Gordon White | The Cyberpunk Endgame, The Dream Of Control, & Your Desire

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00:54 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine higher side chatters riding the choppy and unpredictable waves of life from sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood And in troubled times like these sometimes the best medicine is to parse the paranoia and carefully crafted paradigm that supports it To find the data and the dot connectors that can ease you back into a power position and rekindle the fearlessness one needs to truly live

01:48 In other times with an agenda this exhausting, the best medicine is to talk about anything else. Well call me crazy but today we're going to try and thread a needle through both types of medicine not by dismantling what we've been through again but looking at the road ahead making sure that we have the right tools for the terrain and diving into completely unrelated and off-the radar curiosities that are just good fun Dare I say we have something for everybody, but with me is my paraesoterra podcasting brother from another mother here for the 14th time The Great Gordon White. In 13 previous podcasts we have talked about everything from aliens, archons, astrology and animism to hybrid humans permaculture potent grimoires in the elite secret belief system

02:35 He's the author of Starships, The Chaos Protocols and Pieces of Eight with a new one on the way. And he has one of the most diverse detailed and unique subscription services I know of at RuneSoup.com offering a new magic themed course every quarter with loads of extras sprinkled in along the way A much needed light for the darkest of dark timelines from one edge of the world to another, The Medicinal Mage of Middle-Earth and Certified Shaman of the Tasmanian Shire. Gordon my good man welcome back to The Higher Side How do you possibly come up with things to say if we're at episode 40? I'm going to need start robbing banks or something just to fill out the intro, the beginning. Yes. Yes. You were always putting out content so I feel like I've got something to say! The certified shaman! That's exciting! Yeah that's true! Like to keep busy

03:28 Yes, and of course kind of a paradox of an intro trying to offer two almost contradictory types of medicine for people but if big pharma can do it so can we. And I actually did a meditation this morning sage the house due to the passing of our dog who died in our arms last week and wanted to get rid of that lingering bummer energy coin onto my altar and ask the spirits what the better way to start was. And they said cyberpunk, which is rising out of virus punk at the moment as you've talked about in your recently released and really great presentation called Digital Best Practices that is super important and also maps out the road ahead as you see it where you make some bold predictions that I'm not hearing anywhere else really

04:16 And on the flip side of that coin was your latest course, Fairies UFOs and Psy. Which are three reliable words on any higher-side bingo card so we will get to that! I think this makes sense but i guess we'll find out soon enough. Yeah definitely and...I mean they do it's You're talking about communication, connectivity and relationality. So whether it's how we do that and how we don't with the tools that are available to us... And also that idea has been with mankind forever so the origin of technology is odd. I write about this in fact in what Starships is basically about but there's also towards the end of Pieces Of Eight. Globally speaking in creation and origin myths

05:01 There is an uneasy relationship between mankind and technology, and that doesn't necessarily have to be gimmicky crap like VR headsets. It can literally be a spear or like a blow dart. It's that idea of how the human extends its capacity into this sort of extra-human world Because we're more or less, with a few notable exceptions like elephants chimps and corvids. We're like the only ones who do that on this planet anyway that have physical bodies so how that came to be has caused millions of sleepless nights over the millennia and it's funny like we don't do that we don't sit with

05:42 just how weird technology is in the first place when we have discussions about what's our best digital strategy and so on. But in that sense, they actually are aligned it's about human connectivity and agency in the cosmos Fair enough, yes. If anyone can make sense of my grandiose rambling and nonsense it's you! And technology was a nice section of the latest module of the Faeries UFOs and Psi-Cores so I guess we are in the realm of something that makes sense but i guess A real basic way to start is just ask how you are holding up on your permaculture paradise

06:19 on the edge of a prison colony. Yeah, right? For people who don't know Tasmania is this sort of vagina shaped island south of the mainland of Australia and Australia is certainly living up to its police state dreaming it's prison colony It's insane what's going on and they're the sort of psychic and psychological when physical damage that is happening on the mainland is unforgivable and indescribable. For whatever reason, it's not happening in Tasmania I'm still trapped in the country needing permission from the federal government to leave it but if you can get to the island so far life is good we never even had masks there was a couple of weeks with things being closed We do have the check-in app as everyone at state level has down here

07:09 That's what's going on in terms of physical life here. As for how that impacts people, I mean not well it will be the most challenging sort of psychological ordeal you'll go through at least until about 2024 to 2027 so that's no great in terms of digital health some of the most amazing things have come out of it which is just stopping using social media particularly at the beginning of the year this has been amazing! You just get so much more done. This whole process has forced me to have like friends in the Valley and all people who are kind of aligned, I think I mentioned to you Greg my acupuncturist knew of who I was from the High Inside chats. So that was, so yeah, I think that's cute that we had she's amazing but we have an acupuncturists here at The Edge Of The World he's been practicing for 20 years and I show up cause they have some health issues from a couple months ago and she's like oh yeah

08:07 I think, I know who you are from higher side chats. No that's good! So that sort of what is going on here and as for how we're holding up you know? We do our best. We are very fortunate in how we live so you know...we have this beautiful property on a river at the edge of the world so if you need to just get away from the just simply iconic and demonic blizzard of what is going online and in the world you can just step outside and that's lovely Yeah yeah and i wasn't gonna bring that up but since you did i know of course you went in for acupuncture and you had told me about.

08:46 this energetic connection between the liver and the heart, which was really interesting. And might be a good thing for people to hear if anybody out there is feeling stifled or has been sad for too long? Can you tell people about that piece of it and how acupuncture works in that regard? Well so big klaxons and caveats that this is not something I know much about personally. And I'm sure there are people listening who know a lot more about traditional Chinese medicine than me. So apologies in advance for probably messing some of these up But I went in for a, well basically a broken heart like the despair and whatever loneliness. And the last 18 months have sucked right? Like if you look at the suicide numbers for people young people in Australia and actually around the world it's insane. Part of the program is despair and terror and fear and all the rest of it so eventually that adds up. So I kind of went in thinking it was heart stuff

09:40 And when you get your diagnosis, obviously in traditional Chinese medicine the body is understood I would argue better because it's in a more holistic way but including energetic and meridians and so on. But how something like that is understood or in my case was that actually because the heart is the seat of your Shen which is kind of part of you that is involved And it receives its support and energy from liver. And it wasn't receiving that and my acupuncture starts, have you had any like restrictions on your expression or creativity in the last 18 months? And I'm like, ah bitch have a seat where do we begin? And that's why I might, do you know what I do as a job? That's how I found out she listens to the show because I'm like, you know what I'd do is a job. And she was like vaguely because they listened to the higher side chats. They're like, okay cool. So I went back into the gym and I started doing some pushups

10:34 So that was really, really interesting that there are not just diagnoses that can match better symptoms you are experiencing. But consequently as you'd expect there are treatments and options that are available so if you haven't looked at it before and I know we've discussed acupuncture and so on but if you haven't looked at TCM when you're in a sort of you know plan demick malays and that's very understandable think about it because it's not like they can open up the old timey book of traditional chinese medicine ago are planned to make take down shen take these herbs no exactly that but you'll find that. Because everyone is different in s one of the beauties of the system being diagnostic on an individual basis, you will

11:19 find ways to sort of like have bodily responses that match you and your situation. So it's been a fascinating healing journey that wouldn't have happened had all of this not go on, I guess. Well, that's a great summary! Health related modalities that relate to either the water in our bodies or the electrical current of our bodies we could say the energy of our bodies cuz those two factors seem like the biggest ones to me and western medicine doesn't even acknowledge them i think they're important so. Oh, I couldn't agree more. It's crazy and obviously you mentioned i'm now properly certified as a shamanic energy medicine practitioner not that I wasn't on board with this stuff before of course I just have a training in a specific modality but we are

