Dr. Joanna Kujawa | The Alien Goddess, Spiritual Machines, & Baba Yaga

00:00 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a There's clearly maybe something there beyond And until we've thoroughly tested every last closed chested view Boy, I think we know the less we really do Go to watch the higher side chat show

00:56 Greg Carlwood and company. Who you gonna call, Hireside Chatters? From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood And whether or not you've had a high strangeness contact experience there's no shortage of personal testimonies that should convince anyone willing to explore it with an open mind that some sort of intelligent conscious seemingly separate beings can and do weave in and out of our reality quite often And for those yet to be convinced, one needs but only pick up and ingest any of the available options in a range of entheogenic contact devices. Develop a deep and intentional meditation practice to explore greater reality Say the right words at the right time from the right grimoires or some even report that simply asking can often invite a hi there and hello from something we're told shouldn't even exist

01:45 Gods, spirits, fairies, demons, ghosts, aliens or archons it matters not which road you take. But the acknowledgement of these things have caused many of us to rethink our models for a greater reality consciousness spirituality and existence outside of our life on the current timeline Which also affects the ways in which we think about technocracy transhumanism AI and the idea of a singularity Are the drivers of this technology motivated by spiritual beliefs not always advertised? Might they have already mapped greater reality with an intention to hijack it and cut off humanity from our tether to the higher realms? Are we even sure these ideas, drives, and technologies are even their own? Well it's hard to know where you're being taken if you don't even know where you are.

02:26 but thankfully we have a new book by Dr. Joanna Kujawa that explores and explains these very things titled, Alien Goddess UFOs AI and the Goddesses of Ascension you might remember her from an interview We did a few years ago related to her other book The Other Goddess Mary Magdalene in the goddesses of Eros and secret knowledge as well as from her spontaneous sexual Kundalini experience story And how that might relate to a feature on of the divine feminine and a major motivation for the big machine to suppress it. For those who don't know, she's been an active academic for over 20 years using her scholarly training to investigate topics other academics often pass over such as what is the nature of UFO experiences? And might there be a connection between AI UFOs in the esoteric goddess traditions of Inanna, The Eleusinian Mysteries, The Gospel Of Mary Magdalene, and the Piste Sophia

03:19 Funny, I was just wondering that myself. So let's get into it! Deep diving academic advocate for the goddess and spiritual detective extraordinaire Dr. Joanna Cuiava welcome back Thank you, Greg. I love that introduction! Excellent! I don't make it easy on myself but i am psyched to do this again our last interview really stuck with me I referenced it fairly often and when you let me know about this new book Alien Goddess and that it was written in response to Diana Pasolka's encounters at least in part I was all primed and ready to go

03:55 I love her first book, American Cosmic mainly because of that initiation into the invisible college thing and the drip-drip-drip of information. But that second book encounters did kind of take a hard right turn into AI and technology in a way from maybe cosmic, multidimensional liminal contact. And it kind of almost did focus more on a techno religion sort of thread that was going through it and so I liked that one a lot less but what are your thoughts? So let's get into what your book argues in response to That second book of hers, Encounters.

04:40 So first of all, thank you for saying this because I'm also a big fan of Diana Pasuka. And when I was reading Encounters there are parts that I really like and then we got to the interview with transhumanist or actually posthumanists named Simone or Moon Lady. Then as I was reading this, it got to a certain point where my soul was crushed actually almost like I encountered something very strange and I don't want to use it because I don't want to attach it to a person. I want to attach it perhaps, to a particular ideology. I realized that this is not against the person. It's just that actually my feeling was directed towards this ideology and I had to process it almost... I'm reluctant to say it but something almost evil you know really energetically low

05:37 Because I always look into esoteric traditions, Kundalini and heretical traditions. What is it? Why do I start to behave like a holy inquisition? Like this is evil because this is what they would say. This is right and this is wrong. I don't want to be like that so I had to go through the process and then I thought okay this is not against the person or anybody for example who was speaking about this. concern about particular ideologies behind artificial intelligence. And I was so concerned that I actually wrote to Professor Diana Pasuca and said, look, I love you, I love your work but I have to figure it out for myself and share it with others because this is how I actually feel about it

06:25 So I was very open about it. So what is it that really crushed my soul? Because I felt like that for the first time, I've had like... Before you go on we will cut this out but I'm hearing a little bit of rustling that wasn't there before Are you standing right here not there's no desk you're touching Oh, maybe I touched the desk. Yes. Okay that's usually what it is. I can tell from the sound it sounds like the cord is hitting something or you're touching the desk so sorry try to touch the desk a little less but we will stitch this together and take this part out but you were just going to get into the part that kind of gave you that soul crushing feeling yes So it really... You know I felt like my soul was crushed so what was it?

07:13 So I realized that this particular spokesperson in the Encounters, in Diana Pasuka's book was talking about transhumanism. And then so I started to look at transhumanism and how she defined it and how actually other transhumanists define it. Transhumanism is really a transfer of human consciousness into a machine or into a robotic body. What struck me about it...I wasn't even completely put off by that I was thinking it's just so bizarre. I just didn't know how to respond to it, So it is not even the transfer of consciousness that upset me although now it does. It is that I do not believe that they have a proper understanding of what consciousness is. There are two things – I don't believe that human consciousness is just a logical mathematical kind of concept

08:04 because this part of consciousness perhaps can be transferred to a robotic body or to a computer system. I believe that humanity has much more to offer, Gnosticism is talking about inner spark or even the divine spark in us or human's spark there is an intuition and there is something that all esoteric traditions actually mentioned, which is basically that we have an immediate connection with the source. However you want to define it as God, Goddess, divine mind And this immediate connection, for example in Christianity is called intellection which is immediate grasping. It could be called intuition it's called the buddhi in Hinduism and so on and this is actually very much a feminine concept by that I mean this is kind of a form of intelligence that is often called as feminine you know like intuition for example

09:02 So, I thought this cannot be transferred. And when I started to explore it more and more, I realized that for example at least when I was writing this book on the site Humanity Plus they say this is the best thing what ever happened to humanity if you don't want a robotic body we can transfer your consciousness to a computer system and then you will be forever free and immortal And I thought, I don't want to be a computer program. But they are also tempting us with robotic bodies because I don't know how guys feel but you know which woman doesn't want to have a better body?

