Massimo Mazzucco | Marijuana, Moon Landings, & The Cancer Conspiracy

00:05 Puppet masters almost surely have a clearly maybe something heavy and until you've thoroughly tested every last horse just to think you know the less you really do That's true, Dr. Seuss! There would be no THC cause we know they're lying to us Just don't look without THC The higher side Jack Shaw award company

00:44 Alright, Hiresite Chatters. As we assess the situation across many different seemingly separate subjects and areas of interest we realize much of what's there is not the result of best research, the purest motivations or even randomness to say the least No ladies and gentlemen unfortunately it seems a carefully crafted tapestry of propaganda has turned everything into a funnel to keep funds flowing up to the shadowy cabal at the capstone of the precious power pyramid and keep people in ignorant servitude Because whether we're talking about education, the medical field, the energy industry, the space program, regulatory agencies UFOs geopolitics or even world events The results seem to be largely the same. Well We're not alone in our realization because today's guest Massimo Masuko is an award-winning Italian filmmaker who has been through an awakening of his own and after finding success making commercial films he decided to switch gears and use his talents to tell details they'd rather he not

01:38 documentaries like The New American Century, The True History of Marijuana, Cancer the Forbidden Cures, Global Deceit which was the first Italian documentary on the truth about 9-11 and September 11th The New Pearl Harbor a five hour plus film that looks to make the definitive case on 9-11 and point by point dismantle the paper thin arguments made by so called debunkers. A man of the people, a beacon of light in the darkness and an 8mm magic maker. Mossimo, welcome to The Higher Side! Hello Greg, nice talk to you and all your audience Thank you thank you I'm so glad to have you here A listener in our forums recommended that I check out your films And I am so glad I did because You've tackled a lot of seemingly separate subjects In your work but seem to see a lot of the same patterns when it comes to why things are they way they are don't you?

02:28 Absolutely the word seemingly is the keyword here a seemingly different you start off with one. And then once you get to the second issue which whichever it is it can be the kennedy assassination that ufo truth the nine eleven problem, The money wanna problem the cancer that forbidden curious problem even as soon as you get to the second one of them, you realize there is a connection the connection is in the pattern of line this is why actually call my collection of my dvds called the great lies of history.

03:05 Because they're all different but the old phone under this umbrella name and you mentioned that i think you skipped one which was used to have them when was a The second Dallas which was on the Robert Kennedy assassination. And the other one that you didn't mention is UFO and the military elite, which is strangely enough not a film about little green men in fact the only little green man that the film talks about are people in the Pentagon so it's really a film about how the military has been suppressing the information we have been having or receiving about UFOs since the 1950s

03:43 So it really doesn't state that yes aliens do exist but it does state that a lot of things have been kept from us and the only reason I can assume they are being kept from us is because there's something to hide. And that something can only be in my opinion alien life. In any case, I tell you my story very briefly. You mentioned the Global Deceit that was actually the first DVD I made in 2006 it was pretty much the equivalent of loose change in America. I did the same for the Italian audience. It simply shows and collects all

04:21 all the main criticism that we in the 9-11 truth movement have against the official version of 9-11. So, the facts now are very well known to everybody. The fact that these people were hijacking airplanes with box cutters and there are no pictures of them at the airport and their names in in the list of passengers lists and all that, the way the towers fell. The fact that there's no air apparently there is no airplane at the Pentagon. The fact that the hole in Shanksville does not contain a plane at all. All this you know the major problems of the official version This film was broadcast believe it or not In Italy on national television in 2006 by a Berlusconi channel

05:08 So you could say they're not the equivalent of Fox, but pretty much very conservative. Definitely not a liberal agenda and it created a big scandal of course because for the first time people in Italy saw that way the towers really collapsed with explosions on the side and they heard the testimonies about the people who heard the explosions And it caused a big stir In fact the discussion in Italy on mainstream media went on about 9-11 for about a year after that And I have to say that up to this day, I think it's the only Western country where the 9-11 issue has been thoroughly discussed at the level of mainstream media. That doesn't mean, of course, that everybody now in Italy believes that 9-11 was an inside job but at least the fact there is a problem with official version has been exposed

05:58 and has been thoroughly analyzed by the mainstream media. Of course, the way they do it is always a little tilted so it's always like you know they have a little accent towards you with your conspiracy theories and all that but actually let you speak and I had my chances to speak on Italian television And that really opened up a whole new Pandora's box for me. After that I started getting interested in, because of a friend of mine, I started getting interested in alternative cures for cancer and I found out that in the last 100 years there had been at least 10 if not more apparently valid alternative cures for cancer based on natural products which had either been dismissed or ignored, or distorted lied on meaning they tell you that they don't work when they know that they do work. And so I made this compilation of alternative methods. I don't suggest anyone in particular i'm not a doctor so my film is very

06:59 very clearly disclaimed that I only do this as an historical, from a historical point of view. But there are once you again, you know once you start seeing all these cures that have emerged apparently valid with a lot a lot a lot of testimonies from people that they say they were cured with for example with The AC activity made in canada or with the hoxy treatment or with the girls therapy or with a shark cartilage or with the vitamin b seventeen by jimmy and all that once you see the pattern again and every time we have

07:35 this possibility of curing cancer, you find out that official medicine does not come in and actually have an inquiry on it and then see if it's possible to cure. But they suppress it, they don't want to hear about it because you cannot make money out of a natural product. You cannot patent vitamins for example, vitamin B12, B17, you cannot patent that so basically they did... If they cannot make money, they disregard it, dismiss it And sometimes they even put people in jail, they have in the past if they are too dangerous or they force them to have their clinics outside of US. For example Gerson whom I'm sure many of your listeners have heard off was forced to have his clinic only in Mexico he cannot operate... He's dead now but this is son and daughter and grandson cannot operate in United States it's forbidden

08:31 The same was done for Hoxie, a guy who found the herbal treatment for cancer back in the 40s and 50s. This guy had up to 17 clinics in the 1950's People were coming in and getting cured from cancer until AMA, the American Medical Association came in and they had him close all the hospitals at once. And they forced him to just open up in Mexico he cannot operate his dad now but again his people cannot operate in United States now so this was a common pattern when I saw that all these stories have same patterns I realized that of course there must be some interest really not curing cancer and that the real interest of the so-called

