Pierre Sabak | Holographic Culture, Angelic Sailors, & The Divine Invasion

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00:55 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chat Another day another deep dive into this weird world from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and as much buzz as there is about the UFO mystery lately The reality is that some of our oldest written material from our deepest history talks about chariots of fire flying machines Messengers from another realm, and all the sorts of things people are patiently waiting to have confirmed by the Pentagon thousands of years later

01:48 But it seems that at every turn, some sort of academic royal or religious authority has been there to tell us that these stories and depictions are not what we think they are. And that's funny because so many positions of power have historically been framed as intermediaries between man and the heavens. Kings, pharaohs, popes... it's easy to forget that context but when you think about it can we really have it both ways? Maybe the people who occupy these seats of power throughout time quite literally are the agents of unseen forces ruling over humanity. Forces that realize the greatest power is to not be seen

02:25 And can we really expect royal families living lavish lifestyles of laziness and Prada-slippered popes to rat out their multi-dimensional bosses? Well, this is where my head's at after reading Holographic Culture the 500 plus page 8 years in the making masterwork of today's guest Pierre Sabac. He's a guy with a real knack for pattern recognition on top of being a bona fide expert on ancient symbolism and etymology His work introduces a new way to look at and understand the UFO mystery through a completely new field called Scaphology, which is the study of angelic ships within religion and mythology. In his latest book Pierre uncovers an infiltration of non-human and humanoid beings A concealed power structure which forms the basis of religious and philosophical traditions

03:13 He tells you where they come from, what they want and how these beings created humanity and control the culture through a parallel society and its grafted bloodline. But Pierre is no stranger to dense studies of deep material as he's produced a few other books in DVDs with titles like The Murder Of Reality, The Seven Degrees Of Symbolism And Artifact R, The Roswell Artifact We're definitely going hard and deep today so buckle up. The Angelian Etymology Decoder, Divine Invasion Detective and Scaphology Scholar Pierre Sabac welcome to the higher side Hi there it's great to be on your show outlast so thank you very much for inviting me Thanks for being here Yeah it's great to be on that was a fantastic introduction So thank you for really setting me up there That was a good introduction

04:01 Of course, man. It's all in a day's work and I'm in a really good mood today! I really enjoyed your book thanks for sending it out to me of course It was a colleague of yours John Peters who set this up for us And I'm very thankful that he did it's hard to really find the best entry point here But let me bring the audience up to speed with what John wrote to me He said Pierre's work shows that what we now call UFOs are real physical ships that can drop in and out of this frequency range. He shows that the occupants have overcome wave-particle duality, they can exist as waveform and are called high spirits or take a solid particle form and are called high creatures

04:42 They may appear to be magical, but it seems to all be done with advanced technology. Well I definitely came away feeling like you made a really excellent case for that and these beings would have been here since the beginning of the human story and still control the culture through the political and religious authorities that are the hybrids of the grafted bloodline is that right? Is that the thesis we're working from today?" Yes, there's lots of different elements which you've just spoken there and which we really need to unpack. Basically the book is called Holographic Culture and we're dealing here with a race of beings that have deconstructed the mechanics of waveform reality so this basically means that they exist both within the spiritual range This is why they're referred to as the Ruach Elohim, The High Spirits

05:32 This is another term for the Djinn, Djenn a serpent or worm. Now the worm or serpent is another word for the Seraphim which are these non-human angels but essentially they can dematerialize and then they can physically reappear within this reality therefore referred to in shall we say duplicitous language of paradoxical language So the Ruach Elohim, the high spirits can appear or materialize as the Elakha which is a high creature or living God. Again this is polymorphic language and really we're dealing with polymorphic symbolism and this is really important when we're looking at the Elohim which are the High Ones. The High Ones are these deities which originate from heaven so therefore when we're dealing with angels which is the scaphological tradition of study of angelic

06:20 boats or ships within the classical and religious tradition. We're really dealing with the angelic tradition, this is the classical tradition, class is a naval fleet This relates to that which is classified because this is a hidden tradition and this appertains to the naval tradition or the angelic tradition. So, for example when we look at polymorphic symbolism we can see that the etymology of malak an angel is a polymorphic word of malak which is a sailor so we're dealing here with angelic sailors and this is why in the biblical traditions for example Yahweh Sabaoth is described as the Lord of the Host now the words

06:59 Sabah which is an army where we get the word Sabah from, is related etymologically to savvy which is the military so Yahweh's sabbath is this military host but in particular Yahweh Sabaoth specifies a naval itinerant, a naval host. And so we see that there's a correspondence between Sabaoth which is Yahweh Sabaoth the Lord of the Hosts, Sabbah army, Sevet a crew of a vessel and Teva which is an ark. This is really important when we're describing the angels because the angels are seen to be crew members of naval vessels

07:36 and they're described as residing on these angelic vessels which are known as the Ophanim wheels. I want to really make a point also about the angels in terms of their demarcation within the occult tradition, because within the occult tradition you have two demarcations within the occult tradition so you have knowledge which is given to mankind from non-human angels they are known as the Seraphim and they're equated with the watcher so Sophefer Watcher is equated with Seraph a serpent, Sorepha which is fire. So the seraphim is another word for the djinn because the djinn are said to be born of fire, Djenn which is a serpent or worm and then we have the partition with the cherubim which are these human angels and they're typically represented in symbology with a sword so there's a word play between Cherub which is a humanoid angel and Cherev which is a sword therefore

08:31 The human angel is typically identified with the sword. Now, I just want to make a point that with the human and the non-human angels in the biblical and the apocrypha tradition they often appear together so they appear as this host and this host usually incorporates human and non-human angels which are the seraphim and the cherubim i refer to this dichotomy as the seraphim cherubim dialectic but i just want to draw attention to the fact that the cherubim, Cherub which is the singular for a humanoid angel is related to Cherub which is small landing vessel or boat and we see also with the seraphim that the Seraphim equated with Sapanasailor and Safina which is a ship. And so in both traditions both within the humanist tradition referring to the humanoid angels on the Seraphic tradition referring to the Seraphic host

09:27 We see that they're both identified with boats and ships. Therefore, as we said before Malak an angel is equated with Malak a sailor So that's kind of if you like in the short introduction into the Scaphological tradition I'll just let you interject there And then we can take it from there Well you're hitting all the high notes and in the book you say, you rely on polyglottal symbolism throughout the study which is defined as word plays that repeat through many different languages. You've given us some examples there and in the book you talk about This happening through Greek, Latin, Hebrew and even English. The words for angel ship sailor mariner ruler and king these are all very closely related an that's no accident we do have even the english term divine King Ship which right there it hits all three so this is a pretty common motif right? Yes this is correct actually drawing upon the idea of kingship

