Free Plus Show: Tracy Twyman | Ancient Esoteric Cults, Elite Beliefs, & Conquering The Sun

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04:10 Alright, Hiresight Chatters. It seems the more one might dig into the closed-door activities of The Elite... ...the more messed up it gets from spirit cooking and Pizzagate to strange backwoods rituals and odd entity alignments that don't match anything we've seen in the mainstream circles And not only do these activities exist to satisfy the sexual and psychopathic desires of the Capstone Cabal, but it also seems like many of these cloak-and-dagger traditions go back centuries as the preserved bloodlines of powerful people work towards arcane aims that make one wonder if they're even human. Well, with us today is returning guest Tracy Twyman to dive deeply into her latest work in trying to understand the rituals and symbolic meanings behind some of today's most notorious secret cults and traditions at the upper crust perhaps tracing back to the time of the gods themselves.

04:57 You might remember the previous times Tracey has been here once to talk about her book Clock Shavings and her personal exploration of the occult, making contact with several entities including what seems to have been the legendary entity Baphomet. And again more recently to discuss another book of hers, Baphomet The Temple Mystery Unveiled where she talks about the Knights Templar, the disembodied head of John the Baptist and the idea that rituals in veneration for Baphomet by the Knights Templar was their secret source power and knowledge that several of the financial alchemy tools they used to amass their wealth emerged from. Both far out in interesting shows, and of course Tracy has written several other great books about the subjects we love to explore including Mind Controlled Sex Slaves in The CIA, The Dragon Legacy-The Secret History Of An Ancient Bloodline, Money Grows On The Tree Of Knowledge, And now her first novel Genuflect which uses fiction as a vessel to discuss these deep level disclosures more safely

05:54 So let's get this party started. A woman who is not afraid to stare into the heart of darkness and say, Is that all you got? Tracy Twyman welcome back to Higher Side Thank you so much, Greg. I appreciate you having me on. Yeah! I really love having you here and this novel is fascinating and it goes into some really dark places It gets into those things at the deepest end of the conspiracy pool ritualistic rape and murder by the puppet masters of the planet And obviously we've had a couple related dust-ups in the news cycle related to these things since we last talked But to kick this off, since we're talking about a novel can you help clarify where the line is between fact and fiction in this new book? Because it seems pretty detailed and well researched but maybe the names have been changed to protect the author.

06:42 It should be fairly easy if you read it all the way to tell where the line is, but there's some definite caveats and disclosures I need to make ahead of time. So if you read, you'll notice that main character Pamela Auger seems a lot like me because she has a job kind of like mine writing books like mine. She has books that are like mine except with slightly changed titles so she is kinda like me but She has a more exciting life and she's a little bit better suited to having adventures, you know. So she doesn't have a husband and a child I don't think i even said what age she was...I imagined her being a little bit younger and more fit and just more able to jump around and spring around the world if she needs too And that's where I left it because I didn't want to really tell people what to imagine too much

07:33 I kinda just told the story and as far as the characters were concerned, i do give a bit of description but really leave it to imagination too. Some other characters involved people recognize has been based on historical figures and figures in current news and current events so certainly there's a villain that is kind of based on Michael bloomberg and the reason for this is because when i was formulating this whole idea which was about august in september of last year i really first my first idea was just to write about. Just secret society cult type organizations,

08:16 Doing you know rituals with children rape rituals based on the Knights Templar and I imagine something having to do with you know, the deep web and some of this dark pornography that spread there And so I started to formulate that. I decided I wanted to have it set in London and I remembered this Monument that i've seen my husband my previous husbands name brian is deceased now he and i were in england. In two thousand five we came across this thing when we were just walking down the strand which isn't, the city of london that burrow there's a district of london called the city of london which is the financial district so you're walking through their running across this thing that was an ancient temple of methros

09:00 that had been discovered. It was left over from the old Roman city of Londinium, that pre-existed everything else there in England and London before it was called England. And so anyway there's this ancient Roman temple to the god Mithras but it had been moved to where we stumbled upon it from its original location which was just really a few feet down the road but when they found it in 1954. when they were excavating to try to build an office building. And they actually had to build the office building right away, so they didn't even really have time to do proper archaeology there but they picked up the temple and moved it down the road and tried to reconstruct it as best that could So what I found was a poorly reconstructed version. About eight months ago or whenever I started outlining this novel, I thought oh! It would be great to mention The Temple of Mithras

09:59 In the novel so i just looked it up you know refresh my memory about where was located and came to find out that's you know since 2005 last time in england michael bloomberg has purchased. The land on which the original temple of myth is a place with it where did been discovered and he's building his He was calling it his European headquarters when he originally started trying to do this, but then Britain pulled out of the EU. So I think that's why he is now calling it just as London headquarters. But anyway, he's building this huge building. It's going to be the biggest building in terms of land mass and I guess just the massive the materials being used. It's one of the largest construction projects in other words that has occurred in London

10:50 And so it's going to be right there where the original temple of Mithras was. And he has already done it, really moved the reconstructed temple back to its original place in the exact same spot where it used to be and is going to try to renovate it better than ever. So anyway when I discovered this, I thought well I have to have a scene there at that temple and then I started researching Mithrism and Cybele worship which I had already decided that i was going to work into the story somehow, and it all just sort of came together perfectly. And it became this...I mean, I know I need to wind down my answer here but that became the opening point at which everything that I had planned on putting in my story sort of came together in this magical way

11:38 I didn't even realize was as perfect as it turned out to be. So, yeah so the location is based on a real location which is this real Temple of Mithras has been moved to this place and the new Bloomberg building is going to be opened and well they told me before the third quarter of this year when I started writing this they weren't saying So i just projected and i said you know maybe it'll happen by march of twenty eighteen and then there was some very important dates having to do with the end of march in twenty eighteen that ended up becoming part of the story the main characters based on bloomberg but.

12:16 You know, it's a lot. I mean in a lot of ways he is different too because my character is interested in and a lot of really deep subjects you know a lot of esoteric occult subjects and he's interested in philosophy and surrealist art and stuff and of course he's involved some really nefarious things like raping children and murdering people, and all these are things that I have no reason to believe Michael Bloomberg is doing. So I guess that's where the fact and fiction separate. Right fair enough! And i do find this Mithras Temple Find really intriguing the idea that Bloomberg is

12:52 Concerned about it at all is fascinating to me to the elite places are so important and also how things were in the ancient world they always seem to try to be. manifesting prophecy and all kinds of strange stuff that does often center around locations like this. And another thing you've said about this in one of your blogs was that, this Bloomberg place is supposed to be the smartest building in Europe built to generate its own energy and even share it with nearby buildings. You mentioned technology to maximize the efficiency of the workers inside. I just went to a conference

13:29 on consciousness with like really far out tech valley speakers like guys from google and all that stuff in one of them did talk about this very company he started that is supposed to have something i imagine it working like a wifi signal light just radiating an area in a signal. But that's what it's about is measuring brainwaves and trying to biohack your way to greater efficiency. And I was like, wow! This is really what they're talking about. Just having economic slaves isn't enough you really want to squeeze every last bit of blood out of them that you can. It's messed up. Yeah well reality again provided everything I needed to create this fictional story and then

14:12 I mean the whole thing just turned into this magical process because i would write things come up with things in my own mind that i thought were just totally made up and, in fact, i thought were kind of unbelievable. And then you know i'd just do a little bit of research try to write work things in try to see what i could do to back it up a little bit and i find out that i'm exactly right or that something that i had dreamed up sometimes it would happen a couple days after i wrote about it in my story and i hadn't shown it to anyone you know something very similar would happen on the news As far as the building is concerned, yeah. First I said to myself this Temple of Mithras is great and I've got to have some scenes here. And started looking into the building that Michael Bloomberg's going to put there and it's based on another building in the Netherlands. Yes, it's at The Netherlands. There was a Dutch designer who came up with these ideas. They've got this term

15:11 I guess it's in dutch that means the new work and here is what it is man so you describe some of it in bloombergs planned building okay there something called a digital ceiling. And this, its super energy efficient it knows everything everyone doing beneath right so it monitoring you with the camera with all kinds of other sensors that would monitor your heat and You know, following each individual around the building as they go. And the purpose of this they say is energy efficiency so they'll know when you're going somewhere and when you've just arrived, they need to provide more light and heat in that area for instance

15:56 you know the building is smart enough to figure out what your patterns are your habits during the day so it'll try to anticipate them and then there's this other thing where in this building one of these new work kind of buildings including bloomberg people will not have their own desks they must try to score a desk when i get to work They're discouraged from using the same desk everyday they get lockers to put their possessions in because the tables that they have don't have drawers or anything so you supposed to put your things in a locker and shouldn't even use the same locker two days in a row.