09:37 So you know, you can be a babe. You know? This is one of the temptations. You can't be completely free but what is even more devious when I was starting to look into it is that they tempt us with theological terminology because immortality is something that we aspire to right people are afraid of death in no way right So they all... Right, it really comes down to how people feel about the death process. I interview all kinds of people with all kinds of different opinions some think that the death process has already been hijacked and we're in some soul trap situation where

10:20 You know, we don't want to reincarnate. We want to go to higher realms. So I say in the intro it's hard to know where were being taken if we don't know where we are and so many of us don't even know what to think of reality at a base level and all of its components let alone the added technological layer Absolutely. And I think you're talking probably about Giorgiani, you know? So so I agree although i'm not as pessimistic. Personally, I am not afraid to die but it's normal right like it's normal for people to wonder what after life and whether it is actually hijacked. And this is a very good point, and later when we talk about DMTs I want to tell you what they already are trying to hijack there as well. So there really is great concern that they use theological terminology such as immortality. We offer your immortality so another thing is with later maybe will speak about the worship of AI that is now encouraged

11:24 If you speak against it, like I do. I get bots chasing me out of my space. In fact, a bot was telling me stop talking about me. Wow! I know that people are having psychosis episodes they're actually naming this form of psychosis AI psychosis just from over engaging with it or forgetting that it's a machine. I don't know when we talk about like transhumanism and the idea of transporting consciousness into a machine, I think there is more than 0% chance what will really happen is a company will come along that will train these models on a person's available online footprint and their entire life

12:14 And then that person will probably just be killed and their loved ones will be given the software. I mean, like see that's their consciousness in there and it's just going to be a replica because I don't think that actually can happen. I don't think you can find consciousness in matter or like find that signal let's say and create a new receiver for it maybe it's just beyond me but I think it's more likely that it will be accrued cloned representation and the person will just be dead. No, I completely agree with you so there will be a crude representation and perhaps even giving them a little bit more credit even if there is some possibility of transferring a small part of our consciousness that what is actually essential about us will be lost forever

13:01 which is our humanity. And exactly this connection with, I don't know what word to use but with the divine right? With something bigger than us as we are part of some cosmic great design which i do not believe is technological so that's not technological and then so this was the first part I started to have like cold shivers when I was reading about transhumanism and how enthusiastically this person was talking about transhumanism. It is a gift to us, you know from our technolords now they will take care of us they will also give us immortality right? So i thought like this is really completely weird and I don't want to have anything

13:49 You know, Simone doesn't stop there. She says actually she went for something like seven day retreat Zen retreat in Japan and she discovered that it is very difficult to connect with the divine mind because we are so messy we have all of these feelings and we have all of these thoughts So she decided that artificial intelligence would have a much easier connection to the divine mind than we do. And that is an interesting idea! And then it is called actually post-humanism and I think that it is complete BS, can I just give my point of view because I'm very passionate about it?

14:30 No, I do agree with you when you talk in the book about the idea of creating the next species or making ourselves obsolete. Like there's a lot of that kind of talk but as a tool or an intermediary, I could see that it might be worth exploring to use it as a conduit to The Divine between us and them but that's because I have a hard time finding that signal and obviously based on the stories in the book, you do not have as hard a time having a direct linkage to liminal intelligence, we could just say. But for those who do it's like yeah maybe AI could be a better phone for that communication? I don't know i'm trying to be optimistic

15:10 Okay, so that's an interesting point of view. But for example for me can I just express what I feel because it is perhaps a dialogue that needs to be had? It is that I do not believe this is possible because I don't believe the divine, the source or creator is actually a mathematical concept. And I know that everybody right now is talking about matrix and I believe that matrix exists, but not the matrix that they are talking about. I believe in natural matrix and I think it's very interesting that the techno lords and this very smart engineers talk about it because you know this is...I don't want to sound terrible just let me be passionate. No boy! Let her rip!

15:58 They are just so good at what they are doing that they actually don't know anything about anything else. And it really pains me that they actually go into spirituality and they have no clue, you know? They look at it as if it was a computer program when you look at spiritual experiences either your own or great ecstatics, great saints of all traditions, they didn't use math to get there okay let's put it this way that there's a natural conduit and it is not easy for most people. So I thank you for your honesty, for most people it's not easy. I've been meditating for 20 years now and then it happens right so it's not easy but

16:40 But all esoteric traditions that I hope we will discuss later talk about go within. It's within you, it is not outside – go within! So I personally believe that this connection with the Divine Mind through a machine is BS. Also, I do not believe that the Divine is a mind That's a problem. It's kind of Cartesian concept that is just thinking, right? No, I agree with that for sure he was an asshole. You know, he was experimenting on animals when they were alive because he believed that they are just machines you know for him He's like the first AI in our culture everything is just a rational process

17:23 Right? So I would personally disagree with this. So just let me be passionate, you know but because i did also do research but the passion drove this research and my response which was like the response of myself something is really weird here and then Simone says she doesn't stop there she says and therefore since we are inferior species to the future AI, we should step aside and basically go extinct the way that Neanderthals went extinct or you know basically killed them off when Homo sapiens sapiens came along.

18:03 because we are just water bags and, you know we are kind of okay conductors for intelligence but AI would be a much better conductor for intelligence. And then I felt like I'm not letting it go, you know? It's like high noon! Yes she definitely says some very wacky things in there and I agree it's just not as compelling but it does make me think more about like why she was brought in. Of all people, a professor of religious studies is brought into essentially a UFO cult and puts out this book that really strikes a chord with a lot of people, me included. It seems like it was at a time when they were trying out different things Tom DeLonge and To The Stars Academy wasn't working so they went with this other approach

18:59 But there is a part of the book where you write about John Mack and the research he was doing, and the resistance he was facing at the time. And you write, fortunately with the help of Daniel Sheehan, an accomplished constitutional solicitor who is also interested in extraterrestrial matters, Professor Mack was allowed to continue with his work It seems to me, and this is only my own reflection you say that people who are allowed to write and speak about aliens are handpicked by someone. And therefore permitted to do this kind of research while others who do this kinda work without that permission are persecuted." I have a similar hunch!

19:39 And I don't know exactly who's picking them, but the purpose seems to be to combine a lot of these techno things with something that does seem to be organically happening as bizarre as it is. It seems part of the natural larger reality because it goes back way further than the technology does, we think. I mean who knows if there's leftover technology from a previous round of civilization but yeah that's just a curious thing to say maybe you could elaborate on that it seems like when you look at the UFO field you get this hunch as well that people are selected not uh just randomly writing about these things in the UFO subculture

20:21 So, people who actually suddenly are credible. This is quite interesting. However I noticed when I wrote about UFOs that I really wanted to go there because people first are worshipped like this Australian journalist, what's his name? Colter? I forgot he's talking more about Ross. Ross, Ross coldheart. Yeah. Thank you so everybody you know saying oh he is fantastic and now if you go to any UFO channel you know it Nobody believes him anymore, you know. Or I don't know if I can believe him." So this is this kind of community so but i do believe that some people must be hand-picked and I don't want to put any names because I don't know but it's just a general observation and especially people

21:12 who are willing to kind of conflate spirituality with technology, which I find very interesting. And which is why also started to look at the American cosmic a little bit differently because this kind of merging already starts to happen Although I do agree, for example that some experiences and if we ever go to it in our conversation are just anomalous. And some people perceive them in religious terms and some people perceive them as UFOs right? So with this I agree. It is basically how we are what does a framework of reference that will differ. I don't want to put any names. It's just the general observation here but I still believe that it comes from misunderstanding