09:17 worldwide oncological system is to simply have the patients come in and force them to accept the only three available cures that they offer them, which is surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy. And then until they live, they make money out of them basically, they milked him like cows and when they die, oops coming you know not let's let let the next one come in there really do not have any interest in curing cancer, the machine The money making machine that the cancer industry is does not allow them to find a cure for cancer even if they had one, they would not tell you. That was the conclusion I came to and thats why i made this film

09:56 Yeah man that is a pretty decent overview i mean you've made so many films the pattern of course like you said does seem to be fairly the same in a very parallel from one subject to another and, no seeing something like loose change on television seems pretty impossible over here yes where are the italian people a little more open to the idea of it being a false flag. Well in a way what think of this the two to screen at film on nine eleven in the states would mean to have to basically admit. That we did it ourselves for foreign country like italy is relatively easier, judge a foreign country like america united states

10:38 Not that there are many lovers of the United States here. In fact, I was attacked as an anti-American here and I was attacked as anti-democratic because a lot of people like the United States here Of course but it is easier because it's not us you know talking about us in fact We have had a season of state-sponsored terrorism back in the 70s and 80s, which was so intense that we have coined the term state sponsored terrorism. And it's actually used normally in mainstream conversation here. Wow! So we do accept... we do accept the idea that state sponsored terrorism does exist

11:23 And that this could be or could not be, but at least the idea that this exists is accepted in mainstream media and mainstream thinking. So that helps a lot because you can always suggest something inside job and you don't fall completely out of the thinking frame there's at least some precedent we know For the United States it's different. We only had, in the United States we've only had... I say we because i'm also American and have double nationality so I can play either one whenever is more convenient for me when its convenient im Italian and when its convenient im American anyway um In the united states there was only Oklahoma City

12:03 And it was really the first time that terrorism hit home. And that was put away with a guy from the right-wing groups, what do you call them? Christian Right military groups. So that was put away of course I'm not convinced it was that but there was only one and for an American person average American to have to accept Your own government know it does not is not actually there to protect you they don't care about you in fact and have to come to that realization and even consider that i could've killed three thousand of their own just to pursue the wrong geopolitical agenda in far east and middle east afghanistan and iraq

12:52 It's very hard, it's not easy. In fact I always say that 9-11 is primarily a psychological problem it's not a technical problem if you are ready to accept it psychologically the evidence is there and its overwhelming There isn't an argument there The problem is that the human being has a mechanism of self defense denial mechanism If you know that you're going towards a conclusion that you are not able to accept, then you'll just deny it upfront. Denial mechanism kicks in. It's actually as a safety thing that we have and is good that humans have it because they can keep away from things that would be too hurtful

13:37 I think in fact that this is the problem with nine eleven very few people are ready to accept it was inside job i'm speaking of course assuming that your audience at least mostly. Understands or agrees that this wasn't a job if this is not there yet help me because i should change no no we're on that page okay just you know just make sure because otherwise can i think what did he get this crazy guy okay So basically it's a psychological problem. I have one anecdote that was very, very meaningful to me when i completed the second film on 9-11 as i said the first one was only in italian and it was 2006 then 2009

14:20 the new american century which is in english and italian and that covers not only, the events of 90 specific events of 9-11 but the entire scenario that could have been behind. The political scenario, the economical, geostrategical aspects of why did united states need a 911 because they were it was absolutely needed and what happened in the next 15 years by the way showed very clearly When I did that second film, I gave it to my next door neighbor. And I was living in Los Angeles there and said this is a film that gives you an alternative idea of what could have happened on 9-11. And I remember her face when i give the DVD just came home with them in the box so he just gave him one

15:07 A week later she returns it to me and says, oh yeah it's a very sad story. And she gave it back to me and they still have the cellophane on that you know that plastic covering? She had not even opened it up! That showed to me what Denial can do. She knew that if she had opened that thing and popped into the DVD player, she might have to come deal with Thoughts that she wasn't ready to deal with so she just preferred not to look at it. That's really the problem in 9-11 It's such a large Realization that you have to come to and such a large concept You have to accept that not many people are ready for in fact The reason why 9-eleven remains to this day? The biggest lie in recent history is a quote in a quote by Marshall McLuhan he said small secrets are the most difficult to keep

16:01 For the very large ones people's incredulity will always be sufficient. In other words, the very fact that you go oh come on that can't be it's too big! You are the very guardian, the very how do you say cell holder? The very...you keep yourself prisoner by your own unwillingness to accept such a large reality which is uncomfortable That's why it works that's true that's what was hitler said the larger the light the more people would have to believe it because accepting such a large live with me to change completely your way of thinking. And rather than do that most people just you know brother not look at it

16:41 I'm out of that yeah i mean i was in high school at the time and the idea of self sabotage it did seem so radical when it was first presented to me but, once you learn the history of false flags and operation northwood the gulf of tonkin i mean then start to realize okay nine eleven is really just one of many in a long pattern of deceptive elite doing this themselves justify their own means but. You know all your films are so enjoyable I really did want to get into the true history of marijuana because it is a subject near and dear to my heart and a topic that doesn't get talked about nearly enough for a show called The Higher Side Chats. We also have that 420 holiday right around the corner

17:21 But truthfully, this isn't a silly stoner issue. I mean hundreds of thousands of lives have been affected through the prison system and the suppression of its medical uses so it really isn't a joke but talk to us about your decision to make this film and why you thought it was such a worthy topic. Well I'm probably one of the very few people who never smoked marijuana in my life. Sorry to hear that! No, I tried but it just gave me a headache My son kept saying try and trying daddy try and the few times i tried it just gave me headaches so that was not the reason certainly why i would do this film like that no its because when i started studying the history of 1930s and the way the petrochemical industry was born

18:04 I realized that the whole demonization of marijuana has almost everything to do with the industrial aspect of cannabis and almost nothing to do with the drug aspect of land. Right, the consumption? Yeah! That was an excuse that was used to actually get rid of the industrial cannabis which was a problem in the 1930's Not only was cannabis used regularly for everything, and I mean everything from food to textiles to medicine to combustibles. You could make everything from that! So how are you going to create a whole new industry of petrochemical where you want to burn oil and not cannabis? When you want to make chemical medicines in the lab and not use natural

18:47 compounds like cannabis, when you want to introduce new textiles that are synthetic as opposed to natural fabric like the cannabis fabric. You have to get rid of this huge obstacle and the only way to do it was to demonize they were very smart they demonized not the plant itself which was beloved by everybody but its byproduct or the flower which contains the THC The higher side chat and by doing that they did such a good job in demonizing.

