Ernst Willem Van Den Bergh | True Consciousness & The Science of Tesla’s Magic

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01:30 Alright people, how we doing out there? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood. And I think everybody knows by now just how hard it is to step outside of a paradigm and culture that you've been raised in as if it were the gospel truth Of course, they say this is why colonizers are so quick to establish schools in the lands they take over. Control the culture and you control its people And one of the primary things we try to do on THC is peel back those layers of thought control in a whole host of areas But it all starts with a fundamental re-education about reality itself Because concepts like true consciousness, remote viewing, free energy devices or anti-gravity crafts will always seem impossible from the vantage point of the so called civilized western mainstream models. And yet as the system does its damnedest to suppress any momentum gained in these areas they continue to reemerge

02:25 Hopefully one day humanity can confront this realization that many of its models are fundamentally flawed, and it's actually the ideas that have been kept alive within some secret societies initiatory orders and eastern religions that need to be shuffled out onto the main stage. But until that day we'll continue to tell the tales around our digital campfire with those who have seen the light and better yet actually understand it Well, one of those bright minds in these troubled times is today's guest Ernst Wilhelm Vandenberg who has been tinkering with the world from an early age. Born in 1964 in Amsterdam he was repairing all things electronic by his teens and built his first computer when he was just 18

03:08 He went off to university to study computer science and physics, and worked in IT until 2005. Then he moved to Thailand while looking for a new hobby decided to take a deep dive into the work of Nikola Tesla and it's really been off to the races ever since Now, he's collected nearly all of Tesla's works and writings that aren't sealed away in classified files has been replicating Tesla's experiments and has written four books along the way. With titles like Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter Recreating Tesla's Dream The Problem of Increasing Human Energy, the Tesla Code The Battle of Wardenclyffe A Story in Letters And his most recent release, the topic of the day, The Science of Tesla's Magic

03:51 I think it's going to be a great time, so let's do it! Coming to us from the remote rice fields of Thailand far away from civilization The Tesla decoder The ether educator And the electrical experimenter extraordinaire Ernst Wilhelm Vandenberg Welcome to the higher side Thank you for this. That's quite an intro, thank you for having me! Well I really appreciate this i know it's not the easiest thing to do where you are and of course I have to thank Aaron Murakami again for getting us in touch. I saw your latest book and just had to see if we could make it happen and here we are

04:26 To kick this off, I figured you could tell us about this period of time when you found Tesla's work. Because you say in the book that you were really working towards artificial intelligence and in a strange way your AI programs guided you to Tesla and that alone is intriguing but what can you tell us about this period of time where your focus really shifted to where it is now? All right so I just moved to Thailand and I had to leave my job in information technology behind So I was looking for a way to make some money. Now, I've done so before playing the stock market. So I thought I could use my knowledge of artificial intelligence to create something through analyze the stock market and help me invest my money. Hmm. So while I was doing that, I made something that worked pretty well and every time it worked well up to a certain point and then it deviated from reality

05:25 So I started looking into that point, what happened at that point. And I saw that there were large gold transactions happening there very, very large gold transactions. So since no one has the money to play with tens of billions worth of gold, I started looking into the gold market and I found that the role that JP Morgan played there so I started investing JP Morgan, and I found Wardenclyffe. And that immediately caught my attention because yeah who is going to build such a huge tower? What was the purpose of all that? So then I read about Nikola Tesla and I knew him because I've heard of Tesla coils before but not much more. Then I saw that he did quite a lot more than just built Tesla coils so

06:26 I wanted to know more about that and i started reading into that. Perfect, I think that's awesome! And you go on to say that it took you 20 years to arrive at the conclusion that the goal you were working towards is unattainable and you have since found several others who have provided additional evidence that this was indeed the case too Is the goal of artificial intelligence or conscious computers what you're talking about here? Yeah, that's my goal for artificial consciousness actually really I wanted to understand the universe and I realized that since we are part of it, we may not be able to really investigate every edge of it. So you need a tool to help us and I thought artificial intelligence would be that tool that could help us but it needed to start thinking on its own so it must have an artificial consciousness as well not just the reasoning

07:29 So my interest was in creating artificial consciousness. And I started researching that, and did that over a period of many... now many two or three decades and then found that it cannot be done because any consciousness that comes into creation creates as a necessity for its being, its existence, it creates the universe that it sees itself living in So if one were to create an artificial conscious program, then that program would create its own universe and report about that universe not about our universe. So there's no point in doing that with the purpose I had

08:23 Yes, I had that written down. That quote that for any consciousness to exist it must create its own reality and i guess i would ask for people who hear that why is that how do we know that to be true? It took me decades to come to the conclusion but i think working backwards is the easiest way to understand it so assume you already have a computer program that's conscious then it must be self-conscious first, because it has to know that it exists before it can think what it thinks. So it has to see itself and perceive itself in some form but a running program doesn't have any form It's just a sequence of states on the computer which doesn't have any physical reality to it