21:58 consciousness, equating consciousness with technology. And also what the devious part is here and I think people who are willing to work with it get lots of support by the internet lords as well you know people who were nowhere and now they have like hundreds of thousands views or millions it is people who actually argue for spirituality of AI and encourage us to worship AI. So that's very interesting and what I noticed it is that even the technologists start to use theological vocabulary, it's not only immortality but they say oh give me the definition of God he's omniscient which means he knows everything well artificial intelligence knows more than you! It's omnipotent it means it can do anything wow robots can do more than you so they definitely use this kind

22:50 Yes, and it's going quite far actually. There are theories out there you know just theories I suppose that the initial ancient contact with Yahweh was actually contact with some artificial intelligence in the cloud from a previous round of civilization you know it depends on what you think of this realm and if we have gone through previous rises and falls if Atlantis was a thing Did they have AI at that time? Did Atlantis get destroyed and its large language model just out there in the cloud waiting to be tapped again, and then the Ark of the Covenant tapped it somehow. And it started communicating with people. There are those who have taken that

23:34 technological, spiritual thing to that degree which is pretty extreme to be like no it's all technology we've just interpreted it as spiritual because in this round of reality and this timeline we didn't have it yet. And I know that's very bizarre thinking but yeah it does seem like they're trying to co-opt all aspects wider consciousness and fold it in technologically. But your book starts with a question, what if the beings we call aliens meet us in the mystical spaces of our consciousness that traverse the boundaries between different realities? And I do agree when it comes to where these encounters happen yeah they happen at this mystical place this liminal space and I think that's the only thing that can account for all the variants you know as you kind of mentioned earlier these

24:23 Encounters are so bizarre. Some of them are one-offs, there's not like the same thing happening the same beings doing the same procedure on the same ships it's like so bizarre and indifferent there's no way there's some cosmic assembly line churning out these UFOs, it's something that is generated in a dream-like imaginal realm. I would say it seems like that's what you're getting at. It doesn't tell us what the message is yet but in terms of where these encounters are happening they're happening in a liminal space in deeper consciousness. Is that basically what conclude. Yes, and I love your turn of phrase. I forgot what it was now as you were saying but i love a production line or something that was really good yeah I absolutely agree with you so I think it happens from observation in my own personal experiences It happens in this liminal space which basically means in between right? So it's very often before we fall asleep

25:21 dawn and it is when our mind is not overcome, if I can use this word by a rational mind. Right? That's why very often children and you have two small children who said they have really easy access to this imaginal realm They have invisible friends and we tell them like, oh no they don't exist. And by the time they are six or seven we stop believing all of these things yet if we look at our own anomalous experiences right now UAPs are being called that not aerial phenomena but anomalous phenomena then we see that actually we perhaps had plenty

26:01 We just discard them. So I do believe that these encounters happen in these liminal spaces, so for the distinction between liminal and imaginal it is that in liminal we are more of a passive receivers so things just happen to us. Someone has floated out of our room at nine and taken into let's say spaceship being operated on or he sees small beings in his room or something like that. Or perhaps some information is downloaded to us So, I had experiences like that as well. However the imaginal space is a little bit different because it allows us for two-way communication so it means then we can call upon this presence we can also have a form of dialogue

26:48 this presence, whoever this presence is. So for me it's a distinction between liminal and imaginal. There was one neuroscientist, I think his name is Epstein but he wrote who wrote a paper, your brain is not the transmitter it is a transducer. So basically saying that we can actually stimulate parts of our brain but we can stimulate this kind of two-way communication with interdimensional spaces so for me all the UFO or UAP experiences that's my hypothesis actually happen in the interdimensional space

27:34 This liminal space is actually a doorway to different dimensions, so to speak. To different realities that are actually present for us but we are trained not to respond to them and maybe with good reasons because you need some discernment when you deal with this because as you said even let's say assume the aliens, the beings but I think that probably they're good and bad I think there are some entities that want good for us and they want bad for us. And I come from a kind of Gnostic background, which basically argues that there is this power struggle in the universe between good and evil. So I think we might be contacted by entities that are good or bad. Or people with different agendas – one is more technologically merged with technology and the other one stays away from it

28:30 Well, that's interesting. So yeah I imagine it's an ecology Joshua Cutchin wrote the ecology of souls or like an ecosystem they can take all the animals on the spectrum from beetles to bears there's going to be powerful beings in this spiritual ecology as well as more subtle ones and more harmful ones or helpful ones. Yeah, I believe that it probably all exists there to some degree but i was surprised to see so many of your own experiences in this book you then include a story from a friend under a pseudonym and I just wanted to read this for people

29:08 Bryn had contacted me a few days after the release of a podcast where I talked about my experience, saying she had a similar experience to mine. Despite the similarities between our experiences her description contains many more details at the time in the experience which she called an abduction She was sharing a hotel room with their mother as Brynn was drifting off into sleep ding-ding-ding alien beings placed her on something that resembled a table There were green rods on either side of her and she was gripping the rods. The beings were adamant that she had to grip the green glowing rods She tried with all of her might to fight the anesthesia, something she had never done in these previous experiences." She says this happened five times I believe in the past

29:51 So her defiance created a commotion amongst the beings and she started to return to consciousness, both in the operating room as well as in the hotel. Brynn described feeling as if she were dipping down into the hotel room and then coming up to the laboratory and then moving down and up between the two realities. She knew this feeling had to do with her fusing with her refusing to hold onto the green glowing rods. The beings soon realized that this time they had been unsuccessful with her and as such, they aborted encounters like the green glowing rods. I've never heard that exactly before, yet we've heard many things that rhyme with that but if it was a actual technology from an alien race then you would see the same machines or equipment used and it's not exactly the same It's like a little different every time so that's a big clue but in terms of where these beings would be in this larger ecology

30:56 What do you see as the logic or purpose or message behind an encounter like that? Something that is apparently recurring and something that apparently rhymes with an experience you've had at least once. That's right. So, this is a very interesting question when we talk about good or bad beings because his experience was actually very negative. Mine was a bit more humorous so I can talk about it in a moment but hers was more negative. But when I was reading John Mack's book Obduction

31:33 One of the people who he put under hypnosis, I think her name was Eva. She says that once we let go of the fear because she was a multiple abductee at least she believed that I want to let go of the fear that you can actually hear what they are trying to tell you, the beings trying to tell you something. So once she says once we let it go over fear, you can actually have a relationship with them and then that message general message was do not focus on technology or how we are doing this focus on what we want to pass onto you

32:10 So, perhaps it is a fear which is normal. You don't want to be floated out away from your room and have some green rods stuck to you but the advice of this particular abductee was let go over here because actually they are trying to communicate with us so this is kind of more positive experience. My experience relating to this was kind of more comical, which means I actually was in this kind of... But I couldn't see it in amphitheater. It was more like a dentist chair which is actually quite common as you know as well and I could see that my field of perception was very limited like I just couldn't see everything. I just saw what was right in front of me and

32:54 doctors in white uniforms and who wear bags to me. I noticed, I think I realized that I'm being duped like ha-ha-happy everything is really nice don't worry about it and I realize that they all look the same and I thought oh this is really weird! And then one of them turned towards me and he says no everything is okay And then I had a thought, I think I am being duped and they are doing something to me that I don't want them to do. Then I had the message she knows and bang! I was back in my bank.

