Etienne De La Boetie 2 | Mind Control America, The Statism Psyop, & The Art of Liberty

00:00 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan. There clearly may be something there beyond the realm of man, and until we've thoroughly tested every last close-chested view, the more we think we know without THC I would miss such as honey

00:52 It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people. From The Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and though we have it drilled into our heads from an early age that we live in the best nation that ever was, the land of the free blessed with God-given rights that make the rest of the world envious with an easy path towards sleepwalking our way through the American dream you still have to wonder is any of it really true? And how few even ever ask that question. Because when you take a look under the hood, what really makes this American hot rod run is a cold harsh engine of exploitation interlocking gears of cradle to grave cogs in allowed harsh machines spewing toxic sludge and leaving many exhausted beaten down individuals choking on fumes as it red lines its way to the scrap heap What is it all for? How pervasive is the propaganda in our lives that convinces us all not only to participate

01:39 but that we're actually lucky to be able to. Well, today we're talking once again to Etienne de la Boetie Squared he's the founder of the Art of Liberty Foundation and the editor of Art of Liberty Daily News The first time he was here We covered his highly visual book Government The Biggest Scam in History Exposed which breaks down how intergenerational organized crime families use central banking To rob and control the population using a technique called government with puppet politicians and monopoly media perpetuating the lie. Now he returns to talk about a new highly visual book titled To See The Cage Is To Leave It, 25 techniques that the few use to control the many which pulls back at the curtain on the subtle conditioning and manipulative mind-control techniques used to keep us all under the control of the nefarious few. Sounds good to me so let's get into it! The freedom fighting cage revealing big machine exposing sovereign individual NTN De La Boetie squared...

02:32 Welcome back. It is great to be with you again and with your audience, Greg. Yeah man I appreciate you sending me this care package of the new book and a 64 gigabyte liberator for people who can't see it it is a credit card shaped thumb drive you can actually pop out this side and it actually plugs into any computer I was little surprised that it fit into a USB slot myself But man, there is some really spicy things on here worth talking about from school shootings. I weren't even on my radar to Sandy hook to alternative energy devices and converting cars to run on alcohol and water and just all sorts of wild stuff that would be very handy in an apocalypse or just to remind yourself what the system really is

03:25 But let's also remind the people of why you do what you do. Before we dive into the new book and this liberator thing, talk to us about the main goals of The Art Of Liberty Foundation. Sure. So we're a startup voluntarious think tank and really our thesis is that government was never really intended to protect life liberty or property it's best thought of as a technique for robbing and controlling populations And it's always illegitimate because it's impossible to have a moral, legitimate logical government. We'll get into that in my presentation and little bit but our other thesis is that the government is being run as a criminal enterprise so it's a form of kind of tax slavery

04:11 where the people that are running the government are funneling trillions of dollars out the back door, and then they get away with it because they've created this monopoly media system and an algorithmic censorship of the internet that is controlling information that population receives across screens. And this theft is primarily through something called fractional reserve banking. And so the government legalizes a technique called fractional reserve banking, where the banks when you get a mortgage or when you get a car loan or your consumer loan or credit card they're not loaning you their money they're not loaning depositor money They are tickling the ivories and create dollars out of thin air

04:59 And that process is inflationary. So it's stealing the value out of everybody's dollars, that's why it costs more and more to buy the luxuries and the necessities of life. If you can imagine the analogy I use a lot as if I have $1 and you have $1 dear listener or viewer we have only two dollars in the world, I own 50% of the worlds wealth, you own 50% of the worlds wealth And then a bank or government comes along and creates two additional dollars through fractional reserve banking, or through quantitative easing, digital dollar creation, printing press, whatever it is. All of the sudden they've stolen 50% of the world's wealth and you and I have been reduced to 25% of the worlds wealth. So that's the essence of the scam?

05:46 And then there's a variety of other scams from buying overpriced weapon systems that we don't need to fight wars based on lies and manufactured intelligence or ethanol subsidies, mandatory vaccinations that are actually harmful for your kids. You know, whatever these scams are you know there's specific groups that are making billions to trillions of dollars through the government and it's being slid out the back door to these identifiable groups that are then paying to have the politicians elected funding the political process.

06:24 And they own the media, and then the media is never ever going to tell you that this is going on. They're never gonna explain to you the scam of fractional reserve banking and they're never ever going to tell you the kind of good news message of The Art of Liberty Foundation that we really don't need government, that everything the government does would be done better, faster and cheaper by the free market. By non-profits, by mutual aid societies, by armed protective services companies, by dispute resolution providers so everything the government does from armed protective services that they call police to you know dispute resolution that they call courts all of that could be done by the free market and everybody

07:08 would be dramatically, dramatically wealthier if the government wasn't stealing the value of everybody's money and the government wasn't waging a kind of economic warfare against them with the confiscatory taxation with property taxes. with the death taxes, with all of the hidden taxes on everything from every time you get a gallon of gasoline to a beer. If you're a smoker or pack cigarettes your telephone bill and your cable bill every time you get an airline ticket I can go on and there's gazillion hidden taxes but between overt taxes covert taxes in inflation they are stealing more than 50% of everybody's income

07:52 And we would all be crazy, crazy wealthier. Prices would actually be going down if we had honest money and an honest monetary system. Instead the prices are going up which is stealing the purchasing power out of people's dollars that they earn and save. That is the biggest secret that monopoly media will not tell the population Yes, that is a really great summary there. And I agree and it is more than 50% of our income because you do have to factor in all the sales tax you have to factor in as you say all those bills they haven't added tax. It really never ends and then just the taking of our money and giving it to other countries that are in the club without

08:37 really ever asking us, I know your recent sub stack was about that recent story of us now sending 40 billion to Argentina because we're bailing out. Basically one guy, one billionaire who made a bad bet on Argentina. But it's all being masked and it's like no one wants to do that everyone's already mad about sending so much money to Israel we're looking at the trillions of debt and they're talking out of both sides of their mouth because the government is saying well, we have to cut all these costs to deal with this crazy debt that were in well then let's start with the 40 billion that goes to Argentina why not start there?

