Gordon White | Time Magic, Sky Country, & Tornado Weather

00:00 Alright people, I am gonna make this quick but i just had to announce that for the next six weeks or so getting into the holiday season. I'm putting a lot of my show outlines up for auction again! I've mentioned before that I stick to a strict routine when preparing for and recording THC episodes and part of that process 95% of the time going back many years has been compiling my mess of notes into A roughly four to six page outline that I print out and then conduct the interview from as a template. I write in the margins, cross questions off as we go along, jot things down a guest says that I don't want to forget and usually have a good deal of material in these outlines that never even makes it air

00:44 When an interview is done, I put a little staple in the corner and throw them in the drawer until the time comes to dust them off and show them to people for the holidays. Some folks seek out signed scripts of their favorite movies or try to nab a concert set list before filing out into the parking lot... well this is like that but for a weird obscure podcast So I am signing, listing and auctioning off another round of these outlines. I have to any listeners who might be interested in that kind of thing each one is totally unique full of my own dumb notes and typos never really designed for public consumption but it's fine

01:20 If you're into it, they'll be listed on eBay. The link is at the top of the show notes and I'll post links across the social media dystopias that i happen to have an unfortunate presence on All the listings are set to go for 10 days each so have at it And I'll be ready to stuff those envelopes on the other side Merry Christmas to me Enjoy! The plan is puppet masters all of surely have a plan But we've thoroughly tested every last clue's just adieu We know the less where would we be?

02:09 without DNC. Because we know they're lying to us, just don't know to what degree without DNC! The higher side chat show Greg Carwood and company Help me help you, Hireside Chatters. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and while we watch the Wokesters unravel in the MAGA Faithful's foam at the mouth during this intense offseason it can seem like we're locked into pretty chaotic times ahead family members going no contact over their conditioning multiple pathways to World War III toxic environmental disasters of increasing frequency and scope

02:48 escaped lab monkeys, a collapsing legacy media technocratic wet dreams becoming reality and a range of far-reaching massive changes proposed by the incoming president. And a blue state chorus line of noncompliance ready there to resist. Not just in the US but around the world there are massive cracks in conventional control systems new control systems emerging healthy growing distrust of authority civil unrest and demands for something else Even if that something else turns out to be just a new route to take down the dystopian path of the faded technocratic roadmap. Which is to say that while it can all feel like our times are a bit hectic, random and volatile anyone with trusted models and a good grasp on a range of reliable cycles would see this runaway train of uncertainty as coming in right on schedule And of course one of those fine fellows is our good friend and returning champion of guest appearances Gordon White of RuneSuit

03:42 He joins us having just presented a very thorough and robust course on time magic, including lessons on Time Beings, finely tuned blended cycle models. And what all the right signs can reliably tell us about these thought to be unpredictable times! And thus it seems like a great time to check in with him so let's do it The Magic Course Crafter Blended Cycle Model Maestro and Time Lord Gordon My Man welcome back as always Thank you so much absolutely absolutely and i really did love everything that i found in the time magic course the profiles and the profits and sears who did predict accurately. The appropriate models for our own time to talk about time beans,

04:27 And i picked up kind of a parallel to magic one oh one where you can't jump right into the provocative world of manifesting or nudging the universe towards your goals if u don't have well defined goals and that's kinda boring, free work part that people don't really wanna do. And you have to hone in on them correctly got a word them correctly etc etc With this course, I felt like there was something similar going on where the course aims to teach people how to have a better understanding of time. How to essentially predict what will come into pass by having a better idea of how we relate to time? What time beings even are and that sort of stuff do you feel like there's a similarity in life? There's a lot of pre-work to do before you jump into trying to predict because

05:18 We're conditioned to think about time in a radically different way than natural time should be thought about. It might not be a lot of work so much as it is like, a really easy single step but it's non-obvious and if you don't do that to start with then you kind of lost at the beginning and that sense it is very similar to manifestation And we have in the West... I'm always interested in this because people will nod along and go yes yes the cosmos is cyclical like yes yes linear time It's a machine project of the Enlightenment. It's not really real, it's not really how the cosmos works." They nod along to that because it's correct but they still live as if their linear time model works so I've always been interested in what magic does or prayer or manifestation or anything invites you to look at the gap between where you are and where you expect to be or want to be?

06:15 And that gap with manifestation is that inner work, it's typically shadow work of how you've made yourself a match to your current conditions. When it comes to time magic, well I want a better job or I want a wife or I wanna own a house whatever happens to be that distance from you in time so its like okay but I guess time has got something to do with this So for me yeah It's an invitation into the gaps and process has really changed for me, I would say over the last decade or so particularly with sitting in ceremony with Ayahuasca and so on because how you experience time when you're in a psychedelic state is actually probably closer to how time quote unquote really is. But then you come back down here and it's like okay what do we do with this? Yeah that's a good framing and you do have some interesting analogies in there that I never thought much about like the analogy of astrology

07:11 being a subset of something else as football is the subset of the idea of sports there's this higher order idea and then a bunch different types of sport. And with magic usually people put astrology in that top category rather than as a subset of something else and it seems like astrology This is another thing I found interesting because people ask me this all the time. I'm not even an astrologer, but people constantly are asking, well you had this guest on this type of astrology and this guest on Vedic astrology like how can they both work? Well, this is kind of getting at how they can both work. They're both models of this other higher category thing talk about this because this is pretty interesting

07:57 I did a bunch of work on this for Miguel's first astrognostic conference in Mexico, which is astrology as a model that comes from contact with, to describe it shamanically like the upper world. The star beings or whatever you want right? Heaven And it's not true, it's a thing that works because there is something true in reality. So when I opened the course –it was on YouTube channel because it was public–I posed the question does astrology work because the cosmos is cyclical or is the cosmos cyclical because astrology works? Whichever one of those tracks you go down will make it either easier or harder for you to fold-in other

08:40 time magic systems, other forms of astrology and other forms of prediction. I understand why completely people who have been ride or die with quote unquote Western astrology for years, it's always because it works but they find themselves in it so whoever first introduced them to astrology and they show them their natal chart will be like wow all this stuff like I feel seen by the cosmos because this is a story of me that works Very often, because I've been doing this for a long time now trying to get people to open up from that. They can perceive it as almost like an attack like don't take my astrology from me. No no no! I'm making it better. Making it way bigger and you better at it. That's the thing that has always been really interesting to me

09:25 I'm reasonably conversant in a couple of different astrological forms. The further away from the classic Hellenistic Western astrology you get, they still work! So there's Vedic and then there's Chinese and then you jump to the ocean – although we should really call it Mayan calendar rather than Mayan astrology – by the time you get there, there is very little that looks the same as them and they all work. How is that? For me, astrology is a system humans have developed through centuries of observation. And what they've been observing is the fact that the cosmos is meaningful and cyclical

