Jeremy Corbell | Mysteries of Ufology, Covert Technologies, & Bob Lazar

00:05 Man, it's tough and masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of man And until you've thoroughly tested every last close-tested view I'd find the more you think you know The less you really do That's true Dr. Seuss Very well Where would we be without TAT? Cause we know they're lying to us Just don't know what to believe Where would we be without DT? The highest tech show, Greg Carwood

00:42 Welcome back to the party, Hireside Chatters drinking a little drink. Smoking a little smoking diving deep into the field of ufology from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and folks we've been down the rabbit hole long enough to be pretty confident We're not alone in the universe and that elements at The Power Pyramid know this all too well From black budget projects aimed at reverse engineering crafts To rumors of secret ET dealings to the idea that humanity is being tagged and tracked by alien overseers It's all there, and when you traverse the field of ufology I think you'll find that most of what we think we know has been cemented in the counterculture by legendary names like Bob Lazar and John Lear. Well today's guest Jeremy Corbell is an artist researcher and filmmaker in Los Angeles who's been lucky enough to spend a good amount of time with both these guys and more on his quest to better understand the strangeness going on behind the curtain You can find about a dozen of his films at extraordinarybeliefs.com And it's a real pleasure to have him here Jeremy my man Welcome to THC

01:38 Thanks Greg, it's awesome to be on. Oh for sure man thanks for being here I think this is going to be a great time! I've been lucky enough to see several of your films and exposés and the thing that i really need to commend you on man is the quality because to me that is one of the biggest problems for the conspiracy and ufology communities and anyone who has really dug into these subjects will know that you typically have to wade through hours and hours poor audio video material that really can sometimes be hard to get through and a lot of people just aren't going to do that. But by bringing professional quality and modern HD cameras at the party, I think you'd do a lot to bring in new people and that's kind of an important piece of the puzzle so great work man!

02:18 Thanks a lot man i mean if there's anything that i would like to contribute to the field of phenomenology whatever you call it, you know it would be too kind of uplift the visual medium that is something that I saw. You know was lacking over all those years and i'm looking at it and so the best did that i can with equipment that i have in my own vision i'm trying to do that so appreciate that but its everybody's job we all gotta work at it. I do concur So let me ask you, how did you get on this track man? Because it seems like you've developed pretty solid relationships with some of the big names in this community. Not only Bob Lazar and John Lear but also Dr Roger Lear George Knapp astronaut Edgar Mitchell It's a pretty impressive roster man What sent you down this path You know that story for me basically begins when I was 13 years old I listened to some sort of broadcast that had George Knapp

03:14 john lear bob lazar gene huff and they were talking about the alleged you know reverse engineering program that was. Being done at s four around nineteen eighty nine and do way, did bobbins are described the propulsion system completely just flip the script for me i always imagined as things kind of traverse space that there being propelled like a rocket You know dumping you know if you as a ghost right but as you know the way he described it is absolutely counterintuitive until you understand it and that that. Description of the propulsion system just like to say weaponized my curiosity just completely,

04:02 Open my mind to the possibilities that things are completely different than what we imagine them to be i would say that's how it started for me and then that was the moment that first remember being absolutely fascinated with these topics. You know and then you go on with your life in your kid and you do what you doing you know you follow your path of your life and. I might happen to be jiu-jitsu that was like the number one thing i wanted to do with my life, And then i had a unique experience with the health issue and it forced me to move from doing something that was so physical into engaging these topics that had been such a curiosity. I kind of secret passion for me for a long time and thats how i got started, i think the first phone call did i ever made specifically to engage this topic

05:01 What's to john lear you know i figured here is a guy at the nexus of every conspiracy theory i have ever read about in my life if there anybody that got an opinion. You know it's gonna be john lear, You know he's kind of the godfather of conspiracy and you know from there i mean I tried every which way to get a hold for like three years. I was trying to get ahold them and just never got a call back never got an answer never picked up the phone, i don't know what was going on at that time of his life but it just didn't pan out for me in then through all this i try to get to him finally no finally one day

05:41 Get a call and it's a jeremy john i hear you trying to get hold of me what do you wanna talk about that was the beginning of this kind of strange and bizarre journey for me. Right on that is awesome and yeah i know all too well it can be hard to get a hold of some of these people but that's awesome and you also had a couple of sightings of things in the sky yourself since she started this filming journey having. Well i mean i think what specifically are talking about if u no kind of look up on the internet you'll see something called the silver surfer this was

06:17 Total anomalous situation i was walking with my wife in santa monica where we lived at the time and you know i have my iphone messing with it somehow, can i look up at the sky and see these two spiraling. You know kind of shimmering silver it was very impressive i've never seen anything like it before my life And i raise my camera up and i know took a really crappy shaky video in remember saying on the video like. What is this looks like silver surfer and you know being that i started, no can i interest in this i said well let me just send it to the local news and just see if anybody else in santa monica side wasn't claiming anything i was simply saying not only did i see this but i filmed it

07:08 Did anybody else film it or see it and that kind of started a hail storm you know the media immediately put it up on air. right next to bill nye and having bill nye kind of analyze my footage in. You know i was like oh this is cool when it started and then all the sudden he comes out with well this footages most likely faked and he probably super imposed brian shrimp which had to look up on google which are sea monkeys, You know into into the video and it made me live it because here I am you know really interested. In what the truth might be and this is like, you know This is the mountain of scientific reason who's saying I superimpose sea monkeys It's like a modern-day version of swamp gas from project blue book, you know Unbelievable so I spent you know solid week of my life saying well

