Patrice Chaplin | The Portal Of Mount Canigou, The Magic Square Of Venus, & The Secrets of Girona

00:00 Alright, just a little added context for this one before we dive in. You know I've been interested in Patrice and her experiences with Mount Cantigoo and the portal ever since the conversations with Richard Stanley and Miguel Conner who I think was the first one to tell me about this? Miguel's got a couple good interviews with Patrice as well if you're compelled to hear more But I didn't think this was gonna happen. She's 85 years old, she's been talking about this for years as it is so i thought this would be one of those things where I could only talk around with other guests rather than with her directly but I asked Miguel and he contacted a friend of Patrice's from publishing named Sochi and Sochi and I talked quite a bit about all sorts of weird stuff she happens to live less than an hour from me and maybe she ends up being a THC guest sometime too who knows

00:44 But Xochitl does get mentioned a few times, so there's a little info about who she is. But she got me in contact with Patrice and we got it done! And that's all good to know but the reason I would preface this interview at all is that we had to do it in chunks The first and second chunk were the same day So I think that flows together just fine...but we had to record a third chunk about a week later and without saying that up front It would just come off as weird You can imagine, after a week there's a little bit of did I say this last time and I can't remember if we talked about X Y or Z etc. So as we always do we cleaned it up to be as smooth as possible and first hour listeners won't really notice but for the plus members who do get the full two hours show There is a split around 1h20mins then the last 40 minutes was recorded a week later and is all stitched together

01:35 Not exactly ideal, but the good thing about it is I had a week to reflect on what i would ask in a follow-up and that's not something I typically get to do. Either way, I'm just happy it happened at all thanks to those who helped! It's a fascinating story hope it stands out to you like it has for me enjoy The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan there's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man and until we thoroughly tested, last close-chested view. The more we know the less we really do! Where would we order lying to? Let's just don't go to what show Greg company

02:38 Brace yourself, people. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and even though the shapers of Western culture have worked hard over the centuries to maintain a materialist model for the masses and cultivate a deep ignorance of the spiritual or multi-dimensional aspects of the self and world at large leaving many mysteries on the table there are numerous paths for the individual to find their way to true knowing any given time they choose Entheogens, meditation, astral travel, lucid dreaming, remote viewing and an esoteric toolbox of techniques and practices that can break through the programming, the fear of death and constant devaluing of self that conveniently convinces many people it's okay to live a unfulfilling life making numbers go up in some arbitrary position that only accumulates more wealth for already wealthy.

03:25 They've had a good thing going for quite some time and anything that threatens to break the model is often suppressed, mocked or demonized. And in a pre-industrial world it's easy to see how many of the big secrets and mysteries would relate to breaking this programming and achieving individual gnosis Well several of life's big mysteries are covered in great detail and the memoirs of today's guest patrice chaplain, who found herself initiated into a cobbler stick tradition preserved since the middle ages by a secret society headquartered in gerona spain. That included members like salvador dali john cocktail possibly howard hughes and many others

04:05 Secrets that include man's true relationship with the spiritual, physical and cosmic. Magical rites and rituals that can affect one's reality A being of light crash landing on Earth thousands of years ago And the existence of real natural portal places like the one found on the summit of Mount Canegoo equidistant between Girona and Rennes-le-Chateau Her story on this is told across the three books, City of Secrets The Portal and The Stone Cradle. But that's not all she's also made a career as an internationally renowned playwright and author who has published more than 27 books plays and short stories in total it is a true honor and pleasure to be getting into this with her first hand the city of secrets scribe portal place revealer and bona fide multi-dimensional traveler Patrice welcome to THC

04:54 I know. Thank you, Greg. It's a really good intro. Hope I can live up to it. Oh you can! This is really something special we talk so much on this show about mysteries and portals in a broad sense but rarely does someone so thoroughly describe exactly where one is and publish their entire step-by-step journey through the initiation that took them through I've really been captivated by this story and all the little bits of wisdom peppered throughout it. For people who are new to this, a guide from The Secret Society took you on an elaborate journey through 11 sites that are derived from a magic square which looks like a Sudoku puzzle where all the numbers in each direction add up to the same number

05:40 This is all connected to the Venus Square in particular and the number 7, and the path of these sites mirrors Ursa Major. It gets quite complex but it culminated in the climb up Mount Canton U and Can you go can't do okay i knew how is gonna struggle with these french pronunciations and the names all this stuff but this mountain you had your own astral travel through the portal you say it can take you to different places and different times but elaborate on that for us when the portal takes up a person in their theory body of course not the physical body how is it different from other forms of astral travel or and the agenda like magic mushrooms in these sorts of things does it take everyone to someplace different, hi imagine it does i would think he would not take you to apart there was not relevant to the journey the idea of the journey is to expand what you know.

