Phoenix Aurelius | Personal Mastery, The Unseen Realms, & Fungi

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood These are the higher side chats. Back in the saddle and ready to ride from sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and it seems to me that anyone who takes an honest assessment of the state of the world right now can clearly see we're not in a good place. Depression rates are only getting higher, the advice and treatment from the medical establishment is only getting worse, and were desperate for the authenticity the digital age is lacking

01:51 Our energy and attention has been captured by phone notifications, corporate programming and thankless jobs for which we have no passion. It's hard to imagine the solutions could start with gardening walking in the woods or developing a meditation routine but the things that don't serve us are so severely intertwined in our lives that some proverbial Stockholm Syndrome has us in such a deep denial few people truly even test the theory But we see examples like today's returning guest Phoenix Aurelius, who show us the value in fully engaging with natural systems and esoteric aspects of life. And that perennial philosophy baked into the world beyond the bright flashing lights of another psychologically manipulative marketing machine and the chaos of our signal-soaked cities

02:37 You might recall from his last round on THC that Phoenix is a self-taught Spagiricist who has been practicing and teaching the alchemical arts and sciences since 2005. And as a student of Paracelsus' work, he's been reconstructing Spigeric theory, philosophy practice and pharmacopoeia for the 21st century at the Phoenix Aurelius Research Academy which you can find at phoenixaurelius.org along with his carefully crafted spigeric tinctures It's an honor to pleasure to have him back our liaison to the deeper layers of reality reviver of lost arts and educator of alchemical ways Phoenix my man welcome back to The Higher Side

03:15 Hey thanks so much great it's always a pleasure to be here yes thanks for doing it again so soon i really had a blast last time but i was left with maybe even more questions and we started when i did my job then, yes yes. It just shows how far the average person is from these things but its nice that weekend start a little bit further down the line this time assuming some of the fundamentals are still rattling around in people's heads out there When it comes to your own experiences though, this was something that I cut last time that might be a good way to get us off the ground. But it is a quote from your site where you write in 2014

03:57 Amazonian Herbals to travel on site to Terrapoto, Peru and offer the founders and their staff a 40 day Spagyric apprenticeship. During my time there I was able to develop strong relationships with Amazonian Cosmology I existentially connected with the concept of bioregional animism, locations having conscious expressions of intelligence that act by way of the vegetation mineral and animal expressions that lives there upon. In the Amazon, the magic of things is much thicker than the tamed places we have come to know in the United States." Well don't I know it?

04:35 You know we talked about animism before but can you talk to us about the experience of being in the amazon and how you saw the intelligence of the natural system or consciousness express itself in ways that might sound strange to someone who is spent most their life and american cities. Man yeah this is really fun topic i'm glad that were starting out with those men so, 2014 i got invited down by aubrey bond dot indonesia santos who run the corian tea amazonian herbals business and then they also run the yaku mama sanctuary of integral shamanism.

05:14 And so Dionysios has been down there for the better part of, you know like 30 years or something teaching shamanism and he's a westerner himself actually. So he was born in Spain and then moved to France as a child and had a very successful corporate job. He ended up moving to Peru in order to work with the Shipibo shamans and the shamans of the upper Amazonian basin So he's been down there for a very, very long time and he's trilingual. He speaks English French Spanish so they get people from all over the world actually going down there and God I forget how many years ago it is but Aubrey was very insistent at a certain point that they get together and start working together and she ultimately ended up falling in love with Dionysio which would be very difficult not to do to be perfectly honest because he's just fantastically charming individual

06:07 So together they have combined all of their efforts and they have a completely beautiful eco sanctuary down there. So when I went down there, I didn't just go down blind and I wasn't just listening to you know like the quote unquote monetary shamans that will do a ceremony for just about any gringo with money these people really live and walk their talk so Aubrey is a Ayurvedic practitioner Her whole goal is to take all of the items of the Amazon and make essential oils, hydrosols, room sprays and tinctures. And eventually Spagyric's too that was my whole role going down there. To be able to classify those medicines within the context of Ayurveda because up until her there has really been nobody doing that so they have this very unique

07:00 perspective and way of looking at things and interacting with the environment. And like I said, because Dionisio has been down there for 30 years he studied with all of the different types of tribes that you can in the upper Amazonian Basin everywhere from Iquitos all the way into Sacred Valley and of course where they live in Tarapoto they have the Lamistas. The Lamistas are a very interesting indigenous tribe in the upper Amazonian basin. And where Tarapoto is, is actually a coca growing region so this is where the coca for the entire Incan Empire realistically at least from the Peruvian aspects of the Incan Empire would have been grown and transported up into the Sacred Valley for so many of the ceremonies that have been going on there for thousands of years

07:51 So, very interesting thing. The Lamistas are very interesting as well because they don't have a whole lot of magical practice per se but they do have a practice of what's called Vegetalista or Vegetalismo which would be like vegetable healing A form of magic using the plants is what we refer to it in English So they have like mapacheros, which takes Mapacho sacred tobacco, sacred Amazonian tobacco and they'll perform all these healings and things but they don't have any windows in their houses because they think that negative spirits can enter in through the windows. And you know just a very very... You do not point at rainbows because the rainbow will bite you and then you'll get sick. You never go outside in the rain. You never stand out in the wind especially in the evenings. You always have to go indoors in the evenings otherwise

