Gordon White | Mythic Time, Actionable Intelligence, & The Anti-Life Archon

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation I'm Greg Carlwood

01:27 These are the Hireside Chats. Well, Happy New Year Hireside Chatters! Or is it? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and there's no avoiding the psychological tendency to assume that turning over a new calendar year marks some sort of turning of the page on the problems we've been dealing with and a fresh start at recreating the world We failed to create last year or the year before that Gym memberships, diet plans, online courses or even dedicating the proper attention to astrological ritual timing and creating a robust magical practice to bend reality to your will. These are the hopes for a new year and the traps of thinking in linear time. Because the truth is that we are in the middle of a much bigger story 2020 brought unexpected horrors that won't go away any faster than that extra holiday wait, but the fruitful advice we've been getting for years from today's returning guest Gordon White about navigating this very chapter in The Big Story is ripe for the taking if you haven't already

02:27 In a record-breaking 12 episodes of Christmas Past, we've talked about everything from Gnosticism and nonhuman logic to animism and the unadvertised secret religion and philosophy of the Archon ridden ruler class. But he's also laid out well in advance many tools from The Magical Toolbox to keep one's head on straight in times like these... ...and ways to position ourselves as not get crushed by the crashing waves of COVID chaos before we even knew what that meant He advised us to be driven yet flexible in that Jack Sparrow way just before it became totally necessary. Said that we can make a bigger difference by not going after Sauron directly, but by learning permaculture practices aligning with the good and living in accordance with the book of Bilbo

03:14 And he reminded us of the importance of becoming truly invincible, as if we knew that we were due for the largest fear-based capture campaign the world has probably ever seen under the guise of a selfless elite loving humanity like Lenny loved The Rabbit. The breadcrumbs were laid for mental financial and magical armor so how prepared do you feel? If you're new, Gordon is the author of Starships, Pieces of Eight and The Chaos Protocols. And he's also the headmaster of the world's best magic school at RuneSoup dot com He's taught me way more than I can remember or regurgitate awkwardly in a thousand podcast appearances on my own The destroyer of technocratic dystopias, the wizard of Waverley Places and the newly crowned president of Permaculture Tasmania My pig-chimp hybrid hombre from another hemisphere Gordon my man Welcome back

04:03 Thanks great picture that's way back that's like episode one or two is it. Yes it is i try to work in as many of them as i could and its like such a habit i formed trying out line against previous appearances in those interest but, When we're on lucky number 13, it's hard to get deeper than the broad strokes. Yeah but also like I was thinking that beforehand and i'm like what's Greg gonna say this time because... ...I haven't done anything this year! It's usually like you know version one of 2020 was going to be We would have been in the jungle and all these other things right? So i'm like ah he's gonna have to dip into the repeats And Pigchimp is there simpler times Yes yes to say the least

04:48 And through those times, we have talked about so much. You've shared so many valuable insights across many hours but I do think it's really important to stop for a minute and focus on what this all really says about me and my skills as a counterculture talent scout clearly. Yeah I'm just half kidding, although I do know how to pick them. And let's kick this off with a little bit more about time because of where we are, maybe it will be helpful medicine to people if we're lucky but you did a recent podcast with Katherine Fink that was largely about mythic time versus linear time and

05:24 got a lot out of it, but you said things in there like linear time is a bizarre spell and that it is the ultimate Empire prison. And of course there are many spells and mental cul-de-sac prisons in the Western bubble that we tend to latch on to that we find don't really exist much outside of that bubble and time has gotta be one of these things but why is times such an important one to get right? Because to some extent everything runs on it. I know that sounds silly, but more than that we definitely don't have it right so I don't think It's a question of like oh We need to get time right? I think we need to realize that we don't have it Right and one of the most damaging things we've done is to separate it out from place or

06:10 everything else, right? And this is a sort of enlightenment guess or premise that we can do that as our measurements and little clocks got better and better. Because none of the Psi data or even some of the decent physics suggests that time is a fundamentally separate thing or aspect of the universe so at the very baseline we have it wrong because we think its sort of separate from everything else but in the case of the so called West The enlightenment which is that period of time about three and a half centuries ago where we decided we were clever than anyone else in it literally was not the same way that the renaissance was. I self declared thing which was they self-declared renewal, classical wisdom and intervening years which we shouldn't but still call the dark ages with times of savagery. And sort of a full intellect the enlightenment with this idea

07:05 that we have for the first time ever lifted ourselves out of superstition. And everything that came before it and all other peoples were savage, primitive and superstitious including ourselves but with the arrival of basically the machine metaphor or this idea that the universe is this intricate machine that can be wholly understood with a sort of disparate and disconnected or dissociated rather scientific observation principles and to be wholly understood by it. That was sort of important It's a silly belief, it's a superstitious belief of itself. That's why Bruno Latour says we've never been modern but out of that comes linear time because the enlightenment bakes into its own advertising that the world will continue to get better as we do more science and you know wonder about the globe with our little measuring devices and pull

07:57 plants out of the soil in Western Australia and press them into a book and send them back to London, and all these kind of things. This is ever improving or ever enlightening process. And linear time was one of those things it was an ever increasing in kinda like minutiae where we get the word minute from idea that the universe is precisely ordered. It travels in one direction at a fixed speed from beginning to end like the great machines that were building in the 18th and 19th century So anywhere else in the world, that is not how time is conceptualized. And importantly that's not at all how we experience it. So even within the schools of European philosophy, we have something like phenomenology which will tell you that that's not here. Reality exists—this is an oversimplification—reality exists in that experiential moment and when you're in love

08:52 and you are separated from your lover, time goes slowly. When you're a child and it's the holidays time goes really fast. And when you're stoned that's a really good one in fact it can be both depending on what you're doing but the whole kind of point is that we've never until 350 years ago considered time to be linear and separate from everything else and precisely marching into an ever-enlightening future. And that has political implications, right? So if you look at how – and this is sort of an interesting double empire hit here for people who don't know Michael Palin well he's a member of Monty Python but he was famous in the 90s for his series of BBC documentaries travel documentaries and one of the ones was traveling through Africa by train

09:42 And there are trains in africa that won't leave until they're full and sending you get this in buses and cusco and so on where the time. The vehicle is when the people actually already to go Now that's really inclusive and it sort of a use of technology the lines with how humans have moved before so when it was time to move camp hundred fifty thousand years ago you look at your clock and say we leave at seven thirteen am if not leaving at the time left behind. The value of the human experience at the moment is captured in how we live. And that's very much displaced in an imperial model, particularly when it comes to trains and Greenwich Mean Time and all the rest of it. The train leaves at 713 AM because that is when time is real. If you're late by a minute or otherwise aren't ready to go—that doesn't mean disorganization—you see how that's displaced living?

10:41 Because it may not be this organization that made just the things happen in life and we used to have that as an awareness of time if you look at how together is now even. And this is sort of famous anthropological examples of encounters in Aboriginal Australia, where the anthropologist might be told okay so tomorrow morning we're going fishing. So he'll show up on the beach and no one will be there and hang around for a bit and head back to camp or wait and then everyone will mysteriously show up at 1pm. Now is fishing time! It's that intuitive experience when the fish are running and all that kind of

11:17 and embedded an organic understanding of time that we've completely abandoned, even though that's how we experience it. Good points! I definitely think the time conversation is some really good stoner mind-bending stuff because we are so conditioned to think in these terms but cycles of time and the overlap with the big operation have definitely been on my my mind a lot lately. And on the subject of time, we are recording this not long after the grand conjunction everyone's been buzzing about and way back at the 2019 Portland event you and Austin were both saying look if you think things are crazy now with Trump in this impeachment well strap in it's gonna get nuts

11:59 And clearly there's value in an astrological forecast like that. I've just been a big fan of looking at the space weather, as you call it and Looking at the road ahead and i heard you in austin's forecast for the first half of this year and it sounds like the storm has just started and twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two are sort of a package deal. It might not be the news we want to hear but i'd rather be prepared for the reality what is the astrology telling us to expect yeah like he said in the intro we uh,

12:36 even not necessarily psychologically, it's almost economically conditioned to have this New Year moment as our beginning or reset point. And how dare you? I'm clearly going to lose the holiday weight in January like everyone else! But again if we sort of step outside that artificial framework of time and move into...and i have this kind of flex where i say astrology is 100% real And it's a joke because people kind of talk about astrology in the wrong way. It's a language, right? So astrology is 100% real or 100% true because it is a language of meaning and how we'd be in a moment and it contains within it some predictive mechanisms that can give you above-chance predictions, right? But that's usually what people are arguing about when they say whether they think astrology is real and fake