06:42 and to make your life i guess better and different and wider and larger and you can go further, do more here rather than be stuck in some ideas which might be okay for a while but they can be a lot better. It could also take away a great deal of fear and a life without fear is worth having isn't it? Yes yes that is a big thing with all these methods of getting out of the body is getting rid of the fear of death our culture really doesn't talk about dad and doesn't like these practices. They're often very suppressed so when you do have a breakthrough experience in realize hey i'm actually a soul in a body not just a body i'm really using this body and this life as kind of a container and maybe a chapter in the larger story of my soul life

07:38 And that is a powerful thing. You live life with more meaning and that's probably a big part of this journey for you, right? I think probably beings let's call it beings rather than people did use portals a lot going back way before the Samaritans and probably going back before the Dolmans. That's where the first Evidences have been found and are stored and kept away from people who would use them. Probably be excited to use these materials, but then to use it

08:22 and not farewell doing it, it's not a good idea. I mean so in a way things are kept secret because people don't understand them or wouldn't unless you've done the work of preparation so anyway for our own safety that we don't go looking for portals and going through them. I think has to be a well thought out process and something has to be given to arrive at getting something back and you have to develop a lot before you do a journal but some people do it and they record it as they go along. And, the basic thing about a portal is that its all about timing

09:08 So, you have to know when to come back and go back through the north. Remember your north? South leads to death so really you've left your body outside the portal – your physical body – and your intuitive etheric body goes through but you're going into different unexpected areas of pre-life if you like past lives other energies. So it's like a very large dream that you never forget, I suppose everyone has had a poor dream in their lives i guess, im sure and they think well that was pretty unforgettable and now really do need to drink after that one what is that about? You know or they run off to the shrink and talk about it or they have a sense of they've come out of there body and walking into another room

10:08 hear people and then see them they can't know those people because they were twenty years ago they're all dead. The thing about the portal is time what did happen, what you have to understand one get rid of two to have the gratitude and adventure to meet somebody who may have known in a previous life or maybe very valuable for this one but what you come out with as long as you remember to come back via the north and in time, then you've learned quite a lot and had an experience that somehow takes away the fear and the limitations too of fear. And gives a bigger story now what do you do with that? How do you react to suddenly coming back from somewhere and you feel

11:06 What I've got here isn't, you know it's not enough. Right so with a mystery as big and ancient as Renle Chateau there are just so many threads and narratives that it can be really hard to sort out and I think that is probably by design if you have something you want to keep secret and people start kind of getting the idea that there is something in their well maybe make a cover story then send people off in different directions and that seems to me why there are so many threads about Renle-Chateau, like the Merovingian bloodline and Priory of the Elders of Zion. And it revolves around the mystery of this priest, Berenger Saunier. Saunier? Yeah. Saunier. Again I read these words a thousand times. I don't say them very often. You'll be saying more right? Thank you!

12:01 Yes to quote your book the poor priest in the rundown church and a little known village of southern france could hardly eat out of living his account books show that hand-to-mouth existence then one morning without explanation he became fabulously rich, the year was eighteen ninety one and he was thirty eight years old how did you get the money what are they done. The answer to those questions has been a mystery ever since. And in the last three decades, a source of continuing speculation producing books TV documentaries and the basis for the novel and film of Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code Well, you go on to say after a short career as a priest he was eventually placed in the rundown parish of Rennes-le-Chateau and then with the donation from a member of the Habsburg dynasty. He began to repair and restore the church in 1891 while removing the altar columns. He discovered four scrolls two with coded messages these it appears were the source of his wealth. He took the scrolls immediately to the Church of St. Sulpice in Paris

13:02 And while they were being examined was introduced to a so teric and secret societies. Was this where the involvement with the mystery on holy and still not resolved began you ask, add that's very interesting then you go on to talk about in seventeen ninety two The priest who was at randall chateau actually hid the four scrolls in the altar column because the french revolution was happening and he put it there for someone in the future to understand so we know how this girls got their and we know who found the scrolls. Talk to us about what the scrolls contain and how this ties into the mystery of his overnight wealth did you sell the scrolls or is that stranger than that,

13:47 No, the Habsburg's wanted him to find and then to give them what he found which was in the church. And so the price was a big price they paid him but he wasn't allowed to leave and the thing was with all that money and well excessive money he thought he expected I mean look forward to a pretty good life who is an attractive man people liked him, he was sought after and he loved travel and the excitement that you know he'd found in Paris.

14:28 And to be put, you know for the rest of his life on top of a hill with a small church and quite a diminished group of people really around that area. I mean you've gotta think years ago it was in the hands of the Catalans and it was massive we had a load of soldiers there so it was a massively populated area So now we've got the small area and we've got him, his maid is there and not much else. He used to go off to Girona which he had a very strong link with which was part of the reason why I couldn't leave but it became very clear...I did actually talk to a security agent in Catalonia who knew this story very well because I said to him what

15:24 What do you do if someone wants to leave, like the priest in Rennes-la-Chateau and go off and have a pretty good time on a lot of money? How do you stop them?" And he kind of looked at me as though I was missing a few dots from my diet for this one. He said, You give him a picture, an illustration by doing what will happen to him but doing it to someone else. And then he sees that and he thinks twice, so if you think about him... He was about to hop ship there and then his neighbor priest was suddenly ritually killed and laid out in quite a substantial ornate fashion. It wasn't like a killing and no one could explain it apparently and nobody did explain it apparently

16:22 But he sure decided not, he wasn't going anywhere. My guide who took me on the journey to Portland told me that he did understand very well what happened to that poor man who wasn't planning any kind of trips or travels much. He had something obviously that they used to say, well, to him, he wanted to do all that so you've got the money but you're in the hands of the giver I know it's very clever and i wanted to use them to be able to uncover things that they want to do that period of time.

