Jason Bermas | Conspiracy News, Bohemian Club, & Isaac Kappy

00:06 Hi there and hello. It is a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and what a crazy time to be alive. Just getting through the day now requires wading through a full court press of propaganda hyping up the existential dangers of rogue AIs and Russian bioweapon plagues both on the loose now and headed straight for us. We have politicians and billionaires telegraphing and predictively programming us for the next big news cycle event. A strange systematic defense of child predators, space weapons and flock cameras to police the herd, greater Israel projects and lesser Key of Solomon spells, routine bombings of the defenseless, and an intentional tightening of the economic noose.

00:48 And sadly, it is all meant with a collective shoulder shrug from a public completely disconnected from the illusion of choice and the technocratic takeover of pretty much everything. But we can at least talk about it, right? And here to help us do just that is the conspiratorial counterculture content creator space longtime legend Jason Bermas. Of course, he's a talk show host and documentary filmmaker who helped bring us some of the greatest early internet conspiracy films that will ever be, including several that inspired yours truly, like Loose Change, Fabled Enemies, Invisible Empire, and Shade. You can find him on Rockfin, Rumble, and YouTube doing his thing as well as ever. And it's a true honor and a pleasure.

01:29 The preserver of punk rock politics, dedicated technocratic critic, and a pillar of honesty in the post-truth world. Jason, welcome to the higher side. Well, thank you for that very, very kind intro. And we are in a post-truth world, right? And that's not me saying it. That's not necessarily you saying it. That unfortunately is what some people call the elite. I call them the predator class. Kind of declared almost a decade ago. I believe it was at the 2017 Bilderberg Conference where the post-truth world was actually put the bullet point of agendas. And especially with the rise of artificial intelligence video in particular, we have more and more gone into that space.

02:12 I mean, how many times now when you are scrolling, say, through your X feed, do you see just a short video and you're not sure whether it's real or not? And one of the first or second comments on it is, hey, Grok, is this real? Right? Governor of truth. Yeah, you're going to Grok to find out whether or not this is even an artificial intelligence video. You know, I'll give you an example. I didn't use Grok, but I was just so unsure initially when we had this whole hijacking scenario going on the other day. When I saw a man in a bloody shirt and bloody pants shaking hands with Netanyahu fresh off the plane, I had to take a step back and I go, I'm like thinking to myself, is this real?

03:01 Right. Like, and then I saw that it wasn't just a photograph. It was an actual video. And even then, you know, you have to check. But obviously, when I saw that, I'm like, so you're telling me that Netanyahu just happened to be in Israel. No, I get it. It's his nation state, but the guy's constantly traveling. But his schedule, he's there, is clear enough where they can meet the hijacked plane that wasn't hijacked with this guy. And then the next day, you know, I read, because obviously, you know, when there are crimes and somebody's in a bloody shirt, you usually use that for evidence, right?

03:39 We got the shirt. It's his blood. Nope, I guess not. And apparently this guy who I believe is a plumber, he requested several times, can I change my clothes? And they told him no. No, it's good for the emotional effect on camera for sure. Yeah, exactly. And it's a weird world because obviously there's some pretty big holes in that story. Even, you know, American pilots that looked at the supposed flight data, if you're in a nosedive like that, I mean, I don't even know how you're moving. You're pinned to your chair if you're not going towards the ceiling. I've been, you know, I fly enough in the past 20 years in some rough turbulence and some pretty, you know, big dives on smaller planes.

04:24 And you're, I mean, first of all, your adrenaline kicks in like that because you're forced to. You have no control over the situation. And for you to be in that tailspin to kick in a door that's supposedly secured to wrestle a guy, a pilot who stabbed another pilot. And apparently that pilot shouldn't have even been flying that plane because of his ethnicity. The whole thing is super bizarre. It definitely does deserve more attention. And it just seems like that story is going to come and go. Even Trump, you know, as terrible as he's been this administration. administration, when he talked about it in the press, like in his office, he goes, Well, that's what

05:06 BD told me. I don't know if it's true or not. Damn right, you don't know whether it's true or not. It sounds like the most fantastical story I've ever heard of in my life. So, again, we're here. This is the post-truth world. And I tell people, look, you don't have to listen to me. What I like to do outside of the commentary, very much so, and this is why, you know, documentary films are really where I got my start, is show people the documentation, right? If I'm going to say it, I want you to read the article. I want you to look at the PDF file and the documentation, the white paper. I want you to see the news clip. I want to be a vehicle for this information. You know, Bill Gates, right now, for instance, is kind of on this. You know, you talked about rogue AIs.

05:48 I don't believe they're anything like that. That's not a real thing. They're not just like letting AI into the wild. And yet, there's this narrative now. I mean, Bill Gates goes out there and he says that it could be the vehicle to kill a billion people, right? Well, a lot of people aren't aware that last month he wrote this very, very long op-ed at gatesnotes.com. And I don't want people just to read the headline, read the whole thing. I think it's really important because it's two-thirds, three-quarters down the way where you really see what this whole piece is about. It's about building these new quote-unquote international institutions in parallel with the AI

06:31 and trying to put out this narrative to the public that somehow artificial intelligence isn't regulated enough in this country. And meanwhile, when people say something as asinine and ludicrous like that, they have no idea that all of these AIs have partnered with the Defense Department, the Department of War. Now, that's official, by the way. You can type that in. Every one of them has a genai.mil site. That's Gemini, that's Grok. And by the way, Grok is interfacing with the space weapons. So the latest array of satellites that are classified that have been put up by the Muskernuts with SpaceX and company.

07:16 It's a sequel to a thing called Blackjack developed by DARPA, and they're calling it Starshield. Okay. So Grok actually interfaces with Starshield. Microsoft's co-pilot is there. Claude is there. Gemini is there. And by the way, it's not just the Department of War they've partnered with. They've also partnered with the good people at the Gates Foundation. See, that's in his little diatribe. So these things are already militarized. Then, on top of that, if you are any type of an AI startup, not only a company, but a university as well, because as you know, a lot of, first of all, you create these plausible deniability circles through private organizations, contractors, and especially academia and the university

08:00 system. So if you want to work with cutting-edge AI hardware and software, you have to have what is known as a CAIO in your company. Full stop. This was an executive order by the Biden administration. It is rolled through the Trump administration. It's kind of being whispered. Every once in a while, you'll see a headline: hey, we've named our new CAIO. And everybody's like, what the hell is that? It is a person with a top secret clearance in the military-industrial complex so that at any moment, the Department of War, DARPA, the Department of Energy, they can audit what you're doing and tell you to stop or just take your technology away.

08:43 Okay. So every one of these things has a CAIO as they're pushing forward. And just like with the COVID-19 44 nightmare, a lot of people don't realize how DARPA/slash Department of Energy driven that whole program was, but it was right now, which they launched in the last two months, is something called the Genesis mission. Yeah. Another biblical reference, of course. Oh, yeah. And again, it really is that biblical reference because they are trying to create this new system out of the old systems and kind of relegate them.

09:21 And so this is a Department of Energy project. They're at the head. And again, people don't understand that significance, but the Department of Energy and their security clearances really go back to the World War II era when they took charge of the Manhattan Project. And the Manhattan Project was just so successful in the sense of compartmentalization. So you would have this system where so many people are working on a project, but the vast majority have no idea what's actually going on. By the way, it's not a top secret clearance if you get it from the Department of Energy. It's called a cue clearance, okay?

09:59 But it's on that same level. One of the things people don't know about with that cue clearance, which I think is incredibly important. And I don't know that they covered it in Oppenheimer, as they also didn't cover the fact that this project, like my, I remember after it came out, I'd visited one of my best high school friends. She was like valedictorian. You know, she, you know, graduated like magna cum laude out of Boston University, Boston College, not Boston University. She's really smart person, but smart in the sense that I saw it on the news, right? Like even the girl I went to the prom with, her sister ended up marrying a guy who's like one of the top guys at CNN, Ryan.