12:08 big on the water game down here because of everything taking so long. We're getting rainwater tanks and all the rest of it put in, which we paid for six months ago that haven't showed up yet and they'll show up just in time for the dry season because that's what happens but anyway It was really interesting to go through a health scare about a month ago That involved overnighting in a hospital which I haven't done since I was 16 maybe? And just The difference between, and I hate to call them alternative. When we talk about alternative healing, we've had this discussion before it's the materialist one that's the alternative because every other culture everywhere everyone including our own up until the rise of this kind of machine metaphor

12:51 had some understanding that what went on in your inner life, your psychic life would have a play out in your physical body and the same thing understanding of water and energetics and energy. It's just wild! And not just that because I haven't been in for so long and I'm more energetically sensitive than I would have been otherwise. I haven't been into hospital... We live in quite clean EMF environment Not completely clean but as good you can get it in Western country we live at the very edge of Tasmania right? My goodness, the EMF environment of a modern hospital is insane. It's not just everyone has their phone still which is whatever but all these devices that are around you and you think this is where people come to heal and we're basically putting them in actual microwaves And I don't mean to get x-rayed and all the rest of it although there's that Just in general when you lie in the hospital bed and you're surrounded by these emanating devices You think wow

13:49 Where do we begin to have that discussion? Right, right and not to go off on a tangent but of course I'm absorbing a lot of stuff related to pregnancy in the birth process and comparing natural environments for birth centers and stuff like that two hospitals. And the natural books all say look as the husband father your job is one thing produce more oxytocin in your partner and reduce adrenaline. What makes for oxytocin? It's a spot like relaxing environment with dimmed lights not these bright crazy hospital lights and the beepings and stuff also familiar people as opposed to complete strangers basically everything in the hospital process is going to create adrenaline which

14:36 launches into fight-or-flight and stops the birth process. From an evolutionary perspective, it's like oh if you're gonna get attacked by a jaguar you better stop this process get up and get the hell out of there! And those things in the modern world are triggered by the hospital experience so say the natural paths and everybody else thinks we're silly for having a kid in something that is more like a spa retreat type setting. And I'm fine with them thinking that's stupid, but it is all about the production of those chemicals which in the Western process they're totally doing everything wrong to achieve the goals of a healthy flowing birth process

15:16 Yeah. So, I mean, I guess ultimately it's the other one's decision but is that the direction you're heading? Are you going to do a home birth or have you not made up your mind yet? We're going in middle ground with a birth center as opposed to a home birth although as time has gone on she's like we probably could just do it here maybe on the second one but for the first one at least experienced people around if there is a second one so that the argument for hospitals is just in the rare instances and they are rare Yeah four out of one thousand yeah where something goes wrong and then you're gonna want to need to be near a hospital right so if your new hospital. You know if you do it what do I know about pregnancy in birth but it seems to me like the argument for hospitals is when something goes wrong but if your near one it's like well,

16:02 It's pretty good. Yeah, it's fine they have a process for the whole plan B thing but as I've read in the statistics it's four out of 1 000 women have what they call a negative birth element which could be something as small as a breached birth or a cord around the neck these are things that can be solved in a home environment too Radical as the system makes them out to be or if you see a movie where it's like, oh it's gonna be breach I mean It's like the Titanic's going down when really there are processes that doulas and midwives have to handle such a thing So pretty rare that something would go wrong Especially if you've been doing the natural thing throughout the whole time but I mean Jesus we are off to

16:47 Let's get into the digital best practices presentation. I've just been holding all that knowledge and- You could have segwayed into fairies there, we could have gone changelings you know anyway... Yes yes yes! And i was gonna say when you said you didn't know much about birth like what does anybody know because as you say in the module like birth is way more mysterious than death even and there's just so much weirdness around it but maybe we'll get there Digital best practices. People might remember us talking about your kind of utopian vision of rewilded towns with big home gardens and hobbit houses and a UFO in the driveway, this sort of back to nature reality coupled with a fully developed ether slash torsion physics model. I love that vision as well but as you say we have to go through cyberpunk to get to solar punk which is what we might call that utopian vision

17:38 We all know where we've been so far, but it's these potential next phases of Cyberpunk that are the most intense. And we don't know how close they will get to achieving their goals, but it is nice to know what those goals are when you say yeah, totally. So that was obvious to me I think on your show when we did whatever was April of last year and I said bubble what you think of as the virus or the health incident and say that you can argue about that later. And I've actually quite enjoyed the destruction from the inside of the Rockefeller medicine cosmology that's gone on, but that's immaterial to. The actual discussion because the idea was to use it as the air cover to bulldoze down the real economy and rebuild it in a managed technocratic way which were about

18:26 30, 40% of the way through depending on where you live because that was obviously the destruction of independent small businesses in favor of big business. That's a 2020 story of most successful year ever for billionaires and so on whilst 25% of small businesses in New York are permanently shuttered and now they have segregation again and whatever right? But actually, the cyberpunk component of this is the app ecosystem that's showing up. The so-called vaccine passport or the check in app or the rest of it and people seem to think that we're winning that because depending on when you're listening to this Boris Johnson but I don't know if you understand how English mouths work but you can tell they're lying when they're moving particularly when their politicians and he said no vaccine passports for the winter and everyone was like yay! We won! And i'm like No you didn't

19:14 Um, and besides the bank of England's one of the central banks that is further ahead with their central bank digital currency. So what will probably happen is it will come through that door. It'll be like credits with your NHS app because it doesn't matter what you call it. The idea is that you will end up with a digital ID that is going to be used to manage you from a climate alarmism perspective, so that you'll have a certain amount of credits and you'll only be able to move a couple of kilometers a day. Or if you eat meat it will only be once every three weeks and this will all be managed through the app because you literally will not be able to pay for say steak with the CBDC currency replacement. That's where they want to get to right? So what I've been saying from the beginning is that's where they want to get to not enough people know that yet

20:04 One, it won't work technically. None of these people have ever had real jobs like you actually can't... It's just the ultimate in hubris so in terms of application or implementation, it won't work but secondarily not enough people realize this is where we're going yet and when they do, when they're about to be told hey we're gonna lock you down again to save the planet You haven't seen the riots that were gonna get So it all ends it just doesn't end yet. And that's what I mean by you have to get through Cyberpunk to get to Solarpunk and not just that, and this is a Catherine Fitz paraphrase of Tina Turner we can do this nice or rough like we're getting into Solar Punk nice or rough because this process the up in the down of this technocratic implementation

20:51 leads to a lot of really, really bad stuff. Like we're already seeing maternity hospitals speaking of closing New York and all the rest of it because the plan is in the process of failing in its implementation but the only thing they know how to do is implement more each time that happens right? That's how you get a collapse so that's what I mean by you got to get through Cyberpunk to get to Solarpunk The good news is Cyberpunk itself has many Inspirations rather than necessarily technologies that are there for you. And we also have that in anarchism and similar cosmologies, we have notions of counter economics and so on. The trouble is in most discourse, we've replaced something like counter-economics with just the word Bitcoin. It's like oh yeah, Bitcoin! We'll just buy stuff from Bitcoin. No... You might literally not be able to I have a bunch of Bitcoin, I'm pro crypto whatever right?

