Marty Leeds | Pizzagate, Symbolism, & Secret Societies

00:05 Puppet masters almost surely have clearly made me something heavy. And until you've thoroughly tested every last course, just did you know the less you really do? That's true Dr. Seuss! Without THC, cause they're lying to us Just a- without THC The higher side chat show A wooden company

00:43 All right, Hireside Chatters. When it comes to analyzing the reality around us there are two camps First there are those who see a prison planet A material world mind trap run by Archon Overlord slowly sucking the energy out of the masses until the day we die And then there are those who see a brilliantly designed environment Of mesmerizing beauty where the illuminating light of The Grand Architect pulses through every facet of his creation Well, whatever the intentions might have been the commonality between these opposing worldviews is the recognition of a sophisticated code and pattern to our world. An acknowledgement that from the conch shell and the coconut to the human body itself, an elegant array of ratios equations and sacred numbers are the very bricks and mortar that structure this material realm we find ourselves in. And as far back as we can trace civilization, fraternal orders secret societies and mystery cults have been analyzing preserving and some would say attempting to break this very system

01:35 Well, people these will be the plates we're putting on the table tonight as the great Marty Leeds serves up some serious insight once again. He's been here twice before first talking about Jematria Pi and The Sacred Code and then again just a few months ago after the release of his Flat Earth Litmus Test video which has amassed half-a-million views on YouTube he's just released volume 3 of his book series pi in the English alphabet And I couldn't be more psyched to have him back! The mathemagical magi himself Marty my man welcome back to the higher side Hey, thanks man. Hey that was well written you should be a writer dude Thanks man I'm all style no substance but thanks for being here you know You are one of the few guys i've stayed connected with through this podcasting world and i'm thankful for that And so much has happened just in the short time since our last show I definitely wanted to talk to you about this new book But maybe to grease the wheels here we could talk about current events you know Of course We're in the midst

02:30 the Pizzagate investigation, and stemming from this is a major crackdown on conspiracy when it comes to the major websites. David Seaman left Twitter you left Facebook I mean how much did some of these things tie into that decision to move on from Facebook? a whole lot of it. I've been kind of like burned out from all of it, we were just talking before the show but basically when the pizza gate thing hit and I was pretty immersed in it and I've been immersed in it for about a month or whatever its been now every single day and it's just overwhelming, it has been pretty traumatizing so I'm actually at my wits end with this sort

03:12 truth or community or whatever. I basically, just kind of need a break. I need to really sort of decompress and step away from social media for awhile because it gets to you there's there's a lot of negativity out there There is a lot of the... You know your gatekeeper shill Mason and honestly at this point i'm just kinda sick of it I do the work i do because, I want to help. That's the whole impetus behind it that was the impetus of starting the thing and so... ...I put out there and if people are interested they can come check it out but as right now is for constant interaction with social media and that sort of thing I kinda wanna step away And with the pizza gate hits as far as I know I mean I just left Facebook

03:56 And as far as I know, they've really kind of put a crack down within the last week on sharing controversial information and videos and things like that. I had just seen Truestream Media did a really great video on how she or they had shared video and it was looking like it was going crazy viral. And YouTube stopped the views, Facebook put all these warnings on and stuff like that... I don't want to be a part of those platforms anymore if the people behind those platforms being Twitter being Facebook being whatever including YouTube! That's my last bastion there but if they're going to be engaged in censorship I do not want to support that and I wanna step away from that so that's a very conscious decision

04:39 Yeah, I get that. You're a man of principle and I salute you for it but it has been driving me nuts that so many people are eating up this fake news narrative and repeating it so confidently because these social media sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit they've been heavily compromised if not from the very beginning and along with the major news networks they're built for exactly this kind of containment and people need to be reminded of that and consider it heavily because It should be a major red flag when we see this type of coordination across the board Usually they just ignore alternative opinions But there's a serious demonization And circling of the wagons going on right now that I think people need to pay more attention to

05:23 Yeah, and I mean...I think the Pizzagate thing has definitely ramped up their engines on it too because it was going viral. You know what's so interesting about people—we had just talked about this little bit but people calling Pizzagate bus eye-ops or whatever right? This is all just fake and this was put out by the establishment to trick us and things like that And this is very infuriating to me, like it just downright pisses me off because I guess that i've been immersed in this and i've seen it. I've seen...I have been on 4chan for days and watched those threads being deleted. I watched those JPEGs that people were amassing getting deleted. I watched people getting accounts being deleted from Twitter and things like that and suspended on Facebook and all of the stuff. And whenever you see a

06:10 A truce, a false flag or a psyops. What does the media do? They cover it like fucking mad! You know I mean look at Orlando and Pulse right? Everybody's Facebook they all changed it to the rainbow flag and people were covering like mad The Boston bombing, the same sort of thing. San Bernardino the same sort of thing You get massive coverage because that's the point is that they're trying to cover it This was going on for well over a month and half two months whatever it was And no one was saying shit So if this is supposed to be a psyops by the government They were doing a terrible job It didn't fall in line with the narrative and playbook That they usually use

06:54 This was so organic which is really frustrating to hear so many people talk about it being a psyops because I Was part of it. I was on those threads. I was looking at this stuff. I had posted a few things I had ended up really communicating with a ton of different people and It's just yeah, it's just really it's really frustrating mm-hmm I like to think i went pretty deep on this, I mean I know most of the major story and maybe you've gone a bit deeper than I have. Obviously it's dark material when we're talking about pedophilia networks among the elite but what do you think bothers you most about this story at the deeper depths? Okay so yeah this...I've been pretty traumatized by it depressed

07:38 Like I kind of, I haven't been taking care of myself. So that's another reason...I'm not asking for sympathy from listeners or anything and this isn't a pity party or anything like that but the thing about this is that several of my friends we all kinda like I said were bouncing information back and forth from one another And during this we all kinda just ended up perusing a lot of Twitter accounts Instagram accounts that were all connected to a bunch of these people that were commenting on James Aliphantis's Instagram account and many of the other accounts, you know associated with him. And you saw all these people communicating in one way or another in this very sort of cryptic way using a lot of the same code words saying a lot of sort of like lewd and lascivious shit that was obviously not geared towards consensual sex if you will All of that and droves of people hundreds to thousands of people That could very well be

08:35 implicated in something of this nature. At what level, who knows? I mean, I know for a fact that there was one or two Twitter accounts. I think it was Zero Hour, I think it was the person's name that had they got their account suspended right away but they had posted... They were doing the same thing! They were going on Twitter and Instagram and linking all these people up and saying hey here's a list of people you need to look into if that might be a little irresponsible because you don't want to just assume people are engaged in pedophilia especially if they're innocent. That's a terrible thing but It's very very fucking clear What is going on?