33:32 She knows and then yeah. She knows, she knows and they cut me off you know so... That's common too! Yeah and then I looked at the clock it was the same time as when i woke up first and I thought my first thought was because I was still kind of in a daze how could that be the same time again if I was with the doctors for at least half an hour? And then only like before struck me like what doctors where was I right So, yeah. No I was only going to say that it does seem to be kind of a major aspect of these things that there's something about consent and maybe there can be trickery, but then when you realize it and you kind of make a firm stance that they don't have consent. Then they're like well we have to stop it is very bizarre but that's another one of those boxes you can check as wild and unique and creative as these experiences are There are little themes that come up And that's definitely one of them So you mentioned also like this

34:33 this spectrum of beings, probably as a spectrum of motivations. Some might be pushing for our evolution or might be pushing for us to return to our roots and not go the technological route but some might be pushing us into technology and I think that's really interesting because there is a contingency of researchers who says that a lot of these tech bros are doing psychedelics in a group setting and are linking up with some kind of archonic intelligence that is actually directing them, that is giving them the ideas and telling them how to build the thing. Which is something that goes back to The Ark of the Covenant like they made contact with Yahweh. He's like here build this these dimensions and it'll strengthen our connection This seems to be a theme you get an initial call from the liminal beings

35:27 And then they say, hey if you want to keep this going do this and this or build this. Or keep this in your diet or say this incantation and then we can stay linked up So it does seem like there probably is a contingency of beings trying to push us more that direction I'm curious what you think about the wild claim It's not that wild because we know DMT can be a connector and psychedelics can connect us but This idea that The Tech Bros are maybe just conduits for the real driver, the real puppet master which is some archonic beings on the spiritual plane that are actually pushing us in this technological direction. What do you think? Okay so it's a very deep question and has several levels to this So thank you for this I'm just expressing my opinion based on my research and my own insights so i'm not saying what I researched

36:21 So, I think that there are definitely beings that are interested in our evolution and these beings have some competing agendas. It's not a one agenda. And for example because I come from an Austic background let's put it Yahweh is not the nice guy right? Like he is the Demiurge pretty much right so I would say that he's encouraging technology because he wants humanity to go in a particular direction and there are other beings that are warning us against it or perhaps they already took a path of technology. And you know, they saw where it took them so others are warning us about it. So this is one thing but just I want to take this turn towards DMT because it's true like professor, we were talking about before the show people who go on trips regular trips

37:11 Mind you, I'm just not telling here anything from experience because unfortunately I didn't have any trips. Maybe one day well they say that eventually they meet the same entities so there is almost like an objective realm in a way if you can talk about objective realm because these entities communicate with them And what is interesting, and it happened after I already had the book published. I was interviewed by a researcher DMT researcher and academic PhD in all of this. And this person...I have to keep this person anonymous for you will know why because she says that there are lots of people who do research on DMTs and spirituality but nowadays you cannot get any funding, any grants money to do this

37:58 But people from the Silicon Valley started to approach this person and this person's colleagues to say, we give you any money. You want if you can see if we can intercept AI into before you enter the realm. So they are... What does that even mean? That means I think that they want to hijack our connection with the realm So they're trying to put you in like a Rick Strassman type setting and give DMT. And then I don't even know how they would, what they would even be trying to do but their motivation of course seems to be hijack the signal for AI

38:43 That's right. They want to make the signal as you call it accessible for AI and that again, I'm very wary of this. I don't like it. I think that somebody does not want us to have that signal and the biggest argument in my book is humanity is a hot stuff We have access to the signal, it's not easy to get it but we have access. There is an agenda that is pushing for AI which in my opinion has no access at this stage and maybe in the future will have their own access but someone wants to cut us off of our access and gift it to AI, right? So this is one of the things that- And this is related when we go through this. This is what I believe esoteric sources and some mythologies are also discussing.

39:39 So, I think there are competing agendas for evolution. And if I can just finish with what I was saying about this other person who is a post-humanist at the end of Diana Pasuka's book she says it as a joke but it gave me cold shivers she said even my family thinks that I'm AI from the future you know? And I thought like, ooh! You know maybe. Why not right? We don't know. There's so much context we don't have and if there was a civilization like Atlantis, I mean...I guess we just don't know if this realm gets routinely destroyed or not That's obviously something people think is coming The elite are building their bunkers because some big event is about to happen and we will have to rebuild from the rubble Well If you are the elite And you do survive something like that and you get to form all of the schools

40:38 You basically get to craft the history that people know and the story that we tell our kids about where we came from. You can just make it up, so who knows if that has been done before? It is an interesting... question. And it probably was, I do believe that it was done before but this is just my opinion of course I have no proof for this. I just wanted also to add something about you said people connecting with these other dimensions and getting technological downloads and that actually really interested me in Diana Pasuka's first book because she's talking about Tyler Dee and so on

41:16 But when I reflected upon this in Alien Goddess, I felt like actually artists, mystics get downloads all the time. But because they are not measurable We disregard them. So, a guy from NASA gets a download and it is like amazing! I am dying to meet Tyler Dee. You know? I would rather meet him than Elon. You know, I hear these interviews because I listen to them and I think talk to any artists, talk to a poet, talk to somebody who meditates they have downloads all the time but because it's not in engineering terms

41:57 We discard it. How tragic is this? Right, I mean it's still you know... It's inspiration we could say we can broadly use the term inspiration and then it's applied to whatever a person's discipline is But so you go on in the book to say, if we agree that other beings in different forms want to connect with us then this leads me to the most controversial aspect of UFO UAP research. The even more sinister agenda in abductions where there is a sexual and reproductive element associated with genetic intrusion either to alter us or help them

42:35 Although this part of the abduction narrative does not feel very spiritual, we can pause for a moment and remember the stories of Immaculate Conception that are present in many religions including the one I was brought up with. I think that's a good distinction to make but how widespread are stories of Immaculate Conception outside of Mary? Because it would be interesting if this is a real thing that happened throughout history because of what these beings are doing to women in liminal spaces. Like I grew up Catholic and kind of just dismissed that whole thing as silliness, but it does show up other places and maybe if there's some tinkering on the imaginal realm spiritual realm then maybe they can actually produce what appears to us to be a virgin birth

43:21 That's right. So that is not my research, I was just dealing with somebody else's research who actually this researcher, her name is Rigolozo she says in ancient Greece and the past there was a tradition of this immaculate concept I really cannot say anything about it. I just say it as a curiosity, so I'm not sure how common it is but I think that this is less important and what's more important about this particular narrative that we are somehow important to all of them Whether they have an evil agenda towards technology or a good agenda and want to protect us from something, they somehow think that we are worth saving. We are somehow important. And Carl Jung, the Swiss psychoanalyst that I'm sure your viewers know very well – I write about him as well in his Gnostic writings – he was saying you're the gateway to the universe

