Nita Hiltner | Giant Skeletons, Modern Pterosaurs, & Missing People Mysteries

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01:56 Let's do it, Irish Side Chatters! Drinking a little drink. Smoking a little smoke just trying to take the edge off in this jagged world from sunny San Diego you can call me The Carl Wood and this is a fun little episode A lot of people have been asking for three topics in particular stories about the ancient giants of America more cryptids since JC Johnson was so much fun and constant requests to get David Polaitis back on. Well, I tracked down a journalist who's written about all three and I think this might be your first interview but I figured all three topics are great so we spent about 40 minutes on all of them. Bing bang boom trifecta

02:31 But she came prepared with lots of newspaper clippings and actual accounts of these things, which is what I really love. So hopefully you're with me! Now before examining a couple of the cover-ups, cryptid creatures and creepy cases of disappearances in national parks... This show has had a lot of milestones Big guests being thanked in books Being nominated for some big awards Kinda getting a shirt on Portlandia But today is another milestone, because apparently a few couples out there like to listen to THC together. And one of these couples thought that a personal message on one their favorite podcasts might be a good way to propose! So? I bet there are a bunch of couples just looking at each other all over the place right now wondering... Is this it?! Am i getting engaged right now!?

03:21 But you aren't. Unless your name is Corey Cook because man, Hannah wants to ask you to marry her. Corey... Like perfect synchronicity You gotta do what the Moneybomb winner did and just put a ring on it my friend A female proposing I know it's a little break from tradition but I'm not surprised that THC fans aren't traditional people So there it is Monica and Chandler style. I hope it works out, congrats and all that or you know...I'm sorry! I just don't know but that said party people let's dig in we know the world is a weird place full of hidden history creatures of mystery and more cover-ups than A Bed Bath & Beyond yes

04:04 And today we have an amazing California journalist, Nina Hiltner. She's worked as a reporter for the Press Enterprise of Riverside for 16 years as well as several other newspapers. She is also a contributor to a website called DC Exposed where she has written several pieces about some my favorite themes in this weird conspiratorial world So without further ado I give you... Nita Hiltner! Welcome to THC Hi, nice to be here to talk with you about these subjects. Absolutely, I think it's going to be a blast. Thanks for being here! I really enjoy your writing the topics you cover are great from the Smithsonian cover-up to modern TerraSource sweeping military accidents under the rug and many other conspiratorial things You know these are some pretty out there topics though that a lot of people wouldn't dare report on so let me ask you How did you get started taking this stuff more seriously? Was there an experience or a specific story or a gateway conspiracy that moved your needle further into the fringe

05:04 you Well, in these particular stories that I wrote, what tempted me to begin was my first story on the giant skeletons. That's because I had been listening to L.A. Marzulli on coast-to-coast radio about the giant skulls in Peru and so looking those up, I actually found a newspaper article from 1883 that was about my town that I grew up in Anderson Indiana And I knew that we always had Mound State Park, that I visited myself as a kid and everything. But nobody ever said there were any giant skeletons found there. And in this article

05:50 It talked about the Smithsonian being interested in making that area a national park because of the finds. And what they found was, they broke into an area near The Mound that inside were six giant skeletons that were in a sitting position And when they broke into this, the fresh air got in and most of the skeletons just disintegrated into pieces except for at least two of the skulls. This article was from the Lima Daily newspaper in Lima Ohio.

06:26 So I called a friend that I knew worked at the Mounds Park in this day and age, and I said have you ever heard this story? Because she was like a docent there. And they walked people around and talked to them about the mounds and she said no! They're not even aware that these skeletons existed and she acted kind of doubtful, but there was this 1883 newspaper article about how one of the historians in Anderson had one of the skulls. and that another one was on display, which back in those days as these skeletons were being found mostly in the late 1800s they would be displayed in museums all over the country. And then they just started disappearing because the Smithsonian would come in

07:17 and take the bones, you know telling them that they wanted to investigate them. And they would never be returned I even read an article that suggested that they had so many of these That they could no longer store them at the Smithsonian and they would take them on barges out to the Atlantic Ocean and just dump them Yes! I've heard that too...and that is one of the saddest things because THAT you can't get back No, but the theory was at the time that the reason they didn't want people to have this written up in history books and all that sort of thing was if it were written up it would dispute the Darwinian theory of evolution completely.

08:01 And that they wanted to protect that. I saw that you wrote about that and i had always wondered since I've heard this story why such a cover-up? When I heard the explanation, for The Times it might make sense but I'm surprised that Darwin Lobby would be so strong Well, it was and I think you know there's theories that It goes back to the ancient elitist that wanted to keep secrets from the rest of us about how this world began and how it was populated And where we all came from. Mm-hmm! And if they are in actuality controlling all that information then Of course it would fit in perfectly Right yeah That's the implication that I think makes the most sense is that there's something far

08:48 Right, exactly. it's also oriented to point towards the North Star, is that true? Yes. The entrances to the mounds were all pointed to the North Star and so there has to be some kind of a scientific part too if these people that were built were called the mound builders but in reality if they were who we also call the Nephilim

09:32 or the giants that the remains of the skeletons came from, then they were pretty advanced. Man, that's so crazy. We see so many old sites all pointing towards celestial bodies and that seems like it'd be such a hard thing to calculate with the idea we have of where they were technologically It seems super tough But it's funny that you grew up next to something like that in Ohio in the Ohio Valley Anderson Mounds because I grew Up in st.. Louis right near Cahokia mounds oh yeah And that's another crazy one can you tell the people a little bit about that?