10:40 I forget what his last name is, but I used to be around him when he was like a local news anchor and he was a failed politician. He ran and didn't win, but now he's like a top guy. So they all buy into the Johnny Nonsense. And I go, yeah, I don't know if I'm going to catch that one. I go, did they, did they show you how it came out of the Bohemian Club? And they go, what? The Bohemian Club. And I'm like, yeah, the Bohemian Club out of the Bohemian Grove in California. I go, they have a club in San Francisco, and it was the S71 group that took Oppenheimer and other people in there. And that's how this started. And so right away, her eyebrow goes up and she's like, I know.

11:21 And then she looks it up and she's like, oh, yeah, I guess they did do that. That's even news to me. I didn't know Oppenheimer went to Bohemian Grove. Not Grove, the club in San Francisco. So the Grove is only two weeks. Actually, I did, I took a trip out there. It was actually with Infowars. And I have a, it's in Invisible Empire. So when you see me talking about the club, you can see the plaque on the outside in San Francisco, but I also zoom in and they've got like this seven-foot golden owl right in the walkway, obviously representing their deity and God, the owl. I mean, that's in their little annals or whatever. Yeah. So I was going to bring this up: the annals. I've seen you hold up the books.

12:02 Like you have these pretty rare books, The Annals of Bohemian Grove. It's a multi-volume official history of the Grove or the club published privately. And you have most of them, I understand. I'm curious if you've learned anything important from reading them that I wouldn't know. You know, it's interesting. First of all, you get a kind of insight into who they are. I would say this, you know, I became aware who their high priest was through the annals. Their high priest was a guy named George Bromley. And Bromley's a really interesting guy. So I have, just so, just to put the annals in perspective, you hear that and you think maybe like an annual yearbook, right? It is very much, they are very thick and like yearbooks, but they don't come out every year.

12:46 Instead, they come out like every couple decades, actually. So it's like there's a 15 to 25 year gap in a lot of them. And I have some that are over 100 years old. I think my oldest one is like from 1903. Okay. And I'm pretty sure that's the one that has Bromley in his like high priest outfit. So Bromley, actually, if you go back prior to the owl, okay, as the deity, as the mascot, you can find pictures of a giant Buddha statue and the Grove members in little druidic outfits like you see during the cremation of care. If you find those pictures, you'll see the person in the center with the big headdress. That is Uncle George Bromley.

13:29 So I was very interested in who this guy was. I looked him up. I found out that he had done an autobiography. It is called The Long Ago and The Later On. So again, I had fished out a bunch of these annals and I found his autobiography in a hardcover online. It's really interesting. The hardcover book of this, you can get it in red and blue. I think blue is the second print, but the cover is a boat shaped like the owl god. Okay. So it's this giant owl god boat. First of all, when I first got it, the book's over 100 years old as well.

14:05 I opened it up and in the cover was actually Bromley's obituary from a local San Francisco newspaper that somebody had cut out and taped in. Okay. And it was so faded that underneath like what was the original book and like everything else had that brown, you know, kind of tinge. And in it, the headline is: Bohemian Grove's best loved man dies, you know, and it's his obituary and it's how much he meant to the club. He brought the owl over, actually. Bromley is the guy that brought a lot of the Eastern mysticism. He actually took a trip out to China and picked up a lot of their kind of occult practices and brought brought them.

14:50 them over. And then he's the guy that brought in the owl deity and replaced the Buddha statue. So that's one thing I certainly learned from these. It's funny because, in that, it's tough for me to think of which one it is. It might be the art one because some of them have themes. For instance, there's two of them. They're back-to-back. One's the music of Bohemian Grove. And if you've got the actual thing, it comes in a case and it actually has a double CD. So you like actually have Walter Cronkite doing the cremation of care in audio. And then you get some of their little show tunes because they like to dress up and all this other stuff in there.

15:30 But I think it's in the art one where you see a lot of the paintings and sketches and things that have done it. They talk about how the people that are writing it, that essentially the Grove are kind of the middle class of this power structure. You know, these are the people that they're reaching out to. And that's very much what they are. You know, back in the day, when it was at the turn of the century in the Bromley era, there was about a little less than a thousand people. And a lot of them were artisans. You know, Mark Twain, they talk about that. And it gets taken over. And really, modern day, it's not a thousand, it's about 3,000 people that are members. But they very much bring in guests and always have, right? Like, that's one of the things you'll see in these annals.

16:12 Like, you'll see Clenn Eastwood there, right? You'll see some of the Holly Weirdos, at least in one or two photos. And you can find this picture online. Old man George Bush dressed up next to guys that look like spy versus spy with the traditional hats and the overcoats. And, you know, it's kind of a gag. Those type of things are very, very much in there. And look, I think it's the men's greatest resort or vacation. Back in the 70s, they actually let a journalist in there for the encampment. He wrote a whole book on it. Yes. I've got that as well, you know, in hardcover. So, you know, what's really enthralled me is not only the fact that you have a bunch of people that, at least in public, portray themselves as Christian conservatives, most of them right-wing, but not always.

17:02 You know, people like Robert Kennedy visited the Grove and he was a big Democrat, but also, remember, comes out of California, right? So they were always very close to the California politicians, Democrat or Republican. Willie Brown is another really, you know, good example. He would go all the time. The fact that you do have the Manhattan Project coming out of this club, the fact that Eisenhower had to sit down with these guys before he ran for the president, the fact that we have a picture of Nixon and Reagan, again, Reagan, the governor of California, very much encompassed with these people, right around the time that both of them were going to launch their political careers further and go for the presidency, et cetera.

17:43 That shows how powerful these people are. And even in the film Invisible Empire, off of one of the more modern annals, I show a picture of a political cartoonist. I think his last name is Frank. He's not alive anymore. But he's drawing this little cartoon where he's still thinking about himself in the cloak with the candle and basically his allegiances to the Grove, saying, Hey, before you kind of go out in the world and you talk about these things or you do these things, just remember that you're part of this club. And that means that you're part of this group, right?

18:22 And it's weaving spiders come not here. Yes, yes. They do not want what's actually going on in the club to get out to the rest of the world. And, you know, that is a mentality that's kind of maintained today. It's funny, even South Park this past week, its whole episode was basically about new billionaires going on podcasts and running their mouths and the old school billionaires being like, hey, shut your damn mouth. Shoot a good billionaire. Go on, Joe Rogan, and talk about peptides. Yeah, that seems to be like one of the major themes going on right now. And across the board, we were talking before we got started about alternative media.

19:05 There does seem to be like, even in the Predator class and the alternative media all across the board, there is like a turning of the wheel. And some people who were there before are getting phased out. And some are saying, hey, the way we had things going was actually not so bad. Let's preserve some of the ways that we had. And man, we're really off to the races. I just thought it was so cool that you have those books. I'm a big fan of old rare books. But in terms of other recent news, the latest thing that people are asking me to do a show on is this hyped up Russian plague thing. Now, I used to write off the bird flus and the swine flus as nothing. And then COVID happened.

19:44 happened. And obviously, there's varying degrees of what people think that was, but it definitely impacted your life more than the previous swine flus and SARS and all these stories that were just stories. So now people are wondering about this one. And I tend to lean on the esoteric clues. And man, we have a big one here. Taylor Swift dropped a song called Patient Zero on the same day the Russian lab broke the tube. Then this Patient Zero died on October 2nd, the same day the song hits number one. And September 25th is exactly six years, six months, and six days after March 19th, 2020, when the U.S.

20:26 began COVID lockdowns. I have to give the recent guest Jordan Crowder credit for putting that together. But this coordination, when I see these clues in pop culture, it makes me think this might be something that sticks around for a little while. What do you think? I don't know yet, but I'll say this. You know, when the corona thing started to happen, I was goofing on it in the beginning, like in January. And mostly because I lived through that era, you know, you talked about all those other types. You didn't mention the swine flu. And it was certainly during that 2010, 2011 era when the World Health Organization was at pandemic level four or something like that.

21:10 They had this whole thing. And a lot of people forget, but during the swine flu era, we were also being sold on this idea that we were going to have to take multiple shots. In fact, I think it was the Today Show and Meredith Vieira talking to one of the experts. And they're saying that she's like, two seems like a lot. You know, it's tough enough to get people doing one. How are you going to get people to do two, et cetera, et cetera? You know, I really believe that that was a test run to see how far they could take it in an era where we weren't all connected through the magic box. Really, the magic box globally enabled the COVID-19 44 nightmare in ways that people cannot imagine.