09:20 circles or whatever. David Icke's been talking about this shit for 25 years, whether you believe in interdimensional reptilians or not! This stuff has been talked about for a very very long time and it's one thing to know about it It's one thing too kind of compartmentalize that in the back your brain and know that it's going on some dark fucking seedy corner Washington but its a whole other thing... Its a whole another thing when you see a goddamn subculture built around it And that sub culture could actually be tied to Certain government programs like the project monarch or MK ultra and that sort of thing how how? Expansive are these programs is the question is what really brought up when I and a lot of my friends started looking into this so Mm-hmm. Yeah, man it really is the scale that is one of the things that seems most shocking yeah This isn't Jimmy comment And some you know risque pictures that he posted online in some stupid emails from Podesta That's not what fucking pizza gate is people

10:16 That's not what this is at all. This is a door opening into the wicked, evil malevolent malicious satanic fucking world of what goes on at the higher levels and we got...we got a door that cracked open and a little light shone through that we could see into this and actually get a chance to expose it and so I say you know Godspeed to fucking godspeed to those people that are doing that right now. Amen and so looking at this as much as you have what would you say to critics? That are saying things like stop being paranoid This could easily be code for drugs or something else Or that liking shocking art isn't a crime, or these sort of dismissals that I'm seeing everywhere

10:58 You know, this is the thing that I most people that are have taken this investigation very seriously. Most of these people that I see anyway are basically saying we just want an investigation if this isn't pedophilia great That's wonderful then I think everybody would breathe a sigh of fucking relief if that were true We don't really believe that to be true But there is and this is something I'm doing a hour-long video on pizza gate And I'm basically just summing up the story. I'm not really adding anything, I'm just basically doing a storyline on everything that's going on and at the end of the video I basically just say if you look at all this information

11:38 And you say that there's nothing to see here or there should be no investigation going on. I mean, I think you're nuts if I was an FBI agent right and I was working in the child trafficking unit at the FBI and I'd worked my whole life to try to stop pedophilia and somebody came up to my desk and plopped on my desk one of those paste bins that were on on Reddit or all of the emails and all the pictures and links, encrypted emails and connections. All the people involved in this stuff and inconsistencies that would be a fucking goldmine I would be peeing my pants at the chance to actually look into this stuff and start an honest sincere investigation into it And that's really what people want

12:20 So if people are saying that, they should be saying that. We should be questioning hey maybe this is all just nothing but guess what? we're never gonna get that answer because as we can see the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice are sacks a shit They're not doing anything and they're not going to do anything And so that really right there Should be a huge wake-up call to everybody That's listening whether these people are guilty or not We can see that the Department of Justice in the FBI are doing nothing and so they're in bed with everybody else What do we do about that now? Our justice system is screwed. Right, exactly. So what do we do? What's the next move?

12:58 It's rough. And it really does bother me when people kind of just dismiss this out of hand because the New York Times has already thoroughly debunked it, credible journalists have already looked at it and meanwhile... Oh go ahead. Sorry. Meanwhile the New York Times came out essentially after the election was like we're going to rededicate ourselves to journalism because we got everything wrong in this election. We thought Hillary was a shoo-in well obviously that's because they weren't doing any fucking journalism whatsoever right? So obviously that article alone, I don't know if you ever read that article but it came out like basically November 9th or whatever. Basically they implicated themselves in being a mouthpiece for the Democrats yeah it's like okay well you just showed that you had no journalistic integrity so anyway. Yeah I didn't mean to cut ya off there! No no it's fine but it does bother me when people say this could be code for drugs because

13:53 That means they haven't really looked at the context. And when you look at James Aliphantis' Instagram, it's not pictures of pizza in the shape of a pot leaf or people snorting pizza It's pictures of a slice of pizza over someone's crotch A naked person Or two people 60-nining on a piece of pizza I mean They're not hiding it that much and thats another scary element but its like one of those things when your deep into some taboo They just, I guess want to scream it from the rafters. You know they just get a real kick out of snickering and chuckling about how close they're flirting with exposure to some degree and i think there's so much smoke here there's no way there's not at least a little bit of fire

14:37 Yeah, and people people that are saying that okay. Well this could be a code word for drugs Okay If that's what it is then you're telling me that hot dogs and pizza are codeword for drugs That means Obama's flying in 65 grand worth of fucking cocaine also a crime Also look also an enormous crime yeah So even if that's what it is That's what I mean about the by the DOJ and the FBI not doing anything about it There's there's obviously something to look up here and Mean two or three of those emails is enough to start a full-scale investigation in my opinion Especially with what some of the things are being said even if you didn't know the FBI codewords Even if they were completely bereft of what any of that stuff means there's still enough there But the point that I want to focus on now nothing's being done about it. So, what do humankind do about it? right What we do about the fact that

15:22 At least for in my opinion it becomes very very clear very clear that there are a probably satanically based That's my opinion of course. I believe that 100% that this is this is satanic Lee base, but you have Child trafficking kid fuckers yeah in Washington what do you want to do about it now? What are we going to do about it mm-hmm? That's the question because I mean at this point This is one of the thing that I'm a little sort of Burned out if you will I'm kind of tired of talking about it. Yeah, I'm tired of I'm tired of this the YouTube Podcasting interview kind of shit like oh look at all the problems in the world okay great so we have all these problems What's the next move? I don't know. I'm not saying I have the answers. I guess maybe that's why I'm on this show to help