08:44 The beings out there make you sick and they have a very very steep cosmology weather your love me stuff or just. It's interesting because they kind of discriminate against their own indigenous tribes. So there are Peruvians and then there are indigenous, and the Peruvians like those who live in Tarapoto for instance, they still abide by a lot of the old indigenous ways and beliefs in cosmology but there is a very clear distinct difference in their own opinion between the ways of life and so many other things. So, the Peruvians themselves in Tarapoto are still very much so alive with this cosmology they have this concept of a being known as Chuyachaki and Chuyachaki became one my favorite fascinations actually is the entire Amazonian cosmology because he's kind of like the Amazonian equivalent pan you know the Greek God Pan the Seder

09:41 So they oftentimes will say that he has you know, the skin of a snake more or less the body of a human But his legs are oftentimes like hooved animals. So sometimes deer sometimes goats and then he has horns and just a very very interesting cosmology but it's kind of The Keeper of the Forest and when we went on a hike to I think it's called the waterfall we were doing this hike in our tour guide was telling us that. His brother actually went into the forest is a kid and he didn't take any map with him which is you know the sacred tobacco from amazon didn't take my pager with them so

10:26 Anytime you encounter to your chucky always have to be able to make some sort of offering and tobacco is basically the offering that he really likes me didn't have any came back his arms were ripped off both of those arms. And he was running back to his village and passed out just a short way in front of the village, and ended up living because they were able to cauterize it with really hot moon. But now he has no arms." And according to him in the local villagers that's like a pretty regular common occurrence if you're in the forest doing things that you ought not be doing like harvesting things without permission You might run into Chuyachaki

11:05 And so that was just a very interesting glimpse into the magic that's kind of still alive. But you go even deeper and you start to see that, they have so many different types of what we would refer to in the West as mythical beasts that are still alive and still very believed in and very much so interacted with the local individuals. There is a sense of magic Mysticism that is alive there even in the minds of the common people, even in the Christian population. You know that you just don't see that so much here and in the United States although we do have it We have plenty of places like in Yosemite National Park and so many other places. It's like

11:48 missing 411 actually starts to tap into maybe some of these different interdimensional entities. So we do have them here, it's just not as alive it's just still not as Pronounce as what it was in the amazon and so being able to learn interact with that magic can be able to explore that. Go to different areas two of the entire amazonia region, who is just absolutely spectacular life enriching experience and effect we tried to hold Alchemy in the amazon retreats down there because you know they have an entire retreat house to do it but we just couldn't find enough interest actually for people to wanna go down to the amazon study for ten to fourteen days without me and immersive environment

12:39 You know a lot of that for Western schedules is just it's hard to be away for 7 to 14 days But especially out-of-country, you know if you have kids or a job or any of these other things but you know anybody who's interested in doing that go ahead and let us know we'll put your name on the roster and I'd be more than happy to lead a trip once Peru opens its borders again. Yes, yes that's where i was supposed to be this summer but of course a lot of people's plans got disrupted and it is kind of crazy because those are interesting stories and it seems like the most universal aspect various indigenous cultures seems to be that spirits in entities are very real and you have to adjust your life accordingly so much though that it's

13:21 weird to me that we can strip out the spirits from our culture and nobody seems to be missing limbs without an explanation but of course bears in mountain lions are also dangerous but we've run them out for the most part too so maybe it's something similar maybe our modern cities industrialized culture kind of pushes spirits to the borders in the same way that we push dangerous animals out Well, you know like I was saying actually there are multiple cases especially in various national forests Yosemite being one of them where you do find guts and trails other things missing people but you don't find anything else sometimes they just go missing altogether like there's some very interesting information a woman named Michelle DeVries she is writing a master thesis on this for her degree in metaphysics

14:15 But, you know realistically there have been people out there investigators like David Pagliati's who have been discussing things like this actually for a long time. And you know of course there are wide accounts of what we would refer to as Bigfoot out here in Utah We definitely have skinwalkers and other types of things that were typically used by brujeria or type Magic and you know the Navajo and the Paiute definitely have some long-standing resentment against each other that were pitted by the Mormons where they were casting spells on And cursing each other's land, and if you go into that land especially here in the Uintas South face of the Uintas near Paiute territory it is

15:03 Definitely you're going to run into some very unexplainable experiences, disappearances different types of things like that as well. So we do have it It's just definitely not as pronounced and of course You know the Roman Catholic Church and then following after that in its wake all of the other different denominations of Christianity have really tried to drive out That concept of spirits from our modern culture today And I think that that's folly It doesn't matter whether you go to places like Ireland or Iceland or whatever else, Norway. They all have traditions where the little people or where the elves or where the gnomes where they dwell and

15:46 How do you interact and even know like in norway and sweden stuff if you were to take a pot of boiling water on the ground you first have to make a call out, did the elves are too little people let them know that your going to do it because they take it very offensively if u spill hot water on accidently by not even knowing that there is a good unfair warning before you place. Hot water on the ground so type of magic no type of awareness is definitely alive in the west just perhaps not as pronounced Yes fair points i mean the missing for one one stuff is really fascinating and it does often happen in open spaces or words are national park so its like think back to a time when.

