Neil Kramer & Niles Heckman | Transmutation, The Divine Mysteries & The Path Of The Mystic

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03:24 Alright, Hireside Chatters. It's easy to feel disenfranchised with our cog-in-the wheel society and the life sucking empire perched above it draining us spiritually emotionally and in every other sense of the word stifling our innovation and development and filling us with the aggressive indoctrination that if you seek a path outside of normalcy You will no doubt crash and burn However, we still see some people outside of that cage who do seem quite different. Freer, happier, enlightened and at peace... And we hear these outliers telling us that freedom is only a few brave choices away, that the universe rewards the bold and there isn't much holding us back except our own fear. It's a tough message to adopt but there is no denying the persistent call to tear down those cubicle walls, shatter the shackles of the empire and orient our lives towards our true will in the path of esoteric tradition."

04:16 Well, people. Today we're going to try and get the message through your heads one more time as we're joined by two people who know it well—Neil Kramer and Niles Heckman You might remember Neil Kramer from the Higher Side Archives as he was here once before almost five years ago. But for those who don't, Neil is a philosopher, teacher and esotericist. His work focuses on spirituality, mysticism and metaphysics. He is also a faculty member at the Omega Institute in New York where he teaches spiritual philosophy, mysticism, esoteric studies and self-development Today, in a rare trilogue for this show we're also joined by Niles Heckman. A talented filmmaker and documentarian who has worked on several projects in line with the spiritual path including his episodic series Shamans of the Global Village

05:04 Together, they've just released a new documentary entitled Transmutation. Written and narrated by Neil and directed by Niles, Transmutation is a documentary about becoming your best self, rejecting the empire, discovering the beauty and dangers of the hidden spiritual path, and hearing from those who have transformed themselves by walking it. Two individuals aligned with the esoteric champions of the divine mysteries in the one-two punch of transmutations, Neil & Niles! Welcome to The Higher Side Thank you. It's great to be with you, thank you. Hot damn dude another triumphant Carlit introduction which will transcend all space and time. I appreciate that it's all part of my nine-to-five at this point but thanks for being here guys i am really hoping we can conspire to light the fire under some people so to speak because

05:53 Because that really does seem to be the theme of the film. If you're sick of the routine, if the pre-approved path is leaving you empty and unfulfilled then look over here at this new path of self discovery and true will it might sound scary but come on in! The water's fine And I think that's exactly the kind of message people need to hear especially now because at least in my opinion not only is the conventional rat race life unfulfilling It's also kinda breaking down But, Neil let me have you tell the fine folks at home a bit about the film and its usefulness for the disenfranchised. Well it is a film that we created over a little while to be something of beauty and something of substance so whatever your views and whatever your personal philosophy in politics

06:42 Yes stay in life and yeah demographic group whatever you can. Sweep that aside to some extent i'm just see it as a thing of beauty, anything your substance not was really our chief goal instead of just trying to get some great doctor across awesome giant manifesto it was very simple the behind it was very very simple And of course within that we do want to share a lot of views about society and about normality and individualism versus collectivism, all this kind of stuff. Niles and I both have artistic appreciation for beauty and philosophically i would say that beauty has a relationship with truth so usually when you're looking at something beautiful or listening to something truly beautiful

07:32 is a an echo of truth in it so we attempted to our own pro amateur amateur pro what type of way, get all our resources together and i was still sets which we both exercise the various professional fields and make up truly independent film. that would encapsulate those things and as you said in your introduction which thank you for your thoughtful and poetic wording on that was really lovely but the film is really about people who leave normal at varying stages some have just begun to do it which you'll see when you look some we've been doing it for a while since we've been doing it for a long time

08:15 And that's what it's about, is saying that normal is essentially a false construct. And what we think of as normal is really the reverse, its abnormal You know the film's very open It leads everybody in at whatever stage they're at Its a very welcoming film for the beginner But it also has filled with a lot of codes secrets juicy things for the more advanced metaphysical human. So we wanted it to appeal to everybody at all different stages of development Well, cheers to that. Yeah leaving normal what a great term and Niles I'm a bit new to your work but there's a real synergy to it It seems like transmutation shamans of the global village Tara incognito which explains the hidden landscape or the mind itself tell us a bit about your body of work in the themes that seem to weave really through all of it

09:15 Yeah well you know in the land of personal development i found a recent years that i get great benefit from using my creative projects as the vehicles for learning and internal transformation and of course will talk more about transportation is well but. You have been working hollywood on big budget movies as well as game cinematics and high end commercials i was ultimately doing technician work, being demonstrably underutilized within that industry right just like, many of our slave jobs reduce these divine beings and excellence into compartmentalize worker robots. You know not to mention the fact that you're in this inevitable corporate area hyper competitive is a ladder climbing and he goes which especially entertainment fields are very low resonance and results in people that don't really have much internal development deciding what projects get created

10:06 Thus, those projects have little to no underlying significance in terms of real novelty or creativity. They're not always but usually these kind of steaming turds wrapped in shiny exterior sparkly wrap superficialness right? What's under the hood is not really there but it has a beauty and an excellence to it on the outside that's kinda like the baby pool right? It's very shallow so I wanted to start creating things that were better than that I knew that i had to do that from outside the system so you know interesting enough i was on a life growth path coming out of a role in this kind of tertiary part of the film industry. Working on very famous projects no academy award winning projects but i didn't want to do that anymore anyway because there is things where i wasn't a creative force behind it and i knew that ultimately i wasn't doing something that was my own thing just like you've done with the show great you get so much for filming creating your own thing,

10:55 And it was, you know first a series of things but I found myself through life putting myself in an alignment where i could engage my will to reach out to people that are more spiritual divine excellence such as things that might be in the realm of alchemy or shamanism or mysticism or magic. You know something that we might call people that are working to align themselves with great work and I found that documentary was a nice way to do that because of course, just like things that are real versus what's not real and we'll talk more about documentaries can highlight. It's a medium that allows that to be highlighted so it was kind of leaning towards things with more esoteric and occult meaning which you know even though our inevitably going to be more obscure they have much deeper substance

11:37 That was kind of the way that I initially got there. And then, you know we can talk about how Neil and I kind of connected up to do that. Right? That was really going to be one of my next questions for ya is the process of making this film it seemed like quite a long time in the making multiple years but how did you guys come together to get this thing done yeah i mean there's a huge disconnect between projects of hierarchical structures in the entertainment industry just like what you might see from a professional record label which may look good or sound good vs what you might see. From hollywood quote unquote with big budgets but again there's nothing under the hood and

12:15 Over the last ten years of the internet come about and you know even though it's twenty years old there's been a lot more interesting things that are not on the internet better real philosophical depth and substance but there is a lot more good things that are able to be access now with the internet so i would see these independently made videos that might see online from independent researchers that were exploring all sorts of interesting things like what's alternate spatial models in the universe or like an Alan Watts lecture or Egyptologists that were looking at ancient civilizations from more of a third eye perspective versus the kind of conventional Egyptologist who don't really know anything about Ancient Egypt.

