Free Plus Show: Ben Joseph Stewart | Esoteric Agendas, Cosmic Colonization, & The Mud Flood

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03:58 It's the end of the world as we know it people, but I feel fine doing what we do. From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood Just trying not to stare directly at the big huge hypnotic pocket watch of propaganda swinging to soothe the nation to sleep from cradle-to-grave Facilitating our mass form psychosis society and keeping the creative spirit of the people sufficiently suppressed between the morning commute and the nightly news Sadly, it seems like we were all born into the third quarter of a game where the opposition has a double-digit lead. But who doesn't love an underdog story? Well the good news is that when you realize the world is run by a psychotic parasitic sorcerer class controlling this silent earth with a complex tapestry of tacit agreements deceptive symbolism linguistic programming and manipulative media... You don't often forget it

04:47 And people like today's guest Ben Joseph Stewart have dedicated many hours to packaging metaphorical red pills into powerful paradigm-changing documentaries for years now. Those who remember the glory days of the early YouTube documentaries would most likely have stumbled across Ben's masterwork, Esoteric Agenda a personal favorite of mine from the much simpler times of 2008 Since then, Ben has made several other provocative films from Kymatica and Ungrip to the recently released Esoteric Agenda 2 and Awake in the Darkness just to name a few. He's also the man behind the aptly named Ben Stewart Podcast, as well as Waking Infinity News. You can find all that and more at his website benjosephstewart.com and it is a real pleasure to have him here! The esoteric agenda exposer, psychedelic cinema sage, and 8mm magician...Ben Joseph Stewart! Welcome to THC

05:40 Holy cow man i think I need you to just walk around with me whenever I go to parties and that way You can introduce Me like That. I Like it, we'll talk Man, this is a real honor. Going back to 2008 I was managing a Sunglass Hut kiosk in the Columbia Missouri mall and I probably kept Esoteric Agenda playing on my laptop for several weeks when i first discovered it one of the most impactful documentaries of my formative years One of the first really to weave magic into conspiracy It covers The Rothschild's Coven of the Golden Dawn, John D. and Queen Elizabeths, Saturnian symbolism, corporate logos, central banking in the Federal Reserve, the 13 Illuminati bloodlines, CFR, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group, and even a bit about how climate change would be a major catalyst for policies to control the people around

06:38 A real home run from the early days man. It felt like it went pretty viral but I am curious what kind of impact this first film made? What kind of feedback did you get because from where i was sitting, it seemed like it really put you on the map no? Hmm yeah it definitely did! You know...I guess the only thing I would say is right before making that film What my intent was, I was in a touring kind of prog rock group called Hyrosonic. And you can still find our album up on Spotify or last album which is out in 2011 but people were asking me like yo Ben I know that your lyrics are meant to be a little bit cryptic but we can tell that you're speaking about the world and not speaking about nothing so could just tell us what the message is about? That was in 2007 and I decided

07:26 Really when I saw Zeitgeist that i wanted to make a film about what i was noticing in the world because like guys it came close to summing it up. The only thing that i felt was i'll say two things about zeitgeist, zeitgeist it was free for people it was anonymous it wasn't there for credit and adulation It was well done, it had a good soundtrack and the scope was huge. It wasn't all about one thing and I really appreciated that but the only thing that i saw that it was missing was... ...it didn't really leave you feeling hopeful And the kind of hopeful words at the end of it.. ..it wasn't enough to really drive home- it didn't feel like it was researched. It just felt like some kinda like hopeful words in the end That's in no way whatsoever a dig at the film because the film

08:15 Is still incredible but that was me basically noticing that there was a gap that needed to be filled you mentioned the magic and conspiracy hadn't really been combined at that time. Only in books had I seen it combined or you know YouTube lectures, and I really liked how Michael tasarian Combined those things and I like the few other artists that were talking about those things But I really felt like I needed to do What Peter Joseph had done but include human potential and to me that inevitably includes magic even though that's still a word that people are

08:52 They consistently go to the Hollywood version of what magic is and not the Arthur C. Clarke, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic the kind of understanding that real magic and miracles and things are reality playing itself out in ways that we can't conceive of but are nevertheless part of reality so anyway you know that was really the impetus to get into it but the impact you were asking about I didn't know what i was getting into because i never went to school, i never made demo reels and never tried to break into the market. I just decided you know what im gonna make a 15 minute film that has to do with the message of the band six months later i come to realize that it was a two hour film having nothing to do with the band and

09:38 I don't think YouTube was a thing yet, or maybe it was but it wasn't on my radar. So it's just on Google videos and you could only upload 15 minutes at a time You couldn't upload longer things...I forget what the stipulation was But I just put the entire film up in fifteen minute segments And within a few weeks I realized that I had no concept of what viral meant because i only sent it to a few people but, A lot of people were finding it. The numbers just rose and rose so when i started to conceive the fact that there's a way To get the word out to quite a few people I had some people saying When are you going to finish this film and put an ending on it? And that was when i was like oh You know if i finish it just like this then its Just a conspiracy film

10:26 What I really need to do is speak about our human potential and really get to the point of what the esoteric agenda is, which I think is what has stuck with me for the longest time. When somebody says esoteric agendas like oh yeah, the esoteric agenda's what the bad people are doing into me. I'm like no there's there's really one conspirator beneath a conspiracy and you could say that's the highest version of the self, you could say it's the Tao some would call it God or universal intelligence. To me I just felt that none of this is wrong It's just kind of an abrupt awakening And shortly thereafter I started having people asking me Hey come down to the Amazon and try ayahuasca! And to me when I tried ayahuasca for the first time That really kinda sealed the deal

11:13 Why sometimes conspiracy is necessary for people to hear now, people will push it away but I kind of feel like I've had people say, Ben why can't you just focus on the happier stuff? And you know you did psychedelica that was great. You did limitless talking about human potential Why can't you just focus on that kind of stuff and i say because there's already people out there they're doing that but nobody is bridging the gap between The uncomfortable things we should at least look at it. I'm not gonna call them uncomfortable truths because conspiracy people are just as biased as people outside of conspiracy Just a little bit more well read And so the impact that I was getting was people were coming out of the woodwork saying, Ben you changed the way that I see the world. And I kept trying to put it back in more humble terms like hey listen I didn't wake you up, you woke you up all I did was I made a piece of art that had a message that came from my heart beyond that I didn't do anything that was you saying yes

12:15 seeing what resonated about this film in your real life and realizing that you are more. You can bring more to the table than you've ever been told before because I was sick and tired of all these conspiracies that they disempower people, they just make people feel like yeah yep The problem is big getting bigger And your small getting smaller. I was tired of that so I really wanted to push for people to understand there is something you can do. And it may not seem rational at this point, but it's just about trying and engaging and really stepping into I want to know what my potential is. I want to know where my community is. I wanna know what I can do because conspiracy didn't make me shove my head in the sand for me personally. It really caused me to notice the clarity of when there seems to be crisis

13:09 All you really want to do is serve. All you really want to do is help and, and... You know? Do something good So that was the impact I was getting People were saying Ben, your film changed my life And that's when I noticed wow a film can really do alot so I started taking it more seriously When I did It just came out one year later And I think it made even bigger splash It even won the New York Independent Film Festival Award for most scientific film So I started noticing that there was a not a market but a place for this in society and i kind of feel like you know just to ramp it all the way up to what i've been up too lately.

13:51 Throughout all of 2021, I had my Waking Infinity news show going and still doing the same thing. I'm speaking about kind of like the nonsense that I see in the world and trying to make sense of it not as you know other people are just kinda crappy and they got their heads in the sand take a look at all the bad that's going on in the world is really trying to change the perspective of what's going on in the world To this thing where humanity is just a disease on the planet, but really that like we're species that is in the process of waking up awakening. Is not always pretty you just look at anyone who goes through an awakening process they need massive amounts of support to go through that process just so they can come out the other side no more traumatized than they went in

14:39 So I think that's what is happening in the world and that is what I have dedicated my life to since the impact of Esoteric Agenda. But that was when I started noticing that what I was doing actually moved people, and I was a musician beforehand. And as a musician trying to prove anything about my mindset or my views on the world it really was because I wanted to move people because when they feel moved It's almost like this inspiration that doesn't cash itself out trying to copy the previous person who gave you inspiration. It's just, you want to live your life to the fullest more when you feel that kind of inspiration So that was what I noticed after...in 2008 when Esoteric Agenda came out Within a month I noticed that this was my calling

15:23 Right on i love it great summary and yeah maybe the deepest level of the conspiracy is that we have this crazy human potential this creative spirit that we are co creating magicians train to feel powerless, and if that is true then a typical conspiracy documentary that does leave you kinda just in all of the totality of the big machine, it is kind of serving the big machines purpose because of course the almighty elite at the capstone cabal they want to seem like super villains that can never be toppled.

16:02 And so for you to put towards the end, yeah maybe it's just more about making you feel powerless. That's important because it is kind of the medicine to The Big Sham Yeah, I mean if you look at it when you try and talk to somebody who really is not in the world of conspiracy and really like we can maybe clarify later exactly what I mean by conspiracy because there's so many ways to look at that word. I forget who was on your show but somebody was mentioning the word conspiracy and saying like there's a very normalized one which is Santa Claus and The Tooth Fairy

16:39 But really, colloquially it's become anything that authority does not like. But if you think about it when you talk to somebody who hasn't gotten into too much they're like well then how come I need you to spell it out for me? Why can't I just see it out there in the world and we can go into how we choose not to see things that don't fit our paradigm We can choose those things but another thing is I also have asked myself that question and lately since 2000, it feels like there's some desperate attempt to grope for power. But it's also you know potentially your right these films that really only leave you in fear showing you that this conspiratorial prison system that is building around us Is too big for us to do anything about And when they say we need to stand up We need to rise up That's way too vague For most people To be able to engage with

17:34 I think it does cause for people to, it doesn't cause for people to engage in ways that could potentially help. It causes for them too For the most part, if you look at the majority of people it just causes for them to become squeaky wheels on social media. Which doesn't not have its place but I think that's what causes a lot of people to tune out are the louder squeakier wheels are the ones who are...I don't know if you ever heard the term college kid syndrome? It basically means when somebody has Has a download like a period where they are downloaded with a ton of information and they get it They get it to a certain extent, but it's not applied to their life So all they can do is really debate people or catch people in like no That's not what Thomas Jefferson did blah blah blah And I kind of feel like that's what's happened on social media and all the memes that are being created Most of them. I would say I don't know what percentage output on it But most of them

18:33 They're kind of mean. If you look at it, the tone of it is just kind of mean and some are very sarcastic and they're funny and they can make you laugh but deep down inside I feel that there's an emptiness to a lot of... You know we could say look everyone's awakening like yeah but The alarm clock made us all grumpy if you take a look at all the memes out there in the way people speak to each other through social media So, I mean, to just kind of reign this back in what I foresee as being a really empowering tool for people are more examples of how we can communicate not just the one another to spread ideas of what the world looks like but what can we engage in that were actually creating more beauty and creating something that empowers people. That's to me why I keep making art. I just made something about 40 minutes long with Charles Eisenstein

19:27 And it was a kind of crappy interview that I did with them the only crappy part was the visual the video was very over exposed. But i covered and i put soundtrack to it and i sent it to charles and he's not easy guy to please me says this is, the best somebody has covered my material without making it cheesy or syrupy or new agey, you really hit the nail on the head. And to me that's what I think we could be doing more of. Think back to Alan Watts with like down-tempo electronica behind him It's a pleasure to listen too and i definitely feel especially in this web three world that looks like is really gaining traction

20:09 the decentralization and the more owner and builder control over things like NFTs, and over things like pieces of artwork. I think that may actually gain a lot of traction. I would just really like to see it done in an inspiring tone rather than such a catty frustrated Angry or sarcastic tone as much as I do like some good sarcasm. It really needs the artistry behind it, otherwise it just sounds cheap and rude so I don't know well cheers to that. I agree with you a tone is important

