Matthew Ehret | Engineering Beliefs, Subculture Creation, & Revenge Of The Mystery Cults

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01:10 It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. From The Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood and it's hard to have convictions about what the truth of anything is in a world so systematically stacked with state propaganda sophisticated psyops and engineered opinions as ours is Complicating things further is this rat's nest of reality-shaping operations and public perception creation goes back about as far as there has been a reality or perception to shape. Nearly every philosophy, organization, religion, government think tank or movement exalts itself as operating from the right moral position in a sea of manipulative garbage often concealing its own deeper agendas behind PR ideological inception and recruitment campaigns

01:53 It is truly tough to conclude much about anything anymore, but we do what we can to whack through the weeds and find our own path despite many misdirections and admittedly some occasional backtracking. Sadly even many of the countercultures we might have found comfort in often end up having sketchy intelligence ties and unsavory funding that often oftentimes leaves one wondering if we bought a lie sold to us as an alternative truth, which is the value I found in the dense and detailed work of today's guest Matthew Aratt. Matthew is a journalist as well as director of The Rising Tide Foundation, founder of the Canadian Patriot Review, and senior fellow of American University in Moscow

02:31 He's super active with very detailed films like the in progress eight part series, The Hidden Hand Behind UFOs. Impressive sub stack articles and many books some coauthored with his wife Cynthia Chung like a three volume series titled Revenge of the Mystery Cults A four volume series titled Clash of Two Americas Breaking Free Of Anti-China Psyops How The Cold War Is Being Revived And What You Can Do About It and Science Unshackled Restoring Causality In A World Of Chaos The topics covered in Matt's work are vast, but what I consider a uniting theme at the core is that mainstream vs. alternative is a dichotomy the elite use to ensnare us just the same as black vs white, left vs right etc., etc... And we hear many assumed narratives across the conspiracy corpus that Matt suggests were engineered as a second net

03:21 Aimed at counterculture capture. And that's something any truly open-minded free thinker should at least be able to consider, so let's get in the mood! The dialect deconstructor sheep class critic and light bear in a dark labyrinth of lies Matt welcome to the higher side Thank you for having me on and thank you for that, that very generous introduction. I am looking forward to this chat. I try man wordy stuff. I don't make it easy on myself, but it is a pleasure so much to talk about largely. I hoped we could squeeze in a lot of the threads in the conspiracy mythos that you pick apart because I find that to be the most unique aspect of your work. It's not that you're against conspiratorial thinking, but it seems like you might say

04:01 conspiracy minded people aren't critical enough of the major alternative narratives within their own subculture and we forget that a lot of thought goes into crafting false alternatives because they know not everyone's gonna trust the mainstream and that's pretty fair to say right yeah, that's a very fair thing to say. And I think that if you only become qualified to begin to start thinking about causality, our world or future what's shaping us? What will be the future when you take the step out of this hyper-reductionist normalized materialism that presumes that intentions ideas do not shape reality. It's only when you put that in the garbage and you accept

04:52 this discoverable fact that conspiracies shape everything and have always shaped everything pertaining to the human condition, and will always do so for good or for bad. It's not like conspiracy- And that's part of the thing too at that point when you realize that conspiracies intentions ideas for what the future should be have been animating people who've had a common way of thinking and agreement about some future outcome they work towards it again for good or for bad But that doesn't mean just because you acknowledge that there are nefarious conspiracies, that you all of a sudden have the master key to understand everything. Like you were saying, what does that mean? We see people who believe in conspiracies who disagree with themselves all the time. It's everywhere so who controls the narratives of one type one flavor of conspiracy or another flavor or another flavor in the buffet that we're being given that gives us a sense of certainly

05:48 it feels better. There's a sense of solace to know, okay every group who chose to be in that part of the conspiracy buffet whether it's the shape-shifting lizard people or the interdimensional greys or the Jew Khazar people who say no, it's all about the Jew Khazars there are so many different Jesuit groups, you know? It's all about the Jesuits. There is partially I think an attraction to their particular variation because it gives a sense of satisfaction knowing that there's a reason for things. The mind yearns for a reason like that, so we don't sit well in uncertainty forever. We need to hold on to why did this happen? Why is there life? Why are bad things happening? Why wars? Why are assassinations? That's good but you don't want to hold on so tight because again

06:43 And who's to say that that particular explanation that you've been given, although it's more truthful than the crappy ones of those many who have gone through our mainstream education system who have been led to believe there is no such purpose to asking even why in anything. Whether science or whether history, it's all about... There's pervasive belief and a randomness shaping the outcome and the unfolding of events even the events of nature devoid the human touch. We're told, okay we have to assume that there's random genetic mutations in biology if we want to get a job and be respected and peer reviewed and abide by certain

07:20 sort of modern godheads, like we have to pay homage to Darwin specifically in his particular randomized model of genetic mutations that give rise to a rolling-of-the-dice idea of mutations causing the weak of any given species to be destroyed as the strong of that species persevere. Or in physics, we're told we have to presume in the absolute fact of randomness, probability theory that presumes that there's just at the very subatomic part level no causation. Everything is random and electron could be here or there and maybe it is both in both places we're told because string theory and these mathematical models that grew out of Niels Bohr's network of mathematicians have all told us that we have to presume that something is both a light-is a wave and a particle whether its matter whether it's light

08:11 it can be both here and there at the same time, and it can be in another universe because there's infinite universes. And thus, infinite things that have existed. Thus, there is no point in causality to even go there." That's just stuff in the mainstream. We're told as well like why do wars happen? Well people just got sick of paying taxes to a foreign power, so they did a revolution. Hitler got kicked out of art school, so he made a war and Napoleon had a small penis, so he made a war." That's the stuff that people actually make careers around in mainstream. You get out of that and you're like okay now there are Freemasonic agencies, there are secret societies, there is Rosicrucian undergrounds that seem to

08:49 despise this human quality of problem solving making creative discoveries into God's creation applying those to making our lives better, to finding peace with our neighbors even if they have a different language or different religion. Our natural human tendency has been historically a piece to avoid divide-to-conquer strategies, to make life better for our kids. The oligarchy seems to be something which is parasitically latched onto us which despises that attribute and which works to bring out the worst in us in order to better control divided dumbed down underpopulated people and you know that's part of the reality of what we're living in so all that to say I know I'm going on a long time here now too but I'll throw it back at you in a second

09:36 The issue of what's concerning me right now is a lot of the best people who have woken up, especially COVID kind of shook a lot of people out of their normyism. They've become conspiracy theorists with very strong opinions about everything pertaining from medicine, history of science, you name it. Which it's good that people's minds are going into that much wider spectrum they should do that but there is a sloppiness as well. Part of that I'm noticing of the sloppiness is a tendency to fall into traps which I'm seeing, especially amongst the conservative liberty-minded crowds that are the most equipped to pass judgment on the evil of this type of great reset agenda that we've been nudged towards over decades. But there is a tendency on one hand to start seeing it well anybody who talked about conspiracies that pertain to bankers especially with Jewish names

10:38 must be good. So Hitler must be good, and I'm seeing a very clear revival of Nazism. You got Kanye West, you got all sorts of Joe Rogan is pumping out sanitized translations of Hitler's speeches and it's coming out everywhere. Stu Peters is putting out very viral things because he's talking about the protocols of Zion. Hitler is a conspiracy theorist. He emerged a network of people who were reading things like the Protocols of Zion that was being spread in the 1905 to 1920s period, especially in Germany but also in Russia and in the United States. And if you read the writings of a lot of conspiracy theorists around that it looks very similar to what has become very popular today as far as recognizing Freemasonic agencies banking conspiracies. A lot of them, a lot of it involves the B'nai Brith and the ADL and other things but it's also tied

11:35 a trap because Hitler himself, all of these things grew out of. the Theosophists, a bunch of Rosicrucian Satanist and Gnostics who were masquerading as and shaping what would become the basis of the new age which then put out these narratives in order to take people who are becoming very suspicious of mainstream establishment sources and nudging them towards a reactionary extreme trap. That's what they do. They push a far left agenda on one hand with Bolshevism run amok And then the same Freemasonic agencies are pushing a right-wing conservative reactionary position that then causes this dialectic to then manifest in the form of things that ultimately kill millions and millions of people. So I'll shut up now, but those are my considerations. Yes, that's great! You used a lot of examples that are way off from my outline here but it doesn't really matter

12:27 It's true we're attracted to singular narratives, especially in the conspiracy world. You could say the mainstream narrative is like I can trust all these people and authority and that's my singular narrative and probably the opposite in the conspiracy world. And I've done these interviews for 15 years and I interview people who oftentimes have a singular lane and it's going to be all about the Jesuits. It's going to be all about this group or that And I just hear them out and then I say to the audience, look maybe I'm too dumb to tell you what to think but we hear every case and whoever makes the best case kind of wins. The argument, you know? I'm sure it's a little bit of truth in all these things but

13:05 Like you say, problem reaction solution. They do things one way and then they bring someone up who says hey look what they're doing over here and then everyone's like yeah this guy is actually telling the truth and then they give you a solution that it is another trap I have no problem with people re-examining everything they've been told A lot of your work is about these characters of history that have been crafted And deconstructing their actual biography and saying a lot of that's a lie So yeah, we have to do everything we can to look at everything we've assumed and then be like was that a lie or was there some truth to it? Is it somewhat in the middle so I don't have a problem with someone re-examining the speeches of Hitler are re-examining some other stuff that people were attracted too because you got to re examine everything. I just don't think we can take anything for granted but a lot of time you find well