10:31 this is a codification that the king originates from heaven and this is why we refer to in English as highness. Highnesses are reference to the Elohim because the Elohim literally means the lofty ones or the high ones, and so the bloodline of the King is deemed to be angelic and therefore we see certainly within the Semitic languages this identification with malec an angel and melech a king again the terminology is closely related with Mekel which is a container which is a symbol of a vessel which is identified with the boat or ship. But also we're finding that these word plays are polyglottal, so for example in the Arabic, Sarif which is noble, which is equated to the Seraphic tradition and Safina which is about our ship

11:15 Again, within the Greek archon is a ruler and is related to olkas which is a ship or vessel. And again the wording archon is polymorphic because the word archon also means an angel so we're seeing that the angel is typified with its boat or it's vessel. Olkas which is a large carrier vessel Again, within the Persian there's this identification and again the bloodline of the king is typically correlated with the serpent which is the Seraphic tradition. And we see that typically a King is thought to be stitched or grafted blood line and so we see that there's this correspondence between Basilikos which is a serpent and Basileus which is a king

11:56 In the Persian, the wordplay would be maw which is a leader or ruler and mau which is a serpent. As we said before in the Arabic this would be sarif and seraph a serpent Or even within the Greek there's a word play between archon and drachon but remember that the word in archon which is this type of angel Is going back to the old Babylonian root akhan which is a seraph And ak which is to shine So these word plays are showing that the bloodline of the king is identified with this angelic lineage which is typified as the Angelic Sailor. And this is really the basis of Scaphology, it's a classical tradition classes to naval fleets and this naval tradition is classified through this compartmentalized tradition and so its this secret tradition

12:45 And again I just want to draw attention also to the bloodline of the prince as well because within the Old Semitic, Sar is a prince and is related to Sirah which is a boat. We see also within the Arabic as well Amir is a prince and is equated with Amara which is a fleet or host And so, these word plays are pretty consistent and found throughout many languages. And I refer to this type of symbolism as polyglottal symbolism. Literally it means many tongues So these word plays appear throughout many languages and they encode what i referred to as the artefact Now the artefact is this linguistic code which is found within numerous language

13:25 and is correlated with the existence of these angelic sailors which are cross-cultural and found throughout all languages, and found encoded within the symbology of all cultures. And so that's the basis of polyglottal symbolism but again when we're actually dealing with the Seraphic tradition which are the angelic hosts identified with these nonhuman angels Again within the ancient Semitic, the Erin which are the watchers or the shining ones again Urr which is a watcher or which is light. They were equated with the dragon so Dracane is to watch or to flash and they're synonymous with a deity So there is this if you like this correspondence between Drakon on Drakos and I

14:05 Theos god and Theros a watcher. Again, Theros the Watchers is closely concordant with Thurian which is a beast which he's used in the symbology to denote a dragon or a sentinel which is this type of watcher Now, the Seraphim, Serapha which is fire. The flaming ones they're equated with Syrah. Syrah is the shining one now. Syrah is the Arabic word for Sirius. What's very important about the shining one, Syrah which is Sirius Is that there are lots of different interesting word plays identified with this star system So for example in Arabic Sur is a mystery and again Syrah is the mysteries of Ra

14:46 but we see also that there's a correspondence with the Hebrew word. Now this is a special type of word play which I refer to as adiptic paranomasia, so this word play works in the Hebrew into the Arabic. So sirah which is the Arabic word for Sirius is a wordplay and the Hebrew word sira which is about and this is because these angels are equated with the flaming star Sirius and therefore we see that there's a correspondence between Sira which is about, Zar which is an angel. Now in the Aramaic the word zar is polymorphic it also means an angel, an alien a stranger or foreigner. And this is very interesting because therefore in the ancient Aramaic we see that the angels are synonymous not only with boats but they're also equated with aliens as well and therefore we're seeing that there is this crossover with the ufological tradition which I refer to my book Holographic Culture as a Scaphological Tradition now scaphology is really a deconstruction of these angelic boat ships our vessels the word scaff is

15:49 a type of small vessel, scapto which is to dig out. So this is a hollow type of vessel which are equated with the angelic host now the angelic hosts are also equated with the second creation which is the planting of life on the earth and so we see that there's if you like there's this relationship between Sera which is the Hebrew word for boat and Yetzira, which is creation equated with Yetzer Which is a creature. And this is where we get the correspondence in English between mooring a boat, which we would say to birth of boats. The idea of birth is equated with these angelic boats or vessels which in the esoteric tradition is correlated with the second creation and so there is if you like a distinction between the first creation which is that the creation of the universe or the formation of the universe and then the second creation which is that planting of the seed on the earth which are identified with these beings from Sirius and so

16:47 if you like, some of the correspondences found within polyglottal symbolism. I want to also just draw attention between some of the word plays as well between these beings from Sirius so for example Sirius is equated with a dog star another word for Sirius is the dog star in Arabic al-qa'ub which is the dog but we're seeing that there's a word play in English and again this is working on polyglottal symbolism In English, God is a reversal of dog and this is making reference to the Dog Star. And again the priest would wear a dog collar... Again the dog collar is equated with Sirius, this is the symbology but again we're finding the same wordplay within the Arabic as well so we have in Arabic Allah which is god and Awaa' which is to bark. Again we would say

17:39 in the Egyptian mistress, Ra is the sun god coming from the etymology ra to see and again is equated with er which is a watcher or shining one which are the Erin the watchers. And we see that Ra is a growling noise of the dog so we're seeing that Ra again is represented as this growling dog but again even within Latin and even within Japanese symbolism as well were finding the same type of word place so Lato is Apollo Now, typically Apollo is said to be the sun god but covertly he's the dog star and so lato is equated with latro which is to bark or snarl. And again this is equated with the occult tradition So Latins is to hide or conceal To hide or to conceal Again it's equated with a Latin language We're dealing here with duplicitous language That which is hidden or concealed

18:31 Essentially we're dealing with the occult. Ocular is an eye and Occult is to conceal or to hide, which is representational of the Djinn. Jannah is to hide or to conceal where we get the etymology of Djinn, Djenn a serpent or worm so this is the hidden tradition which is equated with a dragon Dracos which is an eye can be symbolized as the all-seeing eye Theosogod, Theros, Watcher or again when we're dealing with the Seraphim, SELFETH a watcher SERAPH a serpent. Now the Watchers and the serpents are one in the same they are equated with this same type of entity which are identified with Sirius the Watchers are the shining ones