09:16 On top of everything else. So it is really crazy, but I don't want to distract away from the fact that you have some slides to show us. I think the easiest way best way is to do a screen share through Riverside and we will talk about them All right, well here it comes. And we'll smooth this out in editing so that there's no dead air but... And Sue are you getting my slides? I am for me it's showing backwards but I don't think that's a huge deal. I'm just gonna roll and just kind of like take the audience through what you know my presentation but I guess the first thing that I would say is we call it at The Art of Liberty Foundation It's not a conspiracy theory

09:56 It's an organized crime theory, and the basics of organized crime theory I've already touched on. Government was never really designed to serve and protect. It's a technique of intergenerational organized crime to rob and control societies. We don't really need government. Monopoly media has been controlling the information that population receives to hide illegitimacy, illogic immorality, and criminality of the government since the 1700s in the United States. That's something that I break down in both Government, The Biggest Scam In History and then the new book To See The Cage Is to Leave It but also you know the third leg is the media or the academia and you know you're going to go to a mandatory government school where the government is going teach you that the government is legitimate desirable necessary before your old enough to really question that even if he went to private school

10:50 The private school has to teach the government's curriculum. Most people are going to go a state-run university, they're going to learn the exact same thing and really the biggest lie, the basis of the whole thing is this idea that it's possible to have a legitimate moral government I've got a little quote from Hitler if you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough It will be believed And so the idea is government is legitimate, desirable and necessary even though it's impossible to have a legitimate government. What I mean by that is...and I've got like just a little visualization you know if John told you that you had to obey him or that he would violate you that would be wrong If John claims because he and his friends are in the majority So if there's two of- You know if John comes to your door with three people and he says well there's three of us one of you

11:46 The three of us vote that you have to give us all your money, and that would be of course illegitimate. And so even if John and his friends are able to trick, indoctrinate, propagandize, and pay off enough people to vote for an institution to work on their behalf, and they all claim that he must obey its dictates or be punished it would still be wrong." That's still wrong! And so there's no magical additional person that makes that scam of two or three people voting to rob a single person moral and legitimate just because you hit, oh well we got 50 million people that are voting now or we've got 100 million people. So it's immoral, it's illogical at its core nobody can be bound by social contract the constitution they did not sign

12:36 So, if you didn't sign the Constitution yourself you're not really bound by it. And if I don't have the ability myself to steal your money and call it taxes or to make up rules for you myself and call it laws, then it is 100% impossible for me to delegate a right that I do not have myself to steal your money or make up rules for you to a government or representative to exercise on my behalf. And so government really has been the biggest scam in all of human history. And so they get away with it again through this... Let me ask you this, so you say it's morally and logically impossible to have a moral legitimate government. Voluntarism is the only political philosophy that is fair to everyone

13:27 I agree that it might be fair to everyone, but even in that system couldn't someone say, well, Hey, I was born into this and I didn't sign up for this. And I don't agree with voluntarism. I actually want to be more aggressive and I think I should get a bigger share of the pie. anyone can decide that and there have to be some form of checks and balances their i assume that the punishment in that case would be like well if thats your attitude then you arent in this system, can u be kind of excommunicated will there wouldn't be a system and so it is voluntary world you can have governance without government so you can have everything that you want out of government

14:07 And so, you know because everybody wants to be safe and secure in their own home and in their business. You can have armed protective services because that's a right you have yourself. You have the right to defend your life, your liberty and your property and so you can hire a company people do today and they provide companies like ADT and Garda and West Tech. They provide armed protective services today but the guy doesn't have rights that you don't have he can only exercise the rights you have on your behalf And so he can't come over to your house, you can't call him because somebody's breaking into your house and he gets there and sees that your neighbor is smoking a plant which isn't really a crime even though the government likes to pretend it's really a crime and arrest people for things that aren't really crimes.

14:56 So he wouldn't have the right to go over and arrest your neighbor for smoking a plant or for gambling or doing things that aren't really crimes. He would only be able to help you with your armed intruder, somebody that's threatening you, or the good things police do, when the police are actually catching bad people. Everybody loves the police. It's the fact that the police are violating people's natural law rights by arresting people for things that aren't really crimes which is why people hate and despise the police because the police are willing to set their morality aside and use violence on peaceful people for things that aren't really crimes that gets everybody mad at the

15:41 And so in a voluntarist world, you could have an armed protective service company. But if they're rude to you, you can fire them unlike the monopoly police today that can be rude and abusive and whatever. You have no say but if ADT comes to your house and the guy is rude or violent you know, something that is not cool. Well you can fire ADT tomorrow and you can hire Garda and they'll provide service in that world where there's not a monopoly. You know, ADT and Garda now competing in your city and in your town to who protects neighborhoods the most? Who gets the most restitution for their customers? And now you've got the market dynamic that everybody loves when it comes to restaurants

16:30 supermarkets and toy stores and hobby shops. Everybody wants that competitive market dynamic where you can go to different people, and the people have to please the customer. You don't have that under monopoly government. You have one size fits all. You have no choice—take it or leave it. And you get Social Security even if you want to invest in gold, even if you want to invest Bitcoin or whatever it is, it's tough. You're stuck with this is the retirement system and it's going to only pay you a tiny fraction of what you would have earned through private investment and doesn't matter because that's where it is and that's what we're gonna take

17:09 And by the way, it's a Ponzi scheme and it's actuarially impossible for it ever to pay out the things. We've all been hoodwinked by this organized crime system that has stolen all of our money and then blown it on weapon systems that we don't need and ethanol subsidies and a bunch of bullshit where they're stealing the money out door and the monopoly media isn't really telling us what's going on. But the core of all of that is it's impossible to have a legitimate government." I've been doing this for five or six years now. I have never, ever had anybody disagree with that. There's never been anybody that said hey you're wrong because of X! In a kind of logical train of thought it says the little example you gave with John and his friends is incorrect because of A B or C. Once you really think about it and once

18:08 government, you're like hey wow. You're right man it is a scam but people can't get their mind... Like a lot of people I'm sure we've got a very intelligent audience but like a lot of people they just can't wrap their mind around that they can't imagine everything that's taught in the schools everything that's taught in the colleges everything that is you know the system has built into it over decades and centuries has been a lie on its face But this is the core of the lie. This is the Hitler's big lie, this is the thing that gives government rights you don't have, this is the inherent unfairness of the system, this is illegitimate in the system unwrapped and laid bare naked for everybody to see it is impossible to have a moral logical legitimate government." Fair enough and I do not want to be the first one to break the trend of nobody disagreeing

19:04 And I don't argue that our government is moral or legitimate necessarily, but that word impossible. You know? That's a big one. Impossible is a big word and I feel like there could be a configuration in there somewhere, but I get what you're saying. Like society should be more like a collection of bespoke services that you opt in and out of whichever ones you want to your level of comfort rather than forced compliance. So yeah, I don't want to get hung up on definitions and semantics and you got this presentation sorry to derail you here's the next slide let's get into it.