13:25 there's no such thing as a fake language. Even Klingon is a real language, right? So I have this flex where I say astrology is 100% true and what I mean by that it's a language of meaning in a way of understanding relationality and things like time and so on. And I think it's more satisfying because it contains within the invitation to improve yourself in a well-being sense or just be more satisfied with how you live your life and all the rest of it. In some respects, this is a flow model thing. There's never an beginning and end of time. There's never ironically enough a great reset. There is the flow and relation of things and forces throughout it so if we're looking at 2021 around now-ish like

14:11 Moves in really long term cycles and the great conjunction at the beginning of a new tripplicity is one of them which I'll return to. But what you can essentially see is that a lot of stuff that happened in the model in 2020, it's still in play and what that means is how that necessarily limits or warps how changes in the so-called space weather can occur in the next couple of years. And the longer term configurations tell a story of 2021 and 2022 being best thought off as one adventure, I guess. So to some extent you could either say New Year's was... Well, a new multi century year was The Great Conjunction

15:00 But in another sense, 2021 begins during Aquarius season where Austin and I were talking. Austin in particular said this is where it's like six of the seven planets are going to be an aquarius they're gonna be in a one spot this is where we get the update so It's where The new rules become visible and particularly rules to do with governance And control and so on because what you've had there Saturn and Jupiter, this is the great conjunction in the change in triplicity have moved. We have them both at least at that point in time in Aquarius. So Saturn and Aquarius are a different control mechanism to Saturn and Capricorn which we've just moved out of. Saturn rules both these signs but Capricorn is an Earth one. And we've just gone through the greatest imprisonment of humans so Saturn is finite and locking in strict time and so on

15:54 in people's homes ever and that satin in Capricorn. We're moving or have moved into Saturn Aquarius where Aquarius is still ruled by Saturn but it's an air sign so the governance or control or policing is things like drones and apps and QR codes, and all the rest of it. I saw this coming. Austin and I have been talking about this triplicity change for about five years now. It's been one of our best predictions particularly when it comes to, I think the triplicity of air we're moving into. The triplicity is a collection of configurations that

16:32 Tell the story of the governance of the planet and we've just finished a trip to the earth which coincided with. The rise of european empires and so the idea of governance in value, is tied up with land. And we've moved into an air one and I said this is well, we do become multi planetary in the next two centuries right if we aren't already but that becomes data is the new land so that at beginning of year turned out to be pretty good when I say beginning of a year we are recording this at the end of 2020. That turned out to be pretty good. An also it's like era of UFOs but its UFOs in sense

17:10 Boeing tech, not necessarily little green men. So we're moving into the world of 5G satellites and COVID common passes and all the rest of it governance and value has melted into air if you will. And so this is what I mean astrology's 100% true because it gives us a language to talk about things and find meaning in context in them. We will get that kind of Aquarian update So we will see the shape of how at the very least, the governance plan intends to go from let's say mid February which is not surprising one way or another. One way or another you'll have a president for better and worse by then? And the rumor is if it's Biden which its overwhelmingly likely to be

18:03 there's all these stories about, well we'll have a hundred day mask mandate or 100 day lockdown or so on. One way or the other will know from February how they're trying to roll that kind of stuff out. That's not the end of the story that's just where the plan is announced because Uranus is very disrupting and is in Taurus and there are some Uranus Saturn squares coming up which as Austin mentions tells the story of unrest and resistance to the plan. It always does, it's not just now its unrest is guaranteed in that process continues for a couple of years that's what Austan meant about we should consider 2021 and 2022 to be however exhausting 2020 was the one year uh in terms of how we sit with it and what we choose to do not just where we find meaning in it but tactically what we choose to do so it's more like if people think although I can't imagine anyone listening to this show would

18:58 now that we have this experimental gene therapy available for everyone, we can go back to whatever you thought normal life was before. It's just not in play in any of the models. There is more of this to run and yeah so I think that's kind of the story of it there are and crucially coming back to how people should absorb information like this listen to show whatever unfolded into their own scenario planning which people struggle with, and it's disappointing. I mean i have had a background...a career that required me to kind of do it but Americans in particular, because of the narrative you guys, that sort of American dream boondoggle you're forced to grow up in

19:40 aren't very good at the hope for the best, plan for the worst. There seems to be a shoot-for-the stars and fuck it if it doesn't work idea and that's really dangerous! It's good like it's inspiring but hope for the best plan for the worst is how I want people to sit with the range of scenarios that could happen And that's why I think there is a lot of medicine in thinking in longer term cycles and so on. To be in a position to respond rather than react, as what I said on the show – you want to get to be there and we do stuff like talk about cycles and other forecasting models amongst the membership and so on not as a hobby. We talked about this before but…I like conspiratainment

20:27 It is kind of like Sudoku for people who don't like Sudoku, right? What do you expect to do once you're collecting facts and so on. I retain that chaos magician cunning folk approach which is encounter information looking for actionable intelligence. So I don't necessarily need to solve silly things I'm not sure where the upside is of working out whether you or having an opinion on whether you think this apparent virus came from a lab in Wuhan, or bat soup? Or not even there. Right? What are you going to do if you solve that definitively? Like how does that roll into your plans for your scenario plans for the next couple of years it doesn't and what people kind of find effect

21:16 or potential fact that they like and ossify around it, like they're generating a pearl. So you'll find in well I'm sure you know this but in Conspiratainment Man there are some people who will not be moved off the idea that this is a Chinese bioweapon right? And so every other component that comes into it now that we find out that it's got a 99.99% recovery rate it's like oh well then it's a bungled one or it's waiting a couple of years and it'll do another thing or what have you. You guys That's not how you scenario plan. You kind of move back to, and we said this at the very beginning I'm quite proud of this because I had virus-pilled myself years before doing Starships that people need to bracket what they think a virus is and you can look at that as a separate project to come to an opinion on what viruses are and what they do and bracket that and then Move into the scenario planning but if you're fixated on

22:10 It's a bioweapon you're too far downstream from some of the stuff you need to do that does provide actionable intelligence right because you need to sit with what you think viruses are and how you think they work because you need to make immediate health interventions in your life. And if you're just saying bioweapon, you kind of too far down away from the exercise and dietary and meditational things and supplemental things that you can do to be like well whatever it is I'm good now. Right? That's the bit that i think people necessarily struggle with and it's made worse by the amount of fear porn that like unprecedented in the history of the world we've been through but

22:49 But I like cycle models and astrology, just circling back to your question for that reason that it forces you in a funny way into a kind of scenario planning. Because you look at what's coming without trying to play the Sudoku game of be like oh well that'll be when Biden puts masks on everyone and blah blah blah You don't have to, because you might be wrong about that. You don't have to drop down into a finite prediction. You can stay up in the model saying like we get an update of the plan to do with governance and control around February so mid-February. So between now and then try and survive

23:30 try and stay in your house if you're being evicted, all that kind of stuff. And say I can't really make my long-term plans or rather it's better to attempt some longer term plans mid February ish right? And that's the kind of medicine that's available in these models and it's not to say that the conspiracy stuff isn't fun, but what I mentioned in some of the premium member presentations in 2020 is you'll still have guests on about JFK in the next few years. This stuff doesn't ever get solved, this stuff becomes endless and not this isn't even bad. This stuff becomes an endless field of speculation how many people really died blah blah blah like this is going to go on for decades right? And there's even value or dare I say enjoyment in it in the same way people are trying to solve what happened at Roswell what happened to JFK or whatever now this is another one of those events

24:23 In the meantime, it's also one we're living through. So you don't need to solve it to extract the actionable intelligence to move forward and have like the best and most coherent life that is available or on offer for the next few years." Yes exactly I do agree with you and We have been pretty critical on critiquing conspiracy culture especially in the later shows that we've done The more recent ones And It Is a classic problem of getting hung up on those little details getting caught in the weeds on was it. X y or z and we will never know and that's kind of my attitude is i like talking to different guests who have different perspectives but i try not to get attached, do anyone there definitely some that rank higher than others in terms of their possibility but yeah its hard like in peace times we could talk about missing 411 and big

25:20 foot and have a good time but i guess i'm trying to build some weird bridge between conspiratorial man and conspira edgy ten men's i don't know what it's tough things are so much more serious than they were not speculation anymore and i want people who have that skeptical conspiracy background. You know this should make your life better as we said before Yeah, it's horse to water stuff. And there is really only... So let me describe it this way once all this happened from the very beginning I've been reasonably proud of my characterization of it bracket the virus and look at how we're going to end up which is app based

26:03 permissioning to get you anywhere out of your house, be it the supermarket or another country. That being the center of bulldozing the real economy so it can be built on this new platform and that's happened slash is happening but consequently I've had nine months in my personal life repositioning the things that I wanted to do or re-positioning or redirecting it towards a changed range of scenarios because... It's funny like with these models You can know the when but not necessarily what so we kind of did that in the beginning of year with some of armstrong models and what have you. 2020 and this for people who came to information is all there in the members area there's a sequence of courses that allow you to kinda sit with what is available to you what kinda baseline