19:10 So that's, in a nutshell, polyglottal symbolism. But you find polyglot symbolism within all languages so as I mentioned before within the Japanese the English wordplay God and Dog in Japanese would be found with Kami-God and Okami which is a wolf This is ostensibly referring to the Heaven's Dog, Tengu. Literally means heaven's dog. This is a reptilian type of deity which are venerated at Japanese shrines and again the Japanese they also worship these angelic vessels so in Japanese you have what is known as the Utsunofune which is a hollow ship or boat now within the Edo prints these hollow ships and boats which are equate with the Japanese deities and the planting of the Japanese people on mainland Japan

19:58 they're represented as flying saucers. So the Edo prince actually show these boats as circular round vessels Now what's interesting within Japanese symbolism is the wording is polymorphic and again this is useful in order to demonstrate a polymorphic symbolism which is a different type of symbol Polymorphic symbolism is where words have multiple meanings so for example we used the example earlier of malak an angel, Malak which is a sailor so the angel can be represented as an angelic sailor Now within Japanese, Utsunofune is a hollow boat or ship which are equated with these angelic vessels which are round or circular.

20:35 But the word is polymorphic, it also means a hollow tree. And so therefore within the Japanese temples the precincts of the temple... The parameters of the temple are always encased with these hollow trees and the hollow tree is used as a polymorphic symbol of these hollow ships or vessels and again this would actually denote that the temple is identified or correlated with these vessels So that's polymorphic symbolism and polyglottal symbolism. Polyglottal is where the word plays across cultural, and they transfer into multiple different languages. Polymorphic is where you have a singular word which has multiple meanings In the Islamic tradition, Wujual Quran is a polymorphic word This refers to polymorphic words which are found within the Quran

21:19 Wuju means the forgotten recitation. So, the forgotten recitation or the forgotten Quran is a polymorphic word and this again indicates that the Quranic documents are documents of initiation so again we're dealing here with highly elliptical languages, polymorphic language which is working on multiple levels. So yeah I'll ask you questions there Yes, wow. Well you certainly got the words down and you do have some great terms in the book like Angelion's and The Divine Invasion Terms that really do blend together the ancient accounts with the modern ones and cross the angel alien divide And to put a finer point on

22:04 In Schiophology, you write, So, you're saying the mystery schools and the secret societies probably even the Vatican libraries. This is the deep dark secret they protect help people understand that a bit more clearly if you could not so much in the wordplay But what are some convincing pieces of evidence we could tell them about to best make the case that these secrets? Societies know this stuff and that they hide these things

22:50 Okay, I mean that's a very deep subject in itself. But we'll have a go at trying to highlight some of the points. I think first of all when we're dealing with the mystery religions we're dealing here with religion and again going back into some other wordings religarious is more about or a vessel So the religious discourse is based upon this idea of a boat or a vessel which are equated with these angelic sailors malach an angel Malachi sailor And again this is why we refer to the idea of worship because we're venerating these angelic boats and these angelic vessels. But again that wordplay is polyglottal because the word play worship is found also within the Arabic, sabar is to praise or to glorify but it's equated in the Arabic with savowaf which is the angelic host so they're glorifying the angelic host which are equated with these ships boats our vessels

23:41 And again, even within the Greek mysteries as well you have Naos which is a temple sanctuary equated with Norse which is a boat. And this idea that the temple sanctuary is a boat and it's if you like transposing heaven upon the earth and this idea that the host is found within the church is also found within the nave of the church is equated with Navis which is a boat So this is actually encoded within our language. But the thing is, that the angelic sailor which is the emissary he's been redacted from the traditions and so therefore we're dealing here with this classified discourse This discourse which has been hidden from view And it is integral to understanding mythology because when you are dealing with a messenger It's implicit within the mythological tradition that your'e dealing with an angelic sailor

24:35 But if you're not conversant with the Scaphological tradition or the Classical tradition, and are not aware of the naval tradition then you're obviously not going to be aware of the idea that the messenger is equated with a sailor and is identified with a vessel. And again these vessels are represented in the Apocrypha and in the Biblical traditions variously as ships boats chariots seed baskets so yeah this is something which we really need to deconstruct And I would say that basically a lot of modern day mythology and again, a lot of the religious discourse in the deconstruction of the religious discourse is missing this integral components. This part which is missing and so we have a conceptual

25:20 it's almost like a black hole within academia, a conceptual black hole. And this really needs to be fully understood and fully deconstructed so that we can begin to reassemble some of the ancient myths and mythologies and again begin to reassemble some of the religious symbolism which is inherent within the scriptural traditions Wow, well yes. So they have to know because the very word religion relates to all this and the foundational traditional things they do also relate so they must know and the redacted nature proves an intention to hide it I get that Let's talk about this very recent disclosure narrative that is making its way across mainstream news networks in America. Stories of the Pentagon finally opening up, in the book you say things like The modern concept of aliens are part of an occult syntax

26:11 a complete code that highlights non-human interference, and Project Blue Book's crowning achievement was to dub previous airships as unidentified making them seem mysterious and incomprehensible. As well as taking into account the complexity of The Secret Before Humanity disclosure is not going to come from civil authorities So you frame this as a secret as old as time and something that is actually driving governments and their actions even today. It seems pretty clear, this disclosure theme that's happening has to be a deception.

26:47 Why now? Why tell us anything. Are they trying to slowly make this hidden parallel society more overt or something? It seems odd when they already have us by the balls, the secret is kept! So why spin the narrative and why do it now? Yeah, that's a really good question. Well I would argue first of all that we've always had disclosure we've had what is known as partial disclosure and partial disclosure works on symbology and it's found within every single language so its a little bit of misnomer to refer to disclosure because we already have disclosure

27:24 Within the biblical tradition, the disclosure is the apocalypse because the apocalypse is apocalyptic which is to unveil. So the uncovering is disclosure literally it means to disclose or unveil so The Apocalypse is the unveiling again I think that this is very very complex we're seeing as what you said there is this gradual shall We say unveiling within public discourse But within the ancient world this was a private discourse and this was, if you like... The symbolism was found within allegory. So for example, Allos Agoria means other speaking it means another and again allos other speaking is really referring to the others and the others are the Allos genes which is translated as an alien And again they're equated the Allos or Other or Another where we get the word Allos Agoria, other-speaking

