Lynne McTaggart | Intention Studies, Mind Magic, & The Power of Eight

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01:30 Here we go people, doing the thing from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and even though these are troubled times and we have every excuse to be distracted with many people struggling to plan a future or even maintain a manageable present it feels as if many of us have forgotten about the very curiosities we had before the era of COVID everything Quantum mechanics, epigenetics the biology of belief, ether physics consciousness dreamtime insights altered states intention and even what is often just called magic. If these things are important if they speak to the nature of reality our essence as conscious awareness having a human experience or anything relating to the fundamental mechanisms of this universe in our place in it understanding them and using them at time crisis is crucial

02:20 We know that experiments done in the quantum realm have revealed the importance of a conscious observer, that plenty of other studies have enlightened us on a field of energy that connects all things and that these pieces of the puzzle help explain even more remarkable phenomenon like remote viewing and even remote healing. It seems like some aspects of modern science might finally be catching up to the insights and teachings of countless spiritual gurus and shamanic figures. And it's about time, because it seems like the Western materialist paradigm we're so conditioned to latch onto is the biggest thing that's holding us back So in a year when people want to parrot that often repeated phrase of trust the science, let's do exactly that and actually explore what the science of consciousness intention and remote healing actually says with a woman who knows more about it than nearly anyone I could get in the guest chair. Her name is Lynn McTaggart and she is a journalist and bona fide expert on the science of spirituality

03:16 As the architect of the Intention Experiment and dozens of other studies on consciousness and group healing, she has been looking deeply into these things for over 20 years. Lin is also the award-winning author of several books that break down the journey and the results with titles like The Intention Experiment, Using Your Thoughts to Change Your Life and the World. The Bond How To Fix your Falling Down World. The Field, The Quest for the Secret Force Of the Universe And The Power of Eight Harnessing the Miraculous Energies of a Small Group to Heal Others, Your Life & the World But that's not all folks, she is also the co-founder and editor of one of the world's most respected health magazines What Doctors Don't Tell You now published in 15 languages worldwide and Get Well The International Holistic Health Expo. You can find all that and more on our website lynnmctaggart.com And it is a honor to have her here, the Power Of Eight pioneer energy healing advocate and connoisseur of consciousness science Lynn McTaggart welcome to The Higher Side

04:18 Hi greg thank you so much i think of in cold all kinds of things but connoisseur of consciousness i love that. What is the least i can do i try to be creative gotta get him quick the attention spans are short these days But thanks so much for taking the time to be here. I am really excited about this one, it's been a crazy year and when so many people are in this high state of fear and stress if not from the virus itself then at least the uncertainty and economic impact that has been caused by policies around it And it just feels like people sometimes tend to forget about work like yours in times like these. Or maybe some people feel as if these effects are too subtle for the things that we have going on in 2020, so I'm happy we can offer them a reminder! I know it's hard to break down 20 years of research into just a few minutes

05:13 But to get the ball rolling here, can you walk us through the highlights of this journey where you started with some experiments on seeds and eventually scaled up to some pretty amazing things? What's the overview for people who might be new to this. Will actually my journey into this area started in the early nineteen nineties believe it or not long time ago when we had just launched what doctors don't tell you which was a newsletter when we launched it in nineteen ninety and its now an international magazine. So, I was very curious because we look at the scientific evidence for alternative medicine in our magazine, then newsletter. So I studied medical literature and in the course of doing that, I kept coming across these really good studies of spiritual healing and things like acupuncture and homeopathy. And I kept thinking particularly when it came to spiritual healing

06:16 How can you take a thought and send it to someone else and make them better? That seems to undermine everything we think about how the world works. So I set off to try to find out how things like spiritual healing, homeopathy and acupuncture work And i figured that would be fairly simple that I would meet some scientists frontier scientists I will talk to them they give me information about Human energy fields or something like that and then i would take that back right it up in that would be there but wasn't that at all as a started researching and spoke to all of these frontiers business is biologists you know people in all kinds of areas working on. Pioneering research

07:07 I realized that they were, all of them on the brink of a completely new understanding how the world works and how we work. And that their studies essentially drove a stake into the heart accepted science The only problem is these scientists speak in math They speak in code and they also don't like to venture beyond their own experimental evidence. So I realized soon enough that, I was going to have to interpret this and also put it all together so that synthesis became my book called The Field after i published it and this has been really the story of my journey which is...I am driven by my own curiosity, I'm driven by my own enthusiasms

08:00 And I was fascinated by some of the evidence that i had written about in the field from these scientists, work in the lab showing that thoughts are an actual something with a capacity to change physical matter. Of course the journalist, the skeptic in me said well what are we talking about here because you know this was the time of The Secret and The Law of Attraction all coming to the fore? Are we talking about just shifting a quantum particle, a very subtle effect? Or are we talking about curing cancer with our thoughts. And also I was fascinated by

08:42 a bit of evidence done by the Transcendental Meditation organization showing that when there was a critical mass of meditators, the crime rate went down. So I wondered well what happens when a group of people are thinking the same thought at the same time because meditation is the absence of thought? What about if we have a specific intention does it supersize the effect when more than one person is doing it so I decided to test this and aside from assembling all of the evidence about intention into my book the intention experiment, the book was also an invitation for people to join me and do in tension experiments and every so often i would get a scientist

09:28 In one of the prestigious universities was doing consciousness research to put together a well controlled study and i would ask my readers around the world by then the field is in thirty languages set loads readers, when i just put them together i'm gonna have the biggest global laboratory in the world. And that's what i did I didn't expect it to work or only have a very subtle effect, but we've run 35 experiments today since 2007. Everything from trying to make seeds grow faster to purifying water with our thoughts to lowering violence in war-torn or violent areas to even curing someone of PTSD and out those thirty five

