Gordon White | Mutual Flourishing In 2020, Conspiracy Yoga, & The Timeline

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01:27 These are the higher side chats. The power of Christ compels you people! How we doing out there? From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood And as the cyber screws tighten in our technocratic times it seems as if many people are ping-ponged between one outrage accumulating algorithm to another Climate change debates, who voted for who nonsense, corporate-backed talking points, tug of wars for moral superiority, kindergarten level character analysis, deep state debates, commentary on The View and Star Wars bickering with just enough Baby Yoda sprinkled in to keep us all from killing each other. Rinse and repeat!

02:08 The culture has lost its mind, and that is when I call one of my favorite cultural mind finders and the actual Ghostbuster Gordon White. He's the man behind books like Starships and The Chaos Protocols, and he cooks up one helluva magical brew at runesoup dot com where you can become a premium member for a bona fide roadmap to esoterically improve your life and jailbreak this island earth with the best magical courses since Alexandria He joins us here for the 11th time, still king of the higher side hill. Here he is the results getting guru, the mutual flourishing facilitator and the true magical master of his domain Gordon my man welcome back to The Higher Side

02:49 Well thank you very much greg for mentioning baby yoda in my intro that's lovely the least i could do man but it is always a pleasure of course only one set and rose over because its getting harder each time to try and stay creative actually thought about doing an anti intro this time just send folks escorting white again. What was sometimes nice to do something algorithms wouldn't expect right exactly but here we are predictable as ever And to pick up where we left off i guess last time we talked your world down under had recently been on fire although it was beaten back by the great water dragon spell of two thousand nineteen, how are things going for you now man this summer so far has made which is the little island state to the south and mainland australia for people kind of unfamiliar with geography.

03:42 We had a benign beginning i guess to the commencement of the fire season it's important to realize that actually the greatest virus month in australia is february so, that typically the driest month on the calendar. and that's literally when bushfire season is supposed to start rather than september which it did on the mainland this year so i'm at the moment we're doing better than a lot of friends and family on the coast but hopefully by the time this comes out you never know miracles may intervene Yeah, let's hope. I've seen enough burnt koalas at this point to think it's pretty bad and that February could be worse is not good to hear Of course It's unfortunate also that anything that happens anywhere just makes more fodder for the climate alarmist to point to Whether it's truly related or not Absolutely and having been through this so after it happened to us last summer

04:38 Like I have a background in, and experience with fire in the sense that I have family in regional Australia and so on. So it's not like I was unfamiliar with bushfires. I hadn't been into them to the extent that 60 thousand hectare fire would get 200 meters from the farm they just bought which is what happened last year right? And its interesting there's like fog of war effect that happens and understandable when people are going through dramatic event like this to some extent it's a play on both houses the climate alarm if you are taking things like the images of australia and fire is actually just adopted image of clouds in australia all this stuff there. Not helping by doing that i buy the same token you should have sent right

05:19 government organization trying to score points in the middle of a disaster and you get everyone's kind of yelling, add the quality information that people are receiving during the event about its causes and what we should do about it is an absolute mess and that was something i experienced on a lesser level last season but this is the message you can end up with a playground both houses everyone is right and wrong across the spectrum of it which is kind of my new emerging access for things that interest me when I look across the sort of seventeenth century idea left to the right and if they're all right and wrong simultaneously i can have a, emergent root soup access switches where we put those things on add it is that i mean the very idea that

06:06 the thing we should be doing as bush fires burn through australia is to try to cool the planet urgently is not how you stop a bush fire and I can tell you that from personal experience so it's a mess in terms of discourse and just hope well obviously i hope it ends quickly but once it does Cooler minds will approach the situation with a bit more rationality and definitely have discussions about the impact of climate change on whatever else going on as well as all the other stuff at the moment everyone's yelling each other in line and it's a mess if you're trying to get quality information. Right right and

06:43 Nobody's really pointing the finger at true polluters are not talking about nestle they're not talking about oil monopolies or monsanto or the damage to land of monocrop farming there basically just. Looking at general people and saying you know you guys need to cut back because your room in the planet like we don't make a lot of these decisions with live Yeah exactly exactly and what is happening if people are unaware and it's not that this isn't true like i said, i have regional australian family so we had firefighters at christmas when i went back to the mainland. It's the same thing in california right the overwhelming majority of

07:21 Push situations are lit by humans and a sizable chunk of that in fact it is where we're losing a lot of the signal with noise at the moment because some of them can tell you straight from firefighters working in queensland to arrest them. Some of them have done it because they're trying to promote climate alarmism position So that's getting really toxic industry is so much accidental some of it is kids lighting up because kids like to watch the world burn and some of it is the same people who are in the city, classic inner city green on claims talking about how we need to cool the planet to prevent bushfires.

07:58 It's the some of them have been lit by that and then we're going to need to address this. This is what I mean, but everyone's right and wrong across the entire spectrum. And if we leave the debate or the yelling match, I struggle to even call it a debate at the really, really basic bitch level that it is now then when the dust settles, We will not have a constructive conversation about how he moved forward Right well said and that is an interesting point about that kind of false flag activism how funny that, i'm doing this for the greater good mindset it just creeps in so fast sometimes even not for people who think they're dedicated advocates.

08:37 Yes so this is simple right if you find yourself setting fire to the planet and killing millions of animals. You are one of the bad guys i feel like that's easy you need to take a step back and i say this is someone who started green in america designer and you know when the border permaculture tasmania like, you want one of the bad guys when you step back from that match but you just dropped into the australian bushfire no the street abortion and what should it take for you need to question the people who So damaged your amygdala and filled you with fear and terror over the last decade. Did you think the right thing to do is to kill millions of animals and so far two dozen humans you are a murderer, add that isn't unscientific death cult simple as that which is why propaganda dangerous and armory not against it is important absolutely. It's funny like the bush thing is a microcosm where we are right so

09:36 Basically everyone is an idiot but it's sort of like people across the spectrum have valid positions that they are weaponizing or yelling about and it's having an increasingly polarizing effect which makes it very challenging for people who were kind of like well hang on, go you jets I think your all crazy how do we navigate that? And its been interesting and fraught To tiptoe through it so far right and hey navigation tends to be one of the themes when you come on this show i want the kinda start this up with a little twenty nineteen analysis because so much of our previous conversations still seems to apply remember you saying that a lot of people are gonna lose their minds and just holding the line would be difficult in twenty nineteen and i can't roll my eyes i stopped but no twenty nineteen was

10:30 One of the most difficult years for me in a long, long time. Website issues misdirected anger constant challenges to my integrity rumors and speculation Twitter hack starting a feud with Joe Rogan from my account. Oh right yeah I remember that! It's nothing dramatic i still have my health got my special lady source of income largely intact so I don't want to oversell the negative life has been good to me but you really weren't kidding it was rough Yeah, and you're actually a very good example of it. Right? So you've focused on all the things that are correct there which is like I still have my health um still in the my loving lifetime relationship all that kind of stuff but being Greg in 2019 was about 50% more difficult than being Greg in 2018 so it's just to do the same thing is more drama and more work That's where we are our point in the timeline right and unfortunately from an astrological perspective

11:29 Twenty twenty is going to be more challenging but necessarily so and there's some sort of changes in particular where i'm jupiter was that was running some positivity interference unless it's not a bad now answer twenty twenty gonna be even more challenging. And that isn't said to scare people, to paraphrase terrence mckenna like the problem is defined the answer it's too fast and we just need to you don't even need astrology for that right here in january looking at twenty twenty and the absolute shit show propaganda that's gonna be a presidential election the various geopolitical things that are going on around the world you just know that. You are going to need to have a everyone listening a personal and stringent policy of how and when do things like media consumption because ultimately if you want to get through twenty with your mental health attack