10:08 Well, Cahokia was a city that also is not in our history books for the most part. Kids don't learn about this but it was very large city. It had I believe 16000 people there at the time that it existed and that was the same population as Paris France for comparison so with a large trading city that the natives would go to trade their goods What happened was that at some point it was destroyed and it was destroyed by fire. And even though nobody else is putting this together, when I read that after the fire when it was rebuilt all of the dwellings were built smaller

10:51 and in the uh... native american history they all it doesn't matter what tried to do they all tell the same tale that day fought giant that were man eaters and that they had to destroy them because they were eating their people and if you kind of a two-in-two together you can imagine that the native americans that we knew where the ones who destroyed this village at with inhabited by these giants because their homes and everything were very much larger than what they were after the fire. So when the Native Americans took over the area as their own dwelling place, their homes that they built were smaller

11:35 And so underneath that mound, of course are places that there could be skeletons buried. But from the 1990s I believe there was an act that protects the mounds and other places where American Indians were buried. You're no longer allowed to go into investigate without their permission Yeah, it's so crazy because when I was growing up we'd see these things and we were always told that the Indians used to just bury their stuff. Clay pots arrowheads dream catchers It's all really boring stuff don't worry about it We don't know why but they just like to bury clay stuff right? It didn't really make any sense

12:16 But we just went with it. We were little kids, we don't think that parents and adults are lying to us but To think that it might be the site of some Ancient battle or not even so not even ancient really I guess It doesn't have to be all that long ago but some big battle between Native American cultures and races of cannibalistic Giants right there near where I was driving around? It's pretty interesting Right Well, when L.A. Marzulli went to Peru one of the cave paintings that he found was of a being holding a skull and the being was licking the skull which indicated man-eater. And so it is believed that these were carnivorous giants that looked on people, smaller people as food!

13:07 There are many tales that people have indicated of, you know, history that we don't read about in our books. One of them was an article titled A Prehistoric Cemetery. It was in a newspaper called The Pioneer and it wrote that near the junction of the Heart and Missouri Rivers was an ancient hundred-acre cemetery filled with bones of the giant race. It was full of trenches full of dead bodies both man and beast. Wow! And in the article, I will quote. This has evidently been a grand battlefield where thousands of men have fallen nothing like a systematic or intelligent exploration has made as only little holes two or three feet in depth have been dug into some of the mounds but many parts are the anatomy of man and beast and beautiful specimens of broken pottery and other curiosities have been found." Now

14:01 There was one of the most amazing discoveries, it was a giant cemetery that was reported in Fort Wayne Indiana Sentinel newspaper in 1897. And it reported that there was prehistoric battlefield with the skulls of 100 thousand giant Neanderthals some with two rows of teeth and others with red hair still attached all with arrow points in them and that was found near Wichita Kansas So that was found near the Choctaw Indian Reservation. And so when it says a hundred thousand of these giants were found, can you imagine how many there were in the country at the time? Right! It's almost amazing that small tribes of Native Americans would even be able to compete with something that is actually eating them and actually so much bigger

14:57 And so much bigger because most of these were said to be from seven feet to nine feet tall, but all over the world bones have been found at different heights. I mean anywhere you know over ten feet tall it's unbelievable to say that in Peru the largest one was found 36 feet tall and in France the next largest was 25 feet tall Yeah, 25-36 feet tall. That is so wild and I guess if you think about the story of the Nephilim, if you think about the story of fallen angels breeding with human women and then producing some type of offspring like maybe... You can see that something that might be 36 feet tall might have been from the original then we might have these hybrids that are in the teens

15:54 I don't know, it gets kind of weird but you can kind of see how you'd get there. Right exactly again it's none of this is any of the history we ever learned as kids so reading about and taking it in... You know its kinda unbelievable at the beginning but then when you delve into it you find that these newspaper stories about these giant skeletons were all over the newspapers in the 1800s and those stories are still there for people to find Right. Yeah, there are ones from the Ohio Valley California Illinois New York West Virginia hmm pretty much almost every state you can find at least one paper from like the 1770s to the 1850s that talks about this kind of stuff and it just goes to show how easy it is for them to take something That's apparently spreading out to museums all over the country There's discoveries everywhere newspapers are talking about it and then just say no we