12:51 Many of these things that you find on let's say anywhere on the internet they may look cheap and poor. And you have the same quality that something our moms would shoot on their cell phone but i'm very like expensive things to say right so, on the other side of that we see tons of professional high end big budget workout there from its directors are filmmakers or producers which is visually stunning but again has little to nothing to say about especially being the spiritual beings and there's a gazillion avenues that can track all out from that concept so i started separation between these two right where it's like i'd love to make something that has at least some level of comparable production value, and mix that with some of the actual depth of somebody independent researchers are some of these people know what they're doing about ancient wisdom.

13:37 So the goal is to kind of synergize higher production values which my background was in, synergistically allowing me... Which kind of in my life synchronistically I should say allowed me to have this special skill set where I could do projects independently that had much deeper occult and alchemical and spiritual philosophic substance. So when collaborating with somebody I was going to essentially propose and offer a free documentary film to somebody so then the question became well who do I do that with? I had read Philip K. Dick's book, Valis and in Valis he repeatedly mentions this kind of concept of the empire never ending And through my interest in science fiction and knowing that there was more depth on the page usually than on the screen, I think when you kind of start digging into this concept of empire especially from a modern perspective and what it does to reduce beings that are product of a system of containment like that. I think as you start looking at alternate fields inevitably leads you certain people's material and Neil is such a world expert on this concept i think so that inevitably led me to neil's work he was very much perfect person to collaborate with order

14:40 Help bring this project into manifestation. I love what you're saying, i definitely think that is the sweet spot alternative media has a long history with poor production quality and it's really nice to try to bridge that gap and so kind of what you were saying before leads us right into part one of the film which is separation To me it really lays out how you kind of have no choice but to pursue your true will and that esoteric path of the mysteries. Because when you profile the system for what it is, cold exploitive dishonest empty and fulfilling That all helps make the journey less intimidating because option A option normal

15:20 becomes no option at all. And so I guess, Neil having written the film was that kind of the thinking get people to properly profile the empire and its system? So that you realize you really have no choice but to move forward? Yeah. Again, thank you for that thoughtful angle on it which I totally agree with in the same way that Niles has brought a very professional balance precise skill set to produce high production values for an indie project i wanted to do my best to do my best which is provide reason and sense and a bit of prudence and judiciousness to the message so very often if you're speaking sir, the uninitiated. The people sat on the fence they were thinking about something but perhaps like the confidence or

16:14 insights of what to do about it in my experience if you have a ranting frothing voice, i'll be conspiracy type show and we won't name any names but we all know the top four or five dudes are. It's a big turn off that it turns a lot of good people away so i wanted it gives me a certain degree of satisfaction speak to the initiated those who know i have great discourse with them that's definitely a satisfying thing. What is me even more satisfaction just speak to those who are fresh and new but no somethings wrong invite them in words and say look, this system is messed up in a really serious way by design it's not throwing competence all the humans adjust somehow

17:08 irretrievably flawed it's set up to contain human beings not to lift and elevate but the opposite of that we won't go into that in tremendous detail in the film but we definitely show it all the key elements. There is no five seconds of the film are not carefully thought out so every few frames every few scenes We spent a lot of time thinking about the symbolism, the music, the light, the color everything. The relationship between sound and image in the world everything so we acknowledging that there's a problem for part of the film and then offering solutions for the rest of the film but as you say it has this three act structure which is pretty typical in filmmaking but we found it fits perfectly with ours too

18:00 adopted that model of separation, of searching and a reunion which is a classical journey for any human who is alive to the spiritual truth of themselves. It's very difficult and harrowing painful separation which is you realize you can't be a villager like all the other villagers. You have to go on a sort of pilgrimage, a journey of spiritual importance and danger and beauty all mixed up together so you have to leave the safety of certainty in their routines and traditions at the village that may have been comforting at one time

18:43 But when you realize that, that village is not helping. You have to leave it so that separation phase I think if somebody watches that first 15-20 minutes or whatever and gets that then we've got them they're going to think right i know what you're talking about guys and we believe Neil We believe Niles we understand that were on their side there on our side we get it So if somebody gets that first part they are Pursue that journey and feel the somebody who gets it from the other angle i'm not saying no. It's a classical old story what we bring you to where is the way i describe it the way niles depicts set, play different musicians that we collaborated with depends on which unique in our day so although somebody could talk about this fifty years ago or five hundred years go exactly the same

19:41 wisdom essentially the unique components of the day this man neal, niles this manual of these guys that we worked with the men and women who were in the phone with us different people we talk to. And of the circumstances of our culture today make it unique, special. There's nothing like it right now because there can't be. It's unique because of those people at this moment in time so we're telling a tale of awakening which so many people have done but with telling it with just in my view far more impact because it sincerely reaches out to the audience and says look

20:26 This is so simple to do, but you must move through this painful separation first. And if we can convince you to at least entertain that idea then I think you'll find something valuable." So yeah that's what we were trying to do Cheers to that. Yeah, it's the hero's journey. It's familiar but different. Absolutely yeah. Somewhere embedded in us all and just waiting to come out and I think this is a good catalyst to jog it loose. And Neil I was going to ask you this so when I talked to you on the show here five years ago I was trying to make this work. It was in its infancy

21:05 But I was still struggling at a job. I hated, I'd have inspirational guys like you and Duncan Trussell and Daniele Bolelli on and it would be like a broken record of me asking for some magical answer or for someone to hold my hand or do it for me. And the reality is that I had heard all the advice And I had all the information that I needed, but number one it's a process and it takes time. But number two, I think a lot of us get stuck in the education phase and we're afraid to move on to the action phase." Is that something you think is a major stumbling block for people? Yeah, I appreciate your candor and sincerity in those remarks as well because initially people are looking for a piece of knowledge to fix this situation