19:25 the devil's weed that even today there are people who are still convinced from that propaganda from the 40s and 50s, quote unquote marijuana is a stepping stone towards drugs and if you start you never come back. And your brain is gonna be I mean all of that stupidity has no scientific validation whatsoever was done so well by the propaganda machine that even today we have people who are sincerely convinced that marijuana has all those bad effects on you, which nobody can prove scientifically but still it's a common knowledge. At the same time the only scientific research that has been done on marijuana from the 1940s on has shown over and over again does not damage your brain, does not lead you to use heavier drugs

20:20 Not one person has ever died of marijuana overdose in history. And basically it's just a very light drug that people can do whatever they want with it if they want to, doesn't hurt anyone else but because of the industrial aspect they had to keep... and of course now once we found out that it has great medical effects That part was jeopardized because Already you can't use it because it's part of I think it's called schedule one. Yeah It was placed together with drugs Which you cannot even test for medical use like heroin and some other drugs, which I don't know lsd I take another so basically by placing Cannabis or marijuana in schedule 1 together with those other drugs? It was made impossible to even test their medical validity

21:11 And of course, the first move would be to remove marijuana from schedule one and put it into schedule two where you can actually. But then of course the cat would be out of the bag because everybody would have to admit scientifically that it has incredible medical powers especially against cancer. In fact when I made a film on cancer... Oh! I'm sorry actually this is The Connection even forgot about it When I made the film on cancer which came before the one on marijuana. I also heard somebody told me, you know it has good effects for cancer so i started studying marijuana for cancer And I started finding so many things about marijuana that I decided to remove the marijuana chapter from the cancer film and to make a film of its own. Because there was so much material on marijuana, that's how it led me to it because again being an non-smoker I was not particularly interested in this but on doing The Cancer Film I found that the connection and historical reasons why it was removed led me to make a whole separate film from it which is called The True History Of Marijuana

22:16 It is so crazy how much influences the couple billionaires can really yield and industrial aspects they are vast and very serious because, you know you take a drive up to the pacific northwest you see these huge mountain sides just with a bunch of dead trees just stumps everywhere hundreds of stamps redwoods that take decades to grow and. you know not to mention what we've done in the amazon with the industries have done to destroy the rain forest and it's all about lumber and timber but yet marijuana can fulfill all of those roles very well even better in a lot of cases, add only takes a few months to grow and you can grow on the same patch around four times a year. And it would be a beautiful thing so much more efficient and yet the pollution destruction of the earth I mean its no small thing

23:07 No, and you said it would do it better. And that's actually the reason why it would make uncompetitive all the chain of products from the petrochemical industry from plastic to oil to synthetic textiles to synthetic medicines a lot of that could be replaced with cannabis and THC and other cannabinoids but of course because it is better They would lose and that's why they can't afford it is not even if it would not be a fair competition thats actually the reason why they had to get take out of the game to begin with you don't start playing football if you have. The best national league team in front of you want to get rid of them if you wanna win something and thats what they did very sad because the whole

23:57 pollution problem that even today, it's afflicting Earth comes from that greed of wanting to win the battle against a natural product in order to be able to impose your petrochemical products. And it is so interesting to me how when you really get down to things, a lot of times it's one crucial action or one specific moment that changes the course of history for decades. At this time William Randolph Hearst had just bought a ton of timberland he just invested so heavily in this and had not done that he might not have been so motivated to demonize marijuana and set this course

24:44 of action and emotion. It's kind of crazy because also at that time, of course DuPont had just bought patents to make consumer products from oil that would have completely been displaced by hemp and so you have these billionaires who had just made these investments and as a result they demonized their competition that would've put them out of business but it is these few people doing very specific things its very interesting It's always a few people Greg, it is always a few people that control the world. Unfortunately because it's the amount of money they can move that matters not the number of people I think we, normal people never stood a chance until some ten years ago when the internet started. I think that the internet was and still is and will definitely be the most important revolution in history of humankind

25:39 Because for the first time since 10-15 years people have direct and filtered access to information. Of course this comes with problems because you have to learn how to separate good information from bad information, that's part of the game but for those who learned how to do that I mean i could not made any of these 8 films that are made in last ten years had it had internet on existed i would not know these things to begin with all the information i have which i put into my films come from researching on the internet so im just basically a manufacturer of transform goods, find information there and put it out there again on the internet.

26:24 But none of that would, I didn't know anything 15 years ago. I didn't know anything about cannabis but alternative cures for cancer about the suppression of truth on the UFOs about who really killed Robert Kennedy or John Kennedy you could have had doubts about those but today's you can really research and find out and in fact let me just add something here that the new film i'm working on which is almost completely It's going to be called American moon and it's about the moon hoax issue whether we went or not to the moon. All of the information that I'm using, let me state where i stand first because you need to know that. I was a professional photographer for 25 years before just limiting myself to directing films

27:14 As a professional photographer, as I kid of course believed we went to the moon. When i became a professional photographer and one day bumped into the Apollo pictures again... I said oh my god what a badly botched up job they did! As a professional you can tell immediately that those pictures are not made, they're not sunlit, there are made in studio actually with artificial light And a pretty bad job too, which was the job you could do back in the 60s. You had no digital retouching then. You had to do everything in the darkroom. Now I happen to have learned in the same years...I started being an assistant photographer in 74 so basically only a few year after the Apollo missions ended So I know everything about the dark room and I can actually recognize all of those little tricks that they used in the dark room To make those pictures look like they're on the moon

28:08 I can see where they added the background that was a distant, that's just the picture. But there is line separating the foreground from the background. I guess it's shadows when they've been corrected and all of that okay so thats why i stand so i decided to make this from about the moon and I wanted to do this 20 years ago before the internet. I would not know where to turn because until then, until the end of last century all you had was a few pictures that were published by Life magazine Time Magazine that and if he wanted to get like three new pictures from NASA You would have to write to them pay for the prints wait six months Then that's not doing one now the entire archive