17:01 They certainly wanted the secret of why they have two towers, why they had the portal. These are things that would take them into other realms, other existences and he according to my guide she was a very good... She was capitalist and she made it very clear that he understood he was bright, he was willing to do work, he wasn't just looking for the good times but once he'd started on the journey which I guess is when you took the money Then you have to do it and he said he did this makes a lot of sense in. You have to restore the context of the time like this is the only game in town these are the deepest secrets and mysteries of human existence, add some people know about this astral travel and essentially time travel and ways to extract knowledge from these journeys

17:55 and they want that protected and it's very serious business it is life and death if you divulge the secrets of you don't play your role if your initiated into this thing, it becomes all consuming and i can understand that at the time i interviewed richard stanley about the catalan sand just the people who live there At the time basically being genocide and he thinks that these secrets and mysteries are a big part of why these people were genocided the vatican comes through, major empires in authorities and bloodline families come through and they want the secrets i want this knowledge no kill anyone to get it and thats why we have such mystique around it and why its so harsh even still seems.

18:41 I think it wouldn't be as attractive as it is if in the process make the person have a wider existence and a wider thought pattern. It makes life, you know, as we know it in usual terms that kind of small as I said before suddenly holding on to much bigger life And that is something you have to take care of and also take care of yourself in there. You know, it has to be quite a lot of work done, Kabbalistic chanting, you know, work within the community to protect you. Yes. You write about singing at an exact tone. You write about a lot of meditation as your taken through the 11 sites that mirror

19:36 the constellation of ursa major you have to meditate and reflect at each one of these sites and they kind of build up to the greater portal experience all the sites are portals but they are energetically potent and it is in initiation journey that just culminates in this blast off experience I understand the need for preparation, even with minor out of body things they say don't mess around with this stuff. Set and setting is very important preparation you have to kind of know what you're doing or you could lose your mind. Or as you told me in our prior conversation some people without the right guidance have gone into the portal and they cannot get back. No that happens quite a lot because if they do the work the portal

20:26 It's an aperture, it's open. It's either closed or you can't go in there but if it's open then you can go in and you've got your preparation, you've done weeks of preparation a good guide would never let you near any of this unless you'd really done the work and usually to some extent chosen A lot of people have gone, well you go into the portal and you work your way through as you've been told. Fear is not part of it and the unexpected is not to be handled badly, you know? You can't run out

21:03 Well, it's not even that sorted I don't think in people's minds. You go through because it's ultimately exciting. It's like going on a wizards journey you know? You're taken off and you think wow this is fantastic oh look at that shape! I've never seen that before. Wow and then you got your...you're into another different realm. That is when its get back remember the north don't waste time breathe back And you know how to go back because you've been doing that for some weeks. You've learned how to do the breathing, how to do the thinking, how to get yourself back into your body and if you don't do it in time then when you do go out your body is closed off It's done! It's finished and the only one I knew that didn't have ending a body divorced from their spirit ending

21:58 When could be welcome to the wonderful she was a psychic. She went to future she could give advice you when into very different, images and dimensions in june where classes dark glasses because i so powerful she want people would be alarmed by them, the way she could see into that person. Now she did this portal. She didn't do any of this stuff. I didn't do any prep, didn't do anything like that. She simply went up a hill in Surrey which is outside London England here and went out there obviously had a feeling drawn to that place where she could experience some of this

22:46 and she did find the portal, the upper two was open. She went into the portal and she didn't come back in time so when she came back body closed but she knew out of the body stuff and all that they took her to the A&E emergency in hospital and she had a sort of stroke But she came back from it, she came back into the body got back in and knew what had happened. I knew she wasn't ill, knew she shouldn't be in there and she left to went home. The only thing different was she was different and when people saw her afterwards, she looked completely and utterly different to how she had before. And so she moved to London, she move from that place in Surrey, she came to London

23:37 And I saw, I didn't...I thought you know it's just like Betty Belcom. It was Betty Belcom but not the one I knew and she explained what had happened to her and as far as i know there are only two other people in...i'm talking about a small group of people here because they don't know all the ones that have been through portals for sure but you know they have Only maybe once managed to get back in through the top chakras. You've got to make friends with your chakras, that's for sure. Go on through the highest one and you can get back in. Yes and you say at several points in the book that it is about timing

24:21 you say that if you are to initiate or you are looking for it won't even really see it might look like a slight disturbance but its not really something thats, big epic everybody notices it doesn't look like a giant wormhole but am curious of it looks like anything and this aperture aspect. When it comes to the timing, part of it is the preparation of the individual but also part of it like a cosmic timing. It has to be at certain time of day or certain time of year? That kind of thing? No! You've got to fix yourself your journey and your experience in with the portal itself that's for sure you have got to have a guide about someone who understands the whole terrain of what we're talking about

25:10 We have to be aware of the two towers because if we're not aware of them, we've got to know the landscape. And if you'd like to talk about that maybe, that would be vital. One in Girona and one in Rennes? Yes I know our time is somewhat limited but that's an important piece of the puzzle. The priest we talked about built the second tower he went to Girona saw the tower there then build a mirror twin image at Rennes-le-Chateau as part of that reconstruction we mentioned, and these two towers create the bookends of the portal which is equidistant in a golden mean proportion between the two markers. So they are important. Except the golden means a bit different apparently. It's big fight about that lately because they say no it's not on the same energy line at the peak of mountain is a little bit to one side

26:10 So, it includes a certain person's property who probably would like to think that they're living in the portal. I'm sure they do! Well that's the intention was to mark these are the bookends between an energy that wells up at the top of this mountain and becomes a portal. And I wanted to ask you about this because there are spirit beings in the story, mainly this lady with the cup sometimes referred to as the Magdalene. Maybe how Grail got associated with all of us to begin with but the initiates used to call her up quite reliably until too many people noticed and the spot became too high profile but what was the purpose of calling out this lady with a cup more than just seeing the vision right? No to get other dimensions, to get other knowledge