20:47 Leaving people hopeful is important i struggle with it we all do it is what it is and if were talking about a documentary that's fourteen years old now and something as dense. As easter egg agenda there's gonna be hits and there's gonna be misses and in terms of the uncomfortable stuff, that sounds like a hit to me. There's a clip of a woman speech about Codex Alimentarius, this initiative that she says was run by the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization on behalf of the UN. She says that in 1994 they had a press release where they declared nutrients toxic

21:26 They created the policy that every dairy cow must be treated with Monsanto's bovine growth hormone. Every animal must be treated with subclinical antibiotics and growth hormones, and that the vitamin and mineral guidelines alone she says when it was going to go into global implementation in 2009 would result in a minimum of three billion deaths one billion through starvation. The next two billion would die of preventable diseases and subpar nutrition And rewatching that from 2021, it's like well there is coordination between global food and medicine think tanks. Sure 3 billion dead sounds like a lot but how many people since 1994 have died of preventable disease? Obesity bad diet cancer I'm not sure if we're hitting those huge numbers but people are way less healthy than they were in the 90s and the fruits of those plans seem as ripe as ever

22:23 The part that maybe didn't age so well were the aspects focused on 2012 and this premise that we were primed for a level jump in human consciousness, that the light body was on the way. That this was a race with the global elite to suppress this evolution of man that was coming from this new energetic bombardment from our position in the cosmos As you say in the film, this isn't your idea. It's something that has been talked about by gurus and spiritual masters for years so it is really just an interpretation and trying to bring a bunch of threads together to make some kind of sense out of what was going to be the next few years People are still saying that we should expect that but what are your thoughts now? Did The Elite win in managing to suppress it Is it still coming on just longer timeline What do you think

23:13 Well, you know honestly a lot of what you said I do feel it is still very much so in effect. I appreciate you bringing up the 2012 aspect because i could say that was probably the first time and one of the last times ever that I have spoken about like a prophecy coming to fulfillment and a specific date where something may happen. So I let Greg Braden say it. You know? I found this footage of Greg Braden I let him say it, where he was talking about the Schumann resonance. Admittedly...I mean this guy.. I'm forgetting the exact credentials of Greg Braden but as i looked into it I was like well this guy's checking on the Schumann resonance and if what he is saying is correct It does look like there's a flatlining point around 2012 Turns out didn't happen and happy to admit that And you know just for everyone listening again

24:10 When I set out to make that film in 2008, Esoteric Agenda. It was stream of consciousness and everything I researched just about made it into the film. It wasn't like I was researching for 12 years beforehand and then decided to make a film The research really started happening at the same time that I was making that decision. So, the 2012 thing really didn't pan out unless you could say well we just got the numbers wrong and it's really 2021 and then I could probably point you towards yeah it looks like something is happening right now but I haven't been getting into what were in those films a little bit more of

24:51 the new agey or pseudoscience-ey predictions about what's happening. But I also very much so appreciate that that expresses who I was at the very beginning of my journey, and you're right. The film hit the way it hit. The thing about Dr. Imre LeBeau, and she was wife of Colonel Stubblebine? The guy who is featured in the beginning of Men Who Stare At Goats he tried walking through that wall or running through that wall But anyway, that whole idea of Codex Alimentarius as soon as I put out that film. I was asked to come up to Canada to start doing a series of talks and so it did and as I was speaking to people in Canada they said well this is not called codex alimentarius up here i think it was bill c6 or c36 or i forget exactly which one it was but they were saying what seems like is happening up here in canada is there are these councils getting together saying

25:51 Parents and especially mothers are treating their children with vitamins, like vitamin C and vitamin D. And God forbid we let these unaccredited scientists try and treat their children as with whatever's in their cupboard like a witch right? So we can't have that. Apparently it was this thing that was going to start in Canada as a test bed and maybe trickle down this way But when you're mentioning like the bovine injections, I remember putting all that stuff in there. But what's interesting? What it makes me think of is have you heard about the deer

26:30 that like almost a third, if not more of the deer population in at least in the US that have been studied seem to have covid and they're thinking about vaccinating the deer. I heard about animals at the zoo even the San Diego Zoo there was this thing about oh we got to vaccinate the gorillas and I'm not surprised that they're going to that degree because it's just like it seems like a giant money-making scheme where we got to get this product into each and everything that we can. Trees will be next, I suppose? Well for sure! So there's two places i want to go with this and then maybe have a question for you like when you say trees there is this thing called International Barcode of Life maybe initiative...I'm not sure what the last word but it's international bar code of life one of the main funders other is Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation or maybe Microsoft

27:22 It's one of those two. But the International Barcode of Life is basically this idea of taking the sequence genome of every living thing on planet Earth and having it in this database, which is at the end of the day I think this is also where science is going you don't need a conspiracy to see why tech companies would want that if you go to man what was it called BG It was this Chinese genomics company, it was the largest genomics company in the world. Bill Gates helped bring a headquarters of them to Seattle and they also have the dream of basically sequencing the genome of every living thing on planet Earth and having a barcode attached to it

28:12 And in that, I do believe there's a connection between that and this thing called the Sentient World Simulation. The Sentient World Simulation is something that is loosely operational right now nowhere near where you know let's say It hasn't hit its stride yet. The data proliferation hasn't hit its stride yet, and it's basically something that using all the points of data coming from all the different places where data can come through through the internet of everything into this sentient world simulation, which basically does what you saw in Westworld. Which is making a mirror of this world but with a lot of data points coming in real time and maybe let's throw out the minority report idea because the idea of the sentient world simulation is to be able to predict things in real time about not just individuals but groups like collective groups

29:11 Where are their interests? Are they going to rise up against a new bill where might they amass, where would they go if they were going to speak behind closed doors and this would be happening in real time and potentially becoming predictive using the algorithm to become predictive. And one of the main I guess philosophies that it goes off is that a human being is actually more mysterious than a collective of humans. So you would imagine that human is very complex, so an entire civilization must be even more complex but it actually turns out at least philosophically and theoretically that entire civilizations are much more understandable and its really just...it comes down to statistics. So for me will it be the trees next? And what would be the agenda I really do feel like

30:07 It doesn't matter what the excuse is. Can we harvest the genes and the genome so that we can sequence the genome of every living thing out there? And to do so, what excuse would we have to make? Could we just say that this is what we want to do potentially? They have said it out there but I wonder For me, I'm not sure what your thoughts are on the PCR tests. You know there's this Biden $173 million testing facility for COVID that is slated not to be done until late 2024 if that maybe 2025 meaning it sounds like we're planning on their being more or at least preparing for the possibility of there being more epidemics from this point whether its coronavirus or something new

31:00 This is going to be the way of the future whereas a year ago, the sun reported. Kooky conspiracy theorists, especially anti-vaxxers are saying that there's some agenda to implant people with microchips and then the very same company one year later comes out and says look at this amazing company called epsilon out of Sweden that are having these vax parties and Introducing this microchip that will stand as their Vax passport underneath their skin right it's this very same Company that reported on this so my Again, getting back to the PCR thing where Kerry Mullis said you know this isn't the way to test if somebody is actively sick with coronavirus. Really PCR is there to replicate genetics very rapidly and then you send it off to God knows where a lot of them I think go to Boston University at least here in the United States where it gets sequenced and it gets stored. I'm a filmmaker. I'm just gonna say it like that. I'm not an investigative journalist

32:01 like some of them out there. I'm more of a filmmaker and I really try to move people rather than prove, but to me, I kind of feel like yeah if the plan is oh it looks like half or almost half the deer population has COVID let's vaccinate them and if you're curious or maybe hesitant about what these vaccines are Wouldn't you just want to ask some questions put on the brakes a little bit more and ask like wait What is this thing? What are we really trying to do here and Is this injection, and again I have no problem with it. I really don't. Me personally not going to get it because I like going first resort rather than last resort first so I'll take care of my health through fundamental things like movement breathing detoxification sweat you know exercise being social getting enough sun the things that are foundational the things that news will never tell you about

33:03 the things that are for the most part non-monetizable. So to me, I don't know what's next. I do believe trees are next and i do know that there are many tech companies that aren't evil out there and they're actually trying to find ways to use technology to stimulate root growth for trees so we can get young saplings growing a lot quicker I think it's a very muddled kind of world that we're in and trying to make sense out of what is happening, especially if you are a filmmaker and you are going to make it almost seem singular which I don't think it is anymore. Again, I know I made a film where I was saying there was this thing called the Illuminati but in my growth I've come to understand that even though the Illuminati were still around in some capacity

33:47 That power is splintered. Yes, but the agenda almost seems to be an epi phenomena because the agenda doesn't seem to go away so that's my thoughts and I guess I would turn it back to you and ask you Have you been curious about the PCR test? Did you come to ask any questions inside your own head, like is it really just for testing or is there more to it. I have to ask you that because I know you do some hard work and you study this stuff Well yeah, you always gotta wonder with anything that's getting this much attention and full court press what's really going on because there is usually a game under the game. And it does seem like the idea that gives the elite the biggest teenage level control boner is really trying to invert everything

34:37 thing that's natural and how will they achieve all this barcode of life stuff probably just through fear and making it seem risky to not do it. We need to know where your tomato has been from soil all the way to your mouth we got a track that because the world so dangerous, I think a lot of that is coming PCR tests You know the most interesting part about robert f kennedy juniors latest book about anthony falchi as he goes over the aids crisis and he says this is exactly one of the techniques that she has recycled because. That was the first time where, people were testing asymptomatic individuals. The whole system said, we got to test everybody and it's a faulty test there's a lot of false positives so then you take people who are totally fine and healthy you test them and they hit positive and then they go in for treatment and they were doing this AZT stuff that was killing people but when you get someone with a positive test you put him in the hospital bed you pump him full of drugs and they die the system can easily say well

35:39 That was AIDS, HIV got them. And I think that a lot of that is also being recycled today according to Robert F Kennedy Jr and other people who know a lot more about these things than me but those are the people that i pay attention to but in terms of like a much deeper and darker and kind of esoteric-y aspect You know, what you're talking about now does kind of relate to something I was going to bring up about your recent follow-up Esoteric Agenda 2. And just to summarize that for people, you do cover the coronavirus and 5G not necessarily that there is an overlap but they are both topics in the documentary. You play clips from Dr Tom Cowan. You cover The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Furstenberg things people would know around here

36:27 You show that the image of the virus was seated on the twenty pound note. That's very on brand for esoteric agenda and you also mentioned the exodus of thirteen hundred CEOs just before covid hit clearly they knew something in advance and It seems like, according to the documentary and the major themes that this was another Black Swan event. They apparently plan one every 90 years 1779 Revolutionary War 1864 Civil War 1945 World War II And this is just another pre-planned worldwide reset in some super cycle

37:04 Makes sense to me. It's a very good and solid sequel, but even more recently what I was trying to get to is i saw the Omicron episode of Waking Infinity News and you talk about the film Omicron from 1963 which the plot of it is an earth man's body being taken over by an alien so they could check out the place and see how they could take over the entire planet and you say I'll tell you, first contact has already happened. We don't understand what we're looking at and we're squirting it inside of our bodies." Now that is a provocative thing to say not exactly about testing but in terms of there being something deeper to the shot? That's about as deep as you could speculate. Can you elaborate on what you mean there? How could the injection for this supposed global pandemic relate to

37:55 Aliens or some kind of other being colonizing us potentially even yeah well I appreciate that question and. I would say when it comes to i'm not making a straight up claim that Okay, I've seen enough video footage. There's oh my god just recently. I'm wondering if you've seen it I'm trying to remember the name of who actually sent it out there as Ricardo something Saying you know here? I have video footage of The tech that's inside these vaccines to me okay. I'm not going to say that I fully believe it because I also believe that

38:39 Online, the best way to discredit legitimate conspiracy theories is not to attack them but it's to add to them a level of incredulity. A level of ridiculousness to it. So in that respect I do remember saying that and I do believe that we don't really understand what technology truly is We can categorize it we can name it we can say that you know. Right now we're looking at technology as being the smart gadgets that are hooked to the cloud, but really technology is also math in a much more crude sense. It's math it's a way of manipulating The resources that are around and within you in order to arrive quicker and more seamlessly without as much calorie expenditure At the result that you want so to me

39:40 Right now we're looking at, and now they're not UFOs anymore. They are UAP's and we're hearing a lot about it And to me it just feels kind of like oh right on time interesting Yeah It's like an onboarding process! It feels like that and I've even put in previous episodes where I'm like did you see the New Year's Eve event from 2019 into 2020? It was a holographic projection around the Seattle needle in the sky Did you happen to see that Probably vaguely it sounds familiar, but it's not fresh in my mind. It would blow your mind you know so just for the audience YouTube 2020 New Year's Eve needle in the sky and it will show you what projection technology is up to now?