16:34 Oh another things like especially the executives people kind of in charge a certain department and stuff they can set up little codes. That the digital ceiling will read so they can make like i hand gesture or something and it will know what in the building needs to happen next and signal robots to come and bring you food are just all sorts of things. Bloomberg's building is going to be crawling with your self sufficient robots, and the building that is kind of inspired by in the netherlands is also you know already doing that. The gate to the parking garage opens up right before u drive because it knows its since your card knows who are you know what opens up degree you when, oh they need a thing about how you know there's gonna be a gym an exercise room. And all the exercise equipment is hooked up to generators so that while your exercising generating energy

17:30 Okay, the windows themselves are solar panels. And in fact from what I was reading all the new buildings and ones that are built with any kind of decent budget, the big skyscrapers and stuff they're all going to soon be covered with these windows that are actually sucking in solar energy too so he's got this amazing building that he is building with this idea of yes being energy efficient but also trying to... With his new work concept where no one is allowed to have a desk or anything Yeah, supposedly try to make you interact more with the other employees or something. I just to me is I would never want to go to work it sounds awful right? Right What do you think Greg would you wouldn't work in a place like that Absolutely not. I mean obviously some of that stuff from the technology standpoint Sounds pretty appealing but it does also seem like it's a lot of razzle-dazzle To hide some potential darkness and a more cutthroat

18:25 throw-at-work environment for sure, and I don't think we need any more of that. But is there anything else we should say about this location of esoteric significance either in the ancient world or the Temple of Mithras aspect rather than Bloomberg's building itself? Well, I have had my theories about what the significance might be you can tell it is a very significant spot and here's why for one thing its Right next to several buildings that are important to finance particularly in england and of course you know the spikes tension the rest of the world because london still is very much. Kind of the center of finance in a lot of ways you know and like the golden silver prices are still fix their you know they still need in a lot of ways

19:14 The global markets and so it's symbolically and in truth very significant for the world economy london is particular this district called the city of london which is really the original. I mentioned there was Londinium, the ancient Roman city. Well this quote city of London which is now just a district of London that's the original Roman city The walls of this district basically still correspond to what those original Roman walls were and the Romans had this object called the London stone well we don't know if they what they called it but it's now called the London Stone

19:54 And it's believed to go back to the Romans. They theorized they used to use it as a, I think they'd call it a malarium stone? So what is this... It's the stone that you would put in the middle of the city or if not the exact middle like the most significant area and kind of try to put it in the middle and measure everything else out from that point So anyway, that's what they think this rock originally was. Well it has been symbolically significant to the city of London even before England became a country and people theorize that maybe this stone was involved with the coronation of chieftains and stuff before there were kings in England And then even after England got created

20:42 the City of London continued to be its own separate entity legally. And so there's a tradition that even the monarch has to ask permission from the legal head of the City of London, which is this position called Lord Mayor So then the Queen you know theoretically or traditionally should ask the Lord Mayor for permission to enter the city of London. So right here in this heart of the City of London right where this London stone object used to be and will again, I believe according to what I've read it'll be returned there again soon. So in this location that's the location that Michael Bloomberg chose to put his building that's where The Temple of Mithras originally was and there is an underground river that flows right through it There are several underground rivers in London And this one of the important ones It's called The Walbrook

21:35 And right next to Bloomberg's building, there are several other important buildings such as the Rothschild Building. This is the building that—it's called Newcourt. It has been rebuilt several times but it is the same plot of land that the Rothschild have been possessing and controlling in London you know, since 1700s since they began their financial control of England and then other territories as well. So this is kind of ground zero at least that particular aspect of their empire and also okay so the Bank of England is right next to it The London bullion market where they used up until about a year ago set the price of gold and silver

22:22 In that building, the building is right there. And so yeah you got the London stone you get them temple of mythris bank of england. London billion market association all right there in this plot of land that's right around this street called bucklersbury and it shaped like a superman diamond which is something I mentioned in the book has a great deal of significance but so all these things are right there i think its important little bit of spoiler but i kind of think it's Related to the myth that England is built on top of the island rests on top of the tomb. Of cronos so there in this goes back to the Greeks they said that cronos was built you know after it's the titans got dethroned by the Olympian gods chrono and his buddies

23:13 Got put in this to make all of it is a god so he's not really dead so small like a prison and he's kind of sleeping there. And they described it as being underneath the british isles and for a number of reasons not least which is that myth rest, is considered the same as Saturn. Mithras is this Persian deity that was imported to the Roman Empire and worshipped by Romans in the late part of the Roman Empire, so Mithras is Saturn, Saturn is Kronos these are all names for the same figure So you've got a temple to Mithra right there, to Kronos-Saturn and you've got a myth that Kronos is buried and kind of locked away in a tomb

23:57 Underneath england so i think it's right there, I think that's the location There's a number of other reasons why. I think that too most of which I explain eventually one way or another in the book but yeah That's what I think is going on there So it's kind of like you know One of these center-of-the world kind of areas You know it's a very sacred spot I think Right. Yeah, I love that nexus of symbolism around Mithras Kronos Saturn there are researchers out there talk about a black Sun or even it ties into the Electric Universe that Saturn might have once been our son and just really weird stuff But it seems to be important to them at least and it's pretty clear The elite want to control certain spots on the planet for deep esoteric reasons that they aren't sharing with us

24:44 And before we do get too deep, we should probably talk about those ancient cults of Mithras and Cybele. You mentioned Cybele earlier I think people probably know a little less about that particular entity but let's discuss maybe the symbolism and traditions surrounding them because i guess the suggestion is that in some elite occult circles at least some of these traditions might still be intact Well yes and one of the vectors through which these traditions have continued on I think is through Templarism, which then influenced Freemasonry in the OTO and a bunch of other Western esoteric groups. But

25:22 Let's just start with Cybele worship, for instance. Which goes back way further... She was worshipped in the history of the Romans way further back in history than Mithras and it is again an import from Phrygia from Anatolia but they incorporated well into their culture to the point where she kind of became an embodiment of the state to them. She's the mother goddess so she's considered Equivalent to sorta kinda like Gaia and Rhea, these kinds of mother goddesses from Greek mythology. I make the point in the book that i think these are the same figure and im not just mashing all the girl goddesses together you know? Im not being sexist there's a real reason why i think all these characters really are the same thing

26:17 So Cybele's worship was marked with two very particular types of rituals. One was the castration of the priests, the priest would go into a frenzy during this festival to Cybele that would happen once a year at the end of March they'd have You know a parade they go walking down the street drunk and on drugs going to. No religiously induced frenzy and then the priest or the wannabe priest ones that were being inducted into the priesthood would castrate themselves with a knife right there in front of everybody,

26:55 And this is all in homage to Addis who's Cybelle son and the whole mythology of Cybelle and Addis is really the main myth of the Cybelle worship. So, the story is that she was a goddess, the mother goddess she had a son Initially according to the more detailed versions of the story didn't want him. And expose them you know left him for dead basically is an infant and left alone but someone else found raised him up, and then when he became an adult or not even a doll really but you know when we can to mature. He was like a prepubescent child is how I take it from the description she fell in love with them and

27:46 Depending on which version of the story you read, some kind of gloss over this part. But it seems like if you go into the more detailed versions that she had a sexual relationship with him when he was young but then he wanted to marry a woman when he grew up and they were going to get married in some versions of the story they're actually at the altar getting married And Cybele shows up and according to some versions, well the most common version is just that she filled him with madness. Deliberately inducing him to castrate himself and then he bled out and died. And you know that was her revenge to him for loving someone else

28:29 But then the story goes that she felt bad, she felt guilty. She missed him and so either one to three days later depending on the version she resurrected him and then this is celebrated in the rites of Attis So this would all happen in the same week last week of March ending on April 1st So one day they'd celebrate the castration few days later They celebrate his resurrection And you know again it's all synced up with the similar kinds of death and resurrection rites we have now with Jesus. So it's all tied into Easter. In my story, by the way, this is true. Next year

29:12 Easter and April fools day will be the same day. April 1st next year is going to be Easter so I utilize that in my story we haven't had this kind of confluence of April fools day and Easter since 1956 hmm, so I tied that in with my story because I had you know the Temple of Mithras that was discovered in 1954 I Had some important events in the story taking place between those two years mm-hmm So this is like you know, when you're reading the story now it's we're kind of recreating things that happened last time there was an Easter on April Fools Day. Which by the way April Fools day is linked up with Easter and with the fact that We used to have in the West, we used to have that as kind of the New Year's day was April 1st for some countries in the west up until

30:08 I forget, it was like two or three hundred years ago. Anyway so they still call this day Lady Day or the day that it's linked up with. I know I'm getting something wrong here because I'm trying to remember what was...I have to look it up. Lady Day was like maybe the 25th? I don't know! It's all explained in the book but okay Lady Day April Fool's Day and this other date of you know celebrating on his New Year's Day all these things are linked together The reason why they would call it April fools day is that sort of a joke on the people that were still considering it to be.

30:44 you know, the New Year's Day. So a long explanation but anyway that's some of the use of the Cybele symbolism that comes up. Interesting and there's way more Greg if you have time I can tell you all about Cybele well i have heard you talk about Cybele a little more and really emphasize this idea of being represented by a rock or hermaphroditic rock and I think that's pretty interesting because I like that panspermia perspective that perhaps an asteroid landed here and unpacked itself, and eventually manifested man who will then eventually manifest some tech form. It's a really interesting concept but a lot of people have suggested the Dome on the Rock is just an asteroid and people they kind of laugh about that

31:30 But if it really was the source of life on Earth, potentially then maybe there's deeper significance there than people realize. But I just liked that idea of the hermaphroditic rock and it could be an asteroid that contained two sexes that built everything we have now so that's kind of weird but I guess I would ask Cybele and Mithras is there some linkage between their? I think so and the things that I found proved it to me The interesting thing is I would say modern myth experts and history experts try to debunk the idea that there's any real link between these two cults. But if you go back to the early 20th century and late 19th century, the writings that were being done about Mithras back then... And I would suggest Jesse Weston has a good book about this subject- That gets into this subject

32:25 From Ritual to Romance is good, and then also Franz Kumont wrote several books about Mithras. So if you want to get where I'm getting some of my information that's a good place to go. Anyway here's the idea okay so first of all yes you've got Cybele was worshipped as a rock and There's statues of her that they claim work hard from a meteorite you know it stone from heaven that was her and then the mating statue out of her there is also references to her as a rock where.