16:49 we want to erase this and they can just completely whitewash it, take it out of textbooks where that's the only source of knowledge we really have. And then you know, it's gone." Right, it's gone and I think that is what the Smithsonian wanted because if there really is a ruling elite that is behind the scenes in everything that happening in the world which more and more are beginning to believe that because of things you hear. You know you can believe this was the institution they used to take care of this but of course this information has been hidden in other countries, so there must be some kind of a determining factor that's decided that we're not going to tell the people what we're finding. And all the people in the 1800s that knew about these skeletons they are long gone and if it is not in our history books its gone for the masses never learn about it until this information started coming out

17:47 There were also some other weird things about the skeletons I wanted to make sure we talked about. You mentioned that some have double rows of teeth, but uh...I believe there are some other things like uh..some of them have had six toes on one foot? Right. Were there any other strange things? Well, some of them had protuberances from their foreheads meaning horns Wow So they had horned foreheads some of them and most of them were red-haired when they find the skulls They find hair on them And one of the most interesting things that I ever heard from L.A Marzulli was that when he finally found Some of these skulls in Peru

18:29 in a small museum, they took a sampling of the hair and for some reason they compared it to some hair that was supposedly taken from a man that had been attacked he said by an alien. And he ripped out some hair and he loaned it to L.A. Marzulli and they did a specific DNA test on both of the hairs and they matched So his feeling was, he said at the time is that whoever these giants were back then they still exist even if another form and they may still be the ones that have determination over what's happening on earth. Interesting right it gets really weird you know there are so many different ways to get deep down into the rabbit hole but when you find

19:22 one thread like this, you start tugging on it and it just brings out all these other possibilities of like well if this is a worldwide phenomenon who's powerful enough to cover this up? Do they have some type of connection to these giants and then-then you're getting really weird but It doesn't take too many degrees of separation To get to the idea that something's running the planet that might not be completely human or might not be just like you and me well and it might go back to all the stories of eisenhower meeting with alien during that time he was in office and making a deal with them supposedly there's a document making a deal with them to trade technic technological information for their ability the aliens too take people onto their ships and test them which is a lot of people said that they have been taken

20:16 But supposedly the deal was that they were always to give back that person and that person, that the alien took was never supposed to remember what had happened to them. That part of it has kind of gone by the wayside and people are remembering if you are to believe that, it could all be tied in with who these giants were. If they still exist and if these were the ones that our government has contact with because there's too many stories out there that not just our government but other governments do have information from other planetary beings about technology and the like

20:56 And another aspect to this cover up outside of the Smithsonian that I wanted to ask you about, because i've heard some other researchers talk about this and it seems like there's a concerted effort to build elaborate things on these areas in some cases like either build a highway over a mound area or build a shopping mall over it and Some researchers have suggested that it's done purposely so that an excavation of that area is going to be near impossible because you're gonna have to tear down whatever they've placed there. And when you look at these places on these nodes, It makes a strong case that there's that aspect of the cover-up too Have you noticed that at all?

21:37 Now I haven't even heard of that one. So this is, that part of it is new to me but of course if there were as many of them here which I actually heard somebody ask how many people were living on the continent of North America when Columbus showed up and I was shocked to hear the answer! The answer was 47 million. Wow So that's how many Native Americans lived here when Columbus showed up. And before that, so you say okay well if there are 100,000 bodies on one battlefield that they have found

22:16 then how many were here? And so all of their sites and everything, they must be all over the place. So whether or not they know a mound is there or not it must be hard to avoid them in some cases for building and we don't even treat historic buildings like old McDonald's. We don't treat them well, we tear them down. So covering up something It does sound like it could be on purpose, but there must have been a lot of areas left to cover up. Yeah seriously it has to be huge when you think about how big this cover-up would be it makes Roswell look simple. You know Roswell is just one little ship that's easy to cover up

22:59 Exactly. That was one little incident. There was a Tuscaroran Indian, David Cusick that wrote in 1825 about a giant tribe and I can't even pronounce their names but they lived in the Ohio Valley and he wrote that the other small tribes grew tired of the giants attacking them so they only took 800 warriors to annihilate all these giant people And then David Cusick wrote that after that, there were no more giants anywhere. He wrote that this had happened 2500 years before Columbus discovered America about 1000 BCE. Then the thousands that were killed were laid together in heaps and covered with dirt which would explain the mound building that was prevalent in Ohio Valley. They did find giants seated in a circle in a sitting position

23:55 But there were also bodies that were just heaped and buried, you know dirt thrown on top of them because there we're so many. Right when you got these this many bodies and they're giants You can't really dig a hole that big So they would just throw dirt on top of them And some of these mounds might just be giant death pits for these Giants right? Because they weren't so large I mean if you have 100,000 bodies how in the world are you going to bury everyone yeah Yeah, and that David Cusick story is very consistent with the other stories. I think there's another one you wrote about James A Jones was talking about the Lenni Lenape tribe? They have a similar story, I believe? The Lenni Lenape were the Delaware basically that came from Pennsylvania they went into Ohio and what's really strange is my maiden name is Anderson And my whole life I was told we were