16:28 all of america was open spaces woods and national park like landscapes and i'm sure this stuff was just everywhere. Last time we talked about spirits and alchemy one oh one and the basic idea that everything is made up of sulfur or the soul mercury which is the spirit, and salt which is the body and what i loved about that what makes it seem like such a sound philosophy is just how universally applicable it is working these aspects in the right way and then the right order is as useful for making potent teachers as it is building up better you well,

17:08 to say that everything is also divided into male and female, ones and zeros might seem a bit more obvious but this is also an aspect of that perennial philosophy that goes a lot deeper than we might realize right? Yeah absolutely. For instance in the alchemical cosmology everything originates from what would be known as the universal monad okay the universal source of creation And the universal source of creation or that monad really in order to be able to create it needs to know two functions It needs to know the off function and it needs to know the on function The off function would be what we would perceive as is like the feminine polarity, which is passive Okay and then the active aspect Of that polarity would be what we would conceive to be as the masculine

18:00 And these in alchemy are known as celestial salt and celestial niter respectively, the passive being celestial salt and celestial niter being the active. And from these things that really is the binary coding if you want to look at it into the universe. What we look at is that everything is one from its spiritual source. So when the spiritual dimension All there is realistically, is unity and that's where the monad comes in. As soon as you start to precipitate down from spirituality though the next dimension that we'd be referring to would be the causal dimension and In this this is where cause-and-effect really happens So this is also where sacred geometry Really comes into play and where it's very important because zeros are like angles and ones are

18:50 Very much so just like a straight line or a segment and so every time that you hit a zero It's like creating an angle every time you hit a one. It's the segment connecting that angle to the next Segment, or next angle that you're going to get And there are only so many different forms that you can have by creating zeros and ones before you start building The same types of forms just on top of more elaborate form So, you know play-doh and Hippocrates and so many others. Aristotle, in fact we refer to these oftentimes as Aristotelian thought but Pythagoras was actually the one who drove geometry into Greek cosmology and started talking about what we now call the Platonic solids So you have a sphere which is perfectly feminine that's nothing but zeros

19:41 And then you would have your tetrahedron, which corresponds to the element of fire. And when you create the causal shape of the tetrahedron using the amount of segments and the amount of angles that there are, that is the most active and dynamic of all of those shapes. And it's inverse when you take an inverse shape of it. This goes into Archimedean geometry is another tetrahedron, so it doesn't transform into something else like the rest of the elements do. But if you take water which is for instance the icosahedron and you inverse all of the positions of it through Archimedean geometries, you'll begin to notice that through just a number of processes typically seven processes. You're able to arrive from one geometry to the next so if you start with an icosahedron you follow all of the Archimedean steps, the seven Archimedean steps then what you end up with on the other hand is a pentagonal dodecahedron which corresponds to spirit

20:42 And of course, if you do this with a cube and you follow the Archimedean geometries, you end up with an octahedron at the end of those seven processes. And vice versa so the dodecahedron can easily be turned into an icosahedron and a cube can easily be turned into an octahedron vice versa So those really are the way...so you have your fire air water earth and spirit concepts all embodied inside of geometry. And what makes something a perfect platonic solid is if all of the angles are completely equal in that geometric form, and if all of the lengths of the segments are exactly the same as well and if they all fit inside of a sphere so that all of the angles are touching the edges of the sphere perfectly

21:32 That's really the criteria that are necessary in order to make a platonic solid. And so these platonic solids, at least within our framework of creation appear to be kind of like the causal building blocks and over time like for instance if I take a cube and I start adding tetrahedrons onto each of the faces, each of the six faces. Now we have a more elaborate geometry and on each of those faces of the tetrahedrons that are on site cube, if we add some octahedrons onto those triangular faces then we start to get even a more complex geometry and so on and so forth. And this is kind of the way from the causal perspective from the causal level how creation begins to stack upon itself and create new possibilities of what is available in terms of conscious exploration for anything that exists within the causal plane

22:31 And like I kind of talked about from the causal plane descends into the astral plane and the astral plane really is corresponding to the base platonic geometries. And this deals with your elements, you know four elements plus the quintessence of spirit or icosahedron which is a perfect balance of all four of the Aristotelian element so no one element takes predominance And it's within that framework that the astral really is able to take shape and draw its power from the causal. And then from there, the astral precipitates into etheric energy which we would primarily refer to as electromagnetism but the flow of anything actually it doesn't just have to be flow of electromagnetism flow of any energy