08:09 I bet there's a way we can do this with modern technology you know so essentially created like a facebook group back when you did that and collected about i say six to eight videos of these same objects. all throughout the Santa Monica area including a video taken by some famous basketball player I guess that was on TMZ and so nobody knew what this was. And, I had this aeronautics specialist who triangulated the descent rate the size all this stuff i mean these objects were real we had them on camera I was never claiming they were extraterrestrial I was asking what are they? They're UFO's or unidentified

08:52 Sure enough finally i was able to discover that they were red bull skydivers with flares on their ankles actually have the video of the diver jumping out at the plane he's nice enough to give it to me oh wow yes that was kinda like my first you know kick in the pants like so this is how its gonna be huh no when you start looking into this weird stuff there's a natural resistance and a way to play it in the media that not only mocks it but discredits the people who come forward with information.

09:29 Yeah, isn't that funny how even though the footage turned out to be something identifiable you still got a taste of the dismissive nature of the mainstream. A taste of the wrath of the gatekeepers because I guess you weren't trying to say it was something otherworldly maybe hoping but you're just asking the question right what the F is that and it's frustrating to see the explanations go straight to manipulation straight too well this guy's a scammer You know It does suck But I think in recent years at least kind of changed for some people. I think they've become a bit more open because they have just better access to a whole host of strange footage captured in the sky

10:05 I mean a couple comments on that one is it you know we police ourselves with this no we do it to ourselves worse than anybody does it us and, you know i think the laugh factor of people they just wanna seek the unknown begin with really its most likely because of fear it's the idea of being uncomfortable that the world is not actually. you know as it appears and I think with a cursory glance into this UFO phenomenon or you know all the phenomena connected to the UFO matter, it becomes immediately evident. Right. I mean immediately evident

10:46 There's something bigger going on has been going on since the beginning of recorded human history and that every watchdog agency on this planet in the intelligence community knows about it to some degree. And you know has made a point and we know this through FBI documents have made up point too, To make and create a laugh factor, you know discrediting force. Oh yeah so that we self-discredit it's incredible Mm-hmm I mean they've even got it so finely tuned that the word truther is A negative label to put on someone. I mean, I think that's probably the furthest extent of language manipulation It's kind of funny but

11:31 You know i've never been lucky enough to see a ufo myself there are hot spots out there that I'd like to spend more time at and I saw you post something this is kind of random it's something about the desert yeti ranch in a blurb about being one. I haven't heard of desert yeti ranches, is this real thing or were you goofing around? Well okay so first of all let me just say I have never seen something Did i can i'm kind of in your camp you know i've never seen the mothership i've never seen a spaceship that i can't describe i have seen anomalous, aerial phenomenon mostly in the form of lights in the sky no day or night and i have no idea what they are.

12:10 And they certainly defied the known physics that I am aware of, but i have no proof if this stuff is military compared to natural phenomenon. So im in the same camp as you my confidence in the fact that this is all going on comes from wide variety of other sources not because i had some abductive experience now the thing you're bringing up is hilarious because i'm just gonna stay silent on that but i have a ranch did i live in la but also have a ranch out pioneer town california and upon spending more time out here there has been pretty incredible display of aerial phenomenon and i think this area.

13:00 Is is kind of known for that i mean if people know about pioneer town california it's you know real near to the integrity on and where ben tassel did all of his wild stuff so there is a rich history out here and whereby huge military base in miami be part of it. So that was that was kinda like internal reference just from my friends, Gotcha. Yeah, that's funny because I'm always looking for those spots of course Skinwalker Ranch is out there also I mean, yeah, I'm not sure if you're familiar but James Gilliland East City ranch near Trout Lake I hear that's a place where people see all kinds of things and what's intriguing There is a lot of the things tend to come out of the like the base of a mountain which you know when it comes to mysterious things? I'm always interested in an

13:47 underground element or some kind of like you know hidden in a mountain base type element but apparently that's pretty common up there and I think it's an old trout lake Oregon or Washington. Yeah, you know i've heard a little bit about it. I think what makes the skinwalker ranch story most compelling Is that the history of how was purchased by robert bigelow i mean here's an individual now you know going to attach inflatable, habitats on to the iss he has had for decades too personal.

14:26 Habitable orbiting space stations and here's a guy who is on the bleeding bleeding edge of technology and decided to put more money than any living human being or any individual ever in the history world has put into researching this stuff yet now it completely focused. On on space exploration but at that time you know pretty much scientists and and thats the book we know how to skinwalker You know primary author being George Knapp with his other author and it's an incredible location that what has occurred there is almost beyond belief, but in fact It appears that it has occurred these things have occurred there. And there are other places like this That's why they put the book out mm-hmm was to find out if There were other places like this and sure enough there are

15:22 Yeah, Skinwalker Ranch has so many strange things about it. Most of it I was familiar with but I did hear you talking about it on uh...I guess in the previous interview and you had mentioned a black mist that seemed to possess people and in some way and I hadn't heard that before but almost sounds like a swarm of nanobots or something like that Now your talking my language! That's where I start to get kind of excited there is a technological aspect to these paranormal seemingly paranormal things i mean that story was related. You know to me i believe by george himself but i think it's in the book or at least there is an article came out about it and about the scientist that had, that experience but you know essentially he was paralyzed and there wasn't intelligence speaking through his body