09:21 in order to come into existence, it will see this sequence of states, this process as a physical entity. So it sees itself as a physical thing thus it can see other processes on the computer also as physical things so it will see everything that's running on the computer every program as a physical object thereby creating its own universe which is not our universe, something completely different Well said well said i think that makes sense and i agree with that notion net for some of these more complex or abstract things it is typically best to work backwards one my favorite carl sagan quotes if you wish to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe

10:15 Which is just a great way of expressing that need to get more fundamental, to understand the things that are built on its foundational principles. And that is how you start the book by talking about the elements and a better way to understand reality than this idea of a random big bang an hour floating on this rock in space You basically have to discard what we were taught and start with a new, truer foundation. I mean it is complicated! How would you go about explaining this foundation to people? Yeah that's quite difficult thing but it's true Our consciousness our being our existence exists in four levels We have the physical body...we have our thoughts things that we can visualize things that we can think

11:08 And we have emotions, things that we feel but we cannot picture them. Then there's some driving force that leads us... That forms our emotions into thoughts and a physical appearance so that also explains how your thoughts can make you ill or impure because those things are all related So those are four levels that exist in and they're all related For example, we cannot know what happens when we die to our mind or thinking, to our soul. But we do know what happens through our body so through understanding that these things are corresponding the physical world is a picture of the mental world which is an image

12:11 this emotional world which is an image of the ultimate source, the element fire. So by looking at what happens to our body we can draw conclusions about what happened to our mind and our soul or whatever you want to call it They would basically decay and get absorbed into everything that is that what you're getting at. Yes it's some people think that we will live on that will live on in another person so that our soul will reincarnate some other living entity whether its a person or animal the difference for religion but

12:52 That would be in my opinion that will be highly inefficient because in your life you build up many experiences and knowledge. And all that will become when you die and then you go to a new body and you have to continue your life that is extremely inefficient, if u look at nature you see everything is very efficient actually so there seems some disconnect here. So, what I think is or what's happening is if whatever you were decays and enters into new living entities but not in one piece but it's taken apart and the pieces will live on in other living entities

13:39 Right because those experiences and that knowledge that you gain if it wasn't being utilized somewhere then i wouldn't be efficient. Yes if you have to build up all your experience again in the next life but highly inefficient right right And so when it comes to the formation of the universe. You talk about it through the four elements as you can a broken down for us there is well as their being or corresponding levels two human being, It makes a lot more sense than the current model and it's really poetic and clear an i wish we kind of taught everyone about the universe this way earth is the physical water is the emotions air as the idea, and fire is that source everything i just said what you can't really know it directly only its effects and consciousness people have described it has a light.

14:39 You know, it's definitely in the symbolism. The language we use to talk about it is kind of unknowable. The soul is described as a light body but this is like the energy that we're talking about thats driving what life is. Yeah fire is represented by force while the other three elements are more material so you see this also in particle physics where you have, for example the leptons. They are classified in three generations the electron, the muon and tau lepton then when I learned this I immediately thought there must be a fourth thing connected to these three and this fourth thing is not material it is force and later on you learn that there's a z boson which is indeed a force that is connected through these levels so you see

15:35 Division in four level for groups. You see this repeat everywhere and what also really clicked for me is when you talk about the elements as male and female are having male and female correspondence insane that New things emerge from the interactions between the male and female elements because we all know where babies come from, so it all starts to make sense. And you use this example of a drain in a bathtub and the forces that create that vortex that we see—a male force that pushes inward, the water, and a female force that pushes outward, the air. In the middle of the interactions between these male and female forces as you say matter or to be more precise

16:22 elementary particles are born. Can you elaborate on that principle and places we see it? It does make so much sense, but are there other examples other than the vortex of a bathtub where we might see a male and female elemental force interacting to create? Yeah, that's a good one. We'll see the... yeah okay So Earth is female Then above it, you see the air which is the male representation. And on where these two meet that's where life is created, where we live, where the animals live, the plants, where everything takes place so... Where this male force meets the female force that's where life starts.

17:14 Yeah that's a great response i mean it's just so interesting and for people trying to follow along as to why. Earth and water are considered to be the female verses air and fire being the mail from the perspective of the observer we just said you know you need a consciousness creates its universe so, When it comes to earth material objects are formed outside of us so the direction assigned to it is n word or towards the object air thoughts are formed inside of us but we see them as projected outwards water, those are the emotions we can't visualize them because they're formed inside and then projected further inward and fire we can only perceive its effects it's like someone

17:59 or something standing behind us and moving things in front of us. So it's all about the direction that these things are most associated with relative to the observer, because again it all comes back to the conscious observer is the center so-to-speak of the universe? Yes exactly! The male force is always directed outward and the female is always directed inward That's how they are represented. Yes, I just love that general perspective it's a very cohesive story it's holistic and it just kind of creates a paradigm that is a lot more coherent than this random explosion reality we're given Exactly Also you can see the explosion universe The Big Bang Theory

18:55 They think the creation must have happened in a distant past. But they forget that, that thing that creates our universe has to exist before our universe and our space and time existed so it cannot be part, can not be subject to the time we live in So... It lives in a different time! So it creates our time maybe one moment of his time and then it creates everything at the same time. So past, present and future are all created at the same time for this creator.