26:57 to get magic together, all kinds of dimensions that we normally don't have our hands on. We're not aware of and she brought that through. So how did that work? She would show up and she would take people through? She wouldn't take them through portals no as far as I know what he did do which is very important if you carried the cup and the thing about what I've realized some just realizing is that these valuable vessels or relics, like the Grail Cup or this cup of the Lady with a Cup. Or otherwise it's sort of spears or even vessels which have been written about in the Bible especially right now The Ark of the Covenant that has come up very strongly. That maybe

27:55 and I think this is really exciting, is that maybe a one spiritual vessel like the lady with the cup. The cup she's carrying can over time transfer itself to another shape and another being. So in other words –and this is coming from hearing what other people who work in this field say–is that the Ark of the Covenant could really be a different shape altogether. It could be a shape that was prior to one the Habsburg's had, and it could even go back further. I mean we can't stop with the Habsburg's and think that's the ultimate magic or other dimensions because that would be a bit slow but it may be there. It changes itself

28:52 Because I thought there's quite a lot here. We've got the Lady with the Cup, we've got the Stone Cradle... Well that is different because that's sort of still there and it has its own history and the only question about that is who was actually coming astride that cradle when it came to Earth? Yes! I got questions about that. Yeah but we all got those questions but it's slightly different from what these other vehicles of new and exciting dimensions. They bring things in, they don't bring bad stuff in. I mean we might react badly to it and close down and be alarmed or affronted by...I mean the idea that a lady with the cup which was seen a lot in the 19th century say 1890

29:44 when people used to go past the area behind the cathedral near where the tower was, and they would be going home from work. It'd be nine in evening, ten in evening and they suddenly walk into The Lady with a Cup? Well that was very bad news because they couldn't tell the church who wouldn't believe it if they ever tried to go near a kind of newspaper or anything banned, newspaper folded closed never written about and they couldn't go to the priestly, couldn't even remotely hear it. So what did they do? They tried to avoid that path home from work but it seemed that no matter what they did, The Lady with a Cup was visible in a way she could not exist so what they did finally with The Lady with a Cup

30:40 was when she appeared, the last time that she appeared that people actively saw her and many of them was at the state changed it and said it wasn't the lady with a cup. It was Jesus! And so the mark made inside the area where she appeared which is like an arrow lightning...like a lightning strike And it was a Jewish Kabbalist sign, and they changed that and made it Jesus's foot. She had to go inside – I mean, I don't know if we're talking about prison or hospital – but she was told she couldn't come out as long as she acknowledged that she'd not seen the lady with the cup but she had seen Jesus. Yes this puts new context to a lot of the actions of the Vatican back in this day – the Crusades, the Inquisition

31:33 It seems like this is what they're after and they also have to alter all these stories that conforms with their major story. And the secret society, you were initiated into they basically say look we're trying to protect this stuff from getting into the wrong hands people who would abuse it and exploit it. And that seems to be the story of the vatican's conquest of that area the killing of the catalans So many different cultures that were embedded in these environments being killed off because the Vatican wants these secrets and if they can't get the secrets, then they want any stories about them to be altered. No you saw Jesus is who you saw or you saw The Virgin Mary You know? You can only see the characters in our story and that's the only way it works And so I understand how this secret society gets formed. I understand kind of why they get super

32:31 vigilant about preserving this history in the story because it gets into the wrong hands that it's done and it'll be exploited and that's that. So when you mentioned this thing about lightning that is interesting because this is a quote from the book about what your told by your guide about spirits she says, When a spirit on high level approaches this earth, actual changes occur. Charred markings appear on the ground left by the passage caused by electric current as the spirit becomes manifest. Some people explain them away as lightning strikes. Yet

33:08 Yet, why are they always the same pattern and one that has a Kabbalistic significance? Portal. Doorway. Often when the Spirit is present water appears either as a spring or fountain. This is blessed healing! Think of lords in the vision that came to Bernadette so be rose and the sudden spring of water that still heals today in the eighteenth century the magdalene had appeared by the baraka and the fountain had gushed up in that dry space. So visions bring change to the environment and the water that accompanies them is alive not dead and healing not polluted you will change your thinking she said,

33:50 Wow, I mean that is so interesting. That's a lot of information about how spirits interact with the physical plane and how the landscape actually can change and relate to a spirits presence. I mean that's fascinating! It is but it's also quite scary as well because you know it comes at a price you know? How far into that are you going to go? That's the thing And so whenever I've taken people on a journey like you just described and said some of what you said, especially about the non-acceptance of what many people have seen and is undeniably there. But you can't have seen it because it doesn't fit in with the story that they have. So what do you do with it? Do you just put aside not think about it

34:44 think, got to be a thought patterns if I'm thinking like that. Well so do 200 other people out there who saw it so what you actually do with it? That's the thing because in that particular area, it's quite bureaucratic, Tirona especially and Catalonia and it also is in direct conflict with what's in the Bible I took a priest there, he's a Christian priest and Catholic. And he kind of observed it but I felt that if you didn't take it in then he probably prayed a helluva lot afterwards because you know he didn't want to take the sort of things that were presented to him into his thinking and beliefs. Right people don't like their worldview changed?