13:58 I shouldn't swing the pendulum completely the other way. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and you have to admit that they're seeding little truths to be extra manipulative, to get people back into a different camp so these are the murky waters we swim in right? It's tough to see anything clearly, but before we get too deep into the unexpected topics I wanted to start by giving you a bona fide attaboy for the piece you wrote on Christmas Eve last year Elon Musk and Peter Thiel two sides of one magic trick. Now We've just seen Elon getting inducted into Black Eye Club whatever the hell that is I think there's definitely something to it and leaving the administration And publicly feuding with Trump and at the same time all the headlines come out about

14:43 Palantir getting the green light to build the big database on all Americans. And it just seems like one tech bro passing the football to another and this post you wrote way back when really foreshadows what's playing out right now, wouldn't you say? Yeah unfortunately eh Well, that was in that post that I published was part of a book. It was a chapter of the book that I was working on that's now published and available called Rosicrucian Golem. It's Revenge of The Mystery Cult Vol 2. You got to knack for titling things! I will say that. Thank you. Actually, I've got a copy here if people want it. If they see it online and wanna pick up a copy

15:24 The Revenge of the Mystery Cults Volume 2, it's got the Rosicrucian cross there. And you've got Isaac Newton or rotten apple, Nikola Tesla, Charles Darwin in shadow in the back there is Elon. Yeah basically, the governing theme that I'm trying to weave together is that there is a Rosicrucian magic trick that ties what's going on right now to the emergence of the Rosicrucians back in 1606, in their official there more modern form at least. Which gave rise to a ritual mass murder of the world in the form of The 30 Years War that killed off millions of people which the Rosicrucian said organized setting off religious wars that went on for generations in Europe and how this thing that's tied to John D Bacon whole network of people Paracelsus Robert Flood

16:18 transformed the England into an empire, seeded things like the Invisible College. That's how they organized themselves. They created certain synthetic front men or cardboard cutouts as I go through one example of Isaac Newton himself a self-professed Rosicrucian. The Babylonian witch as you call him in your writings Yeah, yeah. Babylonian witch that was John Maynard Keynes actually himself part of this Rosicrucian operation in the Fabian Society who bought up Isaac Newton's chest and said that Isaac Newton actually when you look at his original works and John Maynard Keynes was happy about this he said he was actually not so much the first of the modern scientists but the last of the Babylonian witches That is John Maynard Keynes And again he was happy about that because he is like that's his tradition So that because all of these original works

17:08 were alchemy, numerology trying to calculate the end times was Kabbalism. So all that to say why would I try and do in that book again luckily had a lot of researchers that helped me was map out Where are the fallacies? Where are the false narratives about what is science because there's a whole battle about how the sciences, the domain where human mind comes into contact with the mind of God. That's how I see science in the healthy sense it's like we're looking for the laws of creation and if we're creative and we have a heart and a mind attuned with passion and love of truth more than our own axioms

17:46 then we will be able to self-question and even eliminate by our own free will those false constructs that are withholding our ability to make that leap, that discovery, that eureka. And so those – we are told a story about that science today in the worlds that are controlled by oligarchs, that science occurred by people like Sir Isaac Newton, by Rene Descartes who Francis Bacon or later on Charles Darwin. We've got a whole plethora of modern secular gods of the scientific enlightenment pantheon that we're told were these great

18:26 minds, Richard Dawkins in a modern setting is another one and all that to say. But then when you look at what that is we're told well how did they make those discoveries? Well the method that all of them promote or that were told to abide by is a form of radical empiricism, a belief in sense certainty and that the mind must simply use the five senses in a radical form to look for patterns, and then extrapolate patterns into universal laws that they then label with symbols. That can then be memorized repeated and applied ala almost like in a monkey-like way by others. And those people can become convinced that they're doing science now I could say when I actually look at the works of people who made those discoveries

19:09 It wasn't Newton. Almost every, I would say even every single discovery that Newton is attributed for having made as a part of this Rosicrucian invisible college can be attributed earlier to real continental scientists like Johannes Kepler or like Gottfried Leibniz, like Pierre de Fermat, like Christian Huygens who are actually making the breakthroughs on the inverse square law, on optics, on everything. On the infinitesimal calculus? So what's happening and this goes into the running theme is that there has been a technique to take- to try to steal the fruits of the discoveries made by real integrated human beings and

19:48 If you can't destroy science, at least try to co-opt it and repurpose it for your own ends," says the empire or says any imperialist. And what they've done is they need to... They've had a technique that's been sharpened of taking cardboard cutouts that they then will steal new technologies, or new innovations, new techniques, big discoveries too and then repackage them. They will eliminate the soul of the discovery, the method. They will keep the shell like a formula that can be memorized and then they will pass it on in something that can be memorized like Newton's Principia Mathematica

20:29 which is just a compendium of an encyclopedia of right answers, but no question of causation. What was he thinking about? What were his experiments? What did you do wrong? Nothing of that is there. So that's part of what the oligarchy has been trying to give us a false sense of knowledge of the universe and then also keep us in a cage Now, as you alluded to this Peter Thiel Elon Musk thing. Both characters when you start scratching on the surface and the article that came right before that one in the book is Elon Musk and The Revival of Technocracy 2.0

21:09 which basically gets at the theosophical Rosicrucian elements that shaped Elon Musk's grandfather, Joshua Haldeman who was assigned working very closely with Fabians and Rhodes Scholars in Canada who set up what was known or led the Canadian branch of Technocracy Inc to create basically a I think at this point, it's become more known amongst the type of viewers who watch your show that they were calling for essentially a complete overhaul of mankind or recrafting of human beings under a scientific tech like a technocratic elite. That would involve establishing a centralized control grid with Greenland all of North America Mexico all the way down to Panama

22:01 as the centralized control system. Elon Musk has made reference to the TechNate idea, he's even taken the naming procedures that the technate of his grandfather had promoted, which was that you have to if you want to be a member of this new society and all members of Technocracy Inc. had to give up their names or at least substitute their names for a series of numbers in X's. So Joshua Haldeman name was like x235x2 and we could see that Elon Musk has even given a little bit of homage to that for one probably, you know, test tube kids. I say probably, but I don't know but probably and has given direct explicit lip service to Technocracy Inc as something that he believes should be the basis of his vision for Mars colonization calling for a Martian technate other things so if you trace out the lineage and of Elon Musk as a personality both as is he was promoted as a great genius who sort

23:05 was self-generated as a great genius and the richest man in the world proves that he must be the most brilliant mind, who's got all of these patents technological patents associated to his name. A lot of it is very reminiscent of the type of approach that was used to craft the figure of Isaac Newton four centuries earlier. Isaac Newton who himself could never publicly defend He was never allowed to go into an uncontrolled setting where people would challenge his so-called discoveries because he couldn't put them into words. He was a member of parliament, he was a very powerful figure. He's made the master of the mint at the Bank of England. So he has given a lot of political power

23:50 But he would never said anything on record in the bank, in the parliament. He was only known for getting his rocks off passing the death sentence for anybody who is counterfeiting that and you always wanted to watch the torture and murder of the people in England who were like passing on counterfeit coins so that's Newton with us was a sociopath again he was into occultism in secret and then being passed off like he was this great empiricist scientist and I think you know Isaac Elon Musk He's never allowed to be in an uncontrolled environment where people are authentically challenging him. Many, many expert software engineers who really know their stuff have listened to him try to describe the software that we're told he invented

24:34 and the patents he owns, and he can't do it. So he's clearly got handlers and is clearly mostly a branding projection. He falls apart just in a two-hour podcast interview with someone who is kind of on his side. He just doesn't come off as all that intelligent. It is a facade like I like the cardboard cutout analogy And we've deconstructed the Royal society and had a lot of criticisms of all of its members and it's various branches. I mean, anthropology history itself, all the different types of sciences and how the mainstream worldview has kind of been crafted. But what's so interesting about your work is you also go after that alternative and you held up the book cover obviously Tesla's on that book. It is interesting that

25:17 Musk got this counterculture credibility by using the Tesla name when his car company first came out. People were like, oh this guy he gets it! He knows the alternative stuff Well, in this nine part series on Tesla you talk about a lot of the myth making and to quote part one you write was Nikola Tesla a great genius ahead of his time as a modern prophet or electrical wizard? As some have called him. Or is there evidence that something much more insidious was afoot An image has been passed down to us of a renegade genius misunderstood by those living in his era, constantly financially attacked by the evil financiers who preferred to support the unscrupulous Thomas Edison or Marconi leaving him poor digging ditches for food and selling his futuristic patents.