16:06 Yeah, but we need to do something about it. And that's what affected me so much to know that there are at least from What I've read there 800 000 children in the United States alone go missing every year even if that's 5 000 children That's fucking 5000 too many in my opinion yeah So we need to do something about that We need to stop this madness and we need to act and we need to start now Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're right man I've said some other things myself because sometimes it does seem like the alternative community is just in a cycle of lecturing itself Not a ton being done at a certain point I call it the educational circle jerk and child trafficking Is the kind of topic that should hopefully pull us out of that and into some true accountability And assuming there is some real fire to go with the Pizzagate smoke and then it really is as entrenched and far reaching As we tend to think it is

16:58 Do you have any hope for this idea that people are talking about, that Trump is just waiting until Obama loses his pardoning power and that after the real changing of the guard we might see some true justice on this thing? I just had Tracy Twyman on my podcast and she was basically saying something that she had been discussing, I think since like 2005 or something. But basically this idea and i've heard it many times before that you basically can't get to those positions in power anymore unless you've blackmailed or Basically filmed having sex with somebody underage because as she was saying and I thought it made a ton of sense That they can't get you for anything else anymore Like if you get busted with a couple whores and half a gram cocaine or whatever, and you're a senator They'd be like that sucks But now you'd be back in your seat in two weeks or whatever no yeah Or you know you cheat on your wife. No one cares but that stuff can be overlooked but when it comes to this

17:54 That crosses a line. So I think that really could be what's happening in the upper levels of government as far as Trump, I'm not on the Trump train at all. I didn't vote for Trump and I didn't vote at all because I do not consent to being governed but especially by those fucking people But no, I don't think Trump is going to do anything. I hope I'm wrong! I hope I'm dead wrong. I hope I have to come on this show in a year and be like dude, I was totally wrong about Trump he killed it He's fixing everything but guess what? Still spraying chemtrails... You know, I don't think anything is gonna change but like I said, I hope I'm wrong There really does seem to be way too many campaigns to have to reel back for me to ever be completely satisfied. I mean, there's just too much going on. Yeah and this is mafioso type stuff what's going on at the upper levels. At the very least you have to understand that there are people

18:47 that conspire. Of course, we all know this that people conspired at the highest levels. Do you really think that the mafia that's been entrenched in the government? The black government or whatever, the dark government behind the scenes? Do you really think that Trump is going to get in there and be like, well, well, we've been doing this for 67 years of whatever but this guy came in let's just all go home now and put our tail between our legs and no man right That's not how it works if people are extremely evil that want power are going to do anything in their power to keep it. You can guarantee that." And just when I look at the way Trump interacts with his own daughter sometimes, I don't see... Creepy! Yeah, that pedophilia is gonna be at the top of his list to do something about i mean… And he's been Epstein's Island so I've heard a lot of people praise Trump and like he's gonna do something It's like okay but you're overlooking the fact that he was having yet how many phone numbers in Jeffrey Epstein now famous infamous black book

19:44 So what was he doing at Epstein's Island? Yeah, you got to ask those questions. Well to touch on maybe a positive aspect or angle of this do you take Pizzagate as sort of a milestone in the Age of Awakening at least it kind of needs to come out right I mean yeah it's I honestly don't have a good answer for that question because yes, like I feel in one respect it's like...I can't imagine that they wanted this to come out in any sort of way whatsoever. So the fact that it did shows that there are a ton of really caring earnest sincere caring loving compassionate people out there that want to snuff out this insipid evil

20:33 And that warms my heart. That gives me hope, that makes me love humanity so that is a positive but where's this gonna go? I don't know it's hard to say And I want to throw this out there because I might be joining you in the great Facebook exodus, because I've also been seeing these stories about Facebook's new third-party fact checking system. It's pretty concerning. This actually—I wrote it down—comes from Zero Hedge but Facebook put out an official statement saying we believe providing more context can help people decide for themselves what to trust and what to share. We've started a program to work with third party fact checking organizations

21:11 that are signatories of Poynter's International Fact-Checking Code of Principles. If the organization identifies a story as fake, it'll get flagged as disputed and there will be a link to the corresponding article explaining why and disputed stories will appear lower in the newsfeed So there's that and then zero hedge goes over to the pointer website and grabs this says pointer has been receiving funds from the bill in Melinda Gates foundation and The Open Society for foundations which is funded by George Soros. This crackdown, it's getting very real man. If there is any PSYOP element to this it would be that they released information that can't be proven in a court of law that they could probably sweep under the rug just so that they could do this crack down

21:58 So I've heard that before too, which is obviously a perspective to keep on the table for consideration but the The only problem with that is that they've been trying to censor us for a very very long time. I mean YouTube's Heroes program has been out for how long and that went over like gangbusters right? That people fucking hated that but I mean what were the other Like CISPA and stuff like that They've been trying to censor the internet for a very long time They're going to do it If this came out and they're just using it, I mean the entirety of government even by the etymology itself. The entire government itself is a psychological operation or psyops so even if something comes out that is not in their favor you can guarantee that they're going to use it and manipulate it to make it into their favor and I think that's what's going on with Pizzagate here we have an organic

22:47 truly organic citizen-wide worldwide investigation into this stuff where you literally had hundreds of thousands of people, thousands of people working on this and bringing it material out and it just built and built and built. And so obviously they saw this was happening they ignored it, ignored it, ignored it and then all sudden came out with the fake news thing to try get rid of it I think that's what is going on And I totally agree with you. That's what I'd put my money on too, it's just one of those never let a good crisis go to waste situations Exactly yeah and uh so when it comes to Pizzagate I did this show with David Seaman who has been pretty vocal about it but- David Seaman? Jew Carlwood? Right exactly. You shill!