21:44 But I'm also pro crypto in the sense that there's a bunch of options available to them, not necessarily seizure but make them illegal or force you to convert them. Like we don't know how that story ends it doesn't strictly matter as long as Bitcoin is something you have or cryptos are something you have from an understanding of counter economics because counter economics is also in my case living in the Huon Valley like living somewhere where where it is rural, I have way too many birds so end up with way too many chicken and duck eggs. It's literally trading them in a non-monetary way for things that my neighbors have and so on. That's all counter economic especially if i go into a store

22:25 and swap some eggs for something that's in the store. That's real counter-economics, especially once we get to that CBDC level." So this is what I mean by we have to go through Cyberpunk to get to Solarpunk or whatever you want to call it on the other side but... ...that's both a good and bad news story as long as you can see it if you can see it! If you can see that this actually what happening and that has been my struggle and rally, not really struggle but I guess rallying call for the last 18 months is see what this actually is in the up and the down because we're sort of at that inflection point where it all generally unwinds disastrously next year. We don't go back to normal at the end of that. The rest of this decade has its own challenges which will save for episode 15, I don't know but that's where we're at and I put together this presentation

23:14 Because this is sort of my background. So for people who don't know, before when I had real jobs they were doing digital strategy and data strategy for really big companies really big media companies in Europe. I've been on stage and on panels for Google in Germany and Ireland and the UK and whatever never worked for them but like I was a thought leader in this space right? So it was very obvious to me coming into it what the plan was, because it's always been the plan. Like I've been in a room where when Google has offered like half a million euro to media companies in Europe that have failed and that is clearly deep state CIA money to get them to...I've been there when people have spoken about what do we do with people's data and how did we track them the whole time? And so on this is always the road they were taking

23:57 So I've had my head there for a long time and I like digital technology. That's that sort of early millennial thing is we were the kids who briefly, it must be said thought that the internet was going to be that kind of utopia rather than their ghastly surveillance system its become so It doesn't necessarily mean okay cool so we've got a surveillance grid or we've got like apps and central bank digital currencies coming in so on I guess We just don't use digital technology and see that's not right And that's kind of why I had to put this presentation together. It comes back to that idea we opened the show with about if you have a nuanced understanding of technology, you don't necessarily think in those ironically for digital technology binaries

24:40 You don't necessarily go, okay cool I'll get rid of it. Now some stuff you absolutely should there should be no Facebook or any of that in your life like that one is actually easy and iIdon't want to hear oh then I won't hear from my family It's like you call them and you say for my mental health I'm not using Facebook let's have a group chat on an app that doesn't make me wanna kill myself right? I don't wanna hear it everyone has these excuses Anyone who's on Facebook after 2016 is over the age of... I dunno 60 and typing in all caps So some stuff you absolutely can get rid of and I beg you to get rid of it, but don't get rid of the whole thing.

25:17 And what I was trying to get people's head around, and I put this presentation together. And actually gave a presentation on the platonic technology stack how exciting is that when I had a real job in London? It was sort of tumbleweeds at the end of it but i built like a data management platform for media company I was working for. Say I built...I didn't build it! I was the person in charge with delivering it so... Project manager Yeah just because people think I'm that kind of nerd And the same thing happens here. So people keep asking, it's like well if I can't use Facebook anymore what should i use? And that's real dumb capitalism right that sort of oh just go to telegram then and it's like no

25:53 If you think like that, and I use the sort of animist Indigenous Australia idea of we need to be thinking about ways of thinking rather than products of thought. So if you say well if I can't use Facebook do you just want me to start using Telegram? No! I want you to think differently about platforms and connectivity. And obviously although Telegram's very quickly turned into Facebook but I want you to think what am i achieving here what am i doing and it's connectivity when you have a theory of connection. that replaces the idea, and we've moved long out of it of like the sort of monolithic Facebook Twitter feed of everyone all on one platform to smaller kind of like hyper-connected groups. Which means the communities you're in can be on Signal and Telegram and whatever else rather than all in the one place I wanted people get their head around that thinking which is well what are you after? You're after communication, you're after being in relation, you're after that kind of connectivity

26:52 And when you think at that level, it means yes you can use Telegram until you can't because the guy who founded is like a member of the World Economic Forum. So it'll turn on everyone soon or eventually I still use it It's good enough for now but I'm not married to it and when it gets worse we think differently The kind of point of the presentation was to give people what's available for them to use now from a digital best practice But crucially how to think about how you get your own digital best practice Mm-hmm. Well, that is a great summary of that presentation overall the part that I latched on to was where you have this chart and you lay out three tracks to the agenda The medical the financial and then the digital slash political And of course she did talk about some of these things in that summary but it's

27:45 a great chart that shows where we've been, where we are right now and then what to expect over the next 18 months in the future column. And I wanted to talk about the future column of those three categories. The medical one says that we will see ongoing injections possibly monthly for the Delta and other variants and the reporting of injection injuries is going to be indistinguishable from these new variants. And that is exactly what I think we are seeing now, of course the presentation is a few months old. That's literally what happened? The presentation came out long before Israel worked that out and announced it Yes! That's exactly where we are and that's where were going to get from the beginning We forget at the very beginning of the op they showed their entire hand The first bailout thing had a digital dollar in it If you look at what you can see from the Pfizer contracts

28:40 It patently said that they were looking for sort of 300 million, for the US 300 million injections monthly or like it was actually 12 times 300 million. From the beginning that's where the plan was this is a huge plan which means they don't always get what they want and implement it but that's clearly where we are and people especially in the northern hemisphere heading into winter The area that's most important for the op from a medical perspective is the one that they obfuscate at that point in time. So, this slide you're talking about was super interesting at the beginning, very beginning March of 2020. The narrative around... I hate using the word lockdown but whatever! The narrative around the lockdowns it was to even out emergencies going into the healthcare system and that lasted a couple weeks and they reported deaths

29:28 particularly in New York, where Cuomo was murdering people. They reported deaths on a daily basis – deaths in hospitals and overall deaths from it and so on until that peak in death started to fade out. And then they moved to the PCR narrative kicked in around May and they started calling and this is medically not correct A case is someone who presents with symptoms and has a confirming test, but now it's just this. We're not going to get into the PCR thing everyone listening to this knows it but more importantly they started saying PCR and case and it was Matt Hancock who said at first as far as I can tell in May about using lockdowns to really suppress this virus

30:05 to really eradicate it before because no one would believe that cuz its pseudoscience. It was we need to save the healthcare system and then they shifted it to the cases in narrative and every piece of this story, they've obfuscated the part that is the most critical what's coming next and where are now Everyone, again I'm sure you've had shows on it to get into the weeds of how the CDC is reporting things like breakthrough cases and no longer asking people if they've been injected who have these symptoms. And people who are dying from side effects are being labeled as... It's like well they had spike proteins in them yeah because you just injected them into them and then tested for it!

30:45 So we've hit this mess where everyone who's dying of whatever the illness is and who is dying of adverse reactions, it just being called the illness. So wherever you go, the blurring happens That's where we are now and heading into the Northern Hemisphere. I actually think this is why Britain delayed its passport over the winter, because if you do like a French style restriction not only will they get more unrest but what will happen is the people who've been injected who were going out will still get sick and you won't be able to blame the people that haven't been injected so I actually think one of the reasons they're waiting till after the winter is that you can carry on there the narrative of the uninjected being injurious to the injected

31:29 over the winter. And that's when you see that coming, you just need to know there's nothing you can do about it. I mean there is but yelling about it isn't going to help seeing it and kind of adjusting your psychology and your attitude in advance is going to be useful, I think. But if you break it into quarters which is what he did, you see how the narrative has changed? And that's important because on I said this from the very beginning too we will be arguing about the numbers on our dying day, just like JFK. Just like the rest of it and that's just a hobby right? It's a hobby to do that and i don't even necessarily mean that pejoratively but if you're still arguing about whether or not the virus has been isolated or whether or not PCR tests do anything or all the rest of it have an opinion on that and have an informed opinion and that's cool but if that's where your head and heart are in