12:25 You are responsible for that like you don't need to be in a situation where your mind is being damaged to the extent that he might be starting bush fires in australia or something you have so much power to do that and just have to be really stringent about it because yeah its challenging times here we go. Right and of course you did spend some time in our little microcosm here in the states and twenty nineteen n, you would set your last solo show that having done that you wanted to just bring americans to your couch and make us some soup. I thought that was really awesome and of course for the reasons you're saying i mean most of the big machine is tested out on this population first especially in the media realm you

13:06 Essentially in that show called it an attack and it is certainly exhausting. I mean any advice for people who are stuck within it? Yeah, for sure So the good news is it's literally all fake because it is just this sort of terror beam Focused on the American population and it's not that other countries don't have fear-based media this the intensity of this is a sauron i beam of malevolence and fear the good news it's fake so that's the kind of step one to get out of the bad news unfortunately if you are in there. It is pervasive did u have to put way more effort into finding enriching content

13:46 whether it's books where it's your blog some podcasts or do you want to do what you have to put in more effort than the non americans to do that because there is a very deliberate case interesting cause i used to go to the us. When was in london is going to be west once a month maybe but less For work and that was a few years ago now. And it has been an absolute step change he was always noticeable there like being forced to watch, NBC in the back of your taxi and CNN airport lounges and all this and it wasn't mess it was garbage you know warmongers flapping their heads about what america should like what brown people american could kill next right

14:24 Foreigners like myself would kind of roll their eyes, like this is silly and fake but you cannot get away from it. And it's on everything and every platform now and this is horrifying but the good and the bad news is you are utterly sovereign over how much you can have that affect you in your life. You can actually just simply not tune-in just get rid of it all and find things that contribute to flourishing instead. I think there will be a very very good move Yeah i agree it's yours to that i mean i made a comment few weeks back about being kind of burnt out and its because i feel like im forced to engage because i decided to do this for living to a degree but at the same time, i could just read a book about ether physics interview that guy or something about.

15:13 the right light bulbs for your home and then you know that's not necessary it's very adjacent and it's definitely stuff that would affect people's health and mental health but its not necessarily in the deep end of the propaganda pool and getting exhausted by the daily news cycle there is a way to do it. Yes i use special case and more so than i am in that sense because i have a weekly geo and parapolitics newsletter right. I don't say when i go on the thursday afternoon to compile that based on things like you forced to add it to myself but i was kind of keep tabs on it because, i strive at you do as well and its example i strive too

15:55 be something different to feel porn and propaganda and the rest of my strategy okay well we're gonna look at this honestly but i'm also not gonna. I try not to leave a newsletter and i'd like to succeed in a place of terror right always leaving it ok here's some stuff that's going on but nevertheless remember that you know these things about your life and what have you so i got what you mean its challenging times for me And i had a great time at the above event in portland with you and austin and i wanna get him here, sports long for deeper dive into the space weather conditions and what to expect going forward. A big thing though that whole event was it yes people are kind of waiting to get back to normal there maybe waiting to get through this presidential cycle or whatever this thought about can just hold on for a little while and then will

16:49 Get back to normal but there is no back to normal as you said this year seems like it's gonna be more challenging. When you look at the space weather, I don't know how far out you really analyzed it. But is there ever a return to normal? Yes What is normal that's correct so we're trying to calm I would say sorry yes That's an interesting one The return to calm is a long way off if you look at blended cycles and I'm talking like a decade or 11 years away So people want to look at where they are how old they are and sort of fast forward eleven or twelve years And that is when things

17:26 As far as I can tell, not return to how they were in the late 90s. Not in that kind of like easy post Berlin wall bubble but with less of the hectic intensity now and other reason for that is because between now and then a whole bunch of stuff is going to happen geopolitically there will be fewer stars on the American flag because some of this session movements and actually process session almost all cases some of the secession movements will succeed between now and then obviously who i even like a bunch of them. And also, the kind of financial capital the world according to martin armstrong will be by then so this is america's moment do what happened in britain in the mid twentieth century which is you move into a post imperial state at least publicly we all know

18:17 Britain and crown territories, and how there's the direct control of a sort of shadow British empire via finance etc. But just go with me and pretend history is correct on this. And there's a handover period of Britain becoming post-imperial. America is going to do that now. Unfortunately no one at a senior level inspires the kind of confidence that they will handle that correctly in the same way And again, largely because of some backdoor deals that the British could still do. The same thing happened with Britain and even for Britain that was challenging so that's what I mean it doesn't return to normal there isn't we don't ever get back to a funny enough mentioning the event like

18:56 The theme song to put land opens like everybody remember the nineties we don't get back to that ninety slack america where you can just kinda like coast through life. That doesn't happen that's not what we get in this incarnation so kind of dozen ever get back to normal i think people are mostly looking for is, can we have a return to and it's your rationality but can we have a return to rational discussions Add less angry flapping heads and warm on the view or whatever no that doesn't appear. On the cards like you don't ever get to go back to having a benign television that you can rot in front of an evening. That's good and bad as far as i'm concerned that the owners is there on your side before two either create or seek out, flourishing content and music and so on right right there's definitely a way to react to it isn't just well we're all fucked but it is good to know that I need to keep more fuel in the tank

19:56 because this isn't close to over and you know you did say something that was a silver lining that twenty-twenty had an energy that is very us. And i was curious what are you referring to there is not something applies everyone just does it wasn't mostly asked but it doesn't actually apply to a thc listener perspective right so the big story astrologically, this will be top line in austin can do more but in kind of hellenistic astrology you have a lot of planets and benefits in the kind of like neutral but the left x. so in one sentence, the story twenty twenty astrologically is that the left are very strong positions and sometimes very activated strong position so saddened is in capricorn basically where he's been

20:50 slide into a query which is also by saturn so that's like instead of the good god of death thats i think it as about what's like with the joker steals the batmobile lake. Aquarius is weird right so you have we had a malefic and mars particularly in the second half of the year seemingly spend a thousand years, yeah areas which of course rules and does that because of retrograde action and so on so twenty twenty is the story of bad guys astrologically speaking And within that, a lot of it particularly because the Capricorn energy has such an earthing and coming to truth of ideas that were previously fog-of-war propaganda. Stuff is going to

21:33 be tabled in kind of like discourse in twenty twenty that's very very t h c stuff expect to have more arrests around the russia gate scam and we may end up finding why did ten drills outside of the epstein network it's an energy of that kinda there is no hiding in the bullshit from this anymore it is a cold unfortunately not a benign revelation it is a cold but unavoidable revelations these kind of things get shown as good as a conspiratorial year in that sense in the sense that look at turns out the banks did this and there isn't worldwide peter fell network all that kinda stuff that's happened. Is this sort of eighteen months to two years period, always can you think that have been the father for decades or parapolitical analysis are all kinda lining up now that doesn't mean of course

22:27 Let's not to pick a side on it like haha Trump is going to I don't know round up all these people or any of that stuff. That's not it, the energy is powering both because as we have seen although you know the impeachment trash but he was definitely abusing his position doing something nonsense so all that stuff is more difficult to hide its difficult to hide in the bullshit astrologically speaking these things people will attempt and we feel We're recording this sort of immediately in a couple days after the kickoff of the, I guess new Iran incidents right? The stories that come out about it are immediately bullshit. Like you can't get through a presidential press conference or something when someone is trying to give you clearly false party line and it falls flat at the feet of mainstream media journalists and its their job to pretend thats real so lies and propaganda