26:06 for money, but is any of this actually true? My contention is that scratching at the carefully crafted official narrative of Tesla's life and works extremely dark forces are soon found lurking under the shiny surface which should not be ignored. And I love having assumptions challenged my whole paradigm has kind of been like well look oligarchs and the robber barons, they kind of crafted the mainstream science around meterable controllable things. Let's make sure electricity is metered and wired and not abundant and we can charge for it oil same thing. And then the alternative world suggests that there is a lot of stuff out there that's been cut around like the ether and ether based physics

26:59 Antigravity electrogravitic technologies and a lot of that whole world view goes a lot deeper than just tesla it doesn't come out of just one guy i mean there's willham reich there is victor schauberger who looked at nature in sov or texas and other things theirs t townsend brown. There's more modern people like Christopher Hitchenson, who is a Canadian who used to film levitation on YouTube and then died suddenly. There are Stanley Meyers who got cars to run on wire- uh, cars to run on water and also got killed So I'm kind of in this box of thinking that there is a lot of more abundant and free flowing technologies that have been suppressed but you seem too

27:45 Write about ether in a negative sense like that's a bunk thing at least. That's the vibe I get from From what you've written, but talk to us about a better way the correct way to think about the alternative Science world and in a figure like Tesla yeah sure well I would say a lot of this stuff like Science is fake. Most of the science we've been given, we can all agree is mostly fake make-believe narratives that are keeping us from actually discovering the laws of the universe but still giving us an arrogant sense of self satisfaction if you're an academician in university or you're getting research grants, you got a false sense of arrogance that yes, of course, we know exactly what's inside this sun look at these graphs and we know that on the side of the earth

28:36 this much mantle and this much core, we know exactly how that works. We know exactly the big bang to the millionth of a second of a picosecond. We know exactly 13.7256 billion years ago was the big bang before that there was nothing and then after that were going go to a heat death with after which there will be ultimately nothing. Of course, we know all of the arrogance is astounding rate it's sickening but it's the consequence of what the oligarchy wants because we lose the passion to seek the unknown when we think we know at all like why? If anything will feel threatened if a student asks a good question, the teacher will if they're have that rigid mindset become even angry that the student is asking a question that they don't know the answer to already and

29:24 typically instinctually attack. So that's useful for an oligarchy, but what are they suppressing? I made reference to how Isaac Newton's discoveries can be attributed if people look at the original works of ... Look for the origins of the ideas where those ideas attributed to Newton came decades in some cases like in the case of Kepler a generation before Newton was even born. Kepler was discovering Gravity, how was he discovering gravity? He didn't like the inverse square laws there in Kepler's works published in 1619. He is discovering it by the harmonics so he is looking at Pythagorean harmonics and doing intelligibly you could read all of Kepler writings that have survived like his Harmonies Of The World where his third planetary law motion is expounded upon where he discovers provably that the reason for the planetary orbits because he asked a question why are the orbits better knowable located in positions

30:19 that they're located in and not some other possible set of configurations, but we find them in these certain configurations. Why that and not some other? And his hypothesis he takes from Plato's Timaeus which Plato's Themaeus first lays out this hypothesis from the Pythagoreans that there is a geometric harmonic beauty and an coherent ordering, right? Of the planets that ties into the platonic solids. And then nesting of the five platonic solids, the dodecahedron, icosahedron octahedral cube in tetrahedral. So there's a lawful way of nesting them that gives you certain proportions

30:55 But the data empirically was not available in the time of Plato to actually pursue that, to make a discovery fully. The hypothesis was a potent one. St Augustine even explores that in the last three chapters of his unabridged confessions and this is like a big idea. Da Vinci's even looking into the question of the dodecahedron and its relationship to nature, to life, to cosmos So Kepler actually proves it. He takes it and he's got enough data for the first time to actually take that hypothesis, and then demonstrate that there is a musical coherent ordering and that tempers the behavior of all of the planets around the sun. And that has huge geopolitical implications because if the universe is organized in a harmonious way by a composer creator

31:41 which is coherent to the mind of the mortals. And he's not part of a ruling family, He's not part of a noble Rosicrucian bloodline or something. He's just like human being from like a lowborn but who was able to make this incredible discovery and then translate that into words that were intelligible. That means that the entire way that society has permitted itself be organized has been completely wrong and he's very coherent about that in his writings Now, when you actually look at the breakthroughs made by the big breakthroughs made in science in all of the subsequent years coming after and by the way Kepler is citing Leonardo da Vinci's work on The Golden Section. Luca Pacioli's work on The Golden Section which happened a generation earlier than Kepler

32:22 So there's a direct continuity of this unbroken continuity between the Pythagorean platonic school that was also fighting to create a new type of society that would be premised around natural law and true harmony founded upon the sacredness of individual liberty at the same time as the individual is matured, to realize that their freedoms are tied directly into their duty. That's the conception of the philosopher king notion developed by Plato and that was sort of carried forth. So Leibniz, who discovers the infinitesimal calculus is not just doing mathematics. These are ideas that are ripped off and then we're told or tied to Isaac Newton. It's not true. He's looking at Kepler's works. He's looking at the nonlinear changes in physical space time

33:08 They're looking at the integration of space, matter and time already. All of these potent thinkers are doing that and they think of space as a saturated thing. They don't- they're all battling the empty space idea of Euclid, of Newton who presumed that there's such a thing as empty space with self existent matter just floating around pushing and pulling on itself through mysterious forces in absolute time so all these figures like Leibniz, like Kepler like the Bernoulli brothers who are making great discoveries on nonlinear physical space-time, later on Gauss, later on Riemann. They... which is cited by Einstein as the foundation for this idea of a Riemannian physical space time that has curvature that has saturation. Max Planck's work on the quantum is directly tied into this. Max Planck is studying Kepler and setting Kepler, stating to these new generation of physicists

34:00 that if you want to understand science, you have to read Kepler and nobody's listening to him. They call him the crazy old man who doesn't believe in the new discoveries of randomness as if that's a new discovery but but the people who are making the discoveries that form the foundation of the best breakthroughs including They recognize that there is some form of an ether, that there's a shape to space. That includes Einstein as I get it in chapter six of this book. Einstein actually was defending he had an idea of an ether but it wasn't the type of idea of the ether that was promoted then by the networks of the occultists and Rosicrucians then circling around the figure of Thomas Huxley who was the grandfather of Aldous and Julian

34:43 and the handler of Charles Darwin at the Invisible College in England at that time. So they had an idea of an ether that was based upon an occult idea that there are angels and demons, and other entities in elementals. That's the Gnostic idea that exists in this other domain that we can channel. And so a lot of these guys are utilizing Delphic channelers as part of their operation for themselves. People like Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton who is also part of this whole

35:20 Rosicrucian revival apparatus very closely tied to Thomas Huxley. They're using channelers, they're trying to invoke demonology, they're trying to talk to the dead, they're doing necromancy in that sense and so part of the idea of that version, that sick idea of the ether is that there are all these demon forces, dead ghosts that we can interface with if we are adept and gnostically initiated. That's driving the world insane and you've got an attempt to try validate scientifically that notion of the occult ether through the veneer of science in people who were mentors of a young Nikola Tesla

36:01 And I was surprised to discover, but increasingly less and less surprised the more I looked into it. Were people like William Crooks, Sir William Crooks who's known as this great mathematician technologist scientist he was the president of the British Royal Society for a few years. He was also the president of the Psychical Society, the British- Society for Psychical Research? Society for Psychical, thank you. He's the president of that at the same time and he was the mentor of Tesla. They write lifelong course or not lifelong but for many years in 1890s they're writing correspondences. Tesla is calling him my mentor. Crooks is trying to- he's helping to promote the spiritualist religion to overthrow Christianity as a whole

36:51 in his position as the scientist and he is stealing ideas of other scientists. There's actually a number of real, real scientists who he's ripping off saying his ideas are his own and then he's redefining what's going on within his crooks devices, crooks tubes that he's then saying okay what's going on when you're looking at these plasmas is actually ghostly forces tied to our dead loved ones and relatives. He's helping to create fraudulent mediums and supporting these fraudulent mediums who are discovered to be fraudulent

37:26 But he's trying to use his authority to pass this off. So, this is what Tesla is being shaped by and Tesla ends up playing also a big role in a lot of these too promoting the idea that machines that he has been given and being told are things he's patented like little machines that are automated His teleautomaton is a big one. He's circulating across the United States in the 1890s, acting like it's a self-thinking machine that solving problems that he's asking his audience. It's kind of like a PT Barnum skit and he's asking audiences to go on and post questions to this machine, this teleautomata but only mathematical questions and it'll solve all of the questions for you. And using a bunch of lights, it answers questions and the audience is flipping out

38:14 of he's telling them that is doing this because he's telepathically communicating to this, this thing through the power of his very adept mind and neck muscles that he says is allowing him to transmit his will into the machine to answer for him. It's not true actually it turns out these things are being run by one of his assistants hidden in the background with a little device controlling the buttons. He's part of this magic trick, and that got me. I'm seeing so I'll wrap it up here this way. There is this beautiful set of discoveries throughout the 20th century from people like Christian Birkeland who was part of the Keplerian harmonious plasma-based worldview that creates the foundation of a lot of what became in our more recent days known as The Electric Universe

39:04 model, which is I would say the more correct model than anything available otherwise. It's infused Christian Berkeland who was looking at plasmas in the real sense, and Birkeland currents which are truly founding like the relationship of all of the planets to the sun as electric currents, as electric circuits moving through plasma and every sun within our galaxy is interconnected within a very saturated domain. All the great discoveries I think were happening through that current but the oligarchy has done two things they've tried to

