Paul Hellyer | The Money Mafia, Secret Alien Alliances, & You

00:04 On the higher side chats, we explore the world's deepest conspiracies its mysteries and the all-around fringe on a quest that can't be sponsored by anyone but loyal listeners looking to take that ride. So if you enjoy the first hour of the show, courtesy of those subscribers we hope that you'll consider becoming one for just $5 a month and get a second hour each THC episode where we pack in twice as much interesting content with all our great guests. Just sign up on our members website at TheHigherSideChatsPlus.com and you'll have instant access to ALL the extended content since Plus began! An opportunity to make topics & guest suggestions

00:41 and your own custom RSS feed where you'll hear the full two-hour show in one convenient uninterrupted file. And most importantly, you won't hear this repetitive reminder at the start of every show that listener supported communities are the future of media and entertainment... ...and you want to be part of that future don't you? You have one new message. Hey Greg, just calling back. This is uh well I've written out here my name because i'm in politics you know but if you remember me we were at the little Illuminati ritual a few nights ago and wanted to talk to you about it...I've been having some weird feelings inside

01:31 I just kind of wanted to talk to you about them because, being a bloodline Freemason, I don't know how to moonwalk. I do not know how to go backwards so maybe we could meet up and drink some dog blood or something? Anyway if you would please call me back. I'd really like to get in touch with you. In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood And these are The Hireside Chats

02:29 Here we go, Irish Side Chatters drinking that drink and smoking that smoke trying to enjoy just a small sense of freedom in the cabal's big cage of control. From cell block San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and i think a lot of the things were going to talk about today will be familiar to conspiracy enthusiasts but sometimes we have to take a step back and remember just how far off the mainstream is and just how important certain voices can be for influencing that And thats why asked today guests to be here and also because he was a guest request from my dear old pops You gotta honor that, there'd be no show without him so what are you gonna do? But we have spent a lot of time examining the evidence for alien life and covert partnerships between our world leaders in some of these non-human races. And even more time trying to highlight the fact that a small group of string pullers atop the power pyramid are responsible for shaping the world as they see fit. Pitting nations against each other withholding vital technology and facilitating the deaths of millions for their own greed.

03:26 And these are views that are gaining more steam every day, but if you ask me they're not moving fast enough. And if you know skeptics in your own life or family who may be resistant or slow to arrive at some of these conclusions maybe hearing these things from someone with a background like today's guest will be something to move their needle further into the fringe with us. Sometimes someone with a more official mouthpiece is what's needed His name is Paul Hellyer and he was Canada's youngest member of parliament when he was first elected in 1949, and eight years later became the youngest cabinet minister appointed as Minister of Defense. He has also authored a dozen books. His newest one is called The Money Mafia, and most importantly on a planet of 7 billion people, he was the first person of cabinet rank in a G8 nation to go on record stating that extraterrestrials and UFOs are very real!

04:15 You gotta give a man props for that. I'm very happy to have him here, 91 years young Paul my man welcome to THC It's a pleasure to be here. What is the serious honor for me, Paul? Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. The ET situation and the New World Order are probably the two biggest conspiracies out there and it's very refreshing to hear someone who has been involved in government at such a high level come to these same conclusions. And you get started here I kind of gave the cliff notes to your story but you've had an interesting life and several accomplishments that I glossed over in the intro would you mind giving people little more education on your background and story

04:51 I spent most of my life in and out of politics, and the reason i actually went into the first place was because im a child of depression. The great depression And i saw poverty at its rawest level And so, after spending a couple of years in the armed forces I went to university and studied economics. And I asked my professors if recessions and depressions were essential? They couldn't give me an honest answer. What they said in effect is well we always have them therefore they're part of the system but they couldn't tell me why there were part of this system because it didn't make any sense to me

05:34 So finally I figured out they were not in fact essential and that they were really a result from the banking system that had been in place for a long time. And that whole situation was subject to solution if you changed the system So, in 1949 the gentleman or they would call themselves economists, regular economists were saying that there was going to be a depression underlying D in 1950. And I said to myself well this isn't necessary so and I know what has to be done about it so I'm gonna have to run for Parliament see if I can do something. So I graduated from university in May and was elected to the House of Commons in June

06:24 And then of course you learn the first lesson that just because you have your picture in the front page of the second section of Toronto Star, the big circulation newspaper in Canada doesn't mean that you have any influence when you get to Ottawa. You're just another MP But this is the interesting thing The Depression didn't happen because of the Korean War The Korean War came along and all these people running the world and pulling the strings will start manufacturing money in order to win a war when they won't manufacture the same amount of money to win the peace. It's a loaded system, it always has been for hundreds of years. And so of course with the money that was injected into this system as a result of the Korean

07:14 We had about 15 or 20 years of what I call the golden years. But the problem hasn't gone away because we had a really good system here in Canada from 1939 to 1974 where the money creation function was shared between the government of Canada and private banks But in 1974, the Bank of Canada unilaterally changed this and called it conspiracy. Call it what you like. It's a fact that they started taking their orders from the Bank of International Settlements in Zurich, Switzerland. And one of the things that they were told to do by the BIS as we call it was to stop providing governments with zero-cost money or low cost money