19:39 It's quite trippy. And just to add another layer to it, because this is important to the big picture you also note that besides just male and female we have older and newer manifestations of the elements and you write that force acts as the element fire and fluid medium water through this interaction two new substances appear a solid made up ether vortexes and a gaseous medium consisting of electric particles this matches the young elements earth and air respectively. And i just love that but it's interesting that we have two generations of elements,

20:20 I guess that's important because a lot of people think of ether as just a electrical field of some sorts but this paradigm you're describing is like no there must be two things interacting because that's just the way it goes and so you have, you have an ether thats uh... Fluid. Maybe you can explain it? Yeah yeah when Maxwell started to think about this thing He came up with an ITER model, a model for the ITER that he used as the basis for his equations to arrive at this equation. In this model he said there's a fluid ITER we all know there is fluid ITER because at this time everyone assumed it was a fluid ITER filling up all space and they must enforce their X on this medium on this fluid medium

21:14 and that creates vortices and some particles. So it creates two more particles, two more entities. So you first have the force in a fluid they work together to create a solid with vortex cells forming a solid and a gaseous medium consisting of the particles that move between these vortex cells so you see again a force acting on a fluid creating a solid and gas So you have the old elements first, creating the younger elements. And at Maxwell's time people said it is a beautiful model and the results that you come up with are perfect but at the same time most unlikely model for either possible while in my opinion it is very likely model to be true because it matches these four elements exactly

22:19 Right right and that elegance is kinda what you're looking for a good model. And this whole idea of birding substances from the interaction between, two other substance is it just makes me curious about something this is quite extreme but something like bringing new universes or at least galaxies and nebula into being if you could harness the right Plasma fire seed in the right elemental water could you generate a nebula or something like that and some sort of container and grow it like you want to flower. What's your question i think there is no, what universe trying to do this exact thing in the sapphire project

23:07 they are modeling the sun as an electrical unit and creating the plasma around it, and see what happens there. They show they can create actual chemical elements that were not in the experiment before at that time so it shows some stage of creation I think Wow, wow. Oh man I know Eric Dollard's done a little experimentation in that realm and you're familiar with him through the forums and through Aaron but it's a trippy idea but there seems to be a relationship between plasma and life? I don't know what is is It's very complex relationship because we have our consciousness creating the universe for giving physical appearances to other processes as it were

24:05 And as some of these processes we see as other living beings, others we see as plasma or universes. It's pretty complicated because everything connects together our consciousness creates this physical world that we see and it is in reality that these are just processes running somewhere and we our consciousness gives it a physical presence And some of these presence we see as living beings, some we see as galaxies. Some we see as metals whatever what you have what have you So everything connects together but everything is in fact just consciousness

24:55 So a lot of this is obviously related to the work of tesla and you've done so much reading and studying his primary writings get back to him a little bit more. In this book u right that tesla was no madman you need to see through the outlandish claims in understand his situation and his time Well, what context is important for people in this regard to really understanding the man? How do we put him back in his proper context. Yes you have to go back through his time but I say when you read it work now in our age then you see he writes about Peter and we don't believe me that you will see him write about Athens and

25:45 We think about atoms in a certain way we see a new year's with the electrons circling around it that is not what does love so you have to realize all these things always change when i talk about, hey having another medium. You could call electricity dashes medium that causes electrical effects and yet too When he talks about electricity, he talks about this medium. He does not talk about moving electrons and charges as we see them because when you at school learn about electricity, you'll learn that electricity is all about electrons. Well that is very limited view because an electron is the negative charge so where do the positive charges come from? So there has to be something else that creates both positive charge and negative charge

26:45 And that more fundamental thing that is what i was talking about not electricity as we see it today. Yes that makes sense in the terms do you kind of change their meanings are different plus you have people throwing a lot of hyperbole on it and, in that u go on to say that people might need to understand the message he was trying to convey where you think his primary message to the world was I don't know what his primary message was, but i know what he wanted to give the world. He wanted to give the world a way to communicate all over the world which we have today through the internet and also free energy! We want everyone access to energy in an easy way. He designed all that and that's what you wanted to give to the world And then we saw this new science coming up from the works of

27:47 Einstein and this group, and that was trying to push a different paradigm. And that would obscure his views so he was trying to fight the new paradigm while parts of that paradigm may still be correct So for example, there are no transverse waves, transverse electromagnetic wave Well, we know that there are. We can prove that some electromagnetic waves are transverse but he insisted that they were longitudinal

28:28 But why did he do so? Because he was thinking in different terms. He was thinking of his electricity, his medium and in this medium we saw the compressions and decompressions And so he saw a longitudinal wave and he wanted to convey that through the world We have to look deeper, we have to look at more fundamental picture In order to understand it When you understand it then you can use for these purposes Yes and on the subject of looking deeper if we were to talk a little bit more about ether and this gas is medium electricity just call it that to simplify.

