Rick Osmon | Hollow/Growing Earth & Secrets of Ancient America

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00:43 Alright Hireside Chatters, if knowledge is power hopefully we're all leveling up today because we've seen the nefarious powers that be alter both science and history to fit the narrative and paradigm they have carefully crafted brick by brick until truth has been thoroughly obscured. And today were going to tear down these walls in two areas of mystery I find most interesting And those areas are the idea of a hollow earth and pre-Columbian civilizations in North America, because today's guest Rick Osman is just the guy to do it. He studied both extensively and finds plenty of indications that the truth is way off from what the school books show Rick is the author of Graves of the Golden Bear, a regular columnist for Ancient American Magazine and a Holoworth enthusiast who's earned his Associates of Science in Laser and Electro-Optics Technology. He has worked for defense contractors as well as the U.S. military but in all those years he never stopped researching the strange and unusual alternative history archaeology cryptozoology and more it's not on a pleasure Rick my man welcome to The Higher Side

01:43 Thank you for having me, Greg. Yeah man this is exciting the hollow earth is one of my favorite theories but usually because of the idea of hidden landmasses or lost civilizations but your interpretation seems to be quite a bit weirder can you clarify the hollow earth model as you see it just to clear up any confusion with other paradigms we've looked into? Well, it has one similarity with several of the other theories because you can't say it's a hollow earth theory. There are many different versions of that but one thing that I find to be not just likely but almost imperative is that there is a void of some size or another at the center of the Earth The reason being because the gravitational field of the Earth at that point

02:33 is outward, not inward. We can go through the math if you wish... I would love to because i've heard you say that the hollow earth theory or this one isn't a belief it's a calculation and uh i guess how does the math support the idea of avoid inside the earth? Okay with the mass is what causes our what we call gravity that's our accepted physical theory that mass is the source of gravity, if you will. Gravity as we know it. But at the center of the Earth all the mass is away from the center not towards the center so at that point it should be zero or possibly even given gravitational wave theory It can vary above and below zero by some small amount

03:28 When I say below zero that means it is now a repulsive force ever so slight right on So and the conventional theory is that it is densest at the core. Am I right? Yes, that's a conventional academic scholarly approach To it because well nobody's been there to know for sure Mm-hmm but the math Says it should be very near or at zero Well, can you elaborate a bit more on where the math shows us that? Because I think mathematical proof of avoid is a bit new to most of us. We're taught the Earth is densest in the center that gravity is focused around that central point and the core where it is the densest How do we know what isn't how do we know what is well That's true And at the other end of that stick how do we know it is because The mass of the earth is they set amount mmm kind of

04:27 even though it increases a little bit all the time, and it is on the outside of the center. The exact center of the Earth would be a sum of gravity of zero now you get away from that center some distance and You will find that there is now gravitational pull towards the outside of the earth towards this surface But I'm talking minute distances here, not atomic distances but actually very small. Even molecular distances might be right up to a few miles perhaps. We don't know what the materials are in that region of the Earth. We don't know what the materials are at say half the radius of the Earth because we've never mined it and we've never drilled that far. We speculate

05:23 as science says. But they're speculating, based on some facts certainly some data all of it theoretical incidentally because there's no way to get there according to science right So, when we look at experiments that have been done what insight can we get? Because you've said that 14 kilometers was the deepest hole ever bored. You know officially of course but those results didn't really match the mainstream theory. What kind of insights did we get from that particular experiment or others like it? The Kola Borehole is I believe what you're referring to and it was done by the Russians back in early-mid 70's

06:06 And yes, it went 14 kilometers. Fourteen thousand meters about nine and a half miles and it encountered temperatures pressures and materials well outside of what was expected. In fact that shut down the goal of going to 20 kilometers because the material was way too hard way too dense, way too hot and it was boiling gaseous nitrogen out of a hole where there shouldn't be any gaseous nitrogen. So everything went wrong with that experiment as far as confirming the speculation that we call theory because all theory is speculation and yet they didn't change the science they just said we don't know what to think

07:00 And we still believe it's this way instead of what the experiment showed us. Yeah, it's funny how they do that! It is funny how they do that but the most important thing about whole scenario in my opinion, there are actually two of them... But the density of material was closer to surface than they expected and temperature was closer to surface then they expected and thirdly gas hydrogen gas What could form hydrogen gas 10 miles down? Mm-hmm. Shouldn't that you know, that lightest element we have have already migrated out of the earth and not be in the rock right right But this leads me to another Speculative that I did not invent or anything credit goes to two people actually dr. Max Lowe from Australia New Zealand and Neil Adams

07:59 comic book artist from New York who made an animation showing a growing earth. And according to the way both those guys get down to it, 75-100 million years ago our oceans were tiny but the land masses were the same size then that they are now. They arrived at this, Maxwell arrived at it by looking at the borehole data from ocean bottom basalt and different materials that have been brought up, and they gauge the age of these materials. Well according to this there is no subduction just that the ocean basins are growing and the radius of the earth is increasing in 75-100 million years it has nearly doubled in diameter.