16:12 as crazy as that sounds, but yes. That black mist, that idea of technologically advanced miniaturized robots that all work in unison towards a similar goal... nanobots right? Utility fog! I mean if that was real technology that would be incredible Yeah, yeah it would. And that's pretty far out there but I guess this is a question that comes up with the lot of the technological stuff that seems outside humanity's grasp It's the same argument with the crafts how are they able to make right angle turns in midair? How are they hovering that way when we don't have any known crafts that can do that

16:51 But what do you think about the idea that you don't need to bring aliens in, to explain this stuff? That the military black ops groups have gone so far down their research holes at these underground bases and they're so far ahead of the surface world almost like a breakaway civilization in their own right. That what they have seems alien I mean I'm not someone who tries to say much one way or another but there has been a trend In the alternative community To attribute a lot of these things to the black project groups instead of aliens But what are your thoughts? Do you think you need to bring in ET to explain some of the things people have seen. No, but I also don't believe that military black budget programs could even start scraping the surface of what humanity has experienced again since the beginning of recorded human history

17:35 So you know the fundamental answer to that is, you know look before there was a car that was beyond You know humanity's grasp before there was the first airplane. That was beyond humanity's grasp That's just the way that the world progresses these things that we're seeing these experiences that were having that seem technologically advanced where we are at right now and You know maybe at one time in human history we look up and we say, whoa that must be the gods coming from heaven. The idea that everything worth seeing and when we all saw this from years ago drones were going to be the next thing everybody's gonna say oh thats just a drone in the sky well

18:23 Fundamentally you know that there's work that always gonna be the way we explain stuff but our black projects and i talk to people, no deep with inside. The military industrial complex they were in charge of income and of the bases and programs that dealt with development of a number of these advanced technologies and their responses off the record to me have always been We wish we had the capabilities that we document and record on a daily basis invading our airspace so yeah they be the ones to know. Yeah

19:05 Man, so it also is hard to explain away like you kind of mentioned old accounts. You know there are old paintings and ancient writings where they talk about people riding snakes in the sky that spit fire I mean that sounds like a plane or rocket to me and you had a presentation at the 2015 UFO Congress that i thought was super interesting From that presentation in your background was this little story about this 1866 lithograph of George Washington and his Masonic garb. Of course, I love anything that connects both conspiracy and ufology but tell us about this lithograph because this is another one of those types of bits of evidence that is even older so it makes it hard to explain away with well modern technology could be doing

19:46 Yeah, that was a fascinating... you know again this is one of those things that I just fixated upon because i stumbled across it and hadn't been put forward yet. It's definitely not the most interesting painting or lithograph of an unknown object that appears from an artist standpoint to be deliberately created to look like a flying saucer There's there's one. There's a Flemish painter, I think last name is Gelder G-E-L-D-E-R and he painted something called the Baptism of Christ and it was painted in 1710 and this painting shows

20:32 flying disc just shooting beams of light down during the baptism of Christ. I mean it is an absolutely incredible, there was nothing in the air mechanical in 1710 from us so that's an incredible painting now The George Washington one why that one piqued my interest because I was searching the Library of Congress And I was just kind of looking for Masonic imagery and ufology stuff, and came across this lithograph. The one you're talking about from 1866 And when I looked at it at first, it looked like typical Masonic imagery. Everything has a place. Everything has a balance and place in Masonic imagery except when I focused on the Jacob's Ladder which is where angels which are messengers ascend and descend from heaven

21:28 the you know i'm looking at this object and i started doing color correction tweaking in you can see the green red yellow and black paint that was put on. You know because of modern technology thank u it's amazing there is a to me looks like a ship so again i'm not making any claims i'm just saying hey raising my hand i found this, What do you think it is? Right, yeah. I think those old references are a great counterpoint to that argument that it all just could be a breakaway human civilization because It gets harder and harder to justify that answer when you go back and see things flying in the sky from 1700s and 1800's imagery

22:11 But we talked about nanobots just a minute. I wanted to bring up Nano Man, this was one of the first videos of yours that I saw, Nano man and his utility fog and let me read apart of the copy here so people can get some context for this but A military funded nano physicist known for advanced propulsion systems discovers mysterious forces while building a device intended for interstellar space travel This strange propulsion may provide hard physical proof for the existence of the multiverse Nanoman also believes he possesses a mysterious meta-material not created here on Earth. Is this physical evidence of extraterrestrial nanotechnology from a UFO landing site, or has everyone been fooled for some deeper reason? That is an excellent primer man and I really loved that video but how the hell did you find this guy?!