26:55 Fullback position in some of the worst case scenarios and how to go about building them and getting to a state of coherence for where we are now at the beginning of twenty twenty one. Do kind of move forward the magician's job is to change, the probable into possible that's gonna be kinda like my watchword for twenty twenty one but you can't do that if u haven't looked fearlessly at the best view of what you think is happening and adjusted your life to match the range of scenarios that you think are now more or less likely. This doesn't mean, this is a thing right? Like it doesn't mean although if you can afford one its lovely place in the world but it doesnt' mean having a bunker next to Elon Musk on the south island of New Zealand necessarily but it does

27:42 What are your worst case scenarios? It's not expecting them, that to make sure you have a policy so if you need it it is there. And kind of moving up that chain and having a range of stuff and there is tremendous pivot I think people are too afraid to do. And it's a special kind of fear because it's a refusal to realize that the world doesn't work the way they think it does, so they're losing a world and this is what's left of sort of their remaining liberal scolds is that it is scarier for them to look at the real world than it is to stay in this kind of like hostile prison. Did you remember watching, I was thinking about this the other day, Empire Of The Sun? That Spielberg film from like the 80s or

28:23 It's been a long time, but yeah. Yeah so when they're on that forced march and they come across all those Rolls Royces in the desert and there is some woman who is like no let's just stay having me traumatized out of their home she was gonna stay there and basically starve or die of thirst as they continue the force march because she recognized the cars and just sitting in this car going let's just stay here. It's all very like land before time instead of finding a great value find this little oasis and lets stay here it's fine, its that kind of no if you stay in denial of what is really happening You are more likely to be destroyed by it right like it's that sort of you can't even metaphor for that and it doesn't try not to scare people or the whenever I do. I can tell its because they're attached to this world like the stuff that i've done is actually quite i think what twenty twenty quite hopeful because it's

29:15 Looking with fearlessness at the world and then adjusting your kind of trajectories towards. Join flourishing anyway but this is i think what people need to do it's a skill right like like scenario planning if people don't know how to do it, that kind of just bamboozled by the fear right right well it isn't class in the rockefeller education system funny enough what is shot yes On the subject of strategy and things like bracketing the virus, in your vertical line presentation you talk a lot about how to have the conversation. And you say not to go too hard on terrain theory or on viruses directly which is pretty much the exact opposite of what I've been doing

29:59 But to me, the terrain theory literature has been great medicine for the fear and moving the conversation away from well what is COVID? Is it 5G? Is it a bioweapon? Is it just a hoax which is one of those low res arguments that we want to avoid. Well I think we've all settled on where we are when it comes to that stuff at this point, and now a little more on the Allison McDowell stuff. You say in this presentation that to boil their highest goal down to a sentence they are not replacing a currency, they're replacing the very idea of currencies with a digital control system

30:40 And I agree that that's the play, but. I want to ask you about the catalyst because much like where we are now we could read between the lines of what they would say and we knew where they wanted to go but many of us didn't see the trigger that was COVID-19 until it happened and then were like oh okay this is how we get there! But when it comes to moving to a tokenized digital currency That feels like a very tall order to me and I guess i have a bit of a blind spot as to the rationale that will have everyone turning in their dollars for Fed coin. What say you? Well, the important thing is this is the other piece of hope right is that this doesn't succeed so what i said to allison when she was on the sort of private member show as well because i love her is

31:33 The tragedy is we have to deal with the attempted implementation and then its failure. And how that plays out is that not enough people will work out what's actually happening in time to stop it, but in time to make sure it doesn't get implemented. So that's the difference where at a point now where somewhere between 60% and 70% approval rates for you know, this unprecedented attack on the working class and the lumpenproletariat which is the most classic progressive thing. In the history of mankind there has never been an attack on the working class quite like this. And it has about a 60 to 70 percent approval at the moment by the end of next year that'll put in the US it'll drop down to about 40 percent which is proper civil unrest numbers so

32:23 It won't work, and it's already not working. So we can talk about civil unrest in general where although its media blackouts particularly in the US enormous protests in Germany and Spain and so on and France although that's a separate category And certainly there has been in the US as well. But if you look at, so for instance the absurd lockdowns in London just before Christmas for this spurious idiotic 70% more transmissible nonsense that came out of the same Imperial College criminals that the original formulations of how many people are gonna die did so complete crap right on schedule but look at the difference in how londoners behaved today tremendous credit vs say much of this year when i was in fact therefore.

33:08 they didn't sit at home going, oh this is worrying. A couple of million of them swarmed the train stations and roads to get out of town before it came in. That's actually civil unrest! My parents did the same thing to come down to the farm here in Tasmania for Christmas because a smattering of clearly false positive, because all the stuff you've spoken about before positive PCR test in a part of Sydney led to, as inevitably overreactions of potential border closures and all the rest of it. So they flew down here a few days early to make sure they actually could get here for Christmas

33:44 This is civil unrest. So what you're actually seeing is a change in sentiment and the population when it happens, where we expect it to be placards and David Icke talking in Trafalgar Square and it is that but the stuff you need to make sure your observing as things like that my parents are like boomers My dad's a retired doctor which by the way he knows Find the older doctors and find the ones who will tell you that the official story is shite, shall we say. But yeah so when it comes to how do you think they'll do it I know how they think they'll do it Because Europe's used to this. You'll have a month to hand your dollars in or convert them, at which point they will no longer become legal tender but it doesn't happen to the US dollar first because the majority of physical dollars are outside the U.S., so it's sort of impossible to cancel because it will still have a market as a currency outside the U.S even if it is canceled right? So this is one of the many reasons why it won't work and you can be confident in saying that Greg, say I don't know how maybe um...you actually know a lot about crypto

34:44 So you know that infrastructurally we are not there yet. They want to roll this out as soon as possible, particularly in Europe, to save the Euro project but the infrastructure isn't there it's what 5G is for of course so that you need ubiquitous 5g to have your currency replacement which is why nothing will stop it, which is tragic. We just need to find mitigation means around it." But you're completely correct. It's like I don't see how they do it doesn't matter they think they're smarter than you and they're going to do it so but the good news is it goes up and comes down that's also the bad news because we don't actually live in the tyranny that Alison describes. We live in the attempted implementation of it until enough of us realize this is not what's going on and its actually that process

35:32 brings into play some of the starkest scenarios in the sort of 2020 years, 2022 to 2027 that Martin Armstrong and others are looking at which is civil war breakup of the US extremely high risk of international war by 2027. So this decade is going to suck. That doesn't mean it's all over. It's something you have to look at clearly I draw inspiration from my grandmother's life she got a scholarship She got a scholarship to london from australia and then will broke out in all scholarships avoid by the time. What was over she's married had family and so there is none of that for women at the time anymore she still have a great life

36:15 And things will happen, because this is what happens on Earth. Things will happen that will get in the way of your dreams. That doesn't mean you stop dreaming. That doesn't mean you don't move towards joy and coherence and having a happy life. In fact those things in particular become more important in 2021 because they are a theatre of conflict with the Archons so resonating with life in that animus sense like actual vital energy of being with friends eating grass fed animal products and all these things that are what being human is under assault so to do them is not just an active resistance it's a restoration of the living field is a it is essential magical act because we're in a field war.

36:59 if you look at what they're trying to do with, you know these non-pharmaceutical interventions that do nothing like masks and keeping people separate. It's an assault on the living field in humans' natural tendency towards coherence so you cohere regardless. You find ways of doing it right? What's your sad i have that exact statistic in my notes that you know seventy percent of people agree with these protocols now and it will drop to forty within or about ten to twelve months and. With that as like the book ends on on the next year,

37:35 i kind of hate to think how much worse it will have to get to flip thirty percent of people knowing how much they love the mainstream story like for them to really flip for the average guy to flip true who. True gonna be rough i mean their heads really gonna be advice this year things so like in a presentation you mentioned, remember area all i have in terms of Nice things to say about that is the Napoleonic idea of never interrupt your enemy when he's in the process of making a mistake. So you can kind of feel in the area because I know people, you need to realize that magicians are better at this or anyone who's kind of involved in magical spirit in that way. You were playing a much bigger game and you just need to feel out

38:21 Because I know people are going to want to intervene. So well, let's get into the streets. Let's march and i'm like it's not the time this comes back to time right so in the same way you can feel when it is time to go fishing And that's when you show up to the beach otherwise there's no point There's no fish there It is not the time for that because as we've seen you kind of effectively out on your own not necessarily on your own, but it doesn't shift the field yet. It will and in some places it's really starting to. I mean California where you are is a good example where although there's a lot of middle class jobs there you guys are probably in the 50-60 range of approval, 50-60 percent range of approval but like it's unevenly distributed this isn't Armstrong civil unrest