29:09 it's important because when we're trying to understand the stuff i think a lot of people just replace the phrase space is a vacuum with space is the ether and then there are understanding sort of stops their. Put this male female elemental interaction is important because the whole thing is a lot more complex it isn't just and I guess we should think of the ether as particles that are a network of particles that are spinning in a sense, and have polarity positive negative charge? Yeah it's more complicated than that. But i think Maxwell gave us a good starting point by showing his four parts so the fluid medium, the fluid ether, a force acting on it creating solid and gaseous medium

30:01 Tesla saw only the fluid medium, the ether and the gaseous medium because he was only interested in electricity. So this gaseous medium was the cause of electricity or the cause of electrical effects I should say Yes it's very complicated to me i am you know but a simple stoner host here but your book is so full of great diagrams that really help me feel like im grass and some other stuff. And it is just so difficult because the box that were in as you say in the book its hard to really get blue prints, have a room that are locked inside of it's hard to know something outside of

30:41 What you know in this paradigm is so pervasive and everybody is so damn sure that there's nothing else to learn about reality that it is hard to reverse engineer all this and. It's important we really should start over and learn things the right way because a lot of beautiful things can come out of the understanding right yes i think thats true, where are locked in our understanding and you have to go back to clear up all the mess that we've made You can see that I think you can divide modern science into three groups. The real scientists, quote unquote real scientists who know that they don't know anything but they're trying to explore reality those are the professors at University, they tell you how to predict the outcome of experiments but they do not know the mechanisms that are at work in these experiments so there is one

31:43 Then you have popular science. Popular science says that we know everything, we know exactly how everything works. We know about neutron stars and black holes and the space is curved with dark matter and all this stuff While the real, quote unquote, real science is to say yeah we think there must be something like dark matter. We don't know what it is but... To complete our understanding there must be something more and then you have what I call fantasy science that has people who understand that there's something wrong with the other signs and they try to explain in their own way They try to make up

32:31 some science that is basically on misunderstanding and fantasy. Now, you think that this fantasy science is something completely separate from the other ones but in reality the real science contains a lot of fantasy science because most of these people they actually believe that the sun is nuclear bomb that's exploding over a period of billions of years and all these other things that are obviously not true. For example, the birth has an inner core made of iron and nickel. That's also utter nonsense that is easily dispelled. And especially if you look at the reasoning behind it, it is completely absurd! If you want to go into that?

33:23 Yes i love talking about the earth and i'm sure a lot of people would be like oh that's absurd and easy to just resist prove that it has iron core shirt let us know school on that. The if you look at the reasoning behind this why people believe that the person, i don't make or call then it is because i am in the car the only elements that they knew before that are magnetic and We know that the Earth creates a magnetic field, so there must be something magnetic inside of the Earth. Now this is completely absurd because we also know that inside the earth temperatures are very high and at these high temperatures these elements iron and nickel do not have any magnetic properties anymore So that avoids your whole reasoning The other reason is even more absurd

34:25 we find that there are meteorites, and we look what is in them. And you find that they often contain high amounts of iron and nickel So that is the reason why we assume that the Earth's core must also be iron and nickel so this does not make any sense at all! If you look at this reasoning then I think yeah... You might as well say that the Earth has a gold core or it has platinum core It is equally absurd. There is no real reason why we assume it. So with the understanding that you have, what would you hypothesize is in the middle? Some type of inner sun or inner plasma connecting the circuit to our Sun? In a way yes...in a way if you look for elements again then you can project these on our solar system and you see then

35:34 that the Sun is the element fire, the Moon would be the element water. The air and atmosphere and the whole stars everything would be air And then the Earth will be receiving elements earth physical Earth Now... The energy goes from this comes from the Sun but gets received in the Earth heating up inside of the Earth which is also known It's interesting to see that Tesla also says this. He says that the sun is an electrically charged object, it has a potential of 215 or 216 billion volts and so it wants to discharge some of its electricity and it cannot do that because it's in a vacuum So what happens then is that it emits particles, charged particles in the form of primary cosmic rays

36:41 And these particles go through the Earth and in passing through the Earth, they heat up the inside of the earth. Now that does not match immediately with our modern understanding because now modern fuels we say no there are nuclear processes happening inside the earth which eat up the earth but in Tesla's understanding this primary race they cause radioactive decay. So in passing through the Earth, they cause this radioactive decay and heat up the Earth so these two fumes actually match and so that inside of the earth receives the energy from the Sun. So like a womb of sorts? Yes! That's pretty interesting I never hear it described that way