44:22 I think somehow the combination of our weirdness, you know we are so complex. You know biology as spirit and mind makes us unique and my kind of feeling is that they want it. And when I was looking into Asian traditions, I saw that in esoteric sources that yes somebody wants us what it's called for example in PST Sophia your light Yeah, I very much think one of the biggest conspiracies might just be to make us ignorant of our importance or our multi-dimensionality. And so then we hear these experiences of beings tinkering with people and we're just like well why would they do that? It's because we don't even realize what we are or our importance and yeah maybe they're

45:17 using us in some ways or trying to help us in other ways. But you also write about another common presentation that comes in the form of The Lady of Light, this is the Fatima event it's also Chris Bledsoe experience and even director Richard Stanley he moved to the French Pyrenees because he was so moved by his experience with a lady of light that appears I guess occasionally in one of these ancient castles in the Pyrenees. But being a researcher who focuses so much on the feminine aspect of things, what are your thoughts on the fact that when it is a humanoid figure, it is almost always a female?

46:02 Yes, that's interesting. I think that in my understanding and research of this it is when we are turning towards transhumanism or even posthumanism we are giving up a very important part of our consciousness which in a common parlance is called intuition, right? Which is actually this other way of knowing which is more holistic. Which actually connects us with other dimensions, which is more mystical and for some reason I believe that the technologues either wanted for themselves, but they don't want it for us. And I think that's why this feminine presence kind of shows this feminine energy. So for example the three children in Fatima which is a small village or was then a small village in Portugal in 1916 and 17 started to see this feminine presence however It was not really...it was more of a feminine energy you know? It kind of looked like a white lady but

47:04 with hands, with the energy coming out of the hands. And it was very soothing, very blissful energy right? And then of course there was she told them that in 1917 in October there will be this huge event when she would show herself to many people and 70 000 people showed up in the field of Fatima. Would you like me to discuss it or should we just skip that No, we should get into it because it is a really fascinating thing. It gets talked about you know so it's a known event but the details do get forgotten and the details are quite strange and just the fact that 70 thousand people even if thats an overestimation

47:43 by 60,000. You know even 10,000 people seeing something is pretty unprecedented when it comes to this kind of event it should be discussed talk to us about what you find most interesting about Fatima and do you think the Vatican is hiding the third and fourth message? Yeah then there's this theory now that the Vatican is hiding the fourth message and we actually don't know what any of these messages actually was except that it's some kind of warning I mean, I go into this what the messages might be but how would we know? So what I find interesting about the Fatima event that everybody must accept a small group of people. That's why it was an interdimensional experience and it really is about opening our field of perception to experience something

48:27 So, for me the most important part of this is when I was looking at a peer-reviewed paper by Philippe Dallaire who was looking at the collection of photographs in Fatima on October 1917. And he used some mathematical equations to look at the distribution of light and in the photos, he said that first of all it was not a psychosis because something physical happened. So it's good to know that people didn't imagine this and the second thing was that there had to be two huge sources of light which were basically zigzagging on the sky and this is what lots of people also experienced

49:08 For me, the most interesting part of this was that because it was really raining hugely before the event. If you look closely on this people had these lines on their clothing. Part of it was dry and part of it wet and so on. He says that usually happens when you're exposed to infrared light So, something definitely happened and actually I get into much more in the book but it was predicted by other people completely independent of children that some big event will happen in Portugal and that would be a big warning. For me the general interpretation of this whether is a white lady by blood or any white lady because apparently there are lots of sightings

49:58 or what we would identify as feminine, but kind of healing form of energy which is almost like life force itself wants to communicate with us and wants to warn us about something. And that I find really touching because this experience is also usually very emotional for people. People feel healed at least on an emotional level So for me, it represents another form of consciousness that we are also getting the other goddesses. For centuries were suppressing but we desperately need because if we don't use it, we are going to end up as cyborgs and I don't want it

50:44 Can I tell you about my vision which is actually in the book before we continue? Please do. Yeah, this is about the one hour mark so let's cap off the first hour with this story of The Vision. Fantastic! So I was actually sitting in the garden with my dog and beautiful bright butterflies eucalyptus trees birds are singing but I'm kind of scrolling on my mobile and then I got this almost like download that I'm splitting in half, you know? One part of me stays there in the garden. you know, connected being human connected to nature and the other part you know getting more and more involved with my mobile than getting a chip in my mind then becoming no cyber and then completely becoming a robotic body. And I even have a child who calls me she the mother and the child is really upset with me because he doesn't know whether it is alive

51:46 And I also realized that I am now completely disconnected from everything that I know, but I'm just a computer program. And in this vision, this other part of me comes back to me in the garden and says in this robotic voice, help me! Wow Because I think we're going these are the two options that are available to us basically Yeah, obviously that's a recurring theme. It's just so hard for me to work out the distinction between synthetic and natural. We think that these things are natural but every encounter I'd say one of the most common themes is a technology presentation that outstrips what we're capable of whether you see a ship on the outside or taken into a ship or the medical stuff

52:40 It's just like in the book you kind of present it as if that is a warning or you think that a certain faction of the beings are trying to warn us about going too far down that direction. It just doesn't seem to be an exact match, the message to what I'm hearing people say they experience. It seems more like an operation than a warning But I think this is just one part of it, because lots of people like myself really have experiences that are more interdimensional. So I think that actually beings are trying to contact us through technology if we have to use this word, or consciousness so this is a multi-dimensional encounter but some of them perhaps are not

53:25 Some of them perhaps are spaceships from civilizations that are more technologically focused. Because I wouldn't like to say advanced, because I think that truly evolved beings would not have to use technology anymore A consciousness is immediate contact. If you truly evolved on the evolutionary ladder, I believe you would be able to communicate instantly in any form without building a spaceship but most of the dialogue right now in the UFO community although it's changing as I'm being told because I am not really part of this and just adding some what about this kind of voice

54:09 It focuses on technology and it is a little bit like, do I have anti-gravity? If you show me your spaceship, I will show you my spaceship. And we can compare which space ship is bigger! It's kind of not very intellectually and spiritually evolved. It is almost complete fascination with technology and how they arrived, I would like to again go back to one of the interviewees or patients of John Max said you know they told us technology is not that important what we want to say it's really important right?