21:51 It's not just the track trace database aspect of it and the fact that you could use it for a QR code. It's really the way that people scroll through that box and you could propagate them through so many different outlets, methods, and platforms, right? So you're constantly bombarded by this stuff. Yes, you could get like the government, you know, and you get the little like readout on what was going on for sure. But being on X, Facebook, Instagram all had their varying degrees of the propaganda for it. And you were constantly not only being bombarded online, but other people in person.

22:31 Like the propaganda had worked on them. So it was a really new thing. I just want to throw this out too, not to interrupt you, but you know, you mentioned the vaccines with the swine flu and the multiple vaccines. Well, that's another red flag in this situation is I also saw a story that Israeli researchers are working on developing an mRNA vaccine for pneumonic plague. Now, why would they be working on a mRNA vaccine for a dead disease? Don't we have plenty of real problems to work on? I thought AI was going to cure cancer already, but they're working on the mnemonic plague. Like it seems like an odd one to work on. And then coincidentally, in one of these countries that we're supposed to be afraid of, before it was China, now it's Russia.

23:12 They dropped a vial. I don't know. And Taylor Swift, the old witch extraordinaire, is getting involved and making some kind of weird magic happen. So I don't know. By the time this goes out, we'll probably know how big a story it becomes. But something just tells me that it's not going to go away or they don't want it to. I think they try to see how much traction they can get with a thing. They've got all the data to look, but they pull the plug on things that people call too much bullshit on. But I think they're going to let this one run. I think they're going to hope that we get scared of it. And the plague is a big enough thing. I mean, Bill Gates for a while has been saying, COVID, you know, that was serious, but wait till the real serious one happens.

23:55 It's like, are you telegraphing something you already know is going to happen? I never want to hype up fear. I tend to be like, look, if you can't do much about it, then don't worry about it. And what will be will be. But it seems like this might be the start of a rollout that is at COVID level. Well, with COVID for sure, especially in retrospect, you know, I'm not a believer, number one, that it was, it was nothing, right? It was just the flu. I'm not a believer that viruses don't exist. I know that those things, you know, again, flooded the space in a lot of ways. You know, after looking at everything in retrospect and even looking at the evidence, and I had Andrew G.

24:37 Huff of EcoHealth Alliance on the program twice. actually got to meet him in person. I've got the truth about Wuhan, his book right next to me. And the bottom line is, it was in the United States in October of 2019 at the latest, if not September, probably September. Okay. Me and my family got the sickest we had ever been in November, ever in my lifetime. So again, this is even before the hype starts coming in in January when we are talking about the wet market and the Wuhan lab. What struck me about this, especially in retrospect, is

25:18 basically my sister and her kids were living below me and they all got terribly ill. And I remember my niece sitting in her bed and crying to me. She needed a hug. And I'm like, baby, I don't want to give you a hug because I'm going to get sick. But she's crying, you know, you know how it goes, right? Love conquers all, Jason. Love conquers all. So I do it, right? I give her the hug. You got to. And all of a sudden, you know, within a week, I'm not like deathly ill, but my lungs don't feel right. And I like the blunts. You know, I smoke a lot of blunts. And it's good for arthritis, too. I just turned 40. I thought to myself, okay, well, maybe my lung capacity is going a little bit.

26:01 You know, I'd been sick enough where I used to hack things up. Like that was normal in like the fall, winter time. But then I go to my local pizza shop, which the guy's like my second father. And I, you know, go there, shoot the shit all the time, sometimes go in early, roll dough with the guy, you know, be a part of it. Like this, this is like my space where I hang out in the morning, drinking coffee and, you know, being a little girl about things, right? And all of a sudden, I'm eating a piece of pizza and it's just mush in my mouth. And this is long before they tell you you're going to lose your taste, right? That wasn't on the radar till March, April of the following year. So we're talking about six months before that. And I spit it out.

26:43 I didn't even eat it. I couldn't believe it. So like for two full days, I had no taste in my mouth and it was the weirdest thing. Then it went away, but my lungs sure didn't clear up. And then I had a lot of issues, which took a long time to clear up with my prostate that I ended up getting prostatitis, to be honest with you, even though nobody listened to me. And I was actually worried about prostate cancer. And then you look at what the hate and live shots did, which are really just a concentrated form of the virus in itself, right? And there's all this evidence that what? It went directly to the male testicles, et cetera.

27:26 It went to the female ovaries other than the blood-brain barrier. So yeah, I really think that this was a bioweapon release purposely. If you remember, that was the worst flu season we'd had in the United States in a long time. Okay. And then they tell us the flu disappears the next year. When I say they, literally the World Health Organization said it was gone from the northern and then the southern hemisphere. Right. And that's why so many people think that, well, this was just the flu rebranded. I don't know about that either. And yes, I've interviewed the viruses, aren't real people. I mean, I don't want to do a post-mortem on COVID, really. Well, I think it's multiple things, right? It is multiple things. The number one thing is the fear.

28:08 Like you mentioned, you started with the phone, the controlling of the narrative, the fear, the hyping up of the data, the fudging of the numbers, all that stuff. We've been all over this, but I think we might be experiencing it again with this Russian plague thing. For sure. But think about this. For those that doubt that something was going on, remember, again, before they told us that COVID was here, there was also something going on with teenagers and people in their young 20s that they were being hospitalized with lung condition. Popcorn line. And they blamed it what? On the vaporized, well, no one stopped vaping.

28:44 I see them everywhere. You know what we don't hear about anymore is popcorn lump. So at that, again, right before this rollout, you got a bunch of literally 18 to 24-year-olds that are having respiratory issues that are being hospitalized. And even where I was in upstate New York, there was this kid. He's like 22 years old, bit of a partier, like the nose candy, worked out a lot, a little bit of a juice head. And he starts getting sick and he like really sick and he doesn't know what's going on. So he goes to the local hospital or whatever. They diagnose him with walking pneumonia.

29:25 All right. So they let him leave. They tell him he has walking pneumonia. And like, I think it was within 48 hours of the diagnosis. He's back in the hospital and he's in a coma. coma, right? This kid ended up in a coma for like two weeks. A lot of people didn't think he was going to make it. Comes out of it. This is all in the January, again, before it's supposed to be in the United States. And he, in retrospect, he's like, I'm patient zero. I don't think he was patient zero, but I think he was one of those early people that got the. And I remember being in that town, dude. It was, I remember just that flu season. I remember walking into my coffee shop and the cute girl that used to give me coffee, I'm rolling up to go pay, and she looked like death.

30:10 Like, I'm like, what are you doing here? You look awful. I got to be here. And like, there were just so many people getting sick in that era, and people completely forgot it. They went with the talking points. And you know, you talk about rebranding the flu. I think they absolutely did that, right? I never took a PCR test. I refused to because I think obviously there were the false positives, but there are other questions on what may have actually been going on with those tests. I think that's also a valid concern. Yeah. But if you're able to actually put this virus out and then reclassify anything as the flu as this, well, then you have a larger base for fear mongering.

30:52 Absolutely. A larger base for control. And quite frankly, a larger base to work on people. And I can't say it's healthcare with discredited medicines like Remdesivir and others while demonizing things that seem to work like Ivermectin. Yes. And I think they wanted to get a little bit further, though, also with the contact tracing and the vaccine passports. And thankfully they didn't. But we have to move on from going over COVID again because I know people are so sick of it and all the various angles and everything. But, you know, it was one of the defining stories of our lifetime. But another recent story we should talk about is this suicide, quote unquote, of Simon Andres.

31:37 Andres exposed evidence to U.S. and UK regulators, including the House Oversight Committee, linking Howard Luttnick to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. And he uncovered a 2018 email chain showing ongoing business discussions between Ludnick and Epstein, contradicting Ludnick's public assertions that he cut ties with Epstein years prior. Seems like it would be related. This thing popped up recently. People have been sending it to me. And it's a tale as old as time. You offend the predator class and you end up suiciding yourself. But I went through this guy's life and he actually has been a bit of a Boy Scout the whole time.