28:51 of the Apollo pictures is available online. Each single shot, 6,000 shots from more or less 6,000 shots from six missions to the moon or six alleged missions to the moon I've downloaded them all! I can now work with comparing angles of the same sets and that helps a lot. The amount of information available today makes it much easier for me to reach the conclusions or rather to show other people why I think that the pictures are fake. It would have been very difficult back before the internet because you didn't have the material available now all of the videos that NASA shot on the moon trips are available and all the pictures, and even just by comparing the pictures with the videos which are supposed to be in continuity shot at the same time

29:45 You can tell that there are changes and problems, meaning that they shot first the pictures and then the same scene with the video or vice versa. Anyway I'm not gonna get into details of what this is but the fact that all this information is available it's a click away made everything much easier It still very difficult job to put together film and prove something like that or make it truly believable but at least the access to information is there and this is really what is changing the history of the world so take another generation. before the effects of the internet on humanity are really known. But by then, there'll be so much less people watching TV and drinking their news, I mean swallowing their news or fake news from TV and looking for their own truth on the internet. It's gonna be another generation it's going to be hard because at the same time there is a big pushback from the powers that be so that they actually fight back on the internet you have a lot of lies on the internet as well

30:48 Right the fake news stuff i mean that's exactly the campaign they're doing is trying to create so much ambiguity on the internet that you can't even trust that resource although. You know in those early stages for us were so lucky to have really been there, when the floodgates were just wide open, because yeah. I mean we've learned so much and the moon landing definitely is suspicious. I'm super convinced that the footage is fake. I don't know if we ever went to the moon with some special tech on the back end you can't know that but what was shown on TV as largely stagecraft and the space program itself is such a huge money sink to anybody who's like well why would they do this? I mean why would they do it billions of dollars is why they would do it

31:31 Not only that, but I think they got to a point. I mean, I've studied the historical part from 1961 to 1969 so from the day Kennedy announced we'll put him on the moon and return him safely to Earth in 61 until the actual alleged landing in 69. I think that up until 1967, the entire Apollo program was real in that I mean, it has been real all the way in that they were really trying to build these machines to go to the moon. They were really trying to build the survival system to breathe for eight hours on the moon. They were really trying to build a rover that would actually go across the moon with batteries and all of that. The problem is that they got—this is my conviction, my conclusion—they got around 1967 and realized not only was the deadline coming closer

32:23 But the problems and stakes were getting higher. And when the Apollo mission started in 67, they had a great accident where three astronauts were practically burned alive inside the capsule on a test flight and that put them back another year-and-a-half and they were already late in the schedule. By then I think one side realized that would not be able to do it but on the other they realize they could not admit that they could not do it They were prisoners, I'm talking about NASA. Prisoners of their own propaganda they had been pushing for the last six or seven years If you look at the propaganda films from NASA from the 60s on every other sentence is this will go to the moon This will take man to the moon The propaganda was so intense You couldn't just go on TV and say sorry guys we're kidding Actually we're not gonna make it We really don't have that technology There's too many hurdles

33:20 But at that point also, they had all their simulation system in place so they could actually simulate and I'm saying it by 67 an entire mission to the moon and back in a studio. So I'm sure and I'm convinced that somebody said hey you know what guys if we just give them this films that we use every day for to train for landing, to train for walks, to train for this or that they look exactly like they were on the moon All we need to do is give them these films, pre-film it. Go to a studio film the walks on the moon and insert that and broadcast it back as live who's gonna know its recorded? I mean only few people needed to know what was really fed into The Big Dish that was receiving images from the moon live on July 20th 1969. So suppose you prerecorded all... That first Moonwalk was prerecorded

34:17 And on July 29th, 1969 you put that actual feed into the dish that's receiving. The images from the moon, the first people you would actually dupe are those at NASA who stand up and clap and are convinced that we made it to the moon. So here comes a big argument usually they say oh there's so many people involved in such large conspiracy somebody would have talked sooner or later no these people nobody needed to know only a very very small handful of people needed to know including astronauts which is a whole thing on itself, but besides the astronauts only like 20-30 people would need to know at the very top of NASA. The rest that would be the first victims of the deceit and that's why I think the lie has stayed on for such a long time and nobody talks because nobody really knows that we didn't except for those who actually worked on faking it very few people

35:15 And there are so many factors in the moon landing hoax and people really should watch your documentary when it comes out or look at this stuff because a lot of it requires that visual element which we don't have here. But I did want to ask you about the Van Allen radiation belt element, its something that gets brought up alot The Apollo mission astronauts are really the only human beings to ever supposedly get through this. And even if you do get past it, there's all kinds of cosmic rays and radiation flying around in space. Absolutely! What can you tell us about that element? In the fact that it just might not actually be physically possible? Well, and that's a very big argument in the debate. First of all, the so-called Van Allen belts were discovered in 1958 by one James van Allen

36:04 We actually send up a probe and just in the last minute thought it would put also geiger counter in the problem is going out for something else but they realize that space was radioactive what realizes actually that there is this. Don't shake ring of radiation because basically not from the north pole to south pole but maybe a little lower like on the thirtieth degree parallel I mean three quarters of the earth so to speak. You leave out the south pole and the north pole, it's open on the ends there is actually no radiation for the rest. Radiation goes from north to south in a curved way and this belts are from 5000-25000 miles high they realize that these belts are actually what keeps us alive on earth because they trap and keep untrapped all the radiations that comes from cosmos

36:58 So basically those are very high protons and electrons going at incredible speed in there. And Van Allen said, and wrote an article in 1958 or 59 or so We said, you know future astronauts that was already talked about going to the moon. So I said future astronauts will better devise a way to protect themselves very heavily because there's no way you can get through this without dying. He called actually lethal radiations surround Earth that was the title of the scientific article he published so this is the first part of the problem Van Allen says and warns everybody there's no way out either you go out from the North Pole he said