10:14 Thirty one have shown measurable positive mostly significant effects just to put that in context there is no pharmaceutical drug out there with that kind of consistent track record so that's where i got to and the power of the bond really came about in wanting to say, well that was trying to answer Darwin and the science by which we tend to live. Newtonian science, Darwinian science and just say were meant to be so competitive in individualistic as those two scientists essentially espouse? So I wrote that book to really help people live in a new way And then The Power of Eight really came about by accident

11:03 Trying to see if what we were learning in the intention experiment could be shrunk down into a workshop setting. I didn't expect we were going to get results, i didn't know what to do and one night i was just saying to my husband well i don't know maybe ill just put them in groups of eight or so an have them send healing intention as group to remember the group with health challenge And i expected it to be a very mild effect we have people come back that the day after that workshop saturday they can back on sunday for the next day of the workshop report on what happened. And i expected them to say well this felt like getting my back rubbed you know why are relaxing and that's not what they said they said things like this,

11:51 I have depression and i've had it for years and years and its suddenly completely lifted, i have terrible arthritis and walking normally today you know i have awful got problems my god is clear today feels fine. I have cataracts on a eighty percent better any other honor not in the west so The journalist in me was completely dumbfounded extraordinarily skeptical but since that time i run thousands of power big groups. And so many instances we see extraordinary miraculous instant healings,

12:34 Yes that is a great summary and when it comes to the seed experiments you know these small things where you got started it seems like, a simple picture of the seeds was all that was needed i believe your doing this with alive audience at the time so you show them the picture and. That is wild because what does that say about reality cuz we probably couldn't even match the seeds to the right photograph if they were sitting in front of us and i would think a man made invention like the photograph would get in the way of the effect but obviously it doesn't you also tend to use pictures of people as targets and it seems to work the same way but. That at is curious when you think about reality was that mean do u,

13:18 Greg is such a great question absolutely the first time i did this experiment was early on in the intention experiments. Two thousand and seven and i was working with university of arizona use different universities for different experiments essentially keep it independent, So I was working with University of Arizona psychologist Gary Schwartz and he and his lab set up four sets of seeds with 30 seeds each in a tray with individual little spaces for seeds. He photographed all four sets, we labeled them A B C D sent me all four photographs

14:01 My job was then to have the audience choose randomly one of the four sets without us telling the scientists and the first time i ran this i was in sydney australia with an audience about seven hundred. We chose the seeds let's say cj we sent intention to that photograph of the seed, and then told the scientists when we were done with the intention, still not telling them which seeds we sent intention to. And that was their cue to plant the seeds for about five days and measure them afterward. Only when they'd finished measuring did I unblind study and say oh by the way our target was Seeds A Well, the seeds set in tension on that experiment grew significantly higher than controls

14:51 We ran that study five more times. through a smaller audience of about 100 in ryanback, bigger audience and south carolina medium sized audience in dallas big audience in l.a. and over the internet with my audience around the world every single time the seeds sent intention grew significantly higher than controls let's go back to that first one cuz we did it this way everytime but lets just unpacked significance of that So you're right, we weren't actually sending intention to the seeds themselves. We were sending intention to a photographic representation of the seeds and also we weren't in the same room as the seeds. We were in Sydney Australia The seeds are in a lab in Tucson Arizona 8000 miles away Nevertheless, we had an extraordinary effect

15:49 So that gave me clues about the idea of intention creating a kind of psychic internet where we're all thinking, a group of people anywhere are thinking a similar thought at the same time. It has that kind of power even with a symbol of the thing not even the thing itself which is really what a photograph is and as you say we've done intentions many intentions Just putting up a photo of someone i do an intention of the week every week my community sends attention to. Three people who have been nominated by our audiences everywhere around the world people who have illnesses of every sort so we choose three, will you put them out and are audience send some intention every sunday and

16:42 We've had some extraordinary things. Most recently a guy was due for double leg amputation because of bone cancer and after our intention, the doctors went in to amputate his legs realized the cancer was completely encapsulated easily took it out his legs were saved and they themselves said there's some kind of miracle going on here So we've been able to do intention with photographs and that does say something extraordinary about the nature of consciousness. It really does it really doesn't you mentioned pharmaceuticals now is gonna bring up this very thing because i think when people hear about these sorts of things or that initial famous experiment trying to affect random number generator

17:29 They see the needle move from 50-50 or chance to something like 52% and it does just seem very subtle. But as you've said, from an effect size statistics perspective this isn't very subtle and in fact some pharmaceuticals are no more effective and that's pretty huge! Yeah, the random event generator experiments you're talking about were the famous ones done at the pair lab at Princeton University run by the late Robert John and he and his assistant associate Brenda Dunn a psychologist put together this amazing program where they created a bunch of

18:12 electronic devices that are like the twenty first century version of the toss of a coin there an electron version of the cost of a coin and they have random output, either let's say one or zero war in their case they had images going on computer screens things i can't wait indians you know just randomly back-and-forth and you should, if you just have a random process pretty much get 50-50 of cowboys and Indians coming out of the system. And what they would do is put an operator in front of the computer and have him or her will the computer, for instance to have more cowboys than Indians or more Indians than cowboys. As you say when they lumped together 25 years of hundreds of thousands of these experiments They came up with an effect size of 52%. An effect size is essentially the rate of change

19:14 No, that doesn't sound like much. It sounds like it's about chance until you look at the effect size of something like aspirin Aspirin is considered one of the real success stories with drugs. And, of course it's not just used for headaches and pain now it's used to thin the blood for all kinds of operations stroke victims etc., etc... The effect size of aspirin is 10 times smaller! So that just gives you an idea of the power of consciousness and the power of collective consciousness

19:53 There's another thing I wanted to tell you about that was very recent, really fascinating. We did an experiment and this was just a casual experiment without really measuring the outcome per se doing it intention to help rebuild Beirut And we had something very specific about more funding for the people there after the explosion this summer When we were doing that just to see if there was an effect of this collective consciousness. I asked dr Konstantin Korotkov To set up an experimental device He calls Sputnik which is a device that measures very subtle changes in the atmosphere essentially and It measures it via Changes in human emotion, but here's the thing

20:49 his equipment and he were in st petersburg russia we had two more devices like that, end dubai and one in india. And we have them all going when we did this intention and the people who are participating with scattered around the world we had people from the middle east we have people from america et cetera et cetera all over the place and me here in the uk We sent intention and we found afterward a huge change in the device in russia just at the point we started our experiment now i had even told. Dr karatko when were you going to start sending intentions so he turned on his equipment much much earlier and didn't know until after the fact again when we're doing it,

21:41 We send a huge change as we did in dubai as we did in india big change in the output of this equipment and that really says something amazing about the power of our thoughts. Do you go out there in the world an effect things all over the world, Yeah it is so impressive but then i just start thinking about the state of the world or as you said many people concentrating on a thing can create change and i think about an example like.