35:38 No, and if they've made a definite commitment to religion to have this kind of happening in front of them then we'll have to rewrite the script a bit. And also they don't come for nothing The spirit, the jars, the vessels, the beings holding a cup. They don't come in there just they're on that day. They come for reason and it is quite often to open people up to see more than their living in. Quite often it's that because you can't deny that you saw it

36:22 You saw the vision, you saw the lady with a cup. You'd heard about it before and didn't believe it? Other things you heard about was sound many around your own dimensions in car reach these. Appearance is the track to them to approach and quite a lot of them are found, not all visual but this sounds can make you shiver i still work for the bbc and i took a member taking recording outfit out there and it was luckily that night there was a sign off one of the Jews being captured before the expulsion and they had a beautiful voice. And sometimes you could hear that voice

37:07 I think it was a female who had fallen in love with the soldier, something like that. And the voice would appear in the stones and Girona is a place of stone so there'd be a lot of stones for her to go in but I did actually record him and he came up on the recording. Huh? Wow! So in terms of preserving these secrets and the quest to attain them and who has access i know the story doesn't start and end with a hapsburgs but i am interested. And other bloodline families to maybe seek this stuff out or who seek artifacts,

37:46 Well, the CIA gets a mention in your book. I think maybe you were just speculating and you were curious if somebody was infiltrating the group but these things happen. Do you have any knowledge of the CIA or other bloodline families still trying to attain this kind of stuff? Not mentionable. Fair. I know certainly about SpaceX, they were very interested in the portals. Howard Hughes was very interested in the portals and he'd been to Girona twice at least. He went once in 1933 and the other time was 1954, I think it was. And a second time I know he went after Ava Gardner because she was filming there in Girona just while on the coast. The first time

38:41 He went to see a German capitalist and devout writer of spiritual matters, to see the portal. They called him... they didn't know who he was! You know these were farmers they didn't know how old he is but he went into a bar and brought around his drinks which made him memorable but he drank milk and he didn't drink alcohol And they called the bar afterwards The American Milk Bar change its name and he did a lot of work on the whole idea of portals, how to work through space. But I was questioned when the first book came out City Of Secrets in 2007 i was questioned by people from the space

39:28 agency, I don't know what else to call it. Surprisingly it wasn't about who did I know? What had they seen? What happened to me? No! It was how do you come across an artificial portal and never heard of it. And I said no, I didn't come across maybe two portals on my own that was about it over my own doing oh no one in Paris that was by complete chance But on the whole, no. And so it was what an artificial portal like and I had no idea." Then he said this to the man who spoke to me... He was very nice, very cunning, and he was looking for the good here to happen not the reverse. And he went through how dangerous it had been

40:20 for Howard to go making these kind of gaps in the space of life, you know. And he hadn't put in a protection like if you're ill and you don't want the family to get the bug, you have to be kept in a room separate. There has to be some care taken of what comes out and he had made these portals in Mount Canegoo, at the base of Mount Canegoo and brought in German scientists after the war. And they took them to America and these artificial portals were present and had trapped something from outer space because things went out but things came in

41:04 because there was no protection. That was what he hadn't done, and so the man asked me if I knew what this being was of 50 000 years away? Um...I didn't! I mean frankly you know but this one had come through one of these portals and had left an image of what he would look like when he came to earth that we'd know him I told my story and i believe that i do believe. But I have never seen an artificial portal, though my guide had known many people who thought portals and knew what to look for. And would go and trace the energies which made up a portal with no from being on the outside this is a portal area here because the energies are very high, the temperatures are high and low when they move around in a certain way they could be defined

42:06 So these people actually wrote books about it. And this was in the last century, well two centuries back 1890 and early 1920s so there were other people involved in What's very interesting that you would get approached by someone from space x or from the space agencies. It was not name it with the other name that was there then i'm going back to south and seven it was prior spacex Okay well just people who are involved in space exploration or attempts to get there it's interesting that they would be so preoccupied with portals because their whole focus is to traverse. Space and a physical sense and then here you have these portals this seems to be the way you really traverse space is not enough physical way

43:00 But they seem to know that. There seems to be some overlap between their interests and obviously exploration for exploration's sake, but I wonder if some of these people start to understand that going in a rocket really isn't the way to do it? You want to do it in the ways that these people know. They do know that yeah. They know it but they want to get there wherever there is. There has to be present for them to see the differences and recognize things they've already understood or heard about, or wanted to understand. I mean it has to be something happened for them to realize there's somewhere different and their bodies wouldn't behave in the same manner in same way as what they would do if they were looking in a mirror at a tiger or something you know? It would be a different feeling

43:53 Right. So let me ask you this, let's jump over to the Stone Cradle, the third book in your memoir series that gets into some really bizarre and complicated stuff. So I would preface this by saying that the dominant Christian narrative is so aggressive in our culture that we're just conditioned even non-religious people are conditioned to hear certain things and react as like oh, that's evil, that's bad definitely Definitely don't mess with that. And we're being told this by people who do some pretty bad things, so why are we taking their lead in sorting out the good from the bad? But in The Stone Cradle it gets into the idea that there is a meteor that fell to earth

44:45 Cataclysmic events five thousand five hundred and twenty one years ago people thought the sun was falling out of the sky people were panicking running around all over the place. This meteor falls to earth and with it came a being of light now when this happened venus transitioned into being the new quote unquote morning star as we've heard before this is the symbolic death of venus and this meteor comes in there's a speed of light. And you ask these people who is this being of light and they say well some people call lucifer some people say other names but lucifer is this being who came to

