Jay Weidner | Archon Crimes, Mysteries of Mt. Shasta, & The Brotherhood of Saturn

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Hallelujah, higher side chatters. What a day it is! Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and one of many quests we have here on THC is to try and hone in on exactly what are the supreme beings at the top of the pyramid of

01:04 A guest we have coming up in a few weeks, Gerald Clark. He thinks this otherworldly influence comes from the Anunnaki who are still running the show after engineering us so long ago based off what's been translated in the Sumerian tablets and then todays guest Jay Widenar who looks at the Nagahamadi text for indications of our reality and they describe the Archons as a form of non-physical multi dimensional parasite described in the text exactly how you'd describe a psychopath So, it's funny because we've been born into a system that rewards psychopathic behavior built by psychopaths. And one has to wonder if these nefarious folks are under the influence of something non-human? Whatever you call it... Demons, Archons, Anunnaki, aliens… I just can't imagine they would take occult rituals and sigil making and secrecy so seriously unless there was something there—some source of power that needed to be hidden away!

01:57 And then below them, who are the humans on the next rung? Well it gets a bit hairy when you try to pin it down because you'll hear people say its the Zionists and yes they wield alot of power. Elite Jewish families seem to have major grip on finance in Hollywood and global politics as a whole but I'm not convinced they're our only problem cause guys like Olaf Phillips had me convince that a Nazi presence may still exist somewhere in the shadows And when you look at a family like the Bush's it gets confusing because they're a German family who pushes the Zionist agenda. I think they've just been playing both sides and the Vatican obviously has a seat at the table, I think we might have a Game of Thrones situation where no one is really loyal to anyone but themselves and there's a lot of smiling and nodding while these men possessed just wait for a moment weakness to go in for the kill

02:43 But the point is, I guess the reason i'm rambling about the hierarchy of ruling factions Is that whether you're walking in the gardens of Vatican or looking into the symbolism of some of Earth's largest corporations. I would say even looking at groups that seem to be in conflict with each other If you snoop around long enough, I bet you can sniff out some coded references to Saturn We've looked at this before In an episode with Troy McLachlan And we talked to Mr Gates About his audio book Jupiteran Which talks about the symbolism of both Saturn and Jupiter And today's guest Jay Widener has also gone deep into the Saturnian cults that rule the world, largely because of his work into Stanley Kubrick and I'll let him explain the connection. But i wanted to give you a little bit context about the Archons and the Brotherhood of Saturn because we talk about some of this stuff in this episode as if it was given. My first show with Jay probably isn't fresh in everybody's mind

03:34 So it's good to get the gears working in that direction, and knowing that Jay's new movie takes place in a Mount Shasta setting and there is rich history of strangeness and paranormal activity there I think this show is pretty perfect blend for everyone. We've got deep level conspiracy stuff with little paranormal lore Mixed in to keep it kosher. So enough of my hazy commentary Let's just get down to business talking about false flags Georgia Guidestones, lumerians from Tilo Saturnian cults Lord of the Rings reality manipulation and a heck of a lot more with the man himself Jay Widenar Drink a little drink my friend Smirk a little smirk Cause it looks like Mr. Caldwell is studying our vision

04:21 We're diving down the rabbit hole, trying to relax. Alright people, we know the truth is a tricky thing and today we're going to try to chisel away at it with one of my favorite guests from last year Jay Widener who is a wealth of information on all things weird. A well-respected author filmmaker and hermetic scholar he's the man behind the wildly popular Kubrick's Odyssey documentary series in which a third installment is coming out very soon back for a second round of awesome The Man The Myth The Legend Jay welcome back to THC

04:56 Hey, it's great to be back. Yeah man I'm psyched thanks for doing it something that I've always respected about you is that you're very open about saying that your truth-seeking journey has always been very public and as the show host on these types of things I couldn't agree with you more sometimes I try to listen to a show from a couple years ago and I can't even stomach it because I sound so dumb but we're learning more and more all the time and I think we can both go a lot deeper than we might have been able to even a year ago so this should be pretty fun Well, I think there's some amazing thing going on in our... I don't know what you want to call it. The conspiracy community or whatever and that is we're all

05:34 Kind of coming to the same conclusions at the same time and so the conclusion we had a year ago is not the conclusion that we have now and so And we're refining everything that were looking at and seeing and So, you know I said right after Sandy hook. You know, I got on I think it was Jeff rents his program and i said you know we had to be careful people died at sandy hook well its two years later and guess what i don't think anybody died in san diego so no, i caution people to be careful but you know i was wrong i really now beginning the wonder if everything about sandy hook is just a fraud.