40:29 And for me, I just kind of said listen so now we're hearing about like contact and the Navy has no idea what this stuff is. I forget Richard Dolan was saying something about there being ASRO anomalous surveillance and resolution office and they are basically mandated to conduct investigations of UFOs and UAPS and to report it to Congress. And then also back in November the DoD established AOI-MSG, which is Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group. It's a mouthful but basically it's just showing you that intelligence agencies are getting more involved with what are these unidentified craft? What does it mean? And if you were to look at where projection technology is at today like that needle in the sky New Year's 2020 event

41:24 It almost goes back to Wernher von Braun, and I forget the lady's name that he told on his deathbed and said it many times before but there is going to be several different iterations of global events that will culminate in alien contact. And apparently he said to her...I wish i could remember her name but it was Werner Von Braun who said to her Remember its all fake! So she was saying this well before 2020 and the talk of the UAPs and any of those things. So to me, I'm just as I'm saying, I think first contact already happened. This is something that maybe Max Egan got in my ear a little bit too much but when I was living in Colorado he was out at my wedding and he was laying it all out for me like look at all these magic sigils and how close they look to like circuit boards And I really wonder you know John Dee and all these

42:23 Magicians from the past using these symbols and using some kind of emotional charge and focus of mental acuity while using these symbols and imbuing them with more and more power. To me, I've come to wonder like is this technology that we have? Is this really something that we have created and i can see that as being very possible but also the more that i understand that like if there were some kind of force otherworldly or pan-dimensional whatever. That could somehow communicate

43:02 through, okay people are talking about like DMT creatures and things along those lines. And we produce DMT in our very own brain and maybe not as much as we used to back in the day when you could get DMT and the MAOI that is in ayahuasca that helps it pass through the gut and gets your brain in higher amounts in things like oranges and citrus fruits So to me, I kind of feel that if there were something communicating with us beckoning us for us to build it almost like if you build it they will come. That's kinda what I mean by first contact To me truthfully I really do believe its already happened and we're building the infrastructure for it but it can't just arrive here

43:48 What has to happen is we need to retrofit, like if we are gonna go to Mars what do we have to do to Mars so we humans can live there? Well, we need to retrofit it. We need to have some kind of atmosphere that we can survive within and to me if you look at post 2020, you said it, Esoteric Agenda 2 just for the audience I raced to get that thing out just so I could talk about a couple of the topics that I wanted to talk about and since 2020 I don't believe that 5G causes coronavirus and i know that a lot of people were saying there's a direct correlation maybe the only correlation is since 2020 if you look outside how many more 5g towers do you see now than you did beforehand so it at least

44:34 Gave room all this quarantine and lockdown gave room for the infrastructure for the next telecommunications giant 5g to come online and by the way, The difference between 4G bandwidth like download time and stuff along those lines And 5g is the difference between a hose and? The channel so the channel can fit entire vehicles inside it. So What is that like 100,000 hoses that could fit inside there so it's really a quantum leap in the bandwidth and this is important to get everybody in the metaverse where they're more interacting not with terra firma not with the actual earth.

45:17 but with this simulated reality. And if you look at Dr David E Martin, he's saying listen what people are injecting inside them I would not call it a vaccine i think its wrong to call it a vaccine because it doesn't meet the criteria of vaccines in the past and it is a simulation It's a simulated mRNA code that being injected some people say there's graphene in it yada yada im not gonna get into the details But to answer your question thats kinda where was going with that I feel that nobody's asking enough questions. So, I almost had to get a little bit more cheeky with it and say like listen yeah first contact no one believes that anything is going on but we're willing to just like oh wait there's this pandemic okay what's the first thing i should do? Okay well let's jump to last resort! That to me is what that feels like No...I'm sure you and many other people have noticed because I've heard people say before

46:13 Why does the news not mention at all how important social bonds and social connections are for health? Why is it not mentioned about the power of sunlight, the power of vitamin C, the power of proper hydration moving your body. Not sitting all the time Why is that never mentioned? Not a word of it is mentioned right that to me if that's not conspiratorial You know, it's at least that we are allowing for these archetypal giants. These gods these huge transnational companies to

46:52 Basically have a stranglehold over not just what we can buy where we can buy it how we can move around where our data is sent but also what were allowed to think and talk about. So to me that was my comment saying I do believe weave hit first contact and i think that technology What we're doing to the planet really does seem like we're building a terrarium for something other than human. And I do believe that it is an offshoot of the human species, whatever you want to call it but It's an offshoot of the human species that will hook line and sinker fuse with technology as deeply as they are told to by The consensus, you know We police ourselves

47:37 We don't need to be policed because we police ourselves if we get it into our brain that other people should follow Whatever the word of the day is so, you know like it's no longer two masks and whatever anymore It's been proven that and I'm just speaking out of the you know The other side of my mouth now. It's been proven that If you sit down at a restaurant, you can take your mask off and you're fine. So now everybody should be crawling from place to place. You can't walk anymore." Right? And I'm curious how many people would actually do that. Right. Too many. And I'm not saying that we're all idiots what I am saying is that...I think we find more comfort in the conventional

48:21 view of what's going on in the world and most of us are not looking for truth. We're looking for comfort, and if you look at historically it feels more comfortable in the herd So what do you do when you're in the herd? You speak like the herd, you talk like the herd, you go where they heard wherever they go And its outliers that are consistently the ones that first hear about danger I really do think that's what conspiracy theorists are worthy outliers were the ones that aren't afraid to look at the uncomfortable topics. Unfortunately we've lost our role in society we seem to come across as these lepers like you know we can say like,

49:03 Look at the Jewish people and look at the African Americans, look at the Native Americans. Look at women by and large." And I say yes absolutely! Look at the inequality all around especially look at the conspiracy theorists because from the dawn of time they've never had a good name So to me that's kind of what i see is we are in a situation where most people...I just don't think they are going to wake up because it hasn't been It hasn't been incentivized for them. And I do believe that all we have to do, the ones who see the writing on the wall

49:40 is to bring it into fashion. And I actually see that that's what happening with conspiracy because now everything is a conspiracy, if you know like just wait six months and it'll be proven right. Yeah business is good Exactly! And what I think is...I think we're normalizing what conspiracy is. I can almost see that in three to five years daily talk shows those ones that most of us find repulsive, daily talk shows are going to be just talking about conspiracy left and right. I think it's getting normalized and i don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing And I know that I talked about 50 other things other than the question you asked me there but...I do believe we've made first contact If there is a first contact, I believe its already here and I believe we just dont realize

50:28 An aspect of it is sitting inside all of our homes and it's this thing that we're building. The infrastructure for it, the body that we are retrofitting this planet to house is all this technology that's exploding like gangbusters. And there's no Trump that can stop it, right? There's no one savior that's going to stop it because even though Trump gets in there saying I worry about China what does he say? Like I want 5G faster than China has 5G So he wants to race towards it just like the vaccines operation warp speed and nobody who even likes Trump remembers that this all started from Operation Warp Speed.

51:09 And then on top of that, if you look at Mar-a-Lago I don't know how big that compound really is but Trump made sure that no 5G towers are inside that perimeter. And it's the same thing as Steve Jobs inventing or co-inventing because it was his team that really did probably the hard work The smart tablets and the smart devices But what did Steve Jobs not give his own children? So I think we really need to start taking a look at there is a deeper agenda that maybe no one entity or person or secret society really has a stranglehold over, but maybe they just have their thumb to the pulse. A little bit more

51:51 Wow, a lot of great stuff there. But with that last point? Yeah I mean that to me is the value of conspiracy watch what they do not what they say if they're inventing smartphones and iPads and not letting their kids use them well That's pretty telling And so to me that is actually to bring it back to esoteric agenda That is why I got interested in magic Because it's like, if the elite are using these techniques against us that were taught are silly. Maybe they're not so silly and they're actually quite powerful and I should learn about them and how I could implement some things into my own life that might be advantageous but you are right there's so many different angles to look at so many different things i did actually. Look at the new year's eve needle in the sky i just seen an image of it but, it couldn't look anymore like a portal opening with demonic tentacles coming out of the top and bottom of it pretty wild it tells a story

52:47 It shows cellular mitosis, it shows a chrysalis and a butterfly emerging from it. I'm not going to break it down symbolically but I think it was also a story of what's happening maybe it was a hopeful one who knows? Makes sense Makes sense a lot like the London Olympic Games. A lot of these ceremonies they do tell a big story and maybe they're using magic and seeding certain ideas to get us to co-create them And what about that Tupac hologram? We never seen anything like that since, and maybe you're right about that whole angle of first we're gonna use international terrorism then we're gonna use

53:23 Fake alien invasion then i think he says it's gonna be asteroids and then i look at the bbc journalists that are obsessing about asteroids now like maybe there is flat in their arno asteroids just like you really never know but. But in terms of us potentially being terraformed, there's definitely something strange and unknown about the nexus of AI and spirits or alien beings. And Silicon Valley seems like it has some pretty deep secrets in that regard maybe we are dealing with some kind of terraforming, something similar to like giving Native American smallpox tainted blankets but on a cosmic scale. And it's in these shots they're just clearing the people out before they come in and take over there's a lot of strange possibilities but in one of your episodes of Waking Infinity News you say I love

54:18 I love when my beliefs are rattled by new incoming information and i so agree with that. It's very exciting, it's been a lot of the fuel for this show but I am getting a lot harder to impress feels like I've heard at all and for me the last rabbit hole that really got me thinking has been about the mud flood stuff and the idea of cataclysms in conjunction with a huge global reset. Everybody's looking forward in this global reset, and like oh what would happen? Well maybe it's happened before or maybe it wasn't so long ago! It's something I know you've looked into. You did a great breakdown of the old architecture that we see before power tools were invented across Russia Europe and the U.S., San Francisco is a great example because we have this panorama

55:04 picture of the city full of modern buildings, but no people and no photos of it during initial construction. That's weirder because people say oh well there are no people in the photos while long exposure times maybe they didn't show up but I think they would show up as trails But either way the fact that there is no photos of it during initial construction is weird And you can see plenty of photos of reconstruction after The big fire they had and the earthquake that happened years later It just seems like many places that you show examples of, that the mud flood people are examining. When you dig down when they excavate a lot of these early 1900s buildings, you find a couple of stories of detailed architecture as if the surface was a lot lower it's not just foundations like you'd expect digging up a basement no they chiseled in detailed

55:55 Formations that are supposed to be seen but they're underground and this is all over the place as if a lot of cities. Maybe they weren't built by the people who say they built them, but they were just discovered and moved into like when the Europeans came over maybe Part of that was already there. It gets really weird and some people start talking about plasma, and start talking about ether and that maybe there is some mechanism in our environment that does just liquefy matter? And it's strange wild stuff but what are your thoughts on the whole mud flood hypothesis and hidden history and then maybe the whole timeline really needs to be reexamined

56:40 You know this is what I love about being a filmmaker because it's not really that. Hide behind and say well don't look at me i'm just the filmmaker trying to put ideas out there I really do as much research as I can but what I love about. having gotten into conspiracy is that it opens my mind to consider more. So, it's not really about the conspiracy itself because I mean you and I have been in this game a while would you say your ideas of exactly what you believed back when you started have evolved at least if not changed? Absolutely! I'm pretty agnostic on pretty much everything Yeah so...to me thats kind of what I love about