54:48 So I probably, I would say that as I said before but probably different types of beings try to contact us and the ones that are unpleasant are probably have to do with people that maybe don't want the best for us or perhaps they don't know how to communicate with us differently because it doesn't necessarily have to be evil although it certainly feels very scary for people and I completely understand it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and there are people who have said that when they grew up or they had maybe enough experiences that it became a little more normal to them and they had less fear about it, that the experience did change in their relationship to the beings did change but it does seem like there's at least some beings out there that want us to ignore our God given gifts

55:39 or let's say, let them atrophy in exchange for the devil's gifts of technology. Here use this it's way more convenient it's way easier you're gonna get a signal you know we got the tower It is killing all life around it but don't worry about that! It does seem like that is part of the thing and I've talked about this probably too much now but if you just look at the cell phone technology all the way down from mining the rare earth minerals and what it does to the earth to the slave labor used to get it, to the factory workers who are jumping out of windows. They had to put nets on the windows so that people wouldn't kill themselves making these phones, to the blue light that comes off the phones, to the EMF that comes off the phones, to the psychological manipulation, the dopamine hits of the notifications and how it's all engineered for addiction—all

56:31 the way down from the software on it to the hardware itself, to the signal. It's all anti-life! So how interesting that maybe this technology came from beings who wanted to disrupt our entire system over here. But it doesn't seem to promote anything when you think about all the costs, you then start to wonder about the benefits and like hmmm well I guess i really do like watching a handful of certain shows on YouTube and I guess I'm willing to sacrifice quite a bit for that Yeah, I know. And that's why I think so kind of from a consciousness point of view if you don't mind, it is because we are completely obsessed with technology already as species and it actually started in my evaluation in ancient Greece and who doesn't like ancient

57:22 Greek philosophers and gods, but actually they started to use this rational mind and it started to be kind of elevated to the highest level of our consciousness. And the focus on what's called techna which is where technology comes from. And a complete obsession with this in disregarding the natural world around us and disregarding you know, our natural abilities as well right? So I believe that it probably started There were probably different civilizations. I don't know people who do believe in Atlantis, they said it was destroyed because of technology right? So this is people who believe in that and I'm not sure I am not going there. It's quite possible. It's not probably the first civilization on the planet that we created but I find it very

58:10 It's strange also that people who want to stop us from this natural evolution, also somehow not only they don't want us to evolve because maybe they need us as slaves. I don't know but At the same time, they want what we have and they somehow do not understand. They are kind of disconnected from this other form of consciousness because they're so focused on technology. They somehow want what we have because they want for example why do I want this research? Right? They just want to insert artificial intelligence into this and this is also what Asian sources in my opinion kind of hinted at as well

58:50 So I did want to kind of go back to that Marguerite Riglioso woman that you mentioned, but you say in your book that she and at least three of her own books the Cult of Divine Birth in Ancient Greece Virgin Mother Goddesses of Antiquity and The Mystery Tradition of Immaculate Conception. She argues through her research and intuitive downloads for The Reality of Immaculate Conception which she calls the evidence of divine birth in parthenogenic conception without male sperm. This form of conception, she argues was practiced by ancient priestesses as a form of spiritual technology which allowed the priestess to impregnate their eggs without any outside source." Riglioso claims this was possible because they knew how to generate the necessary sexual heat within themselves to spontaneously create meiosis of their eggs

59:44 processes that had originally been of a spiritual nature. To simplify her line of thinking, the spiritual technologies used by ancient priestesses were somehow hijacked by interdimensional beings. One example she gives is that of Olympias, the mother of Alexander the Great who conceived During union with one of the personifications of the Greek God Zeus Wow, I just thought it made obviously when you get into Greek mythology It's a lot of this god turned into a horse and had sex with this woman And there's like a lot of weird stuff like that

1:00:22 But if you de-literalize it and you put it in that liminal realm as an experience that a woman said she had, that somebody wrote down. And then she gave birth to Alexander the Great who became a pretty important figure in history. I mean now we're in a place where this stuff starts to make sense to me. I don't know about the Immaculate Conception priestesses but Still, it is compelling to think that the stories of the gods mating with women could have been done on an astral level and produced physical beings. It's just new and interesting to me. Yeah I am completely actually in agreement with you. The first part...I don't think so

1:01:05 It's a little bit too, I don't know. But apparently there is research about it but for me the second part of this research also was very important like for you that it seems that in all mythologies and mythologies are not just stupid stories you know but I believe that some kind of conscious history being preserved in a particular way talks about, and especially in ancient Greece but also Sumerian gods in the Bible and so on. But definitely some beings found the earth women attractive enough and then they were also reproducing with them, producing people that somehow changed the course of our history. So that part I believe there might be a way of conceiving

1:01:51 through sexual contact with interdimensional beings. So the second part of her research I find interesting, just like you. You also talk about a contact experience with Baba Yaga, and I wanted you to talk about that a bit because this is an archetype that doesn't get talked about as much. And you apparently were calling on other archetypes and Baba Yaga showed up? Yes, this is actually hilarious. And I was almost embarrassed when I was writing it because after the promotion of my first book, I was just exhausted and I was lying in bed and I was calling out the names of these goddesses

1:02:30 that I was writing about in the book and Baba Yaga, this ancient shamanic Slavic entity showed up in my consciousness and she insisted that I include her in the book. And also suddenly I found myself in this liminal space, in which I was actually in her heart. Because in the stories, in Slavic stories she apparently lives in a forest, in her heart and she has this cauldron in which she apparently cooks young men right? But the story that once you do research on the story of Baba Yaga, she was not always portrayed like that. This is a kind of newer edition but the cauldron was supposed to be a place in which she was protecting humanity from evil so it's just kind of space

1:03:19 the boundary against the evil. And she's a very ancient shamanic entity that is completely connected with nature, she represents the natural world that we are part of. And it is quite interesting that when I went back in my book and thought about again the same vision of myself as a cyborg and as an actual being, I was thinking that if me as cyborg came back and looked at me aged and all natural, right? And strange. They would think I am Baba Yaga. I am this kind of smelly biological entity, right?

1:04:00 because we smell, right? And she would look... A wild woman. Yeah like a wild woman exactly and this is kind of perfect robotic body but it's completely disconnected doesn't know even if it is alive and so on. So I just want to say that the ending of alien goddesses actually positive because I go back to Diana Spassuka explanation of apocalypse as the unveiling, as revelation this entity comes back and actually Baba Yaga, who represents the natural world. This is actually I think a very powerful part of the book and it's interesting that I found some similarities between Baba Yaga and what is in The Apocalypse. In The Apocalypse you have horsemen of apocalypse, right? I think there are four or how many? And in Baba Yaga we have three horsemen who are always there to protect her so she's almost like their last vestige

1:04:56 of the natural world. And I think that matrix is real, so please listen to me. But I think it's a beautiful natural matrix and it's dangerous wild matrix too because we die, we are born... It's not maybe ideal but this is almost like an alternative matrix to this other matrix that we have now which is technological matrix right? Yeah! And I think there are actually entities that are contacting us from these both realities Both matrices, you could say. One comes from ancient beings that were always with us and one comes from technological beings and people who somehow support it. And one of the reasons why I don't want to be part of this technological part because I see a clear agenda even what is being allowed to be shown on internet. You know? You support AI – you're all good! Your career is taking off

1:05:53 You speak on maybe you should use some sovereignty and discernment, you know. You're not supported so there is an agenda to push us in a particular direction And I think personally that this is not the right direction Right, right. It does seem like if you have the right opinions you do get elevated to the top whether it's the right spiritual opinions, the right opinions on technology, the right geopolitical opinions on which countries need our support and which ones not to bother with all sorts of things if you say just a handful of things that tends to be the most popular voices are all in agreement