19:39 No, no problem. So we'll get to that you can have governance without government and so like the HOA is an example like you can you can write it together with your neighbors and you can say hey we're you know we're going for you know protect all of our own property values were going to agree that were not going to paint our houses pink and that we're not going to have junk cars in our yards. You can have standards and things that are optional, but there's not a gun that says you can't leave. There's not a gun that says that you have to pay if the rules change in HOA. Actually, you could move. You're not being forced to participate in these rules other than the fact

20:20 you bought into the community, but you can sell your house and go somewhere where you can put junk cars in your house or paint your car pink. So you can have your house pink. You can't have governance without government, but you can't have government... And here's an example. What I do in the book is break it down with a lot of visualizations. The example that I use is Lysander Spooner who was a famous abolitionist and legal theorist, wrote one of the most famous books in American history. It's called No Treason The Constitution of No Authority and he wrote this book in 1870 and in 8,621 words and 70 to 126 pages depending on which edition you're reading

21:09 He breaks down in no uncertain terms the complete impossibility of the Constitution, the fact that it doesn't grant rights that you don't have yourself. You can't be bound by this social contract that you yourself did not sign, but the people who signed the Constitution they can be bound it. They can all agree that they're going to participate under the rules that they just created, but nobody else can really be bound by it." Now in the book what I do is a lot with memes and visualizations and so here's a meme for people who aren't looking at the presentation. It shows the signing of James Madison leaning over the table at one of the delegates of 1787 Philadelphia Convention and he says

21:53 sign right there where it says we give ourselves the power to make up rules and take the wealth of others. And right off the bat, in 21 words it makes... The Constitution just shows the ridiculousness of the idea. Well, of course you can't just write down on a piece of paper that you alone get to make up rules for everybody and steal the wealth of others but that's what they did. Then I have another one, I've got another meme as example and its the constitution condensed version and it's a napkin And on the napkin somebody scrawled, I have authority over you because it says so right here on this napkin. Give me your money and that's essentially what the constitution says and then what happened back in the 1700s is that they hijacked a convention, the famous Philadelphia Convention that was convened only to

22:48 amend the Articles of Confederation, and after over half the delegates wouldn't attend or left early or wouldn't sign at the end they produced an unauthorized replacement that became the Constitution. And that gave the government about the power to steal in tax and things like that. And then they said, OK we're going to have an election. And so then they trick and propagandize a bunch of people into participating at this time there are about three million people living on the continent in the colonies or about 3 million people across you know the 13 colonies and less than 1 percent

23:28 Less than 6% were eligible to vote, but less than 1% voted. So a very tiny majority of people are tricked into participating in this election and then newspapers go oh we have a new government! And they just begin pretending like it's valid and legitimate or controlling information that the people receive about the legitimacy of this. It's the bankers, they own the newspapers I break it down in government, the biggest scam in history. But like they're controlling the information and then most people they are like oh we've got a new government! They never ever thought about it and back then It was a monarchy you know? Like there's like... They thought monarchy was legitimate. They thought that divine right of kings is legitimate so Oh I guess the fact that we get to vote

24:13 It's better than just having a king. So like essentially the population was tricked into it and then they're keeping on running those memes are an example of how I design books because i know a lot of your audience intelligent people, they already know all this And so if you already know all this, I apologize. I did not write the book for you. I wrote the book for your friends, family neighbors And what I do is, I design these books to wake people up and shake them out of the kind of complacency. Of oh this is the way it is, this is the way it always has been... Well of course I'm not a free human being that lives on the planet—I am an American! No you're a free independent human being that lives on the planet You don't owe anybody any money or any allegiance by where you were born

25:02 And so the government is kind of tricking people into an artificial, they're creating an artificial tribe. They're using the fact that most people are tribal and they're creating, and they're giving people an artificial tribe using the media to propagandize them in thinking that if you live in Florida as you do Greg that you have something in common with somebody who lives in Alaska or Hawaii or Oklahoma. And they are trying to convince you like your real tribe is your friends, family it's your family number one then its neighborhood church those are your real real tribes

25:38 If you live in Florida, somebody that lives in the Pacific Northwest and Portlandia they're not really in your tribe. The government can and the monopoly media can try propagandizing you thinking that you're in a tribe where we are all in this together like no you're not! You're getting propagandaized and robbed But to get that across to people, I create these books that have a lot of visualizations and memes and expand the amount of people that will read books significantly versus a text-only book. And then I'm leveraging a lot of human beings' innate pattern recognition capabilities to expose historical patterns, monopolizations, repetition of propaganda techniques

26:26 I'm using visualizations to make what was invisible now visible using visualization. So an example that i'll get to is in a little bit, if you didn't know that there were six monopoly media companies on the old school media side, not the internet but like newspapers print television etc. If you did not know that there were only six companies running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries You may or may not believe me but if I show you an actual media ownership chart where you can see that News Corp doesn't just own Fox News But Newscorp owns 175 newspapers

27:07 And they own satellite companies. And they own movie studios, and they have movie production, and they have movie distribution in the television programming there and magazines like you can actually see all of that companies and subsidiaries rolled under that your life Holy crap, there's six companies running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries to give everybody the illusion that there are all these different media sources in society. But it is really a monopoly, it's really a cartel and all six are working together to censor certain information from ever reaching the public. And this is it! You're over like... you're over the target right now. This is the number one thing

27:46 that you will never see on the monopoly media. You're getting it right here, right now unfiltered raw that government has been a scam and you don't owe anybody any money but what you're doing and as we are about to get into they are running unethically manipulative techniques on the population that creates a cult. We'll get into that in a second, I'm just going to say the last thing about the book is seeing as believing presentations using visual aids are 43% more persuasive so if you want to wake up your friends and your family, you really do have to show them that media ownership chart. You really can be impactful with

28:28 with those Molotov memes that I just showed you. And ideas presented graphically are just easier to comprehend, they come so quick that you can just kind of flip through the book and you're going to understand what you're looking at versus it takes you twice as long to read... It takes about a quarter second for the human brain process and attach meaning to assemble But by comparison, it takes us an average of six seconds to read 20-25 words that describe the exact same thing. This is a different media ownership chart that's in the book... So let me stop in here just to say

29:05 Yeah, sorry. I do think we have a little bit of a delay, but great points. I just wanted to step in and say yeah, I've heard a little bit about that history that people don't really realize how few people actually voted for the infrastructure that has risen up all around us and it is something my dad used to say all the time. I don't know if the numbers are exactly right, but he would say you know, the largest group of people is the people who don't vote so you know But then 40% not voting for either party. And if those people could come together around an idea, which is a very tall order, then maybe some change would happen. But as you say, you don't make these books for the people who are awake and aware you make them for our friends and family and you hope to wake other people up? Well, I think that's what we're going after here in this conversation today