32:30 September in the year of our Lord 2021, you're not ready for what happens next. You need to be looking at where the narrative goes next and release that it's gone! That is not what happens. So important and that is these other two aspects. Of course when it comes to the medical Adam Curry has been using the term immunity as a service to what they're rolling out and I think that's a great phrase it kind of sums it all up. And so getting past the medical let's look at the financial because this is where the predictions get bold we had the first attempt at a central bank digital currency in the first stimulus bill like you mentioned, we have BlackRock and these big companies buying up single-family homes across America like crazy right in line with the US

33:16 will owe nothing and be happy about it future. They've been talking about at the World Economic Forum, and then you say the plan for the next 18 months is to get that central bank digital currency established have it delivered to people through a compliance app? And we'll see those compliance requirements segue over to fighting climate change instead of fighting some virus probably a mix of the two but elaborate on this financial phase over the next 18 months Well, so that's already happened. Like the news depending on when you're listening to this last week Microsoft which is the same company that's been involved in the BIS innovation hubs to deal with CBDCs and also injecting chips into black arms in West Africa to kind of incentivize with Gavi of course incentivized various injections even before this all happened

34:08 They're powering the infrastructure around this climate change credit card, where it literally won't work on stuff that has been deemed to have too much of a carbon dioxide impact. So they're actually testing the pipes on how you can deliver pricing based on and by the way and you know this is my background and actually what I do but the notion that red meats has this sort of disastrous carbon footprint versus modified pea protein grown in Bill Gates's labs is wrong. It's as wrong as anything else in it, just if people are wherever you're at on that kind of stuff but it doesn't matter they don't want to eat the meat so that your steak which has already appreciated I dunno 40% in the last 18 months in terms of supermarket prices You either won't be able to buy or if you've driven let's say 30 miles a month

34:59 you won't be able to buy it. And they're testing the technology on how to do that now, and that's part of the BI... So the company that's at the center of delivering CBDC pipes if you will which is Mastercard is injecting chips experimentally into black arms in West Africa. And he's also happily announcing that they're trialing how to do climate change credit cuts, right? So this was always the plan and you see it in The Guardian you saw last year in the middle of lockdowns, you saw from the world economic forum, the whole like wow how quiet and clean cities are and whatever as children are committing suicide and independent businesses going under how quiet and clean everything is

35:41 So that's the next step. That was always where they're going to get to, and depending on where you are in the world people sort of further ahead and less so New South Wales here in Australia is going to implement some sort of app based digital currency next year according to Glarus Birejikli there was a press announcement about a week ago on that kind of stuff So you build out the infrastructure, the digital infrastructure based on compliance with the injections. You will not get your quote unquote free money unless your so-called vaccine passport is up to date and it's funny I think we're in a situation where again even arguing about although this is probably more urgent for people's physical health arguing about what's in or whether one should have the injections which is always a personal decision It's like a ritual of compliance

36:31 So that's kind of why they want as much of the military and as much of the police force and everything injected, because it's a demonstration that they will comply and do the next thing that they're going to be asked to do. It's a psychological operation as much as anything particularly if you start giving people monthly or six monthly injections to participate in what they consider to be returned to normal life but is free range prison right? That whole process has been designed, the app effectively has been the goal. Not necessarily depopulation or any of that stuff. The digital infrastructure has been the goal and we're at the point it's kind of like the Indiana Jones Raiders Of The Lost Ark where he's like flipping the idol for the bag of dirt they're kind of doing that pivot well that's what's going to happen next the next 18 months is

37:23 rolling it out for climate change. It's not there yet, but that's where they intend it to go and I would have thought it was you know children dying in stadiums that would have brought this project to a halt but I guess it's going to be that instead as far as I can tell That will be my guess rather than our forecaster or prediction that we will get the whole way to vaccine passports and CBDC and then they'll start to use it for climate change, and it'll come down is my guess. I don't know but that's what happens next." Yes! And related to that is the third rail of the digital slash political you mentioned ID2020 we had The Great Reset government check-in apps absurd staged ransomware cyber attacks on industries that Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates don't like such as meat and energy

38:15 We have Klaus saying things like, we should be worried about a cyber pandemic and he wants citizenship for the internet. And then we have Cyber Polygon which is like an event 201 for a cyber pandemic. In the next 18 months you say they'll try to make the jump from vaccine passports to that being your internet citizenship, vaccine passports used for international and interstate travel as well as store visits. And I do see some pieces in place trying to pull this off so many conversations in the news media about how dangerous internet misinformation is and we gotta get at that. Well tell us a little bit more about how you see this component of their plan unfolding?

39:00 Well, so that's long lived. They tried to use Russiagate to do the same thing and they tried to get people in the US social security numbers too and this is a bit technical but we'll go with it It's a question of where you verify someone's identity And my guess – I think it's a good one because last year I built sort-of off the internet sorta like social network for premium members because I saw this coming a mile away If you look in South Australia at the moment, the intention is for people to have some sort of they're trying to pass laws to get verified identification for social media. Cause I thought it was going to be browser based so At some point you either have two let's just say comply or having an ID check at the level of an ISP So whoever is providing your internet all you have it at a browser level or app level and I thought it was gonna be that because actually

39:55 80 to 90% of all internet activity, excluding pornography because that's a huge amount of it. is in basically 10 websites or apps. So you'd expect YouTube, Facebook, Twitter Google so on like the ones that you all know you use and probably shouldn't is where the majority of the internet traffic is. It's actually a cleaner way to get an ID verification if you're trying to implement that at the level of either the browser itself. So Chrome are the level over the website or platform as better because most of it's in app something like Facebook or YouTube

40:31 That was going to be my guess. And the reason, the reason I think that again is where we get technical is the other part of the fourth industrial revolution is the internet of things. So you actually can't clog up the pipe, The internet service provider, the mobile provider by verifying IDs because the intelligence isn't there to work out Is the fridge accessing pornography or is it Greg? You actually need for the whole system to work continuous connectivity but you also need to control people's thoughts and minds so my guess was gonna be that it will be at a browser or platform level and i guess again has been born out by some of the deranged laws that we Australia appears to be the test market for them. Including you need some kind of ID

41:17 They're trying to make Facebook as a sort of state requirement, verify that you are the person you say you are. The good news is these are all ghastly and this comes back to the counter economics thing and cyberpunk is well, you need to get better at the... I don't necessarily, this again, I don't know how technical people are. I don't mean like let's all migrate to the dark web what I mean is you probably do need upskill your digital competencies to stay one step ahead of where this stuff is going. And in fact, we kind of know that I've been saying for the beginning of the year, I love Odyssey as a video platform it's fun it feels like YouTube used to be right? I mean most of its kinda dank but not necessarily and it just has that people actually read and respond to their comments you know it's not even just which it is a good platform for delivering video

42:06 It feels like a real internet again. And just like Telegram, I don't mean let's all go to Odyssey that's the right choice for now and Rumble because Glenn Greenwald is on it why not? But how you move and stay one step ahead of that is going to be important especially as its not just the majority of traffic is on these websites The majority of people will never leave them So they will, rather than leave Facebook if you're in South Australia, will give Facebook their verified digital ID to continue their all caps rants about China or something. So if that's not you...