22:57 Yeah that okay. How did I find nanoman? So, I'm calling him Nanoman just for now I mean you know i've got a series of film pieces on his exploits everything from propulsion systems to You know his claims on this utility fog so it's not like some big secret He's one of these lucky people that's not under contract mm-hmm. You know where he can do whatever he wants so at some point i'm gonna reveal that but how i found him oddly enough was through a number of my military friends who were consulting for him and. You know they know what i'm interested in not the bear interested in it but they keep their ears nice open for me, and they were like you know you really should check out what he's doing with propulsion cuz i know thats what your fascinated with fundamentally nice great

23:50 I'll check it out so i went to go interview with him and document some of what he's doing on what he calls the space drive which is the new short i will be releasing most likely at the two thousand sixteen international ufo congress in the film festival. And it highlights that technology that he has been building testing and creating, Now in those conversations with him after the course of a few days it quickly became apparent that his inspiration. And it's kind of dead set knowledge that certain things were possible stemmed from somewhere else. It's time from other experiences that he had but he wasn't telling me so over the course of kind of earning his trust over a number days in the floodgates open,

24:44 And one of the things that he said to me is what you experienced in that short film. He says, I've got something you might be interested in. It's like all right well what's that? And he goes up into his upstairs laboratory at the time comes out with a vial filled with what looks like water and I was like okay what is this yeah and he says Inside here are trillions and trillions of independent nano bots and i didn't even know what that meant you know he said micro machines. Did a he had collected did somehow work together in unison towards the single goal utility fault never heard these words before now starting to think the guys little bit off not well so tight right but i don't know show me a bottle water soap as it,

25:38 Self proclaimed investigative journalist right what is my job my job is to take it and see if i can verify any of his results he backs up his statements in the same this is what you believe. Not really tell me quite where he got from yet by showing me the scanning electron microscope images, what he perceived to be gears and and and graspers, and just mechanical parts. And I didn't even understand the magnitude of which i was looking at these things at. One or two nanometers? So I kind of just laughed about it like well how is someone like myself

26:23 Ever going to validate that inside your little liquid here you have some non terrestrial super intelligent material you know this as well. You should go see me this is said this was nine years ago i image the stuff he's like i have no idea if it's, you know dissolve broke down if its still there is why don't you take it and have analyzed at like nasa how am i gonna do that Right well let me make some calls let me see if i can get you a tech and i just didn't believe that he was gonna get so there i am. NASA aims in little bit of central north california it's an old moffett airfield military base and sure enough,

27:08 I had a non restricted unescorted full media pass to film for an entire day with the technician on a scope which cost a lot of money. To look at this what looks like water today and see if in fact we can replicate visually be what he had imaged nine years prior yeah, So that's the film. The film is me taking it there and just trying to replicate visually what he had seen, and then if we could do that then the guy is not lying to me and new questions arise." Yeah man its pretty awesome! And he makes one comment where he says it shouldn't exist for another thousand years I'm curious if you can share how did he come across this? If it's not something that he developed

27:56 Well, okay. So right now what I'm doing is attempting to have this and other materials analyzed and i don't want to kind of pollute the well by saying where he got obviously he believes this is some advanced technology. I have said before so I can say again you know this is a powdered dust I guess metallic powder dust all often found, you know if you read any Jacques Vallée's done extensive studies on this that there are residues that can be found at UFO landing sites. Some people even claiming in crop circles and where commonly abductions occur now again I am not a hardcore believer in any of this when it comes to these outside... all I'm trying to do

28:53 is find out if there is anything we can study of substance surrounding these things. And so that's what I can say about where he got it, he has been shown a number of things in the years prior to him being a nanotechnologist that convinced him beyond a shadow of doubt that there are Civilizations that have created technology so advanced they do appear like magic to us but his belief is since they have done it. We will be able to do one day well it's fascinating stuff and i do agree with you that getting some kind of verifiable trace evidence in getting out into the public eyes a big part, what's needed to change the mindset around you follow g because some people will not budge until their dragged to the truth kicking and screaming

29:43 And on the flip side, to have a population that has such a high mark to reach before they'll even be open-minded about these possibilities means the elite only really have to catch the big stuff to avoid having any real problems on their hands. Very convenient! Look ultimately...the messengers of deception and the architects of the secrecy we know who they are They're not us I mean ultimately if there are intelligent non humans or just other intelligent beings that are operating these craft, Above our skies with impunity for you know a long time let's just say you know at any given time they could show themselves so as we peel away layer by layer and try to kind of perforate this veil illusion or secrecy, no we will have some little bit of success here are there but look it's a.

30:38 pretty difficult thing to do. We can kind of peek behind and do our best, and I'm not thinking that anything any of us are doing is just gonna crack this wide open but it is fascinating and it is life changing in a way. And I think that's what important. Ultimately how we engage each other and the foundation of our principles of how we relate to one another If our world view expands to the point of transcending you know hunger and fear.

31:14 then we may be able to build together a world that is slightly more interesting than if we're just operating based on competition. So I believe that this search for the unknown and this kind of gentle and methodic interrogation of what is behind this veil helps us to be Better humans. Yeah, and I think that ultimately that's what matters amen man. I agree So let me ask you have you been in contact with anyone else working on anything as? Technologically advanced as nanoman oh yeah for sure right on can you tell us about any of the other people you've spoken with that have something interesting in their possession

32:02 Yeah i mean you know if you're talking about your actual physical proof of non human intelligence creating some technologically advanced thing you know there are a lot of people that claim that and. You know most famously is you know bob lazar what he worked on using element 115, But you know there are a number of people I don't know that will ever, and i believe real evidence is swooped up and people are threatened just like at the brazil ranch during the roswell crash. Not a single piece made it out into the public man so any real proof is pretty much controlled at the highest level

32:43 But what I will say is there are people now working on technologies that we as humans have been told are completely impossible such as cold fusion. We know that the fundamental physics of cold fusion holds up, that it exists but to harness in a cost efficient and effective way right? Right that is kind of the key so with some of these scientists we call me in the invisible college you can buy jacques valet, you know the scientist that give their time effort resources and materials to help people like myself or any researcher move the needle forward.