23:34 Sorry you had messaged me and I'm not an hour earlier. I was I was starting to listen that interview And I ended up not getting to all of it But I was reading some of the comments, and that was one of the first ones I saw it was Jew Carlwood How dare you have a I was just like that's yet another reason why kind of want to step away from this stuff that in in fanalizing childishness that that reactionary bickering That shit, I'm so done with it. I'm so done with the shills that calling people shills I should say...I don't want to engage with that anymore. So anyway sorry. No! I agree with you and- It's just that hard to see the Jew coral is just okay whatever dude. Anyway

24:13 I mean, I try to let that stuff roll off of course. I know you get that too and you just have to but at the same time you put all this work into setting up an interview with someone and preparing for it and recording it and editing it putting it online And then you go to see an hour later hey wonder how this is doing? You know if people like it or not and you see stuff like that It's like, you know what the fuck am I doing this for? It definitely makes me not want to get right to work on the next episode. But anyway, I thought that episode was good went over the Pizzagate 101 stuff but David doesn't have much of an occult or symbolism background and it's kind of hard for him to analyze those aspects of it but what are your thoughts on some of those threads in just the legitimacy of that aspect of the investigation

24:58 Well, I mean that is only gonna be done by guys like you and I and this sort of circle because obviously it's never gonna get into the mainstream You know, I did the DiaColting of John Podesta video. Right? I thought it was really good It's gotten tons and tons of shares and views and stuff like that And I mean I said in the video I said right out it was like oh Everything that I'm presenting in this video you can do. If you have the ability to do arithmetic and basic math and know how to spell, you can verify every single thing I'm saying in this video but that... You're never going to see that on CBS News or you're never gonna see it at The New York Times and things like that because that will be ignored as much as possible meaning the occult aspect of it because the devil wants to remain hidden right? That's where he does his best work when no one knows

25:44 And so that's what you're gonna see the mainstream media. I mean, they're never They're hardly ever even going to talk about pedophile I mean there was the big Pedophile case in Australia right and 60 minutes did an expose on it never aired in the United States So here that you're not even gonna hear that let alone Satanism and that sort of thing. So Right, that's the deep end of the pool for sure. And yeah I did like that the DiaColting of John Podesta video that you made it kind of centers around that photo of Podesta with his hands raised a 14 on one palm and Jesus fish on the other I asked David Seaman about this and he really didn't have any kind of answer Can you tell us a bit about the symbolism in message in that picture?

26:26 Yeah, I mean the video is very short. It's only like 17 minutes or something so i would definitely say just check the video out because it's pretty much...I go over everything there but you're the first thing you have to ask is and somebody had mentioned this So basically the email and I was like three nine nine nine nine or whatever was the email And in the email he was sending a message to I forget what her name is But it's the person that runs Hillary Clinton's Twitter account And so he was sending her a message and it was the list of things from some organization or whatever it was that were helping the environment. One was global warming, two was blah-blah-blah and number 14 was life under... I think the thing was called Global Goals is what it was called. Number 14 was like life underwater right?

27:10 And so here's a guy, John Podesta the chairman of Hillary Clinton's campaign sending a private picture to somebody else within Hillary Clinton's campaign of his hands in the air and 14-in-1 on and a fish on the other. So people are like well all he is talking about is you know global goals man. He just really concerned with the oceanic life and I'm like yeah yes this guy when he Fucking babies and eating them. He's really concerned about the fishies under the water and that kind of shit It's like what else would what else would that be? What I'm what else is he talking about there, and then of course you see the fact that he's got on Yeah, I think it was on his left hand. He's well yeah His left hand is all scarred number one which people have said That's probably spirit cooking thing whatever I have no idea but he is wearing one of those friendship bracelets that Joe Biden gave

28:01 Barack Obama on his own Instagram account of you know he's wearing that isn't that fucking creepy enough my god charm on it Yeah, with a fucking pizza charm what grown man. That's the chairman Of a campaign for a presidential candidate wears a goddamn friendship bracelet and then you know it's like I have nothing to say other than that then that alone is creepy enough for me. It's like to me That's that says a lot so So people had argued saying yeah well it could just mean the 14 in one hand and efficient the others just talking about global goals, and I and I'm thinking of that is

28:37 So fucking naive right I'll never understand why people want to make excuses for politicians. They've never met yeah exactly, I mean think about what if he is guilty which I absolutely Believe in my heart of hearts that he is guilty What you're covering for a pedophile? You know it's okay to play devil's advocate until you start actually advocating the devil Well said Yeah, that video is really great. You do a great job of summarizing what the symbolism there could be and I want to get to your book and kind of segue into it part of that video well let's say this anybody who is familiar with your work will know that you tie a lot of things into this English alphabet cipher that is kinda crux of a lot of your work and when you apply that to

29:25 counting up to the number 14, people would of course have to see the video. You get 322 and fish equals 23 in Gematria, 14 times 23 is also 322 so there's a couple of different ways that you can plug things in and come up to this number And that's also a number that we see with the skull & bones logo and That does get some attention in your new book pie in the English alphabet volume three talked to us about maybe skull and bones and their use Of the number in their logo or what it might mean and a wider sense. Okay, so yes in the day of holding of jump at us to video I go and explain why but I go and look at the gumatri equivalence of the numbers 01234567891011121314 the words and plug the numbers in and you get 322 on the first time I'd ever discovered this

30:17 Well, it just kind of came out but I immediately was like oh 322 well of course that's Skull and Bones. Well if you go to and then cover this it's eight pages or something in the book so it's pretty terse and short but if you go to the classic Skull & Bones photo that most people know where George Bush is to the right of the grandfather clock right? Well there are 15 gentlemen in this photo so there are six on one side six on the other than three in front Basically, when you look at any sort of base number system – this is something I cover pretty extensively in the book as well. Whenever you look at any base number system, you start with zero. It doesn't matter if it's a decimal system, DECA means 10.