23:17 And then from there, that informs physical matter how to precipitate. So realistically what we're looking at in terms of celestial salt and celestial niter are the basic building blocks to create things within the causal plane and that's where the concept of masculine and feminine originally starts but then when you precipitate into the astral plane fire would be the active of the active elements, whereas air or wind would be the passive of the active elements that correspond to celestial niter. And celestial salt would have the active of the passive being water and the passive of the passive being earth. So you see that there is yin within yang and yang within yin just like they talk about in Chinese cosmology

24:09 also making its way into Western cosmology just through these concepts of celestial salt and celestial niter. And, of course like we've talked about on the etheric plane everything is composed of a soul spirit and body or sulfur mercury and salt and what that looks like really is that the combination of fire and wind is what creates sulfur and a combination of wind and Water is what creates mercury which is androgynous or actually hermaphroditic So fire would be very masculine soul would be very masculine The hermaphroditic archetype would be mercury And then of course you have the feminine archetype being salt Which is a combination of water and earth, and so you have those four

24:56 Elements essentially creating three very distinct and very unique. Gender is by the time you get to be a there body and those are also the three genders that you actually see appearing in nature all over which is masculine feminine or hermaphrodite And this being somewhat of a conspiracy show and this is thorny territory but there are people out there who's research seems to be focused on the fact that they're trying to increase, the androgynous gender and. It something it's not like my biggest priority in terms of like the problems or dealing with here but it is interesting to think about the easter egg agendas of the elite n

25:41 Having the context of the different realms and dimensions in the structures of reality that the average guy doesn't really have it does seem like they're doing some kind of meddling there i what do you think about that. Yeah, actually Beth Martins asked me about this when I went on her King Hero podcast and you know what? I can say is that anytime that you're working with various chemicals that are able to alter the endocrine system response of an individual or starting to eat foods That also alter endocrine response and make those foods popularized by You know fast food or other things like that

26:18 It doesn't have to be much of an agenda because people always do what is the easiest and most available to them so whether there is no gender or weather they're doing it through their own ignorance is really difficult to say but what i can say is that most men are very testosterone deficient these days we have a whole lot of what i would refer to as girly boys turn from arnold schwarzenegger. And we also have a whole lot of, women too that are very much so estrogen dominant and we also have some estrogen deficiencies. We have so many different types of things, you know? Of course the chemicals of atrazine that are really present anywhere where your downstream from commercial logging operations or even California Washington and Oregon are the highest in the United States for their atrazine use

27:12 and it follows agriculture and forestry basically, so that's why you see those three states having the highest levels of them. Dr Tyrone Hayes has actually shown very clinically that you can take with a very small amount of atrazine applied to frogs or most amphibians but he is working specifically with frogs You can take a biologically male frog, apply a small amount of atrazine to either food water or skin exposure and with enough prolonged exposure which isn't really that long what ends up happening is that biologically male frog becomes a biologically female frog that is actually then capable of being impregnated and laying its own eggs by another male frog.

27:54 And so atrazine, literally over three times the amount that's necessary in order to do that to a biological specimen of frog or other amphibians is legally allowed in the water supply. And so when you take a look at the west coast and you take a look at its transsexual orientation in modern day and things like that i think there's definitely some causation happening by that it's not just people feel free to express who they really are quote unquote is that they wouldn't even know who they really are in certain cases because their soul impacted by chemical influences and after seeing this really just one of those i've been collecting

28:33 peer-reviewed scientific documentation on a wide number of different endocrinological disruptors and anything that plays around with sex hormones or androgen in general is going to create gender confusion, gender dysmorphia somewhere along the line. Yeah i mean i know that's a topic in this alternative community that's talked about i think maybe too much but i was curious what you thought about it because, with the context of these other realms and the importance of the underlying structure it seems like many different ways. The argument is at the elites plan is to disrupts that order disrupt that structure and maybe not tower of babel kind of way of

29:18 Making a bridge or tower to the realms in which are not physical that were really not supposed to be meddling with and some what playing god. It's all kind of beyond me cuz i don't have a lot of sense of those extra rounds it's all kind of intellectual exercise for me but, does seem like the leader motivated by spiritual things because otherwise why wouldn't they just retire if they were truly atheists who thought this is all we get you would be like will bill gates should be Little st. James and he wouldn't you never hear from him again, he wouldn't address any crowds got billions of dollars in the bank So it does seem like there's some weird motivations that just aren't ever gonna make their way into the mainstream conversation well Let's talk about that actually because I'm far from understanding where other people are at especially what we would refer to as like the elites or people who are making large planetary decisions is

30:16 So you know i'm far from the finish line in understanding that but what i can say. Is this is that everybody has a volition of the soul and everybody has their own opinions of what is good and what is necessary and so on and so forth i tend to think and feel, once you really truly understand Esoteric principles in general you tend to be a little bit more cautious about what you're doing and try to make only an effect on your own life for the lives of those around you not necessarily meddling in planetary affairs because when you do that generates a fair bit of karma