08:54 Yeah, you sent me that video and I watched the time lapse of how the earth has grown from his perspective. And it is fascinating the way the land masses fit together and everything but this maybe gets into how it connects to the hollow earth because in the paradigm that I've heard you talk about instead of there being landmasses like a Gartha inside that Nazis escaped too there's something much weirder. a black white hole pair can you describe that for us? Sure. Probably most your listeners are aware of what is believed about black holes, that anything that falls into this high gravity field including light can never escape matter light energy whatever enters the black hole's gravitational well will never be seen again except that

09:52 Einstein Rosen bridge and every other thing that led up to the whole black hole thing as an astronomical body requires, that Einstein Rosen bridge to have a white hole at the other end. So energy comes...energy and matter can be emitted from a white hole but nothing can enter it is the exact antipathy of a black hole But it doesn't necessarily mean that it's, you know as big enough to swallow a galaxy or even a planet. It could be just making a few pairs of matter-antimatter but because of the way the Einstein-Rosen bridge works time is weird and antimatter will travel back in time through the black hole because its anti-matter

10:41 That's another speculation. But the reality is we know that Einstein's E equals mc squared theory says that energy is an equivalent to the mass times the speed of light squared Well, you can turn that around and solve it for the mass or the speed of light if you know the energy So when an energy pair erupts from a white hole or in some cases within a collider, you have matter-antimatter pair that form. Sometimes they come back together and annihilate. In fact almost all the time they come back together and annihilate each other creating a burst of energy. Sometimes though the antimatter will be drawn off here we're talking about collidor physics And the matter... The newly formed matter

11:47 is free in our world. And it's still pretty energetic because it's still moving really fast, but it is new matter so if the earth and any other rocky body or any other body with a gravitational field experiences the same thing then new matter is being put there It's not actually being created as much as its being sucked into somewhere else sent through I don't know what you want to call it an Einstein-Rosen bridge subspace anything you want to call and it finds its way to each and every one of those gravitational bodies in minute amounts. But over 75 or 100 million years, apparently it's enough to double the diameter of the Earth but only at that center zero point of that gravitational field."

12:42 Wow, man. I mean this is quite different than anything I've heard described before. I don't even know if i've heard anyone talk about the idea of a white hole before but... ...I guess when we're talking about the growing earth theory it can't grow without more matter creation of some type and this is essentially what's doing that right? It's kind of like a matter factory and its having a net positive out of this exchange which is creating more matter which is causing the Earth to grow That's my theory. Yes, hmm and the math I mean you can yes you can manipulate math to simulate or even Intimate a lot of things that may or may not be true which you know cosmologists do every day And and this one works

13:34 you know, yes there will be arguments against it if I ever actually publish it. But it works so to say that there is a void at the center of the earth? Yes! I'm saying yes there is a void. I don't know how big it is. It might be the size of a grapefruit or it might be the size of a beach ball or it might be 300 miles across or 3 000 miles across although I doubt that one. I think it's actually quite small As far as anybody being able to live there, not any life that we know because it's extremely energetic atmosphere or environment. More energetic than if it were that molten core incidentally

14:16 Right and that is interesting because there are some people kind of on the weirder end of the hollow earth spectrum You know The new age II kind of stuff that I don't really get into but they talk about it as more of a realm of an energetic realm And uh, that's odd But from this perspective It seems to jive with if there ever was any type of life or anything There would have to be something more energetic than you know traditional flesh-and-blood life Yeah, and it would not be oxygen- and carbon based because it would be carbon dioxide instantly with the addition of that much energy. So I mentioned liking the thought of inner earth land masses and that whole model And it's a little simpler to understand why the gatekeepers would want to hide that from us But why cover this paradigm up? What are the implications of this model that they wouldn't want us to know about Well, that's a great question

15:13 First of all, let's look at who keeps the gate or who we suspect keeps the gates. Politicians in the employ of corporations and whatnot. Elites. Elites who have invested heavily in petroleum hydroelectric solar you know they've invested literally hundreds of trillions of dollars over the last fifteen years into alternative energy but they kept pumping more and more petroleum all the time. And they're making money off each and every one of them, but if this is galactic level energies

15:56 and we can capture it, and somehow control it which is actually dangerous all by itself. Then they're out of business! That's true So anytime you talk about gravitational energies not just academia but everybody shuts down You know its considered the weak force in physics And yet its pervasive throughout the entire universe Now, another bit of info from your presentation that you sent me that kind of supports this is you say that the Earth continuously produces and emits roughly 4 terawatts more thermal energy than it receives from the Sun. Can you put that in layman's terms for us? Why is that important what does that indicate? Well let's start with the explanation that the scientists will give you well that is left over heat from friction when the earth formed four billion years ago

16:56 emitting 4 terawatts still. That part does not add up to me, right? To put it in layman's terms how much energy that is today it is roughly equivalent to one third of the amount of electricity used on the surface of the earth by mankind all the time so Yeah, that would put a few of them out of business. That's true. So when you've talked about this in the past, you kind of alluded to the fact that the planets in the solar system and maybe even the galaxy would be somehow connected through these black hole white hole pairs that are at the center of... Of course all of them would be the same I guess if planets form one way this would be how they form in this paradigm is there something connecting them in some way?