22:16 i don't know the queen of england for example living high on the hog in modern times no real justification for that anymore and it works a lot of people who are not happy with their day job or just seen all the opulence and yet, it continues and i just wonder about these big big things like kinda like photographs the technology is not necessarily apart of natural world so its weird that this effect can be used through photographs when you think about someone like the queen of england. a person is not supposed to be able to get this much attention you know they get worldwide recognition so that's a lot of mines concentrating and i would say, often negatively on a person in this position but yet she's what near one hundred years old no signs of the monarchy being dismantled why haven't we been able to manifest utopia at this point with so many people thinking and wanting good things.

23:17 I'm going to just answer first of all the statement about a lot of negativity toward the Queen. I mean, I live in the UK The queen is the most loved figure and it's not because she's an opulent individual living in a palace or whatever It's because what she stands for we can't understand us being Americans You know, it seems very strange for us because we elect or theoretically elect political figures. But the Queen is somebody who essentially represents the best of England, and that's what she lives on in the hearts of people so for her and towards her there is extraordinarily positive feeling she's a kind of steadier of the state ship

24:09 When there is a crisis, she comes and speaks to the people. And it's like mom coming and talking to you but it's more than that It is something like the whole pride of a nation coming together. She's that also for good deal in the Commonwealth which is 100 plus countries So there is probably far more positive feeling toward the Queen than there would be with anyone else. And I think also the fact that, people are watching The Crown which a lot of it is fictional they take the bare bones of something that might have happened and they write in a whole bunch things and theres...I've lived through some what their going through right now being over here and this enormous liberties not really accuracies in there but regardless of what you think about The Queen

25:05 You or me or anybody else out there? The point is for a lot of people. She is a representation of something really positive Something that is above politics and is something about pride unity community all of those good things So I think there's there's that then there's your other question about well, how come we haven't come to a utopia well in When was the last time you thought of everybody on earth thinking a positive thought all at the same time? I would wager never. So, i think that we have a lot of work to do To go beyond that to number one belief in the possibility That we can do this and two are coming together to do it

25:56 Fair fair the queen might not be the best example but there are a lot of world leaders that their people are disenfranchised and not happy with the tyrannical government that they're underneath. And in those cases i don't know i guess it just seems odd that the collective negative thoughts against a person doesn't really seem to disrupt their power and a lotta situations or maybe it does, Will we're not thinking coherently i mean negative intention that's a great question greg because, negative intention has just as much power is positive intention i wrote all about it in my book the intention experiment. So there's no question that we can affect people negatively i mean just look at

26:49 Chigong masters they can send somebody flying across the room if you're really skilled in what they call destroying mind. And there's been many many studies showing that negative intention works just as well as positive intention don't know kinds of strange studies trying to make things grow faster and then, trying to retire their growth with negative intention. They found it works just as well but the point is we're not all thinking of same thing at the same time you know so many of us around the world are disgusted with our leaders We feel there is no leadership, we feel that politics is ridiculous

27:31 Almost i don't know about historically all time low but certainly for modern times we're all at an all-time low but were not thinking the same thing at the same time, we might be just thinking of what another idiotic statement that our president or prime minister said. Or were angry at the outcome of the election or were ecstatic at the outcome of the election whatever. Angry people don't believe in the same thing we believe in but that's still not about coming together with a common intention and then that's a fair point the intention statement is very important i'm sure will get into that

28:13 when a person goes to your website the main banner says what if you had the power to heal every area of your life and the lives of everyone around you already do but it has been hidden from you, add that is one of my preoccupations what has been hidden from us and by who how do we know that this type of information isn't just new but it has been known and intentionally hidden. Well, it has been known. I mean, I'm fairly convinced that Jesus was talking about the power of intention when he talked about group prayer he told his disciples and it's all written down in the Acts that section of the Bible called The Acts where He said

28:57 you know, essentially pray together and you will heal and you will be healed. He was essentially telling them to do group prayer, group healing, group intention so it's been known but you know you have to look at our arc of understanding about ourselves and what happened with science about 300 plus years ago. You know Newton For all of his great things in presenting information that's helped us fly jet airplanes he met a physically ripped out of the center of our world there was much more belief. And call it magic before and the idea of human being is central to some of that magic and i got taken away

29:48 And now we're hearing in our current times about our need to upgrade you know there are books like the great reset talking about how we really need to our next stage of evolution has to require machinery implants and all sorts of things. And my argument to all of that is that's complete nonsense we haven't even begun to tap into. The extraordinary potential we have i see it every single day and it is down with me,

30:24 When i started doing the power of a groups and as i told you, i was completely floored by what was going on. I started doing it over and over and over again i started studying it i started monitoring at we even did studies on it to find out why people could be healed with a small group doing intention in instant i'll give you an example Last summer, I was speaking at a conference and like i do with every conference that im speaking at. At the end of my talk, I put people in groups and let them experience this power of 8 groups. I asked them to send healing intention to a member of the group with health challenge they do and then afterwards I ask for volunteers anybody raise your hand if you can please speak and tell us if you had any kind of effect