42:45 You need to move. And that's the good and the bad news, like it's actually quite empowering when you can see what's going on around you to take those actionable steps rather than doing things that don't have never and will never work which is arguing about graphene oxide on Facebook right? that's just not the game that is being played around you. Fair, fair and in terms of some of the advice for The Financial, you mentioned if you can afford it get what you need now due to inflation and one other thing I didn't expect is get notarized documents for the important things that you own and your bank account balances That's interesting advice that I have not heard anywhere else Yeah well... The cyber pandemic

43:34 could be one of several things, including an EMP that they'll blame on Russia or China probably. And part of that is an eradication of digital records and they'll actually just say oh so you've lost everything but here have a UBI by the way you need to be injected right? So that's actually the sort of Canada roadmap that was leaked at the end of last year. If it happens in Canada, that's alarming right In New South Wales, they're no longer doing physical title deeds for properties. So that's all going to be digital. What that means is there are no documents to prove in the event of an EMP or similar. There are actually no documents that will say you own the house that you're in right? It's more out of an abundance of caution

44:24 to have these things. But also we move into a dystopia where people can, which happens now like if they want to bring someone down and they can just put child porn on their phone you know? So if you're moving into a world do like I'm not...I am concerned I actually have assets I'm concerned about this So our justice of the peace, which is how we are notary if you will in my little town is the woman who runs a post office and she's lovely. So if I want something notarized, I'm in the post office every day picking stuff up and delivering it. I'm not asking anyone to build a bunker but I am saying if you are concerned, if you have personal concerns about assets and the rest of it then get some notarized documents and have them in a fireproof vault or what-have-you

45:07 I'm just going off what the people attempting this up have said they want. If you take their word, it gets quite predictable quite quickly. That's one of the things that wanted to have for people out there. It's not that big of a deal to get these documents notarized. You can just tell the notary like, Oh, putting this in a safety deposit box and I want spares It doesn't look weird or crazy. And also don't put them in a safe deposit box for the same reason, if you're in a situation where you have an, uh, A deliberate or accidental erasure of the kind of records that your economy runs on, you're also not going to be able to get into the box. So that one I put at really easy to do.

45:54 Somewhere between five and 10% likely, but like on an individual basis people listening to the show well under 1%, as a scenario. I don't think it'll get that far, but if you kind of know this from the post-war reparations when it came to the surviving Jewish families trying to get their assets and property and everything back from the Nazis It's very difficult, and it's why it's still ongoing. It's very difficult to say oh that painting belonged to my great uncle I'd like it back please because you don't have any documents for Of course you don't, because no one was expecting what happened. So it's one of those situations where you go once bitten when it comes to this stuff and the digital strategy doesn't swing on it but also if it's causing you anxiety and it shouldn't necessarily cause you anxiety but you should be thinking about it a little is just get some notarized documents all the rest of it and just have them somewhere and say okay cool

46:57 even if it's part of your bug out bag or not, just to know that how do you prove your life and your existence in even if it's temporary like a zero internet or zero electricity situation. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that is good advice. I'm glad we mentioned it and along the lines of the EMP I've been seeing more and more articles from these like live science websites that say hey Do you know a solar flare could wipe out the electrical grid in the internet? Yes several months which when you start seeing a higher proximity of those types of things always something to pay attention to and

47:33 and probably right in there with the EMP. They'll just blame it on either another country or the sun itself. Yeah, if they're not ready to start the war with China or wherever they'll just do it as a solar flame. Yes. And that's in Starships that actually happened. The last big one that disrupted technology was I think it was 1889 It was called the Carrington event and really the only thing at the time was this sort of British cable network but it busted the cable network across the Atlantic for a couple months Most of the world didn't run on electricity. Now we're talking about hospitals and all the beeping, clicking and whatever your food and healthcare system is really top heavy like it's a inverted pyramid because it is critically reliant on the weakest part of the infrastructure which is basically electricity but like digital systems whereas we shouldn't have done that We should have made sure that everything can work without electricity and have kind of more nuanced

48:28 and finalized, personalized application of these things using electricity. If we lose it people don't realize like the whole thing comes down probably not although in some US cities yes the water will still come out of your tap but not in all of them but basically everything else runs on electricity and there's a lot more wires to replace so it's fine to say it'll knock the internet out for three or four months you actually have to replace that infrastructure you have to replace all the base stations and the cell phones It's not just, it's not Jurassic Park. You don't send someone in to flip the switch back on.

49:05 Man, and this was a line from the fairies UFOs inside course. But I wanted to highlight it here you said the state has used mind control and magic everywhere And I think it looks like that more in the West because we are out of right relation and obviously that's entirely different context but I think it is very important We are victims of tools That we've been conditioned to believe don't even work or exist And to turn this into a question for you, in previous shows we've talked about how Americans are at the epicenter of mind control and EMF intensity and cultural manipulation and weaponized news. So we were primed to react poorly to all of this over the last year-and-a-half. What aspects of this op and the responses do you find to be uniquely

49:58 American or uniquely Western compared to how other countries and populations have been responding? Interesting way of phrasing that. One of the things we focus on in the course, and it was a homework for one of the modules is for people to go and do a history and etymology of the word reverie where we get that from because again when we've spoken about it on previous shows there's The West has the stupidest theory of mind that any culture has ever come up with, which is that mind equals brain. It is stuck inside a monkey skull and it has no relation to other brains or minds or anything anywhere in the world. It's just this like dissociated blob of temporary consciousness which is itself like an illusion. It's just so stupid but what that does is it allows you or forces you

50:57 Cut yourself off from the majority of human cognition, which is to say your feelings. Your bodily experience your unconscious impressions when thoughts and memories of grandfathers or spirits or something arise in you and give you advice and say don't take that injection or there's something not right about this we actually end it's kind of sexist as well as being materialists. We dismiss that as kinda like womanish nonsense And that makes you very susceptible to mind control because one, you're gaslit at that point right? Because your whole self is experiencing distrust and rightful suspicion of a scenario or situation. And then there's this like tiny, like frontal cortex bit going no it's fine you're being irrational and you have this kind of twisting and pulling apart of what you know to be true versus the words that are coming out of your mouth. Like if you look at the people calling for the death of The Uninjected on Twitter one say that to my face but two do you actually think that?

52:00 what level of cognition is, and for doctors to say like we should let the uninjected die. That's the result of mind control and I mean mind control not necessarily in a kind of Cold War sense of beaming radio waves into someone to get them to say funny words like Manchurian candidate stuff. I just mean when you realize that fear and control and security are genuine psychic forces that will come Constellate or capture like entire populations when you know that and people did know that they didn't know that manias would erupt in population. We used to have a language for it, there was easy to navigate an easy easier to navigate because it kind of contains its own healing within it we think all of that is non-existent which means were more susceptible to it right so That's kinda what I mean by your thoughts and feelings and emotions are kinda real but not just that

52:55 true holistic human thinking, human cognition is when all of these the bodily force and the emotional force and the intellect. And all the rest of it are contributing to the kind of inner discussion that leads to I don't know action or non-action even but that's we're so susceptible to be the victims of mind control because this stuff we're told doesn't exist and our ability to have access to it nutritionally with EMF, with light pollution with the rest of it has been permanently removed from us. That's the other half of it. The actual practice part of it is I do a lot of work in and with absolute darkness either in my spirit room or out in the woods here because they have plenty of woods and I mean like absolute darkness. No lights don't take anything to be in that which is an experience that humans would have every night of their lives up until 150 years ago so there's no

53:52 We're in the worst possible position to deal with something that's very urgent. Right, right... and comparing America to how some other countries are Experiencing this, I mean it's sad that Americans are not rebelling in the way that even other European countries are. It's obviously a media blackout but you can go online and see these ridiculously huge images of these protests that are happening in several European countries and then there are other countries outside of the Western bubble that seem to be just quietly using ivermectin. Exactly!