17:58 Yes, and it is an Einstein-Rosen bridge. A wormhole if you will but when we think of a wormhole in popular entertainment and even most scientists types think of the wormhole they think one end is black hole one end is white hole but my contention is that one end is the black hole at the center of the galaxy and it's connected to every other massive body in the galaxy, maybe some beyond. So yes there is one force in the entire galaxy that more or less governs the life and evolution of the galaxy. That's interesting! And I wonder what the implications of such a thing would be because it seems like you know... It's kind of hard for my simple stoner mind to comprehend what you could extrapolate from that but it seems pretty important

18:58 Well, I think it's important and it has many opportunities as well as many dangers because first of all we don't know how to deal with that. We can even get a good handle on what gravity is or how truly behaves, how it interacts with matter or light and we know that does or any other form of energy but if we ever figure that out then we may be able to tap in not only to the energy part of it but also to instantaneous aspect of it disappears here and it appears here many, many hundreds maybe thousands of light years away. Maybe millions of light years away instantly. Yeah well you know I've talked to plenty of researchers who have

19:51 alluded that they think UFOs come from inside the earth. Now we're not talking about civilizations inside, but is it possible that these things could be used for travel amongst the planets? It seems like they could. Well I can't rule it out but I also can't show you technology that would help you achieve that The engineering aspects of it are, again we don't even know what gravity is to be honest. And the recent NASA-EU gravity wave experiments do not impress me because they're using light to measure gravity. What are your thoughts on the electric universe paradigm that gravity is actually a byproduct of some kind of electrical force?

20:38 It has some merits. I'm not completely sold yet, but it does have some merits particularly when you couple it to the other phenomena that they cite, auroras and whatnot because there's certainly an electrical aspect of that now whether the electrical aspect is a side effect or vice versa its too soon for me to tell Yeah, I find that fascinating. There's also a lot of older scientists who used to talk about the ether—the idea that space isn't just an empty void but it is an actual fabric that is a conductor of certain electrical waves just like the ocean houses water waves and space would house some type

21:21 electrical waves that are also somewhat invisible and hard to pin down but that would be the medium of creation for all this kind of stuff. And it gets into old legends of alchemy and that kinda thing I think thats interesting do you find there to be any merit in the idea of an ether or something other than a void? Sure we hear about Albert Einstein's theory relativity but we almost never hear about Lawrence's Lorentzian Relativity. And Lawrence built his theory around an ether, however you want to pronounce it. And either one of them works the same when you do the math on our GPS satellites because they're programmed in for a time relativity difference of their travel around the Earth to the Earth and it works in either system

22:17 But if you go a little further than that, higher speeds if you will. More closely approaching the speed of light then Lawrence's theory is a better predictor. There was a guy by the name Tom Van Flandern he was an astronomer at the Naval Observatory in Washington DC for a career length and he took that particular question to task quite effectively And no one ever gave a good argument of why he was wrong. I think you can still find it online, i'm not certain, metaphysics dot org and uh he had some other interesting theories or hypotheses that fold into the whole new matter hollow earth

23:12 gravity well thing, including one that he called the exploding planets hypothesis. That there was once a planet beyond Mars but this side of Jupiter and that Mars was one of its satellites that this giant planet not as giant as Jupiter but giant compared to Mars and Earth exploded. And that's why one side of Mars and one side of the moon is peppered with impacts and the other side is not. In fact, one of the impacts on Mars nearly went completely through the planet. Wow man! That is interesting I wanted to kind of talk about the history of hollow earth theory and scientists who have come to the conclusion that there might be some type a void in the slides from your presentation you talk about a guy named Edmund Halley who put forth his hollow earth paradigm in 1692 can tell us about his model at all? Sure

24:11 His model had seven concentric spheres, and they revolved at slightly different speeds. And he thought that it was possible for cultures and civilizations to exist in there and still have light and heat food all the things a civilization would need. He arrived at his theory, his model by conducting a magnetic study, a compass study if you will of the North Atlantic Ocean up into Southern Arctic Ocean all the way around Greenland. And he found that it changed wherever you went that the magnetic pole did not matchup with the axis pole, the geographic pole