45:26 Basically do just what the lady with a cup would do or what any other being would do inspire people bring them knowledge and. It's associated heavily with this media that came down now this also ties into the portal book because you're using the magic square of venus, add the reason why people think the pentagram is evil cuz they were told that but what the pentagram really is is the path of venus It is a year cycle it makes this pattern in the sky so why do we have these weird associations. It really unlocked a lot for me because if you talk about a story that's five thousand years old sure i can get twisted up and if it has power and it share a lot of people want to obscure that hide it but. Talk to us about the stone cradle and this cradle child that came with what were you told about this and your show on this cradle to write this meteor

46:23 Oh yeah I saw it again because i took someone up there who should be shown you and What I understood was, it wasn't like a cradle shape that sailed to Earth and landed at a particular quite isolated place. No, it wasn't. It came along with extra stone and particles and pieces of stone which those things are still on the mountain where it came down from the side of And the actual cradle is kind of looked after and used for healing. And that is kept in a private place where people do go for healing, and so other... No I'm going to have to use the word healing that's only what I can think to describe it! The person who looks after it is in society

47:23 The society owns the land, right? Yes. Certainly do and the man took me to and put my hands around this object, the kind of mound of small plates of stone and all that which was still there or rock I don't know what they were exactly scientifically but when inside there was a cradle very neat very perfect in itself In there, he didn't talk about the present time. He talked about the past. He said do you believe that this cradle from those holes could have nourishment come up to heal children? And I said I do believe it because i've heard about it. I didn't know I've heard about it

48:13 And then he went into quite a big history of it, how during the plague which had hit that area quite badly people would come and be healed and lie on this cradle. It would only take one medium-sized man could be there. People would go there to give birth or others to die and others just lie there look at the sky whatever But they said to me, it's not the only one. And there is another further north in Le Puy, L-E-P-U-Y-S in France

48:57 and it's in the big church there, and this rock had fallen there too. It wasn't the cradle exactly as we have it in Spain but it certainly was an area where part of the stone had fallen and had healed people during the plague. And it's much more seen. People go to see it, it has certain hours that you can go in – they don't want the church overcrowded and is managed but when the plague was there as well rampant, the place was filled or filled to the brim with people trying to lie or lie near or get near this stone and it had the same

49:46 qualities as the one further south. But then they had it measured and examined scientifically, and the one in Spain has an extra component which they can't measure where it comes from what it is. The other one has the same components but not that extra one so it has something there which I know why to keep apparently more hidden in Spain was because it was stolen by a sect who took it to another church nearby.

50:24 and turned it over so it became a kind of vessel in the church, put a candle on top and pretended they hadn't got it. I think it was missing for quite a few months and then the society found it sitting around the corner and took it away. And then it wasn't anymore available to carry off to your home you had to go see there Right. It's so interesting because it makes me think about Muslims and Mecca and the Kaaba stone, a lot of people have speculated that's a meteorite and it's like man do these meteorites just come down every so often with a spirit attached? And then there's like some healing ability that happens which obviously is a great power! Then a religion forms around it and that's the story of humans getting it wrong?! Yeah I mean

51:17 There's an American family who were interested, quite renowned family you've got out there. I won't go into that but they went to Egypt and found a copy of that cradle in Spain it was this very small copy and people showed them with respect that they hid it, they didn't have it on view for everyone but it was the same as what was said already seen one In northern Spain, it's the same one. Wow! A prominent American family? Is this a political family or finance family? Well I suppose if you went to that country and knew who they were so you could be persuaded to let them see it because they were astral proud of what they had You know there was no kind of... It didn't get stolen but it got photographed

52:15 Hmm. The rich and powerful are playing a whole different game than the rest of us, I know that! No but they took the photographs that's all i know about that Wow so did the society that you met the cobblestick society which is another one of those trigger words were told to think cobblestick is bad but again it's just like, it seems to be more like a science of reality and how the dimensions all interact. But did this society ever give you a name do they have a name for themselves they tend to just be called the society? Yeah, but I would not be giving it either. Oh okay! No, no...I mean why would i want to break what works? This has worked for many years and the man that I was involved with for many years too he was a very big part of it out of respect for that I would say little you know except

53:13 I would certainly say that with regard to the cradle and Lucifer, in Catalonia they have a big guild of that being coming down on the cradle. And they all have guilds and they name them and they have that guild! And i think there's two or three parts of Spain where they have a guild in honor of Lucifer so to them He's a carrier of light. He might have made a mistake in heaven, but he's here healing and helping people to grow and to build up a better outfit than was there at the time. I mean, I don't know working back 5,000 years what was there in the way of people's intelligence and growth?

54:10 What I do know is from one of the American colleges, they came out and took a look at Gerona and could see actually that there were probably beings that were intelligent enough to help those others to build and speed up the cave life. you know, which was basically to keep alive and eat and have kids. I mean it wasn't What was it like then? Well, these intelligent beings where did they come from I think they're incredibly interesting actually. Yeah you know there's this big theme for all the people who are researching ancient civilizations and Babylon Mesopotamia there is this big theme of these gods that have a pine cone and hold the handbag and everybody like your Graham Hancocks are out there trying to figure out what's with the handbag that all

55:10 depictions of these gods have. They're all over the world and it seems very adjacent to the lady with the cup, it seems like this is it that's what the handbag is! It's basically the cup and it's a different being with a vessel, a little cup of knowledge and that's just how its depicted on our plane. Well I'm sure yeah i can't running into names and things you pretty be listening to this and sue me for a new machine was very very good she did say it but absolutely that is what told, who do until live in the way and i'm sure something happened because.