06:16 Well, you know that's interesting because that was something I wanted to get to with you because i know that You've been following it and looked at it very closely and we're far away from the event So I think a lot of the knee-jerk emotional responses have kind of subsided but having looked at this so much. Like he just said you don't think anyone died? That seems like more fringe conclusion Yeah, and I don't go towards that conclusion with any kind of glee. Even though I'm happy that no one died it's just that you know...I have other information which one day i'm going to drop about the whole Sandy Hook affair which is you know..i will drop soon the entire thing of it being Obama's 9-11

07:06 I will show why and how but not yet. I don't have my cards or a in a row again, but So eventually I will come out with something a bombshell about Sandy hook But I'm waiting because I'm hoping that Jim Fetzer and Wolfgang Halbig And somebody's other people can jam this thing loose so we can find out what was really going on now Yeah, yeah. It is a really creepy event to think that no one died Yes on one hand you got to be happy that no kids were killed but on the other hand there are some scary implications for the amount of power these people have and their ability to shape reality That's just as scary

07:44 even scarier and I don't think we can allow them to get away with it. I just don't, what Sandy Hook was was you know I thought i'd taken the red pill back in 1989 when I first got into this stuff 25 years ago and um...I was wrong! I didn't really take the red pill until January 2013 when I started going down the path of trying to figure out what happened at that school. And, you know, the first thing that I discovered in my journey after taking the gigantic huge basketball-sized red pill was that the news media

08:30 had been basically instructed to not cover Sandy Hook in any way shape or form, to ignore any real inquiry into it. And this comes from a post that's on the Columbia School of Journalism a well-known school that turns out Marxist journalists. And it was saying that, you know we should any inquiries into Sandy Hook should be ignored and I thought well that's not...I'm a journalist and that's not how i was educated to be a journalist We were supposed to ask questions and question power Not accept what power gave us so

09:11 I knew it in January 2013 that the entire system had been co-opted. And what happened after that, i think is actually probably the turn of most important turn of events in the entire conspiracy community because For months after Sandy Hook, from January until April we were all arguing with each other about the events and people on the very far end they just kept getting righter and righter. And it was really disconcerting because we're all after what you know...the facts of what happened and trying to collate all these things then you just start reaching the damning conclusion that is everybody in on it?

09:57 And then came the Boston bombing in April 2013. I gotta tell you, The Boston bombing is having looked at every available photograph over and over, examining them all over and over. I don't know it's even bigger fraud than Sandy Hook. Okay so then what happened is that a lot of people after April 2013 they went okay Okay, we just had two huge events and for all intents and purposes they look like they're theatrically staged events. I was watching the Boston bombing-I don't usually watch TV but for some reason on that day i decided to watch tv. I turned it on within 10 minutes the bombing had happened and the first thing...

10:54 special effects, physical special effects guy in the movie industry. And saw that second explosion going up and I went that's not an explosion! That's a movie effect because it has a certain...it has very white smoke and very intense orange color about its meant for visual. It is a way to make an explosion that harmless but looks really visual. Its trick we use movies And I got kind of worried at that point. But what happened in the conspiracy community at that point is a whole bunch of us went, okay we just had two events that appear to be frauds and both of them politically motivated one for gun control and one to see if they could lock down a city without any protests so

11:51 I and many, many other people began going backwards. We began back engineering reality we began looking at many events in the past and going way back in the past 20-30 years in the past And I can tell you that what we are discovering is that many of the events that we think are real in the last 40 years especially after World War II are fake. I mean completely fake! At this point, I'm not sure the Zodiac murders were true... ...I'm not sure the Manson murders really happened.... ....I'm not sure of a lot of things actually and the more i look what I've decided to do as I back engineer reality is I'm looking at

12:45 events going back in time and looking at events of what I've decided to do was look at Events where everybody's handsome, okay? Yeah is good-looking in the event. So Because the Tasner brothers were very handsome and all the girls went crazy over the younger one remember he's on the cover of Rolling Stone and all that bombing kid So I started going back and looking at either events that involved well-cast, handsome people. And I think that's the key. And so, I'm telling whoever is putting on these events could you start using ugly homeless looking people? Yeah where are all the fat people? I thought America was full of obese people! Everybody that you cast in your events is always really handsome and good-looking and all the kids are just darling... It's time to get real. Life does not look like a Hollywood movie guys

13:45 True and those two brothers that were apparently guilty I mean this is the of all the events that we've seen in recent years This one was the weirdest to me because the TV coverage was so sloppy It didn't seem to have nearly the polish of their typical narratives. It was kind of like okay We got these guys are guilty there was a little bit of a shootout, and let's just go Let's just move on to the next story where usually they glorify those people a little bit more But it seemed like Maybe there were too many holes in the story that if they covered it too much, it would come through. Well I think you're onto something there. When I went on Rents in January 2013 cautioning everybody to be careful about San Diego, I was then attacked by Salon.com who wrote a really nasty piece about me. Alex Seitzwald is the gentleman who wrote the article and

14:39 And it really upset me a lot. In fact, it's one of the impetuses for my journey of taking the giant red pill and I began wondering why I was being attacked and surreptitiously linked to every Whacked out conspiracy theory concerning Sandy hook. It was the way the article was written it would appeared that I Was progenating all of these wacky conspiracy theories including one that said the Jews did which is ridiculous so I began I realized this is the first time that I've been attacked and I wanted to find out why and that sent me down the trail well at that time in January February Sandy Hook was getting a lot of coverage

15:22 Alex Seitzwald was a guest on Anderson Cooper number of times and etc, etc. So then came the first round of counterattacks by us, by the good guys and these were pretty good counter arguments to the official story and asking a lot of really good questions. And for the first time, entire world was galvanized to find out what really happened at Sandy Hook, what really happened here? And thousands and thousands of people became unpaid investigators. It was truly—and still is truly one of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed."