23:24 I live balloons in twenty twenty that's kinda what i meant by it's quite a good hour yet the people who are rationally concerned and sincerely interested in politics inconspiracy because here we are. Right right and not same way comedians were saying george bush was a good president because there is lot to talk about exactly, that better sweet reality that business is gonna be good if you're having his conspiracy you up busy right And it's not a trump thing that's just the world and. That's the sort of flavor of times in a way that will get worse incidentally twenty one is even better what's weird about that is, i mean its good then because this stuff isn't new this corruption is new is just for the masses when it's revealed feels new and they deal with like it's new but it's a good thing because it already was happening only choices is to be revealed or is it now

24:20 Capricorn energy is a necessary grounding like it's one of the less popular signs right because it is. Classic stereotypical personality types capricorn is dull and dependable but also kind of can be quite nitpicky like that about crossing those teas and cutting those eyes until this is so when you have a lot of capital connectivity which we absolutely do this its not just saturn as a bunch of, what should i call in twenty twenty like an extended capricorn season for a number of reasons What are the impacts or results of that is this necessary unveiling unnecessary pulling back at the curtain to see like there's the wizard doing his thing. That's a very capricorn move right and it is it's necessary and its weird like we kind of have, we in the royal thc sense is a peculiar responsibility that comes with that and it's not crow too loudly they told you so stuff because

25:18 It doesn't matter what it is if something was nine eleven some people might have been a polo whatever but we've all had that incident that. If we remember correctly was quite traumatic when we move through into red pill world into the world of power political and conspiratorial Thinking right and so for some people that's happening now i just bear in mind it was weird feel whatever event it was the brought you into a world like this it was weird and sometimes kinda like. Intense to realize that the world doesn't run as you've been told had since your child,

25:54 So i think we need to be especially this year that some other stuff is gonna come out it's fun to find a small joy in being correct and your head windows arguments with people without having drinks and what have you had before but also just like, hey should the patient the impolite lee. position the discourse where you can and we are i think would be a good move i agree it's enough just to have their minds blown like that. You don't need to pile on make it more stressful by saying i told you so, what is the russian thing could've been handled better when i came out of the black well i mean we all knew that was crap it was clearly crap but for some people who invested two years in

26:39 Complete nonsense that it ran their entire lives they're losing a world at that point i'm getting wrong who cares like. The world right and thats actually a traumatic thing to go through and you can mess someone up or even weaponize them in the worst direction if you pile on that's just not tasteful, be the bigger person yeah And just to kind of widen this out so it's not all about us you had her be born recently to break down these troubled times and you guys talked about how it's time too. Kind of tweak the advice of the last year to and that we have an opportunity as you said to do things more in line with the cosmic ph n i'm all about working smarter not harder. And i guess i would just ask broadly speaking, you told us a little bit about that cosmic ph but how can we maybe practically swim with the currents rather than against them?

27:35 The first one is to recognize it's there. So, and by that I mean this kind of 18th century political division left and right is an arrangement that suited the build out of an industrial economy over the 19th century and then kinda floundered to be perfectly honest in the 20th century at its now a preposterous aggregation of interests for the 21st century. What do you mean? To recognize the cosmic pH is that we don't get back to neoliberalism pretending to be left-ism. We don't get back to any of these things and it's not fall into that polarization and arrange the stuff, you can the things that you want politically. We've never as a collapsing from technology in communications and education perspective with never been in a better position to build

28:33 rise of magic ways of essentially having our own politics inside whatever the hell's going on in the next decade in the world so that's kind of because we ph of collapses over selling it for the cosmic page of sort of imperial handover which is the next decade and bearing my new s isn't going to collapse britain didn't either its just challenging things change but you know relax everyone doesn't happen like that That's the thing that you have to come to terms with. The cosmic pH is we're at a sort of imperial transitional moment and in that chaos there are things you can do and things you can seek for, like as we sort of reposition

29:15 Essentially do one single global economy and that the center of gravity moves into. Beijing there are employment opportunities there all these other things we can do and from a discourse perspective what i meant with connor and i kind of said it's time to start lovingly rolling up the newspaper hitting people in the nose, who would be broadly in agreement with if they weren't being an idiot in the sense of expecting some sort of glorious communist revolution and that will be the self things even if it was thats not going to happen so unpick the things that you have as a priority in your glorious communist revolution and implement actually do them in your fucking life right same thing if you're on the other end of the spectrum because to be honest is i'm sure most of the listeners show no you take marks to his natural conclusion and he ends up libertarian rights

30:07 In the sense that i don't really care what angle you come to that sort of decentral sovereignty don't be a dick constellation of political beliefs that i think it's correct, where the which direction you come from because my ph is now it is time for u. Do implement that that is how it happens its not getting behind the candidate most approximate what you think it's going to be because that system doesn't work so how do you want to continue to be disappointed and angry on twitter or do you want to use the things that are available now. Do have that life and we can do i mean we are doing and thats sort of situating with the cosmic ph the other part is very magic specific like my discussion

30:57 There are some things that have outstayed their welcome in say magical and witchcraft discourse which I had patience with and sort of highlighted its shortcomings a couple years ago. And most people, i think have kind of come to that conclusion as well it's to do with like characterizing witchcrafters some sort of white middle class feminist empowerment thing rather than loses his teeth is racist all this kinda stuff so i can't gently mention that a couple years ago but in 2020 some of that Capricorn energy is talking about that precision and well actually nice is to gently say this is an examines and frankly races position, add it not just hurts the kind of white discourse but its literally holding you back because you. You think he believe in rich craft let's go at the ferrari and you can't your ferrari garage and so lets open up and thats kinda what I mean by aligning with the cosmic ph

31:51 Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's wise for people to recognize that there are ebbs and flows and what good is it to have that knowledge but to ride them as best a person can? And the system does try to make us reactionary even if you see the lies It's like you're playing conspiracy Pokemon to try to catch them all! That's not much better because you're still reacting to the big machine Broadly, I think this is stuff that can apply to both the magical and conspiratorial community You have stacked up enough information to know what you need to know for my people i'd say maybe stop engaging the empirical day-today propaganda that makes you emotional but either way. We've cultivated the knowledge maybe we need to get past that stage and start building out and using what we now,

32:38 Yeah because as far as i can tell it's there in the space where you don't need a predictive model to be reasonably confident that at the moment trump is a two term president right so how do you feel about that unless he gets killed or something however you feel about that is a two term president so stop thinking about if you know what's gonna happen in the election Why are you gonna glue yourself to every pointless democrat debate and all the rest of it? You just kind of look out at November and go, well clearly he's going. Like if something else happens because we discussed this in Portland I'm pro Tulsi but

33:17 if she somehow gets the nomination she would be different ballgame right but until then he's a two term president you probably have better things to do and that's really how much time you can call back in your own life, timing like emotional strength doesn't matter if your pro or anti trump just leave it if you're happy that is gonna win. Then good you can have like that's one thing off my list if you want happy to get a windmill okay well that still what's gonna happen so i need to adjust my life towards happiness and flourishing it's not going to happen at the point of like yeah my team won, you have to find an elsewhere this is kind of what i said in portland is the upside of being in these.