33:01 there's no statue involved, you just envision people worshipping a rock which I think is why some authors have theorised that maybe the one at the Kaaba, the black stone of the Kaabah might actually be the Saibel Stone. Because I don't think we have the stone that they were really worshiping as Saibel. I think that has been lost so I do not really know what it looked like but yeah originally there was this idea she is a stone and she fell from heaven They link her with this other, I think it's just another name for the same goddess. Another Phrygian name so Agditis is another name for the same person and they described this figure as being originally Hermaphroditic And then the other gods in heaven thought that This creature was a freak and they didn't like it So

33:55 cut her penis off and then cast her out of heaven. So there you have the idea of the rock, Cybele coming from heaven but it has been castrated now so now it's a goddess and then she gives birth to a son right? And that son is celebrated as Attis But then we also have this other Phrygian god Mithras Now Mithras was born from a rock And it's just like, you know as if yeah there is a stone there on the ground that pops open and this guy comes out. He is holding they always show him coming out of the rock holding in one hand a knife and in another hand a torch so he can see... ...you know in the realm that he is coming into So its like the rock is sort of a portal but also an egg It's like there is universe inside that egg

34:44 And then he comes out and now he's in this universe and he is the god of this universe. And this is what I found over and over again, and the kinds of rituals and myths that I ended up dealing with for this story that is the story they seem to be telling me. Is like and i'm using sort of the most developed versions of the story you know when you got all the different. Lines of influence coming together at the late roman empire when they've taken that person met them next in their own stuff then you get this god who's like saturn but he conquers the sun he conquers all these other gods and he becomes god himself

35:26 The story of him emerging from the rock and then there's the stories of him you know slaying a bull and. Encountering all these other figures there is always in myth rams a picture of him shaking hands with saul, and then saul kneeling to himself go ahead i just think it's so interesting n. Had a Chris Knowles on the show not long ago and he was talking about the symbolism of that Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Center or that statue that they say is Prometheus and He was taking a deeper look at it, and how the figure isn't actually chained to the rock But looks like its emerging from it And he was suggesting that they're basically hiding this might be actually a statue of Mithras and

36:12 It does seem like there's a lot of layers to what they're really into deep below the surface But how should we maybe tie this to? Modern day because I think a lot of people would assume these old traditions and cults would have just died out Along with the things they used to partake in but what suggests it still going on clearly Bloomberg has an interest in that Mithras temple, but do we see other indications that they're still very interested in this stuff. Oh Oh, yeah. And I'll try to work that into my answer here because i want to sort of add something too what I was just saying about the rock and Mithras okay? The story of Mithras there's a version of it that kind of elaborates on what happens next and how he has his own son He creates his own heir right they say that Mithra hated women and the Mithras cult was an all-male cult

37:08 And they even, you know the rituals they had the kind of phrases they used in their rituals. You can tell that they did not like women And so this myth says Mithras himself did not like women, but he wanted an heir. He wanted a son So he ejaculated onto a rock and the rock became pregnant and A child came from that which they say is fannies It's like that the Orphic egg came from that hmm so in orific egg is you know? it's a universe in itself, so what we have here is a story of a God who came from Iraq himself And then when i want to create another god and another universe really with the same process of ejaculating onto a rock so ok. This is all interesting because

37:56 I think it ties in with this idea that we're in a matrix or false reality. You mentioned the Saturn cube idea, which is so popular now... Right! The idea that the figure of Saturn whatever he is created some kind of world of illusion for us to live in and were inside this box Well, you know, I think that's what this story is hinting at about Mithras But of course whoever came up with it wouldn't have known anything about computers or virtual reality or anything. And really that's the version of these ideas that we have now in our reality, but there are a lot of other ways you could picture the same thing kind of happening. We have computers with buttons on them now maybe its something else in another dimension So I think this is story about Mithras breaking out of one false artificial prison world

38:49 And then making his own you know and i think that the elite there's some of them that have the same idea cuz last year you had a story that came out it was in the news. Reprinted in several different mainstream newspapers and magazines. They all had kind of paraphrase versions of the same story where they were saying there's a group of billionaires, and they wouldn't give it a name It wasn't like a secret society or anything. They just said there was a group of billionaires secret because their secret There was not like a game to the group for anything But they said that these billionaires are working secretly on some kind of way to break us out of The Matrix They believe we're in

39:28 simulation and they're gonna break us out. And then that story just went, nobody addressed it again. There was no elaboration on who these guys are or what they're doing. It was right around the time story came out just as I'm already writing this story. And I didn't intend on using that idea in my story but it ended up just going there you know? That's where the information led me And so, you know that's the kind of thing I guess that you know not to spoil it too much but that is the sort of thing that the villain in my story is aiming towards and using the building as a technology device to do that. It's part of the story

40:11 Yeah, I really do love those ideas that the elites true plan and agenda is to try to jailbreak this enclosure. It gets into that idea of Subverting the gods you know the whole lucifer motif we see a lot of lucifer symbolism and it really does get to that place of. Wondering is the entity that built this thing as the creator of this construct a positive or negative entity i know you did a great show with marty leads who are really like him who is Really become a friend of mine and is a pretty clear proponent of the flat earth model. Of course, Marty is an optimist in our biggest disagreement is about that stuff like Is this creator entity positive or negative if it's a negative entity who has us on some prison planet?

41:00 Arconic energy farm then maybe the elites plan to jailbreak it isn't so bad but if it is supposed to be some paradise crafted by an altruistic being then they're definitely up to no good. So its really just depends on how you view the moral alignments of these characters Well, I think that what I ended up finding in my research because i got deep into the secrets of the OTO for instance. I mean, I'm pretty sure I've seen things that only a handful of people on earth have seen other than you know other OTO initiates not very many non-initiates have seen what I've seen and yeah so I got into researching The Rituals Of Alistair Crowley

41:47 And the kind of stuff that he was into. And also just alchemy, which I've been looking at sort of bewilderedly for years and trying to make head or tail off. I figured out years ago that it involves some recipe of human blood and body parts and things like that, and a human soul utilizing all this stuff somehow. But it seems to me what I found is a technology, a magical technology And I'm not saying i know all the ins and outs of how it works but deconstructed the symbolism. Of these secret rituals and recipes, and they're talking about ways of creating your own universe

42:26 and destroying the one you're in now. And you could actually just look at it as, You are trying to break out of the prison you're in now and in the process you'll probably end up destroying the one that you came from So I believe that I found secret encoded magical instructions on how to become your own god and in the process you either destroy or imprison Or its kind of can be seen as both The world that you come from. Yeah, and you know you can see this when you look at some of the things that are easy to find our equinox of the gods ritual that the OTO engages in there's writings that Alistair Crowley had about creating a homunculus right through sex magic

43:17 and usually involves some kind of unnatural birth. His idea, what he thought would be the most potent way to do it would be somehow impregnate an anus and have an anal birth So that all made its way into the story gotta warn you guys is pretty gruesome but and it's definitely something that Alistair Crowley was writing about right and when he's talking about an anal birth he's talking about the anal birth of a universe. And totally totally wrote about that in his diaries if you look so you know this

43:53 I guess the question of whether it's bad or good for us to be in a prison, i don't think that there is an answer to that. You know depends on what side you're on, in or out right? So if your'e on the outside and have a little snow globe that entertains you then you like it and think its good but if your'e in the snow globe then realize that your world is fake you might not like it Right And especially if you realized this what I think is happening That is either created by the god and also possibly the world that he leaves and a sense to. You know to become higher than i think those worlds can be used as batteries machines creating energy for you so i think thats going on now and you know to this extent that we have

44:46 energy being siphoned out of our world and given to someone else on the outside, that means that we are slaves. And so from that perspective it seems bad but I don't think there's any way to escape it without doing that to somebody else. That is pretty dark! Does this all culminate in what you're calling The Conquering Of The Sun Ritual? Can you detail that piece for us? Yeah yeah This is a concept that I just found in all of the Greek creation myths and you can pretty much find it in a lot of the older, major cultures' creation myths. And then its alchemy. It's almost in all of the alchemical pictures and manuscripts So what it is... The idea that each cycle... You know the Greeks for instance broke everything down into ages The Gnostics called these things Aeons

45:48 And each of these cycles had a different major god that was in charge of everything. So the Greeks have these stories, first you have Ouranos and Gaia so you have heaven and earth then they split apart... ...and in the space between them, then these other cycles occur Uranus is overthrown in the process of being split apart from his mate And then, see I'll try not to get too detailed here but that story is about... Okay Uranus and Gaia originally are one hermaphroditic being.

46:26 And they're kind of like having sex constantly, you know? And having children. They're engendering children inside the womb of the female half of being but then those children cannot get out and so... The story-the myth tells about how Uranus was afraid that he was going to be usurped by one his children and so he didn't want them to be born And then they tell the story of how Gaia gave Saturn or Kronos, you know one of the children inside her a knife to use to castrate their father and that's how Uranus gets overthrown by Saturn. Right! Then they say that heaven and earth got separated and that's how creation exists and it will cease existing if they ever come back together again somehow. Then they say that Atlas

47:18 who is one of the Titans, was punished with the burden of holding up Heaven and Earth. Now you've got this story that goes on... So first you got the era of the Titans ruled over by Kronos and that's remembered as being The Golden Age then you have Saturn overthrown by Zeus and the Titans are said to be locked in Tartarus And like i said they're still there supposedly there's no live their underneath us somehow so i going through this story here and incorporating it into my fiction story. And i realized you know i thought well,

48:01 Okay, Zeus was the main God then during the Olympian period. Did they ever say that Zeus got overthrown by anyone? And at first I'm thinking well that's dumb because the Greeks would never have said that you know he was their god so it'd be like us saying oh god is dead which we did say that. So maybe there is a comparison there but anyway actually they do have some specifics about who would have been Zeus' heir and they say that it was Apollo who was a sun god. And this caused me to think, well okay people always compare Christianity to sun worship and Jesus is always depicted as the Sun or having kind of a solar halo behind his head and then all these Christian rituals are

48:47 you know, timed to old pagan holidays usually having to do with whatever the sun's doing at that part of the year. You know equinoxes and solstices and things like that so we definitely have kind of a solar worship going on now. Absolutely! But I wondered everyone says that's the ancient worship of the ancient peoples but then they were worshiping Jupiter To try to tighten everything up I just it occurred to me that maybe this position of main God can be likened to the Sun and that we have Different cycles in which someone else plays the role of the Sun. Yeah, I Could see that. I mean it's it's pretty deep stuff And as were getting to kind of a halfway point here I wanted to read something from this great post you have on your blog called mad love and it kind of

49:42 ties in a lot of the stuff that we've talked about so far. But you say, I have revealed a number of symbols some of them treasured as concealing great spiritual mysteries and the hermetic traditions of Western occultism which all seems to be related to the ideas of raping children consuming human flesh and using the bodies of victims both dead and alive to breed supernatural entities golems, homunculi and many other things The souls that are incarnated in these rites are ensnared by the magicians performing them, seduced into coming into our world and then trapped inside of a carnal container of some sort.