29:55 I agree with the sentiment. Obviously that's what this show is like, we're trying to get more people to see through the lies and acknowledge the truth on a whole host of subjects but let me ask you this so if you think about the American population or, you know, we shouldn't say American because that's part of the label propaganda but the people who live on this landmass If you think about them as a pie chart, you've got a certain percentage of people that are like us and like most listeners who know this stuff and are awake and aware. And then you've got another percentage of people, the section of the pie chart that are ignorant but

30:39 would become awake once they are presented with the information that you're presenting, that they haven't heard before. And then there's a third contingency of people who will not look at the information. It doesn't matter if you hand them the liberator plug it into their computer. They're not going to look at it. They don't want to confront Sandy hook. They don't want to confront nine 11 or any of this other information I'm just curious what percentages of the pie chart you put at these different categories because to me, the largest category is the number of people who won't even look at the information and I don't know how you can get through to them no matter how much stuff you present. So, Leonardo da Vinci said... Because we need those people right? We do need them to make a significant change Well maybe! We'll talk about that in a second but to answer your question first of all i just wanted to say you know Leonardo Da Vinci said that there are three classes men There are those who see when they're shown and they're those who do not see

31:42 And so that's essentially the dynamic that you just described. Yes, exactly now with respect to what's going on there is a huge psychological resistance called cognitive dissonance where the human brain refuses to accept new information that either conflicts with previously learned information or causes psychological pain And so that's really the dynamic that we're about to break down. The government has been running these unethically manipulative techniques on the population, that make the population look dumb and foolish for falling for the techniques

32:26 And now we're coming along and trying to say, hey there's been this monopoly media system and this monopoly academia system. Everything that they've taught you is wrong and everything that you taught your friends especially the people who are into patriotism and into the constitution and everything like that And they've reveled in explaining to their friends that if we just did the Constitution the way it was supposed to be, everything would be great. The problem isn't the Constitution. The Constitution's great! It's the fact that we won't abide by the Constitution. Well no, the Constitution didn't work work, the Constitution completely is an abject failure. It was not able to limit government in any way shape or form. We have the largest government ever so it was not able to restrain government at all and it was not able to protect even the basic natural law human rights that are outlined in the Bill of Rights

33:24 So, it doesn't protect rights. It doesn't limit government. It doesn't work at all and it's illegitimate on its face but there has been a lot of people that grew up their entire lives explaining the wonderfulness of the Constitution because they were tricked because all of the books and all of things they saw on television even today you know these controlled opposition voices that are being funded with studio environments and public relations teams, and tier one studios, and PR people, producers, things like that to where they're dominating the airwaves so you're only getting that viewpoint

34:09 And people are never ever exposed to the other side of the argument. This really is the biggest secret that is being kept from the population, and it's being kept from the population because it's being algorithmically censored on the internet. The people that are like me or being demonetized were being de-indexed we're being deplatformed were being shadow banned on platforms like Facebook and X. And I could tell you so many different examples of how we've had our content suppressed over the years, dozens and dozens of examples... We had a conference that would

34:49 allow us to, you know just like an academic conference where we had world class academics and authors and economists talking about how you can have everything you want from the government without government and the illegitimacy of government. And Facebook in Google ads would not allow us to, you know, to buy advertising for an academic conference. Like it's just a tiny like little example but again that's the thing oh do you want talk about anything more about that or you want me to roll? Well I definitely don't want to run out of time before we get through your slides but i just wanted to say like along those lines with this latest book and these 25 techniques I mean some of these things are more obvious than others

35:36 largely about just controlling what people are allowed to be exposed to. And it does start, as you say early with the kids, you know, you gotta hit them with the flag worship, the pledge of allegiance, the uniforms and then you go into the junior ROTC like I didn't even know it started that young and I think it's actually really disgusting that parents would condition their children to be soldiers from from like eight to 12 years old, like what the fuck are you doing? But anyway that's its own sickness. And then you go into the scouting programs and all that it's the uniforms and scouting always seemed like oh wilderness stuff. That's kind of nice survival skills. Yeah but that's under the surface what it really is more indoctrination into the rah-rah America system and a forced coercion as you say

36:29 into this collective and this pressure that's put on again, children to participate in this collective. And what I think is really interesting is when you start going into the anchoring, the term you use as anchoring of the flag, and this is where it kind of goes all across culture. The paid for flag worship woven into stadium events and sports, I did not know this you say that the organized crime system pays teams and the leagues as much as 53 million a year to add flag worship and military jet flyovers two important games to anchor the excitement and good times have been outdoor event

37:12 to the flag and the government overall. And you go into Hollywood which is something we've talked about before that in order to make certain films that involve the government or have military equipment you know before all the cgi if you wanted to make a movie that had the military and it they had to be the good guys are they wouldn't let use the tanks the jets and all that stuff it had to be basically. You know the tom cruise, rah, rah America stuff. But you even talk about Rocky and the American flag specifically placed in the scene that everybody knows

37:53 And just this, this notion that people are not allowed really to see films even where the government is the bad guy. There might be a rogue agent within the government. There might be someone co-opting in the government, but it's not the government's fault. And I just think that this anchoring of the flag is really interesting. Another example, Matt Damon escaping from Mars and the movie The Martian where the entire film builds to his escape from Mars and then immediately cuts to Earth, where people are. Ding, ding, ding waving American flags and mission control as a giant American flag on the wall. Going back to sports another thing that you say in the book that I did not know. Okay we want to get to the meat of the potatoes. We're going yeah, we're going to jump to the meat of it so all right here's okay this last example though i want to point out so in basketball i did not know that there is an american flag on the backboard of every NBA backboard and i didn't know there was an american flag on the back of the helmet

38:51 of every football player and that they are not allowed to remove that American flag. I wonder if Kendrick or what's that guy's name who did the kneeling? Did he try to do that? Has anybody have ever tried to say, I want to play in the NFL but I'd want to get this flag off here. I don't know if that fight has ever been fought but it's curious just yes, the flag is ubiquitous and it's all mind control to anchor us in the illusion of America. Okay, so what is the big reveal in my new book To See The Cage Is To Leave It? And that belief in government as being secretly and unethically indoctrinated as a religion now they're not calling it a religion but they're using all the same tricks and techniques than an unethically manipulative religion or cult

39:39 would use on their followers. And so the basics of the religion is called statism, and statism is the belief, the indoctrinated 100% indoctrinated belief in having a state or having a government. Okay, nobody is born thinking that having a government's good idea You're taught it in the mandatory government school or the accredited private school or whatever. It is 100% indoctrinated idea So the government state is God politicians are prophets The flag is the equivalent of the idol. It's the artificially created religious icon That has you know meaning woven around it

40:18 The laws are commandments. Voting is the equivalent of praying and taxes or the equivalent of tithes, you know? And for those that are following, you know, they can't see the slides I'm sharing some visualizations that kind of just very quickly bring to this understanding. You know there's sacred symbols in texts so the Constitution is the holy document of religion The Pledge of Allegiance is the common prayer. You're going to see sing the hymns of national anthem and Star Spangled Banner Washington DC is, is the equivalent of Mecca in Islamic world you know you're gonna be brought there as a impressionable middle school

41:07 And they're going to take you into the cathedral of the capital that looks like the Vatican. They're going to, you know, take you to the temples. They're gonna show you deities of Lincoln and Jefferson and it's going to be in a Greek temple literally like if you've been in the Lincoln Memorial is almost like double-like an exact replica of Parthenon which was a Greek temple to the goddess Athena In Jefferson's temple, it is almost the exact same statue as Athena but it is Jefferson instead of Athena as you would find in the Parthenon.