39:41 Well, I think they killed Christian Birkeland first of all. But they tried to steal those discoveries so that they could then use them for their own purpose to repurpose them and then use them at their choice not to uplift people to a better way but to enslave us And on the other hand, if they can't completely subvert people's appreciation for this tradition what they can do is they can infuse crazy into it. Infuse it with a cultism so that we get- We fall off the path of this tradition So that there are people like herself or Rosicrucian Frances Yates whose book I'm reading right now called The Rosicrucian Enlightenment She just

40:22 It's from the Warburg Institute, by the way that published this thing in the 70s. She's lying all over the place. She's trying to say that Kepler is a Rosicrucian, Leibniz is a Rosicrucian everybody's a Rosicrucian everything good came out of people doing black magic. And so that's what they're, that's what they do. They're like, you know? So they create these new little mystical narratives and I'll end it there, but that sort of my way of approaching that very difficult question that you threw at me. No! It's all great. You are a really good speaker. You've clearly done a lot of research into all this stuff And I have this lengthy outline. We're only on page two of a seven page outline, and clearly I'm looking at the time we're not really going to get to everything but you kind of did say overthrowing Christianity and this is kinda where like I said earlier, I interview a lot of people they have their own perspectives on all of this murky stuff and yours seems to be

41:17 Christianity like that seems to be your true north i'm getting the sense that if it isn't christian then its in the bad category and i guess i feel like you want been a lot of things as a cult or negative. I wouldn't put in that context, Not all, I mean things get used like let's MKUltra you know you say you talk about MKUltra you talk about psychedelic studies yes but i think he kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater there because even though psychedelics were used in MKUltra and they were weaponized And they were even propagated in the culture of the 60s and all that. Some of them are natural, some of them I think you know like mushrooms have a real spiritual purpose. I think if you get outside of the small sliver of western culture using them

42:07 Trying to find a truth serum or weaponize them. There's a robust global Usage of these things for a natural spirituality I think if we're getting to the laws of nature like this is a natural thing that Opens up consciousness and this is just one example, but you're hard on SRI and remote viewing your heart on a lot of this stuff that I would say, side effects. You know it seems like you doubt all this stuff is even possible or channeling like yes there's a lot of fraud in channeling and mediumship but i also think there is direct downloads from something of a spiritual nature that some people occasionally get uh...I know your series about the hidden hand behind UFOs goes really deep into the manipulations there with government intelligence and Rosicrucians its really well done

43:02 but I think you almost, you don't give much attention to the wide range of strange bizarre experiences people do report to have with something. From your Christian perspective is that demons? Is it all fabricated like that's kind of where I have a hard time really grappling with the wider worldview of how much credibility You give to some of these other things the symbols another example you refer to the symbols as. women who were raped by the priesthood and filled up with drugs and then thrown in a cave to babble. And it seems like you don't put any credibility in the actual prophecies of the Sybils, that's okay I could see adjacent thing MKUltra abusing kids to get them in exotic states of consciousness to try to extract some kind of information from the wider reality like there is a parallel between

44:00 the way you described the symbols with the language I just used and what MKUltra was doing to kids. So, I'm trying to stumble through a summary of what I expected to get through over the course of two hours because I just want to make like get the overview that you think these all these alternative things you kind of just seem to think they're all bullshit. I don't know if, well here there's a lot of elements that you raised there. No but I do it too right? Like I throw so much at you as well. So what I would say for the first up my position metaphysical position personally speaking if you were to ask me like what do I categorize myself most as I primarily say probably a Platonist that's probably what I would do

44:52 I'm very sympathetic to Ben Franklin. Like, I've read a lot of Ben Franklin's works. Oh no! Hellfire Club? What about the bodies under his house?! Nah, they made that up. Ah see? Yeah, that's what they do. Well you even think the Nag Hammadi texts were a forgery which you know... No! I don't think it was a forgery. It was a coming out party. Like those texts weren't discovered in 1946. They were already known but But after World War II, as a new onslaught to prepare for a new great reset was like a new reset of all the human condition was being put into motion and all of the Nazis were being given new assignments to run NATO when the global secret army apparatus and stuff. People don't know about that

45:40 I'm sorry for you people who have not listened to that. At the same time as that whole new plan was being brought online, I think that the decision was made at that moment to release them to the public as a bit of a coming out party with a bit of a story around Muhammad Ali murder on the run from the law who found himself in a cave and discovered all these texts that then were very quickly translated under the management of Carl Jung and the Carl Jung Institute. And you put Carl Jung in the category of like part of the milieu of the bad guys?

46:21 Oh, yeah. See that? I think that's what so surprising to people you lump you put Tesla Rudolph Steiner and Carl young in this group as Rosicrucians that are manipulating the alternative You even go so far at one point to draw some connections between Tesla and Crowley We've covered Crowley has a British spy before but not to this degree where you suggest that Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower funded by JP Morgan of course a red flag might have been away that Crowley reported back on And you say there's a report from US Office of Navy Intelligence dated July 10th, 1917 that zeroed in on Theodore Rouse Crowley's fellow leader in the Rosicrucian OTO. I don't ever hear the OTO described as Rosicrucian but they stated that Crowley maintained some mysterious means of communication with their chief and Berlin Rudolf Steiner

47:14 So I don't ever hear these threads connected. And that's what makes me think like, am I talking to someone who comes from this Christian perspective that says Gnosticism bad? Rosicrucianism bad? I mean, I don't know. I can't...I don't necessarily have a dog in the fight but I just never hear these things tied in together and it seems like that's kind of unique to you Thanks, I guess. Sure. Okay. I look for unique perspectives is why you're here. Right? So okay, look, so yeah getting back to the thing so my position being somebody who abides by and I was mentioning Ben Franklin's so when Ben Franklin was asked like what it what your position with your religion with your with your philosophies like I follow

48:00 Confucius, Socrates and Jesus. The point being is I'm looking at the light he's looking at the life of how they self-organized their minds and their messaging to make the world a better place and to understand creation. Socrates, Confucius and Jesus are pretty solid people I'm very sympathetic to that way of thinking. So, my core elements to my faith is that there's a creator that created the universe with reason and he is not a dead creator that just made rules that must be followed but is a present living creator that's present at all times in all places creating and we are thus co-creating potentially if we choose to with that creator if we're developing our minds and our aesthetical sensibilities according

48:45 in some way, which is in conformity with the laws natural law so-called the way it's developed by St. Augustine for example or Confucius within his analytics or Mencius within his golden doctrine of the mean for example? I do have a sort of looking for the universal attributes to simple attributes that different cultures have tapped into at different times that allows us to discover God's creation and change our behavior through our own desires and our own will in emulation with those discovered hidden laws. Let me just jump in to say, broadly speaking that is my world view too I agree with that! I just think when we get into the little nuances, the details you put things in kind of a nefarious category that I don't think are necessarily nefarious

49:32 God made the Amanita muscaria mushroom. I guess, I just wonder what you think about... I would think? You're gonna try to tell me that all psychedelic mushrooms are made by the CIA or something because they made LSD No no my position on that on the question of psychedelics is simply that everything has to be done with you don't want to skip steps in developing your methods and your research into anything. You're not going to get a kid who's in grade three to go and just immediately do work that is expected of somebody in grade 10. Oftentimes, I think that what we are dealing with is a lot of people have been victimized in ways they don't understand by a culture that's withheld from them the

50:23 Because we live in an oligarchical system, right? So we've been withheld from our ability to even just understand how our mind works in a healthy creative state. In just the natural creative reasonable state where reason and creative spontaneity coexist at the same time in a healthy way. We've been cut off, all of that history, that's why I went through that brief sketch about this history of science that's been cut off by this invisible college operation that's been creating on the one hand, a radical empiricist doctrine and on the other hand, a hyper mystical Gnostic doctrine that is an apparent opposition

51:08 to the radical empiricism that they ironically promote for the public, but then they have something else for the initiated higher elite who recognize the limitations of Cartesianism, Newtonianism and want to go in the opposite direction and want to find something more healthy. They have something for the initiates as well to jump into. I'm saying that there's another current that's been cut off from us, which is tied to neither one of those two extremes but is founded upon a coherent, continuous school of thought that ties the sciences and the arts and political freedom together that have co-evolved together by people who often get assassinated by these entities, by these agencies over the millennia. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if it comes to most people that I encounter in our culture today who talk about all of the explorations with psychedelics that they've had

52:05 They're skipping steps. They haven't taken their time to understand how this beautiful instrument of the mind works in a straight manner before they go off and are trying to discover alternate universes and channel, and speak to other entities through the assistance of naturally occurring products from nature. I'm not saying that it should never be done. being done in such a disjointed way that it's not making people better or more capable of actually combating this oligarchical beast that wants to kill us all, and the big extermination that is going to happen pretty soon if we don't change our paradigm because they are going to get their 95% population kill off if we don't really think very differently about what they are and how they operate and how they get us to self-control.