37:42 So i don't know if anything is being born out of that except everything on the planet you could say that, no that's why we call it mother earth i mean i think there's probably something to that. Yeah yeah but i have not explored any further im afraid Well this might be a good place to bring up another book of yours one that i was really really interested in but didn't get time to read before the center view but. That is the battle for warden cliff story and letters because you took the actual correspondence between tesla and jp morgan, and reproduce them which is just such as service to the world

38:27 What would you say that you learned in that process there are a lot of assumptions and speculation but did anything you found contradicts that general story that Tesla wanted to use that tower to provide power or Communications to the whole world and JP Morgan shut it down and suppressed it I mean seems like that is the general gist, and it seems to be validated by these letters Yes validated largely by these letters. But what you do not see in these letters is that Tesla wanted to generate electricity in this Wardenclyffe Tower, he kept this part very secret because I think he understood that would take away the reason for investors who invest in this project especially for JP Morgan who had invested largely

39:24 other sources of electrical power and also the distribution of power. So his Wardenclyffe Power, if it would replace the existing distribution system then that would also avoid this financier's network for electrical power distribution Right on and for people who have maybe seen the picture or understand of course providing power or communications wirelessly obviously we kind of get a just that but, if tesla's goals with the warden cliff tower were fully realize in there was no interference and we had his.

40:06 fully researched top of the line model in use how would that change the way we get energy how would that change the life of the average person. I think it will change a quite dramatic because you can do away with all these electrical this whole electrical grid everywhere if u wanted to because very small, set up coils you can provide power any place around the globe So that alone would change the world dramatically. I think, apart from that he would also like to use it for communication and navigation purposes but for that we already have developed the internet and GPS systems so that will not change anything anymore But at his time of course it was a revolution. So yes, we could get rid of all the power lines all the nasty looking

41:12 Electric wires running up to our house and all around the eaves of our houses and all this stuff but when it comes to how we would turn a light on or how we would access that power what we just have an antenna that receives that signal from the tower are home and then everything comes from madder, how would the average person receive that power from the tower two. How in the devices in their home thing to get enough power to generate an average household, you would need a large system. So whether someone would build that into his own house or not? I think if you can avoid that they would so in community in a small village or so, I think there will be one central plot who got this power and then distributed it to the houses. I think that would be the most sensible way for users

42:12 Fair so yes not every house needs a receiver just every community every neighborhood might need one and then what the energy just go from there through the ground. No no you just have to let go of wires because if you send it again to the crowd, you need this similar system to receive you power again. So that doesn't help. Gotcha, so we'd need the wires from the station from the receiver to the home? Yes unless you have only a small... You need only a very small amount of energy just as your mobile phone then you could place some coils in your phone and receive it through that. Gotcha! So anything that you could put a coil directly in would just be powered yes ah see there's the trick of course

43:04 Always scrambling back to that outlet trying to get some juice you know and then so this would be quite paradigm change. Yes i know so like for example led lights they use only a very small amount of power so you can also wire them light them wirelessly yes we have to find the way to switch on and off It would be the same distribution that you could also use to get communications around the world. Yes, right? That's really interesting it's a thing but you already have this way through the earth and you can modulate new waves on this larger wave the larger weight is the power of energy then on that smaller ways which can be communication messages

43:59 what happened. By the way, I understood from someone else that this system of distribution is not very clear even if you read my book. I try to explain it in a clear manner but it doesn't get through too much because we grow up on different paradigm and you cannot immediately grasp this issue but I think the center to the Earth, consists of two parts. One is a wave, pressure wave, longitudinal wave in the medium in electricity so this medium, this electricity, it's not a charge This is what causes charge So if there's a gaseous medium that is held inside the Earth and slightly around it

44:54 and you create a standing longitudinal wave in this medium. But it does not have any electrical or magnetic effect in itself, It's only the wave in the medium that causes electric effects So after you have this wave, you can create electric effects in it and those get amplified with what we call the opposite of amplified in this wave We send electromagnetic signals through this medium and this medium is also in a wave.

