Dr. DC Ammon Hillman | Sex, Drugs, Jesus, & Snake Venom Assassins Of Antiquity

00:03 No need for arduous seeking. All you have to do is follow the clues You start to see this as a simulation, as a type of computerized AI manufactured reality We are playing like putty into the hands of the manipulators who are just setting us at war with each other Master Zom will surely have a plan, it's clearly maybe something they tested It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, Hiresight Chatters. From The Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and it is no secret that simple narratives are oftentimes all we have to represent complex history

01:20 Scholars and academics might project a lot of their own opinions and assumptions onto the material in their field. And once they've told us how it is, their pride very rarely lets the record be corrected even in the face of very obvious new information. What was once a curiosity-driven pursuit of truth turns into a defense of establishment positions and egotistical reputations Well, today's guest Dr. Amon Hillman takes several taboos that exist in all times like drug use and child abuse and reinserts them in the worlds of ancient Greece Rome and biblical history where the established order insists they could not be

01:57 Never mind the fact that we find mummies buried with cannabis and the bible is full of references to very trippy scenes like burning bushes and snake morphing staffs. On top of many mentions of burnt offerings, various perfumes & incenses yet the suggestion that any was used for psychoactive effects is a very silly but strict no-no But where Dr. Hillman really ruffles feathers is with his position that sexual abuse of young boys is not an unfortunate accident in the modern Catholic Church, but was actually a function of it from the ground up and he looks at some biblical stories from a critical lens and asks... Was Jesus a child trafficker?

02:37 He covers these positions very in-depth in his books The Chemical Muse, Drug Use and the Roots of Western Civilization. Original Sin, Ritual Child Rape and The Church And it gets even weirder in his book Hermaphrodites, Gynomorphs & Jesus, She Male Gods and the Roots of Christianity He's controversial, but he is no slouch. He has a PhD in Classics which is to say the Greek and Latin languages with an emphasis on critical analysis and studying the important periods of major authors of Greek and Roman literature And he has a major in Bacteriology which helped him incorporate separate bodies of texts that are very rarely combined to come to his conclusions

03:16 It's going to get spicy, people. So brace yourself the ancient drug use educator hidden history restore and religious child rape revealer Dr Hillman Welcome to the higher side Greg thank you so much for having me it's an honor to be here And by the way that introduction is genius there is inside of that introduction something I hope your audience just relishes And that is a critical look at academia itself and how it is that we generate ideas that don't necessarily have any support from the ancient evidence. So thank you for having me, I hope to do a great job for you!

03:56 Of course, man. This is going to be really interesting, spicy controversial and I don't mind that at all but to give some context for how you arrived at some of these conclusions that I mentioned in the intro a lot of it comes from using your education in classical languages and going back to the original sources And there you found things that never really made it into the sanitized English translations that inform our views of these people in these times. And you looked deeper at ancient Roman medical texts and found all sorts of drugs that were also referenced in the Bible and other places, but are also kind of watered down in the Bibles that we have in English today. They might make a mention of a perfume or an incense

04:47 They never mention the psychedelic effects of such a thing, and a lot of times that is the very reason that it's being used in a lot of these situations and biblical scenes. But talk to us a bit more about this path through some of your big discoveries and your dissertation which is a big part of it. Yeah so I wrote a dissertation on Roman pharmacy and my committee told me they wouldn't pass me unless I took out the chapter on recreational drugs. Everything else was fine, but the recreational drugs was a problem. Here's what the real problem was...

05:25 The head of the department told me they just wouldn't do such a thing, right? That was the academic response. The Romans just wouldn't do such a thing like take recreational drugs so I took it out of my dissertation in order to pass and then sent it on to St Martin's Press and they wanted to publish it immediately What's the secret? There is a store. There is cash, there is a treasury of ancient documents that have not been translated they have been overlooked Why because they're mostly scientific in nature right these are physicians these are physicians like Galen and they have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages their thousands in Galen alone

06:15 of pharmaceutical texts that nobody wants to touch. For example, the biggest one of those is called The Antidotes and it's by Galen and it's about 200 pages And you have to remember that Galen is the personal body physician of Marcus Aurelius Now a lot of geeks out there are gonna go Oh! Marcus Aurelius oh the meditations ooh and they're gonna get all hot and heavy Did you know that Marcus Aurelius was one of the biggest drug users on the planet? We know that because Galen is the one who has to fill all his prescriptions. He has to be able to create this theriac for him and he keeps complaining, Galen complains look this guy's dosage of opium is skyrocketing it's just getting higher and higher but people are noticing