55:54 Corona, that area is very old. I mean, the Catalina was pretty old and long before the Visigoths came and made it their capital. It goes back to 5,000 years and the beings would probably if they were there find those cave dwellers who were ready and willing to go into another form of life, you know. To go into the hierarchical one where you have the ones at the top and the ones at the bottom, all that. And also how to use intelligence. It would make sense if something from outside came along... I don't think they could've done it themselves

56:41 The last part of the film we've done is all about the caves. I mean, suddenly everyone was talking about caves this last year. No one really ever talked about outside of Toronto. No one talked about it and never went there. Someone went there recently because that person was aware that the secret was held there – the one everyone had been after for years I went there, but unfortunately did not manage to save his life when he fell because it was far too dangerous a deal and those mountains. Wow! What secret was in this cave? Does it have a name like the Grail Secret has a name obviously what secret are we talking about with this cave you're referencing? No, I'll pass on that one.

57:33 Okay. If you don't mind, I don't mind. For people's context curious what mystery it relates to? Yeah it does transform the space around it. It can bring tremendous lightning flashes of intelligence and growth supposedly. I have not seen Well, they say caves are mystical because they're attached to the lower plane and mountains are mystical. They're attached to the higher plane not that every bean that comes from one of the other is good or bad but it's just like you know there's a stack of dimensions and this is where you would access beans well this isn't one it's a cave on a mountain well there you go the double whammy I think I've got to go in a minute

58:23 Yes, yes. I was going to say this has been great we'll start wrapping it up. I just want to ask you when the portal came out i'm sure people were like wow what a great reveal and then the stone cradle came out and it's like wow this takes it up to another level is there more to be revealed that is gonna maybe not come out in another book but is there another layer above the stone cradle that we've yet to understand? Yes definitely but um another thing I do feel about well, no I feel like being also told about is that certain objects like the grail and a magic sword or whatever they can over a long period of time change into another shape. Another sort of human recognizable shape so they don't stay they're not

59:16 built according to some spirit offshore somewhere along the way and send it over here for us to worship, and it stays the same? No. Apparently this figure moves with what is happening so there is one yet come which is very I would say rigorously active in the knowledge of it and it today in today's time and place. And I would think had to be handled with a great deal of care. And where would you send people to learn more about that when the time is right? I wouldn't, I don't know what Okay. I think the others are old. Well this object is also old but it's tricky and sought after and sort of dangerous I think as I understand

1:00:15 Are you going to be talking about it more in an upcoming project? I expect so. Yeah, I've been asked to but the cradle is safe, Stone Cradle and in a way...I don't know what people think about Lucifer but anyway he did do good things here apparently, and he followed. I don't think the Spanish would follow him with guilt and with remembrance days and things like this if he hadn't done good things to them they would have burned him or barred him wouldn't they? I suppose so. Yeah, so this has been great! I really appreciate your time and the work you've done it's so unique to reveal this sort of stuff i can't believe the society allowed this to come out but i'm glad that they did and i hope they don't have any regrets. I don't know how their thinking is on it but i know people who work for them and they do good stuff and are doing it because they really need want to do it

1:01:22 They're not doing bad stuff. Fair enough, so remind people where to get your work any upcoming work you want to let them know about websites that kind of stuff before we really call it in? Oh yeah film coming out Gerona the Immortal it's being distributed by AMG Corp C-O-R-P thats in Canada Toronto The City of Secrets is also available, that's with Quest Books or with books in London. England has quite a few different publishers who publish that book and Spain they've published it too. City of Secrets but there are more things coming out yes? There is another book about the film. The film is the trailer, the main film and the addendum and its all new stuff

1:02:22 So, just suddenly all became available and known to people. Nothing known before. I look forward to that! Awesome well i know you gotta get going thanks for jumping on this call again with me and i appreciate it very much thank you Greg yeah great nice one alrighty have a good one thank you thank you take care And boom goes the dynamite. We did it, guys! Give yourselves a pat on the back. It's pretty rare that I continue to bring up something like this story in unrelated interviews and then for it to actually happen with the point person themselves. It's a nice little mini saga for listeners who do follow along on the wider THC journey

1:03:14 And again, it's never ideal to do an interview over multiple starts and stops. And for an 85 year old she seems like she's doing pretty great but it definitely changes the energy and changes the flow. I think we both had a hard time hearing each other at times so I would try to speak abnormally loud and clear but it is what it is! I'm just really glad that this has now made into The Higher Side Archive It's also, let it be known the first interview I've ever recorded over Facebook Messenger call. Which i didn't even know I could do but I found a way and then just crossed my fingers that it all saved correctly But it's wild to hear about Girona Spain this haven for Kabbalists before the Jews were kicked out that still keeps this occult undercurrent And the secret society preserving knowledge of portals and mystical artifacts in the landscape...it's pretty amazing to me

1:04:10 To hear that once her second book was written she got a call from someone at NASA or some kind of clandestine government operation to close unnatural portals opened by someone in aviation, aka maybe THE aviator Howard Hughes. But I find it fascinating that this information is just out there in these books and relatively under the radar You know, I'm in a lot of rabbit holes and it took me quite a long time to stumble across this. And how many people are talking about it or taking this pilgrimage as opposed to something like Machu Picchu? Or Gobekli Tepe? Fascinating sites but I think this should at least get half the attention wouldn't you say