16:07 Man, and being a filmmaker and film fan yourself. Just look at Wag the Dog! They show you right there how to stage a false flag attack. It's kind of crazy that movie comes off as comedy and none of these guys seem all that nefarious but it is way more enlightening than just in the past five years when you look at the events like wow that's the template right there. And I would point out that Dustin Hoffman played a film producer named Stanley who faked And then he dies. Well I have and i want to talk about that because that goes right in with everything else that we're talking about. Yeah well first off we don't know when but at some point someone got up on a ladder and cut a little niche into the english-speaking stone of The Georgia Guidestones now, I filmed uh At The Georgia Guidestones in 2000

17:17 2005 and 2006, and I went back for the History Channel in 2008. And the niche wasn't there. I've got my photographs so sometime after 2010 this niche...and you can't cut a niche into limestone without making a lot of noise! So this niche gets cut into the limestone on the English-speaking side. Interestingly enough there's a camera there so we should be able to go back see who cut Anyway, I didn't know the niche was cut. But suddenly in August late August this year somebody again with a ladder went up there and stuck a stone that had been carved perfectly to fit the niche and on the stone it said 2014

18:05 Now again, we should know who did this act of vandalism right? Because there's a camera there. You would think... Yeah well of course you have to and I'm sure the authorities and police are searching to find out who this person that did this is! I'm sure they're going through every single photograph and video they've got. Okay so anyway, so this stone is up there it causes huge sensation Everybody's freaking out because it does feel like they're about to do the calling or kill off, you know 6.5 million people and leave a world of 500 million right? And and the world does feel like that right now it feels Like something abou- is about to happen something big

18:48 I think everybody feels it. Yeah, okay so last Saturday they decided to take the stone down somebody did there's a YouTube and thank goodness the woman was there getting it on her cell phone camera we may never seen this so there's a state trooper there that's proof that they're definitely concerned when their investigating and there is a gentleman in red shirt who says he has been hired you know, keep the guide stones intact and you gotta wonder who's paying him if he is getting paid at all. Anyway, he has a big huge ladder and he crawls up and he pulls the stone off the niche and it brings it down. And we...and the woman fortunately cell phone camera in town in hand gets to all of the stone. We find out that there's not just two messages on this six-sided stone there are six messages one on each side

19:43 Get the stone right in front of the state trooper now that I know that state trooper is going to compensate. That stone is evidence for the vandalism that he's investigating, so I'm waiting to grab that stone and carefully put it on a towel and take it back so we can see where it was carved because you know you can start tracing do forensics on it right? True! Now that's not what happened. What happened was this guy with the red shirt who is very, very good mason I might add. Takes his masonry chisel and within about what 10 seconds or 15 seconds breaks up the entire stone but fortunately we got the cell phone camera footage and it's been uploaded so we have six sides we've got 20 and we've got 14 then we've got the word jam then we've got mmm and then we've got a 16 and an 8 all right that's what we have on this

20:41 stone that was carefully carved and inserted into the niche which appeared somehow. What does this mean? Right! What it means is this, a M-M means Master Mason That's the signature of the guy who made The Little Stone Okay? Okay Jam is a masonic term for placing a stone into an inch okay It's what he did He jammed it Alright put the gem, he put stone in the niche and he signed it with MM. So those two are the act and his signature so they're really not all that important but the numbers... The numbers are really important! So the numbers are 8 14 16 20. So what does it mean? Well 814 is the month of the year that the nichestone was put in place That explains up mm-hmm 2016

21:43 is now that are the most mysterious. So what is this saying? Well, that the Niche Stone has been placed right next to the 500 million number in English... ...is a very significant thing! And so what does it mean? Well, in my opinion The Master Mason has told us the time period of The Culling How long this period is going to be until they hit their goal of 500 million? I can think of no other reason doing this entire thing and I know And I think you probably do know also that this group Believes that if they tell people ahead of time what they're doing. They are somehow now Karmically free right Damage, it's about to be done in other words

22:44 It's up to us to see what they're saying to us and take matters into our own hands. Right, yeah. They're giving that one out and they do it all the time! All the time! Every single event they do, they foretell it whether its The Lone Gunman show that was broadcast in April 2001 telling about what was going to happen in September 2001 or any number of things. Sandy Hook in the Batman film on the map. So we know they do this and so they have done it, and they've done the ultimate, and they told us... And I think your listeners should consider what i'm telling them very soberly because somebody went to a great degree of expense and trouble put that stone there and that stone is now gone

23:41 And I believe that the person who built the Georgia Guidestones is the person who built that little odd niche stone. Right, and he is the master mason and He is giving us a for those who are aware and for those who pay attention? He's giving us a very very very important piece of data man That's fascinating. I really didn't know that about the other sides of the stone and I wonder if If we were even supposed to know or I wonder if well think we were. I think this woman who got the cell phone footage She just happened being in the right place at right time

24:23 And they took that stone apart so fast, I mean it wasn't even funny. To put it out that way, it's tough to say. I mean things get so hairy in this area that you just don't know what to believe anymore. Well, I would believe you on that except that does not explain why... Listen they cut that niche into the stone