21:52 and there isn't any such thing, no such thing exists. The fix to the situation spiritually is to understand a very difficult thing which is the self that we made is a load of shit and it was made to mitigate pain and so the separation phase which alchemically we call nigredo blackening is a deconstructive phase or if you like tarot, might think of it as the tower card where something that you think was good that you spent a long time building must be destroyed. And that's a tough thing even when you've got a big heart and you're doing something awesome, making a good radio show, making a good film, writing a book, putting on conference meeting with men an women even when our hearts are in the right place

22:47 we still have to go through that deconstructive phase or what in the old Latin language you would call putrefactio. You have to break it down, like a tree is broken down when it falls and eventually putrefies back into the ground but its essence can never be destroyed and what comes from it is better and stronger so yeah there's a point where you have to say What the cultural wall that we have at the moment between individualism and collectivism is a spiritual conflict it says, so no matter which way you look at it you can't campaign for a retarded political candidate of any persuasion because they don't get it there's no wisdom is no leadership. There's no depth there's no attainment so the invitation is to your own transformation or your own transmutation

23:46 The difference between those two words is that a transformation is a gradual movement, refinement and incremental change. A transmutation is where something new comes from that change so you're actually generating something that previously did not exist and so it has a transcendent sort of intonation within it So is a film about change essentially the whole film is about people who leave normal and find something substantial an excellent. I'm not done has a knock on effect for understanding empire understanding your sexuality understand your family, understand in the world environment ecosystem nutrition everything everything everything

24:34 What it begins with that initial deconstruction phase so that's a perfect example of the multi layered element to the phone for the new coma is like you walking around nature we talk to some people nice film. For the more thoughtful student is waiting minutes like a structure here there's a lot being shown to us and you can see even in not three acts structure separation searching reunion were also present in alchemical processes to invite the viewer to look out of, make radio i'll be done with which is just old language for blackening whitening and reddening. Which is deconstructing something that you thought was good this actually garbage oneself created something from purification

25:26 and forging a new self made out of that purification, that is true. And that process is about 30 years if you took somebody from let's say 10 year old and spent that 30 year with them through the initiatory esoteric procedure it's about 3 decades work before they become okay So it's a long process along long process and throughout the film you see that processed depicted. In nature so always look carefully at the trees to sun the moon the water and you will say that we constantly referencing not process again example of the, layered mess up the phone which we don't wanna disrespect anybody when i try to trick anybody

26:14 We do want to speak to all comers on equal faith and trust, but we want to also acknowledge that those who have walked the path a little longer and have done a decent amount of work on themselves. We want to give them something valuable as well so those who have learned how to interpret symbolism will say that we're acknowledging that greater depth also Just add to that great i mean we know what the lines for the film is powered by my heart and will those stages are so important because. Obviously i'm mine is what we think in our heart is what we feel and then are will is actually what we do. And just like neil says you can spend decades and some of those stages you know there's people listening to this podcast that, no the old system is rubbish but they're still very much part of it doing their own internal thoughts as to what they can do to maneuver out of it or live life a better way and they feel that need to move beyond that

27:09 there's very much a male female balance in that were a lot of men are very mind centered and women are very heart center and to move to the will we can think it is. The eastern perspective on like the shocker ladder is from base up to high ground chakra but western perspective on that could be thought of as from the mine down to the heart down to the wheel which is really engagement area so, When i hear something like your show great which is a really great showing you're people compliment you want just the general tone of the show shows that your heart isn't really good place with the way that you are proposing this material right because, what else does anyone need names but we all know and guess and had guests on.

27:46 Have very sad tones or very mean angry tones and they're very mad at themselves are very sad of themselves So your tone is a huge part of your heart engagement And it's beautiful for you as a broadcaster to reference something that happened in your life comparing yourself from your five years ago version to Your version now because it's really really powerful to get guests to talk about Themselves rather than just doing endless research about conspiratorial shit, and then not actually ever using themselves as the vehicle for transmutation right because Like we were talking about in the film, mysticism is very much direct and it's about you doing things. So even though we're all students and we're on some level of path and never achieving mastery, it's really really beautiful to hear personal stories that people are using themselves as will engaging to change things. It is Niles I'm glad he said that Greg let me just add another addendum onto this. Sure. Niles just said something that made feel something that I have to say

28:41 The personal journey is central to the spiritual stream, i.e., what is really nourishing? What is true? What is transformational and the funny thing about when you put media out on a regular basis whether it's audio, its written, its visual whatever it is that the viewer or listener gets to track the development of the person so I bet you see regular list of love greg carl do not like my every now and again one of those people enjoy your work. Will email me say i've been listening for years is so good in the senior change,

29:25 I've seen your development i've seen what's happened to you and it's just great to see how the show the program the films that this is that have evolved over time it's really quite precious. I get those emails too sometimes people will say really funny things like yeah i followed you for ages and, no you had a good heart but you were addicted at the beginning of it was pretty on sophisticated and we said a lot of silly things but i could feel your authenticity. And then as you gone through the years you find yourself you made yourself a more like i say i'm all balanced person you have greater equilibrium but in that equilibrium and this is a great compliments somebody gave me the day in my equilibrium you haven't become

30:10 diluted in fact you become more fierce i'm all piercing because you can now focus on what counts to your own failures and your own success is not afraid to get it wrong cannot afraid sir. Next step which is always the sign of wisdom And I see that in all of this work is that our greatest gift is actually not the media we produce, but it's the sharing of ourselves. It's the sharing of Greg and Niles which is even more important than the media that has produced Me Too! And that becomes then a funny kind of document as our own life through the media So I see that in this film too In that no only us myself and Niles obviously have been two people instrumentally making it

31:01 About 50 other people as well, perhaps 10 of them in particular 5 of them in particular but a buncha great people. their life you can actually see the track of it in this film to some extent and then when you meet those people, I'm doing an event in Omega September 7th-9th Radiant Shadow is called. If somebody comes to that you'll meet some of these people and you'll see oh yeah that's the guy from this thing or that's the woman from this thing how they've changed even since that was made how they refined now become deeper warmer clearer stronger

31:39 The most inspirational thing is that tracking of the attainment, which is just blood sweat and tears. So the knowledge is there sure there's a lot of cool stuff that will say somebody could sit down with a notepad in this film make a bunch of wonderful notes and things to go research check out But my advice is don't do that at first. It definitely rewards repeated viewing this film, but at first just get the feeling of it. Get the feeling that this is honestly real people who are changing themselves. Some have just begun some have been doing it for a little while and some have been doing it for ages