1:04:55 But hey, what are you gonna do? It seems like there's a pentagram in the landscape and portals all around the French Pyrenees and one specifically on the top of a mountain between two twin towers. One in Girona and one in Rennes-le-Chateau! And that's just nice to know right?! At a time when the Vatican was so bloodthirsty to be the sole spiritual authority... ...you could totally see how this would be one of the biggest secrets imaginable. And it all kind of clicks for me I really shouldn't even say Vatican because that came thousands of years later, but obviously at a much further down the timeline time depth that area-that region is seeped in the blood spilled on the quest for religious authority domination. And i'm sure that's a quest that probably goes back to the beginning of this story...in some form or fashion

1:05:49 I can't remember exactly where the free and plus show split is on this one, but it gets even weirder with the stone cradle. This meteoric rock that came out of the sky at the end of the Venus cycle a pattern that makes a pentagram and then boom! This artifact lands with a being of light attached and some call that being Lucifer It's all obviously very wild and it's hard to be neutral on some of this stuff because the Lucifer equals bad programming is just so strong, and Kabbalist programming too. A lot of people hear that word and it's a trigger but consider the source even right up to The Burning Of Witches in Salem people have been programmed that if it doesn't get a rubber stamp from the Vatican Catholicism or just Christianity...it's evil!

1:06:38 Matters are only complicated further because evil people and things, and I would guess spirits often aren't exactly wearing their orientation right there on the lanyard for you to see. So why stop trying to categorize every little thing a long time ago? I just listen Some people will come away thinking we covered a sect of evil Kabbalistic Jews following the tradition and preserving the knowledge of an evil demon from space and others will have almost the complete opposite take, that a unique and spectacular thing happened in the ancient past. And an underground group of esoteric scholars and practitioners have tried to preserve the information, knowledge, and artifacts from this event against those who would destroy it all! The ongoing risk is too great to make it all openly available in less cryptic or roundabout way so they have a multi-generational secret society

1:07:33 But when I hear this story, it sounds like Lucifer is a being closer to valiant Thor than some ultimate evil or fallen angel who defied God. You know how I feel all these terms have been twisted used and reused so many times with so many agendas that it's really hard to unpack but the morning star is Venus we know that much. And this lucifer sometimes called the morning star sometimes called the light bringer i mean its alright there Sometimes I think about all that propaganda or religious residue put on a name or term like Lucifer, and I hear these associations with the cosmology. And sometimes I'm just like is that what it is? Is that all of this because it's pretty silly to call them movements of lights in the sky good or evil but of course as this story goes That's not all it is there was a bean wrapped up and all of it

1:08:34 And it makes me wonder about actually all the Ascended Master types of stories, as far out as they are. What if the cosmos is a giant celestial clock and when planets complete a cycle, a being is injected into the system to perform a function? Maybe help elevate us maybe help remind us where we are... If we can get out of our own way who knows exactly but I might put something like that in my own spiritual configuration You know, some of these beings might make a big impact and some might actually be completely covered up and lost to time. What is NASA doing sending out rockets with sigils in the names of ancient Greek gods? When asked by Diana Pasulka why and who would be reading these rockets the answer was our sponsors! So what is the relationship between higher realms in this one

1:09:27 It is interesting that the pentagram is thought of as evil, but it's basically just the pattern of a multi-dimensional bridge. If you're thinking multi-dimensionally, it's as arbitrary as The Golden Gate Bridge in and of itself. Do we call The Golden Gate Bridge evil because evil people can cross it? It really just seems like a pathway...but a pathway to a place we don't understand very well And isn't it interesting that in this case, this being is said to have somehow come from Venus and Venus is making this pentagram-like shape and its cycle. And this happens right at the end of it? I don't know... Is it all evil or is it all mechanisms of our larger system that religious authorities want to suppress? They don't want you to know about any possible pathway to The Divine

1:10:17 the spiritual realms, any of that stuff that doesn't pass through them and the collection plate. Curious stuff and I guess it just all depends on how fixed or flexible your own spiritual orientation is but so rarely are we talking about such specific things and not just broad speculation over possibilities and general concepts And as for this documentary, Gerona The Immortal Yeah, that is the name of an upcoming documentary. You can find the trailer on YouTube I will link it It's only got a hundred and thirty views but i can't find any other information about its release Patrice says it's coming out on Prime Video in April And reveals yet another lair with a legendary artifact that Jose supposedly left in the custody of someone before he died

1:11:09 Patrice even mentioned to me she thought for a moment that she had the Israelis after her because they thought she would know more about it and she doesn't. Apparently, but if anyone finds out any more about the release of this documentary let me know I'm clearly vested In higher side news things are getting back to normal not much to report Let's see what people thought of the last episode with Juan Ayala? I had a good time and i expect it to be good let's say 4.6 Drumroll please. And the actual rating is a 4.8! Okay, that's awesome we're back baby I hope this one resonates well too but it's hard to say either way Juan is a fun guy I liked his Occultist Mundi work and his knowledge of the Hermunculus Is impressive alright and now for the infamous meetup calendar

1:12:06 Saturday, April 12th. Raleigh North Carolina the Raleigh Brewing Company Sunday April 20th New York New York The Standard Beer Garden and then we're jumping all the way to June 1st Huntington Indiana at the Heartland Harbor venue seems to be a homestead slash food forest I like that but yeah the calendar is pretty light for April and May I do hope to see people using it. It's totally free, you find some local people that resonate with you on this wavelength and... You have a good time and expand your network! Hiresidemeetups.com Make an event of your own or get more details about one around you

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