25:05 and went home, and while he wasn't distracted funding a guy by the name of Isaac Newton on his theories. He came up with his hollow earth or uh...he didn't really call it a hollow earth model. He called it a model of the Earth. Yeah that's an interesting paradigm for sure! And he's also the guy who predicted that this one comet would come back every 76 years and is still named Halley's Comet Ah, very cool. So you then say that he was the last serious scientist to attempt to describe the hollow earth until Leonard Euler who was an 18th century mathematician How did his model differ? Well his model may not even have been serious at least but it showed a hollow shaft

26:04 going all the way through the earth at the poles. A void of some size, hard to tell from his drawing within there at the center point and he based his on mostly gravitational studies although they weren't as precise back then by any stretch of the imagination but spring balances are actually better than anything else So he had access to some pretty good spring balances, but they're nothing like the tools that we use today. His model or his drawing I should say is cited quite often in a lot of the Holowork lore and he did mention at least once in narratives that he thought there should be avoid but he never said how big

27:05 Kind of in line with me on that part of it. I don't know but there should be a void. I don't know how big hmm, so it seems pretty clear that scientists and mathematicians who Are a lot smarter than I am have come to this conclusion by looking at gravity by looking at the math It seems to be for open-minded thinkers A reasonable conclusion that people have come too independently over time quite often Well, fairly often. So far we've only talked about three people including me but you also have all this popular literature Jules Verne the Pellucidora series even up to one of the sci-fi series had a hollow earth component and some really good graphics to portray it I might add but as far as serious scientific inquiry

28:02 How is the last one I think you have a lot of people who have speculated in between me and them. Wow, I don't know where to start but someone had founded complete religions around john clive sims would be one of those Anyway, yeah So where they get their information? I don't know. Maybe they're just channeling maybe they're just making it up maybe Maybe they have a divine connection that I do not and probably never will understand but a lot of people

28:41 Now and in the past have believed in a hollow earth theory of one form or another going all the way back to our oldest known written record. Epic of gilgamesh because he said his best friend nk into, do you under world to talk to your mother is well she was immortal when he wanted apartment but what's winning couldn't come back kinda like black hole Yeah, kind of like a black hole. So 5,000 years ago A king was talking about going into the underworld that doesn't necessarily mean going all the way to the center of the earth But that brings us into the other realm of not only possibility but pretty heavy belief That there is an entire world within our world and

29:36 Not necessarily at the center, but subterranean realm of some kind. It's been written in a lot of popular stuff. Wow! Again Jules Verne, Pollucidor etc., but I don't find that one impossible I don't even find it entirely unlikely because i've been in a lot of caves that went very deep. Some of them are not tourist caves either You got a cave in New Mexico that they know has well over 350 miles of passages, geez Without a bit of sunlight And it's not carved by water in that case. It's carved by an acidic gas coming from inside the earth

30:23 Yeah, I mean. I love the idea of it. I like to entertain it But you know I've been in a couple of caves obviously far less than new but when you get in there It's like yeah There's a lot of space and here there might be miles of tube but unless there's some kind of food source light source some type Of real abundance maybe on the other side of these tunnels I find it hard to believe that there could be much down there concur. You also have tales of entering a cave and ending up in an artificial tunnel with everything from railroads to strange people, and I do not find it at all unlikely that the United States government or somebody has developed the technology to bore many very large tunnels. In fact we know they have it! In 1962 the United States Air Force

31:18 commissioned a tunnel digging machine that was atomically powered and nuclear reactor as its power source. I mean yeah, that's stuff is seriously fascinating are there any maybe you can tell us the story of subterranean worlds that you might put stock in? That you might think has some validity well that one is tough but The two that are always discussed first in a forum or whatever, are the Smoky God which was published in I believe it was 1894 about a man who as a 12 year old boy went with his father on a fishing trip from Norway ended up getting sucked into the hole at the top of the world traversed the entire length of the inside by boat incidentally to

32:14 Antarctica. His father died during the voyage and he was rescued in 1829, 1830 I guess it was. And it had a lot of interesting aspects that make sense but not even Antarctica was known much at that point. Coastline about it right? And not even all the coastline had been mapped by then. The other one is Edidorpha, which is Aphrodite spelled backwards incidentally and it was a first person narrative of someone who called himself I Am The Man and he was taken forcibly into a cave the description of which matches very closely with Mammoth Cave in Kentucky and taken through unmarked secret passages

33:15 down to the very center of the Earth, including extremely near-zero gravitational at a certain radius of the Earth. Not at its center and come to find out yeah that inside of the earth should have its own little Lagrange points of near zero gravity just one actually between the center and surface but it's rather intriguing that someone had figured that out you know 125 years ago Absolutely, and that second one you just mentioned I'm not familiar with but the the smoky God Olaf Janssen story. I read that and I really wanted to believe an obviously they wrote In different language they wrote kind of more flowery more poetic in that time But it read to me like literature rather than a real diary which was unfortunate yeah, but

34:14 There are some other ones that I think are interesting. I've heard you talk about the subterranean world of the Makussis? Yes Can you describe that for us sure then a makaxi makushi depending on what your native language is they live in an area that kind of borders between Ecuador and Brazil when they have a tribal memory bring gatekeepers to an opening that led to the center of your they would go past that point and describe it perfectly these are people who never up until twenty years ago maybe thirty years ago never had a school, never had reading and writing arithmetic but they talk about how they would provision themselves getting ready for trip into the earth.