33:26 Okay so within this group of people some of the interesting things that i've been exposed to and I will be putting out films on this stuff it's all filmed already is the endeavor to harness cold fusion there has been great leaps and bounds that have been made in this field specifically do you. nanotechnology and the reason is because we have now metamaterials alloys that have never existed in you know ever in human history they've never existed but we can almost perfectly atomically lay down atoms of metals and in fact

34:06 We can now grow metals i don't know if you saw that article it was in fortune magazine as august 25th 2015 so really recently and there's a start up company called module metal. And they are growing high performance medals using us yes electricity and nanotechnology and its cheap and its efficient and effective and actually asked bob lazar about this process because It dawned on me this is exactly what bob was saying in nineteen eighty nine that it looked like an injection mold maybe it was grown or something that the scrap. Did you work done and his exact quote is, this is quite possibly exactly how the craft structure was formed and i think its potentially a very important connection he said that on september third two thousand fifteen so essentially

35:04 In the long way around answering your question yes i've been exposed to some really badass technology and what I think is when you just read the media and you see how these meta materials that have never existed before have unique principles now we're being able to grow them metals. You know it, Leaps and bounds man. We are on the precipice Yeah, let's talk Bob Lazar a little bit I mean obviously a legend in this realm claimed to have been involved in the back engineering of an alien craft at the s4 base near Groom Lake He's been out there for over 25 years really as a whistleblower for this What are your thoughts on Bob and his story? It's kind of controversial

35:48 Yeah i think it's very controversial because you know you have inconsistencies you have deception you have people of high credibility protecting their previous statements just to save face, you have no people like george knapp for twenty five years knocking on doors cracking this case open never letting go. And you know it's amazing you know bob came out and told the story and. Sure there's a very human element to the story and bob is not a great open person so he has not remedy to lot of the bs that has gone around which easily could, but are you aware of the doctor crank interview recently put out i heard your talk about it on a previous show but i was gonna ask you about that as away to kinda backup public our story but yeah please let us know about crinkle. Yeah i mean

36:48 My thing was not just to backup was our story i thought it was amazing and actually went into meet you know john lear george now but i just thought it was gonna be these guys just messing with everybody honestly i didn't. Have an opinion i just was you know there seem to be so much chaos around the story that. I had deep skepticism and i don't even know where to start with the last story just essentially that we're standing now, that's kind of what i think is important i've looked into this case probably more than anybody other than you know george nap

37:24 And he has, again been my mentor through everything. It's pretty unbelievable what he has done that people just don't even understand how much he is committed to investigating the unexplained rather than explaining the uninvestigated as he likes to say But with the Lazar case I no longer have the luxury of disbelief Lazar I am. I am now at a point where I will say straightforward, I believe Bob Lazar I believe his story entirely and I believe he worked at s4 I believe you worked on what he said He worked on if these guys were trying to pull an elaborate hoax trust me. I would know by now And so yeah the dr. Kringle interview

38:15 People like stan freeman he holds a huge respect in the ufo world he's done some great things right but his consistently you know slam blizzard being a fraud and a con man which two words which i. I would say require some definition if he's gonna sam right right, and essentially you know there is a guy with great respect and and i was thrown up on stage to have a in quotes debate i had no idea it was going to have to end You know these words keep coming up and it starts kind of aggravating me because you know this is not the crux of his story the crux of history he back engineered alien spacecraft not of this earth at a sub base of area 51 called s4.

38:56 no one was able to verify you know on camera on audio that they were there at even los alamos with bob lazar yet i know george knapp has talked many people off the record who worked in los alamos george not brought forward bob's name and the phone directory. George Knapp was gonna get all of Bob's file. They admitted that he worked at Los Alamos, but then they pulled it back in and they didn't give him you know all the proof that he would need I happen to know George Knapp even has video of walking around with Bob inside Los Alamos while showing him around. Wow! Yeah i've known...I've seen it

39:39 I've known dozens of people, you know that have confirmed that but no one on the record because they don't want to break the mold. They don't want to commit professional suicide so and 25 years later... I mean Bob doesn't even really try to push this because he'd rather be left alone with all this But here's this guy Dr Robert Krangel He's an Albuquerque based scientist He reports of his doctorate from MIT from 1973 in semiconductor physics. He's been an engineering consultant at Sandia Labs, Los Alamos since the 80s. He still works there from time to time he verified and showed me his credentials from his work at White Sands China Lake And even contracts that were distributed by Homeland Security So this is a real scientist bonafide

40:34 Tells me the story of working at los alamos in the eighties. With bob the nuclear physicist in quotes and he said that we all knew bob, we all knew he committed professional suicide when you spoke out about what was working for him for the military and she made it abundantly clear that he wasn't security briefings with liz are at los alamos and lazar was a physicist And this the first person to go on record. The first person so what that proves is lizards works at los alamos so people like stan can no longer say he was probably the janitor right i'd heard that argument and