30:56 that means you're dealing with the numbers 0, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. A binary system which is what the internet is created on is a system of two by means to but it's not the numbers one and two its the number zero and one so this inclusion of the zero was fundamental to any single number system they use period end-of-story fact as just math nothing controversial there at all so when you look at this in UCD skull and bones you know this image which they've actually used this formation in more than just this one picture with George Bush. But you see 15 gentlemen and you can actually see that if you count not 1 through 15 but 0 through 14, you get the 322 that is on the Skull & Bones logo so if you know the Gematria right then you can actually see that even how people are standing in a particular picture and the way they're standing can actually reveal to you high occult information

31:50 What's also interesting is this entire thing is based off pi. The entire cipher is based off the number 7 and pi, and pi in English cipher is PI which is 3 5 and it equals 8 well like I said I covered this in the book In the famous skull-and-bone picture the grandfather clock is at eight o'clock And so you say, did they just happen to take the picture at eight o'clock or did they turn the clock to eight o'clock because they were trying to encode something? It's the same kind of thing when you saw the... I'm sure a lot of people have seen this. It was like, I forget what the magazine was. It was 1971 or 1972 or something like that but it's David Rockefeller on the cover of it and he's talking about building The World Trade Center and his watch has turned into 9-11. So yet once again

32:38 There's you know he's encoding something very cryptically and if you just if you know what you're looking for You'll know what? He's talking about. If you don't do not have a clue, and that's exactly what's happening with John Podesta in that picture He showed efficient 14 if you know what he's talking about you know what he's talking about if you don't well You're like most of the people the world yeah men So also what can be said about the skull and bones logo itself? People tend to think a skull and crossbones just means death or that pirates used it because it was intimidating on their flags. But there is a deeper meaning even to that part of the logo, right?

33:15 Well, yeah. So number one why you've seen I mean this is unlike the tarot deck and it's there was like a bunch of like a Freemasonic illustrations and alchemical illustrations and things like that where you'll see the skullcap basically right well What's interesting is when you look at especially when you look at pi involved in all of this You see the human vessel as you know a piece of biological architecture designed by an architect Then you have to look at all the pieces of that architecture and see what you can elucidate. And so I go and I look at the hands, I look at those sections of the body bones in the feet bones in hand that sort of stuff well The skull itself is composed of 22 bones So there's like 8 for the facial and 14 for the cap I think and it's a total of 22 bones and this we will find this in any medical journal or dictionary or anything It just you'll...it's consistent

34:08 22 bones. 22 bones creates 7 orifices, 2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 nostrils and a mouth. 22 divided by 7 is pi. It's 3.142. So your head encodes pi. I mean just the bone structure of your head gives you two particular numbers being 22 and 7. 22 divided by 7 is pi. And so that's obviously to me especially when you look at all the other ways that they've encoded pi, that's obviously one of the things they are encoding with this skull and crossbones. The 322 what's three plus two plus It's seven. Seven in English Gamatri is S-C-V-E-N, it's six five five five one and equals 22 and 22 divided by 7 is 3.142 So... In the word, in 322, in the skull itself you have all these things pointing to Pi Right! And yeah The square encompassed, the Freemason Square Encompassed The G being the seventh letter You could almost say that 322 or G are ways to represent the same

35:02 Absolutely. Same thing, and even in that picture, that very famous picture of the skull and bones with the 15 gentlemen representing the numbers 0 through 14 there's six on the left of the grandfather clock and six on the right of the grandfather clock and then there are three guys in the center well if you look at the three guys in the center they're actually They're crossing their legs as in to form a square. And then there's a guy that's in the middle of the table, that's like bending down and is like the lapel of his jacket or whatever actually kind of forms a compass in a way it forms the angle of a compass so even right there you have compasses and squares within that picture if once again if you know what you're looking for

35:39 Yeah, it's just so tough to decode this stuff because I talked to so many different researchers who really have conflicting opinions in a lot of cases and trying to unravel it can be really difficult sometimes. So I think a lot of people just like trying to unravel the economy they just get fed up with it throw up their hands and say this is too complex. The thing that I've found with most researchers And I guess maybe this is why you get called a shill and gatekeeper and all this other bullshit. But the thing that most researchers that look into the occult or look into the subversive, or the esoteric, or mystical, or magical... They're only looking for darkness!

36:18 That's it. That's all they're looking for they're looking for the evil They're looking for the malicious They're looking for the people that have fucked them over and that's all they're looking for and I always and I say this and I reiterate this And I say this again, and again and again, and I'm gonna say it again right now The most evil you can possibly do is to take something that is good true and beautiful and distort it and destroy it And so when you go to look at the different secret societies and occult, things like that. You have to understand that yeah they are doing some insanely evil stuff no question about it but just beyond that evilness is the light that they've hidden from people and so that's the impetus or the crux of the work I do is try to go in and reclaim and reappropriate that light

37:05 and take it fucking back from these pieces of shit, you know? And that's what I want to do. And so that's what Marty Leeds 33 is all about. A noble goal man! So one more point about the Skull & Bones logo is... You got the crossbones and those are femurs. What's the importance of the femur bone apparently has to do with astrotheology and Sagittarius in some way right? Yes, so a femur bone. Femur by the way... So it shows the skull and crossbones and the cross bones are femur bones. The femur is actually an anagram for fumer which is fire and Sagittarius is a fire sign. You have Sagittarius and Scorpio are actually two constellations that point to what will be the center of the galaxy or the center

37:57 However you want to take it. I'm not sure if I'm speaking to flat earthers or sphere earthers anymore, and I'm sure I'm going to get some hate there! It's a grab bag around here. So you have these two femur bones and they're actually once again this is just the skull and crossbones but if you know what they're talking about you can actually see that they are encoding astrotheology in their as well because they could have chosen any bone, they could have chosen the forearm bone or whatever but they didn't. And so that's really interesting and then you start to realize how this is something I've covered in not in volume three but another text but you start to realize like how much astrotheology and star study and that stuff is encoded into language especially within the human body as man is a reflection of the heavens and obviously your seeing these things so ovaries and Aries

38:49 uterus and utorus, right? You get this. Things like that you can see that these things have been cryptically and creatively encoded within even the names of bones and parts of the human body which shows just the high mysticism that surrounds us all the time but most people are just completely... they just don't know about it And that is so interesting, the connection to fire because fire even is often depicted as two logs crossing each other with a flame where the skull would be. Like that imagery is very similar Yeah, I guess. I never thought about that but yeah, that's pretty spot on dude just weird stoner thoughts so and i've talked to quite a few guests here and there about masonic symbolism but something I don't think we've ever discussed is the apron which is something you cover in the book we know it's there But what can you say about its importance?