52:52 In our own worlds you know okay that's fair my thing that's fair to say but we can't control other people think and were never gonna get everybody to agree the people are so brainwashed i gave up on that a long time ago in terms of if we can only just get everybody to think x if we can only get everybody to fight this then we can top them I don't know. No, I don't mean that at all. I just mean the idea of people who learn how their minds are supposed to work. There's no formula for it. Yeah, I was just commenting on that last part you said but it seems like if I were a lump all the alternative things that I mentioned earlier into one basket It would be extended consciousness or altered states of consciousness Yes The CIA explored this stuff You know A lot of other people outside of the CIA have explored altered States. It seems like you are kind of just generally

53:41 Down on altered states of consciousness. I don't think you do you think there's actually value in exploring altered states the consciousness? Do you think that precognition is a thing as remote viewing real? I mean, I've done a remote viewing experiment that worked. I don't think it's satanic No, I'm not. I wouldn't say – I think it's the question of how do we define this? It's like the ether question when I mentioned that Einstein and Planck believe also in the ether. We've been told that you have to be either one extreme or the other. You believe in empty space or you believe in the ether. We're given these dichotomies, but when you actually look at it believed in an ether just didn't fall into the category of what's being promoted as the ether today. I think the same thing goes in my mind for altered states like if you look at the creative flow like when you're in a zone whether you're an artist, a musician, and actor, you're really giving yourself entirely to

54:37 Not your ego, you're putting yourself into the flow of the spirit of the music that you're performing or of the performance that you are performing if you are doing it authentically and honestly. And space and time change even see in sports people talk about being in a zone physical space time is just totally condensed when you're in that creative flow state In that sense, yeah. I'm totally a big fan of that type of category of altered states. They usually call it the flow state like that's one aspect- That's one example but zone is another example there's numbers many words that have been given to that state over the millennia

55:20 But again, the question is in my mind. Is it based upon the abandonment of our reason? Do we completely lose ourselves entirely? Is there nothing of us and I left in the flow state? Is it totally other or is there some harmonious balance that can exist of the two where you're both the other and the self at the same time? And also reasonable as well as creative at the same time like using reason but that's not rigid logic but a more healthy creative reason at the same time as you're not abandoning the use of that quality. And I've noticed that a lot of the discussion of altered states, they come out at the Esalen Institute that are being advanced in our current culture are based upon the abandonment of the use of reason and the abandonment completely or attempt to abandon the use of... Or the access to ego or the eye whatever you want to call it and that is I think an error. I don't think that's the healthiest approach to the altered state experience that we have available to us.

56:17 So I don't want to run out of time without talking about two things, and I think we're going to. But UFOs in China... You have such unique takes on China that I have to fit it in but just to use UFOs as an example of this larger thing we're trying to talk about your series is great you break down all the military intelligence people that are involved in crafting the stories and crafting Roswell, and the aviary and all these people. Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallee." And you say this is the new invisible college these people are trying to seed a mythos that gets us into this techno psychedelic Gnostic one world government? Okay I think the nuance there for me is I acknowledge almost everything you say in that series as true and as manipulation

57:09 But they're not making it up out of whole cloth. They're manipulating an actual reality of people having experiences with something non-human, and then they're twisting it to say well these are aliens from another planet And, you know, Darwinist evolution is going to take us there and this is a good thing. And we should all want to go that direction like that's the HG Wells stuff that you fold in the Mars stuff you fold in? Yeah, I can acknowledge that but are you of the position That what we call ufology is just nothing that hundreds of thousands of people don't have visitations in their room from something very strange that takes them out of body to another reality gives them some weird download? Are you of the opinion that all of that is made up?"

57:55 There's a, hold on I'm just trying to get the name of the book here that I have in the other room. All I want to say is just because I think that there is a spiritual nature of something that has always existed with us and they're twisting that to make it ufology Okay so here are my considerations on that question and very important topic. I am assuming you don't have a hard stop after two hours do you or is it a hard stop? No we can go a little longer if need be. Little okay alright I'll still try to keep it short but So, David McGowan, excellent contemporary researcher. Okay so he wrote a book called Programmed to Kill and it's a fantastic book his more famous book is Strange Things at Laurel Canyon but the programmed to kill book that he wrote before that

58:40 examines all of the cases of known serial killers over the past, I think it takes about a century of a data set. And he just goes through each case study to try to see kind of like what I did with the Jack the Ripper murder is are these naturally occurring as we've been told? Cases like the Zodiac killer and others or Or is there evidence of a cult ritual operations within and around those murders? And he finds that in every single case, there was occult and intelligence operations tied to each one of those cases of seemingly we're told discontinuous discrete cases of serial killers.

59:25 I think of which Michael Aquino played a role in the Zodiac Killer 1-2 with the process Church of Final Judgment, which is also a Scientology outgrowth of 62. That's tied to Charles Manson. Now, the thing about this stuff is that Charles Manson thing comes up quite a bit. There was, I've noticed in my research, a practice amongst many of these various cults of the 60s and 70s that really grew out in the 70s like they really blossomed big time There was, as Charles Manson called it the practice. It was a ritual of creepy crawly and people could Google creepy crawley Charles Manson family And this is something that was done to thousands of households, where the family was told to go in and look for houses in suburb neighborhoods and other places that have unlocked doors or windows. And creep and crawl into the house and move things around. There's one aspect of it which has been documented which involves how this was done to both just put a little bit of a scare into the population but nothing really harmful.

1:00:28 Within my line of research, it wouldn't be because the case of mass personal abductions and especially the sexual molestation and the violence committed to a lot of the people who go through alien abduction cases until their story about it. There is a strange amount of anal rape which is something something that tends to occur or anal examination with a probing. That is a thing, it's a weird thing that aliens coming from another galaxy would be so obsessed with- I think that was something the media made in the 80s and 90s they hyped it up to make it look silly. It was there, it was there. A disproportionately large amount of people... The people who get pregnant don't have that but yeah sure its in the mix. Oh you got the happy ones too but in that time it was in this 60s and 70s especially in the 70s when it really blossomed

1:01:21 as far as the cases, because before 62, you didn't really have any cases of that disturbing form. There was like a case of the Venusian space brothers that came and brought George Damski into their ship. They were more like beautiful Aryan people but then he had the more warped versions, the more scary versions that started coming out of the 60s slowly but then in the 70s they blossomed so my mind would want I don't know how investigatable this is, but it wouldn't be hard for me to imagine how the creepy crawly type of practice could involve taking people in their sleep giving them a bit of chlorophyll or something else to put them even deeper asleep

1:02:04 Maybe with some masks, maybe coordinated those masks and then remove them to do things to those people in the 70's at which they're left either in the forest or brought back into their bedroom. I don't know. And then that creates in a days drugged out state people who might be told how to interpret what they just experienced by information channels that are open to letting them know it was actually aliens that did that to you that brought the light into your room and other things that caused your ass to hurt or whatever else. For me, I don't think that work has been done. I would challenge people but knowing that is a thing my mind goes there more than anywhere else to try to say let's figure out if that accounts for a lot of these cases

1:02:50 of abuse and extraterrestrial abductions at that time. Actually, that's framed as my lab experiences, my lab abductions, military abductions that simulate the things that are going on or maybe change them around to include some of the more nefarious aspects of it but I just wanted to hone in on you don't think that there is communication with non-human intelligence at all. You don't think there are spirits and demons and multi dimensional entities, these kind of things? No i think these are oligarchy believes in this thing or

1:03:35 But I don't think that they're real. The oligarchy drives themselves into a form of schizophrenia and disembodied states of identities that Edgar Allan Poe documents in his short stories like the Empath of Perverse pretty well, or William Wilson is another short story by Poe where he goes through this higher type schism to identity that has a demonic character that the oligarchy does to themselves, that they build whole mythologies around and organizing principles around. That they then project as stories for everybody else to also fall into but I don't think that's actually true. I don't think there are these forces for good or bad or light or darkness

1:04:15 that they interface with. Yeah, see that's what I was trying to get to is just a straight answer on your thoughts on what is at the bottom of ufology and you basically think it's nothing? That it's all created by military intelligence and these Rosicrucians and this invisible college to create something that isn't really there whereas my distinction Is that I think they are taking a reality that's always existed with humanity a larger than material world, a larger hierarchy of conscious intelligences and then trying to change the wrapper on that from my spiritual dichotomy to a more sci-fi reality. So that's the distinction we have on that specific issue but

1:05:00 Regardless, I do love having ideas challenged. I mean you go on these... Well, I would say look Jacques Vallée did write some good books His books are pretty useful even though i think he is probably himself a satanist See? I think that's interesting But his books are so useful and he's the first to really document the occult sort of overlap with a lot of the cases of aliens and the interdimensional idea that he introduces with his passenger to Magonia. He does map out the different folklores of imps and child abductions from different villages in Sweden, Ireland going back to the Middle Ages, how different names were given to these entities, these elves and gnomes and different things, fairies

1:05:49 that he says is what these more primitive peoples would have given as the name for the aliens that they were seeing, but they didn't know what to call them or the demons which might be the same thing because they're leaping from another dimension. Which maybe was where they exist and into ours and they abduct kids? I would say what my mind finds more I was going to say attractive, repulsive but yet still what I'm attracted to as a hypothesis. A we know of all these which Covins and Marina Abramovich's networks she is not solo she didn't come out of the vacuum you know she overseeing like the child safety she is the child safety ambassador for Ukraine which has the biggest like child abduction racket in the world and but that again has been it unbroken continuity of which covens that go back

1:06:39 overseen by warlocks and other things that have a weird sacred fetish about killing children. They seem to really want that, human sacrifice in general is part of their ritual? Yeah I mean don't deny that. I just think that's the dark application of a magical reality it doesn't have to be dark just like you know regular murder- Yeah maybe not but what does seem to be present and pervasive throughout this whole thing is there has been A lot of cases, whether it's the warnings of the Grimm Brothers for Hansel and Gretel or the warning of the Pied Piper taking the kids away is that there has been an ongoing plague of secret cults that have been

1:07:24 murdering people in secret, passing themselves off under the guise of mystery that you cannot understand that have been there in an unbroken manner. Whatever that mystery is as a wall that's going to prevent your reason from understanding what they're doing, it takes on different forms at different ages but the effect is always the same and so I just see the UFO story as the most recent iteration of that exact same technique of creating a wall that reason cannot trespass beyond, that would otherwise help us understand the nature of this very sick parasitical thing that the oligarchy is and does as part of their ritual like their own religion.