41:21 I guess, yeah. The major issue the thing that seems to be the big thorn in the side of this story revolves around the records or at least that's what people are making it about he has no IDs or cards from MIT or Caltech the school that he says he went to but you know i fully believe that the shadow state can erase a person's records and if I had to prove that I went to Mizzou with documents that I have my possession now I might actually struggle because I don't hold on to stuff like that But has this issue of the records ever really bothered you? Yeah, well there's a difference between the records and the claimed education. The records have never been an issue we already know that I mean this is something that like why would I ever say this but I mean I talked to the medical staff at

42:09 Los alamos one of the medical staff and you know was verified that he knows our house is whole medical charts i've never publicly said that all these little bread crumbs near the records that he worked at los alamos we have the records you know now the question is did he then work add us for this sub base and get into that why. You know what he said has been kind of you know trickle down and verified over all this time but you don't the records haven't been the problem, the education is what people have a problem with no bob claimed certain things like a degree from my team blah blah.

42:46 Dr krang actually said in the interview well you know i said why isn't there a yearbook photo of bob lazar at m.i.t during that time he goes well if he was doing kind of graduate work when he would if he wasn't just like class of nineteen eighty whatever it was he wouldn't be in your book but i've never followed that path of logic as being important Let's pretend the worst let's pretend Bob was are completely lied about all of his Educational credentials and he was homeschooled. Okay, let's put this push it there He was home school

43:25 What difference does that make about flying saucers i mean you could say well he lied about that if he did well okay but he didn't back work at los alamos on within the mason facility with the particle accelerator the guy had a particle accelerator in his own living room when he was living in Las Vegas. He built another one out in Albuquerque, New Mexico and he lived there. I mean the guy is a scientist to the highest degree with current scientific contracts from everyone from the Navy to a number of other agencies. So Bob's a scientist. Bob worked at technical capacity Los Alamos

44:05 I don't feel that if other people couldn't uncover the education stuff, what good am i going to do there? I want to focus and keep my eye on the prize. Did Bob back engineer alien spacecraft at a sub-base of Area 51? That's what fascinates me. Let's try to uncover that! Yeah, good point. That is kind of the only thing that really matters in this story but you mentioned element 115 I've of course heard of this before but some people might not have talked to us a little bit about element 115 Bob claimed it was the fuel for the UFO's But also he talked about this 25 years ago but there were some mainstream scientific revelations about it just like a year or something if I'm no mistaken right?

44:53 Yeah number years ago there so essentially just back it up and make it really simple for people that you know don't have access to the internet right now should be typing this in okay. Element 115 is a theorized element super heavy element at no surprise not like no bob made it out of one fifteen is this uh... It was always theorized that it could exist but our supernova never created in any abundance that we can detect and so it was never on our periodic charter table. But we figured one day maybe would be able to fabricate over months and months and millions of dollars in a particle accelerator, maybe a few atoms of it that would last most likely milliseconds because if its half-life right. So it's this kind of like funny element and it kinda had a blank spot on the periodic table so in 1989 Bob Lazar tell us his story

45:52 And part of his story hinges around, like what you said the fuel source. What you would put in the gravity amplifier and or the antimatter reactor that would then engage the gravity amplifiers which is how you traverse space time without any g-force issues so This piece of alleged element one fifteen became kind of the argumentative point because you have other nuclear physicist who say, well they half life of one fifteen is so minuscule that you can never have a substantial amount to work with and bob was claiming that there was at least.

46:36 one stabilized piece or a few that he worked with, but that he was told there were 500 pounds of this. Maybe the size of like a washing machine basket or something you know? Of 115. So that the scientific community can kind of jump on this and say well there's no way. The isotopes will not stabilize and you cannot have this But there is the theorized island of stability where element 115 could be stabilized. Now, this again is theoretical but you were right a number of years ago there were scientists that did this process and they bombarded

47:24 in a particle accelerator and were able to manifest like, you know, a few atoms of this which quickly deteriorated into nothing. So this is like the number one thing that people fight with when it comes to Lazar's 115 argument The thing that people forget is that Lazar never claimed that we made the 115. He didn't even claim really how he knows that we had it, he was just briefly told that we have 500 pounds of it to kind of work with so the theory would be that it was harvested from somewhere else maybe where it was naturally occurring from another supernova or something like that

48:05 So that's the story of the 115. I kind of botched the, i'm not a scientist obviously, im an investigative journalist but uh... that is what people should look up. The element 115 island of stability they should look at half-life and see why people are all up in arms about it. Yeah its interesting saga for sure mean a lot of it does hinge on that that 115 but I guess another thing im curious about saying that they might have 500 pounds of this stuff and they might not have made it, they might have harnessed it. But I'm wondering if perhaps it was even given? There are a lot of rumors about partnerships between sectors of the government and ET races one of the big speculations is in exchange for technology for the ability to run a certain number of abductions that's come up a lot

48:55 I'm curious what your thoughts are about a partnership versus everything that we have being gathered from crashes or recovered from incidents. Do you think there's any real sustained communication or do you think we're kind of in the dark just trying to piece things together as we find them? Yeah, it's a fascinating question and just to reiterate its not he said we harvested it... sorry its not that he said we harnessed it maybe it was harvested so If element 115 this stabilized element 115 isotope that's the word you know if it has the right ice top accommodation theorize they can be stabilized i was looking for earlier so essentially. Yes we did have this significant amount of stabilize element one fifteen,