25:01 uh into the slab at some point that's huge yeah can't begin to say how huge that is you you had to it had to be pre-planned and again um Just because we have the Lone Gunman series featuring the airplanes being directed by the Pentagon into the Twin Towers, and just because there are actors involved in these events doesn't mean that there isn't still a message. And I believe... what I believe is that—I'm just going to tell you what I believe. Sure

25:44 2008, I think it was 2008. I may be wrong on that. There was a meeting in New York called and it was Oprah Bill Gates Warren Buffett Ted Turner A bunch of luminaries got called into the secret meeting and according to the rumors on the internet They were told that the depopulation plan was Oprah was there too That the depopulation plan was about to begin Supposed to the rumors, Oprah got very upset at this news and they kind of were you know. Kind of patting her on the shoulder oh your so sensitive Oprah you know and Ted Turner was there he's one of the richest guys in Georgia and um he is also a Mason

26:33 And I had, when i was doing my film 2012 The Odyssey which came out in 2006. Which was the first major media piece on the Georgia Guidestones. I interviewed the editor of the local newspaper Elberton Georgia Newspaper and he told me that the stone guidestones were built by masons now that was the first time anyone had ever connected the mason's to the guide stones So, I believe that Ted Turner is R.C. Christian and that he built the Georgia Guidestone for many reasons to why we first off it's he's from Georgia. The Georgia guide stones are in the highest place in Georgia but he's also been a depopulation guy for years

27:25 encouraging depopulation and saying there's too many people, a super environmentalist and all that. And I believe that he got word that the event was starting and he made the stone and put it up there. Yeah, that is a super compelling narrative. It makes a lot of sense. It's very scary that would show up on the English speaking side. I wonder if similar stones will show up on the slabs of other cultures? Well, there's no niches in those stones. Yeah that's something to watch for! Yeah the niche appears... Look at your life! Why can't another stone go up on that niche? Man that's a fascinating narrative and I haven't heard anywhere else yet and i think it makes so much sense definitely not what i planned to start this thing with and i guess i mean that's definitely a little heavy but i was going to ask you

28:26 When I was getting prepped for the show in that classic synchronistic fashion, I learned that you recently also released a feature film that revolves around Mount Shasta. And I just so happen to be taking a trip through the Pacific Northwest next month and Mount Shasta is very high on my list of places that I want to see because there's so much mystery and paranormal lore surrounding that area. It's crazy! Uh, and I hoped we kind of could talk about that a little bit. Can you tell me about the movie or process of being there in that area? Yeah, the movie's called The Last Avatar. And it is coming out right now and we're putting it in theaters It'll be out on iTunes and Amazon everything soon enough And um...it's about the return of Kalki Avatar who was the tenth and last avatar incarnation of Vishnu Who comes back, prophesized to come back and destroy basically the Illuminati

29:22 So, and I was living just north of Shasta while I was coming up with the idea for my movie. And I got very interested in the lore of Mount Shasta started buying a lot of books down go down to Mount Shasta which is really an amazingly beautiful and powerful place on my dad and started to go down there and buying the books in the bookstores, reading about the Lemurians who were believed to have escaped disaster and live inside Mount Shasta. And there's supposedly a city called Tilos. Supposedly from time that white people have been settling in the area—and even before because Native Americans warned the white people

30:04 there were these beings that lived inside Mount Shasta. And then there's these reports, consistent reports from the people who lived there of this kind of tall very handsome people that are seen in town wearing odd clothing and frequently paying for things with gold you know buying like something that's worth, you know five bucks and paying it with a with some gold that's worth $300. And so these rumors are consistent there is a miner who said he accidentally fell into a pit on Mount Shasta and walked into a giant cavern It was filled with tons of minerals and actually mounted an expedition to go back and then he mysteriously disappeared There is so much

30:57 For this area that has almost no people in it, if there's this much smoke there has to be fire. And I started looking into it and decided for the sake of a fiction film... ...I would present a lot of this lore in the movie which I do! Man, yeah. It seems like a perfect backdrop for that kind of film. It's such an interesting place and it's so you know in a time when Hollywood has run out of ideas and is recycling everything under the sun there is a hotbed of interest that hasn't really been touched. Yeah exactly! And what I'm really grateful is we've been showing the film to focus groups see how they advertise for it what people like or don't

31:41 And they're coming back, you know 95% extremely positive. So I'm really happy and you know and i don't I don't pull any punches in the movie. I mean, I go for the juggler. I explain what's going on and who is running the place... What we have to do? I go into the archons. I go into everything! So you know it's a feature film Neil Donald Wallace who wrote Conversations with God plays Count St Germain Who has also been sighted on Mount Shasta several hundred times Right, that was another thing I was gonna ask you about the Saint-Germain character. Can you tell us a little bit about the legends and stories behind him showing up there? Well it's just really interesting because Count St Germain really truly lived It was rumored that he had been seen at different places in Europe for 300 years ongoing

32:40 And he never ate, he never drank wine and all he did was sit at the tables with the monarchs and kings because he was a very aristocratic man. He was a count! You would discuss things and he would imply that he was very very old. Then we'd have white powder which you would be seen occasionally taking So a lot of people thought he might be an immortal or at least a person who lived a long time and he certainly wanted people to think that. Well, what's interesting is that the rumors then said that Count Saint Germain had left Europe around the time of the American Revolution and gone to America because this was the place being prepared by the Brotherhood of Light for the Enlightenment