1:08:10 governing and fucking up society. Yeah, it's really interesting just to hear you talk because it really is like I have to go sentence by sentence and be like oh I really agree with that sentence Oh thats where I differ It's just really interesting cause thats not a dichotomy im used too with alot of people So we have to talk about China a little bit. Let's bring it back to the modern day before we run out of time so you're a fellow, senior fellow at the American University in Moscow your wife and you work on a lot books together she is Chinese together you wrote two volumes set titled Breaking Free of Anti-China Psyops

1:08:49 You seem to be in favor of the new Belt and Road Initiative. I've heard you talk about it a little bit, but I understand that the Western globalists are constantly saying Russia and China are bad but i don't know that there is a good guy here. China and Russia don't really seem to be the beacons of freedom that you write about them as. You say the Uyghur genocide thing is propaganda, the organ harvesting is propaganda It seems like you say the human rights abuses aren't real. And this is why you have a lot of critics online, there's always critics I have critics too but there are a lot of critics that think that your funded by China and Russia and i don't ever think we need to go that far like why can't we just kinda say that anyone just because someone has criticisms of the way we look at other nations doesn't mean they're on the payroll

1:09:43 I guess it's like, yes. I acknowledge there is some adversarial propaganda coming from the West no doubt you'd be dumb not to think that but i don't know if that covers the full spread of everything I mean don't you think China has its own human rights abuses? Is there no Uyghur genocide or surveillance state social crediting system to keep critics in line? Is this all Western fabrication We should almost have a whole show on this. I know, I'm sorry but it- Because these are not little questions. Do you want to do a whole show on this at some point? We can sit down and actually go through it case by case. Well, I have to read that two volume book and then I would say yes but try to set the stage for us. Okay all right well here so I tend to try to conduct my analysis utilizing as much of an understanding

1:10:37 the techniques of counterintelligence and propaganda that I could possibly understand, and with an appreciation for trying to define this death cult. This thing that's been latching on to humanity for thousands of years that always has the same desire in its heart mind whatever its heart is which is essentially the same thing it's Global depopulation, stasis divide to conquer as a way of being. Keep people as divided within themselves and with their neighbors as possible through variety of techniques that involve bringing out the worst in us is humanly possible through education or culture or arts are there's different ways of bringing up the worst part of people who got better at worse part they're good at the science of making us bad

1:11:26 or making us worse than we could be. I try to map that out as best as I can, with the sense that there has been this positive thing that gave rise to the American Revolution, that gave rise to all of these amazing blasts of freedom and progress against the will of the oligarchy that have been really good, really great for humanity and really inspiring. do that in my mind as I'm carrying out my analysis of current events. The thing with a lot of the narratives that I scratch upon looking at different reasons for us to think about China or Russia in a certain way, or Iran and the Muslim world in a certain way usually fall apart when I do my analysis and I noticed you mentioned

1:12:10 I'm the senior fellow of the American University in Moscow, not paid. No money coming in from Russia or nothing like that. My wife has a Chinese last name. Her mom was born in Hong Kong, moved here when she was young girl. My wife has been born Canadian doesn't speak Chinese, doesn't get paid from China so we don't- That's not...I know a lot people have come out and I've encountered these types of statements which is why I am saying it right now because people say oh your wife has a Chinese last name she's a Chinese agent you with the American University of Moscow, you're a Russian agent. I've gotten these things so I'm saying it that way." So I look for the origins of narratives where are they coming from and what evidence do I actually find that's available to my reason? My inquiring reason to see if those narratives are true or false. When it comes to those ones that you just mentioned and again, my Breaking Free of Anti-China PsyOps Volume 1 and Volume 2

1:12:59 I'm going to go through a lot more detail than I'm going to do right now. I'm also making some videos, going through this to try to add some multimedia dimension and people can try to validate or disprove the claims that I make in the context of these arguments which I can't do justice to in this quick thing but I would say for the Uyghur genocide claims No, there's no. The thing about China and the Muslims in Xinjiang is that China shares a 75 kilometer border with Afghanistan and the reason why there was the problem of Islamic terrorism has everything to do with the fact that back in especially in the 70s, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger but especially Zbigniew had a program called Operation Cyclone that had it great idea to start promoting putting 500 I think they put $500 million of US taxpayer money

1:13:47 also conduited through the Saudis and at the time, Pakistani intelligence to creating these radicalizing madrasas especially in Afghanistan that would try to bring about the worst possible most violent reactionary interpretation of Islam that would teach young men how to interpret the messages within their Quran. That would then tend to through the Wahhabist and Salafi-ist doctrination produce people who would be much more inclined to blow themselves up and become essentially, though they didn't even know it most of the time proxies for the USA in a war against Russia that would draw in Russia to weaken the Soviet Union. That was like the origins of what became modern Al Qaeda now that didn't stop when the Soviet Union collapsed, they continued doing that

1:14:34 they continue finding that and people looking at the real story behind 9-11 or what was behind ISIS today, whether in Syria or Libya or Iraq, or Africa. You'll find MI6 and the CIA all over the place So the Chinese had a problem where they shared this border with an area that went radicalized, that involved also CIA annexes in Xinjiang that were set up in the late 70s throughout the 80s into the 90s that were running there overseeing the incubation of radicalizing young men and mosques that would, again, receive their money from the Saudis at that time in the 1980s and 1990s. That would then send them via support with Turkey which is part of the Muslim Brotherhood to go and fight proxy wars in Syria and Libya where they cut their teeth as headchoppers. By the year 2005-2006, terrorism started coming into China. They had about 180 different cases of terrorist activity small and big in Xinjiang but it was spreading around. It was really spreading quite a bit

1:15:35 China didn't cause that problem, but they had to then deal with what do you do with the consequences of a bunch of indoctrinated young Muslim men who are declaring war because they want to create East Turkestan? Which is like the entire province of Xinjiang. They call it Turkestan which is also what a lot of National Endowment for Democracy aka CIA think tanks also call that area of China and in a lot of the think tanks better in Washington or in Australia and they call that area of China East Turkistan They don't believe it should be part of China, that it should be carved out. It's a balkanization doctrine. The same thing is that you see with a lot of these think tanks that look at the Russian map

1:16:13 and they have, you can Google it online. There's like 14 different sub-federations that they want to create little micro ethno states out of under the control of the IMF and the World Bank. That's part of the technique now China had to deal with that problem. Part of what they did is they didn't bomb any other countries the way we did when we had a Muslim terrorist problem. They had to do it without bombing anybody which they did through an economic development strategy so if you look at Xinjiang and the Xinjiang genocide or the Muslim genocide problem that we've all been told, we who actually are part of countries that did kill millions of Muslims and are still doing it. We've been told to be all bleeding heart and sympathetic to apparently these abused Muslims all of a sudden which you care about in China who went from having a life expectancy of 39 years of age in 1975 to 76 years of age today

1:17:07 The population itself has more than tripled in that same period of time. They have had no, although the Chinese through the Club of Rome and Henry Kissinger in 79-80 did impose a one child policy on themselves through the club of Roman they brought into the Club of Rome which is again David Rockefeller operation that brought in these computer models to justify depopulation. That was one of the conditions upon which they would be granted the right to have access to factories that Kissinger then oversaw So, they did that to themselves but they never applied it to the Muslims. They never applied it to their ethnic minority groups. They never applied it to the Tibetans so they only apply it to the Han Chinese which then finally ended in 2015 when they realized how much self-mutilation they conducted on themselves. There's no more one shot of policy however, they didn't do it to the Muslims. The Muslims as well there are 26000 mosques today in Xinjiang which per capita is more than any other non Muslim country in the world. More than United States as far people per capita having access to mosque

1:18:04 It's more than the USA, it's more than any country in Europe even though Europe is being flooded by George Soros' operations to get a bunch of Muslims whose countries we bombed. We bombed to the Stone Age who can't live there anymore who were then being sent in and being deployed to create havoc in North America and Europe but despite that, the per capita access to mosques is at the highest outside of any non-Arab or any Arab Muslim country The quality of life and job opportunities, so a lot of these so-called concentration camps when you actually Brian Burletic actually is a former US soldier who now lives in Thailand and has a great channel called New Atlas.