08:06 So the Bank of Canada went along with that. It's been downhill for Canada ever since. And we've accumulated enough debt that during the period from when they changed the system in 1974-75 to 2010-11, we Canadians paid 1 trillion 100 billion interest on accumulated debt from those recessions of 81-82 and 90-91 that the central banks of the world brought on and none of this was necessary And if you multiply that by 12 or 13 for the American situation, you get an idea of the kind of money that we're really talking about. Of the issues in the world, the most urgent is solving this monetary crisis because we have a situation where a handful of people who are at the apex of what I call the cabal have a monopoly on creating money and consequently they have the power to make or break countries

09:10 and to make or break politicians, and it's just far too much power. But the most important thing is that they use this monopoly to create not money but credit which has to be repaid with interest. And consequently the whole system now is run on debt. It's debt which has to be repaid with interest and there's no way that can be done because nobody creates any money to pay the interest. We have a hopeless situation And we're now what in our overseas 2008, 9, 10 11 12. But seventh year of recession and no way of getting out of it except through government created money and it's so simple that a twelve-year old could figure it out but here we have the greatest brains of the world ignoring the problem and saying well The young people today can't have as good as their parents or grandparents

10:12 and this high unemployment is a natural, cyclical thing and there's nothing you can do about it. Well that is all BS! It is just propaganda made to get people to accept the bad situation and not doing anything about it so this is the reason why the book is called The Money Mafia and the reason I use that word we're having an investigation in Montreal about the alleged take of the Sicilian Mafia there, of about 2.5% off the top of all those city contracts and it's still ongoing? Well, the banking system outdoes them so much that makes them look like pikers! The banking system takes 95% off the top, 95% off the top literally

11:09 And so they can invest $5 million in their bank. They can then leverage it, as they call it, leverage it up by 20 times and they could make a hundred million dollars of loans based on that five million and the loans could be made to governments or business or private individuals for mortgages or whatever. All of that money, the 100 million has to be repaid in what I call blood sweat tears money What's the address right that's one of the real scams is what is the interest come from the individuals can't print money only the banks can so. Nobody else wanted for the address or what they have to do is keep inflating this system pretty more money putting people further into debt in order to pay the interest on the deck with a radio,

11:59 And it's a hopeless situation that has to be changed. And of course, that is one of the principal thesis of the book is we have to do that or we're going to be damned with this situation in Europe today where Europe is, you know the 25% unemployment rates and uprisings real or potential in Greece and two or three other southern countries. I guess Spain and maybe Italy? And nobody's doing anything about it they're just sitting there saying well You know maybe it will all work out in the end Well The answer is that won't all work out in the end

12:41 Because it's a hopeless situation and scott to change we have this organization called the g twenty which was put together a few years ago to sort of regulate the world in make, so much to the same drummer i spent the first three or four years trying to patch up this lousy banking system. And of course they didn't patch it up, they made it safer for the banks but it didn't do anything for the people. On the contrary we're worse off now in many ways than we were then. The government's greater debt to the US government has to keep... Congress has to keep increasing its debt limit individual debt in Canada is at an all-time high and so on and so the system

13:31 There's nothing but one great big Ponzi scheme and we have to start out by solving that one. The solution is very easy, very simple and I've got it all spelled out not for the first time again in the Money Mafia and i just hope a lot of people will read this take the kind of action we can talk about later to reverse the course of history and get the president to start doing things that have to be done, and that would include getting rid of the Fed. There will be no peace on Earth and justice on Earth as long as the Fed exists because it's owned by bankers not by the people, notwithstanding the eye-sounding title its got. And they're going to have to set up a

14:23 a publicly owned bank of the United States. In the meantime, you have this anomaly that the president can mint platinum coins, I think it is. He could start out with a couple of trillion dollar platinum coins and share them with the states to get the economy up and rolling and stop the austerity and start offering some hope to young people in paying decent wages to the large number of people who are working at substandard wages who can't really make ends meet. So that's sort of the end of my little sermon It's not really the end, it's just the beginning but it will do for the moment.

15:11 So tough to do but yet to hear that in 1974 you actually had a public bank in Canada That's very awesome, and it's inspiring here because it lets us know that You know the tide can be turned Can you elaborate at all for people who might be so foreign to this how? It might have affected the life of the average Canadian as opposed to Obviously the debt-based banking system they use now? Oh absolutely. In 1938 in Canada, and I remember it well when there were no jobs period no jobs 1939 the war comes along and first thing you know everybody is either in the armed forces or working we reduced unemployment from a high of the depression down to a historical 1%.