34:02 times that were returned to normal actually become very predictable as a result right so if you know they're not going to return to normal then stop looking for help and sucker and sustenance in the rain hope that some kind of the nine center of moderate left person is gonna show up and fix everything like it's really predictable that the world is so weird. And just however drops the responsibility back on to you as a person to head in directions that contribute to your flourishing and the flushing people around you, Indeed yes and it is so cathartic to put down baggage that you don't need to be carrying its a beautiful thing. Yeah exactly i bet it's funny like you bring people good news and they freak out so the climate, no climate change is real but the climate alarmism is completely anti scientific right and it's funny you bring people the good news of their children are gonna die in eleven years and they react really in a hostile way

35:01 It's the same thing if you try to say that to people who still think voting democrat or republican is some sort of credible useful thing to do it has ever been use a well. The good news is when we hear the other trump is a two term president so put those bags down as you say great and people can like We're so invested in our hatreds and our fears, and they don't serve us. And now is not the time to be carrying them." And another thing i like from that podcast you did with connor was the stuff about getting outside of the algorithm no can't talk about but. Express a little bit differently about being more creative and less predictable because if this next decade is dominated by the technocracy and their algorithms, only make control easier when u react and act so predictably and beyond that i think

35:57 We might need to better understand the imagination and why it's such a crucial battleground because a lot of this stuff is affecting our mind space and, you know to think more creatively and to be less predictable. Is very important and it kinda starts in the mine which is what you guys were talking about but i think that A lot of people are still fuzzy on what that stuff even is the imaginative realm the dream world the spirit world i mean this is kinda where. The problem starts i guess if i was gonna say looking for the root cause of things that's where it would be, what should people know about how you interpret the imaginative round to understand as a battleground and maybe fortify against these attacks

36:46 Yeah, that's a great question. So Connor is an anthroposophist I'm not but so he was talking about basically the same thing from different angle to what i would and i would generally as you know resort to Gnostic metaphors for this so he met the algorithm we made the algorithm very specifically as a metaphor for the technocratizing influences in our life but also step up like the algorithm is a thing in reality so we can say it's a cipher or metaphor for the demiurge right so it's that do you know i think despiritizing segment ties and medical icing

37:24 removal of all color from life and instead of dropping down into gray predictability. And we joyously jump into that when it comes to digital platforms unfortunately, but the level connor and i were talking about is like we made on a level of reality so we use some digital examples like just be aware that you're you're in this homogenizing script when you resort to common phrases and so on and be a bit less predictable in your speech patterns not just online but say and do weird things write a poem break from the use of digital systems as a metaphor for life and I call this like the return to the analog which is something that when it was actually did strategist, what are the things they still coming with appears to have happened.

38:07 Tick tock is a good example of it is that if post digital world as a return to the analog and if you look at how what we misinterpreted digital trends right so jenzy in particular doesn't do this at millennial doctor photos thing its just quite confronting and up close gross even video or photos that just look anything else that is because even though he wouldn't be consciously saying this is a gen z person you're attempting to convey or participate in the real so that i like insta filter millennial approach is still heading in the direction of digital right because it's heading into this sort of perfected ones and zeros version. But even though ticktock is a digital platform however its being shared right same thing with snapchat because snapshot if you missed the moment

38:57 you don't get it and that is a way of using digital systems to essentially return to some kind of real. That's absolutely the energy now that's a real capricorn thing right i said grounding in a full two hours so be unpredictable, be analog and do we need unnecessary things like no i did this the other day but i was looking past and i haven't sent a postcard maybe ever if not millions of years I'm not gonna send a postcard because i was thinking of someone who's in new zealand whose address i remember from when i lived there and so what am i why not it was part of that little ritual to say i will do something i look at me the same this postcard. And let's unpredictable analog and that there is such power if you haven't done it for awhile with your life is very digitally mediated

39:45 It's gonna feel weird to start with but just do it be unpredictable be analog for a little bit do some little things and the medium term effect on you will be quite remarkable. Yeah i thought that was just really great advice and kind of terminology that could be applied a lot of different ways, what is important i mean our actions have been so whittled down to just that neck tilted in scrolling yeah Get out of that. Get out of that rut and just do something crazy! Exactly, so there's not that many... I still use Twitter but i don't use Instagram. I have a Facebook page but I haven't used my own Facebook account for like 2020 So like six years now And that's great only if you people email my parents to ask if I'm dead But other than that

40:33 there's another thing about being unpredictable if you are and we are inevitably embedded in digital systems it doesn't mean wonder off to walden pond right like. We do still have digital systems but there are unpredictable ways within that as well and one of them is to not have a complete digital profile i don't mean the having complete linkedin profile of that maybe thats part of it, i mean dont have all the pieces you expected to have when u are digitally monitored they can connect so social security number connects to credit card connects your amazon account connects to address. Connect two things did you share from amazon and facebook connects to your instagram annual phone again what's up in and so on and actually see that you have what's called a relational database. That is perfect and complete and can be used for

41:18 Individual monitoring but can also collapse people's lives on an individual basis and that technology is certainly used to do so have a broken. Relational database have bits missing in it and thats really good way to be unpredictable and i know alot of people its fucking great idea frankly remove all facebook apps weather there whatsapp or instagram messenger whatever off your phone And then do some meddling on the internet to see if you can find a new facebook monitoring from it because it's easier said than done right just two things like that just have a broken relational database, just be unpredictable make it slightly more difficult for the algorithm to squish you yeah one put in one foot out story my life.

42:06 Well, you know while we're talking about this era and how to navigate it I'm curious about the spirits. You know they don't take my calls like they take yours i feel like the Helen Keller of spirit contact but I'm sure that they can be sometimes as individualized as people but broadly speaking do spirits have any sort of collective message for The Times or have you seen any changes in tone or theme with your spirit engagements over time? Yeah absolutely and I actually realized we didn't answer the imaginable question but it's essentially the same one right which is when you talk about spirits and the spirit world and you talk about what do you think dream and the imaginal ears. If u think and there's a litmus test for it, which is do start with your description of dreams with it was just a dream do you think they are less real than your waking life

43:00 do you think they're in your head because none of these ideas are anyway scientifically validated because they can't be right. But also it's new that we thought that alfred whitehead would call the last three provincial centuries we decided to trap the entire spirit world and i had and say it was fake No other culture anywhere or anywhere including our own private three hundred years ago did that like if you look at the high middle ages and they take dreams very seriously as spirit of demon or angel contact to the point that if u. And this is something to be said for this to be honest but if you have a very alarming dream you go into the priest about it so on i mean specifically priests but i mean like if something like that happens, how does he talk too bad if you start to take these things seriously because

43:50 In an animus model, the spirit world is identical to the imaginal and the dream space. And there are in cultures around the world ways that we performatively interact with it right? So I'll give you a straight up original example so the use of corroboree or other kinds of ceremony is actually part of cognition which is to say...I mean it does a bunch of other stuff as well but its part of thinking behavior to get into ceremony or ritual form that because what you're doing is calling up from within you from the imaginal spirits and guides and ancestors and totems and beings from the dreaming. And so on, that will bring to bear their wisdom on the challenge you are facing that you then implement in your life now brains work like that. I don't mean minds. I mean brains like how many times have you told like, Oh, if you have creative blocker, if you can think of a solution go for a walk especially if it's in nature

44:44 Can you actually see that ritual action is an essential part of creativity right? Which begs the question what creativity is. So if the imaginal, it's the same thing as a spirit world then creativity is having a clean interaction and dialogue with a communion or whatever, what does it mean all ideas come from spirits but it means that you come to solutions by committee put it that way right. So to return to imagine when spirits in one of the spirits saying right now in anima systems as a result this is sometimes used as a gloss everything in the same way i've been using the imaginal and in that sense the tone is very

45:28 There is a post colonial reckoning that is happening now the last couple of centuries of european imperialism. In the previous decade or so most people become aware of it but not just that but the dead have returned to be counted because of it and all this stuff is a play out of that idea and you can say that specific spirits cause in individual cases it is or classes of spirit but we also see that astrologically an archetypal either way are in a moment where we can no longer avoid. The bones upon which the hills of bones upon which we've built houses even if we are and it's all true right like, even if we're seemingly innocent I live in tasmania which is decided to worst