30:57 You're making decisions that are going to impact lots and lots of individuals and the more that you understand about esotericism either from Tibetan buddhist path or you know within the western esoteric tradition which is largely derived from her medicine. Those are things that you want to try to minimize so that you can walk into your next incarnation with as much awareness as possible if your former intelligence in former incarnation. So it seems to be something that's done in vast ignorance and you know, there is a large conspiracy out there that the global elite are using alchemy and they're using magic very consciously and I would say no they're about like Aleister Crowley They know enough to be exceptionally dangerous And they're driven largely by their own egos They haven't done a lot of spiritual work which is to say discipline but they have done a lot of psychological work

31:47 And so they work in the realms of psychological manipulation. And, you know like I've done in a couple of IDF analyses with Sam Tripoli and with Lindsay Sharman from Rogue Ways and, you know Sam Tripoli of Tinfoil Hat what we have seen is that some of the beings that are being worked with by these individuals like Bill Gates for instance It may be entirely conscious or maybe entirely unconscious how they're doing it but when you making a pact with a certain entity, no one working with any sort of record you might serve the record but who does the record search.

32:26 And this is where you know reading mark stavish's book on every doors i think it was absolutely critical reading for every person in the modern age because they need to understand that its our records of the thoughts that we've created that we can empower two through our belief systems largely. That have ended up shaping our destiny here as mankind and realistically it doesn't matter whether bill gates or any of these other people are. Having an agenda what matters is that if you are tied into the thought structures of the agregate which is to say anything that you have ever seen has a symbol or image that has power inside your mind,

33:10 as an entity so like for instance you see the mcdonald's arches that is a negro door because it stands for something else just itself and image but it stands for something when we are giving and empowering. Those records with our money with our attention so on and so forth they really have a tendency to run away and develop an entity or volition all of their own And I think that's really what people need to understand is that all of us have probably heard, as you think so it becomes or mind over matter would be another way of talking about those things.

33:46 Until people are responsible enough to be able to control their thoughts and to be able to keep their thoughts focused very particularly on the things that they absolutely want to create and disentangle themselves from sticky entities like egregores by completely eliminating beliefs because beliefs are your enemy anybody who offers you a belief is your enemy or So being able to eliminate beliefs being able to use thoughts and not give our power to thoughts but be able to allow thoughts to actually serve us. Which is opposite than an egregore in an egregore you give your belief for your thought power your astral power, do that entity and then that entity ends up taking on a volition of its own so user of the record who does it actually serve

34:35 What other entities interdimensional beings are actually working with controlling that record behind the scene and so it really comes down to state of personal power. In the end where people need to reclaim their potency there certainty that confidence in their own thoughts and not really take things very personally, but just you know it's okay to just have a thought about something that can change based on further evidence buying into a belief immediately puts things into the hands of the record or an editor will run away with things so every commercial entity that legal term for

35:11 Has developed its own egregore and i think that's really important for people to understand they need to begin to disentangle from those things and tap back into what is actually real intangible here in the physical world. And disengage from giving their power to things in the astral dimension Good advice and let me ask you a little more about thoughts in the mental realm cuz last time we talked about the alchemy of the self that restart with. Calcination and burning away our excuses for things and then dissolution where the waters are, Emotion breakdown through salty tears and then we separate and filter and still our dreams even further obviously does the cliff notes but it was all quite eye opening let me ask you about. Aspects of the mind and thinking like memory retention or,

36:02 accessing the subconscious and unconscious mind because when i talk to guests who venture into the deeper parts of themselves they usually say that they don't use any notes for an interview like this they just trust the flow state, they can get out their own way. And even off-the-cuff they can tap into really eloquent explanations and even a sharper wit than someone who's overthought it all and many of us have heard things like our unconscious mind has all the answers similar to a quantum computer but we don't tap into it correctly what can be said about this sort of stuff? well see this is always been a large part of my path actually having been very very interested in psychic development work since about 2007 I was interested long before that but i got formal training starting 2007

36:53 And i think that you know using the capacity of your mind is so important and there are so many tools that people come up with by way of technology to make, the mine completely obsolete computers being one of those. So computers are great for so many things of course as we've seen but look at how far technology running ahead of the evolution of human race because were not developing our mind with our spirit spirit being disciplined At the same level at which the technology is able to be developed and so now we're running into the very same problem that inevitably every other culture will which is artificial intelligence.

37:33 Which is profoundly unethical if you haven't mastered your own intelligence and know how to use the entirety of your brain no how it's going to evolve you know absolutely nothing about how the evolution of artificial intelligence will involve on its own as well. And so it's much more important to develop a working mastery of internal mind in being able to, Tap into all of the different dimensional realities that the mind has the capacity to proceed before just simply. Will you go out and creating technologies are going to make that easier more accessible for lazy people for instance, you were talking about

38:15 You know just going right off the cuff with information that is really tapping into the astral so. For those out there who really need some grounding to help understand what the astral is actually best defined by a question, what happens to every thought and emotion when they're done being thought or felt? Welcome to the astral so it's a repository of every thought and emotion that exists and of every electro magnetic interaction that exists. Happening from a planetary level as well says the planets are moving we've all heard of the harmony of this fears is pythagorean concept