24:50 descended from Chief William Anderson of the Delaware's who founded Anderson. At that time it was called Andersontown, and they were Delaware Indians and they lived along the banks of the White River but they lived right where the mounds were so that showed that the ancient tribes and then more modern tribes would both sometimes you know find themselves at the same spots to make their villages Wow, so you have a personal interest in all this. Well it's always been the story that I was told from everybody in my family but I've not been able to verify it because for one thing if you didn't take money from the government and were Native American you were not on their rolls what they call the Indian Rolls and so my grandfather was farmer and his land was just

25:45 on the tip of an Indian reservation where the Delaware's were forced to go to when they were forced out of Indiana in the early 1800s. And pictures of him, he is very dark skinned so I still have to wonder if that is a true story? It's just so fascinating how many things we have to figure out. So many different aspects, so many cultures have been dominated and their stories go by the wayside it's a seriously sad thing. Well another point is that we were never told in the history books that virtually all of the explorers who came to The New World

26:25 Met these giants saw them they knew about them and that was also in South America Vespucci Magellan Coronado de Soto Sir Francis Drake They all wrote about their encounters with the Giants after they left went back to Europe. Yeah, I saw that in your article too I was wondering do we do you know any details about these encounters because he should be some pretty high-profile people talking about things Well, I haven't read any of course because how you find that information would be difficult because it's so old. But I imagine they pretty much kept their distance when they would see these giants because they were not necessarily friendly

27:11 You know, they find a lot of copper jewelry. They did work with jewelry and you know just like the Egyptians, a lot of the things that they made were Egyptian-like I mean very...I can't even tell you how detailed it was almost well actually they probably would have had to have some machinery to do it I saw one plate that was a square, and it looked like it was four flying saucers in the sky beaming down to the ground. And on the ground was an eye—like the eye that you see with the Egyptian symbols? Mm-hmm. All of the lines were so precise that the human hand couldn't have done it!

27:52 So that's all a mystery as to how they would have done that. But I haven't personally read any of the specific encounters with the explorers, but uh...I would imagine it was a little scary to come upon somebody that was proportionally built and see its not just the fact that they may be nine feet ten feet tall, it was at their bodies were as big to match that. So you can imagine what that would have looked like in front of a five foot or six foot man. Right, like the Incredible Hulk! Exactly so I imagine they kept their distance and i imagine that there were some incidences where the explorers and their men were attacked you know? I can't imagine that wouldn't have happened in all the time that they were coming here but what is surprising

28:45 It seems strange that the Native Americans that were being attacked by these giants could have destroyed them. Because they must have been terrifying to see coming towards you. Right, that is probably the biggest hole in the story for me—that I just can't get my head around how they were able to do that! Yeah and you know...I guess that they just kind of came together to destroy them because, you know if there were 47 million Native Americans here at the time of Columbus there had to be millions here and not maybe so many as the Giants and only in numbers were they able to destroy them I think. Yeah... And maybe-I mean do we know much about the Giant's culture? Maybe they were like really dimwitted or something? Maybe they were huge but maybe that a lot of brawn but not a lot of brights

29:37 Well, I think they were pretty smart to create some of these pieces that I've seen. I don't believe that they were stupid but they didn't seem to be peace lovers at all. Yeah...I think that they were you know warring tribes and to look down on the Native Americans as nothing but food. Of course if they were the giants from the olden days and from the Bible then they considered themselves royalty And their say and their beliefs would, to them be primary over anything anybody else that they were around. Yeah and that would make a lot of sense that they would have this royalty complex this quote-unquote God complex

30:20 Yep, so I think that was part of it. They felt that it was okay to go ahead and kill people for food." Another interesting aspect of it maybe not connected at all or maybe it is but when I was reading about the stories of giants somebody brought up that the 8th president Martin Van Buren he was 400 pounds and 7 feet tall you know? That's not far off from what some of these people are finding No, not at all! You know well...you don't..you don't know If any of them bred with the Native Americans here, that's a possibility. I mean there are giants on earth today! There are some basketball players and people that are seven or eight feet tall so there is a possibility that went into the genes of some people and came out and that is what we're seeing

31:10 A lot of people believe that we were like seeded from the stars, that mankind was developed. And of course the story of the elite from another planet landing on Mount Hermon and using the apes and their own DNA to create man so that they could use them, they think for mining gold and for other slave labor. So if you think that's where they came from originally then you don't know how they departed not really Yeah, you're totally right. They could have just left instead of all being completely wiped out or they could have gone underground we hear about beings that live in underground cities or alliances with ET races that take place and an underground facilities And there may be some did survive maybe they're just not walking around

32:00 Exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of little clippings of newspaper articles where giant skeletons were found and one of the places that seems funny to me is Brooklyn because you think of Brooklyn as being covered with buildings and everything but yet they did an excavation and found giant skeletons there So, thousands were found on Catalina Island and those were measured to be quite tall. Those were displayed in a museum for awhile but no longer and you don't know where those bones went except for all the ones that were gathered up by the Smithsonian.