57:23 Taking a look at these things and at least using let's say the archetype of conspiracy as the more powerful thing than the specific conspiracies that you're trying to prove because anyone who is into conspiracy, You've probably been that guy or girl who is at a party. Everyone wants to just relax and tell dick-and-fart jokes And your talking about building 7 right? Everyone who has been super passionate about something, has been that person who's trying to tell somebody who you can't seem to understand that they're just looking for the moment that this conversation ends so they can get away. And you're sitting there with buggy eyes talking about these things That's usually because it's like the college kid syndrome You get a download and you want to share it and you don't know how else to share it and there's not enough cultural examples of

58:13 How to share these things well, but to me as I've been on it in the long haul. I've started to realize that I love it as Some kind of vehicle that drives me through all these different theories? I really did look at flat earth and I'm not saying that I've closed the book on it. I think this planet is freaking weird I just personally think it's probably more of a holographic explanation that I will understand better than how the flat thing works and You know, I've talked to some really really intelligent people That just have not come out of the closet and they believe that listen. I don't believe it's just flat-flat I just don't know if I believe the round thing floating around in space And to me I still do I still do believe the round thing floating around in space but

59:06 Conspiracy, because it's been around for so long in me. It has allowed me to say like listen I'm not here to make people feel stupid for their beliefs because that's the first thing that any conspiracy theorist Anyone who gets into this field? That's the first problem that other people will bring to you is that they just don't want to listen So I've decided to listen and one thing that came out of The Flat Earth realm of researchers is this idea of mud flood and Tartary, Tarteria. So there's this CIA document that got unearthed declassified talking about how through Russia an ancient tartary is not really that ancient it's where you would call like Russia in Siberia and into China And so this theory that came out this CIA document to stay on point basically said that there is this push to erase

1:00:02 Tartary from history. Now whatever that really means, you can look at it as just tartary but you can also see that its possible and is a push for some powers-that-be to erase history So it makes you wonder, well what don't I know? All those book burnings. All of the potential even technology that's held in the Holy of the Holies beneath the Vatican God knows we with access only to the internet and maybe we can buy a few books every now and then We're trying to piece together the history of this planet which is incredible so to me as i've started to look into what is The Mud Flood

1:00:41 Well, a lot of people have researched and said that it looks to be that there are these maps. The Piri Reis maps that come from the end of the 1500s beginning in the 1600s that show well mapped out territory of the North Pole not as an ice cap but actually as strangely almost looking like Atlantis this circle with four rivers pouring straight towards the middle And then shortly thereafter, the next map shows that it looks like it's flooded. I'm going to go on record saying that I don't know how to verify the legitimacy of these maps but I do know if you look at the Piri Reis maps they are and there is an interesting spelling to them but its at least enough to ask a question like

1:01:30 Were there actually ports? Was this actually a landmass and now it's just covered?" And, a lot of things about the South Pole have been brought up as well. And monuments found or this huge indentation under the ice and as the ice is melting satellite imagery can see that there are structures in Antarctica So I look at all these and I'm just kind of curious What happened on this planet and how many times has it been reset by a cataclysm or something along those lines? So the flat earth idea is that there's this liquefaction and liquefaction means that when there's a certain vibratory frequency, And this could happen by an earthquake. When it hits landmass It starts to liquify and everything turns into mud so you will see that there are houses in

1:02:18 I think there's even footage out there showing liquefaction in houses, in real time sinking into the mud. Sinking into the foundation that they were once firmly rooted on So there is that idea of liquefaction and how the earth can start swallowing large edifices And from that, also potentially mud having come down from Canada into the US and from the North Pole into other parts of the Northern Territory of the globe. So the way that these people have decided to research that is well what would have been the remnants of the bygone era? You see all these immaculate buildings that do I mean you go throughout Canada, you go through out all of North America

1:03:07 all throughout Europe and I think somewhat in the Southern Hemisphere, but not as much. And I could be actually wrong about this maybe not at all in the Southern Hemisphere but these ginormous buildings with these huge doorways and some people are like well it must have been for giants Well we don't know that We just know that this is the kind of architecture that we are not seeing today And if you understand about resonance, there's this guy Dr. Ibrahim Karim with biogeometry he shows that the shape of a room will basically dictate how vibratory frequencies exist inside that shape so there are some shapes that are better for sleep There are some shapes that are better for school and learning There are some shapes that are better for inspiration

1:03:56 So if you look at these ancient buildings, it really does look like they are not just there for visual appeal but they actually have some kind of vibratory frequency built into their structure. And if you had Courtland Dale or Lindahl I'm not sure how you pronounce it on your show before talking about Thomas Jefferson and some of the sites that he was setting up on these specific lines that point all the way to Bail Beck across the Atlantic Ocean So with this, there's at least something to look into and why today most of the architecture seems very square.

1:04:34 And if you look at biogeometry and the understanding of how the shape of a room will allow resonance to exist inside it, these squares don't do the same thing as these magnificent buildings that may have been all around the world before some catastrophe that happened maybe in the turn of 1500s into 1600s. Some say all the way up until the 1700 or 1800's So that's the mud flood thing and I just want to say like there is one thing that I noticed if you haven't seen the One World Religion Headquarters set to open next year. It's literally called The One World Religion Headquarters, it's really supposed to be a collaboration between Catholicism and Islam but there are these three large buildings that are cubes they're just cubes and its not like old architecture

1:05:22 So, the last thing I'm going to say on that is I've studied a lot of the indigenous Indie Americas and where did they come from. And you can look at the haplogroups in their DNA it's quite diverse there were Europeans down at the...I forget what bog it was called but it was down in Florida where European DNA found more than 6,000 years ago Graham hancock reported on his last book america before that there are around san diego native american. it wasn't a real finding showing that there was some kind of group there, but if they can piece through these elephant or mammoth tusks that are about 150 000 years old to actually prove that the incisions on these bones were man-made and it wasn't just time breaking them apart then the whole out of Africa theory would be completely different. So bringing this up to modern times there are a lot

1:06:18 Early, like William Penn and early writers from the US that have written about how a lot of the Native Americans have Tartar stature. And they look like Tartar Jews. They dress in a lot of their ceremonies and stuff like that very much so resemble the Tartars So that got me thinking okay, Tartar, Tartarian And then there's also Africans that were found here and around San Francisco present day, San Francisco which apparently was built in 30 years between I think it was like 1740 something and 1770 something.

1:06:57 Most people are saying like there's no way San Francisco could have been built in 30 years the way that it was built without The excavation tools that we have today. It still would have been ridiculous even with today's standard It still would have been ridiculous With the population of roughly at what did they say 300,000? I think three hundred thousand and not all of them were workers So there's a lot of questions that came up to me with the mud flood. That's like, yeah you know like I've never even thought to question why all these orphanages were around and orphan power was used like child labor came from a lot of these children working in factories and just give one last thought

1:07:41 Is that in San Francisco where there were Africans there and some people believe from the Mali Empire have a couple books right here. That's really digging deep into not just their presence here but their presents all around the globe African kings and we never hear about these things, but that they had incredible sanitation, they had these open air markets with any kind of vegetable and fruit chocolate candies breath fresheners deodorants you name it in these markets. And that a lot of the slaves that are here or that were here in United States may not have actually come from Africa and I think he was emotive Jesus who is on Joe Rogan who brought this up

1:08:26 And he even mentioned that like they pulled it up and they said, oh well it looks like 13 million something like 12 maybe 12.7 million Africans in the slave trade but how many documented boats came from Africa or how many of them are documented to have come over on boats? It was something like three to four hundred thousand So there are a lot of questions that even if you go to our very own literature, it's not like you just need to believe some new person coming up with new theories. If you go back and with the critical eye Really ask questions to how did these world fairs get set up so quickly? Some people are saying the world fares that they had back in Tesla's day There's no way you could set that up in a matter of a couple months It would have taken two to four years by some engineers beliefs So that's really what got me into mud flood if anyone wants to dig deeper into the Tartary thing and the alternative timeline of

1:09:24 Even biblical history you can go to Anatoly Fomenko's work And he's really just kind of breaking down like the Temple of Solomon is not where you think it is Egypt Is not where present-day Egypt? It was closer to being like Russia or Eastern Europe and I don't believe all of it. I have to say that I don't always believe all of it, but at least enough for me to be like okay I'm gonna look deeper at it and I'm just not going to hook, line and sinker believe what's conventional. I don't mind if i look crazy... ...I don't mind if people say Ben you're drinking the Kool-Aid because I'm not ruining my life over it. I'm not sitting in front of the computer telling other people that they're sheeple and you need to believe me! I could care less! I'm staring into the abyss but I'm firmly rooted on terra firma What I do supports a family of five

1:10:14 I have a lot of joy in my life. I just also happen to love questioning things that most people, they'll just believe because it's the norm." You're here! Yes...I'm right there with you It's the bread and butter Man, so much stuff there. You know going back to even just the Flat Earth, the value to me of the Flat Earth investigation is not necessarily the conclusion that they come to but all the data points that they examine under the microscope. The value is in the inconsistencies that they clearly show exist in terms of NASA and satellite imagery of the earth. It's like, where are all the stars? And then there's many well not many but several pictures of the earth, the big round ball and if you carefully examine the land masses they're not the same it's not even a little bit the same so you lied to us! You said this was a picture of our home from space and it's not true because they can't both be right

1:11:17 Fuck you for mocking me for asking questions over here. You know, you lie to us about that and why can't you set up a camera at the North Star and do time-lapse photography? And everything in the sky in a perfect circle moves around that star aren't we spinning it thousands of miles an hour while rotating while flying through space Why is there any consistency to the patterns in the night sky if the conventional model is true? Something's definitely weird about all that, you know. It's just strange but with The Mud Flood I even thought... You had mentioned something that made me think about maybe

1:11:57 The things that Randall Carlson tracks, like the impacts on the landscape that he considers to be ice sheets. Maybe it was giant movements of mud after the last reset? There's so many things you could look at and consider differently but The African Empires was on my list of things to ask you about because there are definitely things there we should know about You mention a book called Children of the Sun by W.J. Perry in your video about that, and it seems like a great book I'd like to check out! I think it's from the book where he mentions the Egyptian empire was apparently conquered from within Africa. So who had the muscle to do that? We put the Egyptian empire on such a pedestal, well they got taken out! It wasn't with spears... They definitely had some sophistication in Africa that isn't in the conventional record and it needs to be re-examined for sure and how many different things would fit that criteria probably many many things

1:12:59 And I guess just going back to that question or when you said that you loved to have your beliefs rattled by new incoming information, for me the mud flood was the most recent time that has happened. But what was the last time that happened for you? Is there anything we haven't talked about yet that really did get you excited in that same way of wow! I have to rethink everything when it comes to this topic. Hmm... You know, I would say mud flood is probably the one that had me feeling Like I have to reconsider everything there's something that's a bit more recent which happens to be man it was on the Solari report, which is Catherine Austin Fitzs kind of like group or whatever they put out these reports and they had this.