31:18 And we get all kinds of amazing things. I had one session not long ago where a woman was due for knee replacement surgery, her knee was wobbly so wobbly she couldn't really even walk on it and after her healing intention she did a deep squat same thing with somebody who couldn't focus their eyes post stroke and she was the recipient of the healing intention and her eyes began to focus again somebody else dislocated shoulder, shoulder literally slotted back into place during the intention and the pain went completely down. And you know on and on and on last summer we had a woman I swear to you and it's all I have it on film and I talked to her afterwards so astounded by that she was in a wheelchair paralyzed from the neck down some weird idiopathic paralysis that would come and go

32:15 And it started the last year and it was mostly there with very brief respite. So her group did a healing intention for her, and it was particularly tragic because she's a young woman and dancer and dance teacher And after it, when we asked for people to talk about their experiences her group nominated her and she stood up. She stood up she turned around and talked with the group, moved her hands and arms etc., etc... We've had that kind of thing happen all the time thousands and thousands and thousands of times

32:54 So I see this all the time and I realize to answer your original question, when we talk about what's been hidden from you. The science of Newtonian science with Darwinian science with modern thoughts We have removed our own magic capability Our own miraculous capability And this is one of them There are other aspects of human potential I've written about in the field ESP and i also do practices with esp as well as intention in my big year long, how are the intention masterclass i run every year we do these kinds of feelings we do pre cognition i've seen remote viewing i do remote viewing in my course to some amazing things where people pick out all kinds of things even on zoom.

33:51 We have this extraordinary capacity we just have to relearn it and that's really what my website is talking about once when i work is all about is giving people back. Their own miracle well said yes consciousness is pretty amazing And those are some great examples of the upper limits of what you've been able to help people with in terms of targets with health challenges. You mentioned healing cancer with thoughts in the beginning and it's funny because I was gonna ask you about, what are the limitations of this? And my examples were going to be could heal paralysis or blindness and those are examples that you pretty much

34:34 gave us already but what about something like dementia or just anywhere where the line gets drawn is there anything that has been a bridge too far for this kind of intention. No no i've seen terminal cancer get turned around seeing paralysis i've seen alzheimer's, get much much much improved but also not just. Health issues i'm also seeing people's life issues change for instance we had a woman in one of my master classes called andy who was trying to get a new job

35:14 And she couldn't get a job anywhere and she was very talented woman in her i probably late thirties early forties lots of experience in marketing coaching should run your own business but you sold it and she just wanted the job. Add two young children to support you is just going through divorce, So everything her group she was in a power of eight groups small group doing intention for week on week which is what happens with my master class i put people into groups and work with them for a whole year. And she wasn't getting anywhere so i finally just said indy get off yourself do attention for someone else and i'll get to that later thats a big piece of what goes on here and

36:02 She did she started doing intention as i asked all of the masterclass to do for a young boy called luke who had broken up with his first serious girlfriend so in a fit of adolescent angst he threw himself off forty foot structure on hard ground and luke broke everything is by all of these bones he had brain damage yet nerve damage doctors didn't think it was gonna live So at the behest of his stepfather, we started setting up an intention vigil three weeks in a row. Three Sundays in a row while stepfather kept a running commentary on what was going on with Luke Now because of that it was fascinating to see that Luke had enormous responses just at the time We were doing intention every week and bottom line he got out of the hospital in record time He's a normal 18 year old now

36:59 No that could have been good doctoring and it also could've been our intention but it was fastening it wasn't a placebo effect because luke like most teenagers thought his parents believe in anything with stupid particularly the power of attention, what was fascinating is what happened to andy because as soon as he got off herself she gotta call out of nowhere from somebody offering her what turned out to be a dream job. So we have that over and over and over again every year i see people get windfalls you know when it often times is exactly the money they need to be two thousand three hundred thirty dollars something comes through the mail that is approximately or exactly that, or some thing happens to them we had a woman who's part of my current master class did intention to set up.

37:59 Meditation groups in schools and she wasn't getting anywhere so her group started to her power be group started doing intention for just set up this project and lo and behold she suddenly got deluge with schools who wanted to do this. and a documentary maker who wanted to film it. So suddenly she's got over 100 schools, 5,000 students, documentary coming on after the power of intention so that kind of thing happens all the time or woman in the other day who told me about her husband who was just diagnosed by a doctor with

38:39 Having real problems with his heart needed a pacemaker and they are very much believers of holistic medicine didn't like that idea at all so she had her group in ten. That the doctor would be completely wrong she would find a holistic doctor, who come to a different conclusion and that her husband would be completely well, they did that and it all happened just like that has been was completely fine didn't have to go through any operation so i see it for people themselves from the other members of the group for people outside the group is extraordinary. Yes it is

39:16 And you alluded to this in a couple of the examples used so far but i wanted to get a bit deeper into that odd phenomenon that mechanism. Call it a blowback effect or an intention ricochet but it seems like when a person will send attention for someone else they end up having at loop back to them maybe it's a mirroring affect, what is seems baked into this protocol are baked into reality itself What are your thoughts on why it seems to happen this way cuz it seems pretty wild. It really is but you know when you actually again the journalist in me needed to find out what the heck is going on here so i started looking into the science of altruism

40:01 And I found that altruism is really amazing. It's like a bulletproof vest when you start doing things for other people, no matter how small taking out your neighbor's garbage for instance you need a healthier happier longer life i mean studies of people with particular illness if they help someone else there more likely to be healed There was a wonderful study of that by a psychologist who is also a priest, who wanted to know whether or not prayer could help people with mental illness. There were certainly plenty of studies showing that it can help physical illness but can it help mental illness too? So we got hold of 400 people with clinical depression

40:49 divided them into two groups. Had one group get the prayer, the other group give the prayer and people who got the prayer were really much better after that healing prayer but nowhere near as good as a people who had given their prayer. Their improvement was off the charts and as I say you know there is volunteers they live longer lives healthier lives People who help in any way experience what they call helper's high it's almost like going jogging you know you got this big bush of endorphins and. Probably the most persuasive study all about this was a study that looked at the difference in terms of immunology so your immune system between people who were