32:16 I'm not gonna suggest who those are, but you can tell when you look at it. Sometimes the age of the person is an indication but not always some young people surprise you small people surprise you in different ways what is evolution of the people to me as well most inspirational in this journey And also a good measure for that or just barometer for that is to look back at your previous body of work and feel absolutely completely embarrassed at times. So you know like when we talk about your earliest episodes in this podcast, Greg, or something like I have a little podcast too that I put behind the paywall because the first 60 some episodes I'm kind of embarrassed by and it's very very healthy right where

32:56 Absolutely look back at your old stuff and somewhat just throw it in the trash can and reboot, and not be afraid to reboot. And start over. It's never too late like Neil says even if you're 50 years old working at the same job it's never too late to really start moving, to start internal adjusting Well said and I appreciate the kind words guys i mean you're right in those early days is a lot of frustration and desperation. In my voice and embarrassingly enough it's all on the record so there it is but, no in terms of film being heavily layered and it being kinda been initiation process of its own i definitely appreciate esoteric and exoteric at and the value of that as a learning process

33:42 and how it might have even come to be back in the day when it was kind of developed. But that's one thing, you know we see the value of it as a teaching tool but we also look at society today and everything seems flipped. The exoteric what's projected out there is just lies. It doesn't seem like a simplified version of truth like tradition might have had in the beginning. It seems like this tool of exoteric-esoteric is completely used against us, and we sometimes think about conspiracies and secrets and then we equate it back to that process and those types of thinkers. And that might not be

34:20 accurate that might be flawed thinking but what can you say about that mechanism and how it's applied today versus in the past and how to parse out the positive from the negative that can be contained within this tool? Yeah, pass is an excellent word by the way. I used that myself yesterday and thought what a lovely word so i'm definitely using that again because you just said it thank you for that point sir. Pass... To me is to show the example of the intelligence services as organizations that have an esoteric and exoteric element. If you think about the FBI or perhaps more specifically, the CIA, the NSA, and then like the British MI6, MI5, Israeli Mossad, Russian KGB, and so on and so forth those organizations have an element within them

35:18 which is designed to protect national interests, to protect their nation against foreign threats by identifying information and having trade in that information. Eliminating things bolstering things based on that flow of secrets and then if you push the out non-military, non national things such as Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry maybe Theosophy you know things like that. You've got another kind of group where they have a similar structure which is it's supposed to be to protect the interests of the group through the knowledge they have to say how can we strengthen humankind knowing essentially a great secret of the work is that most human beings want to be told what to do

36:18 don't want to think for themselves and that in my view is going to remain that way for a very, very long time. So you then have an interesting dilemma which is how do you respectfully help those who want to be told what to do? So many esoteric groups the way they grapple with that challenge as they say well let us offer the pathway to initiation to everybody it's a little bit like say in martial arts, in karate different grades which are depicted by the belt that you wear around your karate gi, you know your uniform and you start with a white belt and go on through green belts and black belts and all the rest of it. The belt depicts where you're up to but the fact that you've got a belt on is what matters it doesn't perhaps matter so much what colour it is at first as that you're all there doing this work

37:13 What the path of initiation is open to everybody so when you go to a good organization which i've been too many over my life, everybody is given the same respect and the same access to resources and fellowship and brotherhood. As everyone else and I am not a member of any organization have never been amazing and it would pay for all kinds of different reasons but I've met many such groups, many great Masonic groups. I spoke at a Masonic temple in Portland in 2012 they opened the doors to everyone and say loads and loads of people came saw me speak very progressive modern super cool esoteric lodge down there and they were great, they were great buncha guys and lot of people came up to me said wow this isn't the spooky weird shit that I thought it was these guys are like cool and interesting and actually looking for something substantial

38:09 However, that same infrastructure for the intelligence services and fraternal esoteric organisations is the perfect cover for skullduggery. So if you're Empire, the first thing you must do is seize Assets and elements cells within those intelligence services and within those. Fraternal and so terry cordis which has been done now for at least let's say twenty five thousand years in the src record is that leased, i'm not least the last century

38:50 Of the intelligence services in the ones that were after that usually had prior forms so all the time you running with these. Three elements side by side the same organizations have black cats guys white hats good guys and gray hat people who transact right now some wrongness for a fee And that makes everything very complicated. So when you're analyzing the deep state, the empire and you're looking at how it works there is an analog in esotericism and there is a free masonic element of great evilness

39:31 But it isn't Freemasonry itself, it's the infrastructure of it that has been used to hide something. So you always have to be very careful to distinguish between the two – the structure how it was formed who made and why and those who have adopted that structure for nefarious purposes so if you can distinguish between the 2 there is no problem Yeah, not kind of extended saying i'm having eyes to see and ears to hear doesn't it because you know most people are good people but the consciousness in a lot of people that we might know who wouldn't be listening to a podcast like this is so low. That they're just watching only the exoteric which is probably ninety nine plus percent of what's presented to them and that's really just this. Sugar and plastic shopping malls and high rise buildings and corporatization and no government skullduggery right and

40:22 They don't have access or have been turned away from anything that's esoteric, which is really yummy mental vegetables. And both may have some sort of level of ritual pagan weirdness or pentagrams or dolmens in terms of just the esoteric on the dark side and light side, the sorcery or the wizardry. But for people that are listening to this and have this yummy mental vegetable conversation that we're having for a small amount of people that would be those folks there's many more people out there who can really care less so it is very much kind of almost self-initiatory process these days where you really have to become an autodidact for yourself

40:59 and make it happen for you. It is, and if I can just add one thing to that as well my experience has shown me that as I say most people want to feel the access to deep layers of reality which are like face meltingly awesome stuff experiences. They want to feel that pathways available to everybody in real especially western so terry traditions more than any other more than any african or asian traditions i've ever seen, western sr terry traditions of western europe offer the most extreme equality i can think of in fact the only quality i can think off. Which is this simple thing the journey is open to everybody it's just a choice

41:53 And it's a sequence of choices through 10 decades of life. It's just the sequence of choices have never met anybody who doesn't have that choice, regardless off the comfort off the circumstances I've never met anyone who doesn't have that choice so is also my equality and my journey with some esoteric groups to her magic groups in particular was unquestionably beneficial And I don't just mean that well i found some gems out of a lot of weird shit. No, it made me a better man, it made me a truer human, a better person and gave me the philosophical and spiritual tools to distinguish between crap and quality and never ever in any way avoid discriminating between right and wrong which in absolute terms

42:50 there are universal elements to those things but you have to experience them, your wisdom is in your footsteps it's not in pages and words and thoughts. And as Niles indicated before mind heart will I would say this about that you must get your mind in order first then you must get your heart in order so masculine and feminine energies In both men and women vice versa upside down back to front total harmony you have to explore all of that when mine and hiring good order will can then come into effect. Which in some western air so terry traditions again as miles pointed to show this in the film anyways if you look carefully is not the crown chakra