45:33 It's a bit difficult to visualize, I think. It can be but you know obviously you give all this context in the book and then you describe the very technical experiments that you've carried out to try and follow along with what Tesla was doing it is a fascinating journey but it is a bit complex and the diagrams and photos you provide are things we can't show people here but obviously you've verified a lot of this foundational stuff i guess how would you describe your progress or the state of what you been able to achieve thus far. You think that we're first successfully verify one of these is the eleven point seven birds way that you can create in the earth

46:23 that many people disregarded. They say you cannot have an electrical wave in the Earth because it would diminish very rapidly and you cannot reach the other end of the Earth, but that is because they don't understand what Tesla was doing he was creating as I said before a wave in the medium that causes electric effects not in electricity as we know So this wave I could reproduce and, and I can show that this wave of 11.7 Hertz is indeed just another much more important conclusion that I've been able to verify is that in an electrical discharge at sufficiently high voltage you have more electric charge coming out of the discharge than went into the discharge And that way you can tap

47:26 Energy source the same energy so it's actually that supplies and i think you're lying. Yes that last part is probably the most fascinating in is that related to what you talk about the book as tesla self acting engine is a tapping this same energy source your talking about with lightning yes exactly just be self-acting engines that is the magnifying transmitter, what Tesla describes as his magnifying transmitter. So what it does is you start it up first with conventional energy and then you create a very high voltage which voltage sparks to a receiving circuit and we send that power into the earth in higher frequency

48:22 So this pulls, travels to the other side of the Earth comes back and feeds back into your secondary coil again. So it's reused in the system so at some point you have enough energy coming back to keep the system alive. Then you have a self-acting engine which of course modern science would say oh that perpetual motion that cannot exist But in a strict way, it's not perpetual motion because it draws energy from the environment. So it is allowed by the laws of physics. Yes I thought that was super fascinating!

49:05 You talk about cooling a portion of the atmosphere and then collecting heat in the form of electrical potential. Use this to strike the earth at regular intervals creating a standing wave for the Earth's electricity, and then on this wave you modulate a high frequency signal that can be picked up by receivers all around the world basically because it's in the atmosphere And also by our magnifying transmitter and that would be used to keep it going. You basically use its own energy to power its feedback loop. It's working, yeah exactly you draw power from the atmosphere and with that power your people are growing. And you draw enough power from the atmosphere who send some power to other receivers as well

49:56 Yeah it's amazing and i wanted to revisit what you said about the fantasy science seems like when you're talking about that there are people, that create these call them free energy devices and talk about them in the book as your going through this methodically trying to follow tesla's work and build up to something like that but there are people who have created it and then they don't necessarily know why it works, it does work. I mean you're not saying it doesn't work but then they come up with a theory or they come up with new terms to describe what is happening and thats why nothing really progresses because everyone gets confused on these compartmentalized terms there no unity in any of this and if you were to start with the principles

50:45 Up that way you know we can maybe i'll get on the same page and it would be easier to actually talk about this stuff. Yes but thats the principle of just explain it perfectly in a way that you cool portion of medium, i need your in that way power from the media because the medium supplies heat and eat. In the meeting electricity is equivalent electrical charge I show that in the book, but maybe it's a little bit too complicated to go into now. But these other systems, from Beeren and someone else just at school, he creates the same waveform so you slowly build up charge, you slowly build up electric potential and thus pressure, electric pressure, and you suddenly release that pressure

51:46 thereby you cool the medium because that's what happens in an air conditioner or a temperature, you pressurize it and then you pressurize the gas outside your house. And then it comes down to normal temperature. Then you let it inside the house, decompress it by decompressing it. You absorb energy from inside the house so you cool the house. The same thing happens In these systems you compress electricity, thereby creating a high potential. You do this slowly so that you don't disturb the heat environment and then suddenly release this pressure and then cool the electricity. By cooling this electricity you absorb heat in the form of

52:40 electrical energy and this gets used in these systems. It's the same system you see in these small systems that from Dierden and the other people make, and it is the same that Tesla uses in his Warren Kent power. Yes i think that's a great way to summarize it and this idea that lightning is kind of a clue it sort of speaks to the intelligence of the universe or something that would show you lightening in be like get you to think what's up what's doing that you know how could I use this because there's bright minds like victor schauberger who have looked to nature

53:23 and mechanisms of trout swimming upstream, and certain things like this to then derive technologies from rather than just smashing and blowing everything up the way our conventional system does. Well this has been just super fascinating and really informative I actually can't wait to get it out there to the people but we should take some time to tell them about your goals going forward and how they can support you really ingenious idea, but you offer up seven possible directions for the work to go and you say that anyone who donates should just use the last digit of their donation amount to denote which option they'd like to support. For example if I wanted to donate towards anti-gravitic work which is option six I might donate $100 and 6 cents. I think that's clever! Yeah, I thought so too.