33:31 and he wanted to be there for it. Well, interestingly enough when you start reading the lore about Mont Shasta you find that the White Brotherhood is the name of the people who live inside Mont Shasta and they're these tall very pale skinned people that may or may not be remnants of a civilization that existed in America long, long time ago. And so starting in Like, I believe it was the 40s. Yeah the 40's! The rumors started that people were meeting this guy up in Mount Shasta who said he lived down underneath a mountain and that he would come out usually at night and uh... He said he was Count Saint Germain and that he was prepping the world for a grand awakening And so my movie Last Avatar is kind of the fictional version what he was saying

34:34 That's awesome. The stories are so interesting to me, the most compelling is that idea that there are people coming out and going to local shops with those old coins, old gold coins? Yeah! That just sounds so intense and interesting... Well that's from a LA Times article in 1938. You know it was a travel article in their travel section Man, did the fact of New York Times would write about that as really off-the-wall too They don't do it anymore, but yeah so UFO sightings Bigfoot sightings Odd angel sighting. It was amazing the kind of stuff So what I did was while i was filming and actually show this in the movie I discovered that all underneath the entire plateau Underneath Mount Shasta is these gigantic lava tubes

35:32 And I actually got into these lava tubes. And these lava tubes are huge! They're 20 to 70 feet in diameter, and they're round and they're hollow...and they run for miles And I realized that anything could be in these. Anything! And, and I started you know...I didn't get down there much because mostly I was filming It's pitch black in these things or you know it's...anything could be down there and how many layers of these lava tubes are there? We don't know. There might be 20-30 stories

36:11 of lava tubes crisscrossing all the way down going down a hundred miles even. So we don't know what's down there, we know that there are these lava tubes and anything could be living in these lava tubes but we don't know any more than that." Damn! Yeah I mean i've heard about those cryptid sightings and stuff too but the fact you've seen them first hand and described how big they are... That is definitely large enough for ship to fit through if there are UFOs coming in out of that area Absolutely. And again, you know the mountain is so huge that if you flattened it out it'd be like the size of some states and and it's very difficult to navigate and So there's only you know The set paths that people take when they're hiking up to the top of the mountain and then nobody ever really kind Of goes anywhere else on the mountains

37:02 And on the other side of the mountain, the eastern side man there's nothing. There is no farms, there is no ranches, there is nothing for hundreds and hundreds of miles Yeah, and another weird aspect is I have heard that there are people who've seen a large military presence there which describing when you describe how empty the area is it seems odd enough. And obviously a military presence is always going to make me a little suspicious Well, there is no military bases anywhere around but on that east side where there is nothing. No ranches, no farms nobody living, no roads except one road and guess what the name of that road is? Military Road! Wow Yeah So I'm suspecting there's an underground base right there too Man

37:58 I'm so happy to talk to someone who's actually been there because I hear people mentioning vortexes and changes of energy. Did you experience anything like that when you were there? It was, it was so powerful there that I actually decided to Chuck about half the scenes that originally planned a film at Shasta and I filmed them in Oregon just cause the vibe was so high that I just could not concentrate on making Wow, we're just like super vibe. See that's awesome because I You know obviously in the conspiracy world a lot of it has to do with energies and things that you can't see And I haven't had a lot of validation for myself in terms of energy and it would be awesome to go to a place like that and Experience something something intense like that to just get that validation Yeah A lot of people go there and they never leave

38:56 I know a lot of people that have done that. I mean, never leave once they're there they just never go anywhere. They're done. Is there is there a certain area where if someone was going in and seeking weirdness? Is there particular place or anything you would recommend they go to? There's...I forget the name of kind of New Age mystical bookstore but that's a very cool place and they have all the books One thing I did early on researching for the movie was, I went to the organic co-op store there. A very cool store and i put a note on the bulletin board with my phone number saying if you have any weird stories that you'd like to tell call this number! I got inundated...I mean I wish I've never done it. Had to get rid of my cell phone because it was just so many

39:46 phone call, so many people telling me their stories that at a certain point I just had to pull the plug on the whole thing. But I got a lot of good stuff for my movie out of it and that was good. Wow! Did any of those stories stick out to you as more compelling or memorable to you? Yeah there's odd similarity to the stories of usually single woman hiking somewhere up on the mountain Seeing a man, it's always a woman seeing a man and then the man walks up to her. And the man is again tall with really blue eyes and pale skin really handsome he just stares at him with his blue eyes for like 20 minutes then he walks away I heard this story from so many women i just didn't know what to say after awhile

40:46 And they said that as he approached them, they felt this tremendous almost sexual energy coming from this guy. But they never felt threatened by him at all and found they wish they could see him again and I couldn't figure out exactly what was even happening but that while while he was staring at them, they were paralyzed man there is one theme of the day would be be wary of handsome people That's so crazy. And this is going to get a little bit weird, but you hear these stories about Mount Shasta being somewhat mystical and energetically powerful and it's funny that a corporation would name a soda Shasta because I just heard this breakdown of 7UP where their logo is a red dot and you have seven chakras then seven chakras up