41:44 You're going to do common prayer at the sports games where everybody stands up together. There's a huge social pressure to participate and stand up and to participate, and like you said they're paying the teams to do it which is part of the reason that you know that its illegitimate and artificial as they are having to pay the teams all this is being paid for in movies and television making government hero The school is the church, the teacher is the priest. You're going to do mystical rituals like voting and everything. And you're not really voting, they've got it all rigged with the black box voting and the mail-in ballots to be able make anybody win any time they want or anything like that but that's the basics of religion. The number one technique is mandatory government school system so they are going force into this world view before your old enough to evaluate logic in the

42:43 of his government legitimate, desirable and necessary? They're going to tell you that not only is it legitimate, desirable and necessary. They're going to get you pledging your allegiance to it in a religious worship of common prayer where there's social pressure to participate. You don't want to be the kid that he doesn't do it kind of thing and they are going to take independent human beings and they are going to give them this world view before they are old enough to really evaluate morality, which I interestingly is the exact same technique that they ran on the Indians after they conquered the Indians and after they stole the Indians land. And so if you know anything about like what happened in the frontier wars and everything is after they conquered the Native Americans and they stole their land, they would send the Indian children to mandatory government schools called Indian boarding schools

43:42 And they turned the once free Indians in one generation into quote unquote citizens, taxpayers and soldiers. And so it didn't work on all of them. There's always a small minority of people that are able to you know their independent thinkers there they're not going to go along with it I've got a cool T-shirt here that says boarding school dropouts That shows some pictures as some Indian warriors that did not give up their culture did not join the army Did not become tax payers or whatever But for the most part, they ran this technique on after they conquered the Indians. They turned that once free proud Indians into taxpayers and citizens and soul diers but it doesn't work on everybody now you mentioned earlier to you know you mentioned that you know the young Marines take kids as young as eight years old

44:34 eight years old and they begin this process of indoctrinating them. So I've got a quote from Hitler where he kind of describes the Cub Scouts, the Boy Scouts, the Explorers, the Young Marines, the GRATC AmeriCorps in the US military but he's really talking about Germany but all the exact same programs that Hitler was talking about In Nazi Germany, we're using the exact same equivalent on our population today. And so in the Hitler quote he says these boys and girls enter our organization at 10 years of age and often for the first time they get a little fresh air after four years of the young folk

45:14 which is the equivalent of our Cub Scouts. They go on to the Hitler Youth, which is the equivalent of our Explorer programs where we have them for another four years and even if they're not complete national socialist status believers in government they go onto labor service AmeriCorps where they're smoothed out there for another six or seven months and whatever class consciousness or social status might be left, the Wehrmacht, the German armed forces will take care of that. So that's the government's JROTC ROTC and military police training. And by the time you go through the Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Explorers, JROTC, ROTC military police training now you're willing to set your morality aside and you're willing to murder

45:59 whoever you're told. And that's the stone cold truth, is they're running these unethically manipulative techniques to produce something called an order follower that will set their morality aside and either murder people for the state in other countries or domestically, in the case of the police will use violence on peaceful people and throw them in jail for things like smoking plants or gambling or things that aren't really crimes. And if you want him to goose step, they'll goose step. If you want them to beat up old ladies and move a crowd back with riot control stuff

46:40 They'll do that. They've been indoctrinated that it's legitimate, they have rights that other people don't because they represent the government and they can use violence on peaceful people even though its immoral because they've been put through these various techniques. Now, we talked about the Cub Scouts and the Young Marines and everything like that but really it really they turn up the heat when it gets to the police and military. And so the police in the military I could talk about dozens. So you know like I broke the police and the military in the book there's 20 breakdown 25 techniques

47:18 But I did one technique for the police, one technique for the military. But assumed under those are actually dozens and dozens of unethically manipulative techniques that were used on the police and on the military in their training to create this obedience. And these include verbal and physical abuse, excessive stress degradation and humiliation sleep deprivation, isolation. The artificial conformity of the uniform so a uniform if you break it down is uniform single form they're going to shave their head and they're gonna put you in a uniform to remove your individual appearance and compact you into an artificially created group dynamic

48:09 They're going to move you on to a military base or they're going to move you into state police barracks. They are going to separate you from the rest of society, during training they are going to curtail your communication and allow troops to call your family when you arrive at the military base before training and then they You're not going to be able to talk to the outside world until it's over. And then they're going to, in the case of the Marines and in this slide that I'm showing, uh, it's a picture that they've taken all of doors off all of the toilets so you're never ever allowed to have

48:48 a private moment. You're never ever allowed to think for yourself and sit there and contemplate, you know is this moral? What I'm being asked to do... Do i really want to kill whoever I'm told to kill? Do I really want to participate in this court? Yes! And I just wanted to step in because on the slide there that was one of the most impactful images to me reading the book as all the toilets lined up without any dividers or walls or anything because it is like a prison You reverse engineer the structures in which you're talking about and all the protocols. And it's like, well why would you do this? It is absolutely mind control. I think something that we don't think about a lot is how—in the case of the military and police—like you said they're removed from society. You take them to a separate place to do all this stuff to them

49:39 Personally, a lot of it's like this stuff is the stuff that has always been easy for me to avoid. I saw full metal jacket probably way before I should have and this idea that it was all breaking people down and manipulative. Like it was kind of obvious to me really young, but the stuff in the book that I think is even more impactful is the stuff that affects us all. Like if you don't like the aggression of the military and the police, then just avoid it in your life fine. I mean as much as you can until you're on the receiving end of a baton or something but when it comes to the sports and the other stuff I mentioned in movies like it really does seem like all of culture has created so that the more you engage with it, the more affected by it you are there's one slide It's actually