37:39 Or you have to protect yourself very heavily, which was impossible because of the weight you would have to put in space. To protect astronauts but also you couldn't really go out from the North Pole because you can just go up and then turn right like your intersection. And to go to the moon you have to go out through almost the equator so to speak. So you have to go out horizontally so to speak. You get a better speed...You can't just go out and then turn it when traveling at 27000 miles per hour So it was basically impossible and this is part one of the problem. In fact, during the 61-62-63 period during the preparation for Gemini and all that NASA was studying intensely what to do with these radiation belts. Strangely enough by 68, by the time the first mission manned mission was actually sent through the belt and we need to go back and state one thing every single

38:36 Space operation that ever happened in the history of humanity as happened within the van allen belt gemini mercury so use the russian did actual Space station now everything is below this belt so we are protected the only humans who have allegedly crossed them as you said before, are the Apollo astronauts from Apollo 8 on. So we come to 68 and suddenly they decide to launch Apollo eight to go around the moon and come back before they land that I wanted to go around and see if it was everything was okay. They put these people out through the Van Allen belts without even sending a monkey before with all the warnings that they've had

39:15 They put them out with no protection whatsoever because we simply possible to protect them because of the weight issue and without even sending a monkey. And the funny thing is that if you listen to recordings of apollo eight, Traveling to the moon date don't even mention the crossing is that you would expect this guys to be the first in history to say, are you know what we still alive without feel anything yet so far so good no i dont they don't even mentioned that they talk about how the toothbrush floats in space. So basically We have this strange version of NASA when NASA in 69 to 72 says it turned out that there was not so dangerous actually the radiation you get through the belt is the same as getting three chest x-rays in three years or something like that. Everybody said okay well then okay Van Allen was wrong must've been wrong right?

40:07 Nope, because now that the Orion mission, the Orion project is actually planning and I believe for the first time to actually go out and go to the moon. Suddenly, the radiation problem of the Van Allen belts is back! Now you have a video and you can look it up on YouTube, lookup Kelly Smith Radiation Belts because Kelly Smith is the guy from NASA who confesses very candidly on camera That before we send people in outer space, we have to cross this very dangerous radiation area called Van Allen belt. And we need to test this before we can put men through there. So the question comes, excuse me didn't we just do that 50 years ago and there was no problem? So you have this unique situation where after they discovered it up until 1968 they are defined lethal by all scientific body from 68-72 magically become harmless

41:05 And then after that and up until today, they're dangerous again. Somebody's got to clarify that. So it's very difficult to quantify the actual radiation impact Because of the actual angle that you take going out on the tangent and all that so it's really impossible to prove how much Radiation would the astronauts get on themselves going through them? But it is definitely legitimate to ask excuse me if this was done 50 years ago Why is there a problem again today, and as you said before once you get out there. It's a whole different ballgame

41:40 Because once you cross them, you're really out in outer space. And that's where you get all kinds of cosmic radiation—gamma rays, X-rays, alpha particles—you name it! They all go through the body and they all go through the ship. There is no way to stop those. Right and all the space debris that's apparently flying around our planet like thousands of little pieces of metal and all kinds Of stuff that are apparently moving at a thousand miles an hour. That seems pretty dangerous And risky to just hop through that well first of all this was not a problem in 68 and 68 there were very few satellites up there but Today, I would certainly be careful where you going because yeah You have to know your way through that stuff yes

42:22 Also, if you just put the astronauts statements and odd body language under the microscope that alone is quite telling. The press conference that they had three weeks before after they returned from the moon Armstrong Aldrin and Collins You would expect the most, the three most triumphant smiles on their faces. I mean in fact when they come in and they go sit behind their desk, the entire body of journalists from all over the world stands up and gives them a standing ovation for some ten minutes but these guys look like there at funeral. They have eyes looking down, they look each other like what are we doing here? What are we gonna say? Their answers are so

43:05 scripted and i'm convincing i mean it. Armstrong is asked at some point he says the general says from england says what do you think this is the meaning for the future of humanity and armstrong was like, i think this is a very big step for the future of mankind i mean its so odd So freaky and they look at each other before after each answer Like could you see the stars from the moon and they look at each other like what are we gonna say? Yes. No, I don't know You speak now you say that I mean it's really embarrassing mm-hmm And you must think that if if the trips were faked of course The astronauts would have to in on it and To convince these people to have to carry this lie through their life

43:53 Must have been the hardest part i think for them to swallow right this guys grew up from the mercury project mercury seven many of them. With the dream of being one day those who went to the moon. Just imagine after you train for your whole life, 20 years in your life for this great event that's coming closer and closer and then a year before or two days before you get on the rocket as far we know, you're told there is no way we can get you back so were gonna have to fake it. And you are going to have shut up because this is basically the prestige of America thats at stake right now if anybody speaks

44:29 You know we're gonna look like stupid people, like gooks. And so they had to live with this lie and this is I think the reason why they all retired from NASA immediately afterwards They all went into very strange private life Aldrin became alcoholic a drug addict divorced three times his life was wrecked Armstrong retired to private life never gave interview i think you get three interviews in his entire life and one of those interviews when it was not actually very. Positive about nasa at all i think it was nineteen ninety nine or two thousand he presented by vice president gore, add some word or something any gave the speech

45:13 And he said we leave a lot i'm not paraphrasing now we live a lot left for the new generations to discover. End this going to be reward for those who can remove one of many layers that cover truth what kind of talk is that Or somebody, you know. What are you talking about sir? You just tell me that I want to follow in your footsteps and now when I go where you have been. Yeah. Now there's a lot of layers that cover truth and bait. You guys got to work on it basically. That's the message he gave. Oh! And by the way, I agree with you when you say it doesn't mean they never went to the moon or... You know, I never said we never went to the moon. I said that Apollo missions are definitely fake

45:58 Whether there's people actually even now going back and forth to the moon with different means that we don't know about, that are not public. It is very possible like I cannot exclude that but I am convinced as a photographer and from the research of made that those images are all staged. That's absolutely sure. I mean that's all we have access to analyze so it's all the decisions and conclusions you can make Let me give one little anecdote When I saw these pictures as a photographer and i was shocked, I called the guy who taught me photography. The guy whose assistant had been for three years and who taught me everything about this business name is Olivero Toscani in Italy he's extremely famous In America well known at high levels we're talking about one of the ten worldwide top photographers of that era so I call him up and say what did you think when you first saw the Apollo pictures on the moon?