10:03 I like it and in that course you come right out of the gate talking about forty events missing people the bass straight. The kind of bermuda triangle i guess your neck of the woods you mentioned time slips and happenings like philip k dicks exogenesis ballast rabbit hole thing with a jesus fish well i think we are both fond of looking at the weird anomalous things for clues to the bigger picture When usually people throw those things out you know what ufo's are an example you see that your well anti gravity must be a thing whereas other people say will that can't be real because it violates the physics is like well maybe gotta change the physics while. Are there forty and type things related to time in missing people in this that, can give us clues to better understanding of it by looking at those outer edge weird things

11:00 I think so, because for me what I like about – well just personality-wise we like 40 and stuff right? When you examine the weird and the high strange you come away with a deep and profound realization that I describe it this way. That the cosmos is a community of beings that's what it is. Like we are one of the beings in the cosmos. So if that's the case – and this is really true when I learned again on Amazon The cosmos is communicating and doing stuff with or without us constantly. In fact, some of our Roman philosophers like Seneca would say everything is essentially a forecast of everything else. If you're looking at an oil lamp flickering in your house – this is Rome right? It probably means that there's a storm coming. He kind of had this idea that the cosmos is always essentially communicating between itself

11:56 And you get the very limits of that with a Fortean understanding. So for me, astrology is a system that tumbles out of contact events and not just astrology like history itself is time magic. Edward Gibbon who wrote The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, a very famous 1700's book, basically the first kind of big historical story that involves a decline, but cycles. He experienced time slips of his own first of all he got the idea watching Vesper's choral singers in the ruins of the temple of Jupiter when he visited Rome and was struck by like oh here is Christianity embedded in a temple to another god like things must rise and fall and change but he actually experienced time slips on hills where he knew that there were

12:47 Roman battles before, and there was one...it's not in the book but he told it in somebody's letters I think. But he was just there one foggy morning –I think it was in Switzerland– where he could hear these soldiers in the fog around him that plainly weren't there! And so at the edges of tangling with time magic or tangling with time as beings we find these stories like huh okay well now you've got my attention Yeah obviously i was gonna ask you about time as beans because i can barely maintain headspace for place being in dot means, and you say time is a collection of beans that we experience cyclically and that's kind of a moment if u really sit with it that.

13:37 Time is a collection of beans we experience cyclically. We think of the cyclical stuff as like mechanical kind of, like clockwork these are the analogies often used I mean so they say simulation theory because people what they mean is they see a code embedded in it and they see scripts running and all these things that relate to modern computers but that's what their saying and its like often we think about the phi ratio as like a bit of that code But then, you know, you would think about a time cycle similarly. Maybe the phi ratio is a being too that's manifesting itself out physically? I'm not sure but talk to us about time beings how to think about this differently. So what i've been saying for years is if you sit with the Mayan calendar for awhile...I describe it this way essentially all Wednesdays are the one Wednesday they don't have a seven day week. Think of it well actually two different weeks but let's just say there's a 20-day calendar called Tzolkit

14:35 And each of these is a being. You kind of get a similar thing through all the Mesoamerican calendars because it's based on the same idea, but you can see depictions of them in an Aztec context like the god of time essentially carrying these 20 burdens like an agricultural worker But each of these 20 time beings is a being that alters the energetics of the cosmos and comes with lessons. It comes with things you can learn and speak to, and crucially for the Maya in particular it is one of the essential functions of a human in keeping the cosmos running too

15:15 attend upon these days. It's called daykeeping, but one of the reasons that the universe hasn't been destroyed is because we welcome and connect to these beings as they cycle around and around. So that's kind of one of the ideas I take from it. We find this in Western magic. You have governance of zodiacal signs and days and planets by angelic beings. So in the same way that we have governance of bits of land, by angelic beings. What you're saying there is that the cosmos is made of stuff that has intelligence and character. If you kind of squint, we have our own version of... Okay so

15:55 depending on which system you use, but Sunday is governed by St. Michael, Michael the Archangel. So there's something about Sunday that... How does that work? How does that actually functionally work and does that mean that the quality of Sunday is different to the quality of Friday which is governed by Anna El, so the angel of Venus like Okay, now we're starting to feel into this idea of oh we did used to know this. We did use to know that there is an intelligence and a feel to beings in the cosmos that aren't just made of stuff because stuff is fake. We know that there's actually no matter and then other things it's all the one stuff. And in the Andes like where we get the word Pacha Mama from pacha means cosmos stuff like

16:41 It's place time, it's the combination. It's the stuff that the cosmos is composed of and so it then kind of follows...it's a bit weird for us after you know so long with the enlightenment materialism to understand that the stuff of the universe isn't just how we experience physical matter, its everything! Its like pacha, space-time. Yeah and this is something from my notes I wanted throw out because I thought you said It kind of gets back to the idea of different forms of astrology working. But you say the goals of this course were to teach how to be better at predicting, and how to just be in this very difficult part of the cycle that is the next few years, and then also to help people understand the full implications of signs importance or omens coming from sky country that we have systematized into different types of astrology. And

17:33 And I just thought that was great. I mean, I still wrestle you mentioned sky country a lot in this course and it's provocative language we've talked about Magonia before i love the idea of these the 40 and things that are in the sky rotating floating pyramids and who knows what CGI and what's real at this point but all those kind of things are interesting and just omens from Sky Country and Thinking about it like well, we have these systems of astrology. That's because they're picking up on certain omens in the sky But they're excluding way more than they're including for their various Systems and you got to look at all of them and it's our human minds that have systematized them into these different models as you say Like whatever your you're an expert in right?

18:21 Let's say you've been studying chemistry for 20 years and you are tasked with teaching some 12-year olds chemistry. It's like, okay cool! So the entire world of chemistry as I know it has to come down into a system that i could put some kids through so that at the end of it they kind of know some stuff but this is the trouble like astrology and the rest of them being a second order effect of a profound level of complexity when I teach card reading I have this idea called Omen Logic, which is coming back to that Seneca idea that the cosmos is doing weird stuff. What appears to be weird to us they probably think and they'd be correct that we're weird because it's like why haven't these idiots noticed what it is we're doing? But UFO phenomena are like that. It's like teaching algebra to dogs when beings from Sky Country UFOs or whatever you want to call them try to communicate with us. It would be like trying to teach algebra to your dog

19:14 It's levels of complexity that our puny human minds can't get while we're still in bodies. So the system is always going to have a lot of loss in it so that it can be workable. If you were to build an astrology in Babylon, and say okay cool, so we've just spent centuries looking at the stars, observing comets, observing patterns of plagues and locusts and whatever else is going on from a Sitchin Anunnaki level... Right! I have to turn around now and teach it to the next generation." And they weren't there for that. So I'm going to have to build a thing that will work most of the time or as best as I can get it. It won't be the real thing, but it will at least be a thing I can convey in the same way that you're trying to teach chemistry to a 12 year old is like well, you're not gonna be out there creating nanothermite but you might kind of know what happens why water steams like why changes state so That's kind of how I see things like astrology

20:09 It is a workable, imperfect system based on an inconceivable reality. Yeah man! To think about cyclical models as you say second order results from first order contact events that Yeah this is their way of trying to communicate something and it's like here's astrology or here's a random model or here's tea leaves, or this or that or any system I suppose. It's like language that is bizarre and not using words but If there's bizarre beings out there, they communicate in odd ways I suppose. And also shamanically the upper world or sky country is also the future in the same way that the underworld is the past – that's where we keep the ancestors so there's something fundamentally significant about upper world contact and its entanglement with what we perceive to be the future right?