28:19 The others were represented with a halo, halos which is a halo. So alos which is other or another referring to the others can be represented with halos which is in halo and alias which is a fisherman of men again this is another signifier of an angelic sailor equated with ales which is the sea which again has this denotation of space within the ancient mystery religions and the spirit so I think the metaphor which you've used was very good in which there is this if you like, gradual unveiling but in some respects it's a little bit of a misdemeanor because we've had partial disclosure and we've had this for thousands of years and so within the Egyptian hieroglyphics and the frescoes, we're seeing that boats are equated with these angelic messengers. Mm-hmm And I definitely liked that point in the book about certain disciples in the Bible being depicted with halos and that is

29:22 little clue that they're supposed to be connected to this angelic bloodline or they're born of a vessel as you say. But, this current disclosure narrative I mean they really are forcing it into the news cycle nobody's really asking for it so it seems like there must be some weird agenda because it doesn't seem driven by social pressure anything like that Let's see, I think this is a good point and this is going into what I refer to in my book as the dialectic. So essentially what we're seeing is you have the argument, the counter-argument and the synthesis of the arguments now with the apocalypse with the unveiling you would have the synthesis of ideology so for example if you was looking at Marxist ideology and materialism you'd see that for example the thesis would be feudalism, the antithesis would be capitalism

30:14 then the synthesis is communism. And this is really what we're moving towards, it's the synthesis of ideology and part of the synthesis of this ideology is where you get the synthesis of our ideology there's a synthesis of gender and there's also the synthesis between human and non-human entities and again this has actually been seen and being driven through this type of disclosure which is occurring at the moment. Well yes! It'll be interesting to see as unravels if it really goes in that direction. And I guess i would ask what do these beings want with us ultimately? I would think that part of the fun of ruling over someone is the flex, the ego gratification What did these angelian masters of the waveform get out of putting so much energy and attention into ruling over ignorant masses in secret

31:06 Well they are masters of worlds and so the implication is that they've seeded many different worlds. And again we can only speculate and so this would be conjecture but my understanding of this is their currency knowledge and so they're very interested in knowledge and this is why they see did many different planets My understanding of this is that they're interested in emerging systems and therefore the. Reviewing evolutionary systems on their analyzing evolution or systems in the game, there are 18 changes within the evolutionary system so if you like

31:43 The hardware are the institutions, the governments etc. But the software is a human mind which runs itself and which runs its cost now some of these emergent systems can be predicted in some of these emerging systems cannot be predicted So for example let's say there is a species of being on a different planet and lets say they are not as technologically advanced as our species but lets say that they are actually really good at building maybe they would design a new type of concrete and this type of concrete, is better than any other existing type of concrete and then this would be assimilated in the knowledge bank

32:20 they would assimilate this knowledge. And so I think that the currency within the universe is knowledge and they're using emergent systems such as systems of evolution in order to remain top dog because actually, we are dealing here with a predacious species now in terms of alien entities, I think in general most species move towards equilibrium So I think most aliens species evolve towards a state of equilibrium But there are, if you like beings on both sides of the fence. So you may have very spiritual beings and then you may have very predacious beings And so here we're dealing I think with a more predacious race of being and they're interested in actually remaining at the top of the food chain and so they exploit in these emerging systems in order to gain information and gain knowledge and to remain at the top of the food chain but again this is conjecture because again We're dealing with a holographic

33:19 species they have deconstructed time and space, they exist outside of time they exist outside the space. And not only this but they've also deconstructed the spiritual realm and I think that this is important to underline because As a holographic culture, once you deconstruct the waveform reality and you can pick apart the difference between the particle and the waveform then this leads into the spiritual realm in the realm of ideas. And so they are very closely equated with the spiritual realm in the realm of ideas. So this interface between the physical realm and the realm of ideas Plato referred to as

33:54 as the realm of universal form, which are universal ideas. Which is this spiritual realm of ideas, this imaginal realm and the imaginal realm is particularised in a particular form and it becomes physical in physical material reality And there's this interface between the spiritual realm which is this realm of ideas and then the physical realm And I think that the Ruakeluum, the high spirits, Aka the Elakke which is a high creature. They're very interested in this interface between the two realms and they're interested in the monopoly of ideas and yeah, the franchise of knowledge basically this interface between learning and understanding and having knowledge which is this currency. Wow! They've deconstructed the spiritual realm it just seems

34:42 So mind-blowing. They are, I guess inspired by learning every intimate detail of reality setting things up and then watching how they go and you don't really have to step out onto the main stage if you have the technology to stay hidden Well yeah, and I think that this is actually found within the jinn as well. And so you have a type of jinn known as the Karin now the word Karin is translated typically as companion. I also like the word familiar and the Karina closely related to Kayin which is an entity and again it's closely concordant with Erin which is a watcher or a shining one The implication would be that the Karin is this type of seraphic host

35:26 So the carin are telepathic and this is found within the Arabic etymology kari meaning telepathic. And so these angelic beings they can read thought forms I'm convinced that they can read the thought forms of all living creatures from the smallest ants to the human being and complexity of the human mind. So they understand human psychology better than what we understand psychology, and again i think that their collecting this information collating this information and using this information

36:03 And again we find examples of this in the Quran with the Kiram and Qatabin which are the noble scribes or the noble recorders. Now, the noble scribes or the noble recorders are said to record good and bad deeds but essentially this is going back to the Socratic tradition of the Agatha daemon and the Kaku daemon which are the good and the bad daemons it was said that Socrates would speak to two daemons which were the Agatha Daemon and the Kaku Daemon, which was this good and this bad daemon. And he would have this dialogue which became the dialectic so if you like the linchpin of human or western

36:44 Academia is based upon this dialectic tradition, which is this dialogue. And this dialogue is really the difference if you like between the rational mind and subconscious mind which is according to Cicero the rational mind is the human mind and irrational mind is the demonic mind. Again we're finding in also informs psychoanalytical theory in which they're borrowing upon this Roman idea of the rational and the irrational mind, which is this demonic mind. And so the conscious and unconscious minds feeds into a demonic realm. So the realm of ideas is the spiritual realm in which the mind can drift and penetrate the spiritual realm, which is timeless. Then the mind conceptualizes it, which is the conscious mind

37:33 And so there is this interplay between the conscious and the unconscious mind, between the spiritual and the physical realm which in the platonic discourse would be the universal forms or universal ideas which is a spiritual realm. Then these universal ideas... The implicit realm is explicated it becomes particularised, it becomes physical. So if you like this interaction between the spiritual and the physical and the living. For example we would see that correspondence between animus which is the spirit and an animal. The animal is a being which has a spirit so yes there is this interplay between the realm of ideas and the physical realm, this implicit order which is explicit which becomes explicit within the physical realm