07:04 He looks good and he's mentally with it still, and he looks good. And he is healthy." People are asking what are you giving him Galen? This is imperial sources we have a source on the inside that talks about Nero What's that guy's name? Oh its Galen again and he preserving Nero's arch physician. The Nero's Arch Physician is handing over a formula, a Theriac Right? And what's it for, it's for something called the black death. So in ancient drug practice right

07:40 You know, they have this dote-antidote approach to drugs from a lot of research. And they're using Greg not only the plants right? They're fumigating themselves with cannabis right that's probably an ascidian thing That's just the tip of the iceberg The drug combos that they are using They are using psychotropic stuff that will turn you into a raving lunatic but thats what they want Right? That's part of the treatment, believe it or not. It treats depression. Makes somebody turn into a raging maniac So these sources are all in there and classicists don't translate them You know There is this wonderful source called Philumenus And he wrote about just the snakes and scorpions and spiders Everything you can get high on He is writing about it Nobody translates that stuff

08:33 It's too much science. In addition, you know... My God man! When you add 50 some plants together in animal parts and concoct this thing that you then combine with this formula called the Black Death or Medea's Fire right? Why would you do that well it's part of a medical ritual initiation You know that's the world we're talking about That anthropology is completely overlooked Because nobody wants to consider ancient drug use. And when you get into the ancient drug use, you get pulled into the sex as well. You're pulled into the cult right? The orgasm on that orgasm is where the orgy comes from. The orgy is just the ritual rights just it's down and out communion and so people don't want to study that stuff

09:29 But we do, and so that's what I bring to the fore. And it ruffles feathers. People don't realize that Christ is a drug term on Lady Babylon. I show people this... By the way, I'm not monetized. I refuse to be because I'm not doing this for money or position or power any kind of glory. Right? I'm doing it up to honor those sources, those texts. So I talk about this with my students and I teach people Greek Right? Ancient Greek is a discipline. It takes a lot of devotion, commitment... So anywho I'm running on but that's where i come from. I come from approaching those texts that are there That we have that nobody pays attention to Thousands of pages this stuff Greg. Thousands of the craziest drug stuff! I can tell you stories that wouldn't imagine. I know you can

10:24 Alright so for people listening we jumped over the phone because the audio quality wasn't quite there but you said a lot of really interesting things they're specially no marcus or really yes and his doctor feel good like that term has been used many times for people in power we know about hitler and his use of math if he's ever seen that video of him sitting at the olympics grinding is tea. You also make a good point about ancient physicians and their texts, and then you have biblical texts. The scholars of these things are totally separate. Biblical scholars are not reading ancient physician's text or pharmacology books in Greek. They're just not. But yet in the ancient world people aren't really separating spirituality and

11:13 medicine or drug use i mean healing and medicine it is kind of intertwined there's a venn diagram there that almost looks like a circle but We are not immune to thinking that in the ancient world they were using alcohol and wine is a big part of the Bible. Maybe this is some stronger stuff, like why is it so weird to say that some stronger compounds would be in the mix? Maybe the wine itself sometimes is psychoactive based on the way it was made. There's all kinds of stories about fermentation being way, way, way stronger or If it's done the wrong way, it becomes psychoactive. So this is the ancient world man like

11:55 I think at all time depths, people are using drugs. Look at any indigenous culture look at shamanism it's a weird assumption that they were all just sober all the time we have all these stories of visitations by angels yes sometimes they're woken up in their beds that's a match for modern paranormal encounters but then other times its like why do we assume that just this guy is walking down the street sober and an angel comes to him maybe he took something and then had a communion with the spirit. It's really not that hard for me to believe on the drug front, I've been on that page for awhile but if we were to talk about the thing that really got us connected...I got an email from someone you tutored

12:42 who really brought up the other side of the coin, the child abuse stuff and said what if I told you Jesus's apostles were teenage boys and Jesus was a child trafficker? That got my attention right off the bat. He said interview someone that could bring the science into facts why was Jesus arrested in a public park at 4am with a naked boy it's in the Bible Mark chapter 14 verse 51 & 52 And this is essentially the breadcrumb that led us to talking today. Elaborate on this for us because I'm sure it's new to a lot of people, it was definitely new to me!