35:12 And when they got to the center, they would be reprovisioned for their exit. But it was the journey that was interesting because they would climb down like a ladder through this vertical tunnel and the further they went to a certain point, the lighter they became less gravitational pull on them on this ladder And then they would turn around and start climbing down head first because the gravity was in the other direction. And it took about two-and-a-half weeks to do this climb each way. Wow! So, they had this... I should tell you how this ended by the way. Sure In 1912 or 13 somehow someone talked them into showing them the entrance and the inner earth people

36:14 broke communications with Makoopsi. That's their tale, but that tale goes back to at least the late Conquistador age so 1630-40 Man that's fascinating! That...that's the kind of story That I love to hear especially if it can be somewhat corroborated with the math or the science Yeah, I have to have to give kudos to a guy by name of Dean. Dean Dominic DeLucia! Yes, thank you Yeah he's one of my favorite previous guests on this topic yeah he's the one who translated the Makuxi tale into English so that I could read it because my Spanish Portuguese is nearly non-existent but not only is he very much into the Holoworth lore his professional level translator for all three those languages

37:09 Yeah, we are lucky to have them or these stories would be lost to the English speakers in a lot of cases. Yes So that story is so fascinating Is that an outlier? Are there any other corroborating stories that you know of that also speak of actual relationships with the inner earth beings to some degree? Well, many of the Native American North American tribes have their origin stories that somehow incorporate in particular the Hopi, the Mandan. Some of the Shoshone talked about they came from inside the earth and they have particularly some of them entertaining and picturesque descriptions of how this happened

37:55 With the Hopi they had the ant men helping them to get to the surface and survive on the surface not just get here with the mandan, they had lived inside the earth for time eternal and a Grapevine sent a root down into a tunnel and someone climbed up it and dug around that route till he got out hmm climbed up that route Until one particularly fortunate woman decided to climb up there and she broke off the route and no one else could come out Wow, so Yeah, it's colorful descriptive fun But the basic premise is these tribes believe that they came from inside the earth maybe they were survivors of some catastrophe or something who knows

38:52 I mean, you have this guy by the name of Michio Kaku. You know him? Yeah, yeah. String theory. Mm-hmm. Probably one of the most respected cosmologists astrophysicists guys on planet. And here about four or five years ago he was appearing on, I believe it was that one actually on Fox News and he said at some point the human race is either going to have to figure out a way to get off this planet safely. Or get inside it because there's another ice age coming and we can't survive on the surface during an ice age so maybe he has got access to things but

39:33 That's a particularly poignant statement coming from a guy like him. from one of these inhospitable periods or eras would be going inside, especially if you don't have the technology to get off. So I like the idea that maybe there's huge disasters or inhospitable times on this surface people... Maybe people on the inside who know this is coming come up to the surface and say hey come on down we'll take care during this time period and then shoot them back up

40:14 you know, as time passes all they have is that legend and then that connection the inside is severed and we forget it's even there. Yes! We also probably forget a lot of other connections because its been 8000-9000 years since the last cold snap its been 13000 or so since the last true ice age but either one of them was enough to interrupt any civilization that existed on the surface And we do that repeatedly. I should say the Earth does that repeatedly, the solar system does it repeatedly and I'd say that this whole global climate change warming thing Yeah, we might be doing some stupid things but we're not in control of the climate. No no, I'm with you on that

41:04 So another slide in your presentation that I liked was you say that the hole at the North Pole is 1100 by 2300 miles. Where do those numbers come from? And can you tell us anything else about its potential location? Yes, it is in the Arctic. The Arctic Ocean is actually divided into two major basins with a line of mid-ocean ridge if you will kind within it stretching basically from about Franz Josef Island over to Kamchatka. And the western side of that has a deeper basin, the western side of that is the dimensions you said. It's huge! It's an ocean but at the bottom of that ocean I can't tell you the exact coordinates off top my head 80... 84 6 north i believe it isn't

42:03 4.26 West, sticks in my head for some reason there is a 13200 foot deeper basin within it this is extremely deep leading to that hole when the bottom of the ocean are riverbed at the bottom of the ocean so either there was no water in them one time and water flowed their and yet didn't make a huge lake like it should draining off of the continent into a basin. Or perhaps the colder fresh water melting off glaciers ran down through there and carved these underwater riverbeds, which is not impossible but yet