32:19 He first acted as a whistleblower internally in 2015, working with BGC partners and raised internal accounting and fraud concerns that escalated to the SEC. Then later he spoke with the FBI about some suspicions he had in 2020 and 2021 regarding Howard Ludnick's financial practices, not even related to Epstein. And then when all the files came out, he went through them and he found this email chain and he brought this up to the UK's Financial Conduct Authority and the FBI. And there's another aspect too. He was involved in, well, he got interviewed on the BBC and he was just kind of a fly in the ointment, a thorn in the side.

33:03 But it just seems like he got brought into like this upper class of like the banking elite, you know, the predator class, as you say. And he'd been a problem multiple times. I don't know if it just has to do with Howard Luttnick's thing, but yeah, it's just a tale as old as time. Whistleblower ends up killing himself for no reason whatsoever. And Whitney Webb recently was dropping hints that she's got a big story. She was commenting on these very suicide articles saying she's got a big story that takes the Epstein and Ludnick connection back to 9-11. I know in your recent coverage, you said that there is a kind of a gap in the coverage of Epstein's life right around 9-11.

33:44 Not his life, the files that they released. And remember, we've got 3 million plus pages now. And that's aside from God knows the video and photographs that they didn't release. And look, just really quickly, because I do want to get into Luttnick, because I made a mistake on Lutnick. And I think, you know, you have to own up to your mistakes. One of the things that's really interesting to me, you know, Whitney Webb was one of the first people to kind of put it into the forefront that Epstein was working with intelligence and had a blackmail scheme going. Well, there is one, one photograph in the entire tranche, which it is clear he has a pinhole camera at one of the dinners.

34:27 And Ahud Barak is there. Woody Allen is there. there. It appears that Bill Gates actually may be at that dinner too, but his back is turned to it. But, you know, the idea that he wasn't collecting surveillance, well, they mistakenly put out one of the photographs from the pinhole camera. I've covered it. Now, getting into Luttnick, I'll be honest, man, like I didn't want to believe that Luttnick was quote unquote as evil as other people had put out there. Obviously, Cantor Finzgerald and 9-11 and the fact that the vast majority of people died from Canter Fitzgerald and Howard Luttnick did not, supposedly taking his kids to school that day when that usually wasn't his shebango, is very suspect.

35:10 Now, during the beginning of the second administration, I had seen a lot of people bringing that up before the Epstein files came out. And I'd watched an interview with Luttnick post 9-11 because his brother died in the towers, right? His brother doesn't get out where he's like crying and he's talking about it. And I got a brother, man. You know, I could never do that to my brother. Like, and most people I think are that way. And you kind of have this normalcy bias that everybody has that type of relationship. Or even if you have a bad relationship with your brother, you wouldn't set him up to be murdered, right?

35:47 So he's sitting there bawling his eyes out and all this other stuff. And, you know, this is when the administration came in hot and it looked like maybe they were actually going to do something with Doge and the corruption. And maybe we were going to have a revamping of this like predatory, plausible deniability system that we have with organizations like USAID and the intelligence community and foreign nations. So I was like, I like Luttnick. I think he's all right. You know, like the policy seemed okay. And then as soon, you know, and I had seen Luttnick talk about the massage table and how he was in the apartment once with his wife. And we're getting out of here, right? Because he's gross.

36:30 Right. And I bought in to the Johnny nonsense. I didn't think somebody would lie that heavily with so much evidence to the contrary. Then the files come out and the dude is in shorts and like a Hawaiian t-shirt on the island with his kids. Yeah. And I'm like, oh my God. See, even I get things wrong. Sometimes it's worse than I think. And I just got to come clean about that. Like Luttnick is not a good person. It wasn't just that business relationship. And like you said, you go back to the 9-11 era. One of the things that we do know is that J. Edward Epstein, no relation to Jeffrey, who's like a longtime journalist and kind of like an Israeli media propagandist in the sense that when I did fish out some video of J.

37:24 Edward Epstein, the person who was putting together the shadow 9-11 commission and asked Elaine Maxwell to be a part of it, I found a video of him. I think it was on PBS's frontline, where there had just been an assassination in the Middle East in a hotel that was clearly the IDF and the Mossad. Like everybody on the panel except for J. Edward Epstein agreed. And then you look into it and it was 100% like it was admitted later. You know how they run the ops of, oh, there's some doubt and we don't really know. And then a year and a half go by and then it's like, oh, yeah, obviously it was the Massad. They had video of this, by the way, inside the hotel and they're showing it. So then I look into J.

38:03 Edward Epstein's past and he had been one of those guys kind of riding the fence on JFK and what happened there and whether or not it was an intelligence operation and went with most of the official story. But then also, I believe he wrote books on James Angleton, you know, somebody very much involved in the military industrial complex, the CIA, all that. And then I actually fished out the website from archive.org that he had built for his shadow 9-11 commission. And J. Edward Epstein had actually questioned some of the things regarding the hijackers and whether or not they had tried to train with crop dusters, some of the stories that maybe weren't making too much sense, but still going in line with the official version of 19 hijackers with box cutters, et cetera.

38:54 So he was a really interesting character. And to reach out to Glenn Maxwell to be part of this behind the scenes, and we don't know any of the other members, you know, I think that was a big issue. And, you know, Glene Maxwell, when you think about narrative management and the connections she might have, you really have to go to her father, who obviously we now know was a multi-level spy, not just Massad, not just British intelligence, but they've now done specials about the KGB. KGB. And he ran a media empire, right? Like this guy literally was the Rupert Murdoch of his day in the UK.

39:34 And him and Murdoch would kind of like butt heads too. You know, they were in competition with one another. People don't realize that it was, I believe, back in the, it was either late 80s or early 90s when it came out. Maxwell was still alive, actually, when it came out, this book called The Samson Option with Seymour Hirsch, that he was basically a mossad agent slash asset. So prior to that, Maxwell actually sued Hirsch. And if you look at the headlines from the mainstream media, even then, they were all discounting Hirsch, right? They were all taking the side of Maxwell and like Hirsch is a kook and he doesn't have any evidence and da-da-da-da-da.

40:16 Hirsch ends up winning in court after Maxwell dies. So basically, Maxwell never had to answer for the fact that he lost in court because he had had a heart attack and fallen off the Lady Ghelane. Yeah, as you do, as you do. So I wanted to throw something out that I didn't know until very recently, like yesterday. But in 1998, Jeffrey Epstein bought his New York mansion at 9 East 71st Street from Leslie Wexner. And around the same time, the next door building ownership went from Epstein through an entity called Comet Trust.

40:52 And also in 1998, ended up going to Howard Ludnick. So they were neighbors three years before 9-11 in New York with the addresses 9 and 11. That's pretty bizarre. So I wondered about the 71st Street. And my first thing to go on is always like, does it mean anything in Kabbalah? Because sometimes these things do. And turns out it does. And Kabbalah, the number 71, is deeply connected to spiritual and cosmic authority, leadership, and the completion of divine structures. The most prominent meaning of 71 in Jewish mysticism is the connection to Sanhedra or Sanhedrin, the supreme legal and spiritual tribunal in ancient Israel.

41:35 The Sanhedrin was made up of 71 sages, 70 elders plus Moses. In Kabbalah, this earthly court reflects a heavenly reality. The number 71 represents the complete structure needed to channel divine justice, wisdom, and discernment from the spiritual realms down to the physical world. I mean, we don't need that to be part of this weird story for the story to be interesting, but it is icing on the conspiracy cake. I mean, just the 9 and 11 as their addresses as neighbors is fucking weird to me. Well, I mean, one of the things that you didn't mention with the purchase of that initial Manhattan estate is that he got it for $10

42:17 from Les Wexner. Yeah. You know, a property that probably is in the realm of, you know, tens of, if not like $100 million in the middle of Manhattan today, which is ludicrous. And to speak to maybe the occult aspects of Epstein and his belief system, you know, on the island, he has that giant sundial, which is very much in the vein of tarot cards, right? So he's got that large sundial. Obviously, everybody's kind of pointed to that little like shack room right there where it's got the blue and the white and everybody's like, it's Ellen's set.