16:02 And I'm not recommending that low now because that would probably be inflationary and it's not necessary when you have people changing jobs and so on. But, I would say half what unemployment rates are worldwide and more than that in Europe where they have 25% unemployment rates but we achieved this great low and you might say well where did the Canadian government get the money? to do this? The answer is the Bank of Canada printed it, P-R-I-N-T-E-D. And the government would hand the Bank of Canada a bond and the Bank of Canada would print the value of the bond and put the money in the government's bank account that was then spent into circulation to pay members of the armed forces I will remember

16:54 When I was first inducted, being paid in cash lining up for the Sergeant Major to roll off a few dollar bills that we got at the end of the week. And there was much more of a cash economy at that time than there is now. Well, that money that was spent by the government to pay the soldiers and build factories and manufacture munitions and do all things necessary, in the course of war Canada became a principal player We had, I think it was the fourth largest Navy in the world whereas before we had nothing. And we have the Commonwealth Air Training Plan here. We were training pilots for Britain and other commonwealth countries and for Norway making a tremendous contribution. The money went into private banks that the government spent for this where it became what economists called high-powered money

17:52 Well, then the private banks used that high-powered money to leverage it up. And at that time they were allowed to lend 12 and a half times their cash reserves so they could help finance building factories and so on. We had a system where this obviously money creation was shared between the government of Canada and the private banks. That got us out of the Depression help finance the war, And then after the war, help finance the great post-war times and the infrastructure including the TransCanada Highway. The Great St Lawrence Seaway which we share with United States and the new terminal buildings at our airports and also to help pay for the foundation of our social security system which was considered one of the best in the world when all of a sudden

18:51 The money mafia somehow gets through to the governor of the Bank of Canada and got him to adopt what they called monetarism, as the ideas of Milton Friedman and his colleagues at the University of Chicago. And A, start treating inflation by monetary means alone which was a dreadful mistake and was responsible for a lot of debt that has been accumulated in the world since. to stop creating any money, low cost zero-cost money for governments which they had been doing during the war. As I said it's been downhill ever since and United States accumulated this huge debt which was all money created out of thin air. This myth of what money is

19:39 Is something that people don't understand they don't understand that there's no real money theirs just bank accounts. These bank accounts were created by the private banks and we call it money because we allow people to pay their debts with banks checks rather than insisting on having cash, which of course is far more cumbersome and we wouldn't want to go back to that. But it worked so well that in 1974-75 we had practically no debt in Canada and was only when they changed the system and in effect adopted the one you have that we started going deeply into debt and resulted in having to pay all this interest and were still paying it

20:25 And too much of our tax money is being siphoned off for that, which is the reason that we don't have enough to fix water mains that are 100 years old and need to be replaced and replace bridges. And build new rapid transit systems which are just desperately needed in a city like Toronto where I live And all of these things are waiting to be done and there's no money for it unless you borrow it. Which in the old days we didn't have to do, at least we didn't have to pay interest on

21:05 But now we have to pay interest simply because a few of the top bankers in the world are pulling the strings and setting the rules, and the G20 has gone along and sort of said yes you guys know what you're doing. At least that's the implication. And will follow your rules and let you lend 20 times your capital which is rip off The worst possible order it's it's grand larceny. I mean, you know if you There's an old saying if you're if you have a gun, you can rob a bank. If you have a bank You can rob all the people Hey Yeah I like that and it can be quite the revelation for someone when they first learn about the major scams of fraction reserve banking And how many of our problems would start to self-correct? if we would just stop honoring the agreements with these bankers that a lot of times they've slid in under the radar to begin with but

22:00 But you know, you also referenced the cabal as the string pullers running the show. Of course, the banking cartels are a part of that but what other sectors and groups do you consider powerful enough to be lumped in to make up the cabal as you see it? Yes, it's sort of an amorphous group It is And its bit hard to define because it has been changing over the years but way I see it The international banking cartel is at the top They're the apex. They manufacture the money and so as a result they have the most control Next to them would be the oil cartel, and they're the ones that keep us burning oil in our cars and planes and ships and so on when we should be using exotic energies that have been developed but are kept secret deliberately by the Cabal because

22:54 They don't care about the future of the world, they just care about making money from cashing in their oil chips. And then the next thing on the run would be the CEOs of big multinational corporations around the world and they have so much power now it's just incredible and these new trade agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership which incidentally is misnamed as not a partnership but is a powergram and in Canada the Canada-European trade agreement that's proposed and been signed, just waiting to be ratified is in effect in my opinion a power grab which has high treason because it involves the banking system. And under those treaties there is what they call settlement mechanism where if any country changes the rules which affect

23:51 potential profitability, real or potential profitability of foreign investors. They can be sued! So what we're proposing to do is to set up a system where if we were to go back to the kind of system I just described that worked perfectly for Canada from 39-74 If you were to do that again which is the only thing that makes sense slight variation on the theme but The principle is exactly the same. If we signed the treaty and ratified it, and then tried to do that European banks could sue us for hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars. Oh wow! Which means that it'll never be done. That we'd just be caught in this quicksand and never be able to get out of it. Oh man...