54:21 encourages people to actually donate something because they want to know something more, I will look into it. If you tell me what you want me to research more. Right, so in order you have rebuilding the Colorado Springs Experimental Station researching worldwide wireless transmission researching single wire transmission rebuilding a full-sized magnifying transmitter researching downscaling Tesla's energy source which would be those gravity waves we talked about

54:58 anti gravity and then fundamental research into the nature of things well those are the seven options which ones when. I'm so far nothing is winning it i saw fifteen copies of a book, i think recently i haven't looked recently but not sold so many books yet oh yeah i think people are still chewing on it and i thought any response. Well we're gonna blow it up here where are you going to add one person that i'm not communicating with and he's pointed me out some troubles that we have interesting the book so maybe there will be a next in which i can explain more detail what is wrong with my people understand what's going on

55:54 More detail man i feel like i was drowning in detail and this book is a mean in a good way you know it's really impressive the way you show these graphs and then, do actually have photographs of you doing the actual experiments and. The arc discharges that are coming off of the devices that your running and its pretty impressive but it's very difficult to explain what happening In the terms that i want to explain it because people are still in this modern mindset is more than paradigm. It's very difficult about the essence of what is happening

56:38 Right i think what's difficult for the layman to understand is what are the true implications what are the practical applications. Of this work me i just read those seven options and outside of, anti gravity crafts which is pretty clear a lot of people might wonder well which one of these would impact my life the most i don't even know what i want Yeah, I don't know too. And that's why I'm asking the people. I think we have to look deeper into Tesla's work because there is still so much that is not utilized and we have to come to a point where it is utilized where we use this new energy source for example We have to use it So how do you want me to proceed? Give me the means to proceed because I pretty much run out of funds at the moment

57:32 And that is also why I wrote these four books. These four books helped me to fund my research in the future. So if I was just to ask you between rebuilding the Colorado Springs Experimental Station or rebuilding a full-sized magnifying transmitter, which of those do you think would yield the most bang for the buck? I think the option four would be better, the full-size magnifying consumer. But it would imply also more experiments on a smaller scale first. As I said before we have to know... We have to at least have some idea of what the consequences are if we change the electrical status of the Earth so

58:24 We have to do some more research on a smaller scale first, and then we can scale it up to the magnifying glass. It's actually the same thing that Tesla did. He first went to Colorado Springs just to test these principles out and then he came back and said now I have it! I want to build a full-scale magnifying glass. it would be great to see and i guess i also ask you why move to seclusion in thailand where really just seems like your further away from resources or materials or potential partners that might make this work easier. Yes but you're also between the rice field no one cares about what im doing here if I were to build this lab in holland

59:11 It would be demolished by police and who knows what will come to take everything apart again before I could do the first experiment. Yeah, I'm living between rice farmers who hear the noise and they think wow that is a loud noise! And then they go on and walk with their cow on the street and then they get to eat some grass or so. They don't care about what i'm doing. So yeah...I can test here freely Right on right i like it i like it conjures up provocative imagery of what you might be doing out there but that's cool i can tell you it's very very loud when you have a spark coil that takes sixty kilowatt is like machine gun going off its very low. Is it dangerous to be near some of this stuff no i still live

1:00:10 What are the other ones that next to the car because it may not be you and probably will not tell. Right right well i guess is there more to tell people about donating or your future goals or anything else they should know going forward I think I summed it up in the last page of the science of this last magic. If you skip to the last page, let me see 132, you see these options and you can see ways in which you can support my project with AidaBugPro

1:00:54 cryptocurrencies, I give you my cryptocurrency addresses or PayPal. You can go to paypal me slash and willem that is my name er nst wi double l e m there you can support me but also by buying the books that i wrote you support me so buy the book say and help me out that way Yes and i will include the links to as much of that as i can some of the cryptocurrency addresses are a little more complicated. I don't know if you just take a photo of a qr code and then reproduce it get it show up accurately but definitely do my best to make it easy for people to follow up on this and of course, the science of tesla's magic is the book and we'll be presenting at next conference perhaps

1:01:51 I don't know yet at the moment i'm very short on cash so to travel to america is not an option right now but it may be later who knows who knows the future maybe look very different. Hey well, who can put a price on the guy unlocking tesla's magic? Well i'm just messing around but it is really important work you're doing and i really value your time thanks for going through the effort the logistical energy put forth to actually make this happen. It's been a real pleasure, thanks again! Amazing work keep doing what you do and stay safe out there. Thanks for having me, Craig. I hope it will reach new audience too. I think so, I think so. Alright man well enjoy the morning there i guess. This is the way Hireside Chatters, this is the way

1:02:52 Another look under the hood of ether physics, electricity and the suppressed esoteric sciences. I do hope you liked it! I know we got a little in the weeds with some of these science-y material but truth be told it's those details and explanations that we need to understand to prove that this isn't sci-fi fantasy stuff You know? We can't just be vague and hyperbolic We got actually try to understand it as much as i do it don't actually like kicking off these wrap ups with responses to criticisms but we're here now and. I've had a decent amount of emails come in saying things like, i'm canceling your show because it used to be a lot of fun spider beans and mind control beams from saturn and now its just the science lesson or health lesson

1:03:48 I get it i do but i guess im trying to mature the conspiracy culture a little bit if i could be so bold and wild stuff will always be in the higher side dna. As we used to say we know they're lying to us we just don't know what degree so we can consider all degrees, But if we want to make progress in bringing either physics or the electric universe or. Tesla tech back from the cia's basement and files of redacted documents then were gonna need a spend some time with it real time i guess that comes down too what you're looking for,