54:31 even I think in some cases sending it to all their citizens, which is something I said at the beginning with vitamin C and zinc. And it's like wow that's just so so different and there are so many Americans that have been so propagandized that they're like they would think that was complete nonsense and it's the actual answer. It's just crazy! So that's two things? We'll start with this one. It's just shitlib racism, so it looks like Americans but again what you're actually seeing is the classic shitlib racism of thinking that it must be some sort of former Trump supporters who are taking horse paste when it's like oh really? So brown doctors from Mexico and Peru and India and Africa that are turning around their health incidents with this medicine

55:19 So are they just like bad doctors? Why are there bad doctors, shitlib. It's not just that everyone non Western countries have been quietly using it. Western countries appear to have already noticed it in the last few weeks. Thank you Joe Rogan and I was waiting for it. It's the same racism. It's actually like in the same way that America look at internally and its own mortality data and go this is really serious. And I'm leaving aside just how fraudulent the data are in general. It's like why don't you consider how other countries have gone and you can't like shit lives just cannot because it's an ideological capture at that point as for why americans aren't protesting. They will but also you have a political setup that has escape valves it has pressure valve,

56:06 where other places don't. Right? So there's the countries that are, the States that are most likely to have the mass demonstrations or the ones with the least restrictions because the blue states are basically Borg and we were just talking about how things are going who knows with the Newsom recall I'm not optimistic because you have people whose identity is built around compliance in blue States and the ones that don't are more likely to live in places the freedoms aren't as curtailed. That setup isn't the same as somewhere like Australia or European countries, where whilst you'll have local councils and things there's literally no escaping the dictates they just happen so that's a big part of it like it will still as we're plainly seeing this ends in The Great American Divorce sometime this decade probably towards the end but who knows at this point but we can clearly see

56:59 States splitting into factions and going their own way in the next few years, because every single step that demented potato takes at the behest of his paymasters is resisted. And rightly so at a state level and whether it's Texas or mostly Florida or wherever. And so the attempt to different overreaches and under reaches and ways around it, it is literally even if we're talking about injections and the rest of it that's just the modern manifestation of a discussion that was going to happen anyway, which is kind of classic states' rights versus totalitarianism situation. So my understanding from the outside when I look at why America especially at the moment because everyone and rightly so this is particularly in mainland, the tyrannies that Australians and Kiwis even moreso have to deal with it crazy but so far we haven't had our head of state say

57:55 On a mass level, all employers of over 100 people they all have to be injected. So different countries are different parts of the tyrannical op like we haven't had that yet but we've had other stuff and I think that's because of the American political system has escape valves in the way it was put together Yeah, those pressure valve points are really good. I totally agree with you and for the audience's sake we are recording this in the afternoon of that election day and i looked before we started and were talking it looks like its 57% in favor of keeping gruesome newsom

58:34 And it is funny because how many people left California over the last year, cause they were just sick of it and moved to a place like Texas or Arizona. Maybe that's the 7% we could have used to keep it at little closer at least but whatever I never get my way with politics. It's funny you mention that Canada is talking about, I don't think they'll get up for this election but they're going to try and make injections mandatory for Voting, right? Oh my God. Not that voting does anything but this is the same as forcing your entire military to get injected and the ones who don't to leave what that does is it washes out the people who aren't going to comply so the people who are happy with monthly injections who vote... Who are they gonna vote for Trump I mean or whoever like actually he was pro-injection but like

59:21 You're just selecting to make sure that you can carry on with your technocratic agenda. It's the same with police force injections and healthcare and the rest of it. Yeah, it's insane! And another thing I wanted to mention is when you did the astrological forecast for the second half of the year with Austin Coppock which everyone should check out The biggest takeaway for me was this interplay we have with Saturn and Neptune which you expressed as the dream of control, which I thought was brilliant because of the qualities of those two planets and what were seeing. It's so ambitious it does seem like a Rockefeller wet dream! A shooting for the stars over-the-top kind of thing...and the dream of control Dream being Neptune and Control being Saturn? I mean that's just awesome

1:00:09 Well, not so awesome to experience but it's a good framing. The surprising good news in that which is that Neptune is not just dream it's diffuse. The reason there is such a tension between Saturn and Neptune, is that it's not actually knowing how these things will happen and that's literally the World Economic Forum right? That's oh well we'll just chip everyone and they can all eat modified pea protein! I'm like yeah that's just a fucking take you just said a thing in a seven-star resort in Davos Someone actually has to deliver that. Someone has to build that app and someone else has to make sure that you have it on your phone, and some kid in a grocery store has to make sure when you walk in they sighted it and what have you so it's kind of like the dream of control in this sense of it works so well its control of dreams It's the free range

1:00:58 prison that I mentioned before, so that you're not... You actually the bars are invisible but they've never been stronger. But it's also not knowing how to implement it because it only exists at a kind of billionaire dream level. That's the good news part of it. The stuff that they want to do, we know it's insane but like it's insane on the level of implementation and We'll get to that point. We'll get through it sometime probably next year going like this actually Can't work but by then they're so far into it. I mean already past that there's so far into what you can't back out now the idea that they can turn around and go whoops What a zany overreaction these last 18 months have been let everyone go back to normal Too far into it The only way out the anyway off this plane is down and that's kind of the good news in their story of Saturn and Neptune

1:01:52 Fair, I like it. I just am always intrigued by those qualities how we see a manifest and how accurate they really are an another great quote along the lines of your make sanctuary post that I wanted to squeeze in here is this, where you say in the Gospel of Thomas we find if you bring forth what is within you, you will bring forth what will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you And this is where coherence comes in. How do you get your own way? How's your diet, your sleep patterns exercise meditation daily spiritual practice digital health and behavior? How is that rampant cocaine addiction? How many neoliberal tantrums have you had this week? There is a cowardice of not bringing forth what is within you that will destroy you but there is also the trash you litter across your own runway before takeoff and

1:02:50 Bravo, man. That is really good! We really can't afford to coast right now we can't afford to not be our best selves right now but when it comes to identifying that unique thing within us that we ought to bring forth help the folks out there who haven't nailed it down yet how do they get at that? Yeah, it's challenging like desire is something with just terrible at theoretical and actual obsession of mine. So we did a wealth magic course last year that does a lot of work on desire, and I didn't event when we could still travel the three day event called the metaphysics of desire in New York. So the theory of this is it's not just the kind of particularly American conditioning off being resistant to the things you desire because they're off, you know?

1:03:48 Again, cultural conditioning of like you're not supposed to covet wealthy things or whatever. This sort of modified Christian overlay that's certainly a factor but very often it's the people don't know what they want they don't understand the difference between the desire that's kind of pulling them towards a future and there is metaphysics in that like That's how a lot of cultures think the world kinda runs that you are pulled into the future by what we would call design, by like a telos or that drive toward meaning. But it's also... It doesn't come through as the right thing so my example that I used for myself this year was What is it about Peru for instance that I am longing for? So you break that down because they can get to Peru

1:04:37 Adventure, mountains like mountain adventure and so on. And Tasmania is actually the most mountainous island on earth I think about 66% of it is mountains. So I'm like okay cool well I've got a few of them but it's actually about what was that kind of novelty in that contact with a certain kind biological reality with the things that were in it. And that's how you can get in your own way, there is all kinds of stuff that you can just be unhealthy about on a physical level but also emotionally and internally about either not feeling worthy of desire or that you somehow shouldn't desire or covet what it is and that can be worked on as well but also like what is it about when someone says to me they really want to travel I'm like okay never ask a why question

1:05:23 a why question shuts down on yourself or if you're having doing this with someone else, a why question will actually shut down the thinking process about it. What appeals to you most about traveling? What do you think it would be like? Or what's your best envisioned travel day and get them to explain, oh, sitting there having coca tea in Cusco or what have you and you get them to kind of pull out these motifs so that you can do it for yourself. Why do you want to be not the why but like, what is it about being Like literally an accountant if that's what it is. And if you don't do the why question, you can do the what and start pulling out the motifs. It may well be that accountants are right thing but might be that you enjoy helping other businesses and you enjoy learning about all kinds of like different ways that mathematical or financial systems work on a small business level. And that's legit people like that stuff so we're just so bad