42:55 it still didn't form a huge lake basin, which it would because of the difference in salinity temperature and a whole bunch of other factors that would enter into freshwater versus saltwater at the bottom of an ocean. And that hole that is at the bottom of that basin at 13200 feet is not plumbed well nobody knows just exactly how deep it is they've only measured it to 13002 That's really odd, man. I've always kind of had a hard time rationalizing how the hole in a Hollow Earth paradigm could be in water but I guess if we're talking about the gravitational switch and this basin is so so so deep could it be deep enough to be past that gravity point where water is actually coming up rather than sinking down? Well put it this way... If I ever write a Hollow Earth novel yes

43:58 Love it Yeah, it because if it reached to Actually you could probably do some rough calculations figure out what that water column would have to be the B in Stability or what would cause it to become unstable for that matter which is another part of that novel probably But yeah The water column we can get a rough idea of its diameter and And then we can make educated guesses at its length. It's a column of water, it's just cylinder I don't know how deep that hole really is nobody really does We only know that is deeper than the ocean bottom at what two and two and a quarter miles Hmm. It's like almost like an inner earth fountain of water shooting out weird man so

44:51 Having worked in the military, I gotta ask because a lot of what's interesting about the Hollow Earth is these possible holes at the poles and polar regions in general. Having nations signed on to bar unsanctioned exploration there only fuels that kind of speculation but clearly the military has a presence in both regions they have to know something right? Did this ever come up in your time working with them Now, the only thing that actually came up pertinent to this whole question while I was working for the Navy was I got the opportunity to meet one of the junior officers who was aboard the USS Polaris when it surfaced through the ice at the North Pole. And verified to my satisfaction that he was sincere when he said yes we did the shots, we were at 90 north which became

45:45 title of a popular book about the voyage, Ninety North. And unfortunately I'm old enough to remember the event being in the news. Of course I am also older than space travel by that time but the Polaris was in a lot of the popular literature at the time it was thought to be purpose built to travel under the ice and surface there so that it could launch missiles at Russia or Soviet Union It didn't have any missiles per se. It had torpedoes, it was an attack sub, not a boomer. So yes it was made so that it could go through the ice because that was a great way to resupply a submarine after months underwater

46:38 I playing can land on the ice they could literally offload supplies right into the submarine. And then it would go back underwater and run another three months because it's a nuclear powered submarine and all we really needed was food, fresh water more fresh water than they could make on the submarine you know, letters from home maybe. Yeah interesting did he describe I mean obviously he's inside a submarine but did he describe anything that we would consider odd about the polar region? A little odd... He said they had trouble with their compasses which does not surprise me because interesting may be coincidence maybe whatever but it was real heavy Aurora Borealis when they were there

47:32 It didn't show up much in the daytime, but the magnetic fields were still there. And of course they were doing it in daytime because they had to do a sunshine with at that point time a real sextant. They didn't have GPS or any of that crap and there was no Loran at the North Pole so they were using archaic not really archaic but old antique certainly instrumentation types They could not go to 13,000 feet deep with that submarine. Too much pressure? Way too much pressure! In fact most of the bathyspheres that exist on this planet cannot go to that.

48:16 So do you put any stock in some of those early explorer reports of the North Polar region where people say, oh we ran into warm water or warm air. We saw birds migrating north and there seems to be green land up there? I think some people said that about the South Pole too but i think i hear it way more from those early North Pole explorers but Do you put any stock that they're in the idea that there could be some warmer tropical place out there Because of the interaction between saltwater, saline and freshwater you can get a honest to God friction between those two types of water rubbing together. They don't mix as readily as most people would think. Tropical? Not so much! Could you find palm fronds floating there? Certainly! The Gulf Stream goes from our gulf coast to basically South Arctic Ocean

49:13 So, yeah I can understand maybe finding palm fronds. Probably even some types of fauna that you wouldn't expect to find in the Arctic but the most interesting arctic exploration to me was Abenson's on the Fram he designed and built this ship to go park in the ice at a certain place that he calculated and let it drift across the North Pole and did that. And it took three and a half years to complete that voyage, and there... That ship pretty much all of the specimens they collected with the leftover supplies mostly medical are all on display at the Fram Museum in Oslo Norway Wow These guys were cold for three years No I don't mean cold they were cold They were not just sub freezing cold

50:17 And of course they couldn't acquire any more fuel in the Arctic to run a stove or anything else. Man, I couldn't do it! You know, of course no Hollow Earth conversation is complete without a mention of Admiral Byrd and I'd be happy to leave him out but you actually seem to have a different take. And uh...you might have the opinion that at least one of his trips was funded by the Rockefellers this is something Dennis Crenshaw mentioned me on the phone but Is that your contention also? Yes! I think and Dennis did all that research