42:55 Who knows? Again, I get it. I get it. That's there. But he also has a ton of like different types of gargoyle type statues. And I got to do something really cool, probably in that same era where I think it was on that same trip that I was telling you about before where I had been outside of the Bohemian Club because we were, it was actually me and Rob Dew and another person named Jason that worked for InfoWars briefly. And we took this week-long trip and we decided to go to the Hearst Castle because we had a couple days. And William Randolph Hearst, you know, is credited with modern day propaganda, aka yellow journalism, right?

43:38 He's the guy, give me the pictures and I'll give you the story. In fact, Citizen Kane, which is, you know, one of the movies that it's on the number one list of greatest movies of all time, The Orson Welles picture, that was actually modeled after William Randolph Hearst and it kind of blackballed Orson Welles from the Holly Weirdos in a lot of senses because of the way he portrayed him in that light. I bring it up because this estate was massive. It's three different tours. I'd like to go back again and tape it, but just like Epstein Island, there are constant representations of gargoyles.

44:20 pagans, Pan in particular. I remember being out by the pool. There's this big pool, and by the pool was this, wasn't a statue of Pan, but it was like this large bust that looks almost like, you know, a graveyard site type thing with Pan on it. It's funny because later on, I would learn that Lady Gaga filmed one of her music videos, not only at Hearst Castle, but in particular in that pool where Pan was. So throughout, and by the way, there's little owl statues over at the Hearst Castle as well.

44:58 I was actually going through some of the footage I shot all those years ago on this crappy little handy cam that had like 15 frames a second back in the day before they were pretty prevalent. But it was one of those trips. Again, I love history, right? I like seeing things firsthand. And, you know, this guy had a large nature reserve. So he would only eat food that was actually sourced directly from the produce and the livestock there. When you go there, you're going up like this giant hill and you can actually see it on the bus, like all these nature reserves around it. So it really, and he lived at the top of the hill. Like, obviously, today, that isn't as big a deal.

45:38 But like back in like the late 1800s, early 1900s, when this family is being established, having the high ground was kind of like a security thing on top of everything. You know, if you did have enemies, it took them at least a while to get up there. And at least you could get your bearings and your security could take care of the issue. So there seems to be these very weird occult aspects throughout different variations of the power structures. And they seem to always love the demons, the gargoyles, like the occultic characters, the pans of the world, etc.

46:16 And I think that's something to look at, just like the Bohemian Grove. I think that you have to look at that historically because that's what the powerful seem to gravitate towards. Yes. And I was going to bring up a couple other stories that we could fold under the banner of Holly weirdos, Hollywood weirdos. Like, I like that. So one of them is this recent film Primetime about Chris Hansen. So they really did seem to make him out to be some kind of villain. I haven't seen it, but I've seen multiple reviews that all say that it's very weird framing of a guy who just wants to catch child abusers. And you picture what a director of such a film and such an angle might be.

46:58 And then you see this Lance Oppenheim guy. And it's like, oh, okay. Yeah. That's pretty much exactly what I thought he might look like. Pretty creepy little weasel dude. But then it goes a bit deeper. And the timeline is shaky, I will admit, because it takes a long time to make a film. But what are your thoughts on this take that the film is a response to Chris Hansen busting the police lieutenant from Washington, D.C. about a year ago in May, who was on the force for 23 years and served as Netanyahu's security escort when he was in D.C. Did you meet the Israeli leader? I'm sorry. I'm not answering any questions so I can speak to an attorney.

47:34 The thought is that Chris Hansen went from busting sad, autistic, chronically online losers to something a bit more systematic. And so they had to do a hit piece on him. And that's a lofty goal to do a hit piece on the guy who simply catches pedophiles. Like it's going to be something that people maybe scratch their head on. And they are, sure. But what do you think about that narrative? And not only just that, I mean, it is a fact that Chris Hansen busted this guy on the police force for 23 years in Washington, D.C. That should be a bigger story. Are these two things connected? I don't know, but that is a true fact.

48:14 But talk to us a little bit about your thoughts on this situation. Yeah, I don't think they're connected actually. So when I did the video, I actually showed Chris Hansen busting that gentleman because I got those same things when I first mentioned it. And this is why it's great to have like an aware audience, right? Don't get me wrong. I think, you know, you get bombarded by trolls, usually hiding behind avatars that are multiple sock accounts, right? But every once in a while, you do get something like, hey, someone brought that up to me, right? So I looked it up. And quite frankly, the timeframe doesn't fit. Not only is this guy a longtime DC police lieutenant, but he also ran private security for Israeli dignitaries, Netanyahu himself, and then presidential motorcades and people within the administration.

48:58 So he did high-level security outside of just being a DC police lieutenant, right? But then the bust itself, like you said, it doesn't, you know, I have a buddy. He's actually done some of the A-24 films, old roommate. He was the assistant director. Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, the one with Tom Hanks about Mr. Rogers. That's a little creepy, too, given what people think about Tom Hanks and he played Mr. Rogers. I think a lot of that is, again, I need the proof. Like, I could get into the, I knew Cappy, right? Like, so I talked to him on the phone. I interviewed him. There's an, I think, my, my interview is the best one.

49:36 I did it, did an hour-long interview with him. And, like, before he did kill himself, and I've watched the police body cam footage, he was gone, dude. I was talking to him on the phone, and he had believed things like, you know, John McCain, he's one of those, John McCain was in Gitmo, and they executed him. That's the kind of thing that Cappy 100% believed. And he was in with this guy named Vegan Mikey that was running this scam story about being abused via voodoo donuts and all these other things. And he got caught up with the wrong people, a person that I'm not even going to name their name, but a real scumbag who was intricate in a lot of the QA nonsense grifting.

50:18 And I've talked about him quite a bit before. And so I'm not even going to name it. He was one of those guys that was in my commentary over and over and over again, trying to start shit. And he would bait these people. Like, for instance, Robert Steele, you know, the ex, like, he got baited by this guy. Okay. And they were grifting for money. And basically, this individual would keep the DMs and he would keep the email exchanges where they were on the grift. And then at the right moment, when he wanted to screw this person over, he would blackmail them. And if they didn't go with the blackmail, he would put this out. He'd put out the DMs and whatever and show you the grift, right? What? Yes. He did this to Isaac Cappy.

51:00 He did this to Robert Steele, but he was involved with, he was setting up interviews with Isaac Cappy behind the scenes with people and using other surrogates. And this guy is just bad news brown all over the place. You know, off air, I'll give you his name so you can go and look into him. But he was intricate in a lot of that misinformation, disinformation. You think Isaac Cappy jumped off the bridge, killed himself just because he was maybe a tortured soul. He just had gone too far down the rabbit hole. I think that was part of it, but I think that he felt guilty because he realized that he had been had by this gentleman from what, and this is an internet rumor from behind the scenes.

51:43 And I don't know whether this is true, but you got to understand some of these trolls take it to another level and they get off on, you know, haha, we fooled you or haha, we're showing you this person's a bad person. There's a game called 23 where you guys put money, a bunch of trolls put money into a pool and see if they get somebody to kill themselves. And if that person kills themselves, they get that money. Okay. And I think that Cappy realized what had happened to him and that he had gone too far and that he was working with bad people like this vegan Mikey guy who seemed to also be on meth. I don't know if Cappy was taking any drugs or any of that stuff, but he certainly didn't look good at the very end.

52:26 And if you look at that last broadcast where he's talking, you could tell he's feeling guilty about the things that he's become a part of. And this even goes back to the origins of the QA nonsense story. And I can tell you that if you want it, like where it actually came from. Well, I believe a person can feel guilty for maybe painting with too broad of a brush, but it wasn't the bro. I think it was the money he was getting. They were taking money from people. Fair, fair. But a lot of people just like, if they feel guilty, they made a mistake, you correct the mistake. You don't jump off a bridge and kill yourself. But here also, you're not dealing with somebody that, again, John McCain, you know, had brain cancer.