1:06:17 at sitting with and allowing these kind of desires to come up and through. And coming back to the metaphysics of you chose this, I don't mean you chose your life, I mean you chose to be on Earth for this what that means is you didn't just come here maybe you did to bear witness to the stuff that's happening You chose this incarnation and you probably have some things to do with it regardless of what's going on so that doesn't mean pretending the world isn't Like I wouldn't start a dive bar in Manhattan at the moment. If that's what your dream is, you're going to need to do that extractive process. What is it about a dive bar in Manhattan? It's like well, it's the excitement of like a city and like a late night economy and its meeting people or whatever. And you'll have to do that desire unpack and find somewhere better for it so it's not about

1:07:08 just toddling off into the apocalypse going, yeah. I want to be a movie star it's sitting with well what is that? Because it's going to come through different because the conditions have changed and if you don't do it, you'll... You came here to do that. You are the universe itself expressing it so if you don't allow that expression to come through it will destroy you and there's not just me saying it That's Jesus. That's Jesus himself in the gospel of Thomas So there you go Amen And yeah, I just thought that was a great thing to add to the stack because people could probably use a pick-me-up and a little bit of guidance. This seems like a good thing to go out on but you've also been doing this Lenormand card deck show going over all the 36 cards in this tarot adjacent type of fortune telling deck

1:07:59 And you write, I have to say there are a lot of unexpected benefits of doing a weekly live show and project about Lenormand cards. It forces you to get into the guts of what even am fortune telling and how to do it every week by the time all 36 cards are completed that will be a lot of time up in them guts. And I like that. What would some of those unexpected benefits be? So it's actually been really fun and one of the reasons that Colin and I conceptualized this project is called Fortunes Fools if people you can find it on YouTube was speaking of making sanctuary, I wanted a place where at least once a week because like you. I do different but kind of like intense shows as there's a lot of research or you have to talk about intense topics right?

1:08:49 And this is just this quiet little project for anyone who wants to kind of sit in, come go contribute. Watch the videos show up chat in the chat give advice or input onto how the cards that Colin's designing my co-creator Colin Alexander are creating and The biggest thing has been Up in those guts that I've learned Is that if you spend enough time It's almost like archetype theory You spend enough time with each of these images and something weird will happen that week. So I just got back from, I'm the president of Permaculture Tasmania and I just go back from the AGM and we were staying in a place called Spring Bay Mill which is this kind of like beautiful glamping site it was once the biggest wood chip mill in either the world or the Southern Hemisphere so its part on that kinda regenerative journey, its all very permaculture. So were in these yurt style tents

1:09:43 How you find it as you walk through the woods, there are sort of fairy lights just on the ground which I thought cute from a fairy perspective. But actually the card we just finished is The Garden and so there were these fairy lights wrapped around the trees and I don't spend a lot of time around fairy lights It's not Christmas. I'm not Nigella Lawson. It's not a thing that happens to me very often And it's just each week has been this odd motif match to the cards that you've just spent or image that you've just spent an hour on. So, that's the biggest one which is they work in a kind of weird ninth gate but make it gay sort of way where what happens in reality is matched with the cards and obviously it is otherwise they wouldn't work but also

1:10:27 The images are very domestic and small. And so there's something fugitive in the Lenormand, in that makes sanctuary sense because Bayo Kamalafé talks about like becoming fugitive to these conditions to head into the cracks, to make sanctuary and cracks and create new things outside of this kind of like dominant war model machine. So there is something really beautiful about the cards being mice And like a little crossroads with the tarot you have the devil, the wheel of fortune like towers coming down and all this kind it's all really beautiful and bombastic. But there's a beauty in magic that you don't realize is there in the kind of small stories of fortune telling and fortunes fools has been a really fun meditation on and with that.

1:11:19 Right on. Yes, Sanctuary and Crax very gay. Yeah true! I have watched a couple of them and there's a lot of cool insights about just how to read cards and art and meaning it is a lot of fun And i can understand how it would be just a cathartic side project for you and i'm glad that you got that It was kind of proof of the How You Make Sanctuary was sort of a proof-of-concept like I can't just write a post saying make sanctuary and like not do it But also it has been fun because I, we've done at least one course on the tarot in the membership area which I'm really proud of as well.

1:11:56 When I'm talking to Colin, I don't realize gosh actually this is a funny thing to say. I actually know quite a bit about cartomancy but iIdon't know what to tell people because I don't know what they don't know so it's really fun when it naturally comes up in conversation that I can talk about like if I'm reading for someone into this or that So that's been pleasant to bring to the surface and kind of sit with. I mean I've been doing it for 20 years so hope I'm not shit at this point but that has been really fun to accidentally share those sort of insights Yes, very cool. Well man you are one of my favorite people on the planet I think one of my own challenges through this last almost two years now has been dwelling on the effects of other people's fear i'm not afraid but it does take to tango so no matter what I think

1:12:41 if people i wanna spend time with think it's too risky to see me that kinda hurts because in my head the risk quote unquote is worth it because we have so much fun and mental health matters i think from their perspective I'm just not enough to be worth that risk on a Saturday afternoon. And, you know, that's one thing but the other part of it is being so far down the rabbit hole. I'm taking so much inventory over all the limitations can't go to the comedy store can't go to this concert i bought tickets for because it's a vaccine only show now Maybe we're going to have an app soon and just all this crazy stuff. But when I really unpack it, I'm just creating my own limitations. Really? I could have a THC meetup every week and build a stronger local tribe. I could rent a boat or jet skis or paddleboard with the wife and have a good day on the water. I can hike some of the trails I haven't been too basically I'm saying nature is open stop trying to go places that require someone's permission when so many other things don't and

1:13:44 There are fun people who aren't afraid. And the only real limit is my imagination and creativity as to how to keep living and experiencing joy, and you are one of the best inspirations for me. You make so much more out of your position than I do. You've gone to shaman school, you've climbed the ranks of permaculture Tasmania, you built your own local tribe, and you make me see how many resources I do have that I'm just not tapping into I'm really going to try to channel more Gordon energy over the next year. So thank you for everything, you are greatly appreciated and i look forward to the time that we can actually get together maybe we'll climb Walt Evan Wentz's mountain together or something like that yeah yeah at this rate for your kid's 18th birthday maybe now that's really nice of you to say Greg and I think

1:14:36 Yeah, that's going to be a good journey for you. As you say, you can head out into the water and whatever we did that because it's easier down here cause all we have is nature but I think that's a really great way of thinking about it kind of comes back to what you can do and what you can't do and finding that joy It's been life changing to go, okay well nature it is right rather than the comedy store and so on. That's a journey I think a lot of people are going to have to go on and i'm sorry that people don't think you are worth hanging out with but they will They'll come around. Right? It's about them, it's not about me. Yeah. But you're the best man of course runesoup.com is the website A premium membership is the key to unlocking the cornucopia of esoteric goodness that you got over there anything else to add

1:15:25 No, that's it. I'm on the next series of Magical Egypt which comes out in a couple of months so if you see that floating around i'll be there but otherwise everything is at runesoup.com Solid right on well much love and take care man You too Yes people Gordon The Great White coming back for the 14th time gotta give it up always so much we could talk about and I really was second guessing myself that i chose correctly or let the spirits choose correctly but knowing that the last show wasn't about the big agenda and the next show isn't about it either we do have to take time to talk about it here in the states, we are just two days away from the mandate on businesses with over 100 employees to force that shot already a lot of talk about nursing shortages because of the layoffs

1:16:26 New York City is bringing in the National Guard for Christ's sake to take the place of the unvaccinated nurses. Trucking and transportation shortages, shipping containers and barges just stacking up at the ports Kids are finally going back to school and they're gonna fire 30% of teachers who won't get the shot I mean in a real pandemic do you fire any nurses or qualified medical professionals? I don't think so These are the people who are on the front lines in the hospitals. So shouldn't the virus speak for itself? Shouldn't the condition of these patients speak for itself if we have a significant amount of people in this field, our best medical experts who don't want the shot isn't that curious shouldn't we have some follow-up questions why would that be