46:12 Imperial genocide in the history of the british empire or the most successful shall we say that is really saying something. I didn't do it right i need to use a girl did not commit genocide on the native tasmanians. But im still here on contested haunted land because that happened and this is the spirits that are nearby come to be counted, add a challenging process but its necessary one as a result you get this in any other culture without results what we're seeing in the world is a kind of play out of fulfillment, of a lot of stuff that is happening in you can call it the imaginal collective unconscious spirit world. What are the same day friday and absolutely there's a case this is deeply decolonial moment and if you remember maybe the first ghostbusters movie when the titanic showed up with the dark and they all started coming off and the guy said better late than never yes that's the visual

47:15 The dead of empire, so the first nations of the Americas straight and aborigines but also like convicts and so on. Let's not make this a non-white versus white only thing although it is definitely that. The dead have returned to be counted, to be acknowledged. And if you don't, you get haunted by it and you get sick And that is what an animus could see looking at the geopolitics of the world but also each individual reaction in the western world. How are you ignoring it? Are you pretending it's not there, are you delighting in it? Are you taking this seriously or are you taking care of your spiritual health? This is what an animus would see when he or she looks at our point on a timeline

47:59 Yes that's awesome and because that's kinda what i had in my notes was a welling up because when i talk to people third hand who are more inclined to navigate the imaginative or spirit realm. That is kind of the general consensus is that there's a welling up i don't wanna say the chickens are coming home to roost necessarily but on the other side they're just seems to be this energy and people who Do walk between the world like it's coming you know i'm prepared but you know of the worlds prepare. Yeah your right to not use the chicken metaphor because its not a punishment so that they don't returning as punishment is reckoning like in exodus classic, the ghost of your murder victim comes back to kill you kind of thing it's not weirdly it's not that honestly

48:51 they're coming to be counted you need to look at it and say yes that happens so. In the nineties because we had a very racist but still our races prime minister in the nineties was a man called john howard, add he absolutely refused to apologize as head of state to the what's called the generation but for seventy years, the government of australia took aboriginal children from their families and put them in homes and just got me stuff the same thing. Actually great numbers better percentage of course happened with the first nations people it's a ghastly imperial tactic can you refuse to say sorry if he is to say sorry one because it's very sweet too

49:30 He was looking at it from a legal liability perspective which is to apologize to admit fault and so he didn't want that but the aboriginal conception of sorry sorry business which is that we all sit down. And grief together and grieve really really bad thing happened, sorry business is an allocating blame it technology right and that is spirit world logic and that's what I mean by the coming to be counted in a coming to destroy us but our refusal to count them is probably the thing that brings down the empire that was built on their backs which is the kind of broad

50:06 multi century european imperial project that culminates in america of course so i don't think they're coming to destroy us but our refusal to acknowledge them. Will probably do the same thing so you know love that for us yeah well said and not super provocative and i guess i was gonna ask how people who are listening this could just positively contribute or deal with that situation is all they really want acknowledgement and empathy. Yeah, it's a bigger and more profound thing than you realize so in the members area I have of course on magical geography and this goes into all of that acknowledgment of country stuff and things we can do as...I mean its not contentious to say occupiers or colonizers whatever like whatever we are ethnically and culturally what have you right?

50:56 edit as a result that kind of constellation or relational positioning with regards to you and country where we have to live is different because you can do that if your intuit but there is something. I told you this because i know you think that you can't hear or see what kind of spirits are not really feeling outside the spirit we expect it appearance to be like hollywood, the room gets cold and start to see your breath in all this actually sometimes i can happen most time it doesn't because the difference in an animal system is that a spirit just like real unreal physical nonphysical its visible invisible. So they're actually always there. They're built of speech and ideas, right? So when you call the spirits they are there sometimes they're closer in which case you get those very Hollywood effects but if you go outside let's just assume you are a non-native American and your listening to this And even if you are native american you probably got your own system it's cool

51:54 go out and stand i mean it's winter there so depending on where you are preferably barefoot on the ground and do a knowledge of country and that is aboriginal custom but you basically know you acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land and elders past present future. And just do that doesn't even need to be able to get me specific things but just to be aware that which i think america is it's been very interesting being not american my entire life right the discourse as you go through your repeated wars this time around the last couple of them people are actually where does it mean propaganda isn't working people actually aware we should be doing this what the hell with bad guys and i don't mean rank-and-file americans who may love but

52:40 the same thing that we had a little bit delayed with britain when realization of my goodness where the bad guys and thats kinda that same energy right. Add it doesn't mean just because you're not one of the joint chiefs that's drone striking children in yemen, Doesn't mean i'm not doing it so what no i'm in a relation to the crimes of this world and. That doesn't mean you have to like its not a question of paying for them it's a question of seeing that they're there is that sorry business if thats what the spirits come for us, do you acknowledge they asked me counted in that sense we want to add that will be too much detriment well i'll do it all i'll do that ritual see what happens but

53:23 It just seems like a good idea regardless to be humble to acknowledge that if your life is really good right now that it's probably because. Someone else might have suffered in the past i mean americans gotta have little of that feeling there and to acknowledge it, regardless is just got to be a good thing it humbles you up anyway and i think its maybe a good thing for our times if you've never done it you can have the most materialist justification for it right which is people who are grateful live happier lives and we have the dull materialists science to prove that in the same way, we had the dollar to realize i need to prove that people who regularly go to temple church.

54:06 are happier and live longer lives. And the same thing, people who regularly pray are happier and live longer lives and have less health outcomes. So you can actually have... obviously I don't it's a falsified belief system but you can have the most materialist argument because people like meaning spirits aren't real i'm like cool fine Are you going to, like Mr. Materialist are you going to avoid these data then because I will make a materialist argument for you to do this and they still won't and that's when you realize that actually everyone does believe in the spirits and a lot of the time that's just them being scared Yeah yeah and sometimes that don't materialist data does help to get some people started if you're at least open minded so that's a beautiful thing but i wanted to pay because i thought we'd be way deeper into this by now but hey this is how these things go. I want to ask about conspiracy trends these days while were still in the first hour little bit on the squeeze it in there

55:01 Mainly this theme of phantom time or heavily manipulated history. The history hoax as it were that a timeline that's radically different from reality has been crafted to keep us in ignorance, maybe a cataclysm happened way more recently than we realize maybe this is how all these interconnected royal families seized control and rewrote the human story It's one of these big epic things That's fun to speculate about but there have have been leaders who have told their scribes to alter dates and make them seem like some anointed leader. There is something to be said about the further you go back, the less source material there really is oftentimes coming from sources that really could only be state sponsored. And because you're a history nerd I'm curious what you think of this trend and how much of the history we can trust when we know mainstream historians take so much at face value they're not always factoring in manipulation?

56:02 Yeah that's definitely true and it's funny like that is the kind of macro not canad but thats a kinda like macro 50% up thing that seems to be going on because if you use ago we spoke about it of course it was flat earth. And again I'll say the same thing there they did here which is wrong but built on some curious observations right now remember human morphology and the fact Where are you so it's very unusual for an animal so that we can actually see anything of ourselves and, what kind of disembodied in the world doesn't look flat from our probably high center gravity above and stuff to the human is built in such a way that the planet.