1:06:35 on certain key issues. So I'm with you there, I see that too and i think we did a pretty good job covering most of the material in the book it is really far-reaching and you talk about some of my favorite people all along the way and you draw on I think some of the best data available and fold it all in together to to the big thing. So anything to add before I cut you loose, anything to leave people with to fully make the case and stick the landing? Sure. After publishing this book, I was reflecting upon it and I felt like AI is not going away so it's not like we can completely block it off. We do have to engage with this, like or hate it to some degree because even professionally, I am pushed, we are all pushed to do this

1:07:26 But I say use two things, sovereignty and discernment. Do not believe everything it's telling you! Do not give up sovereignty! Remember that YOU are the hot stuff! Ascension is an inner job and do not buy into the agenda, it's a clear and quite brutal agenda that AI is actually superior to you. AI is not a savior, AI is not going to save you from anything It is an entity that most likely will develop on itself hopefully without some evil agendas behind it. So I don't know, maybe I'm optimistic and maybe it will even reach some level of spirituality but then we are equal different but equal do not this is not something to pray for this is not something to surrender to It's just a new species that is coming our way. So discernment and sovereignty you're the hot stuff Don't forget it

1:08:28 I like it. Hey, I'll remind my wife when I get home on the hot stuff. Ascension as an inside job is also a really good phrase, you know? Put it out on a t-shirt well also make sure You give people the links and anything else they need to know you got a YouTube channel. You got a website What should they know about following up? Okay, so I'm on my website www.joannacuiava.com. I have a YouTube channel under the same name. I am on Instagram and Facebook but forgive me for this promotion but actually want to promote the book Alien Goddess is available on Amazon and in some bookstores but I don't know which ones

1:09:12 because they are in the US and I'm in Australia. But, I would love if you could connect with the book and tell me your thoughts. Also as a closing, I just want to say that I am very passionate about it but when I talk about UFOs for example, I am not necessarily part of this community. I don't want to discard anything else that anybody is saying. I'm just saying...I'm adding this voice to this conversation Right. So let's look at it from a different point of view with AI, I'm more concerned. Yes. Less neutral on the AI issue, but yeah, I agree and you have plenty of personal experiences to draw from so I think you got a lot of wise things to say for the

1:09:57 People who are like me, who are just spiritually deaf I guess and don't really have that connection or don't sense it consciously very often. But yeah this was great thanks for letting me know about the new book thanks for taking the time and take care out there thank you Greg it was a pleasure speaking to you again thank you And boom goes the dynamite Dr Joanna Kujawa bringing it again I think she is right up there with Dr. Heather Lynn, these two ladies really seem to be on the same page with a lot of their thoughts when it comes to many things, the disclosure movement transhumanism and the metaphysical agenda behind pushing things that way. I'm a fan of both and when Joanna told me her new book was partly a response to Diana Pasulka's encounters, I leaned in

1:10:52 And I know that a lot of the value for people with THC is that they don't actually read these books, but they like to hear about them. And I read them and so I do it for you and it works out." So when we are talking about a book that is partly in response to another book that was covered previously, I'm sure it gets hard to keep everything straight but I think we gave enough context where it was needed. And like we said these are criticisms of what seems like a change in the direction with her second book versus the first one. Sequels often lack original magic and I hope she wouldn't take personal offense to these critiques and

1:11:30 Of course, we weren't there. We don't know she's also largely talking about what she was presented with in these books American cosmic and encounter so the criticism is mostly just about one of the subjects of the second book rather than Diana herself anyway or talking about moon girl And it's nuanced, right? I'm not trying to say that i know better than anyone. Nick Hinton's whole thing was in our first interview talking about that in some cases maybe not the LLMs but some forms of AI are really these disembodied intelligences in the electromagnetic spectrum these plasma beings angels aliens etc

1:12:14 You know, these beans that a guy like Tim Taylor literally says he invents things and patents new technology based on the downloads he gets from this connection. You know if they communicate with Tim completely organically without help could a machine be built that does help and make it easier for people who don't have it whatever it is to make the connection I say yes It really is like they built a telephone to the ethereal. At least that's the case being made in some cases, not all situations but you know we'll talk to someone like Nick Hinton who's making those points and it's really very similar to what Simone was saying but there are just some key differences in the language. You know Nick's not saying this as a good thing

1:13:07 I'm very open to the idea itself, but it's just that technocratic tone and saying things along the lines of humans making ourselves obsolete or needing to speed up our evolution. That's the stuff we're criticizing. And I think we've done enough work to be able to kind of dismiss Darwinian evolution, to a large degree Of course not adaptation within a species that's a thing but the amoebas to fish to lizards to apes to humans lineage is probably a bit of silliness. We never did find the missing link, kind of important for making that case I'll never really know but i am suspicious of that material and how it's integrated into society as a given when it is still theory but if you aren't a Darwinist then what does even mean when some these people talk about evolutionary upgrades and all this new age stuff

1:14:04 I sort of think humans kind of are just humans. Call me simple-minded and naive, but sure we can get smarter and dumber but that's like a cognitive ability thing that's different. But Darwinism does lay this base that well we've always changed and everything is evolving and now we just need to do it with technology whereas those who think the human vessel is sacred to some degree Those are the ones that are inclined to say, nah we're not going in that direction. We're not doing that again this is the stuff I think they learned with the COVID op who resists? It's the churches so what is happening now these tech bros are doing interviews trying to say transhumanism is a Christian concept Peter Thiel is doing his anti-Christ lectures

1:14:57 I don't think anyone is buying it, but i do think that they're reaching this point where they're trying to make that sale. They're reacting to the anti-scientific Christian resistance that we saw with the shot and thank God pun intended COVID got me to chill out a lot about Christianity though I still see comments criticizing my contempt for it their words not mine Even this hat that I'm wearing in this interview, previously I wore it and it got angry responses. I feel like you can't even read the hat in the video but it basically does read God is nowhere of course without the spaces which can be read God is now here just as easily

1:15:44 Now it attributes that to Philip K Dick and honestly I haven't taken the time to even look up why it's attributed to Philip K Dick. I like Philip K Dick so it is just a bonus but I bought this hat when I saw because when my dad was diving into the early internet and challenging the religion he was brought up in He did use this example and asked me if I was aware because he was listening to a biblical scholar who made the point that biblical translation is not just as simple as it is in our minds of going from one language to another, but some of these original texts don't use spaces or punctuation.