49:44 Bob himself theorized that it must have been harvested from somewhere else. And if it was harvested from somewhere else, maybe where is naturally occurring in another supernova Then it must have been brought here as cargo, and if was brought here as cargo I mean most likely we didn't shoot down some advanced Technological machine. I mean it's possible. I guess but it seemed to me if we did actually have nine of these craft and hangers that look like right off the factory line, that somehow they were exchanged or given to us. And I can make that assumption maybe with this 115 if it does exist in the form and way in which its described so is there a program of relation between humanity and non-humans thats been going on for some time

50:37 Is it part of our government or even a sub government within our government your guest buddy is as good as my i don't know but you know all arrows point to there's gotta be some sort. of communication for us to have this kind of vast amount of technology from another world. That alone is the reason why, one of the reasons why Bob Lazar felt he had to come out was that fact alone that we have technological craft from another star system from other beings you know? That is something people should be able to know

51:20 Interestingly enough when we're talking about the idea of You know is there an exchange program you know is their information out there that's being guarded about this program it makes you think of gary mckinnon, yes but yeah and as a whistleblower the you know the things that he brought forward about non terrestrial officers in the idea of cargo ships and transport listen i mean. He knew where to look it's pretty that's a pretty amazing story and that brings us into snowed in his recent comments did you happen to hear about is that extraterrestrial encryption comments i saw the headlines didn't dig too much into their but tell us what he said.

52:12 Okay, well why this is fascinating is because I think he really put you know stepped in crap accidentally here. I don't think He meant this to be picked up like this but September 18 2015 he was on Neil deGrasse Tyson's show the hosts called start star talk and I think it's a podcast and You know Snowden said And I actually have the quotes as interesting Basically he's talking about extra trust encryption and how we might not be able to determine signals because any advances idea ends up using encryption systems that look like you know garbage if you just looking at him so we could miss it kinda like the for me paradox

52:54 The Fermi paradox is essentially the assumed contradiction between the high estimates and probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations and the cosmic silence. Like, where are all these school buses from another planet showing kids Earth? Right? So that was the Fermi paradox. Snowden's comments which i just got a radio ready to you so if you have an alien civilization trying to listen for other civilizations, Or our civilization trying to listen for aliens there's only one small period in the development of their society when all of their communication will be sent via the most primitive and most unprotected means because you know we're talking to a security expert here.

53:46 He continues he says so when we think about everything that were hearing through our satellites or everything That they're hearing from other civilization if there are indeed aliens out there. He adds and All of their communications are encrypted by default. So what we are hearing, it's actually an alien television show or a phone call is indistinguishable to us from cosmic microwave background radiation." That was his exact quote Yeah, and like what I thought was so fascinating about that is you know he's essentially saying there's this brief moment in a civilizations time where we'll be able to pick stuff up because encryption will just become an everyday thing. And it will be indistinguishable from background microwave cosmic radiation It made me think that

54:46 There people have your eyes that miss snowden leaks that there's gonna be some ufo stuff i think it is. Total total bs the nsa systems that snowed in had access to, add is kinda like the internal intelligence internet of sorts what was really low level if you think about it in a snowden with the system analyst cyber strategist He was not the overlord of the black project empire you know right so because of compartmentalization and function of the NSA snowed in and his releases were just scraping the surface i there will be no.

55:28 UFO disclosure documents within whatever he had to release in my personal opinion but it was cool that he said anything about the issue right yeah it's always great to hear anyone in the mainstream say anything about it i know recently. gotta clinton was on one of the late night talk shows and he said something everybody pounds on it is like one sentence or something about the possibility that he sent. One of his guys to go look into it and i mean i know all our mouths are watering we want to hear ex presidents current president anyone in positions of authority or

56:08 positions of having special access to knowledge. We want to hear them even talk about it, anything! You know and it is crazy that someone says one thing and that gets talked about for the next two decades In fact though the Clinton thing was interesting And here's why. I agree with everything you just said, but Clinton was an interesting president in that he actually did one of his first things he did in his presidency was he sent one of his primary aides to go get information on Area 51 and about it. He has interest in ETs and he was denied access. This is what is so

56:54 Astounding I think to people it was to me It was mind-boggling that the president of the United States does not have necessarily they might have the level of you know security level But they but they don't necessarily have the need To know so presidents such as Clinton Have been denied access to fundamental things like area 51 right? I mean It makes sense. They're there for eight years max, but it's just it was astounding when I first kind of grasped that that there are people within government who will sustain their roles far beyond that of the President of the United States and if they have power to even tell the president that they may have clearance but they don't have the need to know. Yeah

57:49 I'm with you there. Another thing about Clinton that's really interesting, see i know what your thoughts are well have a good idea of what your thoughts are about the moon landing and this isn't necessarily about the moon landing hoax but this is an interesting quote from Bill Clinton's book he said just a month before Apollo 11 walked on the Moon an old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened I said, sure. I saw it on television. He disagreed. He said that he didn't believe it for a minute and that them television fellers could make things look real that weren't back then. I thought he was a crank during my eight years in Washington. I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time." That's a pretty cryptic statement to come from a president. That's bold there's no need to write that in the book you know? Yeah, I don't think is cryptic at all. I think what he's saying is you should doubt