21:05 However you want to slice it, once we leave these bodies our experience of time is very different. So my favorite of the NDE experiences that has been published is Elizabeth Krohn who wrote a book with Dr Jeff Kreipel she's been on my show and when she was on the other side having been struck by lightning... The whole of the cosmos! She said it was like you could go anywhere in time and it felt like you could slice it like a cake so you could go up into the right or forward and to the left, to find things. And my first trip into the jungle for an ayahuasca dieta I was deep in ceremony and it's kind of riding ayahuasca as a giant snake never ending story style. She was taking me to different parts of my childhood where there was trauma stuff. So I telepathically convey a memory

21:55 She would do the same thing. It would be like going up and to the left, like she somehow found it in you can call it the Akashic records or just the imprint of time and place. And I remember in ceremony being oh this is what Elizabeth was talking about on the show that future and past and so when it's not that the future is predestined necessarily but there are kind of relations or dimensions you can get into where it's all happening at once everything all at once. We don't experience it like that down here. We experience it as upper world and we experience it as future, and so on. Consequently any of the systems that were used to try to sense-make what it means to be here in the cosmos are going to be genuine but imperfect attempts at grappling with it. This is why when you get asked how come this one works or this one works for astrology? It's like well because they're both imperfect attempts at telling a sacred story

22:50 And it makes sense to equate some of this knowledge of models and cycles. Two contact events, because the contact events that we know about where they are highly visual your, you know, the whole going on the craft experience almost every time they're just like look at this thing whether it's insane geometry or some weird map of the cosmos, they're like, look at this! And then they just want to put you back in bed So when you think about thought beans, they don't have to be little greys but thought beans being there and who knows do thoughts have people? Do people have thoughts like someone who has an aha moment or arrives at

23:30 astrology or a system of it and starts pulling on the thread. You don't know how that's getting in their head, it doesn't have to be an explicit crazy Fortean contact events to be given but do you know of any model origin stories that sound like explicit crazy contact events? No what you typically get let me I said no too fast what I'll say first instead is Kind of like what you said, you have a UFO experience or near-death experience and they'll come back and they'll be like, oh. When they showed me the weird tea towel with a squiggle on it that's how time works now let me explain it to you and its the craziest fucking thing you've ever heard this is why we have astrology by the way because you get a contact event thats like I don't know what do you want me to do with this? They showed me a teatowel with a squiggle on it and they said this is how time works And I knew what they meant when I was there but now that im back here

24:27 I got nothing, right? So not explicitly one-to-one. You do find amongst mystics almost like a more useful map because I really like astrology. Like rarely do you get a more useful system than the one that we have that When you see it for what it is, you can update it and yourself. And actually over the last 30 or so years, Western so-called Hellenistic astrology from the 90s there was a project of going and looking back at what we could find from the earliest texts in Latin and so on from like the Hellenistic era and incorporating those techniques back into astrology. Whenever we find a new planet like Uranus or what have you

25:12 we observe its cycle, and then we look back through history. Particularly for the outer planets, like we'll look back at Uranus's relationship to Saturn for instance, back through time when it's been opposed or conjunct and so on, to see if we could find things. We build the character and signification of that planet based on going backwards in time and looking at the cycle of it. Astrology allows you If you treat it correctly, it updates and thus gets quote-unquote better but only if you let it be what is which we're talking about. Yeah obviously a greater sample size of events builds out a specific but little bit broader thing not everybody who has a bad temper is angry that day

26:03 But you can look at a trend and be like, this person's prone to anger in traffic. And also in this instance and that instance but not so much this other instance like the more examples you get. Yeah exactly! That kind of works from a forecast perspective as well particularly if you're thinking about it magically. The metaphor I use in the course is tornado weather. So you can forecast tornado weather with a high degree of accuracy But that doesn't mean you'll get a tornado, but you definitely got tornado weather. That's another invitation to open up how you understand astrology which is like, oh we're in a time of whatever it happens to be increased risk of civil unrest or war or what have you. We might not get it but we definitely go the increased risk and something like a tornado whether

26:51 model or metaphor is useful, I think for opening that up for people so that they don't go like, oh well astrology said this would happen and it didn't. So fuck astrology! It's like okay, there are some babies in that bathwater still. No that's great actually had to write down tornado weather cuz it's going in the title because really it's a great bridge to. The geopolitical presentation like this whole first half hours us talking about time and cycles, they kinda show that they exist that day are reliable that they might even be alive i mean this is a uniquely you kind of thing i can't talk to the next guest about time magic but you know what it helps too

27:35 When we're gonna talk about the things in the geopolitical presentation and the road map ahead and we talked about this before when were talking about long arc so you're talking about something that's coming three years from now i've been talking about it couple of years doesn't mean. You know the whole thing of like well broken clock is right twice a day eventually you're gonna be right will know even saying the dates on these things but. The reason why is cuz of these models cuz, you are very into blended cycle model and you have different systems that uc working and you put them all integrated together and you add conspiracy tendencies in the conspiratorial mind looking at how a technocracy behaves

28:16 And that's like another component that a lot of people miss. As you know, the magical community can be quite conspiracy-averse which is quite odd but I see it all the time It is now, yeah. In the 20th century it wasn't like... If you think about the magical renaissance of the late-20th century was built on the shoulders of Robert Anton Wilson and his rediscovery of things like Crowley and what have you didn't used to be there. It's just when conspiracies became obvious and people lose their fucking minds mostly because people end up in something like magic as a cope for an unremarkable life or as a cope for not functioning correctly.

28:57 If you keep it at a hobby level, it becomes cope. And as the world gets worse people retreat into their copes so yes. Funnily enough talking about astrology and forecasts and let's say the election I was watching some cope videos of astrologers who were like well how did I get that so wrong? Apparently about 75% went Harris and 25% went Trump. I'm using that as a ratio just as a guess of like 25 percent of people in magic are in for the magic as far as I could tell 75 percent are in for the cope. So there we go Yeah, it's really interesting. Probably why it's goth fashion adjacent because the way people look at goth people. Exactly and I won't pretend that didn't have a we'll chalk that up to a phase goth Satanist moment in my teenage years as well. I grew up in regional Australia of course they did. I grew up in a coal mining town in New South Wales in the nineties of course they had

29:50 And I forgive myself for it in the sense of like, well, I needed that. Rage against the world somewhat, because the world around me was ass. Of course! So I say it without judgment but I say it to wake people up and be like well hang on if you're still dressed like the goth character in Portlandian now there's some inner work, there's some shadow work there and if that's like oh no I've done this shadowwork I like looking like this go for it right? There's a bunch of people in magic who are like am I doing this as cope how much of it is cope? Right right

30:26 So the tornado weather analogy i like it for this kind of thing because you can see that the storm is coming but you know you might not be able to see exactly where tornadoes will land or how. It will manifest and That gets into kind of the more practical goal of your course, which is teaching people how to be with this stuff. And there is a wide range of feelings about the red wave election and the claims that Trump is making. I mean, I find it entertaining congressional term limits banning corporate executives from positions in regulatory agencies. Bitcoin as a strategic reserve asset capping credit card rates at 10%, which is like the most democratic policy ever. Like I'm surprised it's not a Harris thing, but you know what?