46:54 And he said, Massimo I thought that had they asked me to do them. I would have done a much better job This was the answer by one of the top professional photographers photographers know easily Like an expert on horse, on horses can immediately tell a quick horse from a loser. Right Or an expert in painting can tell you know I cannot tell the difference between fake Rembrandt and real one An expert it takes him two seconds so this is for photographers on the moon pictures Yeah Man, I am excited to see your full breakdown in the film when it does come out. I wanted to segue a little bit back to the cancer issue. You did give us an overview but it is a pretty important thing. You go into the chemo treatment which I knew was a grueling process but my god! I didn't know that it was nearly as bad as described in the film

47:50 It is bad because it is actually carcinogenic. And I'm not the one who says that, he says on the... You know the little paper that comes with a medicine when you open the medicine there's a paper inside? What do you call that? The disclaimer? Well no, its just a paper with all instructions and tells everything about the medicine you just bought and on top of many of these chemotherapy drugs are the most popular, this drug is carcinogenic or carcinogenic for humans. And also radiotherapy, obviously is carcinogenic So two out of the three quote-unquote solutions that we are offered except for surgery The other two which is radio and chemotherapy are actually carcinogenic Now what kind of world can pretend that it wants to cure you when they know that they're actually killing you?

48:44 But in the process, they're making a lot of money off you. Some of these chemo drugs are worth like 30-40 thousand dollars a month so every month you can last on those drugs somebody's making 40 thousand dollars and same for radio right? The whole radiology, the radiotherapy system is huge and extremely expensive So of course Every time you go for a radiotherapy, somebody makes a lot of money out there. Who wants to break this... I don't know if you say golden cow? It's a money-making thing and you cannot afford to cure cancer because what are you going to do with all this? You can't sell medicines anymore

49:30 Yeah, man and you go through so many cases of cancer cures that have sprung up over the years And then we're quickly suppressed tell us about the infrastructure put in place to do that because this again is a case of Rockefeller Morgan and Carnegie being the major players responsible right well. The infrastructure is very simple oh After you studied it's very simple the AMA in the 1930s took control over the so-called naturalistic doctors. Up until the beginning of the next century, the last century you could cure yourself both ways with a naturalistic or an allopathic doctor because both were allowed. 1930's AMA was born and slowly they started excluding the naturopathic doctors and would only allow allopathic doctors

50:25 At the same time, when we say Rockefeller's we say all the big bankers, the Carnegie's, the Mellon and all that. The big bankers who are investing money in chemical medicines also took control of universities by means of large donations and in exchange for seats in the boards of these universities. So, between five and 10 years time they managed to take control also of what was being taught at university and this is why actually today you have oncologists who come out of the university and they're totally convinced that no alternative cure is available because that's what they teach them. They teach them how to laugh when you come up with alternative cure. Go to your oncologist who says suppose one day I hope not

51:15 your oncologist tells you that, your college tells you that you have cancer. And you try to go up to him and says, doctor I heard the chart cartilage works? Not only is he gonna say no, it's gonna laugh at you. He'll be like please, like I know better. That's the attitude. That attitude is being taught. They're not all let me say this bad word they're not all assholes in themselves. It's the attitude that's been taught in schools and universities Please don't even listen to those alternative quacks. Your mind is not ready to accept an alternative anymore, and that's why every doctor you go to whenever you mention an alternative cure will laugh at you I always suggest when people ask me what to do with cancer And what do i say? You know whatever you do Don't tell your doctor because it's gonna be a waste of time then you're gonna fight over and might break up your relationship with him

52:11 And in fact sometimes it's happened that people have taken an alternative route and they didn't tell their doctors, and then they actually healed. And they went back to the doctors what the hell have you been doing? You're supposed to be dead by now! And they didn't tell him. He says, well you know miracle because it's the only way really that works for them Let me give you one little anecdote to me was again something very very meaningful about cancer When I moved to the states i had this dog that was like 16 years old and one day noticed that the dog doesn't walk anymore she has problems I take her to the vet

52:47 That takes x rays and says look this dog has a tumor on the liver just as large as the liver itself basically so if you want I can operate but in six weeks from now this dog is gonna be dead anyway. And i said well you know operating see what happens, i go home and start giving my dog shark cartilage which i knew from experience with a friend of mine that works in that it stops new tumors from growing. It stops every metastasis that you have, if its small enough which would be after the operation. It gets suffocated by the short cartilage So I started giving her short cartilage and the dog lives okay? So move fast forward two years later The dog is now 18 has a bad tooth. I go back to the clinic I end up by chance with the same vet

53:38 He doesn't remember the dog, of course. So he removes the tooth I tell him nothing then he takes that paperwork and stops this is wait a minute This dog cannot be alive. I operated it's my signature here. I operated carcinoma two years ago It has to be dead and so what does it look like to you? What did you do? What did you do said? I did chart cartilage and I explained everything So for a moment it was interesting because he had the dog in front of him, right? So I said can you take x-rays please. He says please go ahead so we did a new round of X rays and you could see in the liver

54:15 this little black dots surrounded by like a gel, like a gray gel. And that's exactly what shark cartilage does the dark dots were the metastasis the cancer coming back and the gray gel around was the shark cartilage actually suffocating and killing the metastasis. This is why the dog never had cancer again so he was all shocked I'm gonna look it up Two weeks later i walk by in front of the place with the same dog and running to him on the street and said so did you have a chance to look up. Oh yeah i looked it up but that is all bullshit basically it's not really nice just a bad as they did that doesn't work and i had the dog with me alive in front of him,

55:03 But his mentality, he went to ask probably some clinical master or something. Some of his colleagues and they must have said it's all BS so you accepted it because this is their mentality This is why you will never have except for extremely rare situations You will never have an oncologist an orthodox oncologist suggest an alternative cure. To answer your question, they made sure that these alternative cures never become successful by simply teaching their doctors to reject them up front Mm-hmm. And you also talk about how fear goes into the whole thing and I get it, I sometimes worry if i got cancer would I really have the courage to just put all my faith in one of these alternatives even though I've seen the research? It's very difficult too to really follow through when it's a personal thing like that. If you came down with cancer knowing what you know having done all the research what would your game plan be