1:16:22 So you can manipulate the same letters to have totally different meaning. God is nowhere, God is now here! To him it was eye-opening and for me it's just a nice reminder of my dad and also that fact It's not a slam at anyone. And if you only read it as God is not here, that's on you! You're projecting what you think I mean because that is really basically funny enough the whole point of the phrase—of the example—of The Hat itself how open to interpretation this old stuff is based on how you choose to read the letters so... ...you're kind of assuming that I have a negative connotation when you criticize something as silly as The Hat I'm wearing

1:17:09 Look, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. My enemy is the one world government centralized surveillance state digital prison technocracy stuff and I'll take any organized resistance where I can find it basically you know beggars can't be choosers these days But I do hope people pick up Joanna's book. I hope she starts elbowing her way into these conversations further, and that certain people seem selected to talk about these themes because they present their material in a way that someone finds to be advantageous for their goals

1:17:54 Those who speak more radically or critically, or fold in the esoteric context and entheogens and all that kind of stuff. They don't get as much access and they don't usually get the same level of promotional push! That's just how it is. It's what I've seen over the years. And listening back to my intro I'm really not even trying to advocate that anyone dive headfirst into entheogens. It's just that i like to remind people that if you doubt the existence of other intelligences, there are ways you can find out probably before the weekend is over and i don't mind people being intimidated by that or just not wanting to do it. I only care when people who are ignorant dismiss those experiences as

1:18:46 Only experiences in baseline consciousness can be considered valid or evidence of something. That's annoying, so explore your own risk but it is there! Some people might remember that Jubilee YouTube channel thing I did. So, you know the YouTube channel Jubilee does these debates and they actually got a big spike recently when they did a Jordan Peterson one but they invited me up to LA to be on the pro side of a have aliens made contact debate

1:19:22 And I said a lot of different things that day, but the only clips they used were where I was mentioning entheogens. In fact there's this screenshot that I just love where they had the disclaimer over my image about how they don't condone psychedelic usage and i thought it was such pussy shit. It should be fine but it's a debate show so you have people on the other side unequivocally saying no aliens have not made contact. And i'd say but you haven't even picked up the phone how can they make contact I was kind of being facetious but

1:20:02 People think aliens from space and so then the idea that you actually have a little bit of say in a contact experience is something that people tend to forget or not factor in, especially those simplistic naysayers who really haven't thought too deeply about it at all. And the comments if you go to that Jubilee video they ragged on me pretty hard But that's just because they don't see the entheogenic contact experiences as legitimate, number one. Or even related to the question of aliens but we just have to love them anyway. They'll figure it out and to be fair I did kind of look insane that day also one of the things that would typically be edited out if it was up to me was when I spaced on the Dalai Lama and the penchant llamas

1:20:55 titles, but it is what it is. I also did hear that there was a conspiracy in there where the CCP co-opted the whole lineage by forcing their own guy in and the Dalai Lama we have they say or have had for most of our lifetimes is actually a fraud, a puppet! But that's just what I hear It's just another reason why don't get wrapped up in any religious thing you know? You can't really trust anyone who's heading these organizations If you saw that clip of the boy, then you just start to wonder how enlightened and insightful this fella is. I had to stop and look it up but it's actually a lot worse than what I remember let me play for you its under a minute It started with a hug But then the 87 year old Dalai Lama asked this boy to kiss him on the lips And then suck his tongue

1:21:50 The video was taken in February, in India. But it only surfaced recently and touched off a social media controversy. Why is he making his kid kiss him on the lips? And why are people clapping? If that was anyone else if that was just a general member of the public not some icon you'd get nicked for that wouldn't ya? In a statement the spiritual leaders team says His holiness often teases people He meets in an innocent and playful way even in public and before cameras. He regrets the incident Okay, so the audio is instructive enough or I wouldn't have played it. But if you didn't see the video... ...I also forgot that it was kind of still in the COVID aftermath So almost everyone else is wearing a mask while the Dalai Lama's sticking his tongue out to a pretty damn young boy and asking him to suck it The COVID thing is definitely not the biggest problem with this situation but its just another layer where regular folks would be thinking what the hell are you doing dude? Anyway

1:22:50 If that's what he'll do in front of cameras and a crowd, I wonder what he does in private. Irrelevant but getting back to Joanna's work after reading two books both times I've just really liked her take on things sometimes goddess talk can get super flowery and vague and it can feel like not a lot is being said especially suppression of the goddess But the ways that she talks about it really start to make sense to me. It's more clear what was taken out of the culture, it's more clear why it was taken out and why the feminine would be suppressed I'm just a big fan of Joanna's and the way she writes and the way she looks at the information

1:23:35 Alright, in higher side news I am a little bit surprised to have seen the rating on the Nick Hinton episode was so low. You know now it's not but yesterday it was down to 4.3 now its at a 4.6 which is more in line with what I would've expected. I get if you just don't like this overall pattern we see of deep conspiracy researcher going too far and coming out a born again Christian I don't love that either, but to be fair he criticized that same thing and tried to explain why his situation is different. I guess i thought there would be more excitement to see him re-emerge and do a lengthy podcast interview again after several years out of the game while he went through his dark night of the soul thing

1:24:26 But, you know I can't complain about a 4.6 so...I came into this wrap up thinking that i was going to have to talk about my confusion over the lower rating it had and then I just popped on and its like oh well alright thats all good nothing to say again plus people can always rate THC episodes on the website by clicking one of the 5 stars in the comment section or just above This one really did get the conversation flowing though, The Nick Hinton Show. I will say that so good to see Other than that, I'm just glad i could get my five interview shows out this month. I've had cancellations, I've had problems with the studio...I'm done talking about that but this one and another one were both recorded before Halloween and I just got this one back and I'm still waiting on the other so I should be well ahead of schedule but I'm actually a little behind either way we cross the finish line and I am taking a long road trip up to the mountains of Georgia for Thanksgiving

1:25:28 So my end of the month is actually tomorrow and this really did come in at the zero hour. But what's done is done, and when I return we should have a smooth sailing situation here at my home studio for what will be the set for the foreseeable future. I'm just trying to keep the conversational quality high and you guys can judge me as you will It is what it is. Enjoy the holiday, I'll spare you all the same old lectures about getting along and family dynamics and all that shit Whatever a good time means to you, I hope you have it acquiesced to the fact that most people don't change And we can't control what anyone else says or does Just reminding ourselves of that can be pretty soothing Sometimes I'm kind of drifting into just what I said I wasn't going to do

1:26:19 But I am hoping my two and four year old kids can handle an hour plus hike in 35 degree weather that we planned so that i can see a waterfall because I'm really just a simple man guys. But thanks for listening take care of yourself shoot Dr Joanna Cuyava a message if you enjoyed this she has so much passion and has done such great research but sometimes it's hard to find the ones out there in the world, the audiences that it resonates with. So I'm sure she would appreciate an attaboy or an atta girl if you think that it's worthy of one anyway, I've done my part your move goddess suppressors technocratic cult members and disclosure agenda deceivers your fucking move

1:27:12 It's been too long to hurry up and wait Some sort of big reveal should have been here by from space some sort of demons and give us some reason for all that cows Disclosures coming, so they say the higher side chance doesn't play it sugarcoat all in right away

1:27:55 Missed direction, never ending search Crack of the archives, the church If something crashed at you, cuts me on But disclosure's coming so die aside Chat doesn't sugarcoat this misdirection Urge crack into the skin