31:09 You know, filling various cabinet positions with really exciting people and previous THC guests who we might have put in the Earth Keepers episode we did. But you sort of say, look, the cycle's the cycle collapse is coming if you're focused on if his suit is red or blue, you're missing the point. SCOTT MOSSERMAIDEN Yeah...if you think of cycle models as wave models instead? You can impact amplitude. So where we are in the cycle is where we are in the second, and what I mean by that is you have a tropical homestead thing going on. I live somewhere colder than that if I put tomatoes in late autumn or late fall nothing will happen actually they have to go in basically just before midsummer because we still get frost but The point

31:57 where two decades or more, actually more but like where the Western civilization in this case United States is in the cycle. Is late fall, late autumn and we can be very excited about putting tomatoes in it just is what it is now He's saying a lot of good stuff. Very little of it is going to come off, not because he's... I mean, he is a narcissist who's lying that's fine but like not because of that. It's cause like he's bringing someone who has had half their family killed by the same people that he's now going up against and it's like come on now all this stuff sounds great let's get some of it across

32:33 Having Joel Salatin somewhere associated with the FDA, incredible. If you get 5% of it before we end up in World War III and national divorce is better than no percent of it. So when we talk about where we're heading, it doesn't mean black pill. It means we can't alter the cycle but we can adjust its amplitude. We can make it less to paraphrase Tina Turner, we can do this nice or rough So, we could go through this part of the cycle nicer or rougher. And also the other thing is because when we're recording it's almost mid-November, January 20th is a long way off! Those 75% of astrologers who picked Harris' early days...

33:18 That would still be an example of like, oh yeah well of course because we're heading into the civil unrest moment. It's just going to be hectic chaos from a political perspective. The things that he wants to do you would struggle to do in the mid 20th century when there was civility in politics and the corruption wasn't total. Now they're calling each other Hitler trying to kill each other and this is when you want to demolish this demented system? Good luck sir definitely but It's more like, not so much don't black pill but don't let the inevitable vicissitudes of what's coming impact your flow or your autonomic system too much. Hope for the best manage your expectations find which part of it is yours to do and it's really interesting straight after an election because I noticed that with The Blue Team last time

34:10 There is an upswell of confidence and energy and excitement. Like if you voted red, your red team got in it's like yeah let's do all this kind of stuff that's good like enjoy that for the week or so but when that high ends which it inevitably will make sure that your sense making correctly for the direction we're going Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. And the thing is that like the excitement around those potential policy changes, those radical swings, I mean the implications that people think well if we can just get these things done will fix the system and we can go back to normal like that's the thinking that would be wrong you can be excited about like oh look at that interesting change

34:53 But it doesn't stop the technocracy from coming and just kinda changes the way its implemented we can talk about you know how it might be implemented now that there's a stake in the ground on this. Fork in the road and we know which direction it goes but i kind of been thinking about at the amplitude examples good cuz i've been thinking about like a breakup it's like, You are going to break up. Fate is determined you two are not meant to be together, but how bad is the breakup gonna be? How much pain are you gonna endure? How many times are you gonna cry in the car saying don't leave me before you eventually accept it and just like get through it because like the predictable point would be that there's gonna be a breakup but no, it can be painful or painless depending on I guess the amplitude can be different depending on how you approach it

35:43 And there's also relationships after that. So for people who are looking for the upside, right now we have in public discourse in a way that no one ever expected how maybe we don't need income tax? Maybe our food should not give our children obesity at the age of two radical ideas that aren't going to fix this system. This system is going away but the ideas won't So if you're looking for what is yours to do at the moment, this is real shamanism actually because shamanism is that tangling with thought being dimensionality. It's like okay cool well this is all ending what are the things we want to bring with us? To the next configuration because by the end of the 2030s we have something that looks more like

36:26 decentral, direct democracy. We just have to get through the collapse of this bullshit that we're all laboring underneath at the moment." What do we take with us? Do we take direct democracy? Do we take robust local food systems? Do we take fuck income tax like yes, yes, yes, right? So there are still things for you to align with and things for you to get behind and things for you to share, and carry that energy in that relationship to those thought beings through this. So there's a real moment of opportunity here. Things absolutely do get better again. That's the real medicine of a cycle is like yeah we're just in like a shit part now but the good part it's still coming right? What do you contribute to that? Like what if I told you you do get to redesign society in the 2030s? Like what kind of food system and political system do you want because guess what

37:15 I think that's going to happen. We literally do have to redesign how we relate to each other politically and economically in about eight years' time, a bit more. There is good news here – just be sure you're getting behind the right good news and not The news that will disappoint you. Right, right and the two big things that are going to dominate the next bad eight years or so our World War three and technocracy it seems like those the two things its like they kind of overlap when is peak war in when his peak technocracy art do they overlap exactly one-to-one or do you put the peaks at different points what do you think

37:59 So one of the reasons the West is going to eventually end up in World War III, which it's pushing for is to cancel all its debt. You will own nothing and be happy has nothing to do with you guys and mortgages and credit cards. It allows for governments to cancel their own debt. And so you do that with a war. At the end of a war, you have a Bretton Woods moment, which is going... The plan is an IMF coin —and this is how countries essentially fund each other— post-war So, they're the same thing in that respect because an IMF coin is obviously a worldwide digital currency which is the same thing as Catherine Wilson Fitz would say. It's not a digital currency it's a control grid so every time you hear digital currency think of control grids or free range totalitarianism so in that sense they're the same right? And they are the same because people who are in power at this point in the cycle this how they think there isn't like a secret cabal of I don't know trans-luciferian robot worshippers

38:57 It's actually just, this is the inevitable fulfillment of this managerial industrial idea. There is no one anywhere and the same thing if you're expecting for God sake Putin and Xi to save you because they went for the injections, they have their own digital currencies it's because people think at this point in history that's just the power of it so you will still need to sense, make and understand. Amongst the premium membership I talk about exploring points of consent and departure. We kind of know broadly what's going to happen. We know broadly that we're going ahead in the direction of digital IDs and digital currency and increased surveillance. And probably although less than that now I expect particularly if... Why can't we just make Joel Salatin president? Particularly if we get Joel Salatin in but you kind of know that the plan with this system is

39:46 moderate your behavior towards what they think is correct, where you can travel, what you can eat and so on. And it's like okay well... What am I doing to not defend against or resist that? Because that's going to happen, it's gonna fail but the implementation is going to happen at least partially and ham-fistedly in different ways So it's like well Am I okay with going, oh I can't be bothered What am I consenting too? What am I departing from? How am I doing that It's that same idea of a forecast model can give you that Right we're heading this direction No presidential candidate of any kind will save us from that. But the pieces and thought beings and stuff that is in play now, is in play. What am I doing? What is my role in this? How am I involved in the things we know are still going to happen?"