50:22 And that is freaky stuff but it is in line with what a lot of people think is going on. I guess do you have any idea what happens next or what happens to these beings once they're trapped are created and how they're used? Obviously our world goes on without a lot of people knowing about this so, like, I don't know how epic it is but... Do we know how far this goes beyond the stories of Crowley we've heard, maybe something in the last hundred years? Well okay I have my own theories and you know anyone's free to just make up whatever they want i guess but basically I think that when I'm talking about this ritual of conquering the sun that ties in here because I saw this being depicted in like I said alchemical stories

51:20 Kind of fictional versions of the old alchemical stories that have been utilized in modern times. Well, I'll tell you about Jodorowsky's film The Holy Mountain this really kind of spelled it out to me I thought I was seeing this pattern and then I watched his film again And like oh yeah That's totally what's going on because his film he sees open about it You know It's an alchemical allegory and he says is based on Two things. The Invisible Mountain book by DeMalle, forgetting the name of it now... Maybe it's called The Invisible Mountain or something? No! It's called Mount Analogue. Okay and then he's got this other one that he based on which is Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz so both Jodorowsky's Holy Mountain and its inspiration which is this book from the 1600s called The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz maybe in 1700s anyway the story

52:15 is about killing the seven archons, the seven planetary deities that the ancients thought of as being in control of our whole world. And killing them and then regenerating them so in both The Christian Rosenkrantz Story and Jodorowsky's movie you have people that are like embodying they have the spirits of these gods inside of them And then they are killed or sacrificed. And then it's implied that a master alchemist can regenerate them, you're literally melting down their bodies, separating their souls using the blood and the body material changing it alchemically through different scientific processes and then using that to form new bodies of hosts That will hold these spirits of the ones that you've just sacrificed

53:16 And then you make them into a new sun and a new moon, which in the Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreuz they're depicted as just having human bodies. They are a new sun and a new moon and they become the new king and queen of the universe and they generate, breed and create the other five classical planets, the other five gods. There you have the gods of a new universe so This is how I think it's done. You have to somehow entice the spirits of the seven gods down from their seats in the heavens and get them to come into human bodies, and then you can trap them—and yes, sacrifice them—and use those spirits then to make your own universe." And that's

54:07 It's kind of the story I'm telling. Yeah, it's so interesting but it's that last part creating your own universe that...I don't know, maybe I just don't see them because I don't recognize them or maybe I can't tell what reality would be without this kind of magic going on in the Masonic basements all over the place but have they made their own universe? I guess they kinda have depends on how you look at it Will we yeah we wouldn't know i mean that they might have a whole bunch of them we might be in one of the now. Well and the way i'm envisioning it's almost like you could be in one of them and you can create some more either inside or you could try to get out and create some more on the outside and finding what is inside and outside becomes very difficult at that point it becomes relative doesn't it does and this is something i think is no true like he can really,

55:03 Get a real perspective on what's up or down or in and out at a certain point you know when you break down these stories. Down to their basics things become very confusing i mean how is it that saturn, is the god of the highest realm up in the heavens but at the same time he's trapped in tartarus supposedly beneath us yeah so if you know i thought about as The best you can do probably is just with the memories that you have in your own culture try to arrange them. Chronologically and then view it as one thing stacked on top of another so we right now were on top of target supposedly well that's got the remains, are they golden age in its you know its got the remains of that other

55:53 universe, but we're on top of it. And that I think is part of the symbolism of Atlas holding things up you know? Whoever's on the bottom of something else is by definition holding up stuff on top so this gets into the symbolism that you find in Christianity and Freemasonry got the cornerstone and yeah the idea sacred place that's the foundation of something, you know whatever is on top of it. Another thing too is like this idea that we're slaves part of the slavery is that were holding up to the worlds that are set on top of us right so I think we experience this this is just me theorizing just pontificating making stuff but this is how I feel because we experienced

56:47 in terms of how hard our lives seem to be and you know does it ever seem to like the whole world is an inefficient machine you know your. Putting in so much work and getting so little out of it by definition a machine should give u more product for the work that you put in, it should be increasing value somehow well if he'll still us like you just got value flying out the window we can't figure out where its going And that to me is a sign that there is someone else sucking the juice off the top of us. We just keep trying and trying, but we can't make it. There's this story about in Tartarus I think they're called the Nereids or something? There are these three women whose punishment is holding these jars of water

57:36 and they're constantly trying to fill the jars of water but there's a hole in the bottom of them so they're constantly leaking, so they'll never win. And that's how I think we are here in our universe That is evidence that there's something else There's a leak in the vessel somehow But it's all part of the design, you know? Absolutely. And I love that you said we're holding up the illusionary constructs because that's the kind of symbolism that i take in when we're talking about created universes or false realities That's what these things are We are the ones holding up

58:11 The things were bound to like contract law or debt based currency and economic slavery these are all illusions that we know our illusionary but we buy into them we live our life. Determined by them and sure enough none of them are natural they're all created by these. Potentially a cultist at the top of the pyramid and so if you want indications that their magic is working look at the god damn mind control, and the spell were all under that we literally don't do anything on this planet without green paper so maybe we should look at those green paper printers but man another thing i wanted to ask about it because he mentioned

58:51 Reality mirroring the themes of your book as you are writing it and pizza gate and spirit cooking or sort of old news now not that anything's been done about them but the chatter of course is died down during that time also wrote a lot of great articles breaking down some of the weirder symbols in phrases that came out in the glimpses that we saw. And since you do have such a deep knowledge of these arcane things, when you heard those phrases like spirit cooking and earthquake nights along with some of the artwork that was involved did this look like nonsense and gibberish to you or did you find connections to deeper themes in mythology when you tried to unpack all that stuff? Well yeah the piece of gate thing broke out about a month and a half into my writing and outlining and stuff.

59:41 I guess i wouldn't say was that surprised because the hints that that was coming they had already sort of released some stuff like oh the New York police they've got some videos and you know, they're going to be coming out soon and it's got stuff to do with child sex. And it's gonna make Hillary look bad and I thought okay so this works out because the stuff I'm writing is gonna you know be timed perfectly with The news but I had no idea that it was gonna you know be such a huge story or that it was kind of come out as soon As it did right so yeah, then the pizza gate stuff happened and my policy in general when I'm writing whether its fiction or nonfiction is I try to

1:00:20 isolate myself from the news and from other humans as much as possible so I won't be influenced by whatever is going on. But, I just got bombarded by messages one day like you have to look at Drudge Report! You have to look come on just do it! So i finally did yep there's the spirit cooking was like in red letters across the top of Drudge Report and...so I had to pay attention and sure enough everything that They were talking about was the kind of alchemical rituals i was talking about including yes as you mentioned references to earthquake nights and i was already writing some stuff that's okay but controversial but it was about the symbolism i was seen having to do with anal sex rituals.

1:01:08 And the creation of earthquakes that the disturbance of the earth by doing that and. No so again i don't it's only controversial just cause people are so touchy about sexuality these days you know everything is political so anyway what i was seen, Is yeah that Alistair Crowley's sex magic is so much about you know male homosexual anal rights okay the deeper you go into OTO the more homo and anal it gets and then they start telling me well the best thing to do is actually do it with a kid. And so anyway,

1:01:47 I should just give myself some legal cover by the way. This is what i am seeing in the Alistair Crowley material that i am reading, and myself not a member of the OTO and cannot tell you for fact that they do anything with children okay? But im saying what i see in Alastair Crowleys rights but anyway so yeah this stuff Pizza Gate came out And she mentions earthquake nights again well thats just interesting synchronicity there's thing in one her videos about putting your head on the mineral pillow. So again, that's the sacred rock you know that's like Jacob's Pillow anyway so you know the Cybele Rock and things like that and then oh there's just some many of the other pizza gate details that would come out over time ended up corresponding to things I was writing about. So i was already putting some stuff in the book that corresponds to The Myth Of Pegasus

1:02:45 and the flying horse that comes out of the neck of Medusa when she's killed. Well, I wrote this scene and then I decided to go to the Pizzagate forum that I hadn't been in a couple of months. The Voat page and I go there and what do you know? I find the word Pegasus right at the top of the page. And it's because they just discovered that there is this thing labeled the Pegasus Museum on Google Earth that was a building used to belong one these guys, Aliphantis or one And I guess the building has disappeared now and nobody knows what happened there, but it was kind of suspected as being a place where children were being held. So yeah, I could probably...I have a list somewhere of all these weird coincidences and things that happen. Not the least of which is just how much terrorism there is in London now whereas London wasn't really much in headlines at the time that I started writing so I know that I picked the right spot definitely to have this story