43:35 It's at the very base of somebody, it's at the very root. It's that thing that connects you to the land is the red primal energy and its is the will all of the creator so who was speaking in simple terms he would say all well is God's will thy will be done not mine so as a way of saying when your in the flow this giant fractal beauty this divine Eminence, this divine resonance flows through you. It's not just the animal self doing something it is something much mightier and more majestic so mind and heart getting that in shape is preparing the vessel for the reception of God's will So it flows through us You simply become a conduit or channel for it And he gives you the freewill to shape it how you wish Go write a book go lie on the mountainside look at the clouds

44:33 Go cook dinner whatever you wanna do there's no great summoning is no great. Ordination to it yours to deal with as u wish but if mind and heart are in good condition which is a safe minimum three decades work hard work when they're in good conditions something greater flows through one that is available to everybody and you could say somebody like a Christ figure comes down to say, check this out. This is how you do it guys right? I'm out of here but do that it works and he is a son of God as indeed we all are sons and daughters of god so there is an element of divinity that flows through this film without doubt and whether you characterize that as nature god divinity source goddess animistic pantheistic monotheistic...that's up

45:27 But the divinity element is crucial. So leaving normal, in my view cannot be done without the acknowledgement of a higher power but that can only be experienced individually you can't ask somebody to do that You can't sit them down and get them to agree to a bunch of precepts you have to say find your pathway to God and see if you can find him, see if you can have discourse. See if he can feel something flowing through your veins and radiating through your bones in an undeniable way. It's not knowledge it's not words, it's not prayers is something far more significant that is like a tectonic shift but it's a personal epiphany. You cannot have it delivered as a prescription from anybody however cool or interesting or mysterious and sexy

46:17 It must only come through personal experience i want to have that then that's where the magic starts to happen which is again we pick up. Numerous times every start ten or fifteen minutes through the film you will see us talking about not very thing if you look carefully Well said and i agree with you about the quality of access it's like today especially anyone with the internet or library card can read the books and do the work without joining any groups yeah, no you can. Do that all yourself watch the film instead of watching nine seasons of seinfeld again there's all kinds of better choices and this all kind of speaks to that personal journey

46:59 But that said, you know I've had intelligent nice free masons on the show before as individuals. You know everyone should be judged accordingly but i know some listeners would say that there seems to be a nearly ironclad political economic and corporate synergy when it comes to lying and manipulating the masses where are these enlightened philosopher kings today should be flexing their muscle and pushing back is there any way you could give us an example of where you see them on the world stage cuz some people can only really see. The empire so in the times if i may answer this one miles for a moment please do make it now, in the times off the prior ages it was a time off kingship and you would have a philosopher king who come along and lead his people

47:53 a philosopher queen, perhaps it would come along and lead her people however you wish to see it for sure. What the enormous difference is today and if you look at the esoteric cosmology for this which would be Polaria Hyperborea Lemuria Atlantia Aria in the Aryan age of the moment It's time of the individual journey not the group journey So the philosopher king is you, Greg Carlwood. It's you. The philosopher king is the man who's listening to this show now, the woman who's listening to this show. They are the priestesses and Jedis of the moment. Individualism is the end of empire coming together in groups follows that but you cannot have a group without individuals sounds simple but it's overlooked

48:49 The triumph of individualism against the collective spells the termination of empire. So, they access to the information, they access to their journey, the freedom for anybody to choose how to live is there and it's there really for the first time in many many many centuries so I see now that the impulse, the invitation is for the individual to engage with the mystery And when they do, to a certain threshold I can tell you for sure that groups arise secret orders until Empire's gone. They will always be secret who constantly while everyone else is sleeping while everyone else is doing whatever are working to destroy Empire

49:39 I know many of those groups i see them all the time but the only people who are going to know about that people reach level of awareness in themselves once they do, those groups will find you interesting for sure and in terms of personal journey and how to maybe even recognize that there is a Path of divine mystery that we can even get to maybe this is a question for Niles but psychedelics can be one way to shock your system out of normalcy. What are your thoughts on where shamanism and entheogens come in? I've talked to

50:18 a few people about transformative experiences that they've had. I've talked about mine ad nauseum here, but I still think when a person has a breakthrough experience it's hard to plug back into the matrix wouldn't you say? Yeah, absolutely. I mean all my psychedelic experiences have been very life-changing and positive and you know i take great great pleasure and cherish those experiences And I agree with them to Ken in perspective that Entheogens have a profound ability To show somebody something in a very short powerful time rather than sitting on the ashram for 30 years meditating So that immediacy of them is very powerful especially if they're done in right respect at a proper shamanic container like your reference Greg so

50:59 Ultimately though, when you do get to a certain level I'm not saying that you leave entheogens behind or you don't have any sort of endogenous tryptamine experiences but you will get to the point where you are able to do as much in life endogenously in interesting ways through various ritual practices. So there's a beauty to entheogens kind of helping wake people up a little bit if they are in proper mental state to be able to receive them again back to the eyes to see and ears to hear have the willingness to want to heal themselves because ultimately as we are all in a profoundly sick culture, it's no measure to be aligned with that is the Krishnamurti quote says. So if you're willing to kind of unplug yourself and see that there's more to offer than meets the eye and you can turn the circuit board of reality over and see something get a little preview of that I think that the entheogenic and psychedelic perspective is beautiful for just kinda giving people that little peek through the window behind the veil

51:54 And then we can carry those things in our lives and what's so important about the psychedelic experiences what do you do with your life when you bring it back right. I don't want to people in the end of genesis psychedelic communities are having just as many problems people on kind of other standard operating realities i get really encouraged when i met people that have had something to janitor psychedelic experience is not done well and they're also working on themselves in their day to day life and not just one of the other there's balance everything that's when i really start. Being energized excited when i get you have a pleasure being around folks like that if i can just add one thing as well great, i'm writing a lot cool words down analysis used another cool word endogenous right made me think about your point before greg, where are the kings west the great nations of awesomeness and how can we team up perhaps

52:47 Endogenous just simply meaning from within arising from within so if your spiritual power is endogenous it means that you're conjuring it from your own internal flame. That's what we do in at the moment indigenous, when its from a nation when its from the soil from the land from the character of people and dogmas must come before indigenous When you then have a group of people who from their own private in flame found great power. and clarity, and moral strength, an excellence. When they then come together that then imprints onto the land and then you've got an indigenous spiritual community for the first time I've never seen that yet because i know we're still in the phase of individualization We each have a shard of the creator within us And were asked to radiate it