1:18:41 And his analysis of both the Ukraine front as well as the Uyghur genocide claims is impeccable. He's the most rigorous guy I know, Brian Berletic, New Atlas YouTube, he's good. Just type in China Uyghur you'll find hundreds of videos. He's most rigorous guy found who has debunked the idea that there are these concentration camps The information that they're using is based upon selective data from satellites that ignore shit tons of data that would disprove the claims that they want as an outcome. Do you have trade schools and you have new industrial corridors, tons of jobs being built like I said in Xinjiang? Entrepreneurialism is increasing massively and they're not losing their culture. Everyone there is still as part of the education system, the local dialects and cultures are still being taught at the same time that they're also learning Mandarin

1:19:31 At the same time, they're learning for the first time real skills that are giving them job opportunities so they don't want to blow themselves up because they have no hope for the future. That's something that's going on which is pissing off a lot of these CIA front groups around it, The National Endowment For Democracy, of which I list many of them in my special report but also tied to British intelligence and Australia. On the organ harvesting thing? That's a whole thing that, that's going to require we go into Falun Gong. Yeah and I actually was going to bring on Falun Gong you say they're the next uh thing you're gonna cover in your UFO series so maybe i should just wait till that is out but yeah Falun Gong...I only hear about them in the context of this being the group that is having their organs harvested You call them an Asian UFO cult So I assume you don't like him all that much

1:20:20 But I know this is a lot to unpack, but I appreciate you at least unpacking the Uyghur thing. That is a framing that I've never heard it does make logical sense when I'm following what the globalists tend to do so yeah they are responding to a problem that was created by the globalists and the meddlers. That's story as old as time, so many things seem to be that but it's framed as just a racist oppressive we just don't like these people so they're now in concentration camps and it seems to be like a lot of things this story needs to be started earlier to see how that problem arose and who actually started the problem

1:21:03 Rather than crying wolf and being like hey look at this as you say it's very hypocritical given all the things our country does but man really interesting I still have so many questions even about Tesla. We went so far off the map from- Oh yeah that was a whole point we were gonna talk about Tesla, how did he do that? Your work is so dense and deep and i've spent all week trying to package it up into somehow getting a lot of things into a two hour conversation and uh, well people will judge how we did but Tell people where they can dig deeper into the many irons in the fire that you have, give them your links and all that good stuff. Yeah thanks man yeah this is a fun way to start my day this is cool um yeah no I so I guess for the plug yeah plug so Revenge of The Mystery Cults volumes one two three I did them all at the same time and then published them before last Christmas uh so those are all easy to find on CanadianPatriot.org it's my main geopolitical

1:22:03 Also, just Amazon. I guess you can just Google Revenge of the Mystery Cults with my name. Clash of the Two Americas that we've referenced a little bit also that quadrology is on there and also I would say Science Unshackled is a book I wrote two years ago going through sort of the clash of the two sciences from ancient times to the present in a bit more detail so That complements, I think the Revenge of the Mystery Cults and some of our dialogue that we've had today about Isaac Newton as a fraud and all this other stuff. The movies, The Hidden Hand Behind UFOs, there's four episodes that are already out three are free one is paid behind like $4 paywall sorry but i just realized it's gonna- We're gonna go bankrupt if we didn't do that so

1:22:47 Yeah, so that's available also on either CanadianPatriot.org or my sub stack which I put out stuff regularly. Last thing is risingtidefoundation.net is a little nonprofit. I started in Canada with my wife back at 2019 with a bit more of an educational focus So yeah, those are things to check out. Awesome well I appreciate your time we didn't even talk about the fact that you're Canadian and you've described Canada as a synthetic British intelligence operation that sometimes has country like moments but is essentially just a play thing of the same old globalists and it's all another thing so yeah maybe sometime will do China in Canada and uh the Belt Road Initiative and all that but

1:23:31 This was enjoyable. So many things to think about and re-examine, uh, my perspective on many, many things I took for granted. So thank you and take care. Thanks Mike sweet severance season two people. Hmm. What a show? I don't know why you're listening to me unless of course he finished severance and then I guess it makes sense Okay, now this one was pretty interesting to me. I think i'm walking away more confused in some ways about the guest's actual big picture positions on the things we talked about than usual He clearly knows a lot of historical information and links between certain people that a lot of other researchers miss But...I had an outline planned here that is totally off from what actually happened And it did feel a bit like a whirlwind

1:24:24 I do have to give him major props for being such a good speaker and having such excellent recall. Those things are a killer combination, but i've never heard a person link so many alternative minds together and come out so hard against the occultist in the shadows engineering reality... ...and then say my gold standard is Ben Franklin and there is no reality to the occult Honestly, it kind of sucks because I do all this prep work and I had plotted out okay. I'm going to ask about Tesla which is going to lead us into the conversation about Mars and certain people who claim to have communications from beings that live on Mars and that's going to lead us into the idea of seeding aliens as an inevitable Darwinian evolutionary outcome which is part of his work actually liked a lot and we didn't even talk about that

1:25:16 He thinks darwinian evolution and the humans from apes idea was seeded to explain our past and then also the archetype of the alien, the gray i guess was created too. Push us towards that future or see this sort of space communism of drone like hive minded collectivist beans with no personality or emotional depth that would be the other bookend Which is a compelling premise, looping in HG Wells and the War of the Worlds radio play as not an accident but an intentional live drill. And then I had some fun stuff to branch off that…

1:25:57 Matt through so much information into his responses that it got a bit tough to. Be methodical or i would ask about tesla we get ten minutes on sir isaac newton the babylonian which very interesting, but i'm not gonna ask about test like and i wanna kinda move onto the other things on the outline just seemed. Weird to me to lump in Tesla and Isaac Newton because history handles them both very differently especially pre-internet. One was suppressed and his work destroyed the other one they teach us about in schools as the hero of modern physics kind of different framing there

1:26:35 So when I'm judging if something is part of the cultural social engineering op, I consider greatly how much energy is put into promoting a person above their peers. Tesla Edison? Sure! Another paradigm is well Rudolf Steiner compared to other Christian philosophers Wilhelm Reich we know was imprisoned so that speaks for itself Matthew is highlighting some pretty obscure people as the nefarious influence over time and that really doesn't match all that well to me. Also the society of Cincinnati I hear them more often described as like an American Knights Templar usually a force for negative influence,

1:27:20 Some of you might know jj vance and he just wrote me up a big explanation of his work into the group and he doesn't consider them all that favorable. Just so many areas where matt would zig were a lot of other researchers zagged and it would throw me off but i was still engaged with that if that makes sense, Another mistake I made was assuming he was Christian, but... ...I went through hours of his work and he never really claimed any metaphysical or spiritual ground. And I just want to know because I want to understand the logic of where a person is coming from because when a person says something like Tesla might have built Wardenclyffe Tower so Crowley could speak to his handler Rudolf Steiner without detection and then has this attitude of anything alternative science psychedelic

1:28:08 mental phenomenon or a cult adjacent is all negative and subversive, well those people tend to be Christian or Christian adjacent if this then that right you know it's like a flow chart thing. And I don't even blame them i just want to know where a person is and all the pieces of their logic tree and it was kind of hard to get that out of Matthew maybe he sensed a disagreement and didn't want to make it about all that? I could understand that attitude I have in myself sometimes but he said he's a Platonist and I would have even wanted to dig into that a little bit more because Platonism, to my understanding those people do believe in a spirit world to a degree or perfected realm of forms as it usually described in our physical world is an imperfect reflection of that so he's not a materialist but he skeptical all non-material phenomenon and it was just hard for me square those two things I guess

1:29:08 He's done a great series on the hidden hand behind you follow g but my humble opinion is that the crucial flaw in it. Is any concludes it was all made up from nothing and i would conclude that, the dynamics of a complex almost eternal relationship with non human intelligence interacting with us was co-opted and managed to fit within the tight little box of beans from some other planet so We could both agree on the evolutionary track element i mentioned earlier so like that is great but really the conclusions there that's a huge distinction. And yet I can still get a lot of value out of this series so who knows i could be wrong to that just where i am today,

1:29:52 But it's strange logic to me to dismiss all side effects remote viewing and psychedelics in a cult mechanisms and then say that the people engaging with this stuff and promoting it are the real nefarious force the real. Shadow hand the real power behind the curtain because i think they engage with these things privately and suppress them culturally because they actually work, The CIA studied all this extended consciousness stuff because it's real not because they wanted to seed in very obscure sub cultures that never really went anywhere these ideas. It's not really like promotion in the same sense of mainstream ideas are promoted again especially pre-internet you had to really dig to get into this stuff so I don't know

1:30:40 Despite that stuff, I still think it was good. Mentally stimulating and action packed with information. I actually felt inadequate in defending my own position several times because I largely just wanted to let him talk and try to understand exactly what he thinks about what's real or fake I think he writes off a lot of real stuff just because unsavory characters have explored it that's common. In the plus show is where we got to talk about you follow g a little bit where he did say things the whole fabrication not just changing of the rapper but that nobody has these experiences and if they do, he suggested that they would've been drugged by intelligence agents or chloroform or maybe even pricked with a psychedelic

1:31:23 to be tricked and made to believe they had this kind of experience. And man, I don't think you can put it all in that box though. I do think that has happened. We call them my lab experiences but to put it all on that category dismisses so much that came before the CIA and from areas of the world way outside the CIA's purview there's just really so many examples when you dig into it. It's just like, it can't all just be that Another thing i did think was really interesting with the china stuff lots to unpack there too what he said about the weger situation. It kind of make sense but on the other side they say it's a genocide in the tune of millions and he says, they're being given better lives and being radicalized and provided new opportunities it's kinda hard to decide cuz those things are so far apart its tough to rectify

1:32:19 But I do find it interesting that no one ever really asks who the Uyghurs are or if there's any justification to control them, or if the CIA was involved in radicalizing them. That was really important context we just tend to say China bad so of course they would treat a minority like this We don't really think much further than that It is very similar to the Russia-Ukraine thing Well, Russia invaded Ukraine and that's the start of the story. Nevermind all the meddling that was going on beforehand trying to loop them into NATO trying to put the bio facilities there The coup that happened a few years earlier you know You start circling someone with threats and they might preemptively cross over their property line And be like what are you doing over here?