1:03:48 Right, and you are correct in that it gets pretty thorny because people's proclivities for talking about sexuality and sexual persuasion. But you can't deny that this stuff is in a lot of the mythology the whole motif rising up and raping the father figure And we didn't put it there! I think of it less about hetero- and homosexuals and more about power and domination There is really no more complete way to own someone, especially two alpha male type figures. I mean that's a complete and total owning and I think it's more about power and control than it is about what gender you're attracted to. That's the way I try to separate those issues from the source material

1:04:38 Yeah, I usually would ignore such concerns but it's been so heightened lately and i know that i have fans that you know. I guess fit into any one of these categories so i don't want to offend anybody right but definitely One of the things I was struck by when I researched the myths of Cybele and Mithras, for instance. Was the fact that Cybele used to be a hermaphrodite you know that just seemed so significant to me and then You know we got that story about Mithras doesn't like women but he wants to breed without one And then Cybele similar thing was said about her she does not like

1:05:15 Women and she does not like men so she tries to keep a middle gender between the two this is a quote from one of the chroniclers you know in ancient times so. Cybel is not just a hermaphrodite but specifically despises the sex roles and you know traditional men, traditional women. And then you got the same thing with Mithras so it's interesting to me and you have Franz Kumont saying for instance that Mithras expert he thought that they were definitely connected these two cults that the Mithras Well, they performed a bull sacrifice. A bull sacrifice is a major part of their mythology and the Cybele worshippers that was their major ritual was cutting open a bowl and then they would douse their priest with blood and it would just rain down on them so you know people would say modern historians might say well a Mithraim isn't big enough to do a bowl sacrifice but

1:06:12 But Franz Kumon already addressed that over a hundred years ago He said that the Mithraeus used to hire the Cybele worshippers To kill their meat for them and do their sacrifices for them And then you know That was just an extension of their ritual chamber basically. In a lot of ancient cities when you look at the ruins, these Cybeles temple and the Mithras Temple were very close physically to each other. And in one case, in Ostia in Rome or near Rome they were right next to each other back-to-back so I think you know the evidence is there these two cults were related and these two cults also happen to be anti natural sex I guess people even like to depict Mithras as being the Mithra's cult has been kind of ascetic

1:07:01 what do you call that stuff? They practiced abstinence. There's a C word for it. Oh, celibate. Celibate! Thank you so much. You got it. They might have practiced celibacy or something but when you look at the archaeology and some of the details of what is known about contemporary authors wrote about them They had members as young as 12, okay? You would basically go through what is described as torture in order to be inducted and they were taking hallucinogenic drugs for these induction rituals. The second degree was called the nymphus that's the bride and the bride is a boy so you would be marrying a boy to a man during this ritual then when they have slain the bull there's

1:07:56 Historians might say, well they never actually slayed the bull in the rituals. We don't know there's depictions of the bull slaying right of Mithras doing it and There's a depiction that involves someone Sodomizing the bowl okay? So I think that the Mithras cult wasn't asexual. I think it was definitely homosexual and so I think this That's another thing You know it's been kind of cleaned up from you know the way modern people like to view it but I definitely think is kinda a homosexual anti-woman pedophilic cold and was also I think.

1:08:38 I wouldn't say it's influenced by Gnosticism, but it had a similar idea because It was really all about getting out of creation and busting out and you know creating your own world which is you know what I said before If you would wonder well how can something like that Go along with the Cybele worship. Which is all about You know it's a priesthood of castrated males Well, it's just again all part of the idea of messing up the natural sexes somehow I think that I think that mistress is hatred of. women is an extension of Cybele's hatred of men. And it would make sense if Mithras was her son, if Mithras was at us somehow or a recapitulated version of that you know he would have this memory of mother being the one who castrates people so you know that would go along with his hatred of women I think that these things are all connected in very

1:09:35 Deep ways that are only obvious to people on the inside Whereas on the outside That's part of the reason actually it makes it easy for us or easier for us to ignore it Because it seems like all these doctrines are kind of in conflict but really they all have a similar origin and it does tie into the Mystery of Baphomet that I've been trying to figure out for my whole life here. You know, that's a hermaphroditic figure or that's what I've always described it as and that's what you people usually describe it as but, As I was writing this book. I sat down after reading all the Seibel stuff and I looked at Baphomet one more time And I realized oh The Eliphaz Levi depiction of him doesn't show him with a penis It shows him with a rod instead with a caduceus and Eliphaz Levi even describes it as such he says in place of a phallus

1:10:33 And then there's a curved line going right over above the Caduceus. This is all in front of his crotch, right? The curved line according to Eliphas Levi when he was describing the meaning of his own picture He says that represents the atmosphere So it's like it's the sky okay so its just like the myth of Uranos or Uranus where he was a hermaphroditic being with his bride Gaia, but then he got castrated and they got separated. So the pole is now separating the sky holding it up separate from the earth instead of there being a phallus. So yeah I guess what i'm saying

1:11:24 unfortunately came to this realization after I wrote a 600-page book about Baphomet. But, I realize now that at least the Eliphas Levi version of Baphomet isn't a hermaphrodite so much as it's hermaphrodites that have been castrated and you know when you look at other versions of Baphomet like the drawings that Hammer Pergstall has in his book from 1818 that influenced Eliphas Levi Those also have a hermaphroditic being but it's really just maybe a woman because it has kind of a vaginal slit or I don't know that kind of looks like it. But, it has a beard too but you don't see a penis okay and then what I'm calling the vaginal slit well there is no hair around it and it could also just be a hole like from where the penis used to be

1:12:14 So this is sort of my revised understanding of Baphomet when I look back at him now, I realize he's very much like Cybele. And in fact Hammer Pergstall actually said that meat was Cybele And another thing I discovered too, one of the church fathers when he was describing the Gnostics. He said that they were essentially continuing the worship of Cybele and they had similar rituals as the Cybelists So you know all this stuff started to come together in my head and as I realized the Cybele worship was continued through the Gnostic's and then Cybele is Baphomet

1:12:55 Hammer Pergstall and others are saying that the Templars got into Ophite Gnosticism, and that was their secret cult. Okay so they were worshipping Cybele! And you know they're worshiping a castrated hermaphrodite...and then just to wrap it all up here and put a bow on it I looked back at you know the famous pictures of the effigies of Templar knights recessed into the floor for instance the Temple Church in England and then there's other places too where they have the same thing So that you see his grave is underground but then on the surface of the floor. On top of the grade there's a effigy of a night and those effigies almost always show them with these crossed legs now officially,

1:13:41 they'll tell you that's a sign of having gone to the Crusades, that a knight would be depicted that way on his gravestone if he had done time actually on the battlefield during the Crusades. But I can't help but look at that now and realize that image of the knight with his legs crossed looks identical to the way that Attis is usually depicted with his legs crossed and his legs are crossed quite specifically because he has just been castrated Wow. Boom, there it is gift wrapped and delivered and it also seems like it kind of ties into that obelisk symbolism that Obelisk Osiris symbolism all about the phallus

1:14:22 The separate phallus. Yes, I just realized finally it took me what? I'm almost 39 years old now but i just finally figured out all these symbolic phalluses they're disembodied for a reason you know all these talismans of priapus that people have written about in the 1800s there were several writers who became obsessed with the idea that there was a cult of priapus reign all over Europe and that this has been incorporated into Christian symbolism, and that this is what the Templars were actually doing too. And so they have all these European votive statues and necklaces of just a penis—and sometimes the penis has a penis or it has wings and legs and things like that—and I'm realizing now yes they're worshipping a phallus but it's also a cut phallus and there's a reason for that. It harkens back to this myth

1:15:16 Mm-hmm and in some of your blogs you even mentioned that potentially that ritual, that tradition could have been dumbed down a little bit or nerfed a little bit and become the cutting of the middle finger which is in those spirit cooking art artistic expressions or whatever you want to call them. Also John Podesta in that one picture, all his fingers are all screwed up and you note that Johnny Depp one of the strangest most occult aligned actors in Hollywood he had a strange story where he cut off his own finger in a fight with his girlfriend apparently it's interesting to think that potentially this is the carrying on of that tradition and just a little more mild sense

1:16:01 Yeah, I mean when i published that article months and months ago. That part of it was just a tiny part of the article they really sort of deserves its own you know article in youtube video and everything because this is a phenomenon that i'm sure you know illuminati watchers of the world could really make something else When I put it out in that one article, I got lots of emails from people saying oh i noticed this and that. And you know the stories of celebrities where they've accidentally supposedly cut off one of their fingers or a part of it so yeah I think that this ties into the castration idea and also it is just a secret society right

1:16:42 That apparently you know for instance i do it in the mafia we know i found some old literature claiming that free masons would do it. The stuff is over a hundred years old where they were writing about it and then yeah i just ran into a bunch of other news stories, Where celebrities were doing this but yeah it's a it something that you do for instance if someone is a member of your secret society and they have messed up somehow like if they had a mission in the mess stuff or they broke their valve secrecy a little bit but she don't really wanna. kick them out and you don't really want to kill them. So you just punish them, and part of the reason why it's such a bad punishment is because if it's like a real occult magic ritual type secret society your hands are very important part of doing those rituals

1:17:29 And you know, there's so much power in your hands and your fingers. In particular there is a hand signal that I kept coming across both in ancient stuff and some of the modern secret societies where they're using the first three fingers of your hands So your thumb and index finger and middle finger It's called Manopantia and there are bunches other terms for it. So its like a handsignal that you can use When you're doing magic, you know, you can like point it at the object that you're trying to bless or curse. Or point it up at the air if you're trying to invoke something from the sky and there's probably a lot of different things you could do with it but what I found interesting is that there's a lot of OTO pictures

1:18:18 i don't know means things floating around you can find where it is definitely something put out by an oto person and will have these. Three fingers sometimes you'll see the hand with the three fingers extended just doing a hand signal but quite often you'll see those fingers cut off right now either show me the hand with the fingers got off or the fingers, just sitting there no hands and so i take this as of you know sort of reminder of a penalty It's like dragging your finger across the throat. You're reminding the person of the oath they took and that if they fail, they're going to lose their fingers and there are very important fingers that you need for blessing and cursing so it's like if you get your fingers cut off, you've lost your magics a little bit at least. Yeah wow!