41:42 Try to be successful before themselves and we're basically going after the good life making a lot of money. Having a pleasurable life and were just basically living for themselves in there and their own. Versus people who said well i'm not as affluent but learn through my life experiences, i want to be of service i wanted contribute people wanted to live a life of service and meaning and meaning was the real key here. And they found, when they looked at immune system differences. They found that the people who were just chasing the good life who had everything you could possibly want those type of people had terrible immune system markers signs of inflammation these people were perfect candidates for heart attacks Alzheimer's The whole degenerative laundry list compared to the people who were living a life of service and meaning

42:44 they had robust immune systems. These people were going to live forever, so that to me really encapsulated the whole idea of the power of this intention for other people when you get off yourself and you intend for other people it seems to activate a whole bunch of things in terms of possibility as well There being an x factor that i can only accept and not completely explain. I love it the universe is very fascinating and i really love how,

43:27 aggressively scientific you are about the research and the data because it is the path to wider acceptance. But in this realm of intention and the power of a highly trained consciousness, this is something I became interested in after hearing the claims of people that say they're into the occult and the claims of magic practitioners...I don't know to what degree you've studied that but These are groups of people that were pretty much in the past eradicated by the power centers of their day And they were largely talking about this same stuff, the power to affect the world with a well-trained mind. Mm-hmm Yeah I mean This is not new oftentimes when I tried to find antecedents for The Power of Eight group where it's democratic and distributed

44:18 I could find many, many antecedents that were intention circles or in indigenous populations healing and healing groups. But there was always a guru, there was always the shaman or somebody who is going to lead the group and he would be really considered. The person who is doing the healing or leading them whereas in our power of eight groups it's completely democratic as I say people do it together you may have somebody who is helping to lead it more keeping time for instance but really it is about

45:01 Everyone doing that intention statement together but going back to what you're saying about. You know the powers that be stopping this will it's extraordinarily powerful and we're seeing that again with so many clampdowns on holistic medicine, which is also the body being able to help marshal the body to heal itself. There are so many more threats to that now than there was previously, So you always see that with The Powers That Be looking at the power that individuals have individually or as a collective and that is always a concern. Yeah indeed

45:51 When it comes to magic and comparing it to what you've been doing i am curious about things like weighing the potency of the power of eight intention groups again something like sigil making because the attention aspect is kind of. baked into sigil making before you create the symbol out of your intention statement. And I just wonder if that would have any added effect or if it's an unnecessary step? Upper limits of what's really possible i know you've looked at the brain waves of people that are doing this and they kind of match soothe masters and that kinda thing like what if people were raised from the ground up to believe this was possible and learned it in school and maybe.

46:42 Writing it into the physical space and a sigil might add ten percent potency i'm not sure but what are your thoughts on that. I don't even know what is schedule is could you enlighten me, Oh, absolutely. So with sigils people it's largely starts the same way you come up with a good sigil statement there are qualities of well-designed statement just like intention and then you there's a couple different schools of thought and processes but you take that sentence you write it down You then transform it into a symbol And then you concentrate on that symbol or you put that symbol somewhere

47:22 Where you'll subconsciously see it once in a while and it seems to have the same effect people can manifest their sigil statements i know you did interview along time ago with my buddy gordon white from room super is actually the king of magical magic he's got one of the best. blog posts and courses on it, and it just seems very similar but with that added step of turning the intention statement into a symbol by crossing out the duplicate letters. There's a couple different things people do but when you make it a symbol I just wonder if that is either just a lateral move or if it might add a little potency? Well here's the thing about it Greg there are loads of things that work

48:08 There is no one capacity or one methodology that works. Reiki healing works, reconnective healing works, sigils probably work although I haven't really looked into it certainly power of eight work and my only caveat is don't try to mash them up Don't try to say, well hey we should take a little bit of intention work and then mix that in with sigils or throw in a little Reiki and while we're at it let's have a purple flame in there. And archangels coming along too. You know? We don't know what that will do because again trying to deconstruct it with some sort of scientific validity as you said we looked at brain wave studies I was lucky enough to work with

49:00 Life University, which is one of the largest chiropractic universities in the world. The largest and most prestigious and they have a team of neuroscientists And they put them at my disposal to do a series of power of eight studies now we did one thus far that was studying groups of power of eight groups and looking at the brainwave of one of the members, a sender not a receiver. And as you said we found very very quickly a quieting of the portions of the brain that make us feel separate

49:36 and also quieting the portions of the brain that make us feel anxious, worried full of doubt. And so these people had brainwave signatures very similar almost identical to Sufi masters doing chanting or Buddhist monks in ecstatic prayer studies that were done at University of Pennsylvania of these groups showed almost identical effects now very very different from the brainwave signatures of people doing meditation So imagine if you mash that up and you put meditation in with the power of eight group methodology. You don't know what your gonna come up with, and it may nullify the effect because what we see with our groups is constantly people going into a mystical state essentially, and that's data oneness

50:27 Seems to be the place where miracles occur now. There's a giant difference between what I'm doing, I think and What other people are doing which is I'm doing it in a group as opposed to an individual? I don't know whether the sigils are about sending intention in a Individual thing mm-hmm But this is not to say intention doesn't work sigils don't work Intention individually certainly works. What I'm fascinated by is it seems to be amplified hugely, at least intention is when its done in a small group or large group of course with our intention experiments but the groups seem to have an amplifying effect

51:11 Right on it makes a lot of sense and I guess i'm just dancing around this because. And i don't like to make the show about me but i tend to in these types of interviews want to focus on what might be the most effective modality because i have a particular situation where i've been deaf in their right ear since i was three from meningitis and when i talk to someone about alternative medicine or something like rife devices or red light therapy, you know you hear a lot of pretty radical claims and I actually feel like it's almost faded that i have this particular condition which is pretty radical to be overturned. And I also have this public

51:53 stage in which it could be tested. We can easily say that there's about 80,000 people listening and I'm sure that they would be willing to lend me 10 minutes to concentrate on potentially repairing that but to do that would be like a miracle of modern science and i guess i would ask this because What aspect is a lot of people having the same thought but you've also said that at the same time as important and if this is a show that just kinda comes on demand, that might be difficult but how important is that aspect of it being at the same time if you have enough people concentrating on the same thought is it crucial that it is in unison.