39:07 model prediction, right? But for it to get to 40% it will have to get worse. Again if we know this, we can be in a state of coherence and it does come back to maybe where this question began which is how do you talk to people friends and loved ones about it and about this moment I'm in that situation. I've got a sister in France who was very much imprisoned by this fear-based world story Most of the time we all just let it pass because she's not ready to have that discussion. So you kind of can't do anything, my dad joke I think i've used on the show how many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? One but the light bulb has one to change and its field shift that changes now You can argue people into new positions so if you want help or intervene or do things now It's at level operating with living field and that will help them

40:03 don't argue with people who are imprisoned by fear or don't get into arguments with them. It makes it worse, it's an assault on the field when you do that right? So you either ignore it or if it is forced into discussion and you need to work out this comes back to what you think the virus is what world story they're in are they in This is a dangerous deadly new disease that emerged from the wet market in Wuhan in November of last year, well November 2019 for when this comes out. You need to work out where they are because there are patient responses to that so in that case you go well it actually isn't that deadly

40:40 And don't argue with him, but to say there are now very good official data that shows that this has a 99.99% recovery and that's based on its psychopaths. That Irish psychopath at the World Health Organization who in May said we'd have to take children out of people's homes every time he tries to scare people he just adds another 10 million to the guests of people who've been infected by this Every time and so every day he does that it's so dumb. It actually brings the recovery rate down, it's like you said oh I reckon 200 million people on the earth have had it and get ready because another 500 are going to and I'm like well then gives it a 99.99% anyway yeah beside the point is whatever story or in you make it about you when you say it right? So for people who are maybe

41:25 recapitulating some of the arguments they've had over the holiday season now that we're in January. The next time you have that opportunity, you can kind of patiently say well whilst I think there is cause for concern there is also an opportunity to ameliorate that concern by looking at some of these data especially as fear is extremely immunosuppressive and that's you in to say how I am processing this or how i am sitting with this unprecedented health incident, or however you want to say it again depending on where they are is to look at these data and not operate out of a place of fear because its immunosuppressive. And you kind of say I'm sitting with alternatives as a medicinal method for me and if you do that because there... You've got to give them an opportunity

42:15 not admit their fear, but realize that they aren't the only person who's afraid because otherwise it's a... Anger is usually a cover for fear. So you jump straight to an argument because people are in that state of fear about losing the world and so on but you just can't I recognize the urgency of it everyone does But you cannot argue people into a state of awareness and save the world It's never happened! It's not just now It's never happened. Any kind of great shift in how civilizations rise and fall, you don't intervene by yelling at your aunt at Christmas and then marching on Washington. It's not what happens now! Other things do right? But it's so important this is the scenario planning stuff it's so important to see that and to realize that when you do operate when you do react from this idea but she's wrong and this is all wrong yes it is

43:10 It is, but you don't get to solve it. Solutionism is part of the problem right? So one of my favorite guests I had on in 2019 was Dr Bayo Okomolafe who's a sort of he has this idea called post-activism. He's a Nigerian born philosopher and psychologist and he has this idea called post activism and it's a really good way of phrasing it. He says what if the way we respond to the crisis is part of the crisis And crisis is non-specific there. It is about things like climate alarmism and inequality, and so on. But the question is what if the way we respond to the crisis as part of the crisis? And it's rhetorical because it is! That's why he has post activism when we had discussions around making sanctuary and other things you can in fact do because responding to a crisis is solutionism. It is to jump back into that

44:02 Metaphor of the universe is a machine that you can fix like replace this spigot and just this part in the universe isn't a machine it's alive. That's not how you participate in the ongoing livings of a living universe so, when u feel compelled to yell at your aunt and march on washington realize that you fallen back into that world story that has given us this Colossal fuck of disasters and psychopathic billionaires in the first place and good news is that well is ending the bad news is it falls to us to live through thrive in and be the thing that comes after.

44:42 And that's really optimistic. As in, I find optimism in it rather than that's an optimistic assessment. It's a guaranteed assessment. That's what we have to do right? Like that's just 100% prediction but I find optimism because it frees you from convincing people of things and having to like fall into arguments and so on. Again this is a...and I don't want to use a war metaphor because I was about say this is a battle that has many fronts But it is something like that but it's like a movement or dance that has many movements so for instance, I spent the last nine months getting the premium members and so on in a situation where they can be those things that have to come next right. But your situation is different at least in short term

45:32 which by the way, not only am I a regular guest on the show. I think i'm the only one who's also a THC plus member that comes on regularly yeah so may I take this opportunity to speak for my fellow THC plus members and tell you to shut up when you disparage your appearances in other shows and your capacity be a mouthpiece for what's going on because we don't expect you to have the answers, but we go with you in the journey of finding them. You are to be congratulated for doing so Greg I think it was...I know we spoke about this in June and there was kind of like moment couple weeks after that where he like no fuck it! I'm gonna get out there and get as many people as they can to cohere around

46:17 The right way of being with this information what we need to do and so you had to be congratulated for it but that is quite so that is a combative thing that needed to happen. It doesn't mean we are passive when I say you need to not fall into that war story, but you don't go on that show to win an argument. You go on that show so that people can realize they are tremendously empowered to take sovereignty over their own health and literally not die of whatever's going on. That's the message you bring right? So yeah let me just say congratulations and also on behalf of THC members stop saying mean things about yourself we come here

46:53 Two kinds, two kinds. But yeah I mean strategy is very important i've asked so many guests and usually i don't get a much better answer than well we're not all gonna make it and i hate that answer so i appreciate what you're saying there And one of my best strategies in the inner circle of friends and family has been just to say look we have the data that fear is bad for our health and also that community in laughter is good for our health mental and otherwise so i really have no choice but to kind of put this out of mind then if you wanna grab a beer on down to do that, and maybe just want advertise it online that we gathered but. I jus think without having to get deep into the whole thing inside what we know that good times

47:38 Put us in a good mental state and fear is bad. So like what other choice do we have but to use that information? Despite what's going on and just kind of live our lives, then we don't have to talk much about it beyond that I think because you are actually healing people when you do that And that's kinda why when I talked to my sister I let her whine about Oh panic about I hate calling it cases. A case used to have a clinical definition, which was a positive test of some description with presentation of symptoms anyway. But she'll say there's all these cases in the east of France and what a shock it's two weeks after some festival and I'm like oh god! She's not at the stage yet where I can even drop into that viral world story

48:22 you know, viruses cause disease and are these little particles that move around and whatever. But she's not ready for me to drop in and say asymptomatic transmission is almost non-existent and surface based transmission is nonexistent. And this is World Health Organization numbers they just don't tell you about like I can't even she's not ready for that yet but She's in a place of fear and kind of isolated because she lives in, well not isolated. She got her family there but not the family she grew up with which was all in Australia so the best thing is to keep talking to her rather than getting an argument about fucking the French case Deming for that reason which is it's healing you are called to do that and it sucks because not like we're right and they're wrong because they're 100% wrong and where just definitionally mostly wrong because that's just how this goes You're not at Davos right?

49:15 But you can make the world better by alleviating someone's fear or giving them actual healthful advice. And it's not just the fear stuff, but like we've chatted before and I think it's hilarious...I was not expecting although I'm massively pro-keto and have been for years, I was not expecting the keto community to be the cavalry I needed. But literally three weeks under 20 carbohydrate grams a day and you will not die of this thing, whatever your chronic conditions are or so on. You are three weeks of a low-carb diet away from the prison fear like that's mental! You can be an obese accountant in his or her mid 50s And yeah, you'll still be overweight by then but the actual inflammation and cytokines that comes with the modified carbohydrates and seed oils

50:02 Will the diminished dramatically so that when you do encounter like a negative health experience it's not gonna kill you that plus vitamin d and sunlight and meditation and being happy. You can do this you can actually help people with if you are that scared put down the cheetos. Right right that is something that i really kind of been dancing around a lot this year as i go to walmart and i see, three hundred pound people with greasy hair in their stomach popping out of there sure they got gloves and mask on my oh your really concerned about your health you really thought about your house haven't yet it's just

50:44 so much easier to go with the narrative that the gloves and the mask will protect me rather than actually take the reins of this thing cuz it's very difficult an armor up your immune system but clearly we know that you know not everyone does get to come with his credit cards because of that. And the shows that you were doing, it's funny. You've been all over the Rockefeller Medicine stuff to your tremendous credit for years. Some of those health and pharma episodes are historically I think the best. It's where I first encountered Del Bigtree and so on right? So it is The World Story Of Rockefeller Medicine which tells them yes, you are allowed

51:21 Carbohydrates should be at the bottom of your food pyramid, and it doesn't matter if they're genetically modified. And you should stay at home and wait for a experimental gene therapy, then go back to your normal healthful life of fast food and sedentary living! That is the world story. A lot of people don't want to leave that. It is better for them sitting on the couch having poor people deliver food to them waiting for an experimental gene therapy. I mean that's the class attack right there i mean not obviously a while ago was from the very beginning by the anti these house arrest but