41:34 alluding to enlightenment, and in both cases it seems like they're trying to invoke the tone of some positive spiritual practice or magical spiritual place on their logo and marketing but they're essentially putting poison in the can. Yeah, you're exactly right. I wouldn't touch that stuff with a 10-foot pole! I wouldn't either but i'm kind of addicted to soda so it happens. So to switch gears a little bit here last time we talked a whole lot about Stanley Kubrick and how he very well might be the man who helped them stage the moon landing footage and that He might have been trying to tell us about some of this in his movies and it's super fascinating stuff. But what didn't come up was the Brotherhood of Saturn, and I've recently had a few guests who point out this vast symbolism of Saturn in our culture which shows these secret orders must be pretty powerful but there is also a Kubrick connection here too isn't there?

42:25 Oh yeah, oh yeah. Brotherhood of Saturn is endlessly fascinating! My good friend Troy McLachlan I'm going to be seeing him when i go to England next week looking really forward to meeting him for the first time and talking about the Brotherhood of Saturn with him I, um... my take on the Brotherhood of Saturn is a little bit different than Troy's because his is more of a scientific view although I have to say that his Tower of Babylon interpretation uh...is, I believe spot-on. But anyway

43:02 So I came across a book many, many years ago. And we're going to forget the author's name so forgive me you probably look it up on Amazon. It's called Fire and Ice and it's about the Brotherhood of Saturn or the real group called The Brotherhood of Saturn And what had happened is that some of the Brotherhood... The Brotherhood of Saturn was a secret society and some their material had gotten accidentally released. It was found, I think in a flea market or something in a file that was inside a briefcase being sold and the author of Fire & Ice got this material started reading it and decided to write a book about

43:49 And so I read this book and i hadn't read the book for years and years and years. And it was after i started doing my research on stanley kubrick in early two thousands that i reread the book got out of my library didn't know why i read it, i read it as i was reading the fire nice about brotherhood saturn i realized that look gold of the brotherhood satter Goal basic stated goal of what they wish to achieve was exactly represented in the movie 2001 space odyssey

44:32 They literally wanted to go to Saturn and redeem mankind, and make man into a god. And then come back and change the world which is exactly the plot of 2001 A Space Odyssey in The Book by Arthur C Clarke and Stanley Kubrick Stanley had to change the mission to going to Jupiter. He says because making the rings of Jupiter proved to be impossible for the special effects department I believe that actually he was told that he had to change it, because it was too obvious Also what I realized on my reread of Fire and Ice

45:22 was that the ritual of the Brotherhood of Saturn, the rituals that they used to achieve their goal was exactly revealed in Eyes Wide Shut. And then I knew that Stan Lee was probably a member and he had turned his back on them you might say by making Eyes Wide Shut Maybe he realized that their goals were not goals that he was in parallel with. And maybe why he built the big wall around his estate in St Albans, that may be why a lot of things are going on now. So I have reached conclusion that the bad guys, the people who did the Georgia Guidestones, do the people that are maybe starting to calling right now

46:25 The people who run the world. Just start looking at them and realize that first off, just like the Brotherhood of Saturn they had their origins in Germany all of them whether they're Nazis or Zionists or the Skull & Bones which has its origins in Germany All of these, may I suggest are not separate secret societies. They just appear to be separate secret societies and they're all part of an umbrella society called the Brotherhood of Saturn And they create these satellite secret societies as

47:10 as what we call flypaper to gather up people. In other words, your predilection you might be Catholic and so you want to join Opus Dei I might be Jewish and i wanna join the Mosad or the Zionists a German guy might be wanting to join but he'd rather joined skull-and-bones in other words there's many many doors into them all but the moral is Saturn death call And so I believe that

47:46 Everything going on today, especially in like the showbiz world of music industry movies. They're openly and blatantly declaring that they are the Brotherhood of Saturn there is no doubt everything from Katy Perry's Dark Horse video to Madonna at the Super Bowl too many movies that are out They're all about the brotherhood of Saturn. Sexualizing children, this is one of their goals. Saturn's goals is sexualizing children. Getting women to basically be whores is one of their primary goals. And destruction of family and the destruction of Christianity are their number 1 goal

48:38 They really, really hate Christianity. Which makes me rethink Christianity! Right I was just gonna say you know I have always kind of thought that Christianity itself or at least in its more modern form is mind control in itself the Vatican of course is guilty of a thousand crimes under the Sun but it is strange that they would be attacking something that I would think would be one of their satellite groups Yeah what I think is going on and I'm glad Well, you know because we know the Vatican is just covered with Saturnalia symbols. And so Rome itself was kind of obsessed with Saturn and all of that. Then we have J.R.R. Tolkien going down into the basement at Oxford reading all the medieval literature that only he could read because only he had the linguistic ability, and then in the early 30s he starts writing Lorde of the Rings which is

49:43 A book about how Spahn, who has an all-seeing eye is trying to take over the world by gathering up all the gold ring. And again, he's the Lord of the Rings just like Saturn is the Lord of the Rings. I think he knew about this Saturn death call and he was secretly telling us about it that's why he named it that knowing eventually there would be an allusion to Saturn Wow! Yeah Again think about it The ring gets heavier and heavier as Frodo gets closer