38:56 And so all of that, all of that information exists in the astral. At the higher ends of the astral it's the planetary movements and the electromagnetics and in the lower its where our thoughts exist and Paracelsus used to refer to the thoughts and emotions kind of existing in the lower realm of the astral that directly affects the physical plane he would refer to that is the Archaea and today most people would refer to that as the Etheric And so if people are not able to utilize their mind and develop the buoyancy of mind in order to visualize things that they want to create or not able to develop the buoyancy of mind, too. Envision sensationalize various things in your life then there's nothing even to the point where they have mastery over the very lowest aspect of the astral

39:49 And this is really where the practices of most forms of magic come in because magic is very not useful if you cannot sensationalize and visualize things very clearly. The second that you are able to do that through repeated discipline, it's just like going to the gym and working a muscle through repeated discipline, you begin to be able to sensationalize things and to be able to visualize things very clearly just as if you were doing it in the physical realm When you develop that buoyancy of mind now, you have access to that level of the astral You have access to the higher levels of the astral then too which would be visualizing understanding hearing sensationalizing perceiving the Harmony of the spheres so to speak or the planetary frequencies That were spoken about so long ago by a Pythagoras and his followers and followed down through the Platonic and Aristotelian tradition of the Greeks

40:45 And, you know the Chinese also have their own version of that and so do so many of the ancient great cultures. The Mayans of course, the Egyptians and so on and so forth they just have a slightly different cultural understanding of those planetary frequencies but they're all corroborating and saying exactly the same thing And then once you've been able to do that, then you take a look at people who are able to tap into the causal plane and understand cause and effect of actions by looking at the lower causal. If something happens now what is likely to happen down the line if that pattern of information is not disrupted or interrupted?

41:25 And then of course moving into oneness and unity vision basically, and being able to see how everything really does source from one. And what its points of differentiation are but what its thread of similarity is? Until somebody can really perceive all those different things through their mind alone they are going to be really stuck in the physical dimension They're going to end up being for lack of a better term always a muggle You won't be able to manifest things very clearly you'll develop thoughts that are often times wrong will give your power to belief systems instead of thoughts and instead of working things out rationally and so on and so forth because you just simply don't have.

42:08 The discipline or haven't cultivated the discipline to be able to operate in those higher more subtle dimensions and so everybody has the capacity to do this. It's just that it takes the volition where the will of individual in order to be able to do this and so yeah, practices like memory palace Where you hold a visualization is meditation that your inside of the palace and you take a memory consciously with all of the feelings all over the thoughts all of emotions, can u make it tangible in your meditation into something that you can go back to untouched so for me i like to store mine and little crystal balls.

42:47 And I store thousands and thousands of thousands, you know probably millions at this point of little crystal balls inside a large castle with many many rooms. Depending on which floor there's only four floors to this castle in my particular form i store everything in sort of a dimensional file folder is it spiritual experience because if so goes on the fourth floor? If not is it causal experience then he goes on third floor an astral experience on the second floor physical experience on first floor And i find a room that needs the necessity of the type of memory that it is within the physical and then we're in with an astral or whatever else and then i go and create little crystal ball to hold all of that information anytime i want to recall that information. I just simply visualize myself going into that room picking up the crystal reading it psychically but it could easily just be a visualization of a book or anything

43:44 But once you start working on those levels of mental buoyancy, what most people perceive as superhuman powers or powers that most humans don't have and you're just singularly gifted. It's actually able to be developed by absolutely anybody it just takes practice just like anything else can go into the gym and start bench pressing six plates on each side but But even six plates would be very intense for a bench press. But still, my point is you can't just go in there and start stacking up a ton of weight. You have to start slow and you have to start from where you're at in order to actually build the lean muscle that's going to continue to build strength. And the same is true with our psychic faculties or what are sometimes referred to as our mental faculties

44:29 Well that's a good break down and you make me realize just how lazy i have been but this is the hell of a segue but on the subject to brains are really neural networks, you have a recent blog titled agricultural concepts and tips written for newbie performing no till agriculture and some of the advice. This is things this audience would be familiar with, like don't follow the monocrop method. Use composting but I thought this was interesting Keep your fungal network intact by disrupting the soil as little as you need to This is the neural network of the soil and if you establish a strong fungal network then the fungi will actually distribute your nutrients for you

45:13 This makes it so you can be growing beans in one part of the garden and the nitrogen being fixed in the soil can travel over large distances to the tomatoes grown on the other end of the garden. And that's a big wow, man! I have listened to guys like Paul Stamets and Terrence McKenna enough to know that there is a real intelligence and importance to fungi and mushrooms but maybe you could elaborate on that importance? Sure yeah Fungi, they form these really awesome mycelial nets and those nets have thousands and thousands of branches that go all over underneath the soil. And they send not only electromagnetic information so like for instance if there's a tree that is a little bit drought stricken in a certain area of the yard just as long

46:07 Fungi is still intact underneath the soil what ends up happening? Is that the root hormones or the endocrine system basically of the tree ends up corresponding with The neural network of the fungi which will then go around to all of the rest of the plants that are connected and then all Of the rest of the plants will say you know what we all have a little bit of moisture that we can offer We've got a little bit of excess, and then they send it back to the tree. So So nutrients and moisture and other things can be sent through this neural network in addition to electromagnetic frequencies that connect everything underneath the soil. And so it's absolutely critical, in order to have healthy ecology or agriculture of any sort, to focus very heavily on developing and maintaining and creating a heavy structure for that fungi so that it can be created

46:59 I like to refer to it as the internet basically of the soil. It creates and interfaces and allows people or members of the garden, to be able to connect with one another in a way that is relevant and meaningful. And you know of course the internet itself is just an astral invention The concepts of telepathy are just equally as effective actually and even more so because you don't have to spend time physically programming in programs and doing all these things the mind is much more important than any sort of computer but.