52:03 places like America and to some extent Australia the same, that didn't really happen. It was the middle class stayed home or the working class brought them things like that's not the same. That's true it's true The class analysis speaks for itself but people aren't ready to leave that world story yet and I'm not sure if it'll suck but I'm not sure what it is that will get them to change that where we're going to live through Yeah not my favorite couple years i will say that and no to make this more weird you did mention our cons earlier and we have talked a lot in past shows about the elite secret religion and their unadvertised belief system. And we've tried to introduce a better take to the conspiracy culture than the overly simplistic they're just a bloodthirsty cabal of one dimensional baby satanist,

52:57 But when it comes to the spiritual aspects of this operation, you say, Well that is provocative. Can you elaborate on the unseen forces and motivations that are at play in this overall op? What do you mean by what you said there?" Sure. So I am most days an animist, which means spirits are real and so archons form...so that is a metaphor in the sense that i don't think this entity is like literally wearing them as finger puppets right? But this one of the cycle models that I first encountered as a kid was in Robert Anton Wilson's books in Cosmic Trigger and it was the Westwood movement of capital model. So if you look at say

53:49 China about 400 BC and then you kind of move through the Near East or actually even earlier than that. But let's say you go from Sumer in Egypt to Rome, to the rise of like Spanish and Portuguese empires, to the rise of the British Empire, and then of course the rise of America but the American story is an east coast one because it's a sort of bankers on Wall Street And then it becomes a west coast one which was before his time Bob Wilson's time but we've lived through that which is the Silicon Valley the movement of capital and power into something like Silicon Valley, which we're experiencing now. It is in the process in the next decade of moving it to China. There's this model through history of the center of capital moving westward, kind of circulating right? This entity that this is the ultimate expression but by the same token final expression, it's the boss fight with the sort of AI technocrat demon that is

54:44 powering the Silicon Valley view of the world. It is this managerialist idea that the world is better and has improved under full supervision and governance, it's literally the sin of the demiurge or Lucifer in some characterizations of it right? So to do a broad Gnostic cosmology – there are problems with doing It's this idea that there is an entity that wishes to replicate God's capacity to create, and sort of creates the physical world. And depending on if you're Valentinian or whatever, human souls are trapped down here in a kind-of power it Matrix style right? So

55:32 It can create it can only government and this entity is kinda like. A tyrannical toddler at a birthday where it's trying to force people you go play on the horse now when you do the bouncing castle in its sort of trying to bully people into a semblance of life Because it thinks it's better so this demon and that's its finger puppets really think there is fundamentally no difference between children being in a classroom however problematic that structures anyway and children sitting at home staring at the screen having no human contact what do you mean it's the same thing. It's not an entity they cannot tell the difference, is this icon AI as a demon is this being that is literally trying to control

56:19 creation because it thinks it can improve on it if things that is out of order or replete with redundancies and legacy systems which is God bless Whitney Webb, one of the things she found with her early foyers. The Pentagon and military-industrial complex is in a technocratic race with China because it views Western civilization as having too many legacy systems which include things like driving to work or going to school all that stuff we would call life but that's the difference so this entity and it is the final play for it right because

56:58 So what happens, why this was reasonably predictable for me was not just the timings but if you looked at what was going on in terms of financial markets and sort of post Bretton Woods stuff that happened in 2018. In the lead up to it, the repo crisis we had about 13, was January 2021 now let's say end of 2018 would have brought down the euro if it wasn't for going direct because there was no opportunity or appetite to bail it out and the euro in the Eurozone is a cornerstone of this project because it is, to some extent, the test run. And it's where people who've never had a real job get to spend entire careers not paying tax technocratically governing people right? So it's no surprise to me that the biggest or most immediate hit as far as I can tell on the models before hits the US happens in EU because its all part

57:51 Expansion and collapse of this entity's attempt to control the world. So I had Dr Farrell on the show earlier, and i'm really interested in his kind of use of the Tower of Babel as a sort of repeated moment in history. This is one of them so I like the Gnostic metaphor set better, but you can say that this is an attempt to build Babel. So replacing currency with a gamified set of permissions in an app that controls everything including where you can go and what you're allowed to eat and so on is a tower of Babel. That's why I had him on the show to talk about it. And they always fall. I think archetypally events like that—and this comes back to how we don't understand time—I think the Tower of Babel

58:34 is always falling and something terence mckenna said which i love is rome falls nine times a day and there's something we would have better languages for this if we were you know dynastic egyptian or whatever but there are certain events that demonstrate to us that our experience of time is not linear and they're these deep archetypal events and one of them is this like we are and you can do a Philip K Dick thing and say the empire never ended, and we're all kind of in this weird hologram projection on top of the third century AD Roman Empire. That kinda works too — not necessarily physically true as much as it is a useful metaphor. We're in that moment so that's what I mean this is an entity that is making the same play it always does

59:23 Because it thinks it knows better how you should live your life and how life should operate on earth. And that's the big metaphor statement, right? Underneath it you get all the smaller versions of that ghastly idea, like the Gateses wanting there to be fewer brown people on Earth and all that kind of eugenic stuff. That's awful obviously but they are subsets of this macro delusion, this macro-arconic Luciferian whatever word you want for it delusion that they think they know better how the world should run and its why they can't be stopped it just has to go up and go down because they think they're saving the world. You can't stop someone who is trying to save the world, they're not saving it and we will work it out as a population with enough time to prevent or not stop it but with enough time to end it

1:00:17 Because that's what always happens. The tower always falls, but you can't all of this the bit that I am disappointed coming back to keto is their refusal to take that final next step and be like well this is crazy! Of course it's crazy like masks and keeping people at home were never about medicine. So there's no amount of times you can share the NIH data or the NHS data in the case UK, or whatever. There is no amount of times you can share that with the power structure and say I think we've overreacted don't you? Shouldn't they go back to normal because we should never have done it in the first place right? That's not so this kind of falls back into that world story of arguing rather than moving forward in a scenario planning model as you won't win that argument

1:01:01 Of course, they're right. But it's irrelevant. And that's the difficulty. They're right but it's irrelevant because they won't take that next step to say well hang on we've just had nine months of doing not just the opposite but alleged medical interventions that have nothing to do with health and everything to do with bulldozing a real economy and building instead this technocratic simulation of it. They won't say Their version of sitting on the couch waiting for the vaccine is hoping that people will one day be as smart as they are and that the political system functions rationally. It has never functioned rationally, it has always been the uneven distribution of power right? So this is what I mean like there's no kind of argument our way to it but just because we're in that iconic moment of the final play for it-it's like the boss level for this entity. It fails

1:02:00 But we have to live through that. Right, right a lot of people are thinking when can we get back to trust in the media and politicians? I'm ready for that world! It's like where was that world?! Exactly it's like we've got to restore trust in our institution so one of the other shows they had this year which is kind of about this and kinda not...I had James from podcast called Hermetics on to talk about accelerationism The way he described it I really liked is that we have reached a moment where no one is happy with the direction the world is going. And that's true, like that's a really good way of thinking about it because I don't imagine Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are particularly at whoever like um...I mean them but I mean them metaphorically as well right? I don't think they're particularly happy with how well this op's going right and I don't think Pelosi is happy with

1:02:51 how well her op's going and Trump certainly isn't happy with how well his op is going. And you look across the spectrum, and we are heading in a direction very rapidly that no one wants. Yeah. Every intervention accelerates it so that's the accelerationism. So this kind of like if you go on an anti-mask march that accelerates this trajectory into where we don't want because then you'll end up with either more mask mandates or they'll up the cycles on the PCR and you'll get, do you know what I mean? But by doing more of that from the other side. Doing it from the, what is it, the covidian side rather than the covidiate because now that's how idiots anyway

1:03:34 There's no intervention that will correct this and that's how civilizations collapse. So, that's how you know you're in that moment where it's not something goes wrong because things go wrong all the time its when a bunch of things go wrong at any attempt to correct them makes it worse. That's how planes crash it's not one thing that goes wrong, it's one thing that goes wrong and another in another. And then any attempt to correct them makes it worse. So that's what happens with the collapse. We're there right? We're at a moment where that whole world story—the good and bad news is—that whole world story is ending! It's built on stuff that has been going away forever. In the process of doing this, it's not just the media and government we've lost faith in by the end of this process

1:04:20 academia, big pharma medical industry all these things that used to be the cornerstones of respectability and expressions of truth will never be again right? And so I use Charles Fort's model for it but we don't...I think we've done a show about that before. Yeah We're moving into a world where things are differently true and we're experiencing the end of how we used to make things true. And when you see it that way, rather than like intervening whether you're intervening in the keto sense of like well this is clearly an overreaction which it is and we don't need vaccines even if they do work which is true and all of this stuff... We don't rationally return to the old world nor do we irrationally return to it. That whole world story is finishing