50:21 Saturn represents lead. That's the metal that it is associated with, right? Lead gets heavier and heavier. It is the heaviest of all the metals There's just too many strange allusions to Saturn and things in the Lord of the Rings for him not to have known about it. And I believe he knew a lot more than they let on. Oh yeah, I really think so too! Man, Jay fascinating as always huge pleasure talking with you. Uh...I know that you have that new installment on The Kubrick Film coming out soon can you give us a little bit about what that's going to expand on at all? Yeah, I'm gonna basically... contractually. I can't put out the film until six months after The Last Avatar comes out

51:07 And I keep waiting for the last Avatar to come out so that I can put out my other films. So it's kind of frustrating, but finally the last Avatar is now coming out so that I can start finishing it up. But basically I'm going to expand on some of the lunar stuff and show you. Seven different hollywood films which absolutely prove that hollywood knows that the moon landings were fake and that stanley cuban get there putting things in the movies to make fun of us and our own stupid. I'm also getting into the only person that Stanley Kubrick admired in Hollywood, Walt Disney. And i'm going to explain to you not only did Stanley Kubrick know why Walt Disney was so hated by Hollywood but we're gonna show that why Walt Disney was so hated and prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Stanley knew why an actually featured The Reason in one of his movies

52:11 Wow, that should be interesting because I know there are some conspiracy researchers who put a lot of blame on Walt Disney and Disney but i think that might have just come later with the Disney Corporation how they've bastardized it after Walt Disney died. Oh no the establishment has been after Walt Disney since well since he did his little deed which you'll have to wait until Fever Chalk 3 comes out but as soon as he pulled his little deed He was universally hated. Anybody in the conspiracy world who is ratting on Walt Disney as a bad guy, is going to have to use their words. I'm sorry you cut out right there anyone who's writing on Walt Disney is going to have to?

52:55 Eat their words. SacredMysteries.com has all my films including Last Avatar, JayWeidner.com has all my crazy articles which are for free and I'm actually programming on an online Netflix right now so you can check that out at GaiamTV.com That's G-A-I-M as in mother TV dot com I am producing all sorts of programming for them which i think you'll enjoy

53:39 Awesome man, well much appreciated. Keep fighting the good fight and take care of yourself out there! Alright Greg thanks for calling Damn people there it is Jay Widenar always a blast I love how i would throw out some ignorant amateur idea or theory and Jay would just be like No man I think its more like this And describe something that was way more fleshed out and way more detailed That's why im just the host But I don't think Im terrible at that And I try to go these weird places that some other shows dont go Do we really need to hear George Norris speaking to Linda Moulton Howell or Stephen Greer for the 20th time in open with, so do you really think there are aliens out there? Of course they do. They've been talking about it for only the last two decades let's go deeper! So that's what I try to do. I just want to get as weird as i can and explore these ideas on the fringe... Or on the outer limits as the old show would say

54:31 I hope you find what i do valuable enough and unique enough to support it for just $5 a month. That's all I ask, one 5 dollar tip per month and if everyone does that I can survive and keep this train right on schedule! So it's just a small token of appreciation and collectively, it can be enough. But it takes a lot of $5 bills to add up something to live on so please people chip in and help me out and I'll help you out with longer shows This one in particular well... Well I guess there have been several of the two hours that I think are a real shame for someone to miss, but I loved Olly Demingard talking about Bob Marley and Whitney Houston. I love David Blum in The Alcohol Conspiracy, Olav in The Secret Space Program... really all of them! But man if you are a film fan, I asked Jay being a filmmaker about a couple of today's big directors Christopher Nolan and James Cameron

55:26 I'm so glad I did because Jay's breakdown of James Cameron's career and his movies, and exposure of some of the elite's plans & technology was really interesting. I really don't want anybody to miss that, but that's really on you! So i hope you sign up and I hope the plus members that are hearing this agree with me that they're probably looking at James Cameron a little bit differently now And there is other good stuff too but I really thought THAT was gold because im a movie geek on the side. I also wanted to mention something Im sure we've pretty much figured out by now But I still get some confused emails so I have to mention it All the regular free shows are at TheHigherSideChats.com or available through many public feeds and YouTube

56:08 And the Plus shows are at TheHigherSideChatsPlus.com That's the first issue, but I also get a lot of people saying they can't find the second hour and I know that shows like Coast to Coast and Red Ice have everybody trained to expect two different files for Hour 1 & 2 But I thought about this long and hard before I launched Plus and I thought that wasn't the best way to do it Do you remember the first round of DVDs for long movies like Casino? Where we had to flip the disc halfway through or put in a second disc It is annoying, no one wants to have to do that. Besides you always have this waste of air time where you do a first hour wrap up and then tell me about your website and your books and that kills 5-8 minutes of the 60 minute hour! And it's in the middle of the show and then you do it again in the second hour... Nah I'd rather just have an extended show that goes straight through