56:42 looks flat right and that is weird to me that's kind of it doesn't mean i did clearly but so there are some interesting data that you get this way can we do conspiracy yoga in those kinds of things now as for like the history one which is that maybe history doesn't go for as long as possible or is it we're told and what's your history is contested and always has been like its fine boring but we have to start here today that you know it is written by the victors it is a situation that. is politically problematic and as a result changes all the time now that is definitely true. The other thing it's the same with flat earth is that we can't talk about history without acknowledging that we've probably got time very very wrong, how do you do this comes back to again we have this weird linear improbably

57:36 Our experience of time and description of it is linear and regular. And that's again, that's a Northwest European erroneous idea because every other culture has some sort of cycle model right? So that when I talk about my day counters who are very interested in it, It's essentially that cosmically every Wednesdays the same Wednesday and every Friday is the same Friday so that time Place balance and stringing along on this even metronomic line. When you start to think of time cyclically, And you don't have to go as far as that. You don't have to go as far as like every moment is the one moment there is something spiritually and paranormally correct about that, and if you look at certain 40 in events and paranormal events where people are chariots stage coaches it just kind of like appeared on a modern road you can realize that time is probably stacked in how we experience place and not is definitely what you will get from traditional cultures around the world who will tell you things

58:36 And so before we look at anomalies in history, we need to realize that many of them emerge from the fact that we do not have time correct. Like it had a major update just in the 20th century right? Like oh look! It warps with gravity like yeah fine like our measurement over does but there's a bigger one coming and some of the well the oldest continually practicing cultures on earth like Australian Aborigines have as almost like their core area of cultural exploration is time and dimensions. And I've been doing this for tens of thousands of years, we've been doing it for a few hundred and their version of it looks very different they can do some eerie shit with it so when we look at the sort of fraught area fake or shortened history also on it is a whole bunch of things put into play rather than being you know shortens

59:29 Maybe completely written like this entire continent and so on that have been just absolutely out of history. Those are the things can happen tactically and it's not to deny that those there is more than those anomalies when we typically discuss them, we expect them to come out of this idea that we understand time correctly and we don't so for instance the dreaming. What is your dreamtime isn't like a very far ago moment that you know the creator dreams because my center being it's now like it is powering the universe now sell. The kind of ancient ancestral forms that shape the landscape in lay down to be those things are still doing at first creation event is like

1:00:12 light bulb that still going right and so if there's something to that i'm doing my big bang is incorrect whatever service something to this imminent. All times of the one time model which is what we get from every mystic pretty much around the world is this kind of like there isn't really time. There is just this kinda like you made it to consciousness experience and things that's probably in some sense correct that shed more challenging light on their parts of history they're fake or we've invented entire timelines and so on because if in the tension between us getting time wrong and the way that time probably does work you can get some weird artifact right we are stuff being thrown up and thats before, you get to humans survive another five hundred years were going to be quite competent at what we would call time travel so. Time it's more interesting to me to look at the anomalies in time rather than the normal history i guess

1:01:14 Yes i think that's a good answer obsession with the timeline is kind of a fundamental. Error but what i like about it is its kinda this it sets the stage for some other ideas like, the alien zoo earth is up people farm because you have to you can't get there you kinda have to say well we were given this timeline of history to give us a context that distracts from some recent capture some total capture the minds of the entire planet essentially and

1:01:51 It would hide us from some crazy situation we could be in it is like the building blocks to get you to something like that people farmer the aliens do it's why i like it but there's a lot of data you have to kind of. ignore or i don't know it doesn't seem intellectually honest to say that kind of in the same way with the flat earth it's like yes nasa lie does has nasa shown us fake photos of the year yeah but there is a lot of people looking at your words. I like pulling the good bits out of someone's this is the conspiracy thing going to get someone's hypothesis so you just used

1:02:29 essentially, there being a late in history hijack that conceals our true nature from ourselves to allow this thing to run. So that's a re-description of Gnosticism, that is a re-description of certain kind of like Vedic approaches to essentially reality being Maya or illusion that we have see through right and so in both of these cases if people are this is what starships about a people come out from the materialist perspective, they're redescribing a true mystic things like the time issue right there describing a true mystic thing. But because they don't think things like spirits or mysticism are valuable, you do end up with a literal aliens literally messing with your timeline model. And ultimately they're saying the same thing right which is we need to awake from the dream of history and see who we really are and it's a re-description of a spiritual quest so that's ancient aliens right? Like ancient aliens is

1:03:29 error materialist nothing happened but it's like a materialist era in misunderstanding the impact of the spirit world and the development of mankind culture. This is the same situation here and there are weirdly like so, who's interested version let me give you like a non materialist hijack around the enlightenment We have this idea and again it comes if i did the people then i mean is literally. But a collection of ideas came to the surface of northwest european culture that split mind from body and then forgot about my entirely and essentially divorced us from the spirit world that is literally what

1:04:10 Satan or the Demiurge would do, or has been trying to do. So did it? Did that actually happen? Look at the disaster that befell the world – sure some good things but look at the ecological disasters and bloodshed that resulted from that split, that fissure between us and body-and-spirit worlds. We did that! That was all ideas we built European empires on them so that's a hijack And that hijack completely changed how we viewed other cultures. So whilst people were racist before, they weren't medically racist because we had medicine and biology and whatever. We didn't think other humans were biologically inferior to us to the point that we could put them on boats and move them about the world to fucking pick cotton. That comes from this hijack, this idea that matter is dead. The universe has no meaning

1:05:03 You see it all kind of grows from this one thing so yeah finally enough about three hundred years ago i will say and mean it completely 100% true we were hijacked, we were hijacking a change history in the script is in prison so you see what I mean. It happens but if we don't look at it philosophically and mystically we might miss the medicine Yes man it's very similar to how in previous episodes we have. Deconstructed ancient aliens and kind of massage that hypothesis basically just like you say you say haunting things we basically wanted it, add can i said yeah there something here but because the canvas what should be the world is just so wrong your putting it in a box that isn't accurate and thats maybe the same for the history hooks stuff

1:05:56 That's exactly and i love anomalous history like i have bookshelves of you know we had shit under the water and a lot of that michael cream stuff is like trill bites rather than boot prints and so on but some of it isn't i love all that i don't think. As you said, I think our model is there yet to cohere that into something. And that's where we tend to run off in and it's human nature to do that right? Like is honestly human nature to build story around things whether you have the pieces or not and so it's nothing wrong with it right history stuff has some interesting information to share but it isn't very good example it's like ancient aliens this dematerializing needs to happen before that project becomes kind of like

1:06:40 I know philosophically interesting i guess is a word to me. I like it i think that makes a lot of sense man and what battlegrounds do you see twenty twenty being about what agenda should we maybe look for not necessarily that we need to solve them but things to avoid or not get wrapped up yeah clearly climate change the big one that's gonna be a huge debate that is gonna just divide families all kinds gonna cause a lot of chaos just the people who are banging that drum other drums you see about to be banged that we should maybe watch out for. So thats the main one and the reason to avoid is because it doesn't get sold in twenty twenty i don't mean climate change console i mean, is not the time to sit down and rationally

1:07:33 have a discussion about various climate impacts because it's actually weaponized caught up in people's instead of unthinking rank and file. Emotions to what is kind of like apocalyptic death cult with one hand but that's been driven his thing g7 is trying to maintain its control of g twenty which is where all the growth is with a climate alarm is in there and it's very very good idea because it is based on something that's real right so you're in this challenging situation going along as much as crap scientifically speaking, get is an op right but its not because we are hundred fifty warming trend humans and the company excited in some way part of that.