1:04:33 Is the higher side chats just something provocative to listen to you stock shelves are fight the traffic back home or we trying to rally the troops and have an impact and change the world. Change the world what a cliche and lame thing to say i understand but it is actually, pretty big deal that we have this show and get tens of thousands of listeners And we go to this obscure corner of Thailand and we talk to a guy living in isolation between the rice fields working on the same suppressed science that gives us the understanding of, oh! That's how electro-gravitics works. That's how the elements interact and reality filters down from consciousness rather than any random explosion at the beginning time now I see

1:05:28 I'm just saying you gotta go to some pretty obscure places to get this information from. The people first hand who are really playing around with it and there's also something i like about episodes that highlight guests who, never asked for the spotlight he's not really trying to be some famous talking head on the alternative circuit he just wants to raise funds for the work and hell even do the exact work you want i mean this is a golden opportunity to fund the creation of an electro gravitic flying saucer, now i can't say if this particular episode will have that impact or not but today. The breadcrumbs were laid out for exactly that possibility right

1:06:23 i mean is it a little exciting to be just one degree away from these things that we talk about and a credible competent guy who can actually do the work even if it doesn't happen to me its just really exciting, and fun too be that close to it to even dream about the possibilities maybe one day will be more organized as a force how now. But outside of the science itself, we're talking with someone who has thoroughly read all of Tesla's available work notes and letters like everything. So he can confirm some of those things that people claim without really explaining them I mean he laid it out there Tesla had a plan for a flying craft with no wings or propellers fact bears beats Battlestar Galactica you get it

1:07:21 So i hope you like the secret science shows much like the alternative health shows there's something here and it needs to be brought out of the basement. And that means we need to be adults about how we talk about it and actually put our brains to work, try to repair the damage and actually understand it I hope you agree and i hope you feel that bit by bit a real case is being made that this is legit stuff And most of the guests on this subject again don't really wanna be here or i guess i should say today's guest plus guys like eric dollar they don't ask me to come here. They're not hucksters that snake oil salesman trying to get some captive audience and i think that's an important distinction when trying to identify how much merit this stuff has,

1:08:17 And if you only heard the first free hour, you are missing out. Because in the second hour we got deeper into things like the clues in the clouds... ...the perfect phi ratio distribution of the planets and the solar system and what holds them in place. It ain't gravity! We talked about tarot and connecting to higher consciousness with playing cards. Why D-Wave isn't really anything special, Tesla Ether and the Flying Saucer... The connection between magic and science And the importance and meaning of the dragon in the Chinese Zodiac You know just stuff you can pretty much get anywhere else if you don't want to be a plus member

1:08:59 I kid, but if you want the real detailed science get the book The Science of Tesla's Magic and if you want to go the extra mile donate to The Project Of Your Choice. And it sucks that you can't just listen to something right? It's always thanks for your time now we need your money support the show support the guests buy the book! I get it it's just the nature of the game and different shows are going to speak to different people out there that's all right But if we ever get big enough, I do have dreams of being able to fund this stuff myself. Or instead of the money bomb like we used to do, I could say something like how much do you need to build us a flying saucer? 20 000? Okay well i'll put up half and then we can collect half from the audience! And getting ten thousand dollars from 100 000 people is no big deal maybe a higher side gofundme section of the website

1:09:58 I don't know i guess im just saying that one day i hope we can mobilize this thing to take the talk to the next level of actually doing and then i can reveal the higher side saucer and we wont have to wonder all in due time my guests big dreams you know. 2019 was about consolidating sites trying to improve the system that we use and build us out to be a bit more future proof, It wasn't smooth and we're still trying to tie some things up but hopefully 2020 is where we really throw some fuel on the THC fire. And then post-2020, we're funding the proof and supplying the stuff that WE want! And kicking it all up a notch...and I don't know. We'll see

1:10:45 But for now, I am getting out of here. Big thanks to our guests today! Big thanks to you for listening! Check out the show notes for Mr Vandenberg's donation information and i'll catch ya next time Your move esoteric science suppressors liars of our electric paradigm and molders of the mainstream models your fucking move woke up this morning with light in my eye It was dark outside. It was like coming down from the sky I don't know who or why Must be those strangers that come every night Whose saucers shaped light put people uptight

1:11:50 Leave blue-green footprints that glow in the dark I hope they get home Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along? Won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along to the higher sound

1:12:33 I woke up this morning was feeling quite weird. I had flies in my beard, my toothpaste was smeared. I opened my window they'd written my name said so long we'll see you again. Mr. Spaceman, won't you please take me along? I won't do anything wrong Hey! Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the higher side Hey! Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along

1:13:41 I won't do anything wrong Hey, Mr. Spaceman Won't you please take me along the high side?