53:45 You can't do that under the aegis of some other power. You have to do it yourself, but there's only a very small critical mass of people who need to do that for it to work I definitely subscribe to the idea that you don't need 7 billion awakened humans to make a good earth. Let's pick a random number out of the Bible 144 thousand That's it period! You only need that tiny remnant lucid, super cool awesome people and that's it then suddenly empire is finished so you need 144 000 lucid individuals

54:25 i need to game over and we're back so you can thank you. And when you say before having a culture that has this, indigenous for indigenous mindset me reference the illusion mysteries in the film and at that point time i mean that was an example of something like that right where there's two thousand plus years of practice, yeah shading people into something that was at that time very likely called the Kykeon, which was thought to be either an ergot barley beer with a rye that had psychedelic properties or perhaps maybe even I've heard speculation of a psychedelic honey. But that's an example of when you get... Beautiful example Niles thank you yeah look at that in the film guys The Elysian Mysteries that Niles is talking about are Elysian mysteries yeah. Elysian yeah. Hmm wise words and

55:11 So let me ask you a little more about the non-physical parts of this reality structure well beyond empire, more baked into nature. You know entheogens they seem to be one way to see the underlying structure and that's kind of what so powerful about them because nobody taught us that was there and then you break through and you see that that's a major lie in there is a whole hidden realm here that could possibly be explored maybe that step one on the path for a lot of people but On this show we hear a lot of stories about people who've received some type of direct download from somewhere else. You know, Call it the Spirit World or A Non-Physical Dimension, Francis Crick, Nikola Tesla Maria Orsic and this is a really persistent thing usually with bright minds who are suppressed by the Empire I think psychedelics have that same quality for people they plug us in

56:03 to this non-material realm of knowledge. And when we get back here, we feel like we learned something but it tends to get quite slippery. Whoever wants to take this one what can you tell us about maybe your mapping of the spiritual dimension and the best way to interact with it and get the most out of exploring it? Well I'll begin with that if I may Niles Again i would say with great respect is an initiatory journey that takes many decades to fully understand and embrace my own understanding of the initial structure is that it equips people to explore different realms it does many things but thats one of them.

56:47 For the probationer, as you might say or the neophyte, the newcomer, the neo-new fight growth or plant. So for a new person on a path and by new I don't mean someone who's just begun it that's where their understanding is so many people say oh yes i've been on this path for 75 years now i've been doing this way before you were born and they're a complete moron and they are more on through choice not because they're ill equipped but because they found there is sanctuary end the escape of the new age which is what most people stop at seven steps to happiness not kind of thing for the person who is seriously interested in cedar real strength real power. And lucidity necessary to explore your that let's say dimensions of reality comes through their own transformation so the old mental structures the old emotional shutdown

57:48 cannot transport one into the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh dimensions as you might say. You can't do it so your vessel for the reception of divinity and your vessel for you own transportation through different realms is your mind and heart And if you can find equilibrium then you can do a lot of stuff I would say that took me about 20 years of work from about age of twenty to about age forty to achieve a level of equilibrium that has a decent consistency. So I was a great guy at 20, and I'm a great guy today at 45. Thank you very much to me. But the bit in the middle is about the consistency of that equilibrium. When I meet a great adept, a great woman of substance, a great man of substance what stands out

58:44 is the embodiment of that equilibrium, a tremendous power. And I'd say just in modern cultural terms it's like the sort of real life Jedi master, a real supreme woman who stands there with this delicious combination of ultimate humbleness and humility and gentleness, and yet this total ferocious power that's just there at the click of the fingers And they sit in equilibrium from one moment to the next. One of the precepts in my work that I teach, The Supernal Path is that power flows into equilibrium In the same way that sunlight falls upon us you need to know how to harvest it to do something with it The plants know how to harvest it They know what to do with sunlight and they can produce extraordinary things from it

59:38 Where learning that sunlight can power our world he took cool it. Make things destroy things burn things bring things back to life and in a similar way if you see the Divinity is an emanation through that light, you can learn to do things with it. And one of those things is you can use that light as a mechanism transport consciousness through different frequencies or let's just call them dimensions whether that frequency are spatial or temporal we won't worry about that lets just say other worlds Light is key to that and lights can be used as a vessel

1:00:19 set of coordinates to move consciousness from one place to another but you must have equilibrium, maintain that light vessel so it's like astral projection remote viewing everyone to some extent as spasms and spontaneous episodes about through life just like we all moments of clairvoyance and seeing deeper. What did not consistent because we don't have a equilibrium in mind and heart And so the equilibrium is just a demonstration to the creator to say, hey look I'm good enough to do this shit now. And he's like well you are, you've proven it well done here's the power So it flows into it all by itself and the fail safe of it not flowing there Is built in as well that if somebody doesn't have equilibrium their mind is disturbed or their heart is shut down Or too open which is just as ridiculous

1:01:12 If you can't maintain a good aperture for mind, a good aperture for heart. Know when to open know when to close know when to have a little bit no one's who have a lot. You're not demonstrating what is necessary to help that power so why would the creator grant you the power to change his creation or even explore it if you've not demonstrated your fitness as a human being? So to me again it's ultimate equilibrium, ultimate equality open to everybody. The choice is yours but there's no conjurations there's no spells there's no incantations that can short-circuit that as we've said the entheogens the psychedelics the plant medicines can certainly

1:01:57 symbolize depicts demonstrate show you can go on a vacation got a half wow holy crap that's important. I'm not gonna be a little cracking the old nonsense of mine, this is essential just like in the quiz i fictional cast and novels don one says to cast an ad don't need to use the cactus Well, if you persist in being this logical and rational we're going to have to rattle your bit because it's actually the self you've created is getting in the way of reality. And then they end they has to administer the plant medicine to cast a native to help him stop blocking reality with self so they certainly have a role to play but you can do it 100% organic with nothing from your own use the word again your own indulgence chemistry for sure

1:02:50 Can it really is all about your attainment level right because how much you know and how much you actually develop self transmitted yourself internally with that kind of. Inner fire for change is how much are going to get out of an experience shown back at so like me or said if your ego is just a wacker if you're just, Somebody that's on stage talking shit and not really actually doing stuff to develop yourself you're not in search of. Doing what is truly authentic in terms of a real spiritual development or walking the yellow path, how chemical transformation transportation i mean ultimately can't fill with