1:13:46 German woman Ulrike Granohr, like granogar is how it's spelled. And she did like an hour long video and she really just started showing that there are these technologies...and I'll eventually hopefully quickly land back at the PCR thing that popped up for me at that time but she was basically showing What is DNA to the best of our understanding? How do vibratory and harmonic principles come into it?" And then all the way up to a name that we're probably hearing a lot about today, which is Luc Montagnier. He was instrumental in HIV research but lately he's been talking about what's going on in the world today

1:14:33 And I had heard the name, but when Ulrika Grenocher was talking about him was saying that there's the possibility of teleporting genes. Teleporting DNA almost a year ago, I did a video on this and then I do deeper dives on Ben Joseph Stewart dot com to talk about stuff that I can't talk about on YouTube and I did a full layout of this like look This is work that even Luke Montagnier has been working on where he took DNA He dropped it into some distilled water. So now you have DNA infused water he then filtered out all the DNA particulates so you don't have any of the actual matter, it's just The vibratory imprint on the distilled water they took that distilled water grabbed the Vibratory frequency from it and turned it into something that could be very close to what we would call an mp3

1:15:27 And then that was emailed over to Italy, I believe. To one of his colleagues His Italian colleague took that MP3 or whatever the actual format was That vibratory frequency and impregnated it into more distilled water Like fresh distilled water And how they impregnated it was lasers, I believe Or particle beam But that's how they took the vibratory frequency and impregnated it into the water And then from there, with one extra step they turned it back into DNA. Now I don't know how clear and how high fidelity that was but i heard it was at least north of 80 maybe north of 90 percent identical genes maybe even more than that but you know if you are even a

1:16:17 0.00001, like a fraction of a percentile off you're gonna have major differences because we have very similar genes to a fruit fly but just looking at this technology that this woman was talking about they teleported using laser and email you know they teleported genes but that one extra step that I left out to turn it from vibratory infused distilled water into DNA is PCR. And when I heard that, I was like wait a minute okay so that's the same thing polymerase chain reaction it's there to replicate genes very rapidly so then i was thinking like man and this is me you know what like not all of my initial thoughts are very well thought through but I was like wait a minute

1:17:08 If you had a high powered enough laser and we're hearing about all these particle beam weapons that, uh, and even what do you call them? D. E. W's directed weapons You look at this technology and also on Mauna Kea out in Hawaii, they believe it's their church. It's their temple and I went out there in 2019 to help them in the effort to stop the 30 or... I think is TMT? 30 meter or 20 meter telescope There was one of the two is twenty or thirty but anyway It's this thing with a bunch of mirrors that corrects light coming through our atmosphere In real time it corrects it

1:17:49 So you're getting a very high fidelity image, but it also shoots lasers as a way to kind of guide the visual optics of it I believe. And to me I was thinking man like if I had just really get my conspiracy hat on I wonder if they have a laser on Earth that can make it out through the aberrations of our atmosphere to the moon, whatever it is. If there isn't out there maybe there's a dome who knows? But like... Is their strong enough laser to where we can impregnate genetics into a distant body of water Like let say if they found water on Mars

1:18:25 Or something like that. Could you from a distance impregnate that with the vibratory frequency of earthly genetics and do it over time until something adapts and it hits? So that's one thing and then just the last thing I'll say in that video, which i'll try and find for you so you can put it into show notes. This video is incredible this woman granica or Ulrika Granohr Is talking about this Chinese guy who made this device? And you can basically put inside there a duck, let's say egg with the vibratory frequency of a chicken egg placed all around the environment of it and he started getting chickens with the duck bill on it. And vice versa, chickens would come out of it with webbed feet like ducks

1:19:14 So, very interesting stuff like that. And if this is all fake then man it really fooled me but there were two doctors and I'm forgetting their names the scientists in Germany that also found that if you put seeds and several different kinds of seeds—I think one was a fern seed or wood fern seed, the other was corn, and the other was rainbow trout eggs under electrostatic Frequencies that are the same that you would get before a thunderstorm and they also exist between cells inside the body but ramped up 10,000 times if you let seeds sit in that electrostatic energy for about a day then you plant them.

1:19:54 you will actually regress the genes back to sometimes extinct species. So for corn, it turned back into corn that can grow four to five ears on one node whereas now you only get one corn cob per node. Extinct species wood fern as well they found that the wood fern its phenotype grew as a 150 million year old extinct wood fern. The same thing with the rainbow trout, and the rainbow trout was interesting because now this is not just a plant you're talking about a living creature they took eggs they put it in the electrostatic chamber and out come these more robust rainbow trout their bigger, their jawline is broader And the beauty of it was that did not need antibiotics like the other rainbow trout in their factory farms

1:20:44 So, they mysteriously died not too long afterwards. I think both in a car accident or something like that but they both died at the same time and they worked for a pharmaceutical company maybe pharmaceutical is not right but they definitely worked on antibiotics and so there's a lot of questions that are raised there And that to me is the latest thing that really got my gears going because it has to do with technology But it's like things that you can do to genetics so that made me wonder like whoa if you can regress genes Just by putting the egg or the seed in electrostatic field

1:21:21 What could we do to humans? What could we do to other species, could we bring species back you know so this isn't all just conspiracy They're out to kill us. I'm also curious like are we about to see Jurassic Park Right are we about to see things that you couldn't have imagined because as Arthur C Clarke says Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And I have to say that, it's only sufficiently advanced to the conceptual container of humans It doesn't mean it can't exist, it just means we don't know how to conceive of it so we call it ridiculous. Like oh that's just hocus pocus Right and you believe you understand how the world works like most people We don't fully even have a grasp over who we are How we operate What our emotions do to our thinking in our intellect

1:22:15 We don't have a grasp on those things. So tell me that we, the average person you have a five minute conversation with them and they can... Oh! We would've heard about it if that technology exists like I don't think you would have sorry You know so that's the latest thing that really got my gears turning is that there something likely. Happening on planet earth right now and we are seeing it but were being told a different story so were seeing in our minds i something completely different I really do think this is not about COVID, it's not. I mean, COVID is the PR forward facing explanation as to why we're going to move from shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism which is all part of the great reset

1:23:03 I think this is just the excuse to slam on the brakes of the economy, get rid of a bunch of independently owned ma and pa types of businesses and really weed out the middle class so it goes back to the peasants in the elite. I don't think that because I'm smoking weed in my grandma's basement. I'm thinking that because as I see all these things that I was believing nine to 10 years ago The container of it coming to fruition might be a little bit different. I had no idea there would be a pandemic, I didn't see that one coming but as the pandemic as an excuse, I'm seeing agenda 21 come to fruition. I even went on Tim Pool's podcast and we went on the after hours part of the show where we can talk about conspiracy And even he was like, I don't know man, I don't know if we resolve this? And i'm like yeah, I think thats because you have a normalization bias

1:23:59 because you're very well researched, but the thing is everything that I laid out about Agenda 21 and the intent is coming to fruition right now. And if you look at Agenda 21, the whole idea of it is to pack people inside what are called smart cities. Back then, I didn't know what a smart city was back in esoteric agenda days. Nowadays, I realize that a smart city is a device. You're living inside the device. It can trace and track you in ways that you don't need your phone on you. You don't need a camera around you because there's more than a billion cameras in China, in some spots of Wuhan I think and this was put out by Robert Spalding, you can walk out the door and say Uber! And there is enough cameras and microphones to identify you send an uber your way and if you think about this like where are we headed with this? So agenda 21 was pack everybody into these mega cities called smart cities

1:24:57 So you can track their movements and then leave most of terra firma, most of the earth. You leave it so nature can bounce back. Why? Because we pesky humans have destroyed the balance of nature and Rockefeller reports coming out of 2010 share all these stories of this beautiful little girl prancing around in in the forest and comes across this beautiful pristine crystal clear River wants to dip her toe in but stops and remembers that humans destroy nature Right? So there's these ideas that are being put forth, these stories that are being put forth that we're destroying nature. When 99% of the people are just following the orders a different class and so it's not me that logging hectare after hector at the Amazon is not need as going in pumping oil out of the Gulf is not mean you better doing that. So the whole idea of agenda 21 is pack people into mega cities let the rest of nature bounce back

1:25:55 If you're going to do that without people revolting, you need to give a different forward-facing story. pandemic, invisible thing. You know like we don't know how to test for it you might get sick but you might not be sick but you're still probably carrying it get tested, get tested, get tested." How? PCR tests what could that possibly be uh we could be harvesting everyone's genetics but we don't want to tell them that because they would get a little suspicious so let's just whatever I'm not saying that there isn't COVID going around I'm not saying that at all what I am saying is How convenient that we're now hearing like, you know six seven months ago. What is it gain-of-function research and lab leak? Just the territory of kooky conspiracy theorists now Oh well You know maybe we do have to ask some of these questions That's kind of the world that we're living in so I do believe that with Blackrock I don't know if you know this and I don't want to go super tangential but like

1:26:50 BlackRock and big firms like Vanguard are able to buy up apartments and housing after the 20, I think it started in 2011 or 2012. It was after the housing bubble which i think was an excuse and a trigger to set us into this black swan event that we're dealing with right now. And beforehand big investment firms weren't able to go around and buy up housing and affordable housing But if you look at what they're doing, they're buying up a lot of what will become smart houses and smart affordable housing in apartments. If you look deeper into that, that basically means

1:27:27 It's a smart house that how do you get into the house? You could be locked out of your own house remotely if you're not tokenizing yourself and utilizing the technology well enough. And all of our currency and everything that we use, all the value that we have is now inside your phone connected to some cloud and eventually could become vaporware and you could be geo-fenced inside your own house Meaning, there's no literal fence around your house. But if you try and leave your house and purchase things or get an Uber or whatever Your money is no good there Why? Because it's all connected to the cloud To me that is agenda 21 but people aren't seeing it as such So either I've got my head up my ass Or a lot of people don't want to see what's actively happening right in front of them They're happier with the feeling of comfort than they are with the feeling of truth

1:28:19 Yeah, yeah. Hell of a rant man I like it and interesting points about the PCR maybe? I don't know if you've seen that movie Us but it seems like maybe eventually we're gonna meet our evil twins face to face spoiler alert for those who haven't seen it. man yeah they could definitely be up to something i just don't think they do these big global campaigns like it's not an accident that there injecting something into everyone and with tim pool when i try to reverse engineer why smart people don't see these things that we entertain its just comes down to trust

1:28:56 They just don't think that they're up to no good at the top layers. And I don't understand why, because every previous round of history it's very clear but in the moment people just acquiesce and assume that Maybe it's fear maybe it's just panic and there is nowhere else to look but they appeal to authority and they're just like yeah I know that the media has lied me every other time, i know that pharmaceutical companies have screwed us over many other times in that fires are as face the biggest fines. In corporate history and johnson & johnson Pfizer are both responsible largely for the opioid crisis that's killed so many people but they're also saving us with the vaccine is just. Silliness but just man to go back to,

1:29:46 The earlier stuff you were talking about, you're way more eloquent than I am. But i'm also interested in this field of what we might call esoteric biological sciences these things that kind of point to the holographic nature of the material plane and there's these relationships between frequency and light and DNA and water It is very strange and I have speculated why does the Vatican or did the Vatican have one of the most powerful telescopes on the planet? Why do they have such a dedication to science although it's not advertised usually things are framed as religion or science but yet they had the telescope.