39:42 Okay, so I would actually highly recommend a book. He's a 33rd degree Mason But it's that I know fantastic writer though one of the best esoteric or mystical writers I've really come across and his name is Frank C Higgins And he wrote a book called masonic and history of its uses or something like that if you get what the book is It's a pretty short book but basically he just goes and shows The long history of the use of aprons by many many different cultures everything from like the Mayans to To like a bunch of different like native cultures actually use the apron so it's not necessarily even a masonic thing number one another book that is by another mason timothy hogan and i think its in the book.

40:23 Revelation of the Holy Grail, which is his pseudonym is Chevalier Emery's I believe is what it is. But he actually goes in that book and talks about the long history of use of the apron now The traditional apron and...I actually have a friend who He's a Mason and his father was a Mason good friend of mine Ryan And he has a traditional lambskin apron and the proportions of the apron If you, basically if you make the apron a unit of 8 there's a flap that comes down and that actually creates an upper triangle. Well basically what is under that is nothing so if you actually create what would be the hidden triangle or the occulted triangle within this according to the dimensions of the apron itself What it gives you is the proportions of the Great Pyramid of Giza

41:11 It gives you a triangle that's essentially 8 by 5, which is very close to like 2214 11 7 triangle. And that is squaring the circle. That's proportions of the Great Pyramid Giza and squaring circles of course what Freemasonic square encompasses actually talking about an ancient mystical mathematical art And so that's one of the things encoded from my own measurements and from what Frank C. Higgins has said, that's one of the things actually encoded in The Apron So once again a front part of an apron there is nothing on it yet there is deep occultism right there which is insane because there literally nothing there and yet there is whole bunch there you know? Yeah I mean It's almost like done on purpose because that exactly what

41:56 Critics used to snicker and laugh at all this stuff and saying oh my god look how much these crazy guys he's not the conspiracy nuts are reading in something as simple as a nap but yet you know if your really listening it sound it makes sense what is the other thing too is that when I present something did the whole goal of presenting it is to say here is what i found. Don't believe me. Why would you believe me? I'm just some dude on the higher side chats, I could be talking complete bullshit do not believe me it happens but yeah of course right sure But the good thing is is its math so you could go check it That's true And that's that's the point that I always like to make So it's like hey Just you know Go check this out interesting thing about since we're talking about The Apron and skull and bones and things like that one of the things I mentioned in the book Is 322 right Yeah well

42:47 I cover mirroring and mirroring of mathematics, language and things like that. Even the cipher is mirrored in all this stuff So one of the things you can do is mirror 322 and give you a number 223 Well 360 degrees of a circle minus 223 gives you 137 Well 137 is the 33rd prime number Damn. So here you have once again just in a number 322 what does that mean? What is the mirror of 322, what happens when you add it up all those things that we covered can all be 100% 111 percent verified well there's no question about it all you have to do is do a little math

43:29 Yeah, man. It is so amazing just how these things go completely full circle and I love that skull and bones breakdown section of the latest book and of course it is the third volume in a series maybe we should step back a bit and give people some context on the first two what sort of groundwork do your first two volumes cover leading up to this third book? Well, the whole arc of the series of books was basically just to do like I say in the back of the book. It's an open exploration of sacred number and then mystical properties of language. And so basically the whole three volumes and then I did another book called The Peacock's Tales

44:08 But is basically just taking this cipher, explaining the cipher in numerous ways how you can actually find the cipher encoded in I mean just tons of different stuff. The Ouija board, the Tetragrammaton, the UN logo, the emblem of Israel, this Freemasonic square and compasses dice, the zodiac the chromatic music scale, the major music scale. All of this stuff encodes this cipher and you can all check it yourself so basically what I tried to do is just take this cipher on a world tour and just look at all the ways that it could possibly be used now This is uh...an honest academic scientific pursuit through this stuff in honestly linguistic mathematical theological pursued So any true scientific investigation there are going to be mistakes made

44:54 in errors made and things that you look back later, you're like okay this is wrong. And I don't see a lot of researchers doing that out there. I see a lot of people telling you their theories and their beliefs and stuff like that and pushing their perspective and pushing their ideology and things like that but i dont really see a lot of them doing science because science is actually saying hey im gonna present to you whole bunch of information And what we're going to do is, we're all going to look through it and see hey what's right? What's wrong? What's 100%? What's a little wonky and that sort of thing. Then build off there. That's the true scientific investigation. So that's really what I wanted to do with this series of books was like here... Here is a whole bunch of stuff to take a look at some of its not gonna pan out some of it is but it's all for your

45:38 you know, for you to investigate and look through and things like that. And as it's come out I mean i've been doing this for half a decade now basically and there are things that from the very first day the first day I did it are just as strong as...and solid as a case of anything else since I mean today yeah you know five six years later whatever its been The thing that I discovered five years is still as solid as it has ever been and thats really what I want to do with this series of books is present this in a true academic sense. Yeah, I love it man and it is a wild ride you know you mentioned the light and dark a bit a few stops back and like I mentioned in the intro anyone who looks for it they can see the code in reality the Fibonacci sequence pi the golden ratio but the big question is... Is this engineered system? This human terrarium meant

46:31 positive or negative environment? Is this great architect a positive being of love, or the demiurge in his gang of archons that the Gnostics warned us about?" I have an idea what you're going to say. But what are your thoughts in this area and deciding between these two polar opposite views? I mean, number one God is love. So as far as the concept of the creator, the unnameable is what I call it. The great creator, the great spirit that being is a... It didn't create Earth to be hell. In the beginning God created heaven and earth

47:09 Man, in my opinion is put here and we were given this sort of gradation of experience to actually use our free will and our sovereignty to go through this sort of spectrum of reality. We're given choices every single second of our day and we have to navigate through those choices and make the best choices. So every single second of every single day we are given that choice between the extremes of good and evil And that's one of the things that even the Bible talks about is like, hey, the first thing was a tree and it was knowledge of good and evil. And so man ate from that tree. So that is the understanding of we are strung between these extremes, these polarities, and we have to find balance within this scale.