58:40 Everything and you should doubt things even such as the moon landing in that was a kind of problematic thing for me when i went out to go spend a few days filming with doctor edgar mitchell no this six allegedly expanded to walk on the moon now you know i've never really made a statement on this artist, be clear im not although i find it fascinating. I'm not one of those people who is like we never went to the moon like a lot of my friends are You know i think we have the technology to do so at the time i think there were huge programs of people that work you know dedicated to it. But at the same time i highly highly doubt what was broadcast to the american public,

59:26 where the actual missions and the reason for that is his warfare i mean my background in jiu-jitsu tells me you know if your gonna win a war battle. You know a lot of it is perception you know it's someone afraid to fight you its way better for you than if somebody has no fear things are gonna crash you right so, Essentially with you know the moon landing stuff it's fascinating, it's outside of my scope of expertise and knowledge. But at the same time if I were doing what I would do is I would not risk a public broadcast

1:00:09 error in the space suit of one of our hero astronauts when the entire space race was based around a war of ideals. It was a psychological war more than anything, and then the possibility that they would just die on live TV? No! What I would do is I would do my missions if that was important and then I would show the public footage to make them understand that we won. Right, yeah I mean especially decades before the internet had be really risky to try and do that type of broadcasts...I guess i'm kinda with you there..i think that the footage seems manipulated whether or not there's a real mission behind that footage I mean thats impossible to say because we have nothing to look at and judge you know? You can judge the footage

1:01:01 and see if you see some things in it that seem odd, like there being no impact crater underneath the module or there being no tracks near the rover. I mean those things are interesting. There also seems to be some duplicate backgrounds if you put the ridges, the mountainous ridges up against each other. So that stuff could all be on a sound stage and that doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't a real moon mission. You know? I'm with ya' there! And I guess it's about winding down time. Jeremy, this has been awesome again great work is there anything you're going to be working on next that you'd want to let the people know about?

1:01:37 Yeah, you know I'm always gentle with what i say is coming next because. I'll say one thing and then i'll get hit with this barrage of another story that breaks through but what else is just keep checking in to extraordinary beliefs dot com that's my website from there you can even sign up for mailing list and then you will be the first to know the Only thing i have on the docket right now is gonna be speaking at the two thousand sixteen international ufo congress and i will be doing in the first half of the lecture little update on some of my personal investigations and then the second half of the discussion my partner ruben langdon will be coming and we will be doing a.

1:02:21 Highlights from the citizen hearing and talking about what in our eyes they were and what impact profound impact. They've had to date nice Right on then very cool extraordinary beliefs calm is the website and there you have it Jeremy It's been a blast keep doing what you do out there and take care of yourself, man. It has thank you so much for having me on the show And I'm gonna continue tuning in and listen as you kind of go through Unearthing all of these things that you are on your shows. So thanks a lot ma'am Hey Thank You, and I'll be checking in with your movies too Okay, well send them to you man alright peace

1:03:00 And that is all she wrote people jeremy core bell big thanks to him i think it was a random tweet where listener said we should get together and that led me to check out his work and then we got the talking in here we are. He does have some fascinating short films out there no most of you will be familiar with names like john lear and bob lazare but its been awhile since i revisited these stories and this made for great way do talk about a lot of the big names, that have become staples of the alternative world all within one episode. And I'm not sure how I feel about the Bob Lazar story and his credibility, but I totally think similar things to a story have happened so...I guess it doesn't really matter too much either way Although Jeremy seems to have done his homework on it and doesn't seem to be one to go too far out on a limb without a reason So.. I do take that into consideration

1:03:48 I think a lot of the topics we talked about and the people are the ones who really got me into this stuff in the first place so it's fun and nostalgic to talk about but looking back on some of that i don't know what to thank. And now I'm way more interested in occult connections and the idea that these beings we hear the whispers about are more multi-dimensional, beings of consciousness rather than flesh and blood travelers from a distant star system. Cause this gets into what all the rituals are about and the twilight language and symbolism...I mean who knows maybe they have the technology to harness both or maybe were dealing with two different things Or maybe they're the inner earth survivors of the Younger Dryas impact period manipulating the surface world from depths below. I like to give all these possibilities a fair mulling over

1:04:34 Either way in the plus show today we talked about the subjects of some of jeremy's other films particularly one that focuses on dr roger leer and his experiences digging out creepy alien implants that's pretty wild, we also talk to about ufo summoners other technologies jeremy thoughts on crowing idea of holographic moon. And he also relates it telling anecdote about apollo astronaut edgar mitchell but again those moon landings I mean, it's clearly faked footage and both Jeremy and Chris Knowles make excellent and similar points saying that it is naive to think they'd give away their secrets and missions so blatantly. And out in the open but the real curious question... Is if we win at all?

1:05:15 I can't claim to know if there's a viable protection against the Van Allen radiation belt or if that is even a thing, but I am intrigued as hell by a lie that bold and love to hear a good case get made for it. Either way that is the fourth show of the month one more in the chamber But that means another Money Bomb winner, so those who participate in the donations also have a shot at getting half of the pie back in your pocket. I'll be picking someone probably tomorrow on the 29th and then I'll have the last show for you on the 30th Until then... That's it from me! Your move elusive entities of the other world! Your fricken move