56:55 So I realize it is a little bit hard to know. I tacked the same ending on both and cut it up pretty seamlessly, but the free show will always have a lengthy ad for the plus show before the intro starts from now on And if you're going to the right website It shouldn't be an issue at all so...I don't know why I'm making this so complicated Just go to the right domain. I thought it was a super simple system, but i guess its not always and the more people you're dealing with the more questions and confusion your going to run into and its just a numbers thing so if I don't get back to you right away I apologize im a one man show over here I book my own guests upload my own interviews answer all of my emails and facebook messages send out all of my own T-shirts

57:35 And if you've ever written me, I'm pretty sure 9 out of 10 of you would agree. I do write you back! But it's getting to be a bit hard to keep up so...I'm really going to be active on the plus comments first You guys are my bread and butter My inner circle I'm SO thankful for you Industry standard for these types of models is generally 3% participation will go on to paid. So we are doing better than that, which is great you know but I actually think we're a different beast too. I don't think we can be beholden to typical statistics with this kind of show So I'm very thankful on one hand that way more than the industry standard has been supportive of the show, but then I'm like 90% of people just hear the free show and don't go for the second hour. It bothers me! But enjoy what you got and be thankful that some people do pay for it because that allows you to have that free show

58:30 And maybe we can do a live Google Hangout or something soon if there's any interest in doing that with the Plus people. I don't know, people are pretty busy... What do they need to ask me? But it could be done! The only other thing I'd like to address is, I get asked about my agenda a lot and I don't have one. I want to ask interesting questions to interesting people. I don't think anything is really too taboo to explore a couple of times and I don't support any group or religion. I get asked if I'm a Christian or Zionist and I am nothing! I'm just an open minded stoner who loves exploring fringe stuff and drawn into fringe topics and taboo ideas

59:07 I've been accused of ignoring the white genocide or ignoring the Zionist agenda and spewing white guilt propaganda when I have a black guest or something. And I get it, people in the conspiracy community are going to be skeptical everyone's got an opinion some people are very emotional about them and they're going to be skeptical of me and this show. We're relatively new, we've grown a whole hell of a lot in just two-and-a-half years but we have talked about the quote holocaust hoax with Victor Thorne several months ago and I'm sure we'll explore it again but some people are just obsessed with it and it starts to get a little bit uncomfortable. I know Red Ice is really doubling down in this area and we have a lot of crossover fans

59:47 But as open as I am to any idea, i'm about trying to bring people together and i'm about acknowledging the sins of all cultures. So sometimes we take angle A and sometimes we look at angle B But something about Red Ice's direction really kind of turns me off. And I shouldn't be talking shit, but I just wanted to clarify because I am getting bombarded with these really racially charged emails and shit regarding who did what to whom and this apparent attack on the white man...and then-I just don't know. But division has always been a goal there so be careful that's all! Don't be divided and don't let yourself get that way. And be a little humble of other cultures you know?

1:00:26 That's all. And I don't always agree with what a guest has to say in a two-hour conversation, but i don't want to turn every conversation into a debate about capitalism or jews Everyone is walking their own path to truth and layers are revealed at different times for different people Like Jay said in the interview he thought he took the red pill back in the beginning back in the late 80s But shit! He didn't even really take that red pill until the late 2000s And I feel the same way. Every time I think I'm awakened to something, I'm like holy shit! I didn't see that sitting there... What the hell's wrong with me? I thought prohibition was about morals and some stupid shit. I had no idea it was about Rockefeller oil It makes total fucking sense what an idiot I am

1:01:09 But it is what it is. We're all on a journey and sometimes I have a guest who knows the shitload about American history and the propaganda behind it but also believes in literal Christianity Well, what am I gonna do to change the mind of a guy my dad's age? You should have already figured that shit out And it's not my job so we'll just gloss over it and stick to the common ground I brought you on this show for and I think I do a pretty good job of balancing that as best I can and It's a learning process but I don't have any agendas I don't try to get guests that really focus in on a typical worldview. I try to be pretty well-rounded and i think that my body of work and shows should really speak for itself

1:01:49 Wow, well I'm gonna get on with the day and stop bitching. I urge you to do the same! Most of you probably gave up 8 hours of your day today to some shitty job in another hour plus in traffic and as tempting it is to sink into the couch and be lazy until you have to do it again tomorrow... Stop and take a breath Think about your future Visualize your dream life And start working backwards You can see where you want to get and you damn well know where you are now It's just the middle ya have to figure out And that is one long and winding mural you're going to have to paint yourself, and can waste your whole life looking at a blank canvas if you're not careful. Don't be that guy. Paint something people! That's it for me this week I've done my part Your move handsome people of the world...your fucking move.

1:02:48 rooting for the home team as they're sent to the game and torn apart we twist this tourniquet upon the pipe that carries all the pain in the world. As we blindly clap and cheer from the sidelines it's clear on a losing streak from the very start, that's where she found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand Now I'm damned for the land of the free Sing with me Americans scream They tied that faded ribbon round that old tree And they've worn out all the hope in their hearts Long thought, I was doing the right thing

1:04:03 Now I'm lying in a pool of my blood And that's where she found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand now I'm damned for the land of the free Sing with me That's where she found me In the cemetery A smoking gun

1:04:40 And now I'm down for the land of the free Sing with me American Scream, American Scream And that's where she found me In a cemetery in Gungan And now I'm down for the land... Sing with me American Scream