53:07 Like, you remember that era where everybody. I'm not in the business of defending John fucking McCain. I don't care if he got brain cancer. He was still 80 years old. I'm just saying he wasn't in Guantanamo Bay by the white hats, you know, being juiced for information and then executed for his war crimes. And that's the type of thing that Cappy was believing. You know what I mean? He really, really believed those things. Like the white hats were there and they were going to save us. There's a lot of delusional stuff with the QA nonsense crowd. And there always was. Okay. And I think that, look, I've been around people that like really believe it, still believe it to this day, like, you know, popcorn and everything's a movie.

53:48 And I think Cappy was telling the truth about who he was hanging out with and the Seth Green story about chicken in particular, right? I think that's all real. In fact, years later, after his suicide, one of the people that he had talked about going to card games with in this group was Dane Cook. Okay. Yeah. And Dane Cook is in this picture, this group picture with Seth Green and Isaac Kappy at one of these parties. And the reason the picture got put out there by the media was that there's a 16-year-old girl in the picture.

54:24 And that 16-year-old girl ends up becoming Dane Cook's wife. So this girl that was at all these parties all those years ago as a young teenager, I think they got married when she was in her mid-20s years later. I think they got married like four or five years ago. So look, I think Cappy was very much a part of that. But I think from his firsthand experiences, he kind of got lost in like the internet milieu, right? Because he never had any first-hand knowledge. You mentioned Tom Hanks. That's kind of how we got here, right? Sure. He didn't have anything on Tom Hanks, right? But then they go to the Instagram stuff, and there's some weird posts.

55:04 And I remember the Mouthy Buddha videos and all that other stuff. And look, I don't know whether Tom Hanks is a great person or not. I do know that my buddy went to a hockey game with him while filming this and he was sitting next to Mario Lemieux and him, right? Like we went so far from Chris Hansen to this. We should come back to the handsome thing. I mean, two conspiracy guys, we have to be all over the map and have weird logic jumps. And that's just the way it goes. But I'm not even trying to go with the weird logic. I know. I know. That's me. I'm guilty. But what I'm saying is, like, there, we know that there are things where you look at smoke and you're never going to get the fire. It's just not within the realm of what we have access to because this stuff is protected behind the curtain.

55:49 I don't know. When I hear about the maybe this is something you would consider part of that QAnon adjacent weird linkage, but the Frazzle Drip video claims. I see animators who work for Adult Swim mocking this, actually making cartoons of a peeled face. I see people who work in law enforcement, two different examples of them giving on record testimony that they saw the tape and they're both deeply disturbed. There's one guy who's a little less credible, but then there's this like older Mexican woman, and she seems very credible. And she seems like something just strangled her soul. She seems like she saw something very dark, and that's kind of hard to fake, I think.

56:30 Then you have the Wilson thing, and the Wilson thing might be an exaggeration, but you know, Tom Hanks did leave the country around this time, is my understanding. Yeah, but again, he's all like he's gone from the remember, that was that era where everybody had an ankle bracelet on, right? Like they're well, yeah, that was bullshit. That was exactly. And again, that was something that Cappy truly believed. Like these people were, you know, they had the ankle bracelet and they were being looked into. I think that you can get detached enough from reality where you do things that are awful. And I think that's that's tough. I think you have to remain grounded. Like you mentioned the Frazzle Drip thing, right?

57:08 Now, I remember when that first hit and someone put out like a hoax video that was like two and a half minutes long that were supposedly like still frames from the Frazzle Drip video. And then I also remember there was like this lunatic broadcast where somebody had said they saw it and they had the video and they were going to upload it. It was just like this hour-long thing that never came to fruition. And I never saw the video, obviously. I've had people send me screenshots and they do look pretty disturbing. And I, again, I don't know. But I also look at these people. So the more we learn about Hollywood, the more it's like, oh, check another one, another one, another one, another one.

57:50 Dirty satanic creeps. Now, guilty by association is not a thing, but I look at these people who seem like they're so squeaky clean. Their image is almost transcendent. And I'm like, I think you got some darkness to you. And then I look at their kids because kids know they're raised in the house with these people. And if Tom Hanks is close to his public image, have you seen Tom Hanks' son? Chet? Yeah. This does not seem like a person who grew up in a healthy environment. We have the Rob Reiner story. You know, Rob Reiner's son kills him. And it's like, oh, well, this kid was just deranged.

58:30 Why do you think he was deranged? Why would he saw off his parents' head with a knife, both of them? You know, why is he basically mouth kissing his adult father who's mouth kissing his adult grandfather in public? Why are there pedophile jokes built into his roast about Rob Reiner caring so much about other people's kids and getting them in the van? Why are they making these jokes? You know, again, smoke, it's all smoke. There is no fire. I'm not trying to say I conclusively know, but when you have all these claims about Tom Hanks and he seems so squeaky. clean and he has to know what's going on to be that high up the Hollyweird ladder, and then you look at his son who seems damaged as fuck,

59:14 I don't know, man. First of all, despite that image, when you get to those levels in Hollywood, the vast majority of these people are not good parents. They don't have good relationships. They're sociopaths. There's this, I think it's called Seduced and Abandoned, a documentary about Alec Baldwin trying to get this old Marlon Brando movie remade with him as the star. And in it, he's kind of on this journey to get the money and he's meeting, you know, these investors and he's on boats. And he admits: listen, in order to be in this business, you have to be incredibly selfish. Like, he's 100% honest about it. He's like, you have to be incredibly selfish. I don't think

59:57 it's a coincidence that so many of these stars, like big level stars, end up having kids that want to cut off their genitals or take a bunch of drugs that are going to mess with their hormones because they're lashing out, right? They don't have a real dad and a real mom at home. So they're taking it to that next level where they see how they can get attention. They see what is in the social milieu where they're going to get the biggest amount of that attention that they're not getting from their family because their family isn't really like a real family, right? They're raised by their nanny who probably changes like five times during their life.

1:00:38 Dad probably fucked them. Who knows? Like, I think you're traumatized on a lot of levels. I think you have access to certain things, but no matter how much stuff you have access to, what we all want is a human relationship with our parents, right? We really, like, I think that's a really important coming from parents that were divorced and, you know, through broken home. Like, that's what you want. Like, at the end of the day, you, even as a kid, when you're moving into adulthood, you want that relationship with your parents, right? And you just see, I mean, like, afflex kid. I mean, again, to be that driven in Hollywood seems like you might be an absent father, Ben. You know, you look at everybody worshiping the musker nuts. He's got 20 plus kids.

1:01:22 He's not a father. Yeah. Clearly, you know your stuff. You know a lot about a lot. This was really fun. I mean, we went way off what I thought we would get into, but the Hollyweird stuff, I just, I guess I'm just a sucker for salacious stories that really don't have any bearing on my life whatsoever. But very interesting. You are an internet celebrity in my mind. Conspiracy royalty. I mean, he's here. We rolled out the red carpet. When you did Alex Jones' fourth hour about two months ago, you were calling for help to get your YouTube channel over 80K subscribers. You're at 79,600 right now. I hope our listeners can help push you over that line.

1:02:04 If they've ever done anything for me, do this. That'd be cool. Because we haven't, listen, we've been close and we just haven't been like, dude, we're talking years at this point, hanging at like the 78,000 and change. And it's very hard to get any kind of organic movement from their algorithm. The truth of the matter is that the most engagement that I get on any of these social media platforms comes from individual audiences like yourself, like the InfoWars audience, etc. So give me a shot, guys. Ring that bell. Go check it out. There's over 3,000 plus videos on a channel that I've had since 2007.

1:02:46 Maybe we'll do a 20th anniversary show when we hit that mark there. But look, I think that when you see my body of work, I don't get everything right. I think that I also have the humility to tell you when I don't. But the vast majority of the stuff that I've been covering the last 15, 20 years holds up and is still just as relevant today. Yeah. Well said. I mean, it must be hard to not get everything right. I don't know what that feels like, but well, people help him out because this work is tough. These little milestone wins do help keep people motivated.