50:54 I agree with all of his conclusions that the 1936-37 expedition was funded by the Rockefellers and all of the logs, all of the records everything went to the Rockefeller's not to the US Navy because a navy didn't have stake in that expedition. The 1947 expedition was different. The Navy and the Marine Corps, of course, participated in that one. So they had a stake. Nobody really knows what happened there because we have a little bit of narrative about something that lasted half as long as it was supposed to but the 1930s expedition built specialized equipment including a giant truck that would carry an airplane

51:53 And people could live in it for months at a time and it would traverse, in theory all the snow and ice in Antarctica. It was written up in popular mechanics and popular science or films you know newsreels and whatnot. During that time during that expedition Byrd established a secret society amongst the upper ranks of the people who were on that expedition Dennis found that interesting. By the way, Admiral Bird only served one year in the Navy and reached a rank of rear admiral. Yeah this is an uncle or maybe great-uncle to late Senator Robert Bird. The Bird family of Virginia has been in Virginia since well there's been a Virginia

52:56 So I guess, does this Rockefeller involvement and some of these bloodline connections affect his credibility in your opinion? No. Actually he was a very learned man. He was groomed to do that from an early age but he also threw enough resources that were not necessarily government supplied resources At this exploration not just this one but both polar expert explorations that is pretty clear to me that he was on that tack and he was appointed to make these discoveries if there were any.

53:42 Not for the benefit of mankind right right for a cabal of elites that have funded the project. Yes Interesting, so God I would love to get my hands on you know The real data from that because it seems to be another case where the elite have put their money and attention And energy into something that they would uh You know poo-poo on the surface tell us there's nothing to it but yet they've put money and resources into it and probably learned something in that area and they're just going to keep it close to the chest for as long as they can. Well, you also have considered there was a concurrent effort by Nazi Germany to do basically a land claim in Antarctica, New Schwabenland and they flew over with bombers and dropped flags with a marker plate with individual number on each plate

54:39 Flag including swastika and they they covered I forget what it was four hundred ninety thousand square miles or something damn and Strangely even more strange when you get into international law politics maritime law The claim is still valid, even though the government has changed That's interesting. Another thing on the subject of land claims is I pulled an article off of the Hollow Earth Insider website that talks about Russia making a subtle play for control of the Arctic in more recent times, how might that play into things in this potentially hollow earth paradigm? Are they maybe trying to either get just the information or potentially harness the energy that they think might be inside?

55:30 Well, it's not just that energy. They've also discovered still frozen methane fields left over from the previous ice age so they're hedging their bets I believe whether they have quote-unquote inside information? I don't know they certainly have a history of exploring and exploiting the esoteric knowledge Well, then so do we. Men who stare at goats as an example. Absolutely! But with the methane field it's a very ready source of energy that actually it's better to burn it than to let it escape into the atmosphere and if there is this other gravitational energy and that's the place to get ahold of it then they're going to be well set but basically what they're doing is re-establishing

56:27 revitalizing and refurbishing and resupplying a whole bunch of World War II era bases that they had going to prevent a Nazi invasion of Siberia in northern Russia. So I can't blame them either way. Yeah, man the esoteric subtext of government or elite actions is a real interesting angle to me but that was definitely big with Nazis in their whole exploration of everything from Tibet to the South Pole Yes, well and the North Pole. They did their own expeditions to the North Pole and to the lands around the Arctic Ocean and a few lands within the Arctic Ocean because once they walked into Norway because they didn't really have to conquer it, they were invited in by a trader then Svarbald or what we would call Spitsbergen in those days, a set of islands at 700 miles north of Norway

57:30 They took possession of it with a squad and they were trying to mine coal and look for other minerals to make them available for their war effort. It wasn't paying proposition for them but they had history of exploring the Arctic at that time, that was actually during the war Interesting man, so this has been pretty amazing man really blew my simple stoner mind and I know we left a lot of stuff on the table But hopefully we can do it again sometime. Yep You definitely know your stuff Would you like to remind people about? Your book and anywhere else they can follow up on you And what you got going on before we really call it in sure The book is the graves of the golden bear ancient fortresses and monuments of the Ohio Valley It is available on Amazon

58:20 Kindle and print it's available at books a million by order. It's on Barnes & Noble And their whatever their electronic version is It's also available from ancient American magazine and from the publisher grave distractions publications great distractions calm Mm-hmm, and I'm writing for ancient American about every issue working on number 12 in a series right now do with the end of this month and In the middle of August, 10th 11th 12th I think the dates are. I'll be at Nauvoo Illinois at a conference presenting this whole line-of-sight communications thing and you can look at ancientamerican.com and find the dates and tickets and whatnot

59:13 Well, that's pretty much it. Very cool! I'm actually going back to St Louis for a wedding in August so i'm looking for stuff to do to kill the week while my girlfriend goes off on some bachelorette party thing and the Lake of the Ozarks well I think its about an hour-and-a-half drive up to Malibu I think Right on...I might make it It's rare stuff. So, awesome Rick this has been a serious blast take care of yourself out there in the weird world alright? I will thank you for having me Greg! You got it Boom goes the dynamite people Rick Osman great guy excellent guest