1:05:09 Well said there definitely many levels to this thing and i want to see people thinking about all of them and not just the lower level stuff in particular. And also on a fold in you follow g and aliens here how the segue but, But this is another area where some people think alien is just a code word for demon and the elite are working with these demons on decades long rebranding campaigns. They can finally emerge as our new space gods, which does imply more of a conscious partnership to the people who are making that argument but we have seen some curious movement in the disclosure space in 2020 it makes me think it's a piece of The Great Reset Pie or wouldn't

1:05:52 be making it into the conversation, though it is. You know what I mean? Yeah so...I kind of mentioned this on a previous show in 2020 but the race with China is a race with Eurasia. What's going on at the moment is you have the Anglo-Americans which includes EU—I mean that in the Carol Quigley sense, I don't just mean the Brits and the US—quote unquote Western world right is in a race with Eurasia, particularly China and Russia to build the currency replacement first. And when I say currency replacement it is that what you spoke about with Alison the whole control grid right? Because the person who gets there first has a tremendous or the collection of nations that get their first has a tremendous advantage in being able to tip

1:06:41 The other side into it so the reason we're doing it in the west is because replacing bretton woods which was how we. Organize the economic activity of the world so that benefited us were placing bretton woods with this and if we can get in particular why it's hitting so hard in us, any UK and to some extent western europe although for slightly different reasons that's a tremendous amount of economic activity. So if that can be cohered together in the one currency replacement system, then you get to turn around in theory to Russia and China and say this is like the new thing, this is like our SWIFT and all the kind of payment infrastructure we've previously used for the last 70 years. There's a race to do that first right? Hang on why am I talking about this where was the question again?

1:07:27 Why is disclosure and ufology part of the Great Reset? Yes, that was it. As part of that hedge funds and other organizations that invest in China are being bullied out of doing so because it's about pulling money out of it and cohering it into the new system now this probably does lead to war and understandably for his very good historical reasons China and Russia will probably have nothing to do with this system And I think that's why they built Well, China's technically a little bit ahead in the central bank digital currency replacement. And Russia got there first with the vaccine which if I ever get the choice I will take before any of the other ones because it might just be saline and if you look at what they're doing with the UFOs, as is always the case when you see these kind of like silly disclosure movements come out of Pentagon and Pentagon adjacent programs, I think

1:08:22 pointed at the Anglo-Americans enemies, which is to say we are serious enough about this that we will roll out the flying saucers if we need to. So I think that's where But going along with the Great Reset, we have all this kind of like more disclosure blah-blah stuff. It's because they're so serious about replacing Bretton Woods with this new Agenda 2030 world that they are prepared to go to war with Russia and China about it and they're serious enough about that war that they will use a bunch of their military infrastructure that we aren't supposed to know exists.

1:08:58 So you could see the same thing happening with the 2016 election, where there was all that UFO stuff and all those UFO movies which is clearly anticipating a Clinton presidency and maybe even war with Russia then. And we're seeing the same thing now. It's as far as I can tell, it's the same usual signaling of we will use exotic technology on you and say it's UFOs as part of that general positioning. That's my read on why all this UFO stuff is happening now." Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good read! It actually came up in your astrology forecast with Austin but the language that they're using

1:09:39 in some of these threads is basically the aliens want to meet you but they want humanity to be united first. In other words, we need a one world government and so that's probably a big part of it maybe the flying saucers will help the empire beat the resisting nations into the fold of that one world government? Yeah I think that's like galactic federation stuff and Reagan said it in the 80s It's the same idea right of using this And I don't mean that aliens or UFOs are fiction, but using this narrative that is a fiction to do that kind of coherence. When it comes out of the Israeli military you realize that's what they're doing. They're doing everything they can to bully the rest of the world into this new technocratic world story and yeah it doesn't work...strange times! What can I say?

1:10:32 Will me ask you this if they're going to stick with the story that the flying saucers are not ours. Then at some point we're gonna have to be presented with something more than a tick tack ship and that's where i start to wonder what that thing will be would it just be some kind of hologram or, Another weird thing i've heard is that this might be the reason why they have done all these franken creature human animal chimera experiments in deep state laboratories because they need something to use to say actually these are the flyers of the ship something they control of course like when old series star trek just painted a dog blue made it. I don't know, i have no idea what it will say that does look kinda likely that

1:11:22 some fairly impressive mind control has been used in certain parts of the world as part of this kind of great reset up. So we don't know what they have, and also I don't think they know—and this is a big part of the Vertical Line presentation it's a really good term that i got from Catherine Fitz which is that we're moving into the global invention room. This comes back to you know more about cryptocurrency than I do although my crypto has had a very good 2020 It's not ready for its close up. And nevertheless, we're heading in that direction." So I don't think they know what they're going to do next and that's exciting because if you can be with the moment in the correct way and be scenario planning and moving forward with coherence and optimism there will be opportunities too. And I just mean something crass like make money although we certainly need to it's... There'll be opportunities in this world that are for us as well as for them so I don't know.

1:12:15 what happens as far as I can tell when they roll out the UFO air cover is They're not sure and I get the feeling they don't. The trouble is with all of this stuff It's the dreadnought war, as soon as you reveal it You reset everything and not in a great reset sense So as soon as there are flying saucers the entire US...the official us kind of like military infrastructure is effectively obsolete because And that's the same for everyone. So this is what happened with the Dreadnought War between Britain and Germany in the lead up to World War One, as soon as you build a ship out of metal, you have made redundant the entire Royal Navy because you have to reset technologically and it's why I know they threatened to bring out the kind of cool shit but as soon as they do, the deterrent

1:13:07 you kind of reset down to everyone's back on a level playing field, because then assuming they don't have their own versions of it which they probably do. Places like Russia and China and Iran now okay well UFOs are not just real they work and either shoot one down or you can realize that and very quickly get to if it's electro-gravitic or whatever and you reset the playing field so let's say the US has 50 flying sources proverbially right it won't take Russia and China that long to build 50. And then so that enormous military advantage, which the Royal Navy made out of wood had over Germany didn't have as soon as they built a metal ship right? That's kind of why I think we've seen the UFO story roll out like dog shit on a stick rather than an actual thing. It's just kind of like keep people away and let them know that you're sort of prepared to use it but don't want to

1:14:02 So i don't know if they know what's gonna happen in fact and quietly confident they got this is just beyond unprecedented right yes yes i agree with you it does seem like. They put things in motion and they didn't necessarily have the end figured out, add now that the pressure so high its kind of like a It's kind of a struggle to get there. It's like, oh man! I hope we can pull this one off but we're already into the dive and i hope we can pull out of it They've burned the proverbial boats right? That's why there is no going back because even if we can't see the damage yet and this is kinda what Austin and I spoke about...it's been caused So 55% of restaurants in the US are looking at closure

1:14:52 In total, it'll be 55% of restaurants are looking at closure in the next couple months. And a quarter of them already have right? So more than half of the restaurants in the United States are about to go bankrupt or about to go out of business. This is what I mean we can't see the damage yet so there's no going back they've burned the boats and it does beg the question of why and I really do think it's because...I think the plan was pulled forward about a year although I'm prepared to be not that it matters This comes back to the conspiratorial stuff that I like. I'm prepared to be argued wrong about this, but i think the plan was pulled forward and i think it was pulled forward because the repo crisis was going to unwind the entire euro area in particular so i think its that sort of scramble and they had to burn their boats and were like right we're here now

1:15:40 Because if you look at the build out of documentation and testing around, which again is why it was so obvious this is going to happen. Around central bank digital currencies through 2018 stable coin and prioritizing a stable world order in all the stuff that the BIS and various meetings with central bankers were just so clearly saying and publishing in 2018 Most of the time they'd say like, we're heading in this direction. The next step is trials right? And they didn't get to the trials as much like the vaccines they didn't actually get to the trials phase it's just here now and that says to me they've had to pull a plan forward by a year

1:16:20 And I honestly thought that based on the astrology, speaking of the Great Conjunction. It didn't look like Saturn in Capricorn business to me it looked like Saturn in Aquarius business which is why I had all the travel plans. I thought it was going to be the last year for it but 2020 so the plan as far as I can tell has been pulled forward a year not that it matters we're just in the global invention room now That's what it looks like to me So the good news is well there's plenty of good news actually The good news is they don't win In the long term so we can keep a hold of that cuz they never went like this is a bad replay. The more immediate good news is catherine fitz says were in the global invention room which means if you can stay coherent and actually see what's going on and not get distracted by conspiracy facts or whatever there are opportunities to be nimble and move forward