24:37 So this is how important these treaties are, and this Trans-Pacific Partnership has been negotiated in absolute secrecy that people have no idea what's going on. And some of the ramifications are really I was going to say deadly, and that's a good word for it. Certainly is the death of democracy because the people lose all their power. It's transferred to transnational corporations and also some things that they would be required to make available, some of Monsanto's magic formulas for ending any choice whatsoever in foods and using seeds that aren't manufactured in general and genetically modified by them. All these things being forced on the throats of countries all over the world under the guise

25:33 agreements. And it's just a terrible, terrible tragedy and so if the president could do one additional thing in the next few months of his term before he comes to the end of it It would be to kill the Trans-Pacific Partnership before gets off the ground He has fast track now What I'm suggesting is that it'd be fast tracked into oblivion And get rid of it and restore a little democracy to the world system. Yeah, that would be a great idea! It would help so many people but do you think Obama means well or do you think that he wouldn't be in the position that he was in if wasn't already shaking hands and making deals with this cabal? Well I think its is a very subtle thing...I think he started out by thinking he was going to be reformer That was before he found out about the power of the cabal

26:30 really run things and he's become a victim of it actually just before he was sworn in as president, I saw a picture of his economic advisors and they were the same old gang who had been there when when the Bush recession came along. And so they just revolving doors between the banks and the Treasury Department, and two political parties, and the International Monetary Fund, and The World Bank. They just go round around this... It's all part of the cabal, it's all part of the monetary cartel. These guys didn't matter to them very much who won

27:16 because they just go from party to party and get their big salaries and comfy pensions regardless of who's on base. Now, what I'm really suggesting is that somehow if President Obama loved him or hated him could be persuaded that he could make a name for himself, a real legacy for himself by in concert with the few people from each party a few good people from each party of reversing nearly all of the policies adopted in the last 50 years. Now that's a big, big deal but it has to start because if it is ever going to finish it has to be started there's got to be a first move and so what I'm really proposing in the book is a list of things that have to be done

28:14 and saying the time has come when we have to get at it. And now, because we're playing with fire... Oh I didn't even finish with the cabal! It got down as far as the multinational corporations well then the next level tremendously important are the intelligence agencies. Mostly United States, but with a little cooperation from a couple of others in other parts of the world But the CIA is involved and the FBI... The CIA is sort of kingpin major Domo on starting wars for the benefit of the military-industrial complex And then the FBI into its ears I guess now and NSA

29:02 keeping track of everybody in the world, so when the New World Order is established they'll know who's on first and who isn't. They can just divide the people that are their friends from others and proceed. And then final thing is a huge slice of US military. This is the Cabal. It's a huge very powerful organization and the only hope is numbers. And I point out to my friends, the banking cartel has the money but people have a number if they would just get together and use them in non-partisan way to say enough is enough already! We want this system reversed because we don't want third world war which is the direction that we're headed at present time

30:00 which could mean, could result in the end of the human species actually with the kinds of weapons that exist at the present time. We want the opposite we want a world where there's justice and where every child every color and religion has enough food to eat and clean water to drink and shirt on his or her back little basic education, a little basic health care so that they can determine their potential and how they can contribute to a better world. That's the kind of world we want is one of peace and cooperation not the same old business of who can build a bigger empire? And who is going to take control of us and tell us what to do and treat us as slave labor to

30:50 to make things comfy for them. Yeah, it seems so simple everybody wants the same thing but nobody seems to be able to get it because of this cabal and I also mentioned in the introduction for you that you were the first person of cabinet rank in a G8 nation to go on record stating that extraterrestrials and UFOs are very real and that is super refreshing! I gotta thank you for that And we're talking about the New World Order, but the extraterrestrial presence is another facet of this and it's you know some people might think it's a completely separate topic But there's quite a bit of overlap wouldn't you say between? The extraterrestrial cover-up and what the New World Order is doing very much. So yes very much so and I

31:34 As you know, I was one of the people who spoke at the citizens disclosure hearing in Washington May 2013. And the level of naivety It's just incredible. And this, how the Cabal could manage to keep the secret of what is going on to the extent that they have for so long is just absolutely amazing The real problem is that we don't have a free press We have a controlled press and consequently because if there was a free press Some of these things would be out in the open in a matter of weeks or months. All they need is a couple of good investigative reporters to find out, not the whole scene of course but enough of it to raise the public ire and demand for disclosure on what has gone on over the last 68 years and what's still going on and what is planned? What's next on the schedule?"