47:36 Being able to have that kind of connection is really something that's very enriching as we're all seeing you know everybody here is connecting through the internet right now to these ideas and so The mycelium is basically just the network of doing that and there already isn't network above ground doing that as well That would be known as the breath. And this is why everything that breathes in is really important You know as we breathe out the trees and plants breathing so we exhale carbon dioxide they breathe in a carbon dioxide they breathe out the oxygen we breathe in the oxygen. And same thing with animals and everything else everything is connected realistically through its breath even though oxygen that is sucked out of water through the gills aquatic life, is indelibly intertwined to the air that is above the surface

48:26 as well that you know falls as a result of like friends and all the oxygen that gets into the ocean is really from the waves crashing capturing tiny amounts. Air inside these pockets of water is the crash begins to oxygenate water, add through rivers flowing you know you see water flowing over rocker down waterfall at the end of that there's tremendous amount of oxygen that is giving life too the rest of the water. And so, you know these networks are completely in place it's just that we need to tap into them and focus on tapping into them that's why you know like my own path of Celtic inspired Druidry calls so heavily to me because it's all about focusing on these inherent connections

49:13 Nature already has provided and learning how to with our intelligence interface with those connections so that we can understand perceive and work with the rest of nature and not be alien to it. Yes well said and i find the systems to be so interesting probably because they are so alien and foreign. And you mentioned your intrinsic data field work and i want bring this up cuz on the last episode we did i saw a comment thread where, i named tom was asking you more about the intrinsic data field work and you had replied that sort of relates to the stuff were talking about saying that

49:50 The German government used it for years in their forestry department before the current administration defunded the program. They were able to analyze and send frequency remedies to the forests, prevent arboreal diseases and learn about high risk areas in the forest without needing to send physical units on site for inspection. It saved tons of time and money but the new administration was all about producing more jobs And so they defunded the program, allowing them to contract Liberty Link pesticides in a government contract which gives them a ton of money and back end investment opportunities. Very corrupt abuse of government money for the profit of both agricultural corporations and governmental officials private investments. So yeah, the pesticide stuff we see those kind of deals getting made all the time and it really sucks but

50:42 i guess the important point to me is that this stuff that has been used before they can't claim ignorance because we have examples like you mentioned here the german government use this sort of, he's so terry technology yeah to shepherd the land i think thats really interesting. Yeah it is really interesting yet sounds like your talking about cordyceps tom That was a really awesome thing because so many people think when they hear about this IDF technology that it's like, oftentimes people will say who are you talking to? Who are you channeling with that instrument. It doesn't work like that actually. You can do the exact same thing through kinesiological interface but what you're doing is tapping into the quantum which is the spiritual unity field. This quantum field

51:33 or what we would refer to as intrinsic data field, or what Rupert Sheldrake would refer to as morphogenetic fields is all really the exact same thing that people have been using for centuries. When people communicate using telepathy they're not using a spiritual messenger to go and deliver the message They are connecting through the ethers basically through the energy network that already exists and their just simply tuning into the same frequency from their crown chakra So really, the techniques for this are not that difficult to develop. The reason that I am choosing to use an intrinsic data field analyzer like the SE5000 these days is because I need to be able to show instrumentation and train people in instrumentation so that in the physical we can actually begin to progress forwards with the way that we analyze and harness data. It's a great stepping stone and a great tool for that

52:31 But you can do this with dousing rods, you can do this with a pendulum. You can do this with God what the hell are the name of those machines that you squeeze it and it tells you how many pounds of pressure you have inside your grip strength? You could do that with tons of different types of things and perform kinesiology Anybody who wants to learn more about this should start off with books of Dr David Hawkins who created a book called Power vs Force And he has number of different ones power versus force I have the i like so many different books dr wayne dyer actually brought this work into the public by discussing his foundational work in a lot of his own works and when he got popularized.