38:24 Wow, well you're making all kinds of great points and the history is really fascinating. The ancient stuff but how do we know that there's still a continuation of this going on? Where do we see their lieutenants running the planet and the organizations of the earth today what organizations are they primarily working through now? Well I think that they're found within the corporate logos So, for example just off the top of my head the Nike logo. I mean Nike means victory but again it's very synonymous with the Socratic tradition so it's found all over within this symbology but that is a very difficult question and off the top of my head its kind of a question that I'd have to really think about and come back and probably give a very detailed answer

39:19 Right, right. Because my thought is that sometimes words and symbols have an original meaning but then thousands of years later people forget and they can't really recall what it was about but they still quest for power no question there. And rulers want to appear special and chosen by God So, like throughout history how do we know this isn't something that at some point they just started using these motifs the ruling class just kind of cooked some of this stuff up halfway through to justify their positions in society but they didn't have to answer to the masses. They're like oh well I was chosen by God! I think this is a really good point

40:02 I mean, obviously you could argue that basically the symbology is just from this secret society of individuals. That they've elevated themselves above everyone else because they are leaders and rulers but i think the argument against our hypotheses would be the fact that we've got polyglottal symbols which show or demonstrate that there are these angelic sailors, which are cross-cultural and found within all languages. And again this idea that the king is identified with the angels is cross cultural so for example The Japanese lineage of emperors traced their lineage back to Rujin. Now the word Rujin literally means dragon man and again within the Greek you would have Basilikos a serpent, and Basileus which is a king within the Persian Ma'alida, ma which is a serpent Arabic Sareefa noble Seraph a serpent in the Greek Archon and Drachon or Archon and Akan from the Babylonian root which is a Seraph so

40:58 So I think that these word plays, and again even the Chinese emperor Yong Long which is a dragon. Again the imperial bloodline is equated with the dragon so I think these world plays demonstrate uniformity of belief and therefore we really do have to take seriously that malec in angel is equated with melech which is a king on this idea but the angels are identified with the Angelic host and with this royal blood line which is defined as kingship And again, even with the prince Amir, a Prince Amara which is a host. But again we see that he's equated with the jinn as well and so this is very interesting these word plays which keep on cropping up in our cross-cultural

41:41 Right i think it's a criticism which some people would argue and put forward and I think that they survived. Criticism but when you begin to look at the symbology of the illuminati your beginning to see these word plays with church conversion throughout many different languages and this is actually interesting point in terms of the Illuminati because the illuminati are equated with Sirius, Siro is that it's the shining one and the illuminati are identified with angels so for example in the Arabic Aksari is a brother of light now the Aksaris where we get the Latin translation of the illuminati but what's very interesting about the word Aksari a brother of light is that it's a diptych paranamacea or some word play on

42:26 Aramaic expression, Aksari. Aksari is a brother of an angel alien stranger or foreigner so the brothers of light are equated with an angel alien stranger our foreigner and when we break down the symbology of course the brothers of light is another representation of the seraph serepha which is fire as we said before the jinn or the seraphim because they're one in the same word they are equated with Sirius the shining one and so we're seeing here that within the classical tradition, that the angels are deemed to be... Well first of all they're non-human and this is very important. They're identified with an angelic host traditionally they're also equated with ships and vessels And again their origins go back to Sirius So when we begin to piece this together The Ufological Tradition is really this ancient tradition which goes back into the Scaphological and Classical Traditions Which is this naval tradition going back

43:21 angelic rulers and kingship. So it's kind of a convoluted answer but it's... Well, that's a reasonable rebuttal. And I guess to ask you a little bit more about today if this control structure is still in place and active then we would have to assume they are ultimately driving something like the COVID-19 situation ID 2020 the great reset and the rollout of a global genetics altering injection should we look at these things differently with this new context of a parallel society truly calling the shots here, no pun intended? Yes. I mean, I think that this is actually important. The coronavirus literally means king of the virus. Corona is our crown and again we're seeing that there's an etymology with COVID in Kabod which is glory. Kabod was used to denote an angelic vessel which was equated with Kavitz which was a barrel now in the Bible

44:21 The chariots of the gods were typically represented as spinning wheels. So we have references in the book of Ezekiel, for example to the Ophanim Now the word Ophanim comes from the word Ofan which is a wheel. Ophanim is the plural noun meaning wheels This is because the wheels are constructed together The word Ophanim is used to denote a flying saucer in modern parlance, but the flying saucers are constructed together as a series of interlinking cogs. And so the Ophanim wheels are constructed from a series of concentric circles or wheels and again the terminology is identified with Panna which is to spin or turn and Ophaiah which is to shine So these are spinning shining wheels

45:04 Now, obviously some people have argued that the spinning shining wheels are astro-theological and I think this is actually important because when we look at the opening wheels they were described as being constructed objects. So, masa means something which is constructed or made so these were constructed objects but when we're looking at the symbology what we see with the opening wheels is that they're often tied in with astro-theological symbolism and so what we're looking at here it's a very nuanced layered picture within the symbology so for example if you want to represent an angel let's say originating from Sirius then you may have a shining wheel on the shining wheel one

45:45 then feed into the symbology of Sirius but would also equate with the Seraphim and their angelic vessels which are these shining opening wheels. Now sometimes within the symbolism, within the Greek mysteries You'll see that a throne is combined with the wheel. Again, this is a throne chariot and the throne chariot again is another symbol of a spinning wheel which are identified with these angelic vessels Another symbol of the opening wheels is a shield, a bosun shield So you'l have a shield with a spike This can be represented as a circle within a circle or a wheel and axle And again hieroglyphically this is used to denote Sirius so therefore we see

46:23 there is a representation. The representation of the wheel is a circle within the circle, it's a large circle with the small circle in the middle which is an axilum wheel which are the opening wheels but hieroglyphically this is used to denote Sirius what's very interesting is that the votive dishes also are used as a glyph for Sirius so the votive dishes typically have a circular and they have a little blob in the middle and again this is to denote the Axilum Wheel So they're literally venerating these angelic vessels As we said before in English This would be to worship because they're venerating these vessels. In the Arabic it would be sabbah, to praise or glorify which is equated with Sabaoth which is the host, the angelic host as we said before in the Hebrew Sabaoth is transliterated as Saboath. Sabaoth is equated with sabah an army

