do also with free energy or the type of technology they use. That if you were to unlock that for the masses we wouldn't be able to be charged by GE every week! Right and oil companies would have problems too so yeah...

44:38 It's very complex. The UFO phenomenon is complex, but the way it's being controlled, the information that is being controlled and keeping away from the public is complex also And in terms of disclosure in general, In 2013 we know we had the citizens hearing for disclosure that made a decent amount of waves. It got a little bit of publicity but do you know any plans for a follow-up event or advancing that thread at all in the next couple years? Well yes I've heard that Stephen Bassett who organized this citizens hearing in 2013 has now as of last week

45:21 sent copies of a video which has some of the stories. I haven't seen this video, but it has some of the testimony that was given in Washington in 2013 and this video was sent to each of the sitting congressmen and women in the House and Senate And I think he's going to try to follow up make phone calls and see if we can get some interest in talking to these people and possibly having an actual hearing. That would be the objective. Right, yeah that really is what needs to happen I just sometimes it can go either way you know on Monday i'll think we're making progress on disclosure and on Tuesday i'll be convinced that were never going to get there It goes back-and-forth man! I know how you feel...it's very frustrating

46:19 Well, Robert UFOs are always a great topic for my money. I've had a great time you don't get to talk to someone who's watched UFOs shut down missiles and have been in the room and also had a needle shoved into his groin on an alien craft every day and we just combined the two so thanks for being the highlight of my week would you like to tell the people where they can get your book and keep up on ya little bit before we call it in? Oh sure Greg uh... They could go on Amazon dot com I've got two books for sale there. One is called Faded Giant, I wrote that in 2005 basically talks about my incident at Malmstrom and then the newest book is called Unidentified UFO Phenomenon and that covers the span of 20 years of my experience investigating this. Probably not going to be speaking too much in conventions, UFO conventions

47:14 I am going to speak in Brazil coming up later this month and then again in Germany in April of next year. That's about all I've got scheduled at this point. Wow, well that's fun getting all around the world! You bet. Awesome Robert, well thanks again it has been a real honor and pleasure enjoy the rest your day alright man? Thanks Greg, thanks alot. Alright take care Wow, well there we go people. An hour with Robert Solis, experiencer of the two greatest phenomenons associated with UFOs for my money and it's always nice to get a reminder that there are bigger things going on than The Sons of Anarchy finale and a sale on iPhones But how weird? You know what else can you say

47:59 We hear about these things fairly often if you're someone who pays attention, but I still learned a lot. Like I said to Robert, I had just assumed that these UFOs were shutting the power down but it's much more complex calculated move and to hear they target this specific piece called the logic coupler... well if your going to try and make a point to humans about how logical is to have stockpiles of nuclear weapons around only built to kill or destroy areas for decades Yeah, I think our logic coupler was out of whack way before these spaceships came. But out of the hundreds or thousands of components that make these facilities work there is a deep symbolism in targeting that. A big thanks again to Robert check out his book Unidentified if you want to dig deeper into the Solace saga it's interesting! And I love ufology...I just feel like there isn't a lot unexplored territory in this field There aren't many questions left for hosts like me to ask

48:54 We just don't know what we don't know. And maybe that's thanks to the successes of the international UFO cabal on secrecy, who knows? Thanks to all the amazing listeners who are propelling the higher side chests at the top of conspiracy charts which admittedly aren't very big charts it's kind of like finding out you're one of the world's tallest midgets but I am thrilled nevertheless. If you appreciate the extra unscheduled hour of conspiratainment, hopefully you can take a minute to do the review thing on iTunes or show this family-friendly episode to people that hold dearest? I'm gonna get outa here but enjoy the holidays! We have another show coming up soon and then we'll throw one more out there before the end of this glorious year of the horse

49:33 And on that show we'll do another money bomb where one of the listeners can get a couple hundred bucks out of my donations and that will be great. We've given out over five grand since this started so that is pretty awesome! But let's switch gears just a little bit. I'm going to be ending this episode with a great song from Twenty One Pilots that is very appropriate for some obvious and not so obvious reasons, and i'm gonna be getting a little negative but with ultimately a positive purpose Now as you're taking the personal inventory You should be taking this time of year And always really thinking about how you've spent your time and resources How you've made the world better Not neutral! Not what you didn't do but what you did do What have you given of yourself?

50:15 How much of your time is wasted? How much are you complacent or even contributing to the pain and suffering caused by our greedy little machine. Are we happy, are you happy, are we making progress, are we doing enough? The large majority of people on earth who have known nothing but poverty under the thumb of our leadership would probably say no The families of those who have died by the quick trigger fingers of the unaccountable police would probably also say no. The victims of US drone strikes overseas who don't even have enough resources to eat let alone be a threat to anyone, would probably also be hoping that we do a little bit more too It's a freaking mess

50:53 And maybe I shouldn't be delivering this message through a whole desk full of equipment that's components were mined by slave labor and assembled by folks with mildly better conditions. Like, i'm some kind of moral authority? I'm not! But maybe we've fallen in line with leaders marching us to destruction built on the backs of the poor souls We'll never see and someday I hope will stop being okay with that Maybe we're all just waiting for a leader to articulate this ball of frustration in our collective guts in the right way so we can point to him and be like, yes that. That's how I feel! Let's get behind that guy And maybe that's what those UFOs are trying to do in their own abstract way, show us another possibility. And maybe when they're done with the missile silos and the nuclear bunkers they can start shutting down the slave labor facilities, drone launch controls, slave mining operations, banking system, wall street, all of gears and levers of the powerful puppet masters cannibalizing control grid...and say come on people follow us instead! Maybe that is there intention? But we don't follow them or we don't know how

51:54 And maybe instead of watching and waiting for someone to take that first step, we should just take it ourselves. But if you have the time as this episode is coming to a close reflect on that for a few minutes As I did when i picked this song sitting here in a dark smoky room trying to channel the ultimate good out of my iTunes playlist You might feel what I feel...and its probably not unlike a foot long needle to the groin. And I guess as long as your part of the western world Happy Holidays! There's miles of land in front of us And we're dying with every step we take We're dying with every breath we make And I'll follow him, but strangers back is all i see He's only a few feet in front of me and I look left and right sometimes But I'll follow

52:53 No one looks up anymore Cause you might get a raindrop in your eye And heaven forbid they see you cry As we fall In about this time of every year The line will go to the ocean pier and walk right off into the sea Then we fall asleep as we need the end of land

54:14 And our ocean graves are just beyond the sand I ask myself the question why? I see a spaceship in the scare of voice Inside my me, me instead The wages of war are inside my head with my counter and the emotionless marchers will chant this line's the only

55:43 When I start on the sound, my eyes are focused on the end of land. But again the voice inside mine says, Fuck me instead. Fuck me instead.

56:59 Take me up, seal the door I don't wanna march here anymore. I realize that this line is dead So we'll follow you instead So then you put me back in my place so i might start another day and once again it'l be In a march to the sea you