50:28 Technique number 10 in the book, you have a QR code that you can scan and be taken to this video that I just thought was crazy. So it is. It is a television sign off message from the 1960s. So obviously the further you go back, the fewer programs are even on TV. I used to be a film buff and I could have basically watched all films that were created and now there's like no way you can keep up with the shit that they're pumping out. But if you go back to this time And yes, that's the QR code right there. I suppose anyone who gets scanned, I'll try to play it in the wrap-up just so they can see it. But you say

51:05 in this message, which is basically them doing the Pledge of Allegiance I believe at the end of the broadcast of the news. And the words come up on the screen but the words come up in a way that random letters come up kind of first it's very fast but you say that when you decode those letters that pop up first The messages that are embedded are trust the U S government. God is real, God is watching believe in government. God rebellion will not be tolerated obey consume, obey consumed by Naomi worship consume, obey believe do not question government and I wasn't able to pause it to like actually catch that stuff but subliminal messaging to me as some of the most fascinating I've seen the old example

51:56 the coke ad they ran where in the glass of coke the ice cubes spell sex This is deep stuff. They play off our biology, they play off all these things that are innate to us and they manipulate it for their own goal man just think about if this is the 1960's and anyone watching the news is getting these messages embedded into their subconscious how sophisticated is it now? If you're engaged with anything on a screen Well Zena its even deeper because you know these television sign-off messages you know for your audience that are a little bit younger, you know television didn't used to be 24 seven and so sometime around midnight or one or two o'clock depending on the channel they would roll these.

52:42 these messages, but by 12-1 2 o'clock if you've been watching television for hours you're already in an alpha state where information is going to flow through uncritically. And so in the screen like in the banner that we have stopped it says oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave And then there's an effect where that will kind of, you know materialize out and as it materializes the next line of text will come. In between this oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave in the next line in national anthem they will put trust US government

53:24 God is real. God is watching, believe in government and you can actually freeze it. It's hard to do because like I said only for a second and it comes in but if you sit there and press and I've done that for people who didn't see that, you have to hit Stop start stop start stop starting till you can see it, but you will be able to see it and in the video They actually break it down And they'll actually do it at a frame rate where you can't actually See it But you can actually go to the original which is still on the internet It's still available and you can actually do it as see it. You know yourself and

54:06 But this is another example of the government as kind of running all these different techniques using the media, including subliminal programming, including these unethically manipulative techniques. I want to go back one to technique nine which you mentioned earlier where the government and the Department of Defense have direct involvement in over 1,000 major movies and 1,000 television shows that we know where they're product placing the flag at moments of high positive emotion using this advertising technique called anchoring. And so, they'll build the audience up to a moment of high positive emotion. This is the trailer for movie called Theaters Of War where they're breaking down the scholarship behind all these claims and how the Department Of Defense has script control and their actually changing history

54:58 And so like if you want to shoot a movie about Vietnam, you can't have a scene about the My Lai Massacre. You can't have a scene about a lot of the crimes that troops committed in Vietnam or you're not going to get the money or shoot on military bases or military equipment or anything that you want. The first part of the process is you give ... The Pentagon actually has an office in Hollywood and you have to give them your script And then they read the whole script and then they excise out, like you can't do this. You can't be that. And then to give the script back to the director if the director wants the military bases or the extras are the F-18 jets like in Top Gun Maverick

55:40 You've got to make the government look good. You've got to make the military look good, you gotta sanitize the whole thing. The government's gotta be the hero." And so the government is providing millions... hundreds and hundreds of millions if not a billion dollars worth of gear and in some cases they're providing ships and carriers everything like that And you can't make the movie, and if they are providing it you're able to make the movie for a fraction of what you would have been able to make it for otherwise. So directors go for it and they make the government look good, they make the CIA look good—one of my friends from high school is one of the top directors in Hollywood I won't say his name but he's constantly making the CIA look good! It makes me throw up in my mouth

56:26 The CIA is murder incorporated organized crime and that during the Vietnam War they were doing something called the Phoenix program where in Vietnam they were scooping up school teachers and politicians, execution squads murder people during Vietnam without any kind of trial, without any kind of things. It was called the Phoenix Program that's well known in American history and it has got a Wikipedia entry. Books have been written about it but like that's the reality of the CIA. It is not Tom Cruise saving the world in Mission Impossible, but most people if you don't know that this dynamic is going on, you've been raised your entire life in this soup of propaganda where every movie the government is the hero whether it's Mulder and Scully,

57:17 Whether it's the FBI, whether it's the ATF. There was a movie we saw the other day that makes a hero out of the TSA! It's like a TSA agent that saves the world from or saves a city from a nerve gas attack. It's unbelievable. The TSA is the hero? Yeah there was also that movie that came out this last Christmas season I think called Carry On and had Jason Bateman in it and again like a TSA... Yeah that's what I'm talking about Okay, there you go another weird example. They made the TSA the hero it's unbelievable I don't know if you and then here's another one the accountant You know now that the accountant with uh

57:56 Oh, what's his name? I can't remember one of the guys from goodwill hunting Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck connected to the CIA. That's another one that comes to mind. He was an Argo user. Yeah. He was in Argo and this is not what we're talking about but just another semi related thing i saw recently because if you control the movie studios and you control the money and the budgets Then you control what media gets made because nobody has a million dollars to make anything. You just say, Oh, this is what it costs buffet craft table doesn't just serve itself. You know we need this money. So another one that came up recently as I saw video where they interviewed the head cameraman or cinematographer from eyes wide shut

58:39 And everybody knows Eyes Wide Shut has a lot of weird stuff about it because Stanley Kubrick died before it came out. And there's always been speculation that the movie was re-shot or re edited and sure enough, this guy says that the movie he filmed... The scenes he filmed are radically different than what came out as Eyes Wide Shut and Basically reading between the lines, he kind of confirms that the movie was supposed to be about pedophilia rings and high places. And they just kind of cut that out. There are some like allusions to it, especially towards the end, but it was way more overt originally and they said you can't make this movie we're going to reshoot it. We're going to kill you so you never talk about it because you know,

59:26 spoke about the unspeakable thing and sure enough, uh, I just find that to be interesting because. Even with people who have clout, at the end of their career they might think you know what I'm going to go there. And then that's what happens to you when you try to do that. Because it's murder incorporated organized crime and the technique that you're describing so what i described is the most powerful weapon in the U.S arsenal is not a hydrogen bomb its control perception can we control the information that society receives to get them to go along with something that's not in their interest being tax farmed and being ruled, and having a ruling class that has rights you don't have. And so part of that is the ability to put something on screen but part of it is also the ability to kill Stanley Kubrick and take those scenes out