32:37 So, the interlocking is very difficult to talk about when they keep the whole thing secret. But let's go back a little bit... The Germans in the 1930s were working with a species of extraterrestrials and it was just I guess our good fortune that they didn't get the technology totally developed that was under discussion and development at the time before we did. But then they were experimenting with flying saucers and other things, so after the war the United States military brought quite a few hundreds of Nazi scientists to the United States under what they called Operation Paperclip

33:36 And this is, you can Google this and find out about it. So as this much it's not secret except nobody talks about it. Harry Truman said that they couldn't bring anybody who had had Nazi ties in any way that have the Nazi background but knowing the military they didn't pay attention to the commander-in-chief And so they did it anyway. They had some pretty high-ranking Nazis brought into the country and they changed their names naturally, and they changed their documents gave them false identities So that could then put them into important positions in civil military governments of United States sides of the United States

34:28 And they were working with this one species and it seems that the relationship either continued throughout or was re-established after the crashes of Roswell in 1947. And that they have been working with one or more species ever since, including the one that the Germans had been working with during the 1930s. And allegedly, there were agreements made whether you call them contracts or treaties or just what you would call them but agreements made as to what these foreign entities could do

35:12 in exchange for technology. These are the kinds of things that should be made available to the public, the public should be let in on the secret or where the agreements kept or were they broken? What were in them and what were the conditions of the agreements and to what extent? Of course was a technology transferred because it appears to anyone that's even remotely aware of what is going on, that there has been fantastic progress. Just mind-blowing progress in 68 years

35:51 from, you know the... I wouldn't say backward but the kind of society and the technology that we knew. I knew as a youngster in the 30s and 40s And then what i believe to be true now which is just light years different really! And I mean light years as far as technological progress is concerned because the aliens as they call them I think the official designation of the US government was EVs, extraterrestrial biological entities. As they admitted light years ahead as far as technology is concerned and we have adopted quite a bit of this into our daily living but it's military side that I think would be interesting to know all of things that were partially developed

36:50 developed more as a result of their technology or the new things and there were quite a few Colonel Philip Korsho in his book has a list there of things that he was involved in, you know really very interesting. And play an important part in our lives today I have a little lead pen light for example that I carry around my pocket most useful I can add up the bills when I'm out for dinner, make sure that I don't get cheated or cheat either way. And my late wife used to complain until I found that... That I had been undercharged by a bottle of wine one night which I insisted on paying for and then she thought it was alright after that. And there are lot of things that were introduced into our society

37:38 as a result of this technology and that is one of the principal reasons I would say that we have made such absolutely incredible progress. right across the board, both what we know and what we don't know in the last five or six decades. But I guess coming back to the subject where do the relations stand at the present time? Who is the cabal working with and is the cabal engaged in any way in undertaking projects on behalf of one or more of the species And if so, what is the aim of the game? These are the things that we have to know and we have to know right away.

38:29 And the one we hear about the most is, and I guess it's just because of the little evidence that we have. It seems to be... The case can be made that yes, the Germans were working with ETs before World War II Maybe now the US military industrial complex is working with a similar race with a similar agenda But do we hear about other major governments like Russia or China working with their own ET races? We don't hear about it. We speculate about it, I guess some researchers have thought that but it seems like such a big secret to keep Absolutely and everybody's got to come clean but the United States has been the principal reason there has been secrecy in this area certainly they have influenced most western countries to maintain silence

39:21 Although I heard recently that when Winston Churchill became aware, that he insisted on a 50-year ban of secrecy. But that 50 years is up now so there's no reason why that would still apply and it seems to me they've all got to come clean. What we're really talking about is a world paradigm shift We're so used to having one empire after another. And you know, whether it was the Greek Empire or the Roman Empire or British Empire or an American Empire... empires are out of date! Right You can't impose that kind of power over other people on a wide scale anymore without getting into the kind of military conflict

40:19 that threatens the future of the human species. And so at long last we're face to face with the fact that we have to change our whole method of doing things, our whole modus operandi and start collaborating and cooperating for a better world rather than trying to dominate because domination is ultimately going to lead to conflict which could lead to anything including annihilation And it's just about that simple. Since you were in the Canadian cabinet, I'm curious just how much briefing you think a new president or prime minister gets about the alien presence? Or has this E-T partnership now gone dark beyond the level of the presidency? I think... The answer is they get very very little. The people in the cabal none of whom are politicians in the active sense

41:20 They're politicians in the true sense of making things happen and so on, but they're not elected. They are not accountable and consequently they don't trust politicians to keep their mouths shut. And so that's one of the reasons I guess that so little information is passed on to even the commander-in-chief I've seen one alleged briefing, and I don't know whether it's true or not. But...I've also heard of other briefings where the president has been given sort of a rough overview of what has been going on with appropriate information of sort of macro kind you know but very little detail in very little detail about what the black ops have been doing

42:22 We have a Canadian who is an expert on this, Grant Cameron from I think it's Calgary. And he has written the book on what presidents knew and it makes quite a difference between whether you're Republican president or Democratic president how much information you are given. George Bush senior because of his association with the CIA would have been the most knowledgeable most of them just given a sort of preemptory idea what's going on. And as far as Canada is concerned, I don't know if the Prime Minister would be given any information at all or not. It's hard to say. If so it would be very sparse and... ...I know from my own experiences as head of the Department of National Defense for six years that I got citing reports