1:19:08 I think there could be a connection there. It's really hard to say, obviously they try to keep this stuff so hidden you're kind of just stuck trying to connect the dots as you see them and i think it's interesting You also mentioned Superman earlier and when it comes to the symbolism of the diamond shaped superman Man logo. In one of your blogs you write, the significance of the shape also has to do with alchemy sacred geometry, the Masonic Royal Arch Keystone, the gem cutters of Belgium and the work of John Dee who once lived at that very site of the Bloomberg building because of his obsession with the London Stone another relic that plays an important role in the story of genuflect. And that is a lot to unpack but can you tell us any more about this nexus of interesting threads?

1:19:55 Superman I can yes and a lot of this actually probably won't be fully developed until The sequel to the story if I can manage to get it out here. Mm-hmm, but there's a lot going on there The way I stumbled across this whole thing Okay is just that I was looking at the actual physical site Bucklersbury you know this place where Bloomberg's putting his real building in And I noticed that the site around it took the shape, the shape of the Superman diamond and the Superman logo. That's what I called it for the longest time as I was writing about it and researching it because I couldn't find a particular word just for that one thing. In fact, I couldn't even find proof that it pre-existed Superman for the longest time so I just kind of went with that for awhile. I incorporated into my story

1:20:46 And as I did so and continued to try to tie it in with this and that element of the story, it really took form. It really did become something. So there's two things here for one thing I should just note okay that you know the Rothschild building is right there next to the site we're talking about. I actually have some scenes in the movie or its a movie not a movie yet...in the novel where they do the rituals at the Rothschild building And i mention the name actual rothschilds i don't mention any characters that are named after real rothschilds but i have the name of the family you know and then the location where they have their stuff. And so it's it was interesting to me when i was trying to find connections between superman diamond anything else in my story,

1:21:37 One of the first things I did was just decide to put in Superman plus Rothschild in Google and it came up with something right away. Just blew me away, which is the fact that Lois Lane is named after a Rothschild or she's she's a character based on a Rothschild but as far as I can tell it's not that family of Rothschilds It's some other Rothschild and she used to be friends with her She went to school with the guy Jerry seagull i think is his name that drew superman so it's just some girl he used to be in love with. The bass lowest lane on it just somehow happens to be her name happens to be rothschild and i happen to look that up you know of all the things i could have looked at so i stumbled across that interesting aspect

1:22:25 Then there's the fact that Superman himself has always been considered a symbol of Jewish identity, hidden Jewish identity in Hollywood. Which is something I learned in school and you know I recently looked it up online and there are plenty of mainstream articles saying this so its something thats known Now the diamond having to do with the actual diamond itself like a physical diamond A rock That part of it didn't come to me until I would say the last couple months that i was working on this but it really exploded. It really became a huge part of, I realized it was a huge part of the whole story all along and I didn't even know it so it has to do with the fact that the shape that you see there of the superman diamond that is the side view of a particular cut of diamond called brilliant round cut

1:23:17 And this is the most perfect diamond that's ever been invented it was invented in the twenties by this guy from amsterdam which belgium happens to be like center of the global diamond trade and so this guy. Tolkowsky i think his name he was a mathematician but he's from a family of diamond cutters and designers So he invented this cut of diamond to be the most perfect stone for refracting light. That it would refract and separate the colors out into the rainbow, and make them sparkle and shine it the furthest possible, and it was just the most perfect way of doing it so... He invented this in the 20's

1:24:00 Around the same time or I think it might have been just shortly before this happened. The biggest diamond in the world raw uncut diamond was found in Africa and now belongs to the royal family and they've cut it up into hundreds of pieces so This said this diamond, the perfect cut diamond I'm trying to figure out how to say this without giving away a whole story and also Without taking up too much time sure but The diamond thing, when it works itself into the story has to do with the idea of a Masonic keystone. You know about the Royal Arch Keystone that they show in Masonic tracing boards? They always show you have two pillars of Joaquin and Boaz and then there'll be this thing in between them whether its the eye or a triangle

1:24:58 Or sometimes they show it as like just an additional sun, but usually you'll have the pillars right and then you'll have the sun over one pillar. The one on the left, and then the one on the right has a moon over it. And so in between you'll have this third object. And they're all called lights of the temple so you got the sun is a light the moon is a light and then this third thing I usually shown shining brighter than the others. So, you know you gotta dig and dig to find out what does that mean oh and then sometimes they'll show an arch in between the two pillars with what's called, you know the Masonic symbol of the special keystone in the middle and so sometimes they'll put The all-seeing eye right on the keystone to show you that those two things are kind of the same thing They represent the same thing and then they'll put the G You know though in that same position in the middle They'll put the G which you know nobody knows what it stands for does it stand for God or? No one knows. What well

1:26:02 So I kind of put all this stuff together. I can't even describe you how, various ways anyway the way i see it the royal arch keystone the masonic symbol is a plug in between our world and the one on top of it and you can see this when you look at enough masonic tracing boards where the symbol is shown they actually show that you know they show it being pulled up And then the special light of that other object, that other sun pours through the hole. Okay? And it connected with this idea I came across... well its a reality and there's thing called a deck prism which they rarely use anymore but used to be in old days they would put this on a ship

1:26:54 in the deck of the ship so that you could get natural light from the outside and the prism would kind of refract it and expand it, increase the light from the sun or the moon even. And that's a safer way of lighting the deck without having a candle or lantern that might start a fire. Well I thought this keystone is kinda like a diamond or something that can take light from outside our world and bring it in here so that we can safely. absorb it and be exposed to it without getting hurt. I think this connects with the reality, or at least what's said to be the reality that we've got these layers of electromagnetism that we can't see light up above the Earth so it comes in through some of the layers sometimes most if gets absorbed were protected for most of it but you know if we were to be exposed to it then would hurt us and might even kill us right

1:27:56 But it's light, it's a form of light that we can't see. And of course I know there are several different kinds like there is x-rays and then there is gamma rays which as far as I can tell is the highest kind or you know fastest highest frequency kinda light and it's represented with a gamma, you know, a Greek letter G. Gamma ray. Well so I thought okay is this connected to the fact that the Masons have the letter g there right where the keystone goes? Right where the all-seeing eye is always shown and another sun that's brighter than the real sun as they show in their illustrations So yeah I'm thinking is the Keystone thing

1:28:38 you know, it's like a window but it's kind of filtering mechanism also. So you know, it's bringing light in and maybe letting someone from the outside see in but it's still safe for both parties, you know? It's keeping us apart safely and perhaps also Bring stuff in like we were talking before about what if there's energy leaking from one universe to another well yeah this would be a way of getting light from another. Universe into here safely filtering it so that it safe and really you know if you believe all this ladder stuff and that we're in a made up world the sun could be one of these. And the truth is, the more I looked at that idea i just freaked myself out because i found tons of stuff to corroborate that so... You know? We can do another show if you want to talk about what if the sun is an artificial crystal-like thing because i just found tons of evidence that might be what's going on. And you know i don't wanna

1:29:37 I don't want to marry myself to that idea, but dang. I found a lot of things to indicate that so right well Obviously the symbolism goes deep and that is a concept we've talked about before Not only with crow talking about the idea that the moon is an artificial construct But there have been guests who talk about the Sun in that same way as well It's pretty epic possibility, but I think that Superman stuff is so interesting especially that he's a representation of Jewish identity and hiding, Jewish elite hiding within certain industries. And it's funny because he uses the name Clark Kent, the most boring vanilla American name and The Rothschilds basically own the diamond industry having started De Beers who basically has a monopoly still. It just makes sense that the diamond would be a symbol for them in way more ways than one

1:30:32 And I don't know, I just like all that stuff. I think you're really onto something. Another thing I wanted to ask about that kind of ties into this is the changing of the calendar or the Gregorian calendar tying it to the Catholic faith because I always thought the changing of the calendar to revolve around Catholicism was just a power move and of course it is but it might also be reflective of a new Aeon or that attempt at forcing one. Of course, it's tied to Jesus and they say Jesus rules over this particular Aeon, that symbolic character or archetype and it's kind of interesting the way that might be thought of in more esoteric circles is that I know you've written about it Is that kind of your contention as well?