52:36 Well, there's several things that are not crucial. Greg number one you don't need 80 thousand you just need about eight people think the more the better all the time but certainly going back to that seed experiment I talked about in the beginning of our interview there wasn't a difference with size more was not better we were just as effective with 100 as we were with thousands more or less exactly the same. The only thing that changed was one group which was a audience of healing touch practitioners and they were very experienced in sending intention so they had a huge effect and so experience may matter but not necessarily size,

53:25 The miracles i'm telling you about people getting up out of a wheelchair and you know that's pretty big miracle, that was one ten minute session her first time she did it with small group. It was only a group of eight or twelve something like that and also right now to you heard how it started me saying hi don't put people in groups of eight so And my husband being the great headline writer who said i love it the power of eight now. It was an accident is a nice little goldie locks figure so its not too big is not too little but i seen miracles happen with five i've seen miracles happen with twelve i've seen miracles happened with twenty five thousand, show it doesn't really matter but for your purposes you just need to group and you do need to do it at the same time and i would also

54:20 I mean we've done many public things in terms of intention experiments. I've done 35 of them and they've all been public, so we've seen miracles in a public arena. I would recommend you just get together with seven other friends and see what happens." Yeah yeah maybe I should just take the course and test the possibilities for myself! Maybe so... And another thing too is Get off of yourself right you know as i say a lot of people who are stuck and i give you a wonderful example of the guy gold west he was. Tell me about him somebody who really had completely lost the will to live, add it is started he had had a lot of high hopes and dreams when he was at

55:08 College studying to be a biochemist in a very bright man hoping to be adopted or biochemist when he got cold up, do you serve in the last years of the vietnam war and that was the point where you couldn't get a college deferment so we had go and it was so traumatic for him but he came back deeply depressed. Quick college never went back and his life just went into a terrible downward spiral after that even when he met the love of his life. She didn't last long she ended up getting a fast growing cancer and so we lost her, end of having to sell his home to pay for the medical bills and you know on it went so by the time i met him he just could barely get up in the morning. So he participated in a group i had just set up as an experiment at the mile high church outside denver

56:01 and first time got in the group he was gonna put himself forward because he was so depressed but he felt that there's another woman with stage four cancer and maybe she is more deserving, more needing of it. So he was just a sender and it was extraordinary afterward you went home and went to bed by the next morning woke up and had what I hear all the time very heightened senses He had a drink of tea in the morning and it just was the most amazing herbal tea you ever had. The flowers were sweeter than they've ever been the grass is green or that kind of thing but also, he found me something outgoing where have been very introverted and trying to avoid people and then by next night. You have this extraordinary dream it was almost like a vision he said

56:58 of meeting his 19 year old self back at university and his younger self saying to him, don't worry. Somehow communicating, don't worry there's still time and he just felt the most love and possibility and suddenly feeling all of his high hopes and dreams come flooding back and as a result here Who is like somebody who was like scrooge on christmas day you know how we races around throwing presents at everybody in a week's life is completely changed. Suddenly, Wes is doing power jogging and power walking. And studying new things he enrolled in courses writing engaged going and doing power raid groups at his local church and being a completely transformed man I remember that was just all about sending and i hear that over and over again

57:58 I love it. The examples just stack up and they make this more and more impressive And I know we're getting to the end of the line here. I wanted to squeeze one more thing in if we could put that, what doctors don't tell you hat on one more time? I know people have a lot of Corona fatigue but you wrote a blog titled The Biggest Protest Movement You Haven't Heard Of referring to The Great Barrington Declaration and i just think it's something we should mention there are a lot of experts who are being pushed out of the mainstream who do not agree with how this has all been handled I'm talking professors of Harvard, Oxford and Stanford along with at least 40 000 scientists and medical practitioners. Talk to us a little bit about this to the degree that you're comfortable just because i think it's important for people to at least know about this kind of resource? And i haven't had a guest who's actually written about this okay sure well The Great Barrington Declaration was something that was developed by

59:01 I believe it is three initial scientists, as you say Oxford Harvard Stanford and they felt that the lockdown was not helpful. And that there were better ways to handle coronavirus and they proposed a whole way of doing so that would help protect the people who are vulnerable but allow the rest of the population to go about their lives because they worried that there would be more illness as a result of lockdown, people losing their jobs and ill health. And it would be worse particularly on the poor or poorer people and it would end up with worst statistics so they called at The Great Barrington

59:48 declaration because they were given a place in Barrington to do this and to film this by an organization that was a libertarian society. So, they've been attacked by that but they are not the libertarians actually there quite left wing two of three of them They're just simply looking at it from a point-of-view health science which is what they are and its been signed by Dozens and dozens of top biologists, and epidemiologists. And loads and loads hundreds of thousands people now so if you just Google great Barrington debate now the problem is maybe don't google it go to duckduckgo because it was initially buried by google elsewhere this is a long conversation Greg about Facebook and Google being

1:00:46 Press game or being complicit in promoting the governments and this is both sides of the Atlantic. The governments version of events and solutions and so there's a lot of me robert f kennedy junior is suing facebook at the moment because he basically saying look you are a. Information source but your basically just spouting government propaganda something to that effect it is actually sitting now, So, the Great Barrington Declaration is worth looking into because it shows a different point of view and it's by independent virologists and independent scientists. And there are many other scientific studies coming through looking at the current solutions to COVID