43:24 But no meat. No one ever said, well you know we've direct contact with two species or something like this which I now know is probably the case but that information was never handed on to me as a politician and it's partly because we don't have enough information to know what questions should be asking So I have some sympathy for the politicians, but at the same time there is so much information in the public domain. All of the information in my book about 95% of which would be news to the average reader is in the public domain it's not from secret documents It's all out there just need somebody to go and do a little digging

44:11 And that of course is the reason we're so concerned about the control press, because they are the ones who should be doing the digging on behalf of people. Instead they are doing covering up on behalf of a cartel that controls them Well said man, I totally agree. They're all about nonsense tabloid news and avoiding any real truth-seeking now in the mainstream media And as far as disclosure is concerned for so long the UFO community would answer the question of why there's such a cover up by saying that the governments of the world didn't want to cause a panic I always thought that was a phoned in answer that didn't really make sense because with all the death and destruction the cabal creates, I doubt they care about the mental state of their citizens. I think it's more about knowledge is power and there is no reason to empower people with things they aren't rioting over.

45:02 Which gets into the exotic energies that you mentioned earlier and also wrote quite a bit about. These empowering free energy devices, some researchers claim we already have them but it's tough to know if they're just guessing or being hopeful and this is one of the reasons I have a guest like yourself on who can be taken more seriously than some of the heavy speculators And i know your going to give it straight so I gotta know man Have you had information in this realm disclosed to you in a more reliable way? Can you confirm for us, in any way that these exotic free energy technologies could really be rolled out. Do we know for sure they're being suppressed?" That's a difficult question to answer. I have talked to quite a few people who have personal information developments that have been trashed by someone whether it is the FBI or whom I don't know

45:54 who claim that they have seen workable models, that they have known people who are ready to go into production and the next thing you know they've committed suicide or their lab has been wrecked. And there's no doubt about as far as existence of free energy is concerned. There is one example in the literature of the ET phenomena And that goes back to the alleged exchange of US astronauts going back to President Kennedy's day and the trip to Serpo. Allegedly, I think it was 12 or 13 US astronauts, 12 perhaps went on an exchange visit. There was a... why? I don't know just one ET kept here

46:58 The reports which are now available on the internet and one has to judge their authenticity but I think most of us have come to conclusion that they are authentic. One of the early reports was that when they got there, they had little boxes, little square boxes of energy and all you had to do is just plug into them. And this was years ago And this corresponds with what has been written elsewhere. Dr Michael Wolff, who had a very high classification in the US in a radio interview years ago, about 15 years ago or something like that said that the United States allegedly with assistance or cooperation

47:56 of the 80s had developed both cold fusion and zero point energy, which is just what I was talking about a minute ago. And this was back in the 60's, something like that, a long time ago but it is being withheld because it does various things first of all it gives people independence if you have one of these little boxes in your basement providing all the power for your house you don't have to worry about ice storms and power lines going down. And you don't have to worry about paying a hydro bill, every electricity bill every month or whatever it is so it gives people power individual power which isn't the antithesis of course with the idea centralized power and so I think there's some people that think well hey we want these people in position where they can more or less thumb their noses at us

48:58 Well, then the other thing of course is the caching in of oil chips. I'm personally positive that there are many secret patents on these subjects and that all of the technology exists to save the world from overheating and in my book I recommend we change the power source in every car truck a tractor, airplane ship and home in seven years. And I know that people sort of look at me when I say that but I said that is first of all about the timetable that I believe is realistic When I wrote my second last book called Light At The End Of The Tunnel Survival Plan For The Human Species which is still quite popular actually I said we had 10 years but that was written three or four year ago

49:58 And now I'm saying we have seven years to ensure that the planet doesn't overheat. It is possible to do it, and the way would be exactly the opposite of what we did in World War II which I remember very well. We took all of the automobile factories and the stove factories and refrigerator factories and converted them all into munitions And by doing that, that massive effort we produced the armaments and so on that were necessary to win the war. Well now we should do just the opposite if you're going to go with a kind of world we must go through, we don't need the armaments but we need clean energy and so one of the recommendations I'm making is that the president use a presidential order

50:50 to put the clean energy patents in the public domain. And incidentally, I think it's something that if there are any royalties at all they should be very small so that they can be used by people all over the world It would be a tremendous opportunity. First of all, it would create billions of jobs and it would revolutionize the distribution of income to a considerable extent that makes it easier for people who are on the outbound to have a fair decent chance at things so it could be done if we just said okay the world is going to change

51:32 For the next seven years we're going to convert all these plants, or most of them anyway, to providing clean energy boxes that fit neatly into your house or your car or your truck or tractor ship or whatever. And the opposition is largely from the cabal both from the oil cartel which has been spending hundreds of millions of dollars in disinformation. quite a few of these broadcasts in the States. Usually I get up, a few letters saying, you're agreed with everything you said except this business of global warming and that's just a ruse. Well it is not because the science is absolutely clear that temperatures are going up and either we're gonna stop it or we're going to allow it to continue