32:42 Right and another one of my personal favorite stories about Giants that I've been told is apparently takes place in Death Valley some guys discovered an entire underground what they called an underground city, and They found it backed up into some canals like they had a port for ships And they found some giant skeletons down there with armor on and had some spears and weaponry I would just think, wow metal armor that sounds pretty recent. You know that doesn't sound all super super ancient." Well they were able to make you know work with metal that's for sure and i'm sure you know the weapons that they made of course would be suited to the size of their body so you could imagine that maybe a normal-sized man wouldn't ever be able to use it for that

33:37 they would be too heavy. Well, you know another thing is the timeline of when they were here. There is an article in the New York Times and it was published July of 1916 and if I can read part of it to you? Sure! It's strange because it says scientists an earth relics of Indians who lived 700 years ago. Now they're talking about giants living on this continent only 700 years ago instead of thousands of years ago, it said Professor A B Skinner at the American Indian Museum and other professors who have been conducting researches along the valley of the Susquehanna have uncovered an Indian mound at Tioga Point on that upper portion of Queen Esther's Flats

34:40 on what is known as the Murray Farm, a short distance from Sayre, Pennsylvania. Okay in the mound uncovered were found the bones of 68 men which are believed to have been buried 700 years ago. The average height of these men was 7 feet while many were much taller Further evidence of their gigantic size was found in large celts or axes hewed from stone and buried in the grave. On some of the skulls, two inches above the perfectly formed forehead were protuberances of bone. Members of the expedition say that it is a first discovery of its kind on record and a valuable contribution to the history of early races. The skull and few bones found in one grave were sent to the American Indian Museum."

35:26 Now, they're saying it's the first discovery of its kind. Maybe they were related to the protuberances but all kinds of these skeletons were being dug up in the late 1800s and The New York Times knew that because they published the accounts Yeah, it is just so interesting you and you did say that even Asia and Africa have their own giant history that has been discovered and covered up. And those are probably the two areas where I've heard about at the least do we have any details about giants found in Asia? Well

36:01 They've been found all over the world. In China, they've been found in Africa. In Africa to back up the belief that man was bred as slaves to these giant beings there were terraces for growing food enough to feed all those thousands of slaves that they had to feed while they were mining gold There's other people that dispute that we were made to mine gold, but most of them do not dispute the fact that we were developed. We are put together from DNA from those beings from the stars with the giant apes that were here and there was this experimentation going on until they found a

36:49 being that they could control enough to teach, to do these chores that they wanted them to do. And so in Africa you still have the plateaus that were hand-built that were used for growing all of the food it took to feed all of its slaves. It backs it up! It backs this story up? Well there's a lot that backs it up and more and more is being found every day, things that we again were never taught like there are pyramids in Romania that they're now investigating as you know having some sort of electromagnetic powers that probably the pyramids had at one point or they still do and we just haven't discovered it. But I mean everyday there's something out there new. I try to tell my granddaughter some of these stories

37:42 she's not going to see them in her history books. And I think it's important that, you know we all still stay open to this there are some people that will oh poo-poo they don't want to hear it because it's too much to try to incorporate into what we've been taught Right. As we're going through these stories, it seems like if a series of successful slave rebellions is at the heart of this history then that of course is something they'd want to cover up you don't want that history to repeat right exactly It's a fascinating topic an amazing mystery I did want to ask you about some of your other pieces was there anything you wanted to add To the the giant saga before he moved on to some of these other things

38:23 Well, unless you want to hear a couple of clippings about when the people did find the skeletons what they found. Absolutely! Absolutely! Okay well again here's proof The New York Times published story in July of 1891 it was called Mr Jefferson Cyclops it was a giant skeleton unearthed at Buzzards Bay and this was Buzzard's Bay Massachusetts It says, Joseph Jefferson the actor has made an astonishing find on the summer place where he purchased here near that of ex-president Cleveland. In laying out the grounds and making alterations it became necessary to remove a sand hill of large size

39:07 The workmen while doing this found the skeleton of a man that filled them with astonishment from its great size. When an attempt was made to lift up the skeleton, it crumbled away all except the skull. A workman lay down by the side of it however and it was estimated that it must have belonged to a man at least 6'5 or six inches in height." The most peculiar thing was brought to light, however when the skull was taken to Mr. Jefferson and by him examined it was like an ordinary skull only larger except that it had as far as could be seen no place where the eyes had been there was only one hole in the center of the forehead that might have once served for an eye this led Mr. Jefferson to believe he had perhaps discovered a skeleton of a cyclops

39:54 he said to mister booth who was paying him a visit when he saw the wonderful skull that he and his brother actor had a chance at hand to play hamlet with that's called i'm assuming we're talking about john wilkes-booth such as it is uh... had never been played with before all this kept scientific gentleman in the neighborhood have been unable to give an explanation of the skull as were mr jefferson and mister booth Mr. Jefferson will no doubt be glad to receive suggestions from men of science that may throw light on the matter." Wow! Now, another thing that we haven't talked about were about these skulls... Okay, the reason they know that they are not human is because they had a fifth plate like human skulls have four plates but these all had five. Interesting

40:41 And the skulls were also elongated in the back, you know... supposedly because maybe they had a bigger brain or something. This has been explained by some scientists as just an effect of cradle boarding where the parents would wrap a baby's skull until it was elongated but because of the fact that it has that fifth plate they know these skulls just Both of them grew that way. And so they had not just the fact that they were tall, but they looked different than humans. When L.A. Marzulli went to Peru all of his skulls had a fifth plate none of them have only four and therefore you know that was part if he's evidence that he was dealing with something beyond human. That is so interesting! Did you want read us another one of those clippings?