1:17:21 since they are making the most informed decision of any other industry. And why do they really have to go now, since they worked through the whole last year and a half? Not good! As Gordon said it is a ritual of compliance for the police, for the military... For everyone really but in these crucial positions in the enforcement class It's a sorting mechanism and I worry that anyone still capable of independent thought will resign or get fired, and so who's left? You know. It really is time to support anyone and everyone who stands strong in the face of this terrible tough decision they should never have to make And if you're cheering on the loss of a person's ability to feed themselves and take care of themselves and their family shame on you I'm gonna remember what people i know said when this was all over

1:18:23 A lot of people are going to have a tough time being proud of how they acted. Did you go around advocating that people get some shot you don't know anything about? Are there gonna be injuries and deaths weighing on your conscience? And I know that i'm in the rabbit hole, and hearing a dozen stories can start to sound like the sky is falling out there But I am hearing dozens of stories of damage and death, and they're kind of flooding out right now as these mandates go into effect. But are the right people finding them on Bitchute? I'm not so sure! I would say though do not resign make them fire you if it comes to that in writing who knows how this is going to go six months from now who knows what kind of lawsuits are going to be happening and you're gonna want it all on paper

1:19:16 Provide your own job with written notices that you are not interested in leaving over this issue. A lot of companies are so scared of lawsuits that they will acquiesce on this Why do you think HR is always trying to establish a long paper trail to cover their asses? But that's the show and I needed these things that Gordon laid out to be on the THC record. I think it was a great use of our time, i really wanted you guys to hear the roadmap so you can prepare and recognize the signs along the way now i'm here they're going to put mRNA vaccine contents in salads because of course! The only food they want us to be able to eat besides crickets? And where is it gonna come from Amazon Whole Foods

1:20:07 Buy up the only high-end organic centric brand and make it a vehicle for your bullshit? Only makes sense because this world is sick right now. It's fucking sick, and I'm losing my patience And people will cheer this on the way they're acting out there Good finally! This is how we get those damn anti vaxxers put it in their salad and don't even label it Yeah just shovel it down my throat with other toxic lab made frankenfood until I glow in the dark Alright, inside voice man. Come on! You can do this And so yes we talked about what's to come longer than I had planned It's also the first time in a long time where the intro doesn't really make sense when it's just applied to the free first hour show But hey i've been doing this thing with Gordon for years now and I got a bit over ambitious

1:21:00 Plus, the material about this agenda is the kind of stuff that builds up. So it's hard to just say okay it's been 30 minutes let's switch gears now that we're at the least talked about and most important parts of this subject and he should get extra credit too for coming out with this over the summer don't forget but when it comes to what's going on right right now and in the near future I think we got to all the important stuff you need to know But yeah, we didn't get into fairies until the second hour. And as a full two-hour show I'm super happy with how this turned out but the way i typically try to do it is to say hey let's lay out the scope of the conversation in the first hour and then we'll dive into deeper details inside threads and my weird weird questions in the second hour but this is more like two separate shows entirely

1:21:55 I even had a good line about King Kong and Godzilla, and i was all excited. And now it's only going out to 5% of the listening audience but look every full show I do I try to make sure it's as good as it can be and that's my job! Then it's up to you to decide how much of the show you hear. If you're judging me on half an interview well that's like reviewing half a movie...I guess I don't care that much So he did the fun stuff in the second hour, that's fine. Plus I know our next interview is going to be about his book Animistic and that's going to be really fun so all in due time but it does articulate how I am a man of two minds this is the biggest boldest capstone cabal campaign of our lifetime how are we not gonna talk about it

1:22:46 But for my own mental health and by extension yours, we have to talk about other things too. I refuse to allow it take up more than half of my time or allow us forget that there are other things happening and more mysteries to explore. I like to get into off-the radar topics...and the COVID agenda certainly isn't off the radar But half of those non-mainstream narrative focus shows I consider to be almost lesson plans for the new world. Doing my part to prepare us for the dominant of wider inclusion, help to focus us on tools we didn't know we had and what we want to see in that new world and the pathways and solutions for how to get there from here. I know a lot of us look at the size of the wave that's coming and it seems intimidating

1:23:41 But I think you know what you need right now. Secure access to local high quality foods and water, a bit of economic diversification maybe accounts at several different places probably best to go local there too? A plan for if there is a false flag solar flare or some sort of major outage? I like to think the grid isn't just one big thing with an on-and-off switch so it would probably be regional to some degree Invoke Jack Sparrow and his nimbleness and optionality. And of course, do the right things to stay mentally and physically healthy! I really don't want to just keep repeating the advice portfolio we've been building up for a couple years now but it's time to shore up our game For getting connected use Telegram Put in your city Find local groups and resistor restaurants & retail lists

1:24:40 It's not a THC meetup, but I'm sure there will be something there for you. Become part of the THC telegram while your there too! And do not fight. Think of every action as a contributor to the global energy meter which way did ya tilt the needle today? Towards negative or positive? If the system wants more stress fear hate violence and aggression Are you inadvertently working for them? Or are you trying to create just as much joy, love, hope acceptance and all the other cheesy words in spite of them and their plans and wishes. How do we reconfigure our relationship to joy rather than just not have it? Such a well phrased question I hope you've been thinking about that because depression isolation just trying to wait it out not good solutions guys

1:25:37 Plan now so you don't break later, because we all have thresholds as we heard today. I feel bad for Gordon being stuck. I know he doesn't need me He's got a lot of friends and acquaintances he'd want to spend his time with all around the globe But it's rare that I can't think of anything to help. I can't get on a flight. I can't put him on a flight I can't do any of the normal things i might do for a friend in a similar situation and it's fucked up. And i'm gonna be a dad in two weeks or so, in this fucking climate! Talking about the idea that digital infrastructure has been the real goal... Climate change oriented credit cards The marriage between us and our digital twin The whittling away of things like conspiracy podcasts

1:26:29 giving you a list of where you can spend your new central bank digital currency just like an insurance company would. I really, really hope that people who value a show like this or a community like RuneSoup will fight to stay apart from it. They're going to make you jump through hoops at some point but let's not spend the good times worried about the potential bad times we all have our own concerns and challenges and will all deal with these things as they come But I hope you feel like you know what your watching for more than this morning. And if ya stuck around for the second hour, you heard a lot of great stuff about Gordons, fairies UFOs and Psy-Course still going on now What is Fairyland like? What is Elfshot? Missing 411 Gravity Altered States & Space Ghosts Jeff Bezos in The Space Orphan Fairy sightings Making Sanctuary Fortune Telling

1:27:25 Action-packed, commercial free. Never one to waste your time! Eight bucks a month is all I ask so that i can do the best job I can do Sign up for PLUS if you feel compelled to help ease my concerns about the digital clampdown or just want twice as much show Take care of you and yours we will roll with the punches and use the advice our great guests have given us We chose this time, you came across this show. You're ready! You've heard it all and are right where you should be...and only moving further in the right direction. Believe and achieve! Check out RuneSoup for more. Big thanks to Gordon as always… And to YOU I'm getting outta here. Your move mandate makers freedom takers and obedient ignorant agents of the Pfizer Moderna Matrix.

1:28:18 Sometimes when I get down, I eat a bunch of corporate junk Stuff that makes you fat Yeah it's a warm-making industry Discipline I mix it up and have to face it Wrong wrong Got an addiction to the digital technology When then I try to quit and leave it be But its too hard See discipline is no fun I deny or wrong Discipline

1:30:17 I'd only have to face Tom's ex-man The big conspiracy And every one of them looks into me