1:00:21 and to censor certain pieces of information, whether it's the Department of Defense doing it for the movies. Whether it's the news networks doing it cover up Epstein or whether it's the Trump administration doing it to cover up Epstein whatever it is, the ability to control the information that society receives is that most powerful weapon in the world? And it's why most people don't think of themselves as just a free and independent human being was born on the planet in this area that some people are calling America. They think of themselves as an American, they wear the flag of the system that is stealing their money and oppressing them and tax farming them and everything like that, and they don't think about it twice

1:01:08 Because they've been sissooned in it. They've grown up, you know the fish doesn't understand that he's in water the same way that if you don't... If you never heard these ideas before or have never been exposed to this before and did not know this was going on then you're somewhat shocked, but this is the pirate broadcast. This is the Nebuchadnezzar sending out its pirate signal to expose what finally with the self-directed internet now people can go and self select their information. It's not like used it like I grew up in an era we had four channels on TV and one of them was PBS

1:01:49 And that was it. You know, there was no internet if you like there were news like if you wanted to find alternative news, you had to subscribe to a newsletter The newsletter might cost you $100 a year and it came in the mail, and they frequently...the CIA would frequently have them take it out of the mail. And they would...the CIA is like censored books. They very famously censored...I'm having to brain lock but- Huckleberry Finn? It wasn't Huckleberry Finn! It was Tragedy & Hope by Carol Quigley That is a scholarly tomb by one of the most famous historians and professors out at Georgetown, which says there is a secret government. And there is a secret system behind the government and there are small amount people pulling the legs. I had access to these peoples material and here's an overview how this system works

1:02:44 And that book had the printing plates destroyed and there's different versions of that book where certain pages have been removed and things like that. So it was easy to do, its now much harder to stop the signal now they're using techniques to get people hooked on screens and they're using this algorithmic censorship of the internet Freedom of speech without reach so if you were to post this once we finish this interview, if you were to post this on your X account. X is not going to show it to your subscribers even though your subscribers are subscribed to it

1:03:23 If you send it out over email, Gmail is going to put it into their spam messages or they might not deliver at all. You know if you put it on Facebook, Facebook's not going show except to the people that you talk to on a regular basis that they know through messenger traffic so that... It's very sophisticated and its freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want But they get to eyes everybody into these algorithmically controlled social media platforms where they're able to stop the spread of certain pieces of information that they don't want at this same time.

1:04:02 that they're able to put information into your feed, your Facebook feed, your Xfeed or Twitter feed. That is either going to distract you or deceive you or propagandize you or something else so at the same time that they're turning down the authentic voices that are trying to get this important information into the public's conscious they're turning up voices that reinforce the propaganda narrative You may see Lee Green They'll may pop into your Facebook feed singing, you know God thank God I'm American because at least I know aren't free

1:04:37 At the same time, that even if you've subscribed to me on Facebook or X or whatever they're just not going to show you. You know it's not going to come across the feed is called a shadow ban is well recognized but this is how their contribute most powerful weapon is control of perception and this is the way that you do in the information age AI is gonna make it much worse and they're just taking Americans who don't understand what's going on and leading them around those on these control platforms Yeah, it's very much true. I'm just curious have you ever thought about for yourself like maybe expatriating to a place that has less infrastructure and more freedom? Yes so I cover that in my book and I'm working on a new book where I'm covering all of the different uh in the new book Voluntarism how the only ism fair for everyone leads to harmony prosperity and good karma for all I'm covering a lot of the different

1:05:33 you know, either network cities or places like Prospera in Honduras where they've negotiated a sovereignty with the government of Honduras for the laws don't apply and they've got, you know. Really? Taxation rates on the planet. Yeah there's all these different... I'm covering the Free State Project, I'm covering Montelibro and Montenegro and there's a whole bunch of places where people are trying to get rid of government and have self-government, have voluntarist free societies. You can't have socialism in a free society you can't have a free society in socialism so it doesn't like...you could have communism in a free society but you can't have

1:06:18 a free society under communism. And so, you know if you want to like in a free society if you want to... If you think communism is the way to go then get a commune and talk about your people into doing it and show us that it can work don't force everybody at the point of a gun to go along with your communism or socialism or even your constitutional republicanism Yeah. We want real freedom, when I say real, I mean real in all capital letters bold italicized and underlined not fake freedom like we're taught in the schools or on the television. I'm talking about we want real Freedom 100% real Freedom because there's a group of people that can't be tricked into servitude. We just want to be free

1:07:05 We see through the tricks and the techniques. And so that's what we're doing at the Art of Liberty Foundation, where we're helping people that want to be free punch above their weight and get this message out in an effective way around the world using the liberators using books doing media like this. So that's what we are all about. I love it. Yeah, used to think I might want to live in a co-op commune type situation then I met the co-op commune people and decided maybe I didn't want to do that, but I'm sure uh, I didn't meet everyone. I'm sure there's a lot of great people doing that kind of thing, but either way exciting to know about these pockets around the world where these kinds of principles are being implemented and

1:07:51 They're at least it seems like they have agreements to be left alone. That's really exciting and of course people should check out the Art of Liberty Foundation I appreciate your time this has been really enjoyable if we were all as committed to our beliefs and values, you are the world would be a better place but thank you for taking the time and take care yeah thanks for doing what you do Greg is appreciated always pleasure too talk to you Alright, can you believe it people? There it is. Round 2 with the forever freedom loving Etienne De La Boetie Squared! Most awkward name in the game but it does sort of roll off the tongue when you practice as much as I have

1:08:35 I know there will be some mixed feelings with this one. I have them myself, I did try to keep the conversation focused on the areas that are interesting and stuff like diagnosing the problems and going deeper into the content of The Liberator though that was kind of second hour stuff I did enjoy jumping right into a multimedia presentation. I tried really hard to keep the audio listeners in mind through that if you found it annoying of course the whole first hour is available on YouTube for free but we were able to kind of keep it moving and highlight some obvious and some not-so-obvious aspects of The Big Machine

1:09:15 I do like the reminders of how we're indoctrinated at every turn. I like stacking all that stuff up and thinking about aspects of it that i just haven't thought about in a long time I actually think a lot of his material works great for a generation like his or mine, but with the younger generation. I kind of think there's been a different cultural shift in engineering A sort of hate for the state or distaste for America You know America is always the bad guy and it should burn to the ground! I hear that sentiment from younger people

1:09:53 And I know that it comes from a place of just feeling like there's no way they can make it in this rigged game, which has gotten more and more rigged with each generation. So the frustration is definitely something I resonate with but at the same time, I don't think they're thinking it through all the way and a lot of people that I hear talking about wanting to see collapse Man, it tends to come from I hate to say young naive somewhat weak people who have always been comfortable and safe and really are just ignorant of what it would truly mean to see the system collapse. A lot of them don't have the skills required or the kind of strength and grit it would truly take so its kinda just throwing a temper tantrum to some degree and regurgitating