41:40 Yes, I just kind of was trying to hold on to those so that i could do that for you. Awesome! There's so many here let's see if I can... So many in the Ohio Valley of course the Great Mounds in Ohio now here are the little newspaper clipping from Anderson Indiana part of it is here It says, found skeletons eight feet tall. While excavating in a gravel pit at Anderson Indiana workmen unearthed half-a dozen skeletons most of which were 8 feet tall and over one in particular was that of a man of giant stature and all were far above the height up tall persons two other skeletons where those have women In the graves are found pieces of pottery such as we're unknown by the Indians

42:23 which leads to the conclusion that the bones are those of people of prehistoric race. Two bodies were found close to an ancient mound." Also in Connersville, Indiana? "...while Sexton Charles Ryman was digging a grave in the city cemetery he came upon the skeleton of a monster man... It had been buried in a sitting posture with its face to the east and was only about three feet below the surface. The remains indicated that the being of which this was once a part, was a veritable giant probably nine feet in height. The femur bone is about yard long and the massive under jaw is much larger than that of an ordinary man. It is supposed to be that bones were those of the Indian or mound builder."

43:06 So sometimes when the people would find these skulls, they would actually take them and place them over their own heads. And the skulls were so large that they fit over the human head completely like a hat! Wow, like a helmet? Right. And also the fact that the jaws were considerably wider and larger might have had something to do with the fact that it needed to be if they were eating people I love hearing these stories because they report them so matter-of-factly Like their not discovering one of the craziest things ever You know, there must be thousands of these articles because they're just everywhere. Here's one from February 11th 1902 in the New York Times, Archaeologists to send expedition to explore graveyards in New Mexico where bodies were unearthed

44:00 Owing to the discovery of the remains of a race of giants in Guadalupe, New Mexico, antiquarians and archaeologists are preparing an expedition to further explore that region. This determination is based on the excitement that exists among people of scope of country near Mesa Rico about 200 miles southeast of Las Vegas where an old burial ground has been discovered that has yielded skeletons of enormous size." Luciana Quintana, on whose ranch the ancient burial plot is located discovered two stones that bore curious inscriptions and beneath these were found in shallow excavations the bones of a frame that could not have been less than 12 feet in length. The men who opened the graves say the forearm was four feet long and that in a well-preserved jaw the lower teeth range from the size of a hickory nut to that of the largest walnut in size."

44:55 The chest of the being is reported as having a circumference of 7 feet. around the chest. Quintana, who has uncovered many other burial places expresses the opinion that perhaps thousands of skeletons of a race of giants long extinct will be found this supposition is based on the traditions handed down from the early Spanish invasion that have detailed knowledge of the existence of a race of giants that inhabited the plains of what is now eastern New Mexico Indian legends and carvings also in the same section indicate the existence of such a race. So right there it says these Spanish explorers knew about these giants." Man, yeah! And not only did they have to cover up all the bodies but all their art and culture and tools and pottery...it's all gone

45:47 And you wonder who has that? I mean, copper is so expensive today. Many other things all had to do with copper their jewelry, their tools and that sort of thing. To melt down copper... You just wonder how they did these if they were not intelligent and like i said the artwork done on some of these was so specific as to be done with a machine. It really didn't look possible that they were made just by hand. Yeah, it's like some early form of the Men in Black went around the whole planet and just wiped it all away!

46:28 Maybe they've existed since long, long ago. Exactly. And so it throws the light on all of what we've been told in our history books and the ancient history of where man came from, and who he really are. I guess the truest knowledge today would have to just be preserved in the oral traditions of some of these Indian tribes, I would guess right? And what's strange is they all tell the same story about these giants, all of the tribes from east to west across the country. They all have the same story about them and how they were destroyed

47:15 And we have like, you know regular Americans- Europeans have almost no oral tradition. I just don't ever hear about that and here we are You just told us a story that was came out of a newspaper in 1902 and just little over 100 years later Everybody be completely surprised by that if the internet didn't come around these secrets would never be unearthed I don't think so. Without the Internet having all this information here, other than the fact that I listen to the radio station that does put a lot of information out there... but if I didn't listen to that one how would I ever know any of this? And then the Smithsonian

47:54 seem to want to come forward and answer any questions about this. There was one man during the period of time that most of these skeletons were being discovered, and thatís because we were pioneers and we were building houses, they were buried so shallowóyou know three feet. You would find the bones at three feet only. uh... and there was one man that would make in the decision what with being done with these bones most of them were just gathered up you know they would come out impact on the way put him on a train and send them back he's been then from their most of them disappeared