1:31:17 Well, yeah so I put it just basically as a throwaway line in the story where the character realizes that you know we're living in a solar age that we may be living in the age of Apollo and that's synonymous with Jesus. In this way of looking at it and then it occurred to me okay well you know like in late Roman Empire they started amalgamate Mithras with Sol Invictus and that's really how the Mithraism became, you know, the official state cult for a little while. And then it was supplanted by Christianity these two things sort of coexisted and they had a lot in common for awhile and then, you know, Christianity won one day and we all know really that's kind of part of what seemed to signal the end Rome so now Rome got taken over by the solar cult

1:32:16 And that's if we even believe that, you know, we're being given a correct chronology of history. So then, you know, then you have the age of the sun and the age of Jesus and they just so coincidentally happen to reconfigure the reckoning of the years to give year one the date of the birthday of Jesus And I know that was all done after the fact, like it wasn't no one decided on year one to call it year one. But still you know that's kind of their way of saying oh that was the beginning of something totally new and you can make something innocent out of it. I'm not saying its nefarious but anyway it's definitely a sign we're in a new age same kinda classical new age that Greeks would have thought of and it's the Age Of The Sun

1:33:03 And it also corresponds to some stuff that I read a couple years ago and i really not had time to make much of it yet. I don't know what to do with at all but ok you know anatoly from the russian guy seven multi thousand page books about how he thinks history is fake familiar with that yes we talked about that quite a bit was soviet even though i had a couple of other researchers i think that's just fascinating i still trying to maybe get him on but i can't find out like an only five one video of him even speaking english and it isn't great so i don't know if it's our interview them specifically would be the best but his material is damn interesting that all history has basically just been a fabrication cooked up by jesuit monks

1:33:51 and that maybe our timeline isn't as old as we think it is. Right, yeah he had it condensed down to about 2 000 years so I mean you could literally think of it as here's just a way to think of it just what if okay? It was kind of like Dark City the Noah story of the flood too... You wake up in a new world you know that's I think what happened to Noah in a way he went into a little Box and when he came out, he was in another world but it was a still forming world you know as a world of chaos and everything had been covered over with mud. And you couldn't see any remnants of the past there. In the story Dark City that's kind of the way they are they wake up and don't have any real evidence what their past is I kinda wonder if that happened to us? Maybe it took a few hundred years for anyone to come up with

1:34:49 a fake chronology to make us feel better about, you know not knowing where we came from. Make us feel like oh we have some kind of past and history because I don't know...I've spent what am i again? I'm 38 years old and been doing this since I was like 15 same kinda writing basically. I've been trying to make head or tail both history and mythology You know on the one hand you got history that's they were supposed to have some kind of basic chronology of it. But once you look into primary sources, as that Russian guy did amazingly, he find that the whole thing is based on just a few people and a few documents and then agreement that was made about those. And then every other piece of history gets hung on those hooks. Yes. And so the whole apparatus, the whole thing could be reordered

1:35:45 And there's no reason not to, you know. And that's what he did is he reordered it and said well what if we put this here and this there? Aren't these the same stories just with different names? And came up with only 2,000 years of history instead of 6,000. Then there was another thing that he had as physical evidence for his theory which I thought was irrefutable because there is a gap in the records of lunar eclipses. So this is a thing that's been supposedly predictable for thousands of years, and yet there's a time period in which it just didn't happen for some reason. And it's recorded as that! Not just that they forgot to write down an eclipse but like you know there's a break in the pattern there. I just thought about it as well

1:36:35 What if that shows that our order of the universe really was reordered recently, and so our idea of chronology is recent too. I mean in the alchemical stories that i'm talking about where they depict this conquering-the-sun ritual just graphically—they have graphics of suns and moons and what they're all doing to each other in rituals And you get the idea that you could really have a world, a universe born from the moon. Like the moon is kind of described as being this egg that keeps getting impregnated and giving birth to new eons. So the fact there's a lunar eclipse happens to be... The missing lunar eclipse is evidence of history being messed up with I don't know, it just sort of sets something off. Okay, I think this idea that the ancients had

1:37:35 especially for instance as text supposedly when there's a solar eclipse the sun actually dying and you have to do a bunch of sacrifices to beg. The powers to bring the sun back in because i could be the end everything if it's the sun doesn't come back Well, I wonder if there's some sort of cosmic truth to that. Especially if we're in a construct and we don't really understand how these things work and what creates an eclipse isn't really what we think it is? If it isn't the shadow of the Earth doing anything then it might really be

1:38:12 for one thing, the death of the Sun. It might really be... I mean obviously you don't see the full eclipse from every perspective on Earth so I can see the holes in my argument here but it's like what if this does signal some kind of existential threat? And what if the Sun and the Moon really are interacting with each other? They say that if Gaia and Saturn ever come together again then that will be the end of everything You know you have to keep them separated and again in these creation myths they always sort of the alchemical creation is the creation is happening by sex between the sun and moon yeah so. You got some joining each other in this guy,

1:38:59 And then it disappears, the sun disappears or the moon disappears. I don't know it just seems to me like you could interpret that as something literally happening between those two bodies and then it might make something literally happen on our planet or in our world That I think you know you might not even know what's going on when it happens right, it might be a bit like the Mandela effect where you get transformed into a new dimension. But you don't feel it. And you don't notice any differences, except maybe some of the more subtly aware people. Some of the more sensitive people might notice a difference here or there and then you get phenomenon like Mandela effect where people are complaining about things that are different but thats what I think it might be when one age passes into another when your world has just been destroyed by one of the magicians and you've been made into a slave world and theres another world on top of you

1:39:59 that it's like a changing of the age and you just don't even notice it because everything seems normal to you. So, the way I see it, you could even have the fight going on between once again heliocentrists versus people who think that the Earth is in the center Well... Again what if this was just an effect of us living in a solar age? That it seems like the Sun is the king but if we were in some other kind of age maybe it would seem like something else You know, so the perspective on what revolves around what and what's inside of what gets changed when the age changes. Right? Could be yeah it's really hard to get your mind outside of a construct that is all encompassing in your environment but I like it as a mental exercise for sure and some of this stuff you're talking about definitely makes you think there might be something to

1:40:55 I find it all just super interesting. We definitely hit on most of the topics reserved for the deepest depths of the conspiracy pool, and those are the places that I like to go even if a lot of it does have to be speculation You do bring a lot of context and symbolism to the table that has to make people think there's probably something to it Is there anything else we should say to tie these things into a neater package? Or can you tell us about where the research is going next, are there more layers to all this that have yet to be revealed. It seems like parts of what you just described might be in there huh? Oh I could go on for another 20 hours before I collapse Greg and tell you all about the deeper levels of the last book I wrote and the one that's about to come out but just add to the thing that i just said Tell me if im being stupid here or if this seems like

1:41:43 a valid observation to you. Okay, we just so happen to live in this world where we have this kind of yellow sun but it distributes light that's kinda white right? What what we perceive as white light and white light is in our universe the totality of all light So it's just so convenient that we happen to have a source of light that will give us an accurate view of all the other colors because you know good thing its gives us white light or else everything would look red or blue or something and supposedly the other stars

1:42:21 depending on where they are in their life cycle, will take on one of those other colors. So you know it's just amazing that we have just the perfect... It goes along with everything else you know? We're the perfect distance from the Sun supposedly and we're moving at this just perfect rate and we got the perfect tilt right? And everything is just perfect for there to be life and quite comfortable life here on Earth! Not only that but now we can also get an accurate view of everything or what we perceive as being accurate Because we've got white light everywhere. So it's really a good thing that we don't have blue light, you know I mean just What are the odds of that? I guess and is it not then that our perception of reality is very much Dictated by the kind of light that were being bathed in all the time Mm-hmm does that mean anything Greg do you think so? I Mean, it's a little over my head but I could definitely see it meaning something and I definitely think there is

1:43:17 little something to the idea like you mentioned about the perfection of the construct, like all the ratios that relate between the Sun Earth and Moon. The circumferences and distances that all these numbers are just perfectly aligned with Masonic numbers and Masonic symbolism You know I've had Masons come on the show and describe it And they're like yeah look The Grand Architect he makes everything using the Fibonacci sequence in the golden ratio and even the planets That's interesting, but you could flip that and be like well maybe this was all made up in the basements of some Masonic lodge centuries ago. And then none of it is real so is at all a perfect construct or are you just describing one that reflects the esoteric traditions of your order?

1:44:05 Or, and they could be right too. Like maybe the Masons are right? Okay God is a Mason just like us and he's using the same kind of rules... Maybe! But it is evidence of the artificiality of it I mean wonder you know how can you call something Natural or artificial once you start getting into these things because you know everything is artifice by God somehow right that's true You know and I've heard people saying scientists on TV saying the fact that we have a constant speed of light And that that's the fastest thing That's the limit of how fast something can be in our universe is a sign. This is a programmed universe that otherwise, you would have just

1:44:47 all these numbers would bleed out into infinity as opposed to having, for instance a quanta of things in subatomic particles. Why can they always be broken down into particles at all? I've heard people say that these are signs that we're in a video game and what you're talking about now is yet another sign! Yeah we got all these wonderful geometric shapes around us Yeah maybe that's a sign that everything was very purposely designed. Absolutely and it wasn't was it god or some kind of alchemist I don't know I think, is impossible to really even make a difference between those two things once you start getting into this absolutely I think it makes up a great analogy to a really popular game minecraft I mean my crowd is the game where you build worlds based off

1:45:36 a couple of specific tools, a couple building blocks so to speak. And you could say the same thing about the Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio and pi like you're looking at the code of the universe. You're looking at the ones and zeros that make up the construct I mean it kind of indicates that there is a pattern. Yeah then okay...you know they say that there's no pink light right? We heard this uh I mean, yeah it's not in the rainbow. Again, this is there's different ways of showing the color spectrum right? Uh-huh Normally for everyday purposes they'll show it as a straight line But when they're trying to tell you how there's no pink light They bend it around into a colored wheel and they say well There this part of the wheel is missing This is where our eyes are filling in with pink and we you know We don't really know what's there or what color it is I guess You know what it should look like but we have measurements of these different rays

1:46:47 and the ones we can't see, we're filling it in with pink. So interestingly opposite of the pink spot on the wheel is green which is you know the color of the emerald tablet and the color of alchemy they talk about... In alchemy they talked about there being red stone and green stone that as your transforming a substance alchemically trying to make the philosopher's stone which is the highest thing that will morph into red and then green. And so I'm just thinking that, okay a red stone and a green stone either one of those are going to absorb you know the opposite kind of light right? So i guess my point is this it seems like the emerald stone would be I guess blocking the pink light

1:47:42 trying to figure this out, but it's like I think it's tied somehow you know that these stones especially was acting as what I'm describing before as a deck prism if A stone of that color were filtering light out from the outside. It would filter out the opposite kind So anyway the pink light...I'll make this observation again. I don't want to offend anyone but I noticed that Okay on a regular rainbow you don't have pink but on the gay flag rainbow, you do and in fact that is considered to be the symbol of the gayness is the pink. You know and so originally had the pink triangle as I think it was specifically male homosexual associated maybe its broadened since then

1:48:26 So I just think it's interesting you know that to kind of make their statement which i think the rainbow statement is like you know we should all get together we should all accept each other something right. They show this other color in there that scientist say doesn't really exist its kinda illusion but then they're thats the representation of deviation from the norm. I don't know, so it means something is what i'm saying and then here's one more layer of meaning to it you've got the seven classical planets but Meet or Cybele the figure that was worshipped by the Templars according to the artifacts that have been found looks like she was considered to be the eighth Archon in that she kind of swallowed up the other seven yeah anyway all these things link together

1:49:16 Yeah, oh man. I think that's pretty interesting. I mean symbolically it seems fairly sound it's the one color that isn't in that rainbow spectrum and it is conveniently the one used to represent that community but the idea of I've not seen certain colors jog something in my memory i don't know if you saw this a few years ago but apparently there's scientific evidence that humans didn't even see the color blue before modern times and i pulled i pulled this weird thing up but it says Kevin Moriah breaks down the evidence behind the claim which dates all the way back to the 1800s when scholar William Gladstone, who later went on to become Prime Minister of Great Britain noticed that in The Odyssey Homer describes the ocean as wine dark.