1:17:12 bring the right response to the right moment. So it's all about the living field and so on, and you will feel it especially if you have experience being with the living field. The moment will come when being out on the street in a sort of mass protest sense We'll do something. We'll actually shift the field." But you can feel at the moment it doesn't, that moment will come like fishing on a beach. So I think there's the short-term good news of the global invention and longer term good news is well they don't win. let me ask you what is next for you i know you have that book in progress that you told us a bit about and some big premium upgrade called the answer what can you say about these things you got going on for your premium memberships for people listening who might be not yet on board but are definitely probably thinking about it yes so we part of my scenario planning involves and this is the worst case scenarios and its been

1:18:19 bandied about as one particular iteration of the great reset but once they destroyed real world independent businesses. They will come for digital ones, possibly. And that means a kind of switching off of the internet like a great reset of the internet essentially involves the destruction of the open web and the opportunity or invitation to rebuild it on Facebook or what have you right? So we were talking about that you'll still get to have a podcast It'll just be on Facebook which means it will not yours in mine will not be allowed. Right! Or YouTube you know for example... Yeah exactly and that's in fact happening right yeah And also on an individual basis, like the premium members are different and this is cool. Different conceptualizations of what they think is going on there was broad agreement on how we move forward with the whole point of vertical line as a metaphor is at the beginning of this I said I'm going to only have discussions that win-win rather than when lose with the membership so it's why we kind of park things like whether you think the virus is a bio weapon or the rest of it and kind

1:19:21 move forward and address the things we know are going to happen, which is a severe economic distress and increased surveillance. That's been really successful. Part of that process has been building an area where Ansible is a sort of matrix build on an end-to-end encrypted private server so we have a way of communicating. That includes free video calls between premium members and the rest of it that not part of the Internet. So it's a pirate utopia and it continues to build in capacity, and that's just because there is so much medicine in talking to people who kind of even if it's not seeing the world the exact same way are moving forward into the world in a similar way right? And that's about as much like because the premium members are very diverse in how they think and what they do That's about fair and I get it cause we all think about

1:20:13 very strongly. I haven't used Facebook in many years, and I don't think Twitter will last for me until the end of 2021 and so on but there is so much medicine in speaking to people even if it's digitally distributed. So what platforms do we have for that? And it's brand new and still in beta but working great as a...and I think we'll see more of that kind of stuff! That's just additional features and capacities to match the range of scenarios as best I can that are coming. doesn't necessarily mean the internet gets switched off. And if it's an EMP situation, everything is gone right? It's kind of the proverbial... If it gets to the stage where I have to survive off the vegetables that grow in my yard, it's not a good world. It's not a world that I want to live in and don't care about. So if it's an EMP that destroys the open web and everything else with it then that's just what happens but if its more permission based which appears to be what they're doing so you will need some kind

1:21:13 Compliance or approval to use stripe and paypal. And those kind of structural platforms things i'll come for last i'm gonna look like mine so it's that kinda stuff when it comes to the answer but me in general i spent as a sad, twenty twenty nine months doing the grieving thing but then repositioning the ship and reorganizing it. It was a nine-month job to grieve, and sit with the good things I'm looking forward to now that I've lost some stuff like another Guggenheim ritual in

1:21:49 and the jungle, and this weird Holy Grail trip. That's what I was doing in Europe in March—all these kind of things that just now never happen. But I'm here in this amazing remarkable place and we've bought kayaks and more invested in local Tasmanian stuff—the permaculture thing and some sort of secret indigenous projects and all that kind of stuff so it's a process of repositioning and that's what I'm doing! And it's that range of scenarios because like you I'm certainly not going to take a gene altering injectable to get on the plane. So one of my scenarios is, well I might be here for 18 months and it's been about how i make that good and what adaptability in responsivenesses can i build into the membership that matches

1:22:32 enough scenarios for enough people. That's structurally what we've been doing and I'm quite proud of it, frankly but in terms of actual fun stuff in 2021 the Q1 course is on angels and angel magic Which again will probably set the tone as the, because the members for people who don't know the premium members vote on courses. And at the beginning of 2020 for Q1 they picked a wealth magic course which meant we spent a lot of time sitting with things like how money works and how desire works and how to move how to have desire and joy be the things you move towards in the uneven terrain of what's going on in the world. Because at the end of Q1, we get a pandemic. So something about angels will set the tone for the world for 2021. That's going to be really fun. I've been doing angel magic for 20 years now. Really looking forward to that. The book is coming out and then after that global invention room who knows?

1:23:30 Wow very cool yes the answer both things seems. Very ambitious but it is where my mind has been to its weird cuz i get a lot of praise from colleagues for having more control over my system then a lot of other people do like video podcast that needs you tube a little more than i need youtube or someone who's just on patreon but But I only see the vulnerabilities and this is exactly the kind of thing that i'm gonna probably be focusing on this year as well. Like it's obviously better to be proactive about it." So what I said to the members, and if you haven't explicitly said it and can't recall when you have, to the plus members...is I don't know what's going to happen but I am going to do everything

1:24:22 make sure not just that this continues because you find value in it, but I'm going to do everything i can to make sure your lives are better. I might fail, this might get blown off the internet same as yours and expectation is the wrong way of saying it but we all have faith that you will continue towards that sort of robustness and if anyone is going to have joyous and successful lives over the next 8 or 9 years, it's going to be us. As in us as a membership and that was kind of like the promise I made and that is why there are things like Ansible. It is the same for you all we can expect of you is do your best

1:25:06 Maybe being a little bit, which I think we have been in the right way more paranoid about the range of scenarios. Because i was certainly never going to go anywhere near Patreon or any of that stuff and I haven't and... ...I get praised for the robustness of this setup as well but I only see the flaws and we can do our best I think Greg Yes that is exactly what i was gonna end on because i was gonna bring up that i watched the vertical line presentation just after i finished putting out my last show of twenty twenty and. You said that thing is just so so in line with what i tried to say and not wrap up of the last show twenty twenty when you said your premium members and i got the quote right here i'm making you the promise of my lifetime as rough as a road ahead is the people who find the most joy and health and achieve more of their dreams through this next decade will be us. And that is just,

1:26:02 Pretty powerful man is very heavy and i want my people to feel the same way about thc just that i am searching to bring. People the right information for them to make them better prepared to fine tune their thoughts about what's important and what useful and provide medicine for really tough times in i'm on the journey too i'm really just a placeholder, for all the people listening a lot of time n I'm just glad you also said joy because we gotta have fun to we got out the right tone i say a lot that the overall thc world view should make you better at life make you more knowledgeable more open to maybe things you weren't open too and, i'm definitely here to be real not to make anyone feel stressed out or defeated but.

1:26:54 But I think I want to make a better conspiracy culture the same way you've upgraded what a magic school can be. And that's why I've had you here more than anyone else! I know that you will make good on that promise, and I hope we're right there with you." Yeah...and the joy part because I know you struggle with it not struggle is the wrong word, but it's possible you overthink. There's medicine in and I know this for the premium members but like if there's a new THC episode and it isn't about the pandemic that's good just as it is if its relevant information because enjoying life is supporting the living field enjoying life is activism in the face of attempts to make life unenjoyable And so if it is an episode, an ancient aliens episode or whatever stuff

1:27:42 People listen to the show for that reason and to just hear it is the same thing It's supporting The Living Field because it's people taking an hour, hopefully two hours To experience joy. And things that they like despite against what is going on So I think you found over 2020, correct? Congratulated for this too the right sort of balance of you being on shows and providing updates when they're, this is how I do it with the newsroom. If people need to know a new thing about what's going on so like Alison McDowell or whatever have her on the show! And i think you've got that right. You're gonna do your best to make sure everyone's informed about the things that are materially relevant about what's going on but also provide the joy of realizing that all this stuff that's going

1:28:34 is happening in a fucking crazy universe of spirits and you know all kinds of stuff that still this is what I mean it's still in play the universe is still alive right. Amen no shortage of mysteries left to continue to explore despite the big operation so, i'm with you on that and your other man i am lucky to know you thanks again for taking the time i hope you get off the rock before too long but keep doing what you do use well great It's the end of the world as we know it, but now I feel fine. Always a pleasure to check in with the great Gordon MagicMakenWhite and ringing in the new year seems like a helluva time to do it

1:29:19 So much good stuff. I really don't even know what to start commenting on I'm sure the vast vast majority of THC members are well familiar with Gordon by now But if you're new to THC and you started since his last show the past 12 episodes that he's been on That is a good thread to follow And of course if you're new to him, check out runesoup.com I really admire Gordon's work ethic and creativity when it comes to his premium membership offerings i just got set up on the ansible that he talked about and it's pretty impressive kind of like a private Runesoup only encrypted discord