47:11 Sevet, which is a crew of the vessel. Teva, which is an ark so we're dealing here with these angelic ships are arks which are equated with archons or malachite angels and malachite sailors. The word Archon is used to denote an Angel Well, you definitely know symbols and terms quite well. I am curious because we've had a lot of guests bring up the black cube and of course Kaba You know they have their whole thing with the black cube There was a black cube put at the One World Trade Center there seems to be a lot of black cube symbolism How do you tie that in? Well, I tie that in the murder of reality and go into a lot of symbology with the Kabbah. It's extremely complex symbolism but we see that if you like there is wordplay between Keb which is serpent, Kab which is coil and Kabbah which is cube again cube is used to denote cube over heaven because heaven is represented as square so it's very complex symbol without going over my notes on

48:15 the Kabba, it would be a very complex answer. So I think I'll just leave it there but essentially is going into the worship of the serpent Keb which is a serpent, Kabb which is a coil and again this has connotations of Habil as well which is pregnancy and this idea of this divine lineage which is equated with the serpent and its equate to this royal lineage which is the stitched or graft bloodline Right on well you also mentioned the illuminati and that's kind of a term that might even get some eyes to roll around here but i think you're using that term.

48:53 to denote the intermediaries that are put into positions of power from these masters of the waveform, let's say. And I've heard you talk about this in a lot of depth that there are three sections of the Illuminati in this tripartite system, this hidden power and...I am curious can you help the people map out this family tree of control? Let's say Yeah, I think that this is an important point. Essentially the Illuminati are divided into three sections and these sections work together cooperatively but they also can be antagonistic as well and again this is because they're representing different contingents of the occult or esoteric tradition so we have... Three parts of the illuminati can be symbolized as follows you have

49:45 the Hebrew ish man is related to ash which is fire and again they're contrasted with the non-human elements which are the seraphim, serapha which is fire so again you have another component of the Illuminati. And then you have the neophyte which literally means neophotis, the newly planted, phot which is light. So the newly planted again are equated with the Illuminati now the Illuminati goes back into the symbology as we said before of the Aksori brother of light, again equated with Aksari which is a brother of an angel or alien, stranger or foreigner. Again these beings are said to be Musa which are strange so the symbology is going back to the Seraphic tradition and the Seraphic host but essentially the Illuminati has three components

50:33 you have this grafted bloodline, this cloned bloodline again clone which is a twig equated with a clone. So the symbology of the twig is often used to denote this cloned bloodline which is stitched and again this symbolism is often found within Genesis as well in the Bible you would have the tree knowledge and then you have the serpent and you have Adam and Eve so the symbology there off the tree denotes this cloning or this clone of twigs or the cloning of bloodlines stitching together or literally the grafting of the bloodlines within the ancient languages. And we see therefore in the occult tradition that there is this partition between, in the classical tradition you have the Pythagorean tradition which is in Greek this would be Puthos Agoria, The Speaker Of The Serpent so The Speaker Of The Serpent is really this seraphic tradition

51:24 and is contrasted with the Euclidean tradition. Euclid is to copy or to ape, literally coming from the Arabic word Kurd which is an ape so the Euclidean tradition is working on this Arabic wordplay this idea that mathematics copies our apes external world but when we break the Pythagorean-Euclidean tradition down really what we're looking at here is Seraphic, Cherubic tradition. I refer to this as the Seraphim-Cherubim dialectic so this is hidden knowledge which has been imparted to mankind through two distinct traditions, which is this occult tradition. This is the impartation of knowledge from non-human angels which are the Seraphim as we said before that the Seraphim are equated with the Djinn, Jaina serpent or worm in the Old Semitic and then you've got the Cherubim tradition which are these human angels and therefore the Seraphim and the Cherubim within the Bible and the Apocrypha they often appear together so the angelic host will often make reference in the Apocrypha for example

52:24 In the Apocrypha when they're talking about opening wheels, they'll often refer to the Seraphim and the Cherubim. So they appear together and I think that this is actually very interesting when we look at modern ufology as well because in many accounts within the ufological tradition We see if you like the same representation so these beings are often considered to be strange They're often considered to be alien As we said before Zar is an angel, alien stranger or foreigner It's a polymorphic word. Again, Zar is equated to Syrah which is about. Again even within the Latin the same word plays are found so for example in the Latin alienus is an alien, alnus which is about or ship and so these beings are considered to be strange but they often appear with human entities as well and this is also found within the ufological tradition if you like the combination between the human and non-human element

53:17 And this is really part of the ufological tradition, this idea that these beings impart knowledge. And we're still finding this today so for example as many abductees will talk about that they often feel like they've had a download of information and that these entities will tell them about the possible future in often it's very bleak future but they impart information and sometimes they impart very complex information as well like mathematics or geometry. And again, they seem to communicate through symbolism as well and so this is a very important part of the esoteric tradition is this symbolism which is this layered language. The symbol is really compacted

53:59 It's composed of language but it's almost like an encyclopedia the symbol can be unpacked and it conveys a multitude of ideas information. with just one symbol. And we find this certainly within language as well, in the use of polymorphic language and the use of polymorphic symbols so where words can have multiple meanings and therefore has multiple connotations and is found within this esoteric tradition which we referred to earlier as the Wujual Quran, this forgotten recitation or the forgotten Quran which is this exploitation of polymorphic language So yeah i love it but man what a whirlwind of information this is been so interesting

54:44 As we're starting to wrap this thing up, you say in the book that the final order is to reunite our species and take our rightful place with the gods as co-creators and equal participants on the planet. Well that's a nice sentiment but how could we even do that? How could we get free it seems like were outmanned and outgunned does they say is there a strategy that you think would work? Absolutely yes Take an individual responsibility i think really what we need to do in terms of humanity is rather than pulling together and having these large movements which can be co-opted by secret organizations, you need to take personal responsibility. I almost look at it like circuits on a circuit board if we can get enough circus to light up then we can actually affect your way to change anything this is really important so for example

55:41 I've been heavily involved in writing reports for my local council in West Yorkshire because they were trying to fluoridate the water, which is essentially poison the water. I educated the council and sent a 200-page report to my local council and again I was heavily involved with the research dispelling fracking within the UK I wrote a book on why the government was breaking the law in terms of fracking and why it was illegal practice. And so we have to take responsibility, and again it might not be something that you want to do. I mean I wasn't interested in fluoride and I certainly didn't want to write a 200 page report on it