40:33 Yeah that makes sense and you know the conversations i've been having a lot of people feel like technocracy is gonna pump the brakes because that was a liberal thing and it's the nanny state that wants to control everything. And this is more of a libertarian direction, we've just done this massive mandate as trump says to go this direction but I think a good example that you point out is the U.S illegal immigration thing, a crisis has been presented and the solve as you've said is to remove 12 million people from the land of the free now what does that actually look like in real terms? Well I wrote these questions before I had an actual quote that I sent you a little bit ago but you know... Is it biometric scanning? Is it hordes of police roaming the streets? Is it people hiding in closets and being extracted from their homes like these twelve million people

41:25 are not going to just line up and say, all right. Put me in the van. But it looks a little Nazi-ish if you really think about how it would be achieved and I'm not saying like illegal immigration should be a crime. I feel like I couldn't just go to a lot of European countries. Like it's fine. The scary thing is these people especially because the candidate who won on a landslide campaigned on it these people that's like a privately funded army you guys got invaded with? I agree they have to go Think about how you implement that and you implement it with a digital ID. So what I spoke about in the presentation, so the thing is this is kind of cultural stuff but the people who are most obsessed with technocracy tend to be on the libertarian route. They think of technocracy as things they don't like and I don't like that stuff either. I don't want the stuff we're planning like CBDC won't work on beef or whatever. Like I don't want that either however comma pause

42:20 There is a right version of it, or blue terror as well. This is the only thing they know how to do, is technocrat. Now that the right team is in, we've got to get rid of 13 million illegals from the country. That means we need to know who's legal and who is not. That means you need an ID on you at all times. follow the logic of it, and you still end up in a system of like, oh I'm not super happy about this because now we have that total surveillance. And it's the same thing as...I mean, I'm not too sure you guys get to many more elections that involve 50 exact states but if you build that, the next people will use it for the thing they want to use it for and they're going to build it so it's all well and good to say well, we've got to use the surveillance system to assist in the removal of the illegals from United States. Great! Are you gonna switch it off?

43:11 Right, right. And then the next candidate is a liberal candidate and they're like, Oh look at this gift we have. We want to use this to make sure people aren't saying bad things online. You know I mentioned the quote it's because you know I wrote some of this out and then as I was waiting for this to start I stumbled across one of Trump's he's doing these little soundbite five minute videos on here's the 10 point plan for this that in the other well he just said in one today We will finally complete the biometric entry exit visa tracking system, which we need desperately. It will be on land sea and air. We will have a proper tracking system." And it's like I didn't really hear that before people voted for you. It wasn't worded in those terms. And you can't argue with the logic. It's like well, you did elect me to get rid of these people how do you want me to do that? How do you want me to police a border which I promised to do

44:07 This is what I mean. The logic of governance at this point in the timeline tends technocratic, regardless of who is in charge and it's a whisper and gasp before that biometric system gets used for... And the same thing with election integrity which is also a problem. It's like okay cool so why don't we just use that biometric ID? We're so close to having it roll out one way or another which is why I... It's THC so it's fine I like to put on the conspiracy hat as part of the forecasting and take it off as well, so that you don't... Because you get a clearer picture when you can say, well is this a plan or is this just things being completely fucked? And this is why I mentioned January 20th's still a long way off. I feel like the blue team gave up about a week and a half ago. It was a ridiculous campaign they were never going to win but I feel like when you compare it to their last time Trump won

45:06 There's no pussy hats. Everyone just kind of like, oh okay. Something what that means is that at a super elite level there are people who've decided the thing that they need to achieve is better achieved with a Trump presidency and I don't know what that is yet because it's early days but okay so we need a red team for the next phase in what Katherine Fritz would call Mr Global's plan I guess. And that's the taking the hat on and off of like, okay we still don't have the pieces yet to see where that's going and i guarantee whether things are fucked up or whether it's part of the plan that it will involve a moving forward of technocracy because it's not just the inevitability of his campaign promises Elon Musk Peter Thiel The rich people that this rich person surrounded him with are full-on for this stuff

45:58 Man that is a great way to think about it because of course we are seeing the individual meltdowns like you're saying all kinds of great tiktok meltdowns and lefties losing at that check from sky news i love watching those compilations. But that's different from an organized pussyhat protest. That's different than something that comes from the top down and moves people out on the board, so many protests movements are well funded and they come from the top down ready to go yeah they're not people grassroots organizing themselves and so the fact that they didn't roll something out for that as you say it's like yeah it's evidence that this is okay to them

46:36 Yes, or and I think it's both. I think that we're expecting some lawfare like at the time we're recording it's not a hundred percent that the Republicans have got their house if they don't have their house there are scenarios like refusing to certify and so on that can be rolled out between here and there And that's the bit where say okay everyone everyone I was expecting more pussy hats like tornado weather It's pussy hat whether and there are no pussy hats now That means that at the Soros funding level What have they got up their sleeve? Other than the fact that we can resign ourselves to the reality that if Trump does survive and get to become president again, it's interesting. It's not cultural and I'm sitting with this like there are no pussy hats. The pushback is all infrastructural so its California talking about resourcing their attorney general to stop anything that Trump wants to do or that kind of infrastructural push back and not cultural push back. So yes

47:31 There's more to play for here, I think. There is other stuff going on behind the scenes as there always is but it's just not clear what that is yet. Yeah and we've talked before about why martin armstrong is a forecaster to follow but he recently was saying that it seems like i guess trump gets maybe two years he said q1 of 2025 does not look great. He talked about the war cycle and you can attest that the war cycle lines up with other cycles astrological cycles cosmic cycles, and it seems like you and him say

48:08 2026, war in Europe. 2027, war everywhere. Pretty much and by the end of 2025 that will be obvious... I mean it's obvious now but like by the end of 2025 as far as i can tell so astrologically what's happening has started happening over the next few months is all those slower moving outer planets change signs Now that's like essentially a big reality update. We also have, when you look at the US Sibley chart, so the birth chart for the United States that's most commonly used, there's a bunch of very important returns like Uranus return and Pluto return which is where these outer planets are returning to the same place in the sky as stuff that revolutionary stuff and World War stuff that's happened in the U.S.'s history because we've been talking about it since forever and I've been talking about on my astrology episodes from the beginning of this decade.