56:04 Well, in my particular case because I've done extensive research. I wouldn't even go close to an orthodox doctor Mm-hmm? I would only use them to get diagnosis and then I would look for my alternative cure But that's me because I've been in such a proximity with studying these things You know and talking too For example there is one doctor in my film named Simon Cini, an Italian one who cures cancer with sodium bicarbonate And I'm not gonna tell you now why that works, but in the beginning of course I was laughing at the idea. That you know, sodium bicarbonate can cure cancer then he explained to me why and I accepted it But then I said I'd like to interview some of your people You have healed because you know when I talk to them directly well it ended up in three years I put together a collection of maybe 40 or 50 patients who told me basically the same story

56:57 I was cancer with stage four or stage five, that was sent home to die. Official medicine told me that there was nothing else they could do for me, that i was taught to put my things in order and go home and enjoy my last days with my family. And thats when i started this cure with Dr Simoncini and low and behold suddenly im cured! I have no more cancer, i didnt have to remove the organs and everything So, in my particular case because I've been in touch with these people. I've interviewed them directly. I know that this or any other cure like the Gerson therapy or the SCFT do work for a person who is in between A person let's say who says... Who knows that there are alternative cures but does not know for sure It's a very difficult place to be Because on one side you don't have the courage like you said To just throw yourself into an alternative cure

57:48 But on the other you need to understand that the official medicine the academic medicine preys on your fear They use the fact of your fear in order to give you what they want Once, you know that what they're gonna give you will eventually kill you because that's what chemotherapy Eventually does in the long run. They say you have a better quality of life and although sure but then I'm dead Because what happens with chemotherapy is that? By killing or trying to kill the cancer cells, it also kills the good cells of the immune system. It's like sending a SWAT team in the place where you know that there are four terrorists, but there is also 50 normal people. Sure you kill everybody but you also killed the healthy people. The healthy people being the immune system part that still works, you're relinquishing any possibilities we have left to heal by yourself. What I think is important to understand about cancer

58:45 is that most of these remedies do not actually cure cancer directly, like the ACIAC-T, the Hoxie treatment or the Gerson therapy. They don't actually fight cancer. They restore your immune system and then your immune system takes care of the cancer except for again a couple which are shark cartilage and bicarbonate which attack directly the tumor and in that, they can be defined as allopathic. All the rest really does not cure cancer it enables you to get rid of cancer if you're not already at the very last stage and your immune system is still let's say decent You can help it to become 110% efficient and get rid of cancer If instead at that point where your immune system is already weak

59:43 Debilitated and you go in direction of chemotherapy. You end up killing the rest so short for 10 minutes You will have killed cancer, but by the end of the week you have nothing left to defend you And when cancer comes back it just eats you up right I'm with you man And this has been a lot of fun man. It looks like we're getting close to the finish line here You've covered a lot of topics in your documentaries Of course you have the moon landing one coming out next are there any other subjects? Do you plan on tackling down the line that you want to tell us about or give us a preview up? The next one if I have the energy, the brain and the time and all that. That i would like to do after the moon is on economy in the banking system. Yeah! I think that's obviously the number one issue of the world right now. I'm not a big expert in economy so I need to study alot before I do that so thats why been postponing it little bit

1:00:39 And also, but I think there's something that needs to be clarified once and for all. Where the whole humanity is really enslaved states now nations are enslaved not people just nations are enslaved in the debt system, debt slavery slaves of debt and until that is clarified and until people really understand how this works there's no way out of that system slavery will continue in a very nice form and we're in the form that makes you feel like your free but really i mean i can't do like mine has two thousand hundred think me down to two thousand billion. The foreign debt that we have to pay basically put forty percent of the taxes with pages to play this depth which obviously kills entire economy now our lifestyle just take what we could do it,

1:01:34 40% less taxes to be paid that could go directly into the economy. And that really tells you what's controlling the world, I'm talking about the Western world now. Especially Europe with their Euro money with a currency that has been unified, that is really a political weapon to control 27 nations with one button and you can see for example in Greece last year when Greece tried Rebel to react and get out of europe they need to press that button the closer banks. People were left with no money and obviously they had to accept your system banking, make a system because otherwise you know i can end up with no money you control the money over country control the country when you control the money of twenty seven countries you want to all europe

1:02:27 So from one little office somewhere in Brussels out there where the capital of Europe is, somebody can control all that. This needs to be understood and clarified at least it cannot be reversed in a week or two but I think its necessary to make at least that information available the most possible clear way so people then can decide whether they still want it or not you know ultimately up to the people To revolt against you cannot have a leader that would go against the big powers that be it will always be a loser. The only way for any kind of change or revolution to happen is when, A large enough number of people understand a problem and before the problem goes away because they just unmask it. But yeah we expose but it has to be a large number of people and has to be majority as to get to tipping point

1:03:19 There's a little bit that is happening now with vaccines and medicines. There are a lot of people now that don't trust vaccines anymore, and they're very weary of just getting regular medicines without at least checking themselves. That's getting near the tipping point already in terms of self-control over your own health. If that happened also with the rest of our lives It's going to be fun. I hope that I'll be around long enough to see something like that happen." You are right, there is a little bit of hope in some of these different areas but it is true that the banker's tentacles wrap around pretty much everything in this world and one of my favorite phrases or quotes – can't remember who said it but about the way the system has worked – with

1:06:07 Happy days are here again, Hiresite Chatters. How about that? Massimo Mazzucco! Mmm! Another great guest request from the oh-so sexy THC Plus forums and I wanted to say I do so much tech support and customer service for THC Plus Forgotten Passwords people who can't get logged in or can't get the feed or app working...I handle a good couple hours of those messages a week And it eats up a lot of my time to actually engage on the forums and have some fun But I did put out a big Jared Kushner thread there and i'm psyched to see what you people think. But anyway, big thanks to Massimo he's done a lot of great work and to talk about marijuana moon landings and suppressed cancer cures in one episode...I thought was pretty great

1:06:51 I was hoping to get this out on 420, but in classic stoner fashion...I didn't. And you know what's funny? Some of my detractors have actually accused me of not being a weed smoker! That is how paranoid and guarded some elements of the conspiracy community are Not that they don't have a reason to be But to be skeptical of the fact that i can be a daily smoker AND produce a good show Maybe you should change the stereotype you have in your head Of what a stoner can be Maybe you're buying into a little propaganda that weed has to make you lazy and stupid. Could that just be a little more likely than the idea that I'm faking it for some reason? It's just a little annoying because i do get it from both sides, I've also had dozens of people write me and say they love the show but can't join Plus because they don't want their money to go to drugs which I say okay your money won't go to drugs! I'll make sure your $5 goes specifically to rent is that okay?!