56:21 And that took me a long time. I'd much prefer to have been working on my follow up to holographic culture and it's the same with the fracking book as well, I mean, my fracking book took me six months to write and again I'm working on a vaccine book looking at the history of vaccines from smallpox and polio because again the paradigm of vaccines are all based upon this early research and I'm questioning How good is the science behind the early research? And when we begin to look into the early science, it's extremely questionable. So I'm doing this out of a sense of necessity. I'm not doing it because I want to. You know, I'm not interested in fracking and I'm not interested in fluoride and I'm not interested in vaccines. I'm doing it out of a sense of personal responsibility. And I think that this is what people need to do as well. We all have skills. We all have abilities

57:13 Some people might just be really good at posting ideas on facebook and getting people to engage with ideas and think about it other people may not be really. Very talkative or they maybe very shy but they could still do something like just post out some leaflets let's say that they wanted to put up a 5G mast near your school, maybe you could post out leaflets and educate the general public about the problems with 5G and the potential problems there in terms of cancer. So I think it is a matter of taking personal responsibility. It is being able to use your skills that you have whatever those skills are. For some people if you're just a teacher might be throwing controversial ideas at students

57:55 And talking to students about ideas which are outside of the box and i think that's a responsibility we have a responsibility. To our brothers and sisters in the world we have a responsibility to ourselves and we have responsibilities for families, can we need to really engage with this responsibility because living in very troubled times but i am not just i do believe in the inherent goodness of mankind i think it's too long been told that were sinful where Almost wretched creatures and i do believe that there is a lot of goodness within humanity and really do you believe that humanity once we can begin to piece together the knowledge. Once we can begin to take responsibility for our actions and take responsibility for the planet, i think we can be a force for good within the universe now really do believing humanity and i believe in the goodness of humanity so that's really where

58:51 We could tie up the interview maybe on that positive thought that we take our responsibility and try to be impeccable and i think this is important and it's really difficult you probably know this because. I put out youtube when i have time in between my writing a try and put out youtube sometimes people can be really really rude, the national information is obviously just want to know somebody's horrible to you want to be horrible back. You have to try and be impeccable behavior you have to try and set an example and i think it's important to try and beat the best version of yourself into trying certain examples and try

59:29 live an impeccable and moral life, try to set an example for your children and for other people. And I think if you do that it's almost like a ripple effect so a person who is inspirational or good whether it's a teacher whether its colleague at work So for example if you've got really difficult people but can rise above that and set an example Then what you will tend to find is that people they start to behave themselves as well and they start to respect one another and things start to work much more smoothly so it's taking responsibility and is working individually great believe in terms of.

1:00:11 It's almost what you're trying to do with the system because the system is always pushing pushing pushing it always wants to take i think its important to try and push back. I don't want to sleep do pushback in a way which peaceful but you know to do it in a way in which the system can predict, If suddenly, if you had 10.000 people listening to this and every single person on your channel who was listening said to themselves You know what? I'm just going to do one thing And that's what i would say to your viewers Just do one thing Write it down, write down a pledge I am going to deliver 1.000 leaflets about 5G or I'm going to deliver some leaflets about vaccines Or whatever you're interested in and I'm just going to do one thing

1:00:56 The system can't accommodate that. It can't accommodate lots of different people doing their own thing, now this is what I advocate so don't form large groups. I'm not saying you shouldn't form small groups with your friends but when you form large groups these groups could be co-opted by sinister organisations work individually and yeah try to make a difference I know it sounds cliche but try and make the change that you want to be, try and transform the world because i really do think individuals can transform the world. So for example with my fracking book i went to a meeting on fracking and there were three people in the meeting and this guy travelled a distance to do this meeting he was like sighing to himself nobody's even gonna listen to this now listen to him afterwards

1:01:47 I don't want you to go away and think that you haven't made a difference because i listened on it i take number of what you said this is very very important i'm gonna write about it and i'm gonna write. Reports to my local council about this and that's why did i send out the reports and i got in contact with friends of the earth and friends of the earth, They had my book and they said this is really good information, we're going to send this to our lawyers because we are going to court at the moment over this. And about three weeks later the people who were fracking pulled out of the UK and said that they weren't fracking in the UK I do think that my book did contribute because it provided legal arguments why it was actually illegal

1:02:29 But that occurred because of one individual and that one individual only spoke to three people. So, you know I really must impress upon individuals in your audience that if you do something like put out leaflets or talk to people and try and engage with people –and i'm not talking about it in a confrontational way but in a way which is constructive– You can make a change and transform peoples lives and you can transform situations that may seem impossible and you can transform those situations for the better. Amen. Well said, way to bring it home! Personal responsibility is definitely the key we all have to participate somehow and it seems like you and I have chosen our roles pretty wisely but what a wild ride your book is definitely methodical and dense and it makes a great case for the position that you take I appreciate you breaking it all down for us before I let you go tell the people the best way

1:03:28 follow up on your work and anything else you might be working on next that might interest them. The Hidden Kingdom, when's that going to drop? Well I've got to finish this book on vaccines at the moment so i'm not sure it's probably going to be next year now. I would have been releasing it this year but I felt really compelled that I needed to write a book about vaccines so that's something which i'm finishing at the moment. In the finishing stage of that i'll be proofreading the vaccine books soon but The Hidden Kingdom should be coming out I don't know, it might be the end of this year. Next year? I'm not sure you can find my work at Pierre Sabac Books. Sabac is spelt S-A-B-A-K Pierre Sabac books again. I've got a YouTube channel so please subscribe that's at Pierre Sabac again s A B A K

1:04:19 I try and put on videos regularly but sometimes, sometimes i may go a few weeks and there may be no videos and then sometimes i may have a few videos which i release. It all really depends on my workload because i'm working full-time researching and also trying to run my business and I have to post out books and there's orders, it all depends on my workload. But i do try and put out material regularly and I try and interview people within the occult and esoteric and ufology and discuss lots of interesting ideas so please subscribe to my channel because obviously that helps me! And its been great speaking with you thankyou very much for inviting me on your show and yeah thankyou again

1:05:02 You got it. It's been great, I'll make sure the audience has all the appropriate links in these show notes. I appreciate all the work you do and we know particle-wave duality is a thing and it matches what we're experiencing in these strange encounters so why not conclude that advanced beings have cracked it technologically? I think it makes sense! So great work and unique perspective take care out there Thank you again thank you And boom goes the dynamite! Bit of a weird one today, but with all the UFO stuff going on I thought it would be nice to have a guest with much different take than what we're getting on The Nightly News. And Pierre's book Holographic Culture is a nice addition to anyone's Weird Stuff Book Collection It's one of the thickest books on my shelf and there's a lot of really great graphic work that helps illustrate his points