48:57 Mid to late 2020s is when we get the World War III stuff and the civil unrest stuff. We're just here, that's where we are now right? It's obvious to us from the end of 2024 that 2025 is not going to be an easy year politically. We may get a cooling off of what appears to be looming World War III but as far as I can tell if Trump gets to become president that means that the agitators inside the West for World War III will move their center of gravity from trying control the presidency, which they got with a potato in America's wine mountain. And they'll move that to Europe and to NATO because the need for war in Europe for Europeans is more acute because their debt problem is bigger and so on. So I would expect if it were me in charge of trying to start World War III by goading Russia, I would move my plans essentially to Europe and I would false flag in Poland or somewhere that would force NATO countries to come in

49:55 So what that does is it does give us a reprieve. And why that's important is from the beginning, well, it was from about the middle of this year because the way Martin Armstrong works is not just he has his own forecasting model. He also knows everyone because he's been working in finance and currency and hedge funds and whatever for 50 years so he knows all the central banks and politicians and whatever. And he was being told that from about May onwards of this year, that the neocon faction was trying to start World War III in advance of a potential Trump presidency because they felt that their plans for that war would be at risk if he became president. So they were trying desperately but that was what like the incursions into Russia were these desperate attempts to escalate it before they kind of lose control of the White House.

50:43 We still have until January 20 for them to come up with something. But if they don't, and he does get to be president those plans will move to Europe but it cools it off." I thought that was very interesting because he'd been saying from the beginning of the decade World War III is in that 26-27 range and that's where the astrology looks. Then this year he was saying they're trying to start now. That was publicly said on a prior geopolitics presentation for the members. This'll be an interesting test of almost like a fate versus free will thing, where the model astrology and all the rest of it is saying we've still got a year and a bit. But there are people who are trying to start it now. And I mean when I say let's see who wins? It's not a great game but but we will at least watch and see what happens

51:29 Yeah, I mean it kind of goes back to your tomato planting example. It's like you can play with it a little bit. You can plant a little bit early and hope that it comes together. It might not, you know? It's a risk reward thing and it's a probability thing. Now you have the best probability now, 50% less probability a month ago. And that's probably how a lot of these things work, but I guess my point with laying out the timeline is just to give people a solid idea of what it is and really to say don't gas out too early because the real show hasn't even started and so many people I know are like really exhausted

52:10 And the election is a little bit of reprieve between now and January to just be like, well at least we're not doing the election thing. It seems like a rest period. operate in the right story if you want infinite energy. So what my teacher Alberto would say is, until you step into the right healing journey or healing story nothing will work once you step into the right healing story everything will work and If you are exhausted with and I understand good lord! If you're exhausted with the political narrative And that I can't do any more of this You're trying to seek

52:53 your preferred future in the wrong story. Okay, so what we're doing this is a big part of the Time Magic course is leveling up to stepping into a sacred story of what it is you've come to earth to do rather than pinning your hopes for what you would like for our future on whether blue team or red team gets in like let's jump it up and be like okay What did I come here to do? What is mine to do how do I contribute? So my Charles Eisenstein has a prayer that I love, may I be put to good use. Okay step into the story where it's like oh i came to earth for this in this time at least partially for these things...I'm pretty sure although some people have it's not to die in a Kinzhal missile strike? I don't know but

53:34 When you're feeling that exhaustion and then, oh God I can't do another however long of this. That's a call to realize you are operating in the wrong story and to step into the sacred story of like, Oh, I came to earth! And you can kind of be a bit alien about it to be like look at these puny humans in their idiotic ways but that's a turn inwards. That's okay. I'm exhausted have I been trying to secure? soul business, let's say in the political realm. That's disgusting! Don't do that jump up like operate from a sacred story. Yeah, that is really great because I recently interviewed a psychiatrist about all the problems of predatory psychiatry and the side effects have the medications and everything. And he basically said look depression first off no one ever uses the word sadness anymore but depression and sadness that's a signal from your body

54:29 to change something about your life, your shitty relationship. Your bad job is a signal that changed something you don't take a pill to shut the signal off and then just go on doing the same thing that's what those medications are for a lot of people and you could say something similar about a feeling of exhaustion that's a signal it says hey maybe you've been too vested in And what's on the tv and this outward story and not enough vested in what you're doing. This kind of lines up with right where we are but i think i pulled this from the sub stack but it's about the joseph campbell stuff and this phrase myth shows us how to live a human lifetime under any circumstances you say there is a base level, understanding that because man's motivations and desires don't really change from age to age so there's a repeat ability of stories within a human lifetime

55:20 But then there's a higher level and on that level you get access to a wise counsel of living beings operating outside of time who have seen everything come and go because they are everything that comes in goes these metaphysical premises constitute the necessary unlock. The Earth or the cosmos itself has an imagination. It is not in you, you are in it. There's a place where your imagination and the Earths blend or overlap, and there are protocols and axioms that make that blend work better." Okay well what are some of those protocols and axioms? So this is a weird

55:59 I knew there was a line in your episode with Jeff Kripal from about a year ago, from December of last year. Because I remember listening to it when I was driving to Hobart and he said this thing It's weird, I remembered that I needed to remember it. And so actually went and found it. Wow! Went and found it and he's talking about this similar idea because I love Dr Jeff. He is one of my favorite thinkers and favorite podcast guests of mine own. And he's talking about the realm of the human imagination and he's talking about how you guys were having discussion about UFOs and all the rest of it.

56:35 that they interface with us through the human imagination. So whatever realm they're in interfaces with ours through the human imagination." Now, that's a Neoplatonic idea that I'll come back to in a minute because those are the protocols we're talking about. But the line he said that I remembered was there are some beings who can only access us through our imagination. I would say Gandalf is like a being that Well, the being behind Gandalf can only access us through Sir Ian McKellen or the human imagination. And I'm a huge Tolkien fan obviously but the imaginal realm contains Arda and Middle-earth and that's like... The stuff that is in Middle Earth – Tolkien knew this was like where did this come from? This isn't…I didn't do this! This is somewhere out there. That's what I mean by these thought beings in the imaginal.

57:35 You unlock them by realizing, oh they have some kind of reality. So you unlock them by developing a... It's almost like you want to be able to fit it on an index card. How do I think the human imagination works? And so it was line one, the cosmos has an imagination that we are embedded in. Humans have a personal imagination that interacts with, like overlaps like a mangrove swamp at the edges with the imagination of the cosmos. And it's in that liminal mangrove swamp area that we can interact with beings that can be gods or Gandalf or what have you. I know this is an idea from my favorite on my own show. I had a guy on Professor Shaw to talk about Iamblichus who was one other Neoplatonic philosophers and Iamblichus has this idea which is

58:24 And this is why when they're doing ceremonial work in the Hellenistic era, my experience of Hecate might be different to your experience of Hecate. It's because well this is a being that can only interact with you at the edges of your human imagination –at your mangrove swamp– rather than mine so outside the mangrove swamp in the imagination of the cosmos there is Hecate but as she interacts with you it's going to come through or experience differently. So they have findings that are based on experience of how we can solve things that I think don't need to be solved in theory. Because we've had such a damaging job done by the Enlightenment and materialism on our theory of mind, and once you heal that, you look backwards and go, oh okay so