1:08:18 It doesn't get told. That's just one to fucking avoid because everyone is sick of it, the people in the death cult are sick of not being dead yet and people not caring that we're about to die and everyone else is sick of hearing that their children are about to die so that is not a good recipe for like a healthy discussion So all you do is shut your fucking mouth for like a year-and-a-half or maybe especially as I see this happening We've got a centre right government Australia You're gonna get Trump again the discussion gets worse before it gets better because there will be some unwinding of that kind of like tpp you and style globalist plots that is using climate alarmism, and thats gonna cause a lot of anger. It's probably good thing as long as it doesn't take with other genuine policy investment pathways to how we live in a changed world right but getting rid of like the ops instead of being carbon negative by paying money too

1:09:17 factories that will just pump carbon dioxide into the earth. This is a globalist scam and that's probably lost the mandate of heaven so, the alarmists are going to be apoplectic and everyone else is sick of the alarmist today already avoided. That's the main one and stay out of the election stuff as much as you can but like on a global basis talking not just about Americans? That's the one! You can have an opinion about the looming collapse of the euro if you want That properly collapses not in 2020 but it begins to happen. But really, it's just cool you're just keep quiet and do your research about this thing because it's not a rash. You can't argue with someone who is irrational and everyone who was publicly talking about this stuff is irrational

1:10:06 Yeah, yeah i mean it what i was thinking when you're talking about that is kinda like a parent who needs to wait out the tantrum yes absolutely have a conversation. That's correct it is that strategic thing because again you really need to take care of your own brain chemistry in your image this year because its challenging enough twenty nineteen was twenty twenty it's gonna be more of the same with a little bit more of that graphic grind so just be really judicious about the fights you pick up the hills you wanna die on because there is not any number of hills and your only damaging yourself

1:10:43 be honest it doesn't help you do anything just hurting yourself by getting an internet argument about climate is just find a better way. Yeah that is the big one and something in your space that i was gonna maybe ask you about in this round is just a call and magic, content in media because there's definitely an explosion of it and things like netflix we know how much deep state intelligence money goes into crafting a lot of the stuff we see especially in the next space that's where the eyes are so thats what they're putting their money. Do you see anything that your preparing for in terms of like,

1:11:24 A reaction or an effect caused by this injection of the occult in a lot of mass media because people tend to. No run with bad ideas when that kind of stuff happens i mean do you think this is gonna have any kind of measurable affect on the culture? So it's in the members area but I gave a talk this time last year in Brisbane called speak of the devil which kind of opens with talking about the amount of. Devil and occult content that is showed up there's more right now like I was listening to chris knolls on some podcast recently and then said like they got small kids you can't not buy a book that's got magic in it for kids that's interesting cuz i don't buy children books so i didn't know that stuff right

1:12:09 Some of it is, let's say 80% of it is kind of what we were talking about before. At this point in the timeline as these ideas of the occult and spirits and whatever are really close to the surface of the collective unconscious so you get that showing up in culture. It also, arguably, has a result of that weaponized in specific directions in certain instances and its probably the case with some of the Netflix stuff but I kinda think because it's a bubble like culture goes through bubbles Things it's being interested in was sort of a second half of it I guess and. A lot of the stuff is coming out now really shit some of what was electrifying interesting to start with but now its kind of crap and it's funny even longer running shows like, last stranger things wasn't very good later series of sabrina wasn't very good but the first one was like it's just actually think we're at the end of it actually think great the end of each moment

1:13:04 And i hope what happened is that as they the spirits of got close to the surface they picked up a few of us. Who maybe when it was before then we can go back to being quiet but just think its what happens now like, the model use very often is of course charles ford's model dominance which is kinda like eras and so heading into the dominant white inclusions witchcraft and what that means is things that were previously not allowed to be true like the existence of spirits and magic and so on now are true, and they become orthodoxy. I think that's the prominence of magic and witchcraft in culture has been kind of like the unconscious announcement that we've moved into that dominant. And we'll move out a bit it's not like its end of history we will move out eventually but at the moment probably for the next 50-100 years we're gonna dominate the fort called wider inclusions and then that time

1:13:56 to my satisfaction we have it but in that time we will have verification of actual aliens and psy capacities and other such things will be used in a business environment like if you think about what the actual next hundred years are going to be like kind of in like a rune soup THC world where did job at night mixed and complicated ufo disclosure remote viewing projects all this kind of stuff it's happening you just gonna wind forward in time maybe a hundred years maybe less than fifty. I like it will be normal stuff doesn't mean we're going to change our lives in the same way that

1:14:38 the existence of quantum physics doesn't change your day to day life right like it might power allegedly a few things in your life but you don't operate differently because we're gonna be the same thing with, the afterlife or sigh hopefully you were supposed to invest in a invasion probably not. I think that's what we see and i know people freak out about it but we discussed this many times which is there a lot of refugees in conspiracy land from some ecstatic and psychologically damaging churches who even if they think they're past it are still very terrified of things like magic and they shouldn't be again that's like a white person problem because it's not really how the rest of cultures approach the existence of magic. Yeah good point and you know someone what your saying about the dominant wider inclusion is why i've been doing so many shows with guests on ether physics or alternative energy because im trying to

1:15:32 get ahead of that or allow the audience to see no there is something real here and as i was out you're gonna be ahead of the game more so than someone who thinks q anon is helping you help the president destroy the deep state yes what other conspiracy shows do those and i'll bet my money that if we learn about either physics alternative energy will be, how did the game. in five years. Like our material will still be relevant." Yep, and that's the right strategy. Good to hear! So lastly you are always doing new stuff with your premium membership always churning out new courses the new one coming out is a wealth magic course and that's exciting maybe you can give us a little preview of that because most of the courses seem to be about magical tools right sigils tarot grimoires

1:16:18 But this is kind of more of a magical aim that I would think would use several the previous tools but what should people expect from this world magic course. Yes so if you don't know what happens in the site numbers actually vote for their quarterly courses we do it so i kinda don't know until the end of one quarter when its going to be in the end of q3 because we dont do anything for. The weather for wealth magic and it's just changes you say like before the stuff has been quite tactical arguably is like a world of magic and for people who are interested you can get access to all of them when you join it's not like school library that has necessitated kind of.

1:16:58 Like it starts very soon by the time this is out I think module zero would have been announced so you can still join. But yeah, it's necessitated a step change because funnily enough, I don't think wealth magic exists like I don't think it is separate right? And it comes back to like defining wealth and whatever and it's not just like what even his wealth man in like a bungrap way because it isn't thing even if you know about its absence You know the feeling of it but they're feeling of it might be different If your like a Masai warrior admiring your cattle Versus i don't know if you're so yes it has necessitated different things actually quite very chaos magic in the sense that we will be doing some not high level seven ten speleo shifting because this stuff that goes on is people pursue prosperity show me say or flourishing

1:17:50 Where they bring some ideas that even if they're accurate don't serve them. I'm talking about mostly intersectional and like wrong headed twitter intersectional stuff about, various oppressive networks it doesn't matter whatever particular intersectional constellation you have of having some kind of disability or being trans or being white to whatever it is. That's the whole point of intersectionality isn't up It's very good as an internal assessment but if you try to use it to describe the world, you ruin yourself. It's fucked! So even if its true the fastest way to overcome it is to believe that it's not true and that is deep chaos magic and thats fucking hard

1:18:34 I can do it. Something wrong in my mind where belief shifting is sweet for me." So we're going to be doing stuff like that, and it's going to take people into some uncomfortable places but I think they're necessary because the rest of this stuff... People who join the site even if they are beginners quickly get reasonably good at magic. Sigils, the way I have it set out, they work right? And if you're feeling particularly bossed you can crack open a grimoire and have an alarming evening. Same thing with tarot and journeying, this stuff will do the things that I'm telling you it can do." So that's not where a big chunk of the focus in The Wealth Magic course is going to be. It's going to be in the belief shifting. It's taking core Chaos Magic tech and running with it because I spent...it was good that it was gonna be Q1 because as they said, I give away the stuff I want to do in Q4 rather than having the members pick a course so actually had three months