48:35 And like I said, you know, I read many accounts as to people seeing the bones being loaded onto barges and taken out to the Atlantic because they simply had no other place to put them. They had so many! They were digging these up left and right. Wisconsin, Minnesota, the entire Ohio Valley, the South... The South wasn't left out of it. ...and California. I mean they were everywhere You know, it was funny because there were tons of museums that were created to display these bones back then. But then they would finally close down because it was old news to people once they went and saw them and heard about so many others being dug up. From then when the museums closed maybe people kept the bones themselves or thrown away

49:30 again, the Smithsonian coming out and saying can we please have the bones to do some experimentation on to find out where they came from and all that sort of thing. But then they would never receive their bones back so all this knowledge went east it went to the East Coast but I'm sure that there will be, like we still find dinosaur bones. I don't think it's too late that we could still find some of these in today...like you say in today's age unless we cover them all up." Right well I mean I'm sure if we unearthed Cahokia Mounds they'd be right there! Oh I'm sure! That to me is like the most obvious case of hidden-in-plain-sight But this is a thing through that new law that prevents our

50:19 archaeologists from going into these burial places. We won't get to do that, but the thing is no American Indian tribe can claim those bones because these giant bones came from thousands of years before so that law shouldn't apply but it is preventing the archaeologist from exploring further Just like in Anderson, Indiana. There might be more giant bones there that they haven't discovered but because the Delaware's came in and stayed in that same area and have burials of their own people there

51:02 They would have to ask permission of the Delaware Indians to dig any place there But who has you can't ask the giant race because they're no longer here Right, right and if they're buried in the same area. They're protected under this one layer but you're really trying to get to something completely different in the same ground right So it all makes it difficult, but it just seems backward and why Congress passed that? I just don't know except for the fact that maybe like there's the people out there that don't want this information divulged because okay we're talking about it today but maybe in 25 years

51:43 you know, it'll be buried again and then it will take that generation to discover for themselves. Oh I totally agree with you! I think thats why in so many...and then applies to so many different areas where secrets are being revealed and that is why the preservation of the free and open internet is the next great fight we're already seeing them trying to creep in and put a lid back on but it is THE most important thing because if they can take the wide open internet and reduce it down to your Hulu, your Netflix, your Facebook, your Twitter and about two dozen sites that everybody kind of uses. Well they've corralled everybody back into their same... They're limited channels of information And we cannot let that happen. No, we can't

52:26 We can't at all. But we could talk about the giants thing forever I did want to move on because you've written some other great pieces too and One of them that I want to get into is about pterosaurs and the idea of modern Pterodactyl like sightings which are probably one of my favorite types of things in the cryptozoology realm, Of all the creatures people are seeing The idea of flying dinosaur-like things Is probably uh...the most far out And wild to me But tell us a little bit about these things. How likely is it that they're still around? Well, it seems like it's very likely because they are being seen there are certain places that they're being seen more in than others like Pennsylvania is ripe for sightings of pterosaurs and I think that mostly that's because it is so forested but

53:19 The weirdest one that I've heard was just maybe four years ago when some people that were on the Phi Freeway here, which is a very busy freeway in California. Yeah! Were outside of Los Angeles and not just one person driving that day but at least two people reported seeing it a flying pterosaur that flew over the freeway And it flew towards hills that have caves in them. So the belief was that maybe we have something here that we didn't know about before, but they're seen everywhere. They're described the same with the hook on top of their head just like you'll read about. The fact they don't have feathers, their wings are leathery. They're very large with a wing span sometimes 15-16 feet

54:12 and some people in Kentucky were standing out on their front porch, and the road was out in front of their house. And they were just standing around talking when one of these creatures flew at a fairly low altitude right past their house that kept going down into the forest. They don't like flap their wings like They fly just like we see them in the movies. You know, where they'll flap and then glide, flap and then glide.

54:50 Mississippi. Some people wonder if they're the original bird that was represented by the Native Americans using the Thunderbird symbol, but then there's others that feel that two things are different—the thunderbirds and the pterodactyls would be two different things—but they're all described the same so it certainly seems like Maybe somehow a few of these have survived past being wiped out during the dinosaur era. Yeah, it's really fascinating thing I love that downtown LA sighting and I love the fact that was just in 2013 because so often we'll have a guest and we get talking about cryptozoology and they'll talk about stories

55:35 from the early 1900s and all things that are long dead for me to experience. And, the idea that it was just a couple years ago I mean...I live in San Diego! I live two hours from that! Well this has been a real blast. I really appreciate your time Before i let you go would you like to remind people where they can read some of these pieces of yours? In full or any other information you'd like to give them maybe contact information Well, the site that the articles are on is DCXPOSED.com Perfect! I'll put a link up with this episode