1:03:29 spiritual light of their dumb ass right so it's like you get back what you put in the vine light is ultimately for that nosis from the divine is alternately u seeing more of your higher self and being able to access your higher self which is a spiritual guide that is not something outside of you but there's a way of embracing them connecting up to yourself which is this non corporeal higher vibrational density. I would add one thing to that again if i may else keep saying things that keep making me think of all the things you just interrupt me and tell me to shut up, if we're going off the page too much but it's all good thank you this might be of interest to your listeners on my point that now is making it makes me realize that when we are talking about. Going back to your original question greg

1:04:15 People have transmissions the downloads from the magical realms you know somebody somewhere some intelligence dimension. I'm weather it's nicola tesla or bloody joseph smith jacob bomer, oh i'm manual sweden bar they go out somewhere to a bloody forest or something and they have a vision of an experience download off something like that people email me everyday and say how can i tell the difference between someone who really has had that happen to them today, i'm talks about it and someone who claims that's happened. I'm so excited about it and i cant tell the difference how is that how can we tell the difference between the real deal. And the charlatans and there's a very very simple answer to that which is embodiment

1:05:07 That doesn't happen as Niles said to dumbasses, to stupid people. So if you see a webpage that says here is the great so and so and they have the transmission on the channeling this magnificent entity and there's this extraordinary information coming in and you can sit before this man or sit before this woman who will channel and show you and share their vision or whatever... And pay them a lot of money? Pay them money and all this and you say wow that's quite a claim Immediately for me that would be a bit of a red flag because channel material generally is for the individual period. The second thing i would say it's alright well let's give them the benefit of doubt, it might be an extraordinary set up circumstances where transmission to a wider audience is appropriate lets take a look at that go and look at the person look at the man look at the woman

1:05:57 If they are a person of substance and equilibrium, then keep listening. See what else is interesting? If they're not it's garbage because goodness and in hermitism goodness is often spelt with the capital G and it indicates an element of divinity Divinity doesn't flow its knowledge, its gnosis insert this equilibrium i a douchebag people it doesn't do it so that's the plane thing look at the channel look at them and look at the woman are they somebody up great substance and excellence to be why is this mother fucker on the planet just have to be somebody where you can feel this guy is good this woman just feels good i can tell i can feel like i'm not dreaming

1:06:46 I'm not fantasizing, i am not live action role playing. This is the real deal! I can feel it a mile off as I say when I had the occasion in my life on a dozen occasions perhaps to sit in the presence of a man or woman who have great adept hood and their attainment. I can feel at a mile off The way I would describe that feeling is graceful power It's very, very understated but it's very, very potent. And that to me is unmistakable almost like a parallel would be sexual attraction you can't bullshit it. It's either there or not. You can't pretend it. It's a very chemical reaction and when I've sat occasionally with channels where somebody said come and look at this woman come on look at this guy. It's always been bullshit always

1:07:38 Again, it's going back to the individual saying be your own authority. Don't take anybody else's word for it. Don't fall for their fancy webpages and the posters and testimonials from other retards. Go and sit with the person give them the benefit of the doubt if you feel strongly about it and look at the person forget the knowledge, forget the data transmission examine the individual and everything is crystal clear It's also a dynamic to where in the film you know we show people that are at some stage of this and starting to actually really be excellent and many of them aren't very high profile put themselves out there like people they're very. Somebody that you might see in my piece on what an obscurity right so we see people who still want to call me did because you find wisdom and excellence and very unexpected places

1:08:29 A lot of the times so much of this is so that it's for you and its only apple to you at some point in your journey will start sharing with others and help influencing others but we see a lot of people don't we on various places that are trying to sell you things i got headsets on their. Trying to promote massive things and get huge sales for stuff which is again we all need to promote our material but you know what i mean it's very much about Do you actually see this person doing excellent things in their life or is there a lot of mess and they're just trying to increase their social networking numbers. Well said, and indeed discernment is important. And of course everybody thinks their bullshit detector's on point but sometimes I'm not so sure it's best yeah of course if we work on ourselves we can improve that barometer and i love exploring the mechanisms of reality that help us to understand how the impossible can be quite natural even when it's rare and Neil what you said I think gets us closer to understanding that for sure

1:09:31 And guys, this has been a lot of fun. Let's take a minute to remind people about Transmutation where to watch it as well as any other links or projects that you think people should know about before we close this down. So I'll go first Transmutation film dot com you can rent it or if you clever your bites so you can download and own it forever what should fifty million times cuz there's so many interesting things to look at transmutations from dot com the mail kramer dot com everything is that yeah i can be found in a second dot com.

1:10:08 as well and it's just i want to come back you great on this program has been just an absolute. Great show really enjoyed its been honored to be a part of that and thank you for giving us the time to just kind of share some insights on it obviously is beautiful tonight just trying, sell a project on in conversation but have just fantastic conversation or yeah i did inspire such informative discussion that I think it's always nice if we have these conversations when again you kind of get energy and feel jazzed after them instead of talking to somebody that is just so bland and dreary. So, cheers to your show! Yes thank you Niles. Thank you Greg for allowing us to do that and me and Niles... Yeah we want people to buy it and enjoy it for sure but we don't wanna be assholes selling it all the time so thanks for

1:10:51 stimulating us to have a broader and better conversation. Thank you, Greg. Yeah guys I really appreciate it! I just largely stay out of the way it's all you but now... No, you don't! It is the art of the interviewer You do a lot, I can tell. Yeah and Greg I need to compliment on that you are very excellent interviewer And I know that you know that But its very rare to find somebody who is such as good interviewers as you So this part of our path isn't where we kind follow breadcrumbs it's like ripples in the pond where you find what you're good at and you feel the call to something. And it's obvious that you are very inherently good at doing what you're doing now, and I'm sure that there is many things that will continue to happen for you as you open up gateways but its great to see you doing you and getting some fulfillment out of it being something that at least is helping along your path ever so slightly. So thats a beautiful thing, its great to see. Well I appreciate it

1:11:43 And this really has been awesome. Niles, it was great to get to know you a little bit. Neil, it was great to have you back! Thank you of course i think transmutation is an excellent film for anyone out there who is looking for that inspiration to kind of get out the rat race and jump to that next step up personal transformation who isn't right we should all be looking for that so I appreciate your both coming on keep poking holes in the empire's game enlightening the masses to better themselves and take care out their long may you shine dude absolutely That is how we do it guys a rare THC twofer very rare Neil and Niles Great dudes. I think we pull it off both of them are really interesting and well-spoken guys And I hope this one is a bit of an inspiration to people Maybe a catalyst for that point of action some of you might have been putting off. I know that's how it was for me