52:26 for another 20 or 30 or 40 years until it's too late. And then we really have got a problem because if we think these crazy weather patterns that were seen today are the end, I guess you can say that they're just the beginning and if we don't know what happened then it would have a disruption worldwide which would mean mass migrations and all sorts of problems that we had best avoid Yeah, well said. I mean, I wouldn't ever deny that the climate is changing and I just tend to think the Earth is going to go through these cycles regardless of what humans do or how we feel about it but we should minimize the impact we have regardless and do things as cleanly as we can for everybody's sake there's no reason not too And it would be great if people rose up and demanded it But first we gotta convince people that these technologies even exist

53:20 It's a bit funny because throughout your lifetime you've gone from dialing a crank on the wall to modern smartphones with GPS and internet in your pocket, from black-and-white tube TVs to amazing HD flat screens and again a smartphone with that screen in your pocket. But we have not seen the same advances in energy at all! We're still using oil and coal AA batteries, and it seems to fit the agenda to me because if the cabal wants us in debt and under control it's done through resources and energy obviously. And your electric bill is something you can never really pay off! There will always be more due next month, your batteries will always die, the light bulb will burn out

53:59 And it's always going to get more expensive. But I wanted to hop back a bit because you mentioned Project Serpo, which is a really wild saga and then of course everyone knows about Roswell but then you have the story in the book about a fleet of 50 UFOs in formation that flew from Russia across Europe and that's one that I don't hear talked about very often adds some interesting details Can you tell the people about that? What happened there. I know this is not talked about very often, but in the 1960s were 50 UFO's that came south across Europe from the direction of Russia

54:37 and the commander-in-chief of the Allied forces in Europe, SACEUR we call them, Supreme Allied Commander Europe was so concerned I think they were almost ready to press the panic button. When all of a sudden without warning the 50 turned around in formation and flew back towards the North Pole So they knew...and I'm sure you can imagine the relief cant'you? If your sitting there in charge of the atomic response and all that sort of thing when realized that it was not an attack from Russia and that you could relax and get on with some other things. Well, the other things included launching a study which they did I think it took three years to complete And it showed or proved conclusively that there had been at least four species visiting Earth for thousands of years

55:37 This is sort of a foundation, I think for people to comprehend because there are references in the Bible for example which once you understand UFOs and flying machines and all this sort of thing and possibility of extraterrestrial visitors make a lot more sense to you than they do before you understand those things. Wow, yeah the fact that four different types of non-human entities have been interacting with humans for thousands of years. I mean that's a bombshell! And who knows where they're really from or how comfortable they are here on Earth, but I love that story you told and I find it interesting that they broke towards the North Pole. Because we have on all types of guests and explore a lot of strange ideas but there's a lot of people thinking these beings might have pretty serious footholds at the North and South Pole because we go there so little maybe just because of harsh environment or maybe a little more by design some researchers even talked about

56:39 massive holes at the poles where they might even be coming from somewhere inside the earth. Far out stuff, but those areas are of huge interest to me. Has anything else like this regarding either of the North or South Poles come up in your investigations at all? Nothing on the North Pole and my book I refer to a German base that was built on the Antarctic This was years ago during World War II, probably built before World War II started. And there were ships operating from there and one of the questions I asked is does that still exist?

57:21 Is it still there? And if so, who's in charge and bring us up to date. Yeah it would be amazing to get that information and you mentioned four species perhaps and of course we hear all kinds of numbers but the four species I guess the ones I hear about most often would be the grays tall whites reptilians and insectoids are those kind of the four that you hear about the most also There are many, many more now. The numbers are very high. They kept going up and up I remember having dinner with Edgar Mitchell the Apollo astronaut who came to our place when he was in Toronto making a dress and he wanted to meet me so we had dinner at our place it was rather fun evening

58:11 And he was from Roswell. At one point, he said about the alleged crash at Roswell and I said oh come on Edgar why do you use the word alleged? Of course his face went red because he knew that he would just say something that was nonsense and right after that he said well how many species do you think there are question to me and I said somewhere between two and twelve and he said yes that's what i think too Well, that was let's see I think eight years ago. Since then the numbers have just been going up and I have seen numbers that I wouldn't even use on here because if you go far enough out into the universe the numbers become astronomical. Right You know I saw a number awhile long time ago of 26 different species that had been identified and then I saw a number that was greater than

59:12 So, there are a lot of them. And as earthlings I think we don't necessarily have the same agendas which is the reason why I'm very anxious to have full disclosure so that we know who they are and as much about them as we have on record because most of the ufologists that I know think that they're for the most part benign And there's a lot of talk about them wanting to help us and to do things for us. Certainly, we could use their help in some areas other than the military and those other areas in my opinion would be agriculture and medicine for example where they're again just along way ahead of us but yeah there are many species and most of them are benign

1:00:12 But allegedly, and this always comes up in the presidential briefing they say that there's one that isn't or may not be. Well I've never said publicly who that one was and one has to guess or look at the literature see if you can figure it out but I guess...I'd like to see some kind of connection between the earth and the benign groups who want to help us work with us And then sort of put that in perspective with the possibility that there are one or two that are working on projects that are not in our best interest.