1:10:48 what I think has been the new engineered propaganda with this goal of tearing America down to make it more easily fit into a global control system. We didn't really get into that, probably a little bit of a more nuanced conversation but at the risk of sounding like a statist, I think we could Just focus on a few specific things that would make huge improvements, that would make our whole system kind of unrecognizable. And I think that'd be a better approach than tearing it all down to me the biggest bang for the buck changes would be of course ending the fractional reserve system and returning to a hard asset backed currency also you got to get rid of all the government lobbying

1:11:40 Another thing would be making term limits for all branches of government just automatic. Making CEOs legally liable for the actions of their companies would probably go a long way too, and one that I don't think gets enough attention is doing something to rework the publicly traded company system Because publicly traded companies need to grow 8-10% every year forever or investors just pull their money out and put it somewhere else. I think that's a big one because that configuration alone is responsible for a lot of problems, and when i hear people making general criticisms of capitalism and greed A lot of times they're talking about this incentive structure

1:12:32 because they're motivated, these companies by an obligation to put shareholders first and keep that infinite pace of growth. It's why things get more expensive and quality gets cheaper and shittier basically forever. Employees can't get raises because it cuts into profits, how can we shave more off the bottom line every year for those damn shareholders? Well you pollute you exploit you cut corners you screw employees etc etc... it sort of baked right into the cake when a company goes public

1:13:09 But just those five or so things that I just mentioned would do wonders for this system. Obviously, we could go deeper and cut out all the bloats and lower taxes to the absolute minimum that's humanly possible and for fairness sake keep the rate the same top-to-bottom maybe 5%. Etienne would say it should be zero or its theft But this is just me being a bit of a realist and those changes would never be on the table, of course. I would rather see what could happen with those handfuls of changes than dismantle everything and say good luck everyone!

1:13:56 But I do appreciate what he's trying to do, the awareness he is trying to raise. And if i wanted to let the whole conversation devolve into a debate over if this is an effective strategy or if a stateless society is what we really want... Yeah, I easily could have because I have made that mistake before. I think maybe the last time he was here But it's a much better use of the time to just stay focused on the common ground and at least help him make the case that he wants to make, and just try to keep it interesting. There are obviously a few reoccurring themes that come up with guests over and over over the years that I tend to get frustrated by and I push back on. And long-time listeners are well aware of what those things are

1:14:47 So I feel comfortable letting that misalignment between the guest and myself on some of this stuff, just go without needing to comment much on it in the interview. Especially comment as much as I might have in the past also just again front of this now I don't have on everyone who sends me a bunch of stuff but I do admittedly feel a sense of obligation to reciprocate oftentimes when that happens And that often isn't a good thing. But when I popped the liberator into my computer and browse through the files, I knew that we could get to some really good stuff when the time came and We did spend a little time on Sandy hook in the crisis actors thing and some of the events in the liberator. I tried to fit in some of the prepper files and alternative energy stuff at least list that stuff. And that is mainly what The Plus Show got into

1:15:45 As well as something I didn't expect, but he spilled a lot of the anarcho Poco tea. He is not a Jeff Berwick fan let's just say that. I know Charlie Robinson has been very involved with that conference and i love charlie! I have no doubt that Charlie is a good dude and probably just excited to be involved with something so big with so many great guests as come to speak at that event But at the end insights into possible drug running and that sort of stuff was something else. Good material if you ask me, very spicy stuff I haven't actually seen the Liberty Foundation's piece chumped the unfortunate truth about anarcho poco yet but anyone who wants to know more about that stuff could check it out on their own or sign up for plus if you like what I do and want the full two hour uninterrupted interviews always ad free in action packed

1:16:42 The higher side chats.com starts with a free seven day trial, how about that? And higher side news well with this episode we say goodbye to the studio experience and we bring it back home baby I think will have better edits better sound quality and it's actually much less of a headache for me to just focus on what matters I gave up a little too much control to have that studio look and I just don't need it The feedback is almost in universal agreement on that too, so I feel totally fine with it. We tried and I did make some good contacts that are gonna help me going forward So it's really all good as for the last episode before the Thanksgiving break with Dr Joanna Cuyava It's got a middle-of-the road 4.5

1:17:36 When I see that, I tend to equate it to a solid B. I like Joanna a lot she does have some unique takes and she's researching areas i enjoy A critique on Diana Pasulka's encounters is always interesting to me I wish the rating was a tad higher but I could say that every time Either way the great and powerful Oz has spoken what am I going to do about it? And as for the meetup calendar, let's see where THC listeners are meeting up. Okay December 3rd tomorrow The Heart Bar in Brooklyn New York Oh and then actually today we have a New York New York Meet Up in Printers Alley

1:18:23 Okay. So back to back New York meetups, then December 4th LA at the coral tree December 6th Vancouver Washington at the double barrel tap house, December 13th a trails cafe in LA also on December 13th, a London meetup at the rising sun and also December 13th a meet up at the U tree in, Stoke on Trent United Kingdom a weird location with the strange name if you ask me but people who are familiar with Stroke-on-Trent probably know exactly where that is, the Utrecht Inn December 13 and then there are couple here for January already we got Gilbert's Arizona at the Desert Monks Brewing Brewhouse and then uh January 16

1:19:21 We have one at Burnham Brewing in Michigan city, Indiana. Okay. Calendar is looking good wheels are in motion all over this island earth happy to see like-minded locals expanding their network THC topics and guests make for very easy icebreakers there's a lot of stuff to talk about many avenues to travel down so go forth and have fun higher side meetups.com But that's going to be it for me. If you enjoyed this material, check out the book definitely consider The Liberator It's a very fun product and a great archive of collected material Take care of you and yours I've done my part Your move engineers have indoctrination freedom fallacy facilitators and statist scum your fucking move It's so sad To see running what they got can't be happy

1:20:26 up on top. It only makes sense that every story has an end, too much pressure makes anything break. Used to be there's something rotten in Denmark, some broken back it's all falling down and I don't think New York is okay well they cast a long shadow anywhere you is a comic for the devil we know everything they've done has only made us more alone the spirit

1:21:18 The project no longer seems to be home. Run out of and they've run This old dog doesn't seem to have new tricks There's something rotten in Den Badly in Brussels I don't think Chicago is okay Well, they cast a long shot It's a complicated goodbye For the devil we know What comes after our wonder? No they won't go quietly

1:22:25 Lots of war, not much money Plenty of pain, little relief Can be In a certain sense of the phrase We can just get through today There's something rotten in debt And in San Francisco Bay Plenty problems in Paris Don't think Austin is okay Well they cast a long shadow Almost anywhere you go It's a complicated For the devil we know