47:50 centering the self, I think not being self-centered but centering the self. I think is ultimately what the human drama or human experience is all about and when you look at like sort of like the chakra system aspect of this are like the sacred heart of Jesus if you will. The Heart Chakra's the center of the three up and you know three below and three above and so finding that Center is literally in my opinion the spiritual process of finding that God is love is to go through this world and lead with your heart, is do everything it's you with compassion and care and love and honesty integrity. That's really what the spiritual pursuit is about through all the numbers out for all the language out for all the Bibles out there all the crowns after all that shit out at the end of the day when you cross the gates have death your hearts gonna be weighed

48:40 How light your heart was is what is going to count and that to me? Is the true experience of God mm-hmm well I do love the tie in to the Egyptian way into the heart ceremony, and I like your positivity man But you say this world wasn't meant to be a hell or a prison or a trap in other words And I go back and forth about the nature of the environment because oh Sure, it's great to get out into the woods a bit or watch the sun rise over the beach. I mean it is beautiful thing but actually living in nature doesn't seem that much of cake walk if you take away all the conveniences modern society and put us in world just as it was designed. This system where most animals live close to starvation mode and food chain set up pretty brutal

49:25 a very painful system of consumption where many living things are still taking their dying breaths as they're watching the flesh rip from their bones. I mean, this doesn't sound like the setup of a loving being to me you know what i'm saying? Anything that's worth doing is worth enduring pain That's that's all I'll say about that think about your show man. Yeah, think about putting this thing together How many times you've had fuck-ups and failures and bad guests like? I don't know Marty leads or something You know you've had to endure a lot of different stuff in your life to actually but that whole process is Actually made you what and we've talked about this before I think we talked about this on my podcast

50:06 that process has actually hardened you and what made you who you are. And so I think those trials and tribulations that are offered up in, what you could consider a harsh environment is actually there for you to overcome those things as far as like living in nature yeah we are sort of divorced from nature I agree but if we would have grown up in a tribal society or some sort of civilization that was actually living in concert with nature living in one with nature, I don't think we would see it as such a harsh environment. I think you know when i go out into the woods yeah at any point I could break my leg and I could starve and die right? And so therefore that's the cold harsh reality of the fucking wilderness man but you know how many times I've gone on those hikes and saw the top of that mountain looked around 360 degrees and ate that shit up

51:01 That's the good and evil. That's that polarity once again. Oh, hell yeah! I mean, I went to the Grand Canyon for the first time not long ago and quite an amazing experience to see the sunrise there, to see these big elk walk right through camp like they just don't have any fear of humans. There are some great stuff out there but I worry that we maybe romanticize it a bit because we're able to dip in and out of it. Have you seen Naked & Afraid? Just making it 21 days is a challenge that we put people on TV for I haven't seen that but Yeah, I mean I guess I don't really have That much to say about it other than. I think our perspective is very skewed because we live in this very Well, we live in little boxes right? I mean We're so torn apart from understand. I mean how many people

51:53 We'll walk out and know the ascension and declination of the sun, know where the moon is going to rise today. Even know what direction they're walking." You know? I mean we're so divorced from all that stuff knowing what plants we can go out and eat, knowing how to actually plant crops and know how to till the land and know how do that stuff. So many of us myself included – I'm absolutely 110% guilty – are separated from this stuff. And I think there is a connection, a deep connection to nature. It may it might be romanticizing it right and I could agree with that a little bit But I would also say that I've turned my life into poetry, and I think it's one of the best things. I've ever done You know William Blake? I think this was on maybe logic I think it was that Robert Anton Wilson documentary Maybe Logic where he was talking about how William Blake asked him

52:42 what the sun was at whatever. And he said something like, oh it's like a thousand angels singing in choir to the heavens or whatever or just a big burning disc. It's how you see it and that's your choice! That's your choice I see this world and even all the pain and torture and torment everything that I've been through all the depression all the fucking failures At the end of the day I still embrace this thing so much so that I'm inspired by it Man Even when we're dealing with Child molestation and pedophilia and things like that. I still am inspired to keep moving and keep doing more, you know mm-hmm. Mmm. I getcha and

53:21 Let's get weird for a minute. This might be the weed talking, but wait we're getting we're just getting weird We're just gonna get weird this is the climax of weird I think I mean I don't know But there are some researchers way out in the deep end of the pool Just to this dichotomy of how you look at the world as either prison or you know As you're saying something more positive There are these researchers way out there that will say that When we die, the light at the end of the tunnel is an Archon trap to recycle souls. I don't know how you can know that but I actually just heard this term someone use false ascension matrix which is kind of provocative and nice it's a nice way to summarize that but the idea being

54:01 by stripping away initiation in our culture, by making psychedelics illegal and not promoting things like meditation or spiritual growth. We are completely unprepared for that crucial moment of death and some type of nefarious beings take advantage of that. And as soon as we get into the astral plane and we see the light it's actually a trick or a trap like a moth being attracted to a bug zapper I don't know it's out there but What are your thoughts on this? Are you going towards the light, man? There's a... what's that shit it just says? It's the Terrence McKenna line where he says upon death. You will be condemned to live out the consequences of your tastes

54:43 How about that for an answer? I like it. You know if that guy believes that when he gets to the light, at the end of that tunnel and all it is are cons that are gonna trap him in and bring him back into this endless recursive cycle of life and death and life and death and life and death and its just thats eternal infinite hell then im assuming thats probably what hes gonna get. Yikes! I guess I got to work on my worldview a little bit, dial that in. That's it? Hey, hey! My perspective is just as valid as his too so... Fair but yeah i told you it was going to get weird there So just on the subject that new HBO show Westworld plays on a lot of these ideas have you watched that at all no i haven't watched tv for a long time so well might be a good distraction from the pizzagate stuff because it gets you to think about some deep threads without all the pedophilia

55:34 Although it is dark. Love that kind of stuff, but I'm a media junkie and it's nice to be able to convince myself that I'm somehow learning Even though I'm really just sitting on the couch doing nothing Can I ask you question too quick when you said you were going off Facebook? Have youth or thought about it have you thought about any other social medias because people had asked me that and I was just kinda what cuz I Was thinking about gab or something like that But I kinda want to stay away from in a little bit and just see where this thing goes. Oh