1:30:32 I wonder like are they capturing light from distant parts of the cosmos and then analyzing that light for dna or things like that cuz it seems like white can be a container for DNA. Like it can store information yeah so, You know you're off to the races at that point the speculative races like you mentioned possibly seeding human dna and other places of the cosmos yeah i don't need a giant dick shaped rocket with jeff bezos on there. You don't help but you don't need it right right i mean all hands on deck or trying dog,

1:31:10 get our seat out into space. But yeah, there could really be something to that and I think there's a lot of healing properties to that even on a base level it's like why does red light therapy work? That's odd we don't use it very much but it does work and then we have covered this realm on the show before it was actually this listener who goes by the moniker of Shaman Janir who brought it to my attention initially using these kind of technologies, light and frequency to take a person's mangled thumb like something that just looks like it's been destroyed with a meat cleaver and then regrow it in that salamander way. And there is stuff going on like that! It's so suppressed A lot of people want to talk about Tesla technology and how he could use the ether to light up the town and World's Fair kinda stuff Yeah

1:32:08 And that's easier to talk about but there is something to these esoteric biological sciences i've seen too many examples of it. But all the people i would want an interview about it are already dead i can't find like, The cutting edge aspects of it. Maybe I need to dig in deeper to the Solari report. I am a subscriber, but it's just there so many things on the plate. It's hard to even sample everything. regrowing a thumb They've been doing this as well with kids fingers, and it seems like kids can do it easier now I mean you could say that's for a number of different reasons like they're younger They heal they bounce back from illness or injury quicker than adults But there are some recent people. You might want to get in touch with a

1:33:03 John Chavez he wrote questions for the lion tamer. He's just an independent researcher He's absolutely incredible, but he was the one who showed me that there are more recent experiments with I think it was like making double-headed nematodes. On each side of the nematode is a head, and it's alive. It's strange but it's alive and this does get into Rupert Sheldrake's morphogenetic field or morphic resonance which means that there's an energetic blueprint around us And if a salamander loses its tail The blueprint is still there and as long as nothing is there to keep it from growing back

1:33:43 Like sewing it up that'll keep it from growing back or cauterizing. It keep it from growing back These are things that our medical industry does in spades Then if you treat it with I mean various herbs and stuff like that to keep it from getting infected It does start to grow back a little bit So I'll try and think of some, and off air maybe send you some names of people that you could interview. But that's one of them. And two there is also Iona and Alan Miller. They've been around for a while but they basically through all their experiments...I think they were the ones responsible for the Phantom DNA experiment? If you don't remember I mentioned that in Esoteric Agenda but the Phantom DNA experiment

1:34:32 You put DNA into a vacuum tube and then you shoot a laser, meaning you put photons into that tube. As they enter the tube they don't just go random everywhere They actually align to the helical structure of the DNA And then they moved everything out of that room and then analyzed the empty room... ...and noticed those photons were still hovering in that same exact spot So what that means is the photons were still there and Ulrika Granocher said this could last up to a month. And possibly even longer so imagine when people like their grandma dies in their home, and then even though the body's taken they're like I still feel her here...I still feel her

1:35:16 And what they mention in Iona and Alan Miller's work, and I found this out of DNA and the Pirates of the Sacred Spiral by Dr. Leonard Horowitz where he is talking about them, and his shows that their work showed that in DNA there are micro wormholes. The only explanation for those wormholes are They are drawing information into the DNA from outside space-time. Outside of that exact location that you are, your DNA through these micro wormholes which is everywhere throughout your body drawing in information that is not local it is nonlocal

1:35:54 And just that, I think most people they don't know what to do with that information. They're like oh that's weird you know these little wormholes okay what can i do with that? But then when I hear that ancients like down in Peru there is that stargate which some people say was a stargate carved into this rock and then there are other stargates like in Egypt and potentially more that we just haven't discovered or haven't realized what they are yet, could be places that simply allow you to enter into a kind of frequency where you are more in contact with what those wormholes—or black holes because there's a slight difference between those two—inside your DNA. What they can do for you so maybe your body stays here on terra firma but it's easier for you to potentially astrally project

1:36:47 Into the cosmos the Cree and the Ojibwe have these legends and lore of star people coming down And mind you they're up around like Great Lakes area of Canada and up a little north of there They have these stories of star people coming down and not just interbreeding with ancestors, and being much larger in stature than them. But also giving them blueprints and maps so the blueprints are to help them understand how to travel the cosmos And the maps are of the cosmos So they know how to get back strangely enough and this is Cree and Ojibwa lore So this isn't New Age This comes from

1:37:26 long-standing traditions that also have Denisovan DNA. And I'm not going to piece this all together, but if the listeners want to go into it look back into my Denisovan Waking Infinity News about the Denisovans, the Korean, the Ojibwa and many Native Americans that have Denisovan DNA. Denisovans come from the Altai Mountains they were a cousin to Homo sapien and Neanderthal but they died out we don't have many remains of them but we know that they could deal with high altitude Hypoxia and cold weather a lot better than we could, and their DNA according to Andrew Collins is let's say

1:38:05 It has features inside of it that we only see in autism. And so they were very isolated, potentially very isolated and kept to themselves but when the Grand Medicine Society of the Cree could not figure out something that their shaman needed to figure out they would go to the Jessaked which were this other part of their tribe but stayed very remote from them and they would go there and they were much larger in stature And this Jessica would solve the problems for them and they had the power of the Thunderbird. The Thunderbird is replete throughout Native American lore as being these sky beings that have come down and they brought with them many things but also a lot of information about what seeded this planet, and what our true origins are so there's so much to the story

1:38:56 What's funny is like I need somebody like you to go into a topic to even spark the memory of things that i've researched. But it's really beautiful that some of the research is still out there, but I really fear we're moving into a society where a lot of what I've been talking about You are not going be able find anymore Let me just ask you a question Around the time of esoteric agenda 2008 2009 you could go online and you could pretty much google anything Anything, you wanted to know it was closer to the dark web. You could find all the conspiracy Wanted now you go on Google It feels like a small sliver of a fraction Of what used to be able to find and it all seems

1:39:41 gimmicked out, it all seems very curated. Like Google curated this This is what they want you to know so you can find anything on Google that Google wants you to know That's what I'm starting to notice about this is back then. I could research, I started buying books in spades because i'm worried that the biggest book burning Is really just nobody reads anymore other than what they can find online Right great points and why is Amazon's ebook reader called the Kindle? Good point! I think that it so interesting the word play that happens but

1:40:16 But yeah, when you go back to the ancient world and you reexamine it through the lens of these esoteric sciences. You can see how... I don't want to say low tech, but it's non mechanical. And so then it opens the doors to like how indigenous tribes could do very epic magical things like levitating stones by getting the right frequency or astral travel opening portals there seems to be a lot of epic stuff that you can do with just nature and frequency and light and water, that we just have no concept of. We think it has to be technical. We think the smartphone is the best thing that's ever been developed in how many of those things could be done with a well-developed culture that has studied this stuff for a long time? Could you talk to someone on the other side of the planet without a device? I think he could, and the battery never does. It's so interesting. And I agree with you about the early Internet

1:41:19 Now I think it's just corporate is the best way to describe what we see. Yeah, it's just like... Well, it's funny because you go back to the days of AOL when AOL controlled basically the whole internet and you just go to these little channels these tabs within AOL It's like gotten back to that because when we got away from AOL The floodgates were open And it's really not that bad of a thing Because I am haunted by some of this stuff I looked up when I was 14 years old and I can still see In my head, the gore and the crazy stuff. If you wanted to see what is a motorcycle accident really look like on the highway? Yeah, you could find it really easy and I don't know that kids should have that kind of access but my morbid curiosity definitely has burned in some pretty nasty images to my mind but

1:42:07 It was all so new and fresh, and everything had been so sanitized through the conventional channels that it was very exciting and provocative to be able to even explore really dark things. And yeah not necessarily the best thing but it's a double-edged sword there were a lot of great things about that too in being able to research certain topics and hear from counterculture voices that I just was not getting in suburban Missouri Yeah, I mean i'm very thankful for those early days but it's all corporate now and with all this talk about the metaverse and web 3.0 there seems to be a real struggle to try to recapture that. I don't know if we have as many weapons in our arsenal as the big machine does but there are a lot of people in the crypto world and the NFT space that are

1:43:01 Having this conversation, they're like look we lost Web 2.0 We know that and let's build back better in a sense and make sure we don't lose the next phase But then you have Facebook changing their name to meta And it's like now no we own everything You're not getting away from this because now we just co-opted it already but It's also a weird thing because who is asking for? There's not a lot of people asking for 5G and the Metaverse My phone works fine my internet is speedy enough So things are driven not by the free market, in this case it seems but from some hidden place. Don't you think? Absolutely and I feel like it's...I don't know It is the most rewarding thing to do to look into it To look for what is that hidden hand

1:43:53 Here's where I feel like, I do get lumped into a lot of other people in the conspiracy realm is A lot of people that I know like bless their hearts but they are out for blood and it totally makes sense. I completely get it because when you feel like everything you've ever been told as a lie and Everything about the medical industry is not here to make you healthy everything about the educational industry which isn't industry Is not here to educate you I could go on and on and on about that but i'm not out for blood. I am looking for deeper meaning as to why i'm really here thats what i want more people feel, when you take a look at what.

1:44:40 Facebook turning into meta really means like the Metaverse is Agenda 21. That is the last bastion of what needs to be built, so you're right I'm not asking for 5G it's speedy enough for me but It's not speedy enough for The Sentient World simulation They need all the smart dust that's now literally in roads in Denver or what I have heard through Allison McDowell and researching it myself Smart dust in the roads in Denver which was talked about back in 2000 there are smart devices everywhere.

1:45:18 I can walk down the road and I am surrounded by hundreds of cameras, and not just ones on light poles. And now the light poles are smart. The garbage cans outside are smart. Everything is turning into some kind of a smart device. It's not that I'm always worried that people are spying on me. I'm really not worried about it. I know it for a fact! That's what big data truly is. When did big data become bigger than Big Oil? Was like 2015 or 2016 or something like that Right now you are seen through a one-way mirror. It's not like we get to see who gets this data and to what end So that's a big part of it, but the whole metaverse thing

1:45:59 If you look at what they're espousing and what you gotta wear on your head, and the fact that evolution... if evolution is a thing didn't prepare us to stare at something less than two inches from our eyes all the time. Right? Or even a hand's distance away which is where my screen is now Usually, we're looking at the distance. We're staring out into the stars our eyes are meant to be worked in different ways and that's changing rapidly changing and then not only that not web 3 but internet 2.0 which is the Internet that you will live inside it comes into the room why because You either injected

1:46:40 a Mojo Vision ocular implants inside you or you're wearing the heads up display, whatever it might be. Why go to Yellowstone? It's dirty and animal could kill you. You could get hit by old faithful just stay in your home and you can walk straight up to all faithful with no danger whatsoever. And if you want to go to the store why go out and expend all the calories when you can just Snap your finger or say take me to target and then bam you're in the virtual metaverse of Target And you can zoom to whatever you want You click it and guess what? An Amazon drone will drop it at your door Or let's say, you're in the Amazon verse not target But they are all inbred

1:47:21 And then it drops it on your front door. Predictive shipping is what Amazon is looking at doing to where like eventually if Amazon realizes you always buy milk at this frequency, but you haven't done it It's just gonna send it to you and if you send it back But only roughly 10% of people return those items they still make a profit so like It's just an interesting world that we're living in and I'm not looking for people to lynch. I'm not looking for people to blame or hate, I just want people to wake up because I kind of feel like inherently in the waking-up You're gonna find what that epiphenomena solution truly is and I think it takes critical mass. So now, i'm really interested in what's happening In the world right now there's a lot of people seemingly waking up to institutions that they somewhat trusted before but now they're like wait a minute something's really weird I do feel that people are waking up but as they're waking up It's almost like

1:48:21 And this is something that was in the book, The Fourth Turning about these crisis periods that happen every 80 to 90 years. Is that every single time you go into one of these crisis periods everybody is driven back into the political game So back when I was making films everyone's like You know what? The left wing right wing of politics same bird It's just the same thing and I'm tired of it Ninety percent of those people That I've met Are right back into it there either on the left side yelling about the right or other on the right side yelling about the left and I'm like wait a minute at what point. Did you just drop that concept that the whole thing is kind of read and i won't go into specific names but you know like,

1:49:08 When Donald Trump seems to be the savior, but he's also showing up at the World Economic Forums And I'm not saying that if you show up a World Economic Forums You're instantly apart of the plot. What I am saying is that they are so interconnected and I guarantee That what we are experiencing is just the theater It's the forward facing PR plan To get us to follow along with something that If we knew the real scoop We wouldn't be going along with it But we have to. Why? Because global domination is upon us I mean, i'm gonna take us back to what I just said before there's a one world religion compound slated to open probably in the middle east between catholicism and Islam A one world religion

1:49:55 What were we talking about back when esoteric agenda came out with and everyone was like ooh that sounds spooky It's the one world religion and remember when I said about Werner von Braun talking about the alien invasion One thing he said actually it might have been Serge Monast from Project Blue Beam Who is talking about? One of the big things about this false alien invasion would be that there would be a one-world Religion, that would come out of it And so I believe that the Iron Mountain report that came out in the 1960s, that was like you know what? War is not an excuse enough. It is not the primary way we are going to get everybody under one system So the climate would be it

1:50:39 Do believe something's happening with the climate. I just don't believe that the story We're getting from it and the solutions that we're getting from it are coming from a trustworthy place And with that the whole idea of now, we're talking about UFOs and UAPS and what does it all mean? Oh, I don't know but like Fox News and CNN they're reporting on it So if there is something legit about that and this one world religion, these buildings are slated to be open next year. What does this all mean? It means that all these things that David Icke and Alex Jones and Michael DeSarion were talking about 15-20 years ago are coming to fruition but even the people who had heard about it back then are still like yeah but it seems kind of normal now! It seemed weird back in 2008 but its kinda normal now like whoa that really just means you went back to sleep

1:51:29 You know, it's like you were out of the Matrix but you just were a pill popper and you popped the blue pill and went straight back. I don't know I don't know. That's my thoughts." Yeah, a lot of good stuff there! I totally agree that the journey through conspiracy... It first gets you angry and hear about all this stuff on how we've been screwed And then you're like well How do we win? and it's like well There's the flaw You have to graduate from the idea that We will win at-that sounds like a downer thing but Empire and Capstone Cabals and Puppet Masters They've been a constant in the human story, and obviously power fills any vacuum that you're going to make. So are you really going to end it? I don't think so." And I really like thinking about kind of the value of esoteric agenda to me was here's all these corporate symbols that have all this esoteric potency to them and what's really going on.