56:17 to your pieces as well. There are a couple we didn't talk about, serial killer piece that's super interesting but I'll leave that one to the people to go check out on their own. Okay! Thank you You got it again super awesome Well is nice talking and thank you so much for inviting me to talk about these stories It was a lot of fun Absolutely and thanks for doing the work you do take care yourself out there and keep writing about The Weird alright? Okay thank you Boom goes the dynamite my friends. There we have it Hireside Chatters I loved it! I just like having those types of cases and sightings read off It's pretty awesome So, I enjoyed it hope you're still with me

56:56 If you didn't hear the plus show, we spent another 20 minutes on the pterosaur sightings and stories including the underground or cave element of that which of course I love. And then we got into cases from David Politis' work into odd disappearances in national parks Also similar disappearances that come from other sources including tidbits that apparently in 1954 the Air Force told the Pentagon there are atmospheric beings flying around in the sky they can't control And also there's a creepy forest in Puerto Rico where it said people are taken by reptilian beings from underground. Or once an entire group of school kids was apparently taken into another dimension

57:36 Stories of recruiting members of the Eisenhower Mary Magdalene bloodline for secret Mars colony missions and the conspiracy behind the flight 800 crash in 1996. Just an all-around good time, I'm hoping we can increase signups for just a little while on THC+. This is my 30th birthday this month! I'd like to feel like moderate success And only you have that power. And your missing some great stuff! You also do get all the archives too, people ask me that a lot and I just assume with any subscription like this ya gotta get the archives and THC Plus is no different. I'm glad we might've got a couple engaged today, that was great. I also did a couple interviews lately which you can find on my Facebook or Twitter One was a video interview on the beach here in San Diego with Creepy Little Book

58:23 And some of these interviews are better than others. I'm really not used to being on the other side of the mic, but hopefully we're all getting better at our respective crafts. Well, I said this on Facebook already too but it's easy to feel like your goals are so far away you can get paralyzed by an action or stopping one of your addictions like cigarettes or laziness can just seem so daunting that you say screw it and stop trying But you are focused too much on perfection and all you really need is progress So don't be too hard on yourself. Just keep moving that needle forward, but don't be too soft either. You know I've gotten a lot of emails lately asking me for life advice oddly enough should I move to California? Should I quit my job? Should I bike across the country and I know the temptation do not have to take responsibility for our own actions is sometimes so overwhelming that we ask weird stoner radio show hosts on the internet about major life decisions but only you know what you should do

59:19 And there's no getting around making that choice yourself. Just because you put the power in someone else's hands doesn't mean you don't have to deal fully with the consequences, so you might as well enjoy the decision-making process But I think if you're drawn to something whether it's moving or quitting or whatever You're either going to pull the trigger or you're going to be suppressing that desire for quite possibly the rest of your life, depending on how important it is to your life path if you believe in that stuff. And more than likely every minute you wait, you are just torturing yourself. So find the sweet spot between sound decision making and reckless abandon I promise its there! Someone on my Facebook also commented don't steal happiness from tomorrow. I like that...you know? Don't do it

1:00:03 And what's the sense of knowing about the true will or the higher self, Or the debt-based system of rule if you're not going to do something with that information? But easier said than done I understand. Easy for me to say! I'm on the other side now. But come on people... The water is fine jump on in To play us out here is my man Marty Leeds from The Mathemagical Hour and the Gematria show that we did a while back It's a feel good song That almost makes me miss the Midwest But it also reminds me of the Charlie Brown song, which is pleasant. And it's motivating so manifest that reality because the elite might take our giant skeletons but they'll never take our passion or something like that So take care party people I'll see you next time your move Smithsonian your frickin move

1:01:04 Midwestern sun and that drop dead heat The green fields and all the rolling hills Oh baby, won't you take me home? I've been hearing my heartstrings a-rattle I'm back in the saddle and I'm ready to ride The dirty water's been calling me darling Oh baby, won't you take me home? I've been gone five years And it's feeling like a lifetime New But it ain't where my heart resides

1:01:51 I had me some rivers to cross, I had me mountains to climb And they were lessons to learn To make me stronger when I return And sure they hurt the girl but they're meant to hurt sometimes. And I've been missing that Mississippi Midwestern sun and that drop dead heat The green fields and all the rolling hills Oh baby won't you take me home? And here in my heart strings a rattle I'm back in the saddle and ready to ride Dirty water's been calling me darling Oh baby won't you take me home? I got a few friends I miss, some song apology Online, and the last chance for my family. I need me some bitter winter cold I need me twenty inches of snow

1:03:13 And there'll be times when I miss the coast But honey, I know we made the most And raise a toast to ending all I've been missing The Mississippi The Midwestern sun and that drop dead heat The green fields and all the rolling hills Oh baby won't you take me home? I've been hearing my legs are rattle I'm back in the saddle and ready to ride The Dilly water's been calling me darling Oh baby won't you take me home so

1:04:35 I've been missing that Mississippi mud, the Midwestern sun and that drop dead heat. The green fields and all the rolling hills oh baby won't you take me home? I've been hearing my heart strings rattle i'm back in the saddle and i'm ready to ride That dirty water's been calling me darling Oh Baby Won't You Take Me Home