1:30:05 But that sort of stuff has certainly been on my mind lately. How do we keep THC going when the screws get tighter and tighter? Of course, we have a pretty robust private server now but it's not physically mine which is something I've considered but if the internet is down or the grid is down then that doesn't do a lot of good It seems hard to kick me off the internet completely I mean RSS pretty decentralized and if I can't process payments, i have a plan B and a plan C. And I hope I never have to implement them because they're not that great! I do have all the plus members emails and we could go to a private email delivery for the show if we had to...and if even that kind of a process wouldn't work then I think the whole world is falling apart

1:31:02 At least the cold dead artificial digital overlay of it is, and I'm probably at that point the last person you guys are going to be worried about. And understandably so! But cheers to the good times while we can right? That's what i love about Gordon We can talk about pretty stark things but still have a good time doing it It's funny because as I record this on January 6th there's alot of people running around DC not heeding some of the very advice in this show In fact, I pulled a Philip K. Dick quote off of Gordon's blog that i was going to reference in the interview although now seems about as good a time as any but he says To fight the empire is to be infected by its derangement This is a paradox whoever defeats a segment of the empire becomes the empire It proliferates like a virus imposing its form on its enemies thereby it becomes its enemies

1:32:00 Seems fairly relevant literally right now though the last I looked at the news this whole storm at the Capitol was pretty much fizzling out although now all the politicians are talking about how outraged offended and scared they were Today, they're talking about a second impeachment and all that jazz. But what are you gonna do? The show must go on And it is actually kind of fortuitous to release this right now, because you could say this was our first big test of 2021. How far did YOU get sucked in? How many hours of your day did these events claim or did you take a break at least long enough to make a nice home-cooked meal for yourself and someone you love? I hope so!

1:32:53 But if I were looking for warning signs that 2021 won't be the return to normalcy that some people out there are hoping for, well six days in i guess this was exhibit A. Solutionism is part of the problem though—that is a mantra to remember as well as concepts like The End Of The World Story This is a big topic and it heavily relates to not only the dominant of wider inclusion we've talked about but also the space weather The consensus behind what is true will change. We've been banging on this door for years, and this is good change I think but like the land before time example the road to the great valley is not an easy path it's full of dangers full of sharp teeth and all that but it's the only path

1:33:45 You can't stay where you are. You can't pretend that the life you knew will return, you have to move yourself find a few tree stars along the way and get to the goddamn Great Valley! You can do it P-Tree! Of course there are people who won't see it coming who will wait too long don't be those people But it's a great analogy that so many of these low-res arguments are essentially a failure to recognize that being one of the builders of something new is far better than combing through the decay of the old structure, fighting over the scraps arguing over whose fault it was holding up pieces of twisted metal saying I think we could still use this maybe worry less about the old and get excited about the new.

1:34:40 Who knows but i had a tough time naming this one which has happened before because we tend to cover so many things when gordon is here and I went with actionable intelligence as one of the terms to use obviously because he said it a couple of times. But, It simultaneously applies to the critique of conspiracy cultures tendency to get obsessed over unknowable details when sometimes you just have to work out that there is a lie being told and then think about where that lie is leading things rather than uncovering the whole real raw story behind the narrative because seeing the motivation it's like a window into understanding where your opponent is trying to get to but actionable intelligence also applies to this section about how to talk to people about all this

1:35:31 because part of it is feeling them out for the story that they are in as Gordon might say. Before you even start trying to approach them, you gotta know how so you do a little digging for that actionable intelligence your digging for context before you decide on the right intellectual tool for the job. A proverbial scalpel rather than a hammer right? But I also love that terminology that The Predator class has earned the boat so-to speak We all know that crazy Cortez story, but it is a powerful one and it seems to resonate with what's going on in the big game. Maybe part of that is because the people pushing the timeline from the top are definitely not the same people working on the technological implementation and maybe that will be their biggest failing

1:36:23 The systems they want to onboard us to just aren't really built out enough, and public awareness is just not getting the levels they'd want. As Gordon said we're at a point where nobody seems happy with how it's going I would concur. The UFO op, the crypto onboarding, the COVID data and everything that doesn't justify the vaccine, lockdowns It's like they kicked off some sort of sick Rube Goldberg machine and are just trying to finish building it before that marble catches up. I mean really, just listen to the news on the vaccine. They wanted 100 million vaccinated by the end of 2020 and they have 1 million. Shit is not going to plan! I fully think they would get 100 million people to line-up

1:37:16 If they could just infrastructurally get it done, but failure can be a beautiful thing. And I don't think anybody's moving from a firm no to a yes on the vaccine and time is only on our side when it comes to more people wondering if it's even needed Also, Gordon spent an extra 20 minutes with us today. I appreciate that! I tried to split it down the middle but even still we were packing so much in and we really didn't dive into the best assets in a magical toolbox for the stormy times ahead as early as I had planned. I really wanted to make it there in the first hour because so many of you have asked to get back into magic And we're talking about the best! But c'est la vie! I thought the first hour was great

1:38:05 and you can always sign up for plus if you want to hear Gordon's magical advice for these times in particular as well. As contract clearing, entity attachments and being as unhijacked as possible virus punk the state and death of course we had to fit in some kind of new movie reference and today it was what we can learn from Qui-Gon Jinn And then a section that got pretty personal when it comes to Gordon's thoughts on healing my trick ear. Not only is he very educated and experienced when it comes to Power of Eight intention, but also about the mechanisms behind things like this and shamanic healing...and he knows me pretty well too I guess which obviously factored in! I'm deaf to the thing that will heal my deafness huh?

1:38:59 i mean that is deep i've been thinking about it a lot. I never made that connection before between hearing spirit and my right ear maybe im already reading too much into something that was meant as a metaphor but, i am left handed and i'm much more attracted to the creative airy stoner motifs and qualities that tend to be associated with lefthanded people But I'm also left-eared, which would be the side of the brain associated with that grounded logical practical stuff. The lame stuff? I don't know! So clearly i'm all kinds of messed up right but he might have a point with a lot of that because as he said it's kind of a loop and how do you start hearing something that you're deaf to in order to heal your hearing where is that cycle broken

1:39:59 Although I would much rather, if given the choice be able to hear spirit and sense energy than just hear in stereo. That's a no-brainer! But you know the first question that i asked today was about time and the linear time paradigm industrialized society runs on And how it's not really the right way to think about time? I made some comments about being stuck in the perspective of the western bubble And then the whole thing about my ear came right back to that in the second hour. So joke's on me, but I get what he was saying and understand how he is looking at my situation. I just don't know how to break out of that loop maybe that East Coast Intention Group will get me jump started

1:40:49 It was a very fun show though, cathartic for me. Hopefully good medicine for you guys I think the sentiment that we ended on is worth reiterating. I take my position very seriously i know he does as well but that doesn't always mean being serious sometimes it means laughing at the absurdity of it all even when that's not easy to do But we're also not going to let this kind of stuff that's going out in the world ruin us. We're not gonna live in fear, we're not gonna contribute to anyone else's trauma...we are going to be a stable positive presence! We gotta greet that energy field with liveliness and happiness and humor because hey that's how the salvia entities greeted me

1:41:40 After having just listened to those last joint session voicemail messages, I know this show means a lot to a lot of people. To others it's just a throwaway show on a long list of disposable digital entertainment and i get that but the way some people tend to talk to me about this show is pretty deep. And I know that's mostly about our guests and the great stuff they have to share, as it should be... But i still don't take this position lightly and even though you and I don't really talk on a personal one-on-one basis very often or at all, I know you're out there along with many like you and collectively we should try to be there for each other

1:42:27 I know listening to a podcast is a solo experience, but maybe use the forum. Make friendships in the comments. Find the others as Gordon would say. So many people do tell me that they feel isolated? But with a little THC networking you might uncover some local opportunities! Remember, if you've ever had a PLUS membership for any length of time the forum access is forever. So revisit that thread about where people are from check out your own city I suppose a window of opportunity is never open forever as they say do they say that? Someone has to have said that

1:43:11 I think i've talked to myself long enough. Great way to start the new year again big thanks to Gordon and to you dear listeners, I've done my part your move great resetters digital debtors and agents of the anti-life archon your fucking move from space it was falling its light started calling it's making crop circles again Just as I was looking up it showed me all the hidden stuff And now i'm all enlightened and zen Nothing mass is this hard, silver ships Now im not asleep don't obey the elite Got a beam to the head we start to wonder Now were not the sheep that they bred us to be Got a beam to the head now we start to wonder

1:44:09 Now we start to wonder See a new paradigm of corruption and crime Since the visitors set me straight I encouraged you to go When you see the saucers glow up, I'm awake The masses is hard Silver ships by yard Now we're not asleep Don't obey Got a beam to the head We start to wonder No, we're not the sheep

1:44:54 Has to be, being too low Now we start to wonder We start to wonder Now we start to wonder We start to wonder I'll see these things up in the sky Just as the system starts to die Balls made in an extra-belly race It's time we have faith Cause we're not the sheep that they

1:45:46 Now we start to wonder again.