1:03:21 It can be dark and depressing stuff. But outside of that, give people your links. Tell them where they can follow up on what you're doing and your regularly scheduled programming and any plans for maybe a new film if we're lucky to get one. Yeah, you know, I am working on an Epstein documentary based on the files. I got about 22 minutes of it done. I'm looking for it to be under the 90-minute mark. I don't know when we're going to get that done. I've been meaning to make a kind of crowdsource GoFundMe page for it and try to raise 20 grand. We'll see if that happens. But otherwise, all my other documentary films are still out there for free. You mentioned them before: Loose Change Final Cut, Fabled Enemies, and. Invisible Empire, and Shade the Motion Picture. They're all over on my YouTube, in my documentary films playlist.

1:04:05 And you even get a little a Nexium bonus. I covered that for some years, and I was at this very odd kind of forum on some of the victims of Nexium before Rani got convicted. So that's on there. But yeah, man, you can also follow me on X because, hey, I don't cover everything that I am interested in in video format. I try to put out five to 10 videos a week, and we're getting better and better. And now this is my main shebango again. You know, I've been really blessed. You know, during that second Trump run, there were certainly independent media that kind of sprouted up under that banner. And I had some paying gigs with patriot.tv, which doesn't really exist anymore, and today's news talk, which is now pulse.

1:04:50 And that was, hey, it's really nice getting a paycheck and not being told what to do and getting paid for your work. But that's over sauce. And I've been working on this International Center for 9-11 Justice paper that we're trying to get to the Senate. My role in that was very much outside of the physical anomalies. And instead of things like Operation Diamondback, Vulgar Betrayal, Abel Danger, the Israeli angle, which, by the way, it wasn't just urban moving systems. There were like five different moving systems spread throughout the East Coast that seemed to have their earmarks in there. So hopefully that's going to be in the public arena soon. But yeah, no, this is, we're back to YouTubing, man.

1:05:31 And I got to tell you, just to keep my head above water, you got to try to make three to six grand on YouTube. I'm not making that from YouTube money. That's why we got the little buy me a coffee links down below, etc. But I always tell people this: it's you guys. I can't be here without you guys. You know, I've got trolls in there telling me my career is over. I've been doing this 20 plus years. I plan to keep doing it another 20 plus. I'm not going anywhere. I don't rock gold chains. I don't drive Alexis. I buy everything outright. Like, you know, I'm very frugal.

1:06:06 But without, you know, my audience, I wouldn't be able to put my niece through, you know, travel volleyball, which costs me five grand a year, which has been very difficult the last couple of years. I'm not going to lie. So I appreciate it because at the end of the day, man, it's the human relationships we have. You know, I used to be really gung-ho on thinking that we were going to take our constitutional republic back during the 9-11 era. We were going to get the war criminals. It was going to happen. Now I tell people, stay human. Like, that's the big thing. Like, just stay human. Don't take hate and lie shots. You know, don't fall into this idea that your neighbor is your enemy.

1:06:47 And build those human relationships, man. Like, that's the most important thing. Being with your friends, your family, being able to make eye contact. You know, one of my favorite things in the world is to go to concerts and enjoy not only music, but music surrounded by other people. You've got to have those things too. You've got to have those things too. And that's how you actually keep yourself from jumping off bridges and believing people that are being executed in Guantanamo Bay when they're not. Because you have that, you can always have your foot in this arena. And I think it's important because these are the things that matter. Like I said, I listen to everybody. So there's always time for the more entertaining stuff.

1:07:27 But at the same time, I always tell people, look at all the evidence. Try to use your God-given discernment. What can you prove? What can't you prove? What are you speculating on? Be honest with yourself. But at the same time, man, you got to remain human. You got to catch that beer at the bar with your buddy. You got to have those chicken wings. You got to be able to have that birthday party with your kids. You got to be able to hug your girlfriend or wife. Those things are important. So, you know, that's it, man. I know this is the higher side chats, but the way you remain on that higher side is keep that human frequency going and don't succumb to all this transhumanist Johnny nonsense that's being pushed hard right now.

1:08:08 Yeah. Amen to that. Look at this, the pro. He sticks the landing. But, you know, part of my thing recently has been because of this kind of shakeup in alternative media. I've kind of been thinking, you know, let me go back to the people that were around 10 years ago, 15 years ago, that I never really met, but did have an impact on me and connect with them. So I appreciate you being here. We made a little light of the darkness. We laugh so we don't cry. But I totally am right there in line with your vibe and tone and everything you just said about the importance of staying human. Had a great time. Pleasure to meet you. Take care and keep fighting the good fight. Thank you, brother.

1:08:52 All right, people. Once again, boom goes the the dynamite. Spending time with someone responsible for a film that was responsible for part of my own conspiratorial awakening 15 years later. Unbelievable. He really doesn't seem old enough, does he? Well, let it be known that even though I like to make the free show sound complete, this interview goes on for another hour if you aren't a plus member, as always. And we really started cooking with gas right around the time we got into Isaac Kappy. Which was not planned. I didn't expect him to know so much about the Hollyweird stuff. He usually seems like a pretty practical geopolitical guy. But man, it opened up a lot of floodgates.

1:09:33 And we talked about many things beyond that one-hour mark. Connor McGregor and the Irish mob, Dana White and the UFC, and some of that unsavory stuff with mob ties, Carrot Top, Les Perlman and his little boy band thing that we all thought was okay in the early 2000s. Deep State Disney and the CIA and Zorro Ranch and its recent three-day exorcism and the political family that purchased that ranch. And of course, I had to ask about Dr. Judy Wood. I know he has been very critical of her work in the past, but how was I not going to bring it up? And at least he said he's open to it. And that's really all I need is for a person to be like, I don't know.

1:10:14 I lean this way, but I'm open to other things as well. He hasn't read her book. And I think if he did read her book and he knew about Bob Greenier, which I brought up, it might sway him because it swayed me quite a bit. But then without even asking, we got to know a lot about Nico Hopped and how much that guy loves his tidy whitey. So I loved this interview overall. We really had a good rapport going there. We even talked afterwards about his retro gaming setup and his MMA announcing and just normal guy stuff I don't get to vibe with new people on very often.

1:10:51 Did I make a friend? I don't know. I've also gotten a couple of recent comments about the beard length and some people wondering if I'm okay. They say letting your beard go is a sign of depression. No, just like Mac and always Sonny, I'm cultivating mass. I'm going to see if I can try a new beard style here because the short five o'clock shadow beard is really just a lot to maintain and life's short. But anyway, sign up for Plus. The trial is free and you don't even need a credit card to get it. You get full access to the site, which is basically built like a mobile podcasting app with Netflix-like categories.

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1:12:12 More info in the show notes. I should have muted my phone. But this one was really fun. It was only recorded like six days ago. But even in that time, a lot of new news has come out and several things that I thought were novel when we recorded have gone kind of viral, like the Taylor Swift thing. And I did not want to spend much time on COVID at all. But if we're going to discuss parallels to a new virus situation, I guess you kind of have to frame out what a person thinks that was. So it happened. I would say now that we're a few more days out, it does seem like that's a story that's kind of dying down already, right?

1:12:52 Maybe I just haven't been online as much as other people, but I'm not seeing as much as I did the first couple of days. I've already also seen a handful of posts from doctors who have said that this is not the 1300s. We have solved the plague. There's something called Gentromycan, I imagine is how you'd pronounce it, but it's a fermented soil bacteria and it kills plague pretty reliably. If you're even in the one bug, one drug worldview still at all. Though we can at least admit we're not in the same situation we might have been back then. And even still, that book, New Light on the Black Death, really makes you wonder if it was more like widespread illness due to some cosmic impact or some environmental thing.

1:13:37 Because why were the animals getting sick too? It's not supposed to work like that. I still pay attention because even if your personal fear level isn't jacked up, we all know the collective fear level can have huge impact. impacts on your daily life. But of course, we've all got much more savvy networks built out for ourselves this time, right? I also have to add this from Nick Hinton. Check this out. Nick says, one of the first people to die of the supposed Russian plague was a scientist named Darya Shipilova, which is an anagram of ladyship viola. In China, ladyship is a respectful title for a goddess, and in Latin, a viola is a violet flower.