1:05:57 along with images of a lot of the ancient symbols that he references to help make his points, and it's just very academic. I'm sure you can tell just by the way that he talks that he tries to keep this at a very high level He takes it seriously and it is his life's work We are lucky to have people like Pierre And I would like to see him get some appreciation for it because these subjects are just so often ridiculed and even when people do take them seriously It's still gonna be a very limited audience to make your living from. So, to do all this work, to put together such a large detailed book... it's something to be respected! And this is obviously just the latest of several books that he's put together and I think he's right on a lot of things The relationship between words in the areas of divinity, royals, angels and sailors

1:06:54 I can see his point that when you trace it back, these words and themes are all in the same soup. And across different languages too! It's also a great point to simply say these beings have mastered wave-particle duality. I don't know if they've done it technologically or possibly its natural aspect of whatever they are but I don't always hear these kinds of conversations put into that context I was really intrigued by the idea that halos in religious artwork originally were to denote that a certain figure was of an angelic ship. The Vatican twisted and warped pretty much everything it touched, watered down spirituality to the point of being almost useless, and keeps their vast library so thoroughly hidden away under lock-and-key there's gotta be some deception here! And I think Pierre might have nailed it

1:07:50 It is weird that they're so secretive about the Vatican Archive in modern times, isn't it? Even the CIA put together a digitized vault of a lot of information. And oftentimes as the story goes missionaries were told by an angel—a haloed being—where to build a church if you put this in the context of like a military operation and assault or a colonization... ...it's like the angels are the generals telling them where to establish bases probably to capture the energy centers of the planet. And then you build all this sacred geometry into the structure that plays on human consciousness, they have these crazy steeples with a big metal cross at the top... I think that creates some kind of energetic vortex or a welling up of such energies. Get a bunch of people in there chanting and drinking wine and listening to pipe organ music? It probably only amplifies that energy

1:08:53 But it's all really compelling stuff to me. You know, when I interviewed Dean Henderson he chalked Corona up to the crown, the queen knighting Bill Gates and all that stuff Pierre in The Second Hour took that one level higher-the crown, the Illuminati these are just the intermediaries to the Angelians along those same lines i think most likely also in The Plus Show Another thing that was a mind blower to me was this idea of identifying the believers. Offering them a shot that will mark them as such ties in pretty nicely there I've heard people make the case, well wouldn't the elite want to give a vaccine to their most obedient sheeple and then maybe release a virus that kills all the rebels out there? And it kind of depends on what the goal is

1:09:50 And what reality is, if it's a soul school meant to be an initiation process of some kind about trusting yourself and your intuition and being your own god or some kinda Gnostic theme then no. You mark the true believers because those are the ones who failed the test. Mm-mm-mmm All great stuff but Pierre is just a really interesting character and interesting characters do the kinda work that we like around here He's a nice guy trying to do his thing. His website is easy to navigate if you liked hearing him on this show, let him know! Check out more of his work

1:10:33 Sure, he's focused on this big picture ancient alien controllers of the waveform stuff. But he's also stopping fracking in his city He's educating locals on fluoride and vaccines... He's really one of the good ones and I would love it if he came away from this experience feeling validated Feeling like his work is appreciated So help me facilitate those warm fuzzy feelings if you would be so kind I know he was excited about doing this interview and the good things he heard about our audience size and passion, so i just hope those things are confirmed. If you guys were into it maybe we do a follow-up sometime built around his other book The Murder of Reality because it sounds equally interesting! I'm kind of jumping around in the aspects of what we talked about in The Free Show and The Plus Show but if you're a little confused about some of this its time to sign up and join the club

1:11:30 In that second hour today, for the plus people who really make my world go round we added a lot of interesting layers to the conspiracy cake. We talked about decoding the family crests of the elite... ...the naval lineage and naval intelligence... ...burying ancient weapons and relics at holy sites. We're familiar with this idea of X marks the spot but maybe it was always a cross and not an X? I think a lot of movies have played with that twist Getting even with Dad, with Ted Danson comes to mind. We also discussed where Pierre thinks the artifacts and buried saucers are on the planet. We talked about the Roswell artifact in The Invisible College that kind of got pretty close to Chris Knowles' Roswell working material maybe Roswell was more of an occult thing rather than a crashed saucer from a distant planet

1:12:30 We talked about the Salvation Army's involvement in all of this, seeding corporations that have advantages from the holographic culture leading their industries. I asked about the idea that these beings are only here to exploit us maybe they are here to help in some cases Pierre gave us a new take on The Rapture That's kind of what I was referencing earlier sucking people up into a vortex seizing the true believers...I loved that part We got into Pierre's own encounters and the prospect of beings inside the Earth. Egregores, tulpas and living thoughts! It was a Hireside Chats conspiratorial cornucopia if there ever was one. Covered a lot as we always do I put a lot of work into sourcing guests and getting as much out of them as I can. I try to respect your time enough to earn that eight dollars a month so help me out here. Go to hiresideschats.com to sign up

1:13:30 People have also asked about paying for Plus with PayPal because they don't use credit cards. Well, that is a big part of why I offer Plus through Patreon as well as the site itself If you want to use PayPal to pay for plus then the patreon option is there and you can get all the plus shows in the same fashion. I also accept any cryptocurrency that can be held in the Exodus wallet Cash check or money order at the PO box that you'll find on the About page of the site as well as barter and trade if you happen to be some sort of craftsman yourself. So I'm pretty flexible, if you can come up with any way to reciprocate for this show then I'm probably down for it but it was a fun one today if you ask me big thanks to Pierre for his years of dedication probably someone who is a new name for a lot of you guys and I hope you enjoyed it

1:14:26 PierreSebacBooks.com, and I'll see you next time! Your move Angelic Sailors, Elite Liaisons and Keepers of the Angellion Secret... your fucking move. When you see weird lights outside of your door Something sits on your chest when you sleep It might be a pattern You've been through before Oh, you might have those screen memories Darling wait till we get some proof Still we'll make them see And baby I tried the camera right I'm not crazy How people can't get free from mistakes

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1:16:32 Cause they never put me back exactly the same way And the pain is as real as a scream Honey, our souls might be the whole goal, our sense of theme The higher side chats has covered all that we're breaking free People can't get free from mysterious craze It's getting just a bit out of We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hybriding plan But now, don't walk into their skinny arms

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1:18:29 Don't walk into the skinny, oh No they came from the sky From out of the stars Play something on my beating heart I'm shouting out loud Baby, this damn life is too bizarre Honey, I think we're on some kind of far Baby, this damn life is too bizarre