59:50 This was a bit of a weird situation because it's very rare that an episode of THC is formatted where we talk about solely one thing in the first hour and then entirely different thing all together in the second. Usually, it doesn't work out quite so clear-cut as that but having that first hour on the Hollow Earth and subterranean worlds I really loved that Rick has definitely studied the source material and proposes This is an interesting theory of a growing earth with white hole, black hole pair in the middle. I thought he made a good case for that! I like thinking this node of energy could be used for travel and that this is how UFO's travel if I were going to think they were actually metal craft flying around space which I don't really but I like that idea of planets connected by these inner gateways and then they just fly up out at the ocean or pull through those polar openings and boom

1:00:44 They're here. Simple stoner thoughts, not really based on anything but you know I like the Hollow Earth it is one of my favorite ideas we've been hitting a lot lately in the second hour i'd sum it up largely under the umbrella of Lost Secrets Of Ancient America which really is Rick's bread and butter The coolest part to me being this advanced line-of-sight communications network across pre-Columbian America. That really did blow my mind! We also talk about Rick's thoughts on the Illinois Cave Mystery that Harry Hubbard talked about in his Plus Show, and I mentioned that i'm going back to my old St Louis stomping grounds for a couple of weeks here and i'm gonna try to get out there and see the Burroughs cave see this lost tomb of Alexander the Great

1:01:33 I talked to another guy about bringing out some ground penetrating radar to Cahokia Mounds on the DL. Get some readings and get the hell outta there, why not? We have to start pressing the issue in some of these cases! Art Bell, George Norrie you have been looking at this stuff for decades and never used your resources to actually uncover any of this stuff huh?! It's interesting. I barely have resources, but...I'm ready! I did set up a Hireside Chats Explorers group in the Plus Forums Someone with some guts and a YouTube channel can make himself real famous real fast Just saying if anyone hates their job enough buy one camera and one serious piece of equipment And take the risks that nobody is willing to take

1:02:23 Somebody listening is probably going to end up being that guy. It might as well be you Something else I'm planning to do on this drive home is stop by a few small-town museums and ask about giant bones Let's roll the dice, let's find out right? Whenever I meet people and they asked what I'd do And I say I host a conspiracy podcast The first question is almost always What is the craziest conspiracy that you think is real Which is kind of an impossible question and I always reply with something that answers the real thing they want to know which is if I'm too crazy to be around.

1:02:59 But if I was being honest, one of the most out there things that I've seen enough anecdotal evidence to put money on is that civilizations of giants were real and covered up by the Smithsonian. I know people talk about this fairly often but really adding it into your worldview is pretty radical. Imagine telling your coworkers you're pretty sure there were giants in the past probably red-headed cannibals that the Indians snuffed out You think they want to hear that? They just want to know if you like Suicide Squad, alright. You can't hit a person with something as heavy... ...as yeah I think there were real giants i'm pretty sure but I do and I am and that's really just the half of it but these are the kind of things we talked about in The Plus Show Rick is great really happy I found his work I'd love to have him back

1:03:48 I hope i'm going to be able to Be at his little conference there because that's another subject. I'm super interested in right now And I know we could fill another two hours really easily it's nuts I have a list 40 long that i'd like to get to, at least another 40 past guests That i'd love to have back on again Five shows a month that means if I just stuck to those 80 which never happens That's 16 months worth of shows That's more than a year. So people ask me if I have a shortage of guests? No, not really! Although when people ask that... When people ask if I'm having a hard time finding guests, I think that is a passive-aggressive way of saying, I haven't really liked your guest lately But I do have so many guests that I want to get to. I might start doing more shows per month just to keep up with the list but I doubt anyone wants to hear more from me then they already do right

1:04:44 There'd be more plus signups if that were true. But either way, thanks so much for listening I hope you're loving the ride and i'll see you soon with a show that gets deep into the heart of the question What can magic do for you? All right! I've done my part your moves Smithsonian secret keepers and inner earth energy deniers Your fucking move Well they tie that yellow ribbon round the oak tree They've worn out all the prayer in their hearts All along thought they were rooting for the home team

1:05:22 As they're sent to the game and torn apart We twist this tourniquet upon the pipeline That it carries all the pain in the world As we blindly clap and cheer from the sidelines It's clear, on a losing streak from the very start And that's where they found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand Now I'm down for the land of the free THC, The American Dream They took that faded ribbon off the oak tree They've worn out all hope in their arms

1:06:27 So long thought I was doing the right Now i'm lying in a pool of my blood And that's where they found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand From the land of the free Sing with me, and that's where they found me In the cemetery

1:07:06 A smoking gun in my hand Now I'm damned from the land of the free THC The American scream And that's where they found me In my cemetery