59:10 The answers to why my Hecate is different to your Hecate have already been found, and they work once you step into the right healing story. Once you step into the story of how the cosmos has an imagination which you are embedded in at the edges of your human imagination – that's where you interface with these absolutely real beings some of whom Dr Jeff Kripal can only interact with you in the imagination. I think that makes a lot of sense. And, I mean even just regular people you might be friends with someone for a long time and then meet someone else who says, oh well I met that guy and it wasn't anything like that. You know people still have variants too you know? Exactly So add that layer of complexity to an already complex situation man right on! Well it's been a pleasure as always give people the RuneSuit pitch and tell them about any newer upcoming stuff in The Mix

1:00:04 Nice one. So runesoup.com, although I will say Substack which is completely free is the place to go now because I'm just giving up on the open internet it's too difficult not really but I'm actually writing again and I'm writing on Substack and it's free there will always be free you get everything there and of course the podcast and so on but the main way of getting at my actual writing is their runesoop.substack.com I think or substack slash Runesoup You can find Yeah, I'll put a link out there and uh yeah i really love the sub stack right? And im glad you're getting back to the blogging thing. You took a break for awhile...I mean you have too! These courses are so in depth..i think theres 70 plus-and as you say time magic it will be done when this releases but its not done yet and there's 70 plus lessons in the plan and this is one of close to a dozen courses

1:00:55 More than that, no. God! You do a lot. You're the hardest working man in magic and this was a lot of fun breaking down Revelation's business plan as you've said before. Thanks as always I hope we get to see each other in 2025 but... We'll figure it out Yeah we will. I feel that. I think that's gonna happen Okay well take care until then thanks again And boom goes the dynamite The great and powerful Gordon White You know him, you love him. A serious THC staple and somebody who I can depend on to have a thoughtful reaction to any election outcome as well as adding some added dimensionality to the whole thing And the Time Magic course being as good as it was i knew there would be a lot to talk about and we could do the whole Trump weave between magical and the practical and I hope he had a good time

1:01:48 I turn this around pretty quickly because things are moving so fast that even a day or two can really change perceptions of how this new administration is going to go. Because it's all about those appointments! It gets clear from the Ryan Christian episode that i tried really hard not to pre-judge and at least be fair about it but some of these appointments are in, and its 5050 but a good chunk of them suck here's what Ron Paul had to say Yesterday was a bad day for those who endorse America First in our foreign policy, with reported Trump appointments of neocons Elise Stefanik Mike Waltz and Marco Rubio. Many who hoped that Trump 2.0 would be different than Trump 1.0 are feeling dejected and betrayed Is there any hope left? Also today Iran strongly denied any plan to assassinate Trump So whose lying

1:02:43 Yeah, I think he has his finger on the pulse with some of that even though that Elise chick the US ambassador choice. Don't even know who she is but i trust Ron Paul to a large degree He's one of the few voices in politics that I do take seriously and I think they really want to keep people focused on RFK and Gates and goofy stuff like Doge But don't pay attention to the neocon appointments being secured in positions that actually get us into war. And I was just thinking, I probably should have used different words in the intro because our times are hectic and volatile but they're just not random they're predictably hectic and volatile. As we get closer to The Big Show some of these predictions and forecasts might start to seem obvious as they should it's kind of the nature of being right

1:03:37 But I can take this stuff back to the event Gordon and I did in Austin. That was us talking about this stuff like what, two years ago? The message hasn't changed much and i can go back even further than that to Gordon and Austin Coppock's Portland event And they were both saying we don't really see a return to normal We just get crazier And that was another two years before the other event that I mentioned. Yeah, that was September 2019. I mean wow little did we know how crazy it would get although I guess the stars were hinting pretty hard and I know Gordon has spent a good amount of time talking about forecasting in general and being kind of a magical person and how a lot of the magical community they're so stuck in their political bubble that it taints their abilities

1:04:26 And they really have a responsibility to the universe, to be honest forecasters. You know you can't just sugar coat things because of your political affiliation or how you want things to go technically if you're skilled in this area it's a gift from the universe and. You have a job to do as we talked about everybody has a job to do this would be the magician the forecasters job to do and so many of them don't do it instead they waste their time with Trump binding spells and all that. But the point is that forecasters of negative events do get a lot of shit because people don't want to hear that, number one. And number two sometimes it's interpreted as an endorsement but it's not what Gordon wants to happen It's what looks like will happen Don't shoot The Messenger!

1:05:16 But we know the history of forecasters and fortune tellers and astrologers telling people in power bad news that usually doesn't go very well. I mean, just look to foundation for a really good example of that but this whole thing we talked about it also syncs up pretty well with Bibu Dev Mizrah and his Yuga shift book and that whole interview And I really do objectively think that Gordon folds in the best material out there And when it all lines up with the same sort of story, you have to sit up and pay attention. Martin Armstrong I don't think cares much for astrology as far as i know and astrology definitely doesn't factor in martin armstrong's geopolitical models but they tell the same tale

1:06:02 And you can go watch Gordon's actual geopolitical presentation for a lot of added detail about financial cycles and how things will be affected in Europe versus the United States. But to me, the headline is 2026 major war in Europe and 2027 major war everywhere I wouldn't panic, obviously people lived through two world wars in the past but i think it's a good practice to consider how limited our time is anyway. This only adds a layer to it and consider the next year or 2 the best time to position yourself for a few hard years after that save as much as you can

1:06:46 I've actually considered getting an order of Patriot Supply just to keep in a closet. Maybe that's a little paranoid, but it's an inexpensive security measure. Iodine like we talked about in January focus on breaking bad addictions and forming healthy habits Like when here in Florida, we had those recent hurricanes and lost power. I started to think about how resources were just not available. I didn't really need anything but there would be days where the kids would be getting kind of rough jumping around and I'd think man if one of them broke an arm or something there's nowhere to go And it was really hard to find gas for like a full week maybe even 10 days and that really gets you thinking about rationing and limiting your travel

1:07:33 I know people who spent the last quarter of a tank just driving from gas station to gas station being told they were all out. I'm not expecting Armageddon, i'm only saying this recent hurricane kind of acted as a little stress test for me. COVID might have been a stress test for everybody but How often do you need a hospital? Sometimes it can't be helped, but I guess you should just plan to be on your own for awhile or develop that local network i'm always talking about. Because just not being brainwashed is half the battle! It's good to know other people that won't need to update their entire model of reality during a period of crisis

1:08:15 Also people you can share resources with, trade with do commerce with outside of the tightly controlled surveillance grid. You want to know people who also want to avoid all that as well My go-to resources that are applicable to the widest number of people listening would be Find your local Westin A Price chapter You can become a member of the overarching organization and they'll send you a buyer's guide which is great but the local chapters will also provide you with local health food resources and a guide to where to get the good stuff. And most of them do think like us! I would also say check out Derek Burrows' Freedom Cells Network in your area