13:21 Yeah, Mark 14 51 and 52 Jesus was arrested with a naked kid. And on that kids private part was wrapped in medicated bandage. It seemed to them they're using an antiquity to impregnate these things with drugs it's just the linen strip Right? And they impregnate it with drugs. And it was on his genitalia, as would be in a mystery rite! So when Jesus stands up people don't realize it because they do not read the Bible and that's what I used to tell my seminarian students. Don't come here and quote King James you don't read the Bible You've never read it It is in Greek

14:03 And anywho, that's how you kick over a Greek program and make them get to work. So Christ the term Christ is the pharmaceutical term that term Christ is used back as far as Aeschylus talking about Prometheus bringing the Christian drugs to humanity now what are they talking about anthropologically these are things that you create their little salves and ointments that you put into the eyes or up the rectum hey now That's a Christ-themed drug. So Jesus is with this naked kid, with his bandage on his private parts in the public park at 4am He's got three of His boys watching for Him guarding for Him Right? The apostles! Nobody questions how old are the apostles We think they were all bearded men No They were teenagers

14:58 That's what students are in antiquity. They were teenagers and he found them all when they were, you know look at where he got James and John? They're sitting on the boat with their dad and he's like come with me! And they leave their families and go off and get recognized later by female prostitutes that girl that recognizes Jesus She's a female prostitute, right? Underage prostitute. She is the one who recognizes Peter, right? One of the boys from Galilee So what does Jesus say when he is in the garden...in the Bible What does Jesus say when Roman forces show up and they're heavily armed like a SWAT unit

15:51 The text says they went to apprehend him and he said, I am not a laestes. That word laestes in Greek means trafficker right? You might want to think pirate these are people who organize crime that abducts and then sells underage people. We have Greeks who mourn these pirates because they come and steal their children, right? Julius Caesar is pissed off about it, right? It's a big problem in the Mediterranean! It's so bad that he gets abducted... you know? And anyway, he goes back and kills them all but piracy is a huge huge deal the human trafficking

16:37 It's terrible in antiquity. Those three guys they crucified with Jesus in the middle, they're all labeled as traffickers right? There's a reason that Jesus raises his hand and said I am not a laic deis when the heavy-armed soldiers show up so yeah! The context of the drugs it's all over the text you can't say Christ without a drug context. So people are surprised, Greg I can tell you about all the different rituals that are being used and implemented just on the medical side it's fantastic! It's great knowledge too their knowledge of pharmacology was remarkable it looks like it developed in the late bronze age yes there's a lot of great stuff I hope we can get on the record here in the time

17:33 One situation a little more it's fitting that we're recording this not long after Easter because the whole Easter narrative kicks off with Jesus being arrested and Judas is talking with the authorities, and he's like hey You're gonna know the one you need to arrest cuz I'm gonna go up and kiss him. You know that alone It seemed weird to me even when I was young can I just say that word? uses an intensified form So that word is not just kiss. That word is to make out he walks up and gives Jesus a mouth kiss Okay, right so your instinct it's not off in the Greek so the I guess King James Version I just looked up an online version of the Bible because I didn't have any idea what Mark chapter 14 verses 51 and 52 was about but it does say

18:26 And a certain young man followed him with a linen cloth cast about his naked body and the young men seized him. But he, leaving the linen cloth behind him fled from them naked." So that is the sanitized version we have. It still mentions a naked boy running away, and when they find Jesus he's just with this naked kid. And in the original text you're saying it's much more explicit—the mouth kiss and the lestes term meaning trafficker so He says hey I'm not doing anything I'm not a child trafficker, guys. Don't worry about this situation." And then of course the story kicks off from there and he gets crucified but that initial meeting of the authorities in Jesus is a little more unsavory than we might know i guess

19:17 Yeah and it's very carefully kinda the translations that are crafted because you notice how it sounds like this kid maybe wrapped in linen, this kid maybe has some kind of Linden briefs on. This kid maybe has some kinda linen clothing on if you go through all the English translations to that thing you're gonna laugh. All it says in the Greek is that, that sindon is epigoumnon and that means it's on his privates on his naked parts right? And it falls off when the authorities get there to arrest him and the kid runs off naked but he says explicitly its epigounnos. That kid is not wrapped! He didn't

20:03 He does not have underwear. He has a penis wrap using a cloth that I can tell you, 1,000 different medical sources use constantly! It's not like a hidden object but Christians don't read anything outside of the New Testament even their New Testament scholars. I got to tell you something as a classifist And this is kind of naughty, but as a classicist we laugh at biblical scholars all the time. All the time! Because the whole subject everything we're talking about has to be accessed via the ancient Greek and if you can't handle that ancient Greek because you haven't read Homer Pindar Hesiod you haven't read Sophocles and Aeschylus don't try to jump on a text