1:52:26 These are the things that they've weaponized against us. Perception, symbols, the subconscious frequency energy, the power of manifestation like these are real principles of our natural world that have been hidden from us and then used against us so then I try to reel back well what are the elites' real beliefs? Like if we really got to sit down and hear what The Queen thinks reality really is. I mean, what would she say? Like, I kind of am fascinated by what seems to be a secret religion at that top level and obviously the one world religion they're crafting for us is going to be just another container. It seems like it's gonna be scientism. It seems like you can reverse engineer atheism as a road that got us to worshipping at the altar of science but I even think back to something that's in Chimatica where

1:53:19 You talk about the cabal network in the pre-Christian era capturing and co-opting various cults that it came across. we could call them power centers, so to speak. But they merged the lunar cults who were worshiping Isis, the Saturnian cults of the Phoenicians who worshipped El and the solar cults worshipping Ra and they formed Israel." And that was a real mind blower when I was 22 man! It just seems like you could almost say that was the first attempt at a one world her modulus religion like let's get all the beliefs and then control them and get everybody who wants to.

1:53:57 take any brand of it they like, and they're still going to be giving us their energy. And maybe the One World Religion is something similar." I always wonder what's the real quote-unquote God that the Vatican worships? Because it doesn't seem like anything of love and light to me. It seems like they're capturing a ton of energy for something very dark. The whole Ritual is about blood sacrifice and cannibalism. And then look at what the Vatican is hiding, you know? What the top priests are doing in that regard... It gets pretty nasty! And so if they truly believed in the God that they tell us about well, they'd know they're all going to hell So they don't believe that That's a story for the masses There's something really weird about

1:54:46 what the elite truly believe and i think it might be something to the effect of some powerful demonic energies that they've made a faustian pact with, and they potentially reincarnate in the same families in the same bloodlines and they keep the game going and they make this exchange for. reincarnation on the material plane, never getting to that next level in exchange for running the game for Dark Forces. It gets really strange but I would just love to pick the brain of The Elite and figure out really in an honest way what they truly believe and what they've hidden but obviously we'll never get to that. And that is why the show goes on, but before we run out of time I know i just probably threw a lot at you but I wanted to fold in psychedelics a bit because you've made a few films with that theme and I'm curious if you feel

1:55:39 like I do in that, I've had very powerful life-changing experiences with entheogens. But we both also know the dark history of MKUltra and trying to harness these compounds to crack open the mind some of those projects get really weird as if they were trying to contact beings through the portal of some poor schmuck's fractured consciousness it seems really clear to anyone with experience that these compounds DO open you up to sensing other beings of some kind. I don't know if we would call them aliens as if they have some body on some other planet or if they're just spiritual entities and really what difference does it make? But you definitely can communicate with something non-human and intelligent when you take these substances,

1:56:25 That said, I worry about this uptick in university studies and semi-official endorsement. It's like, I don't want them to be illegal because they've obviously kept tools from us for engaging with life but at the same time, I don't really trust these university scientists and the way this is going. Could we be dealing with a sort of MKUltra revival that shouldn't be welcomed so wholeheartedly? I mean that's a really good point When you look at fire, is fire good or is it bad? Well I mean it depends on how its approached. You can heat a home with it you can destroy a home with it Same thing with psychedelics like anything with a lot of power... ...you're gonna hear both sides. You're gonna hear people saying It introduced me to God and others saying No that was the devil and this blasphemous And it's just fracturing your psyche and all of that has an element of truth Like psychedelics can mess you up

1:57:22 Think back to right now, everyone's talking about MDMA. It's so great it gets rid of PTSD and blah blah blah. No no no it can if done correctly and correctly is with the set in setting And this all comes back to the placebo effect by the way The pharmaceutical company's number one competitor Is your consciousness? Its the placebo effect That's the one thing they need to beat every single time they bring something to market And we're all like, oh my God Cialis is so great. We have all these ideas of pharmaceuticals that are so incredible and were like applauding science when it's like wait a minute why did we just pass over the placebo effect? No one's talking about how incredible it is that you can eat sugar and get the same exact effect as a drug that you're trying to make do the same thing. And guess what sometimes the drug doesn't even do as good of a job

1:58:14 As the placebo effect so that's number one and you know as what you were saying before. these ancient cults being repurposed. If you think about it, religion is not something you can do away with and I have a different explanation for religion. Religare is the root word in Latin and means to bind its refined word religio means reverence or bond It means what you commit to as part of magic really major religions are sanctioned magic their magic sanctioned by authority so Without going to off the rails with that when you start conditioning a people which is installing a program for them to.

1:58:57 Okay, we need to get out of all this religious thinking because look at all the terror it brought to the world in The past science is the only good thing so what do you? Do what do you do with those aspects of consciousness that come back up as religion You call it psychology. You give it a different field no No It's still science and yes I actually believe that's right it is still science you know there is a science but Science philosophy religion and art I believe are four pillars to consciousness they are Aspects in which your consciousness can operate. And the reason why they're called the four pillars of society is because you can go back to any civilization as far back as time will take you or across the globe, as it'll take you... Or plane whatever you want to call it and you will find

1:59:42 science, philosophy religion and art. And not everyone in those societies or civilizations believe in all four Not everyone are steeped into religion of the time But if you think what people gonna be saying about us a thousand years from now Yeah they worship this thing called Google They got all their information from the God Google You know I mean like We're looking back in time saying like look at these primitive people believing in these silly silly things no it's science I wonder why they didn't know what back then. I think they did know what back Then and I think they knew it on a level different than us and part of that is twofold psychedelics

2:00:19 were instrumental in just about if not all religions that exist today from the eastern to the western, all religions and many of the just philosophies like you would say Confucianism I didn't find much in the form of drug taking there but Buddhism. There's a great book by Michael Crowley Secret Drugs of Buddhism In Hinduism with Soma You had the Hay-Oma of the Persian cults It goes on and on and on so psychedelics were what you would call not just the medicine back then, because today when you say medicine You're really talking about a pharmaceutical and when you're talking about healing somebody with plants. You're like oh well that's either pseudoscience or it's non-FDA approved supplementation and we can't say whether that works or not but psychedelics are replete throughout our history And it was only during you know the Inquisitions the Crusades of

2:01:14 And the colonization of the rest of the world that was really more localist. They were living in their own government, in their own governing little tribes and chiefdoms And what did we do? We went and we exterminated as many of the shamans and the witches, as we could. Well who were the shamans in the witches not only were they the ones that were able to walk between the worlds of this kind of three-dimensional world and the other world that we're still calling just pseudoscience and meeting these beings and coming back with information that the 3D World can't really explain that much

2:01:52 But they were the ones that worked with plants and that's not the only way they would get into altered states They would also tremor and shake they would light Incense, and they would smell that and it would dim the lights and have candles or yeah They would dim the lights what I'm they would wait till nighttime And they would put candles on they dance around the fire. They would use theater. They would have masks they would have drumming all these things that alter your state of consciousness is And that's what they would call the linchpin of their societies. I was just looking up the seven rights of... the Lakota and the white buffalo calf woman said like there are certain ceremonies that you can stand to lose but if you lose this one called the keeping of the souls your entire nation will die. That was part of their prophecies, and so what did the American after wounded knee? What did they do they made that the one ceremony that was illegal punishable I think by death was the keeping of the souls

2:02:51 Once they found out that that was the one thing that their prophecy said would keep their nation alive That was the one thing that was taken from them as far as ceremonial rights. So There's something interesting about the history of psychedelics and religion. And I think what happened today is, the religion is still here but our story pieces it together in a very fractured way One is... What was the book? Was it Brave New World or 1984 that had Soma in it Do you remember? I don't Okay well one of them had Soma Yeah And Soma is basically the drug that they will give you so you don't rebel against your servitude So if you think about it now

2:03:32 with MDMA and ketamine and all these psychedelics that are coming to market. Mind you, MAPS is really mainly They call them the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, but MDMA is not a psychedelic. It's not a classical serotonergic psychedelic nor is ketamine. You can kind of get into the same states with them but they're not psychedelics and as much as they do open their forum for plant medicines coming from nature and also from historical empirically Sound 10,000 year old containers indigenous containers of safety and efficacy Now we're taking it to Johns Hopkins and Imperial College London all which are a part of this technification Of the world with like tokenization and nudges and stuff along those lines And they're also looking at psychedelics. I believe what the overall agenda is if I can

2:04:30 be so blunt as to say it, is these psychedelics will be turned into things that your haptic suit will like if you want a gamify the rest of your life away then you can go into the metaverse. You can have a haptic suit and it will send vibrations to use so your body can feel it and then you can also take this pill or maybe in injection or insufflation, you'd snuff it or whatever and you will have this kind of ketamine MDMA euphoria while you're inside the metaverse. And mind you, do you know what two-thirds of the internet has always been? Porn. Porn! Why? Because it's such a primal thing within us obviously it's going to be monetized It has been monetized and the metaverse is just the next step of doing that

2:05:21 Hedonism in a way and I'm not saying that all of it is hedonism. I'm actually not one that's saying all technology is bad I can see why we're headed in this direction But I also see that most people have blinders on and they only want to see what they can get out of it so, I think where psychedelics fall-in and all the new uptick and all the IPOs of people who do not care about psychedelic They've never taken it in their life. They don't care about the traditions that comes from they almost would be better and probably love to just cut the connection between psychedelics and any ancient wisdom so we can just make it, oh look at us a modern marvel of science when really everything has just been harvested from the giants that they stole it from

2:06:08 So when we're looking at this psychedelics I do feel is part of the grand conspiracy to get us connected to the metaverse together connected to these smart cities. and for us not to rebel against our servitude, and rebel against things that like wait you're gonna take 95% of the landmass and give it back to nature? And we're not going to be able to go there but who is allowed to go there are you gonna be doing the Hunger Games. We just won't know about it because The tech is so controlled that will never be able to see what's going on out there in You know the rest of the wilderness That's bouncing back with nature Is that where these chimeras

2:06:45 are going to be born and let loose in the world. And then there's gonna be a mass harvesting of humans, so most of us will not remember what the world was before and then all of a sudden we start again and there's all these new creatures? Is this how it goes? Because I've wondered! Most of us were left to wonder... So I do believe there is only one real religion, but if you can fracture it and if you can in a sense commodify the way people believe what they believe then you can turn religion into psychology. You can turn psychedelic and shamanism into modern pharmacology And you can make this wonderful like brand new world like heaven

2:07:27 that it takes up not a single square inch of terra firma. You're just inside your bedroom in a mega city and you have this headset on, a haptic suit that you're wearing and this pill that you get to take and its glorious That's kind of what I think has happened with religion We are drinking more and more Kool-Aid Wow man hell of a summary really like it. And I think Soma was brave new world, they just didn't want to interrupt your rant but great point about the chimeras maybe this has all happened before maybe cryptids and Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster what's left from the last crisper age? We're just gonna go into a new one making more human animal hybrids out in the woods for The Hunger Games