1:07:46 Do you put a waiter or waitress through the same scrutiny before you tip them? Do you visit these sweatshops that make your clothes and check for sobriety, I mean it's sort of an insane standard to hold me too by comparison right. But i am happy to be the stoner conspiracy show and debunk at least some of those stereotypes It's marijuana that has largely helped pry open my mind, helped me relax hangover free after a shitty 9-5 day in retail And I think it has a place in the alternative world I'm glad we got to focus on the cannabis conspiracy a little bit, but i never want to make it an obsession or overdo it. It's a subtle influence on the show at least...I hope so! I try to make it that way so people don't write us off as silly or unserious because a lot of great well-educated guests present valuable and underrated research here And I'm really not going to try to cheapen that all

1:08:37 But on the subject of 420, I did attend the Cannabis Cup in San Bernardino and it totally exceeded my expectations. Like any convention type of event there was a ton vendors there who had booths full of interesting new weed related products and businesses almost every booth had either free dab or some kind of edible sample so to say the least by the end of day me and people were super high And it was just fun to be around so many other smokers and not be worried about hiding it or looking over my shoulder for cops. I've always said that drugs don't make you paranoid, It's the drug laws that do that

1:09:15 So it was a fun time and at the peak of my high I was on a really high, no pun intended, Ferris wheel in perfect weather at sunset with 50 Cent on stage playing the hits. And 50 Cent holds a special place in my heart as some good friends of mine had a parody group in High School called 25 Cent with the album Get Rich or Die Being Poor so it was a nostalgic moment Another good anecdote is I was at one booth and paid $5 to spin the wheel. I'm sure you've seen this kind of thing, and I landed on the very small sliver that said you won a free ounce! And that's pretty amazing right? It wasn't the best weed in the world but a value of well over $100 at least probably $200 it's like a three-week supply for those of you who might not know

1:10:04 Maybe my magic's working. But as for today's show, I'm really happy with it an array of subjects most of us know some stuff about but maybe some new threads or bullet points were learned As always we got deeper in the plus show and this one We talked about where the medical benefits of cannabis and the cancer solutions converge Talked about the difference between European and American health care systems And how that affects access to alternative treatments overall The story behind the Essiac cancer treatment, the nurse and the medicine man that started it all. The shark cartilage cure and its controversy... And I googled this because this was new to me and i'm seeing so much stuff that's saying it's bonk and bullshit and it's totally not a legitimate thing but yet if you dig a little deeper you will find cases where people have used shark cartilage and they say it fixed their cancer

1:10:57 Plenty of links say that sharks do get cancer, but I really think that's kind of not the point. The point is does it help as a treatment and there are a lot of indications that it does? But it was a weird one that I hadn't really heard before this show We also got into the asbestos elements of 9-11 which I do think are interesting and valid Not that it justifies a false flag in the middle of New York City, but it furthers the point that they were going to do something. I actually think the argument that it was built with sacrifice in mind has some merit But this asbestos angle can tie right into that you know It's not an either-or thing We also talked about the Syria saga Russia and current events which I will say this show is recorded a few weeks ago but the things we talked about

1:11:45 The things we said we kind of expected to happen pretty much did, and you really wouldn't know that it was a few weeks beforehand. But I just wanted to pat me and Massimo on the back for being right on. We also talked about the history of the struggle Russia has had with UFOs—a little more violent than the American side And we talked about Mossimo's assessment that the competition between Russia and the United States during the space race, and probably other areas is simulated to some degree. When we were talking about UFOs as if they're not the United States' and they are not Russia's who could be? They must be alien! I do think that some of them are non-human technology but we did leave out the fact that they could have very well been German

1:12:30 I mean, I don't know what Mossimo thinks of that angle but we've heard about the Sonora Arrow Club. We've heard about the Nazi Bell and i do think it is a piece of that puzzle for sure But interesting stuff overall! Do check out his documentaries on YouTube links are in the show notes and check out his site buy the DVD versions of these films if you think That maybe you have an older person in your life who might respond better to a DVD plus Maybe you just want to support him because he's doing great work Also, his GoFundMe page for American Moon is in the show notes. I would love to see that get a little more support because the window in which he can actually interview some of these old guys is closing and we really don't want to miss that

1:13:11 And as always, support THC if you can. I try to give you a lot of good shows and keep the price as low as it can be PayPal and the credit card processors have to get their cut so i really can't go any lower! Most of you have been listening for long enough to know that you like the show Go back and get those second hours You can stay current from here on out If you signed up for a year of The Higher Side Chats Plus you would get 60 extra hours of content That's like 30 full-length movies worth in 12 months for only 60 bucks. So I think that is a hell of a deal and i hope you agree, I'm not asking you to break the bank. I'm hoping that collectively small amounts from a large group of people can keep this ship afloat and so far so good

1:13:57 That said, love you guys. Thanks for listening! Keep throwing off those chains and keep your Pim Pan strong I've done my part Your move cannabis suppressors moon landing forgers and shadowy members of the Cancer Cabal You're fucking dead Well i wonder what it's like to be a rainmaker I wonder what its like to know that im made the way I saw red in boxes with little yellow tags on every one And you can come and see them when I'm done, when i'm done Well I wonder what it's like to be a superhero I wonder where I'd go if I could fly around downtown yeah

1:15:06 From some other planet I get this funky high in the yellow sun Boy, I bet my friends will all be stunned They're stunned Yeah, yeah Straight up what did you hope for and about here? If I was someone else we'd soon fall apart Strange where it is when we started this gig I wish the whole damn world would listen to THC! I wonder what it's like to be the head honcho. I wonder what'd i do if they just did all that I said? I shout out in order on this many MP song, wanna change my hair tone

1:16:21 I wish the real me would be here Please don't change, please don't break all the arm that thing That seems to work it all and for you Please don't change at all for me To U-N-G Straight up why did you hope to learn about

1:17:12 If I was someone else would this song fall apart? Strange that we all were the start of this place The real world, would just stop at an engine