1:33:04 And that's not the same as like invading them because you're just a bloodthirsty egomaniac, as is presented. I'm really curious to know what the reviews will be of this one and i'm going to lean on that rating system heavily here to see if you guys want more... If you want a China-focused interview? Because I'm kind of lost when it comes to my general interpretation of how this will be received He did write me a follow up email though with some thoughts that i want to read cuz it's very important that I feel that we didn't misrepresent anyone and that guests come across as understood by the audience so in that interest let me read what he said.

1:33:46 We sped through so many ideas yesterday which deserved more convo, I just wanted to toss out some points of clarification on a couple of underbaked notions that i didn't get to elaborate on. On the OTO being Rosicrucian? If you asked an OTO follower they might not say yes and they are certainly not officially a Rosicrucian order however However, in my reading of these institutions Rosicrucian orders are intrinsically secret and if someone says they're running a Rosicrucian order publicly then they're probably not actually in a genuine Rosicrucian order but a lower-order decoy which most of its members may fully believe is Rosicrucian since they do study Paracelsus D. Flood Xhorzi Hermes Trismegistus Kabbalah and Gnostic literature etc

1:34:32 And they certainly carry out a variety of rituals as well, but again if they have membership cards and publicly extol themselves as Rosicrucian then they are not the real deal. However, Rosicrucians as a species type have some invariant qualities in that 1.) They profess that their adepts have the power through gnosis and initiation to channel spirit entities and ascended masters who are part of a great brotherhood of immortals To that these powers of communication are teachable only if someone has divine blood according to elephants leave i who i treat as one of my authorities on the subject. Which is why there is such an obsession by so many adepts approve they have aristocratic blood,

1:35:16 This ties into one of the self-organizing myths of the oligarchal class, that the royal families in Europe are to varying degrees descendants of Jesus' babies via the Merovingian clans. Oh and by the way, that Jesus was actually an avatar of the Sethians Lucifer spirit contained in the Nag Hammadi texts who delivers secret oral teachings to his favorite initiates and or are more earlier the progeny of the demonic entities of Elohim Nephilim, and can thus interface with elementals and archons to do their bidding like their demon-controlling version of Solomon was able to when he controlled the army of demons to build his temple which is outlined in the 13th and 14th century Templar crafted Testament of Solomon which initiates wish to believe is ancient.

1:36:04 Although this is been given a ufo rebranding in the last century i think this belief has been consistent across the last two millennia at least but likely way longer back, they're also animated by an obsessive belief and a global alchemical reset or new golden age slash nude on whatever necessitates a period of cataclysm. and a creation of new type of humanity and global paradigm which isn't healthy one in my estimation. So from that standpoint at least at the moment in my research I would put the OTO as led by Kellner, Roos & later Crowley as part of direct lineage of the Templar tradition and which fits the MO of true Rosicrucianism although they are all still quite disposable in the grand scheme

1:36:50 I would place the integral fellowship of the Maha Kakra, aka The Circle as more influential than the OTO although it is possible that at higher degrees they are one although still disposable. More influential than the OTO, I would place the highest degrees of the Memphis Mizraim Lodge system which Bolvatsky had been initiated into and which Kellner was a member with Roos. This is an 1880 update of the Cagliostro Egyptian Rite who i believe was a much more legit Rosicrucian order although ultimately disposable too

1:37:27 You'll notice I'm placing emphasis on the disposability of these various agencies, right? Crowley burns out as a drug fiend. Roos becomes a pathetic shill cooed by Crowley after adopting Crowleys sex magicka. Cagliostro is disposed of and dies in jail Edward Kelly John Dee's control who i suspect was handling Dee also goes out badly. Bolwer-Lynton also lives a long time and is hugely influential but a clear drug fiend and not able to control himself Personally, I think the whole thing is a game within a game since the cult engineers who spawned Rosicrucian in the form it took after 1614's Fama and 1616's Chemical Wedding were themselves part of this same organization which suffered a blow in 1314 when Demolay was burned.

1:38:13 but the Templar Order itself was created by a higher Benedictine grand strategy via Bernard de Clairvaux that also spawned the Hospitalliers, the esoteric inner sanctum of the Benedictines. Get us closer to the movers of the movers! This involves looking into the cults of Isis, Demeter and especially Mithra from a counterintelligence standpoint allowing A lot of this is in Volume 1 of my Revenge of the Mystery Cults, Mystery Babylon and The New Age. Lastly, just to make this point clear as possible despite the narratives of Dame Frances Yates and so many others that the Rosicrucians spawned the Renaissance in modern science via their invisible college royal society I deny it. The evidence points to the opposite they are responsible for infiltrating and subverting both the Renaissance and science with the help of their co-created Jesuit mirror image Grail Knight Jedi vs evil Sith shit Joseph Campbell & Young were all over this

1:39:13 So then I said to him, I know it was a whirlwind. I had a handful of things that I really wanted to hit because I figured that's where the audience would most be interested but time management got away from us. I do a wrap up after each episode and will pass this along to the listeners. If i'm kicking myself or leaving something out... It would be that because I get the impression you don't subscribe to spirits manifestation occult techniques actually working the way they're advertised Do you think these people just have been in a cult of ideas that don't really have any basis in reality? I'm not practicing a cultist, of course. But it seems like these are very effective people would they really adopt superstitious beliefs that don't deliver some results

1:39:56 Isn't the depth of knowledge in the occult and the consciousness-slash-reality relationship partly responsible for their effectiveness, success and power over time? I'm just curious what you might say however brief." You know i didn't want him to spend a whole lot of time on this but he came back and said For the moment, what I can say is that I have seen no evidence of supernatural engagement that was not tainted by magician's trickery. The art of making the true appear false and the inverse occurred in both physical and metaphysical domains simultaneously with the metaphysical i.e., domain of epistemological warfare having been treated more responsibly by Plato in the course of his dialogues."

1:40:40 in the art of sophistry. Harry Houdini, Frederick Schiller and Poe's work on exposing this trickery on both meta and physical levels is also highly relevant a lot of this was contained in my three volume or my volume 3 Revenge of the Mystery Cults and my wife's work on Frederick Schiller's 1798 Ghost Seer is extremely valuable too I'll put the links in the show notes Also my 2023 book science unshackled restoring causality in a world of chaos gets it all this from another angle. It also deals with your questions of theosophical irrationalist reading of sacred geometry versus actual divine geometry, which is actually all geometry properly understood as derived from pythagorean spheres man so again it's like

1:41:34 I have to go line by line and be like, oh, I agree with that. Or I don't really get what you're saying there. Like it's like a real whipsaw of ideas to me. So those are at least some leads for people who want to get to know Matt's work better anyway in higher side news we are in the new two tiered reality of THC plus and THC Plus TV That is about the biggest thing I have going on just trying to manage a more complex system but so far so good Obviously this plus show is super packed and that is where we disagreed a bit more obviously as you go on that naturally it's gonna happen he said he had a lot of psychedelic mushroom experience not another thing i would have liked to hear heard more about but, how was the clock in mind you know two hours two hours either way. I appreciate his time and coming on so well prepared and presenting himself so well

1:42:30 As we do we got a dust off the last episode and see what the rating was and this would be john perkins the economic hitman himself i loved it at our report was really good. Any came up pretty likeable and of course that should be expected with his background kind of professional like ability, end persuasiveness And it seems like the people liked it too. Had I recorded it yesterday, this show would have been a perfect five stars but right now it's a 4.9 who cares? That is crazy very rare to have his show rated so high universally loved and that's great because he did come in pretty soft on USAID and a few other things but again we don't need people to check every box on some ideological checklist and clearly a lot of listeners still liked it even with those caveats

1:43:19 Alright, and then next on the docket as always is a look at the meetup calendar which I got right here. Next on the list is July 5th The Roswell New Mexico Meet-Up during the UFO Fest at the Blackcock Brewery July 16 Ontario Ranch California at the Brew Haven location there And then July 16 NoLo in New Haven Connecticut And then they're getting together on July 20th at the Crooked Q in Colorado Springs, Colorado where I was born. And July 21st Gail Braths Alehouse Eden Terrence Auckland New Zealand that one keeps coming around again awesome stuff though i'm glad people are getting together higher side meetups dot com to make events and find details about the ones I just read out and you can meet new like-minded locals

1:44:12 Thanks for listening. Thanks to Matt for spending the time with me I will catch you on the next one, i've done my part Your move Tesla archetype engineers alternative culture creators and UFO psy-op seeders your fucking move Is it accidental How things end Or is life ritually planned Right from

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