1:12:41 And what a great show to manifest itself just before the four year anniversary of THC+. Yeah, four years is an odd number to highlight but we're going through the first major change since PLUS started which was the first major change overall. So for me it is a big deal lots of twisted up feelings about it but I'm really just one of the luckiest people I know to do what I do here for a living even when there are rough moments that's just life It's not like some other choice would have yielded zero stressful situations. And so few shows really are about me at all, it's always about what is going on in the world but the number of emails I get from people that are like hey your story has been inspirational they're off the charts! The biggest group of emails I get is people who've just been like hey I've listened for six years

1:13:35 I saw this whole thing happen before my eyes and that to me is an inspiration because like i've said it's easy to look at people who have made it and be like oh well you had this component that I don't have so it's not going to work for me or you had rich parents, or you had this. And if you saw me...I pretty much had nothing but the will and the dedication really do not stop get better and don't stop Another thing is I think people in their heads get this idea of their perfect situation down the road, but it's those first steps to getting there that are the hardest to take. And it's like don't look for perfection from day one just look for constant progress

1:14:23 But I tend to call the 10 years in retail my lost decade, and that is just how long i hemmed and hawed and bitched out and didn't commit. And all those things that we do get in our own way So yeah for as well it's going now I did stall for ten years! I know that struggle... so I hope this was impactful because I think back to what I would have wanted to hear then This is pretty much it there does seem to be knowledge embedded in nature, embedded in the ones and zeros that will sort of hold your hand through the process or show you can make it by at least in part giving you a sense of separation between the economic Rockefeller Rothschild rat race of man and the more natural mystic world as Neil might say.

1:15:12 And I really think you can separate those two and get a much more inspiring message from that suppressed natural world that's just kind of whispering its lessons out to you if you're listening. Because if you listen to those natural lessons, they really did make me feel like oh! I did actually show up here for a reason there is a point in life and I think I'm here to succeed. I actually want to leave a mark of some kind and enjoy this experience And if you get sucked up in the anxiety and pressure from the big machine, and its acolytes, and the materialist worldview... You can come away feeling pretty insignificant. And that ya better just get in line and shut-up because it's better than being crushed. Any philosophy is better than thinking like that right? But it's a great topic to cover because a lot of people do ask me to find more shows about solutions

1:16:07 And it's great to be positive, but let's also be realistic in that the big machine will probably always exist. The Archon-controlled psychopaths will probably always be skipping through the revolving door of control We can talk about suppressed technologies and lost permaculture practices like the biochar process and engineering abundance... ...and what we would do if we could change the entire chessboard! But much of that, if we're talking nationwide scale or more it's just hypothetical. But a show about being your best self and engaging with the divine mysteries personally? That is absolutely something you can do! And if you end up being your best self, you could make huge positive impacts in the world around you and not to be self-centered

1:16:55 But isn't the world around you all that kind of matters? I mean, without a TV or without the internet you would not really know what was going on beyond your own sphere. The world around you is kinda all ya have and if you can be someone in it who can say hey! I figured this out for me...I'm loving everything right now....I got my shit on lock What could I help you with That's a really great place to be. I sometimes cite things that Jordan Peterson has said and he talks about working to be the reliable person at a funeral Did i bring it up in todays show? Im not even sure But being the reliable person at a funeral is just another way to express that work on yourself thing And alot of this material also reminds me of Gordon Whites book Chaos Protocols and his phrase become invincible

1:17:48 Because once you see the world behind the curtain, you realize the man-made world isn't the most important thing. Just a strange cultural layer of smog and grease and muck...and money! And if you've had some out-of-the-body journeys I think you become way more open to risk Way more willing to thrust yourself into the story alive because it does feel less final when you meet a couple entities behind the material veil Either way, both guests today really cool guys. I really liked Niles' input as well as Neil's. I knew much less about Niles going into this but i would love to see his Shamans of the Global Village become a real full season series there should be way more mini documentaries on specific shamanic practices and shamans that can be compared and contrasted! I love the sound of that

1:18:47 I just love that Niles has cultivated these filmography skills and is applying them to such interesting material. Stuff that i think people need, and if you're looking for more inspiration check out their movie Transmutation And if you only listen to the free first hour of the Hireside Chats, do sign up to hear the second because my god was today a fun time. It was like a crow show on steroids because we got into Neil's thoughts about The Construct and his analysis of the Sun-Moon Matrix, The Hollow Earth and a lot of deep level mysteries about The Construct in our environment itself

1:19:32 And there were some compelling answers there. Definitely my favorite thing from today overall, and I did not think we were going to be talking about Sun-Sol portals to somewhere else but here we are! So in that plus show other than alternative spatial models for the Earth and the sun as a portal We also talked about A view into cultures existing beyond the Empire's influence and things like EMF wave avoidance and cell phone radiation I definitely think there is meat on those bones. And they were great topics to add to the pile of compelling things talked about today So sign up for THC plus if you want to get into that all-around great show sound quality speakers ability Content really happy with this one so big thanks to Neil and Niles obviously couldn't do it without them very complimentary to me

1:20:29 Way too kind. But I really enjoyed it, and hope you had a good time! I've got two more shows to serve you up before the month ends and they too are shows that I think you're going to like but we'll know for sure in a few days. Until then...I've done my part Your move individual explorers of the divine mysteries modern mystics breaking out of the pre-approved paradigm and escapers of the excruciating cog in the wheel lifestyle your fucking move Oh no You see, the world isn't random it's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9-to-5 is trying to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello Can you hear me Or should I play back

1:21:31 From some spying agency Wish we were younger and free I'll be thankful when it's all exposed The vast conspiracy There is such a difference Between Nina And the Denver child Hollow from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes. They'll tell you the story of everything that's been done, and they'll call out deception for the web that's been spawned

1:22:23 Hollow from the higher side The earth is hollow inside They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about Saturn? Have you heard about the real since long ago? They're cartoons, but it's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument? That nothing really happens It's no secret that the best is plus

1:23:24 It's doubling your time. Hello from the higher side! They're calling out a thousand cries Now tell me something the elite have done And they'll call out deception from a web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side Challenging your paradise

1:24:04 I'm gonna tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind where is one has no war Oh, that's the world Hello from a higher sky

1:24:46 They're calling out a thousand times. They'll tell you something the elite have done, and they'll call out the exception of the web that's been spun from the highest heaven. Challenging your paradigm And I'll tell you someday That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it's won, that's the problem