1:01:37 and finding them really wanting, whether it's mask wearing lockdown. This isn't and it's not politicized. And that's the problem now the whole solution to COVID has been so politicized It's essentially Republican equals no masks, no social distancing or lockdown. Democrats equal lockdown etc., etc.. It shouldn't be that it should simply be what is the scientific evidence show and the scientific evidence shows that most of our solutions everything from the testing procedures we have to the numbers they're showing to lockdown as a solution

1:02:19 and even the vaccine itself have serious problems. And that should be aired, and I say this as a journalist because people will say oh you're anti-government you're anti vaccine no i'm not i'm just a real journalist and so I talk about the truth without fear or favor People can see that by the way on my blog every week. Most weeks I'm writing things about COVID, etc., and we're doing a free COVID event sometime in January or February of free live event with some of these scientists so you can find out more on lynnemctaggart.com Amazing! Yes cheers to all that

1:03:03 I definitely wanted to fit that in because i think maybe people in this audience are convinced of a lot of the things you're talking about but we have to have the conversation with friends and family who aren't so convinced. And they just keep hearing trust the science, but science isn't a single conclusion what they mean is trust whatever we tell you and just shut up and listen! If they really wanted to be truthful about that trust-the-science statement Well, go look at all these many scientists who have a different opinion. You're just not getting on the TV. So I think when we're trying to approach our friends and family that resource is great because if you want to trust Ivy League scientists well

1:03:44 How about these Ivy League scientists and maybe a deep dive into that will convince some people to kind of come to our side and be a little more critical or, or a little more open minded. About what's going on out there so I appreciate you spelling that out for us Man, this has just really been amazing. Thanks so much for taking the time I think people are really gonna love all the topics on the table today before I cut you loose definitely remind people about your website your courses and anything else they might want to check out or get involved with Okay great well i'm at lin mctaggart dot com and if you wanna find out more about my power of eight intention master class the twenty one version starts on february six so we got the doors open.

1:04:35 Find out more on linmctaggart.com and just go over to the section on courses It's power of eight intention masterclass 2021 and you'll find out all of what we teach And get involved in and also, we're setting up a community site so you can set up a power of eight group I've got a Facebook page Lin McTaggart 2011 but also Facebook group page Connecting and healing to the power of eight where people are forming power be groups and of course in my course you'll be put in a power of a group they become your intention family. I should also tell you that if u want to find out more about what we're doing these v covid we got having a free event about staying safe with real information about how to stay safe and that's

1:05:28 A free event and that is at get well dot solutions awesome. And I'll add the appropriate links to the show notes as well but very cool i really appreciate the work you do and your time today can't thank enough i know it's a marathon session around here but do take care thank you so much gregg you got it Eureka, Hiresight Shatters! All right. I loved it. Lynn McTaggart the power of eight and what a power it seems to be My mind has always been kind of blown by this sort of intention stuff And I don't know if there's anyone who's been more hands-on with the studies and the data collection and the dedication than Lynn So who better to make the case? I've also been getting emails about how we haven't really done a magic show in awhile

1:06:19 And this was kinda my attempt personally i think this qualifies most magic to me when we're talking about. What an individual can implement into their life it's just a well trained mine will and action of course lens big point is you don't even have to have a well-trained mind for this you just have to do it, And you know me by now, I tend to want to look at the range of different approaches and find the one that works best so that i don't waste my time or so that when someone tries something and it doesn't work they don't dismiss the whole range of consciousness abilities.

1:06:56 And then I tend to settle on what i would do and that's as far as I get. Kind of like exercise, I never really do it but I read a lot about the most effective routines because... To use a Tim Dillon phrase? Let's do it once and do it right! Which is how exercise works as far as I know. I do love Lynn's confidence though this is a pretty radical practice by mainstream terms and I appreciate her being so bold about it I still have questions about what the wider implications mean about reality and consciousness. Yes, i have a broad model for it but i like to get into the details of well why doesn't it work this way or why is this more effective etc etc Obviously i picked a few examples today that probably didn't work best for this interview and using The Queen and sigil magic

1:07:48 Lyn is right that pretty much any world leader or royalty or billionaire philanthropist has just as many people out there lobbying positive thoughts at them, as negative ones. So it doesn't really matter what I think about them because clearly not everyone thinks like i do or this wouldn't be a counterculture show My point was just that if you look at how this world seems to have been designed to be without technology stripped out away we'd be in little villages and communities. And as individuals would be pretty unknown outside of our circle but because of our man made, outdated political structures and global communication technologies and all that

1:08:31 hundreds of millions of people are aware, a certain figures in leadership positions and those people have a lot of positive and negative intention. Quote unquote lobbed at them and i don't see any indication that it makes much difference in their lives that's what I think is kinda curious I mean, does the CIA use the Power of Eight? Why even stage coups or launch assassination teams if you can just do some of that work from the Pentagon Intention Room. Sure there's a blowback effect but just don't tell them that and get eight more recruits for the next one! I know they had the men who stare at goats stuff but now we have Lin's process and it seems to have no limits for healing why would it have limits for other stuff

1:09:23 There is the argument that the universe is tilted towards the positive. We do need love and touch and human interaction to thrive and survive, so maybe positive intention does get a little bit more fuel to it? It almost would have to or there'd be no one left! But look at the seed thing how the hell does it work via a photograph?! How high does the resolution need to be on that photograph? Does a black and white photo work just as well? What about an 8-bit photo that's so pixelated you can barely see what you're looking at. What about taking four pictures of four seeds each, then instead of planting those in groupings mixing them up and planting one seed from each photo in each box Would the intended upon seeds still outgrow the rest with one oversized stalk in each pot

1:10:14 I just have so many questions. And sigil magic! I want to know if that extra step of writing it into a symbol adds any juice Let's do apples-to-apples and do a power of eight intention, and then a power of eight intention where the intention statement is broken down into a sigil and that's focused on let's just compare those two things I don't have a dog in the fight. I just wanna understand what's under the hood of reality And I get Lynn's point, which is that the power of eight is what she focuses on and it works. So she's not too worried about the rest. Yes other things work too but why fix what isn't broken? How many processes do you really need to get that same result? But to have someone who has been so dedicated to this study as well as maintaining a health magazine called What Doctors Don't Tell You...I mean this is pretty perfect for us right?!