1:19:24 I put my work into this, this is the same for all the courses but more than a book's worth of work has gone into this and it was because I had to unpick such as it is my own success over the years like I had a real good career before I did this and I chose to end it. And you know now I'm doing this thing and how did why is that? Because I've got some pretty good intersectional stuff episodic depression gay double migrant like there's a whole bunch of things yes I'm white and male there's a whole bunch of stuff In my intersections that. I could use an excuse if i had a cheap rate achieved and that's kind of the energy that's the capricorn energy we bring where im coming to your excuses in this course. And that is out of love so that's what were doing there fair and you touched on the fact that the secret sauce at thc as u r my diversity guest, yeah i mean that's a bad one for conspiracy guys so you know but yes n

1:20:28 Just something that maybe is a parallel to what you're saying about bringing beliefs and baggage to something like this is the experience i had of just. And the conspiracy side i had a lot of angst over, When i was younger fuck these rockefellers and rothschilds keeping me stuck in this nine to five shit storm. And you know there are reasons of course to be critical of the rockefeller's neroth child but it's not as personal, add i thought it was when i was on the other side of success When it happened and i made the show at work that was like oh they don't really care they obviously crafted school in a system to keep the majority of people down but if i swim upstream, they don't really care about me that was my own ego i guess thought that they did. It's you inherited and wasn't even had a chance to fail yet but you inherited

1:21:22 The excuse for failure because let me tell you the rockefellers in the rothschilds don't sit around going fuck those rockerfellas and rothschild so can we make a belief shifting what are they using what do they believe that gets them to where they are and is it different to what you believe, i need something too bad and not fucking chaos magic and there is of course there is. So that's really good example of the belief systems that your using If they don't serve you, even if they're true. If they don't serve you who are you hurting yourself? Well said and that is just one of those threads between us it is why you've been on the show eleven times and are still the reigning guest king lucky number 11 I'm into it yes very cool well

1:22:10 You know i always love having you here it seems like the next time we'll talk is gonna be as we traipse our way through the amazon on our ayahuasca retreat this summer absolutely looking forward to that yes I'm very excited and scared and uh, you know? I guess I'll see ya then man. Nice one well thank you very much great chat as ever! And this is the way good people of the internet Gordon Magic Makin' White back for the 11th time And as always, I thought there was a lot to like today. I know with Gordon some of it becomes about me or becomes about us and the respective countercultures that we operate in but sometimes it's very cathartic for me sort of my conspiracy host therapy conspiracy yoga for all the rest of us and therapy for me and also strategy somewhat

1:23:05 Not only for me, who's out here running this thing alone and without much guidance. But for all of us trying to wade through some pretty chaotic times! And hey if you got a wizard in your life lean in when they got something to say about it right? The overall theme going into is just where we are in this transition to a new year and the arbitrary man-made Gregorian rat race driving calendar cycle... ...and conspiracy yoga is a good term First off, it's not so serious. But it's also about working out these ideas that emerge from our particular counterculture and I don't think it's all that well-defined actually. There is a ton of overlap with the things me and Gordon are both doing but its just fun to frame it up that way And so we work out these ideas We pull on them and see what kind of merit they have and also where they could be adjusted for better accuracy

1:24:02 And it goes back to one of the first things I took away from a conversation with Gordon, which is that the conspiracy crowd is right to be skeptical and distrusting. We all know that! But maybe braming down the right lane sometimes but just not hitting the right targets in particular when it comes to magic and the occult And I do think some of the typical Western empire-implanted ideas that are incorrect create a box that our theories tend to stay inside of sometimes. If the universe is magical, if the magical worldview is accurate—which I think it is—that blends into and affects so many different themes and ways to look at the world

1:24:49 And I know for myself, I actually get pretty disappointed in me when i forget that or leave it out. The esoteric and mystic and gnostic has always been a part of Gordon's mindset and it hasn't always been a part of mine? So even though I'm on board my brain doesn't always fold it in right away sometimes I have to have my nose rubbed in it like a dog spot on the rug just to remind me But it is the, to use a Gordon term, the haunting or the dematerializing of these concepts that I like so much about these conversations. Because it's like even for some pretty epic things, the point is yes we can share this same fascination with some of these data points no doubt but maybe the conclusions are sometimes too simplistic

1:25:42 or to use a less condescending phrase, too rooted in the materialism that we're all brought up in. Which itself is an incorrect model handed down from on high! So maybe a magic crowd should be the first to see through a lot of it but we should be a close second so I thought this was fun It's a little longer than usual and I wanted to make sure we got the history stuff in the first hour That's maybe the most major thematic critique today, and there were some good points there too. Let's not pretend like history hasn't always been contested and let's try to work out how we can trust historians that don't factor in true conspiratorial perspectives and influence In fact I wish there was a Dan Carlin of conspiratorial history! That's a market in a podcast that I would love to see exist

1:26:36 What catalysts for war or justifications for expansion, or whatever have we not looked at critically because they were just before our time? But I also liked the point about how we think of time. A lot of the history hoax stuff is very much rooted in looking at time the way The Empire has taught it to us and that way is wrong! It's not how other cultures look at time, and a secular model is not only more accurate but I do see how it sort of allows for more anomalies just in and of itself. Also between the time we recorded this and the time its released Australia did see some rain so that's good! I guess some THC fans down there must have made some cloudbusters this week or something.

1:27:23 But that's the show. If you haven't signed up for the Hireside Chats Plus, but you listen to those free hours I think you're missing a lot for the $8 and maybe I'm biased but hey we got the system running well especially for new signups You can listen in the same way you listen now i have instructions made up for all the good apps You can preview the frequently asked questions page first To make sure I got something for ya' but come on in In this particular episode the conversation got into what Gordon thinks is history's greatest lie agreed upon, what is a 9-11 of the past. We talked about medical conspiracies in the deeper history, herbology poisons and witchcraft A not so comfortable section breaking down my magical failings of 2019

1:28:16 We talked about navigating the death process and not getting stuck. We don't have context for that today, but a lot of cultures were very smart to emphasize preparation for all that. We also talked about post-death spirit traps in The Moon, the 72 most rune suit movies of the decade, lore seeding fiction in The Hollow Earth, and Gordon's pick for the conspiracists' hopeful moment of 2019 So there it is, action-packed and commercial free. And I try to keep all these episodes pretty content rich and i hope I do enough to make it worth your time. I am quite confident in what I'm doing but it does sometimes feel very risky to critique what the wider conspiracy media is focused on. And to decide to do things a little differently is also scary

1:29:11 But when I see plus signups go up rather than down, it makes me feel like these are the right decisions. But i hope its understood we try to focus on what's valuable over what's trendy aggressive and divisive and we try to do it in a non-partisan way there is all this talk about everybody's on team red or team blue and my opinion Team Red AND Team Blue are both more similar then whatever it is we are. But, whatever! Thanks so much for sticking around to the end I wish you all the best luck this year We might need it And also as always thank you to our guest RuneSoup.com For more Gordon I've done my part Your move history hiders magic deniers and operators of The Big Materialist Machine Your fucking move This is important hear what I said

1:30:09 I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia, not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while i still can To ask you cuz' I know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our- Can't you just admit, We're screwed I'm gonna tell you anyway It's a scary dark world Scarier everyday okay Can't you see that we're so- You sit and wish but we don't have a choice Seems were stuck here But you can find no sis Drown out the noise Now use that altar

1:31:31 End up your magic game And listen to THC, you know You go with the entities If you ever see a foe Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed But you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit, we're screwed I'm gonna tell ya this anyway It's a scary dark world I'm scared everyday of what you say Be okay! Can't you see that we're so- eeeh eeh eh

1:32:48 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world Something scarier every day Can't you see that we're still