56:15 Yeah, you know I actually was tempted once before. I can't even remember the name of it now but there was a time where there were some media platform or social media platform that was being touted as the new uncensorable Facebook and it just died out and gab yeah that's the new one David Seaman seems to like it. I like vote as a Reddit replacement but that's not really social media. I don't know My answer is probably going to be just to engage with it less, keep it there but engage with that far less than I do already which is limited. I already get a lot of people saying you never answered my comments man and it's like well dude I don't want to live in front of the computer screen I'm sorry like no offense so yeah I don't know I don't trust Facebook of course but

56:59 I guess until i see a real alternative that seems like it's going to be around, I'm really sick of making usernames and passwords for websites. And just forgetting them all! Right on man you know I always love talking to you and that pretty much does bring us to the finish line here remind the people about your book your music or even your podcast which thankfully seems to be back again I don't know for how long, we'll see. So yeah so started up the podcast again, Marty Leeds Mathematical Radio Hour iTunes you can get it on YouTube as well which is one hour show it's quick and easy basically try to be really focused on the conversations and so there's that got several books Pilinglish alphabet series and then a Peacock Tales that one that's all available on martyleeds33.com

57:48 And then, yeah I've got music. Some on iTunes of three records you can check out and so there's all that. Reverb Nation you can listen to my stuff for free too. I think I have it on YouTube as well? Yeah I do And then I'm actually working on another record. It's all written, everything like that and hopefully gonna record it hopefully this next year. I planned on doing it this year but you know Pizzagate and books and all sorts of crazy shit got in the way so hopefully that will be recorded early this year. So lots of stuff...and I'm working on a bunch more videos so I'm not doing too much social media anymore basically keeping the podcast going though and I will have series of videos coming out soon. Solid!

58:27 Fascinating as always, man. Typically we do close out a Marty Leeds episode with a Marty Leeds song Do you have a particular one that you think would play us out nicely that you could maybe introduce before You of course send it to me and I can add it in? Okay Yeah let's do Mr Vertigo Let's do that tune This is the song off this first EP that I made Yeah, first EP that I made called The Mountain. And you can get that on iTunes and yeah this is all home recorded did everything myself edited mixed everything so love it Mr Vertigo awesome well you are the man keep fighting the good fight alright thanks buddy You got it

59:07 There we have it, Hiresite Chatters. Another return guest and another more casual conversation than might be typical I did plan to talk about Marty's new book a little bit more because it is full of great stuff But there are just not a lot of guests I can talk to about Pizzagate so freely with So that was a breath of fresh air for me. I hate to hear someone I respect and admire say they're being affected negatively from the research, and not taking good care of themselves... That's no fun! I understand how it can happen but hopefully it just doesn't last too long Leaving Facebook probably has been helping. I know its a huge source of my frustration Sometimes I don't even know why I look at it But having done the deep level work he's done Being a musician too

59:55 He's got a great work ethic and he's talented, and he really motivates me to want to do more myself. Also, a little bit of time has passed since we actually recorded this To its actual release And his Pizzagate primer video is actually up on his YouTube page now So do check it out I think you did a phenomenal job, and we know it's taken a toll on him so the least We could do is appreciate his contribution But this conversation was really kind of something I needed to, just to talk about Pizzagate and the fake news narrative with someone who i'm on the same page with. Even hosting a show like this sometimes you see people break from a particular topic and just start lashing out

1:00:34 And Pizzagate has really been a big one for that. And of course I've gotten a ton of great messages where people loved that episode with David Seaman, and I appreciate that but in the time since i've really seen a way more aggressive and self-righteous type of critic Now my show isn't just stupid and pointless anymore now it's actually dangerous and irresponsible And I just have to speak up and be vocal in defiance of this weird wave that seems to be coming in. I'm okay with critics of this show and every show, Donald Marshall, Francine Kelly... We've done some controversial stuff and that's fine but this is more of a framing that I'm uncomfortable with and I'm afraid if we're not careful could last a long time when it comes to alternative media

1:01:20 But I have been saying this more and more, and i don't want to sound like a broken record so I am going to put this kind of talk away for at least a few weeks unless something changes. And for all those who just heard the first hour today, you know we got that second hour if you want to subscribe. In this one we get more into Gematria, Marty's latest work, we talk about our different perspectives on the Bible, we talk about the flat earth paradigm, we get into the why of these codes within key texts and symbols—the idea of them being ritual workings perhaps? The number 432, why it's so important. The speed of light, the symbols behind the Sphinx How the English cipher works with other languages German French Spanish which is a huge part of his latest book

1:02:06 All good stuff, and I think a great counterbalance to that last Qrow show. It's funny because both Qrow and Marty are big into analyzing the construct And both seem to think we live on a plane rather than a planet But they come at it from two totally different angles. Qrow sees a prison planet meant for nefarious purposes Marty sees a beautiful existence of love crafted by the Grand Architect Both don't think we can get into space So they agree on some really radical stuff and just look at it differently. I find that interesting, and i hope you do too! But that's going to be it for me this week. I've done my part... Your move perverters of sacred truths. You're fucking... You built a baby ghost Who was white as a wretched falling snow You built the shingle wall She sold you all those faulty calls

1:03:17 I'm a scotch and you ain't got it Sucka put through my heart, skin healed on my bones I am the fucking universe but i'm all alone Mr. Barnacle rising to the stardom I can't call this megalomania You're my motivation, your soul, each of you I'll be your tune, I'll be your vision, your ritual I will stay

1:03:59 Even is your pain, I hope you ain't with poetry laid out in a quadtree. What's your ending? Slipper through my hard skin, feel about my bones. I am normal universe but i'm all alone. I'm Mr. Moneygold rising to the stunt done. But can't call this megalomany. It's real megalomany. Mr. Bloodrod

1:05:22 I'm so full of disorder, give yourself to my love This world decorated with all the scars that you, you ain't got As I pull it through my heart's skin peel off my bones I am the whole universe but i'm all alone Mist of blood and gold rise into the stardome Black hair covers me, the world in my eyes