1:00:55 Paul, this has been super fascinating. We've been all over the map covered a lot of angles I really respect your decision to pursue these avenues and speak out both about the money mafia and alien disclosure Not something many people are willing to do so thanks again for that And for talking to me today Would you like to remind the people about some of your books? And your website where they can get the books and all that before we really wrap it up Okay, thank you. The two last books are first the Light at the End of the Tunnel a survival plan for the human species and if you're interested in doing two books I would get that one and read it first It has sort of an introduction to the...it has one chapter on the ET affair Then the most important one is the latest one Money Mafia

1:01:52 A World in Crisis is more powerful, it's more up to date. It has two chapters related to the ET file but it brings in more issues and ties them together as one great big ball of wax and also both have an action plan with the most recent book is slightly enhanced It has more things that have to be done and it spends a little more time on global warming, and the urgency of getting away from just thinking that this is a problem that's going to go away if we don't pay attention to it. And so on... The books are available I presume through most bookstores? Certainly they're available from Amazon My website is paulheaderweb.com

1:02:52 But there are other places and probably some less expensive than that, because of the postage problems that apply to us ordinary mortals. So I urge people...I really hope and I'm going to promote a lot of ... I am hoping a lot of people will get the money back. and then start writing to the president, and to their senator, and to their congressperson. And saying we want action! We want it now! Here's a list of things... It is long list, well its shortlist really but.. A list that includes getting rid of the Fed, abolishing the Bank for International Settlements, abolishing the international

1:03:43 monetary fund and so on. So it's quite a comprehensive approach to reform, but there are things that if we did and if we then took the advice in the postscript and changed our hearts minds to cooperation and love for what and concern for others rather than just concerned for ourselves and stop worshipping technology and money, we could soon I think make quite a dent in the problems that exist in the world today. And maybe reverse the course of history before it's too late and we disappear as a species as has happened

1:04:25 Well good stuff Paul, I so agree with you there and i love money mafia. I think the action plan in it is spot on! I would love to see some movement on that and this has been a fascinating talk man thanks so much paul we need more people out there like you and take care of yourself out there all right sir? I'll do my best alright have a good one There we have it guys, probably one of the highest ranking government workers that will ever talk to a guy like me. And honestly just having someone who's been on the planet for 91 years is pretty interesting to me I hope it met my dad's expectations and I hope we gleamed a little more info about public banking

1:05:03 a ball, or maybe just logged a few quotes from Paul to bring up the next family function. And when someone tries to say there are no non-human entities working with our government, or there isn't a conspiracy going on and the bankers aren't raping the world, or our leaders don't know about 9 11 and there wasn't a big coverup of several buildings being knocked down by more than two planes... You can say, well are you calling Canada's former minister of defense a liar? Because that is what he thinks. And he has more to his credentials than just owning six speaker cities and winning two games at Edward Fortyhands Uncle Bernie but thanks for your well thought out opinion And in the plus show I asked Paul if the polls ever come up. You know, I love to bring up them polls and also underground bases more stories of alien alignments with our governments the curious connections between the Nazis and the greys and their obsession with human DNA and genetics

1:05:50 And I think it's the actually the plus show where we get more into 9-11 and Pauls view on it and also chemtrails Which I was a bit surprised to hear him talk about. And then for those who don't feel very challenged by today's show, I understand that but these shows have a place too and I think the next show is going To be paradigm challenging enough for all of us I don't want to say too much about that, but it's a theory I never thought I would take seriously. And I wouldn't say I was convinced in the end, but I definitely was surprised how good of case the guest made at least to me." I also talked to Crow who's gonna do a little update on his research with me and how things have been going since our show. We're gonna be doing that this weekend, probably not a full episode just something extra right after the supermoon spring equinox solar eclipse because we know how important those celestial cycles are to the occultists in power

1:06:42 They always have been, and I figured right after these markers on the big celestial wheel would be the perfect time to talk. Did anyone notice anything weird? Did we see another lunar wave? Did any major disasters happen in conjunction with these markers? Do they have any meaningful significance? These are hard things to answer beforehand so we're going to talk right after and I think i'll get it up right away And if any of you do see anything out there, please leave me a message on the voicemail app at TheHigherSideChats.com It would be great to throw in along with that particular episode So keep your eyes to the skies and let's pay a little more attention to that moon thing and a little less attention To the voice That's it for me this week I've done my part Your move Money Mafia and The Big Conspiracy Cabal Your frickin' move You say you want a revolution

1:07:36 You tell me that it's evolution We don't wanna change the world But when you talk about destruction Don't you know that you can count me? Don't you know we're still here? You say I got a real solution Well, no. You ask for a contribution

1:08:49 with my anxiety All I can tell you is brother, you have to wish the night You say don't change the contatous song Wanna change your head? You tell me it's the inside too strong You better free your mind instead And if you go carry pictures of Chairman Mac Don't you know it's deceit