1:14:18 So ladyship Viola could be a reference to one of the purple flower goddesses who sent smallpox to Earth in Chinese folklore, which leads one to wonder, was Darya even a real person or just another deep fake. Good catch, Nick. You know, I love that. I hope he's feeling better. I know he was struggling a couple weeks back. And I wish him well. Like I said there at the end, though, in terms of this interview, I like going back and collecting the OGs, giving the old attaboy to those who really did lay the groundwork when conspiracy wasn't popular. It was coming from people driven only by a passion to expose hidden truths or highlight unpopular takes.

1:15:00 Like the low to mid-level production value at the time was kind of the charm of it, right? Nobody had the same level of resources, and it was pretty much a guarantee that your work would stay pretty niche so you could only put so much into it. Of course, we all know loose change broke the mold right along with Zeitgeist. But if I think back to Zeitgeist, it has been a decade plus since I looked at it again. But Zeitgeist 1 in my head is broken up into three parts. The first is just the story of Jesus as astrotheology and a retelling of the Osiris myth, which many people now tell me is not true or accurate.

1:15:39 But at the time, I barely ever saw things that questioned or reframed the stuff I grew up with. So it was pretty impactful on me in that regard. And then part two is largely just loose change highlights. And then the third third is Jacques Fresco and the Venus Project, which now seems like techno-communism and essentially the same structure the tech oligarchs want. So two of the three parts, I think I've evolved past, but loose change still stands strong. Evergreen, I would say. Thinking about 9-11 and my own awakening, it reminds me of something Jake Coatesy said in our interview, which is that there's this almost cosmic gift that the harder they squeeze us or whenever they make big plays, more people wake up.

1:16:26 There's this inverse relationship that shines through and actually becomes counterintuitive for them. And that's probably why they only do so much. The enslaved are never going to believe in the illusion of freedom if every Tuesday is another 9-11 and every weekend is a new COVID. You have to slow roll everything. And still, if you run the calculation later on, was it worth it? I bet there are some people in the big meetings that question it, that wonder. It's like poking a beehive. You know, how bad do you want that honey today? Can it wait? Is this the best time? Never an easy thing to figure out. And higher side news,

1:17:07 well, we're just chugging along on the THC 500 end of the year subscription drive. I'm optimistic. I'm liking the numbers. I guess I've been a little lazy plugging plus because it's not my favorite part of the job. I just want to do good interviews, but I am trying to up my game in all those little areas that seem to move the needle. So don't mind the cringiness on social media or any of that. I got to do what I got to do. I'm sure there's parts of all of our jobs that we phone in. The sales pitch is mine. But to all the plus members, old and new, and the people, you know, responding to my goal here, very much appreciated.

1:17:45 Thank you for not making me beg too much. What else can I say? As for the last episode, yikes. I expected it to rank a little higher than its current 4.1. I've gone through the comments and it seems like the biggest complaints are making claims without much evidence. That's going to be a big one. The throwing shade on other researchers in the space. And some might have even known her before we did this interview and have already made their assessment from combing over her work previously. Maybe this was my bad. I can only do so much research before I have a commitment because I don't want to read two books and then come up empty-handed and having to scramble for a replacement.

1:18:32 You know, I got commitments. I got obligations here. Of course, in this case, she came to me and then she told me about her work and I agreed. I said, yeah, that sounds pretty great. We have. haven't talked about that segment of the conspiracy pie in a while. Let's do it. And it wasn't until like the day before that I saw the Johnny Vedmore piece. It's not even a question now because, yes, it is on an anonymous Medium page. I think I said substack in the interview, but those two websites are almost the same to me. Medium is like a less good substack. But that same piece is also on johnnyvedmore.com.

1:19:11 So cats out of the bag wasn't all that anonymous. And the most damning stuff really is him just linking to her own website through the Wayback Machine of things that she wrote and then deleted years ago. So I don't know if you can use words like slander or hit piece because it's just like, hey, what about this? What about this? She used to talk about that billionaire guy like he was pursuing her and really aggressive and putting pressure on her. But she also wrote about it like she was kind of the other woman to a married man. And she writes about the fact that he was going to marry her and leave his wife and then he didn't.

1:19:50 And hell has no fury like a woman scorned. And years later, she's using the terms like sex slave and all that. So I don't know. Male-female dynamics are complicated. Lord knows the levels of consent have been talked about every which way from Sunday. And so I just kind of put that aside and I did what I always do and tried to focus on the good research I found in her work. The stuff I hadn't heard before, the Gerald Ford stuff, some of the Hunter S. Thompson stuff. I mean, that letter, I don't think I ever saw that before. And covering Jack Nicholson was interesting to me. Pretty hard to avoid the guy through the 80s and 90s, but I just figured it was best to try to not talk about the personal story much at all.

1:20:34 And then towards the end, I went against my own better judgment and brought it up. And I just wanted to see what would come of it. And she told me after the fact that it really bothered her a lot for several days that I even brought that stuff up. And I felt bad. So I cut the show so that that was in the plus portion rather than more out in public. I didn't take it out entirely. Why would I? But I did kind of massage it. So maybe it's a half measure, a compromise. I don't want to trigger anyone's trauma or make their work look less valid because of this personal thing going on.

1:21:11 But you got to decide for yourself what you think of her and her reasons for not being a Manhattan real estate agent anymore and that bullet story. Or you can just try to find other things of value in the 20-ish or so books that she's written that have nothing to do with her personal story. So I did what I could. I ended up liking it. I thought more people would, but 4.1 is one of the lowest numbers we've seen in a while if you're keeping track. I'm confident on this one though. Come on, Jason. Come through for me, buddy. All right. And the meetup calendar, hiresidemeetups.com. Anyone can make an event to find more like-minded THC fans in their local area.

1:21:52 Here's what's coming up. October 26th, North Coat Point, Auckland, New Zealand. November 8th, Los Angeles at the Trails Cafe. November 11th, Hudson, New York, Upper Depot Brewing. November 13th, Courtsite, Arizona, the Court Site Improvement Association. November 14th, Raleigh, North Carolina at the Raleigh Brewing Company. And November 15th, Baquetti's Brewing in Brooksvale, New South Wales, Australia. All right, all right, all right. Well, great. RSVP, if you plan to go to one of those events, it's just good manners. Or go to the calendar and make your own and see what happens. But that brings us to the end of another windy road.

1:22:35 I love you guys. Couldn't do it without you. Take care, you and yours. I've done my part. Your move, false flag defenders, pandemic psyop perpetrators and celebrities sizzling in that Hollyweird soup. Your fucking move. I blew another first day where I told myself I'd keep it alive. She may not be as awake as me, but we can have a good time staying up tonight. She was giving me the look. Things were starting to cook. But then she ruined the fun. And I just couldn't bite my tongue.

1:23:14 How could you think they handled COVID well? It was a psyop money grab all planned out. Those maps were just for compliance. Had nothing to do with the science. How many tests did you take? Yikes, you know that was all fake, right? If you got the child, then you're already dead. Do you think the server's bringing bread? I blew another first day. date where I told myself I'd keep it light. She may not be as awake as me, but we can have a good time staying up tonight. She was giving me the look. Things were starting to cook.

1:23:56 But then she ruined the fun. I just couldn't bite my tongue. Those events you mentioned are agenda-driven, engineered far in advance. Why would that dad be laughing? Have you ever heard of crisis acting? No one died at Sandy Hook. It's obvious when you look into it. This is all well understood. Are any appetizers looking good? I blew another first date where I told myself I'd keep it light. She may not be as awake as me, but we can have a good time staying up tonight.

1:24:39 She was giving me the look. Things were starting to cook. But then she ruined the fun. I just couldn't bite my tongue. When you say aliens ain't real, is that because you realize there's a disclosure game being played by shady intelligence guys? Cause beings have been here forever, not just since 1947. They're probably demons anyway. What? The bathroom, I think it's back that way. I blew another first date where I told myself I'd keep it light.

1:25:22 She may not be as awake as me, but we can have a good time staying up tonight. Lord, no, she's giving me the look. Things were really starting to cook. But then she ruined the fun. I just couldn't bite my tongue.