1:11:12 And I never really want to make these interviews about me, but objectively i have this deaf ear. A condition that the western system says is completely unfixable and if it was to be fixed through intention wouldn't that be the thing that made a believer out of all of us? I might sound like a broken record sometimes but it's hard not to bring it up when we're talking about such radical healing effects And I've read the book, I've seen the studies. I am a believer but i also wonder why these things don't just explode by word of mouth if it's basically magic healing that affects everything from cancer to blindness to paralysis? Why doesn't it just completely overtake western medicine by the results alone? I guess the easy answer is that you have to actually do it and how many people really do

1:12:08 But Lin's process isn't that complicated, so I'm curious if we could try this for me. Maybe we could whip up a little Christmas miracle? Perhaps we should try it for someone else and see how it ricochets to me...if that's the best way! But I asked her about timing because it would have been very simple to just do a little thing in the wrap-up of this show about it and hope that when I wake up in a few days, I'm here in the world in stereo. But obviously, the aspect of doing it together in time is important. Maybe I have eight listeners who actually have experience doing this and wouldn't mind forming a little powwow with me?

1:12:51 I know Gordon has a whole intention room aspect of his premium membership built right in and they have had some amazing results. We talked to him about the fires last time, maybe i could just rent them or something? I can't imagine that it wouldn't be better to go with people who have done this before a few times but i'm pretty sure you guys trust me not to say that i've been healed if i haven't And I also think this isn't something like allergies that can come and go day by day. I'm fully freaking deaf in the right ear, wouldn't it be pretty amazing to see that overturned with mental intention exercises? I've already accepted this aspect of my life so i'm not really emotional about it or desperate but if these things work let's test them with a pretty extreme condition

1:13:44 That's just how I feel about it. But shoot me an email if you've done this before and would like to help me out! Maybe i'll take Lynn's course first for myself, to really make sure that I have all the pieces in place. In 10 years I've never really pushed to implement what we talk about on the show for personal use although red light therapy was a close one but it fell apart when I had to buy thousand dollar headlamp from the netherlands and some of you might be saying well g in the last episode you did with chris blood so he mentioned that he has a healing ability ever since it's been visited by the angels and i would say. You are very right dear listener and i've already had some conversations with chris and sent him the few things that he asks for that,

1:14:30 Seem to make his healing process work remotely. So we'll see how that goes first, but let's uh Let's talk about it. Let's arrange something if you guys are into it I only need a couple of you as you know But with Chris It would be dare I say even more amazing to me because quite honestly It would also validate all the other elements of Chris's story which are pretty vast and pretty extreme But let's try some stuff, right? Let's pursue some things. We shouldn't have to guess if it works it works but if you did like this and you're interested in a follow-up well this Thursday the 17th of December Lynn is doing a free live event with Dr Bruce Lipton who was also a previous THC guest but its called Reprogramming Yourself for Healing and I will probably be there because I'm very interested in hearing these two talk together

1:15:30 Also, in higher side news I got put in YouTube timeout for a three year old episode with David Seaman. So...I'm literally not allowed to get this show up on the YouTube channel until next week! And I don't pay much attention to the YouTube channel usually but I got this notice and then it took me to the stats page and we have 80 thousand YouTube subscribers!! For an audio only show that doesn't even emphasize its YouTube channel thats pretty good My email request letter has some stats in it to try to sway potential guests and I think it still says, I have 60,000 YouTube subscribers. So probably time to update that

1:16:11 But I started thinking, YouTube apparently sends out a framed platinum play button award to anyone who's gotten 100k subscribers. Well, I wonder if anyone has gotten that award and also got kicked off in the same year? That is one of my 2021 goals! If we can just get that last 20K which seems pretty easy It would be a nice capstone to the YouTube part of the journey, to have that award and then hell at that point I might even leave myself. But yeah, band this week so that's why the shows are going to be lagging behind but there was a lot of fun stuff in The Plus Show today!

1:16:53 Lynne talking to us about what thoughts even are, describing them as mental trespassers. Tips for memory retention and greater recall How true diet and health conflicts with the official advice How to change or control our thoughts The coronavirus intention sessions that she's done And the results there Their ability to reduce violence in hot spots around the world with intention weather, permaculture and intention mysterious qualities of water and how it relates to all this. Intention statement creation protocols Lynn's thoughts on where the healing actually comes from And then I haven't really made the free plus split yet I have to see if The Great Barrington Declaration will only be in The Plus Show or if that's what we're going to end with but either way It's important All you gotta do is Google Great Barrington Declaration

1:17:50 It's just another resource for the coronavirus skeptics out there because, just like the engineers and architects for 9-11 Truth it is a group of professionals high high level professionals who are not happy with the coronavirus policies and protocols that have been implemented this year. And they think there's a much better way so... For people who need good resources that is one So all important stuff and I hope you feel motivated to dig deeper into your own abilities, and of course a THC Plus membership. But regardless organizations like the CDC and the FDA they like to parade white lab coats out on TV and act like they care about each and every little precious life but we know them by their fruits both of them are revolving doors of corruption with plenty of deaths on their hands

1:18:45 And it's more about what they've omitted and censored from the medical toolbox, if you ask me. Why would they only allow for answers that line the pockets of multinational medical corporations if there are other solutions on the table and they really just care about your health? I don't even know why we have to keep having this conversation but we do! Ask your conventional friends and family why we haven't heard a single word about how to properly take care of ourselves on any of the mainstream platforms Wear a mask, don't worry about your diet. Wear a mask, don't worry about how much zinc and sunlight you get." And they would also never talk about something like the power of eight no matter how many studies Lin threw at them But if we do manifest our reality according to what were consciously focused on and what we've come to believe then it's no surprise that so much time and attention goes into controlling that

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