2:08:10 Either that or I'm smoking too much pot in my grandma's basement. Could never be, could never be there is not too much pot. Man just really excellent to talk to you i'm so glad we did this Finally, you know as we're coming to the end of the road I wanted to make sure we touched on another one of your latest works. It's a film called Awake in the Darkness and it focuses on Aubrey Marcus who a lot of people probably know as a friend of Rogan and he is partner in Onnett He was the first one I ever really heard break down an Amazonian ayahuasca retreat And for that I'm thankful Now this film of yours follows him through a darkness ritual ceremony in the Black Forest of Germany

2:08:50 Where he does several days in pitch black darkness and it does crazy things to the mind. I know we're running over, the joy of a podcast is that there really is no over just like can't take up a person's whole day but before we go this is one year latest works gotta tell people about it yeah man well i really do appreciate that yes this film is still I'm putting a little bit of work to it. We're going to the 2022 film festival market and I really appreciated it because yeah, it was about Aubrey Marcus going into a week long darkness retreat and what's very interesting about it was

2:09:31 I don't even think he put together the significance until i went and interviewed him of the timing because it was at the very end of January 2020 that he came out into darkness. And that was when he realized, That the world changes like you went into the darkness one world then he came out a week later and the world start going to lockdowns. Maybe a week later that he stepped down from on it I'm not sure but he was another one of those CEOs that stepped down and I mean, he's hip He's with it. I've had some of these conversations with him He just doesn't go balls to the wall with a lot of some of the things he believes He also finds it very fascinating to just explore consciousness And that's why I loved that he came to me for this film But we had 30 minutes to cover

2:10:20 In darkness, because he filmed himself before and he did audio recording during the darkness retreat. And then he filmed himself afterwards and I just did a couple more interviews... ...and put it all together but i had 30 minutes of darkness He recorded four hours. I whittled that down to thirty minutes. The very curious thing was how are you going cover as a filmmaker? How are you gonna cover thirty minutes of darkness? We did so with... We left it dark for a little bit. We really covered it with sound design because... ...a lot of people don't realize that sound design, I think is more important than the quality of the visuals and many filmmakers agree And then with that, I worked for three months on a part that has just one minute and 44 seconds If you remember that while watching it, you'll know when the moment comes about

2:11:14 What I liked about it was, it wasn't a film to try and prove to you a way of looking at the world. It was just a journey into the darkness with Aubrey Marcus but he speaks very philosophically He speaks about why am I so sad? Why is this stuff going on with me? And... You know, I don't want to give away the whole story but he's really wrestling with something that happened to his father years before Not even too long before But when he did his first ayahuasca ceremony His father started losing his mind as he was on this religious crusade to find God. And so, he goes into the darkness in a sense that kind of finds like what is this thing that my dad had and I'm on this kind of crusade not a crusade but a quest to find the deeper meanings of me and life and religion? He's really battling a lot of very interesting things inside himself and it's really beautiful to watch him go through that journey

2:12:11 I mean the film, i really appreciated making it and i know we're going to do more work but if you go to aubreymarcus.com You'll find it! I think its right on the home page and you can watch it It's free, you gotta give your email address over. But other than that it's free and you get to watch this film and see my latest work I'm really proud of it. I really loved working on the soundtrack and all the sound design The visuals... And I think its got a great message for people. If your not one who is listening still but if your not one for all these conversations we've had so far today

2:12:50 It doesn't get into that stuff. It really just kind of shows a human on a journey of self-discovery, which is really like at the core of all my work That's really all I want people to get more interested in is themselves Right on. Yeah, I enjoyed it quite a bit. It brings to mind just the lack of rites of passage and ceremony in our current culture that void is definitely affecting people's psyche every indigenous culture has something ever write a passage some kind of ceremonies and The absence of that I think is really bad for us and it's probably why we've responded so poorly to the injection of fear and everything that's gone on over the last two years.

2:13:34 Dude, couldn't have had a better time. We both have been in this world swimming in these waters for quite awhile so after a decade we definitely I'm glad we came together to talk about some pretty high level stuff and some pretty out there stuff and just a real cornucopia of conspiratorial topics just a lot of fun but you are the man! I am really going to remember this one best of luck out there I guess before we really go, tell them about any other irons in the Ben Joseph Stewart fire. What else you got happening that people should know about? Any links to leave him with? You do have a membership thing going on too. Yeah and the membership thing everything is over at benjosephstewart.com and that's S-T-E-W-A-R-T so benjosephstewart.com you can find out anything i'm up to for the most part throughout my film career i put all my films up online for free

2:14:29 And I still do like the majority of my waking infinity news is there in front of the paywall on YouTube. But, I have a membership section where people can subscribe Mainly because for one in this present day world I've come to realize that if you give everything away for free, but don't have a way for people to give back Then most of the time they won't but if you offer some of your stuff For people to be able to support then some people are more than willing To support like you'll get a lot of people just going the cheapest way they can But you will also get quite a few people that will pay

2:15:08 10 times that amount just to support because they can. And I think there's a lot of new models that are coming out like that, Charles Eisenstein and I he's making a page where the film that I did with him called In The Music Played The Band That's gonna be gift based meaning you can take it for free if you want but if you want to donate some go ahead and Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead did that maybe a decade ago for one of their albums and they realized that they usually sell albums for $10 And it averaged $7 an album. So, it wasn't that much of a correction But benjosephstuart.com is where to go to find me and what I'm working on now are better edited periodical basically mini-docs so they'll come out periodically They're more like thought pieces They'll probably come across more like my old films like Chi Matica and Esoteric Agenda but maybe only 15 20 minutes long and they'll come out periodical

2:16:05 On Ben Joseph Stewart dot com mainly because I feel what's going to be the biggest solution in the days to come is an art revolution and if you hear people saying. The revolution will not be televised i think that's not so true with there's collective art being worked on and i do think that web three. is part of that because it is this attempt to kind of decentralize and get those who, let's say if people were to have created Harry Potter on an NFT or something like that then whatever it does from that point forward is owned by the people who created it.

2:16:43 And the same thing goes for like you know if it's Facebook now it's Zion. If you look at Zion and I think Odyssey use this model those who own it are those who give their time and attention to it so... ...I'm excited to see where this goes but, I really want to see in art revolution More than going to benjosephstuart.com and supporting me, I want you to discover what it is You came here To gift the world with because we all came here with a gift And I think most of us We haven't spent the time to unravel or discover what that is Let alone know how we can serve the world with it and the worst thing you can do with your gift Is hold on to it and not share it

2:17:22 So I want to see an art revolution. And that's why all I'm doing from this point forward is making music, making film and collaborating with people who want to make bigger and bigger worldwide projects. Yes solid man! I got so excited almost forgot that we had that promotional stuff to throw in there but those were great words to leave people with it's been a wild ride it's only going to get wilder It seems but...I really enjoyed this keep up the great work you're one of the best Thank you. Thank you very much." And boom goes the dynamite! Yes, people! Ben Joseph Stewart bringing the heat I've been at this podcasting thing for a long time now and there aren't too many names left on the list of people who made the most impactful material for me when i was younger We've talked to Michael Tesarion and Jordan Maxwell and David Icke and even Jacque Fresco who I really liked at the time

2:18:20 But Esoteric Agenda really was one of those documentaries I considered to be top tier, and if you went back to the boring kiosk in a shitty rundown Missouri mall and said to me hey man it's gonna be all right. You're going to end up living in San Diego and carving out such a niche for yourself in this conspiracy community that the maker of this documentary is going to know who you are when you have them on your show Pfft, that reality would just seem so unobtainable. It really has been quite a ride So just keep plugging away at those dreams guys climb the ladder one rung at a time run the marathon One step at a time and put the pants on one leg at a time or something like that But not only is this a sort of full circle thread for me? it was also just a really good interview

2:19:12 Ben has certainly stayed up to date in conspiracy culture and he's great at summarizing and articulating many different sub-genres of conspiracy, let's say. Mud Flood, Hidden History, Antiquitech... But even just talking about the Codex Elementarius speech in Esoteric Agenda sure maybe it overestimated the deaths at this point But it is very much a spotlight on the establishment of the coordinated infrastructure that has allowed for something like the events of our day to happen. The interlocking cabals that rule food and medicine should be primary in anybody's study...of The Big Machine So I liked it alot! We talked about some practical stuff, talked about some really out there stuff A grab bag of conspiracy goodness if you ask me

2:20:02 And if you only heard the first hour, in the second hour we talked about what new information has been the most mind-blowing for Ben lately. Esoteric biology probably my favorite segment in a long time Light frequency water and DNA magic PCR DNA harvesting ancient stargates The past and future of the internet The Elite Secret Religion and the coming One World religion as well as the psychedelic revival in MKUltra. Sign up for PLUS if you're compelled to come over to the deep end of the pool at thehiresightchats.com, and thank you to those who already do! Ben is a thoughtful guy with compelling things to say about pretty much everything and anything that I could throw at him so it was just a good time overall

2:20:49 Such a good time that he actually invited me to be on his podcast next week, so add it to the unexpected life moment stack. Tune in if you might be interested to hear me on the other side of the mic! But in higher-side news I added new pre and post show plus pitches for The Free Show because I wanted to make sure we hyped up the seven day trial that is now standard And it's kind of just important because new people find the show all the time and I just like them to know how we're structured up front. And, the post-show pitch is great because i don't really like saying the same thing all the time in the wrap ups Sometimes I only say half of what I should and so if I can address some of the common questions and concerns I get about PLUS and just record a pitch that I think hits all the important points in a tight little package

2:21:41 then I can say a lot less about it in the wrap-ups in general. It's easier for me, it's less filler for Plus members and I get the right stuff said every time and if people don't want to hear those things they can skip ahead or join Plus and it all goes away I've just never used a post-show ad because it comes after the music, which is a little weird. But there's a lot of podcasts that i listen to where the music plays and if there's something else there, I hear that as well and I tend to let my experience be my guide And as for the next few events on the calendar at highersidemeetups.com, again this week in January 14th we have a second meetup for a group in New York City on the 15th We have West Yorkshire UK As well as Fort Worth Texas and then for the rest of the month of January I'm only seeing three more on there. I'd love to see ten more on there but what we have is

2:22:39 Denver on the 19th, Nashville on the 28th and also a tinfoil hat THC swarm crossover that was put on here in Long Beach on the 28th as well. So I did tell a lot of other podcasters hey go ahead and use the calendar! I think folks just want to find cool like-minded people around them so i'm sure Tin Foil Hat or Gramerica has a lot of mutual listeners Might as well tell your audience if you want to and they can make events. I'm totally fine with that So, I did put that out there to people and i'm gonna let this one go this time But in the future, I am going to remove anything that comes with a cost We are not plugging events here we're hosting free and open meetups so This is a tinfoil hat event And...I love Sam! I wish him well

2:23:35 But these sorts of things don't belong on the Meetup calendar because they're not free and they're not about finding the others. They are about coming to watch a performance, but let this one be what it is go see Sam at the event in Long Beach on the 28th. They're doing a shark tank type of thing where you pitch your conspiracies to the panel I think it'll be interesting I might even be there myself But in the future, these are supposed to be things made by listeners for listeners and no cost events. So that is important to me to keep that focus on in the future. These kind of things won't be there. With that said big thanks again to Ben I think even got an extra 15 minutes out of them for this one which was great because we needed to make up for some missing time and some others but he has done some great work and it was really fun to talk to him first hand

2:24:27 Thank you guys for listening. As always, take care out there! I've done my part Your move Esoteric Agenda Architects Capstone Cabals and Puppet Masters of the Power Pyramid Your fucking move This is important hear what i said I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia Not in my head it's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while I still can To ask you Cuz I know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed But you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit We're screwed Gonna tell us anyway It's a skit Okay Can't you see that we're so

2:25:54 You sit and wish but we don't have a choice It seems we're stuck here But you can find nose to drown out the noise Now use that alternate end up your magic game Listen to THC, you know Go with the eddies Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cu- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you okay

2:27:25 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary day Can't you see that