1:50:05 and other strange hues, but never uses the word blue. A few years later Lazarus Ginger decided to follow up on this discovery and analyze ancient Icelandic Hindu Chinese Arabic and Hebrew texts to find no mention of the word blue which is odd it is supposed to be the ocean and the sky so I don't know yes go ahead No its just a very strange thing I dont know what really make of it Well, here's what I make of it. Well maybe you know in these eras when there was another sun our perception of light was totally different Maybe and You know another thing i found out researching alchemy is that a lot of the things they were known to have done And were even appreciated for Was just creating different kinds of pigments that didn't Widely exist you know they knew different secrets of how to make

1:51:01 interesting things you know things that looked really cool and so they would. I don't know there's this one pigment of red that only the alchemist knew how to make it was very expensive and hard to get during them like late middle ages in early renaissance period. So anyway yeah i wonder if Part of the secrets of alchemy they knew how to make colors and how to see with their special stones Colors that other people couldn't see and I can only imagine that there's got to be others that you know Potentially exists. So yeah, that's a very interesting thing You just said to me it's evidence for so many things one that there used to be a different Sun creating a different kind Of light another that you know our perception of history is

1:51:46 and what reality was like for our ancestors could be totally wrong. Yeah, you know? When did they invent the word blue and the color blue when did it first appear I mean i'd love to see that developed more because there's got to be a lot more to it yeah yeah I mean It's such a strange claim but it came out in a large amount of fairly mainstream publications, I mean for the internet at least. And it was just a really strange thing that stuck out in my head but man this has been a great time and i'm not surprised we didn't even touch on the Clintons using their voodoo knowledge to curse Haiti twice with an earthquake and hurricane and tug of war they're having with voodoo priests or Arthur C Clarke allegedly picking up boys at the ping pong tables of The Otters Aquatic Club

1:52:33 There's obviously a lot more meat on these bones and we'll definitely have to do a future show about the flat earth and the symbolism around the sun being a false construct. That's interesting to me, but But man, for the listeners if they are interested in this sort of stuff Genuflect is a provocative fictionalized story that does a great deal to flesh out what might be behind. A lot of these things that we only have pieces of in the conspiracy world and of course your blog is great too let them know where to go If they want to get further into this stuff We talked about today Okay so The Center Of Twyman World Is TracyTwyman.com

1:53:10 which I'm going to try to keep updated more and more. And then you can find all my books on Amazon, and that got a YouTube channel on some other stuff but you can find all links to everything if you just go to Tracy Twyman dot com at T-R-A-C-Y-T-W-Y M-A-N dot com. Awesome! There it is again Tracy big thanks interesting as always keep doing what you do i'm sure we'll be doing this again great thanks a lot Greg You've Got It Boom goes the dynamite, Tracy Twyman people. Let her hear it! Straight into the deep end of the pool The belief systems and occult traditions and rituals of the elite That nexus is one of my favorite things to do episodes about It's clear we can see some ritualized elements of major events date and number coordination So we know there's something there but it's really hard to know what

1:54:06 Is there even a homogenized esoteric belief system among the elite? Or maybe there's many, with an infinite number of ways to interpret each one. So it's tough." I do like that this show coordinated with a few other THC things recently for PLUS members who listened to my breakdown of the Consciousness Conference lectures—that Bloomberg smart building plan probably sounds a little familiar Also, I'm 95% sure that the point Chris Knowles was making about the Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Center when we talked to him a few months ago was that he thought it was a cover story for an actual tribute to Mithras. So i do think some dots are being connected with this one... big dots! In fact if you remember the Armenia footage I put out from the trip with Graham Hancock that I took

1:54:55 One of the sites in that first video is Garni Temple. It's the only active, still standing pagan temple in Armenia and it was actually built they believe to venerate I believe its pronounced Mir, M-I-H-R but that's the sun god in Armenian mythology which is most heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism and that sungod is basically an equivalent to Mithra So, two plus bonus tie-ins here. Although I can't pretend to know what it all means but I love to hear researchers make their case for the threads they pull The idea of different sun gods actually representing different qualities of the Sun or actually different suns is pretty wild But it's so hard to know what the hidden truth is behind all this mythology and symbolism It's something to think about...it might even tie into the whole Saturn Sun theory

1:55:50 The Electric Universe Model. And who knows what kind of time depths we're really talking about? I definitely don't think it's all as simple as Luciferian Satanists trying to undermine the Christian God, so don't even bother typing that YouTube comment you don't need to conspirisplain this stuff to me i've heard It! It's just so funny how people think they have it all figured out when they really have probably barely scratched the surface. I would never be so arrogant as to say I know from the outside looking in It's too complex and I've made this point before too, but I was hiking in Denver clearly high in more ways than one. And I was looking at all the geometric shapes made by people shoes and the dirt mud and it just kind of occurred to me that if we were all wiped out and someone discovered these tracks they might be like

1:56:38 Oh my god, these people were so enlightened. Everywhere they went they used the energy provided by sacred geometry to create vortexes under their feet and they clearly knew what they were doing! They were clearly SO evolved... You know? Meanwhile, we're just a bunch of idiots wearing Nikes It's just an example of how difficult it is to interpret something old with little or no context And in the case of The Elite Secret Religion Something there purposefully being deceptive about But I hope we gave you something to chew on. Tracy's book, Genuflect is really intriguing a dark conspiracy enthusiast Da Vinci code that's what i would say and I also love the concepts of the elite trying to jailbreak this environment that's A lot of fun it doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it for our benefit I always hear people say why are you being an apologist for the elite thinking That you support them against God? And It's like whoa whoa whoa

1:57:34 Maybe the creator god is a tyrant and a bunch of tyrants are trying to out-asshole the guy. Meanwhile, the masses play with fucking fidget spinners and wait for a new Game Of Thrones The Game Of Thrones is happening people! And you're missing the whole damn thing But if Tracy wants to do another episode about the Sun being some type of artificial crystal I am probably down to do that Soon enough, it seems like we're going to have a female crow on our hands here. But let me know if you want me to get her back on and go deeper into that rabbit hole? Clearly the plus show was getting way out there! I really didn't want it to end. We got into Tracy's thoughts and interpretations of the strange symbols and phrases we saw during the Pizzagate spirit cooking season

1:58:17 We talked about some further revelations and understandings of Baphomet that Tracy has come to, why Johnny Depp cutting off the tip of his own finger might have deeper related significance. We talked about John D., Diamonds & Superman, the work of Anatoly Fomenko and The New Chronology folks... And why humans in the past might not have known the color blue? Oh we went for it! So of course you might want to sign up for THC Plus and hear that extra hour You can check out that conference breakdown, watch the first Armenia video go through the archives and it's five bucks. Join the club! But we did it crazy month for me for sure so much going on and I still got those five shows out. I think it was a great month for The Higher Side Matt Landman Chemtrails & Geoengineering Steven Strong with the Out of Africa stuff Magnora 7 with the Rothschilds carving up Africa and Cecil Rhodes in the De Beers stuff

1:59:14 JM DeBoer on Dreams and then Tracy Twyman on Ancient, Elite, Occult Orders and the Conquering of the Sun Ritual. Lots of diverse topics with great guests And if you don't have THC+, for five bucks You could go and get the second half of all those shows and more I think the extra hours are definitely worth a dollar! They also allow me to buy higher quality meat when you sign up But who cares about me? You do it for you. But that's about it! Oh, there is also a new Hireside Chats shirt at thehiresideclothing.com Three symbols that represent conspiracy paranormal and the occult A Bioshock inspired theme And I really love it People have been asking for a shirt that actually says The Hireside Chats For awhile now...and we haven't had one because I just like shirts that are ABOUT something

2:00:05 But either way, new logo shirts are pretty cool. And again big thanks to Tracy and I'll see you guys soon! Thanks for listening...I've done what i can Your move mystery cults esoteric elites and reality weavers your fucking move No one knows what it's like To be the bad man To be the sad man Behind blue eyes And no one knows What its like

2:00:41 To be hated, to be fated. To telling only lies But my dreams is empty As my conscience seems to be I have hours lonely Lonely since they exposed me

2:01:20 On THC No one knows what it's like To feel these feelings Like I do And I blame you! No one bites back as hard on their anger None of my pain and woe can show through But my dreams aren't as empty

2:02:06 As my conscience seems I have hours always alone Today exposed me THC But my dreams aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be

2:03:20 I have hours of wait, only since they exposed me on THC. No one knows what it's like to be the bad man To be the sad man behind