1:09:01 I looked both when i was in Southern California and here in Florida, and I didn't see much. But that's the nature of networks If the people don't come and provide the material and content then you really have nothing but im sure there are some good freedom cells out there maybe theres some near you And third you have the THC meetup option The great thing about THC meetups is it's not so much a platform that you have to log in and treat it like a social media network. You just make the event and I act as the conduit that other people will hear, It's like the bat signal

1:09:42 It is good to log in to RSVP and let a host know you're coming, but that's little different than having to be active on a social media-ish platform. But also check out the No Agenda meetup calendar because they are very adjacent show and I think they probably have 5X maybe 10x the volume as we do on our meetup calendar it's a little more baked into their whole brand over there of course that is where I stole the idea from too but either way The fact that Gordon's latest course was time magic right at a time when he is also updating the geopolitical models. It really worked out and I think it made for a good interview where we talk about forecasting in general, and then it's not really about changing what happens. It's about changing your orientation to stormy weather or tornado weather. That's a great analogy. The second hour plus show of course hit on a lot of important stuff too

1:10:39 Plague stars and the disease cycle. I thought that was really interesting, the value of the E Ching Gordon's Lenormand deck and The reading I did for this conversation which also I think spoke to the importance of making those local connections in building out the network we also talked about why America is Atlantis and why it will fall similarly We talked about how to be with all this and how to find what is ours, to do now the necessity of shadow work and how to conspire. Become a plus member and stop missing half the show. You know, the deal, although some people recently did complain to me and say I should switch to a value for value model. I get that kind of advice every once in awhile first off, I would say, do you think it's easy to change models of a show like this that you're doing?

1:11:30 I'm pretty committed to the thing i got going on and I laugh because when people say value for value they get that from no agenda. They absorb that pitch and they think like oh maybe I should tell Greg about it too, and honestly I love No Agenda one of the few shows I never miss But they spend a lot of time making fun of the subscription model and they also spend a lot of time bitching about months where donations are low just as often. I sometimes think they're projecting but when picking a model there's really only three factors that were important to me free from outside influence so no ads or sponsors reliable consistent income, so we don't have these wild swings that are hard to plan a life around

1:12:15 And thirdly, take as little of the audience's time as possible. Every single show you listen to will have a call-to-action ask of some kind or it's full of ads which is essentially the same thing but if those are the three factors that are important subscription wins every time 30% to 40% percent of every No Agenda episode is thanking individual donors and everyone I know skips that part Which is harder to skip than ads because you really don't know when it's over. If they did the same show and they both brought 10 clips per episode and just did a free plus split of 5-5, first hour second hour or 90 minutes whatever They would have a much tighter show and more consistent income because I'd certainly pay to extend that

1:13:06 But you know, whatever. I'm the idiot! Also in higher side news the THC signed outline auction is still going on The first round of listings is already up We do have winners the highest bids went for of course Dr Hillman and also Analog and Chris Knowles but yes someone is now the proud owner of my Dr Hillman outline and that is a wild one Some of the listings were actually removed by eBay just for the titles. One was Joseph Farrell... All I put was Joseph Farrell Rudolph Hess and just, Rudolph Hess's name can't be in a listing on eBay apparently. He was a Nazi but there are many different uses of a single name but so be it!

1:13:54 I think the first 20 listings are complete and there's like 62 active listings left to go with like 48 hours left on them. A lot of people did snag one for the minimum bid which is 30 bucks, seems like a fair deal and i'm stuffing envelopes next week for the ones who got them $30 adds up fast when you're selling 70 items so i'm not complaining either And next we get into the rating of the last episode and that's Ryan Christian. Of The Last American Vagabond clocking in at a 4 point four, a little low but I understand a lot of people had feelings right after the election and if the interview didn't match those feelings it probably got dinged

1:14:40 And it's funny because a lot of people love Ryan and then a lot of people also see him as blackpilled. Or, better way to say it might be that he is just very non-committal on things which I get with so much manipulation its hard to determine what facts and narratives are the real ones but when a guy gives so many caveats before making any point there are ppl out there who find that annoying So I see both sides I do think the plus show was a lot better when we got over the election stuff and talked about specific toxic disasters and geopolitical moves. That's a bit more his strong suit, and we talked about several things that barely even make it into the news cycle so i liked it. I like Ryan but I understand the 4.4. I think today's show is a lot more up the THC alley and we will see how it shakes out in the ratings

1:15:33 And then of course the meetup calendar. Hiresidemeetups.com, make one RSVP if you hear one near you know the deal on deck we got November 17th oh that's today Moundsville West Virginia November 21st Canaan New Hampshire at the Poor House Barbecue November 22nd Tampa Florida The Sail Plaza I'm very much going to try and make that though i did just find out my wife's friends who are visiting Don't leave until the day after that. So we'll see what they have planned with their kids, maybe they're going to go to Disney or something and I can sneak out but i don't want to overhype November 23rd Grand Rapids Michigan Kitchen 67 and then moving on to December on the 9th it's Auckland New Zealand at Gail Braths Alehouse and December 21st Bar None in Denver Colorado

1:16:27 Good deal. The more events, the better connect while you can but that's the show and so there still are a lot of feelings about the AI songs I write well let me just say this when i first discovered this tool I wrote one up for both Gordon and Chris and I send it to them just as me testing things out but I said hey check out this song oddly specific because I just thought it was fun And to save myself the trouble, I'll just end this show with the Rune Soup song i made for Gordon at the time. It really was for his ears only but it's fun so whatever Big thanks to Gordon as always, his courses are so in depth it's insane. If you have any interest at all in magic dive into just one and you'll be sucked into the rest! Did ya know he has one on UFOs, fairies and psi? On top of angel magic, grimoires energy healing wealth magic and many others

1:17:22 It's a really fun thing to get into late at night. But again, hardest working man in magic someone I'm super thankful to call a friend in the oftentimes petty fickle what can I get from this person world of podcasting but with that I'm getting out of here! I've done my part your move In Denial Copium Swaddlers Emergency Supply Hoddlers and Blended Cycle Modellers Your fucking move Catch yourself a cast iron pot and the witch's wooden spoon. Gather up the grocery list, wait for the fullest moon. All this nonsense add a pinch of history in the culture you can stand. It's some good astrology! We're making our own soup A healthy tasty brew. We're making our own soup all the things you wish you knew

1:18:19 Possing some UFO stuff at the carts to tell your fate More than you can take us by the bedside Call the spirits now, bring the dinner All your friends around We're making a room soup A healthy tasty brew We're making a room soup Of all things you wish you knew Possing some UFO stuff At the carts To tell your fate More than you can take Make some sigils By the bedside

1:19:03 Ring the dinner bell, gather all your friends around We're making room soup A healthy tasty brew We're making room soup All the things you wish you knew Toss in some UFO stuff Add the cards to tell your fate Don't let it boil over There's more than you can take Make some sigils by the bedside Call the spirits down You ring the dinner bell Gather all your friends around