53:15 Sometime in the 90s or something. That's how that information kind of came out and that's actually even how I became aware of dr David Hawkins work, but Kinesiology is a very reliable tool that many chiropractors and alternative wellness care practitioners Or even healthcare practitioners are able to be able to use in order to diagnose diseases And so many other things and find methods of treatment In fact, you know the very same technology that we're using right now as a stick pad with most radionics materials. Radiation is another term for the instrumentation that's necessary to interact with intrinsic data field. The stick pad actually goes back to african shamans where they would grab a block and polish it down and send it really finally to the point where they can rub their fingers on it was virtually no friction if they ask questions you could rub your fingers on in perpetuity, if u ask a question and answer yes your finger will stick

54:14 And if you ask a question the answer is no then your fingers will continue to rub in perpetuity because again zero is an infinity and that means no one ends the circuit. And that means yes because it's a segment has a beginning and end so, are you basically tapping into the causal plane to be able to find out answers of yes or no these african bushman shaman wood Take a sick patient for instance and stick an herb next to them, rub the block. If their finger doesn't stick with that herb then they would trade out another herb until it's stuck. That herb would be the thing that they ultimately administer to sick individual in order to cure the disease

54:55 And so our bodies in lately are already connecting on a muscular and beyond muscular level to what is already inherently true it's our minds and ego there usually getting away. End with intrinsic data field technology, We're basically using that same thing, the only difference is that we have numerical dials to be able to create some sort of amplitude calibration to understand more about the information than just yes or no. And in the future it's my hope The technology begins to be advanced so that we can move into more complex types of forming. So just like everything that you see on your computer right now is actually at its source, zeros and ones. So basically you look at the form of the program that you're looking at right now behind that it's short code behind that its binary

55:50 The very same thing is true with our physical reality. Physical reality is like the program that you see and interact with, but behind that is short code which is the astral or platonic functions and behind that is really the principle of the celestial salt and niter of the causal plane And if we can begin to interact like that then I think a lot of people will begin to see that we can evolve much greater and much more naturally than What was ever conceived before and for my part that's really the message that i want to drive home to individuals is you're not limited in your evolution. To the technologies that are created actually you are only limited by your own thought and your discipline the more disciplined and the more buoyancy of thought that you develop, the faster and the more merriam types of evolution you become capable of as an individual

56:43 How about it just need to learn the astral language and the information is right there and. Something i thought would just be great to close this out is this quote of yours that seems pretty useful dimension that if we're thinking big picture about all the stuff that you talk about you said, the problem with the world is not that we have bad people in charge but we have too many good people not doing the work I agree with that. I think conspiracy minded people can sometimes get caught in a victim mentality I can't get ahead because the goddamn Rockefellers or just a defeatist attitude this machine is so big You know, what the hell am I gonna do and I try to be clear that we can explore all sorts of things But if we end up having a more accurate understanding Of the world through our guests rather than by absorbing what the mainstream culture is fed We should be better prepared for success

1:05:04 You can put it in all caps or you can put it in low caps. There's no case sensitivity to it whatsoever Cool, cool I gotta figure out how to do that It's become a problem for me but alright man well awesome always a pleasure! I'm all jazzed up and motivated and I hope it lasts Keep fighting the good fight man until we meet again Excellent thank you Wow what can I say guys just wow I think Phoenix is a great guest. Again, I'm impressed with not only the range of his knowledge but also his orating skills very clear and very detailed responses But i'm still left cutting out so many questions due to time

1:05:48 even just going with the flow. I didn't expect this interview to be so sexual, but those ideas around why other beings might try to tap into our power of creation or other ways that power could be used...that stuff is provocative! Especially if you think the cabal of pedo cannibals is using sex magic in any way It's like, well if you think that has any sort of potency then we should probably try to understand what is under the hood there. What is the power of our various forms of energy? Don't we sort of need our people using all the tools we got on the positive side? Seems like sex magic has a lot of applications! Maybe try and envision a better world when ya bang... I don't know

1:06:39 So yeah, I made it weird but we rolled with it and got to some pretty interesting places. Not just sexual but creation abilities in general. It's more on the second hour but even something like creating a business or brand has a spiritual agregorial component and another thing to consider if you're launching something of your own which seems like the best and really only path forward And even though it's not talked about a whole, whole lot the best feedback I ever get is from people who were listeners throughout the whole GameStop phase of my life and got to watch me kind of quit in real time and be right there. See where the show was then versus where it is now

1:09:57 But I say this kind of thing a lot when it comes to supporting our guests, and today i would say definitely try and pick something up from Phoenix's apothecary with that higher side coupon code. Even if it's just to test the theory of Spagirix and say you gave it a shot... It's a rare enough discipline that just to say you had something that was broken down and refined in that way is pretty unique! I'm definitely gonna try some things out, see if i can't cure the old allergies. You can probably hear it in my voice but all this smoke and the air out here is actually getting to me! It's been rough the last few days after like a month of forgetting I ever had a problem so ebbs and flows strikes and gutters but Phoenix makes a lot of good points we have to be the example We have to look like we're keeping our wits about us at a time when many are not

1:10:53 We should be able to show that our knowledge and curiosity about the world, and the thoughtfulness we put into our actions in the work we've done on ourselves. It should all contribute to our success rather than contributing to our tailspin to rock bottom as is the way they try to always make us look And I wish everyone as much success as possible As long as they stay authentic and independent You really can't keep your authenticity when you sign some of the deals that I have seen proposed. Anyway, loved today's show! Big thanks to Phoenix and big thanks to you for listening. I hope long-term listeners feel as if THC has contributed to their preparedness for these wild times or their overall knowledge that they draw from

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