20:57 All seminarians do is they just rely on the previous generation's translation, and they just memorize it for rote. And their biblical scholars are garbage! Garbage! I went to the head of Dallas Seminary, Dr. John Walvord, and I said what's going on with your program? The Greek is weak because I was a classicist. I came into it with a bachelor's degree in classics. And by that point, I was reading freely on my own and the answer was Dallas Seminary is just not what it used to be right? So I left. This level of technical expertise blows but this is the problem in religious studies departments and general lit department if you don't have the languages you got jacked

21:47 Right right i agree with that it comes up in many different contexts we talk to some scholars who, make connections between modern high strangeness paranormal alien encounters what we put in that box today and they go back and they look at original sources for some of the miracles of the saints in this thing modders in the visitation of angels near like way wait wait. This is a lot stranger than it's depicted later on when you look up with the stained glass window and you see a payload, winged angel meeting with so-and-so. No, no the original story is like a crazy flying saucer type thing shooting some beam at a guy like that's what the original says and it doesn't surprise me that this kind of morphing of a translation this game of telephone happens in a lot of other contexts as well but just to talk more about this Jesus has the original Epstein thing we

22:50 Can't really make such a claim based on just one chapter and verse I mean, I know we talked about the fact that he does hang around with prostitutes and lowlifes and sinners But that was always contextualized as well. He's trying to help these people and save them And he's trying to go down to the lower classes and say hey these are people too not necessarily partake in their unsavory behavior but what more can we say like you make a good point about the apostles Yeah, they are always depicted again later depictions verse the original the depictions are bearded men But yet we know they probably weren't and to play devil's advocate there One thing people could say is that life was just shorter Everyone was younger than we think Marcus Aurelius was 17 when he was made Emperor so them being young Isn't exactly weird. It doesn't exactly

23:46 suggest something untoward, but what more would you look at when it comes to Jesus overall and the apostles in the whole big picture to build a case like hey no this is uh...a lot darker than people realize he's not person he's presented as to the people who follow the faith Yeah, you just slap them in the face with science to wake them out of the religious fairy tale. Right? So you talk about – listen to the argument that you just proposed right? Oh maybe people didn't live as long. Maybe I sprout wings and fly like a fairy too! No no let's keep science here in our realm

24:31 They are talking about very specific things, including drugs. Drugs all over the place! When you bring your angels into it, you still haven't left the history and I'll just show you that by asking one question What Greg did to the sons of God who came into the daughters of men in Enoch? What did they teach those daughters of men What did these great angels, these great angeloi and by the way these documents are all in Greek right? The Giza fragments have this. So in the Greek what do they teach what do these angels teach to these women? They teach them the arts of the pharmakon

25:15 They teach them the arts of the drug. It's in the text, it's what is being passed on! This is old Bronze Age text that's just filtering itself through the Mediterranean cultures So what about Jesus? Is there any other evidence about him being involved? Look, there are two avenues here full of evidence and one avenue is the kiddie connection right and the other avenue is the drug connection And what unites both of these is the mystery. It's the mystery, so let me explain this is gorgeous I'm sorry Jesus but I gotta tell people I love you man but I got to tell people So lets start with the kitties do you remember when Jesus gets in trouble for touching kitties and the people are like hey don't touch my kids

26:09 And he's like, oh scandal. You scandalized me in the gospel right? That was all about now you translate that as putting on of hands and all of a sudden when you say that it gives Jesus a pass but the text doesn't say that right? Even the colloquial expression of putting on of the hand, it comes from verb hapto and that's grabby. That's also the word used for molestation so in the incident when Jesus' disciples you know are like hey Jesus this is right before they're out on the boat and they're all screaming the kids are all screaming and Jesus was asleep right and gets up calms the storm

26:55 references that are mysteries, mystery references that link the kiddies that he's touching and scandalizing with the religion. The practice of the religion so there is an ancient text that people have said this thing cannot be authentic it's categorized as pseudo clemency Basically what we have to do is follow Jesus to the tombs. Whenever you see him in tombs with children, raising them from the dead... know that there's a drug works in the background. This is called drug work, okay? We have a whole corpus of material, the PGM which my advisor was one of the translators of, the Papyri Graeca Magi Cai, the Greek magical papyrus and if you want to follow one of these little mystery rites, you can follow the Mithraic liturgy and it will guide you through preparation of drugs and the performance of initiation

27:57 right? The drug is always up front, right. You know the drugs you don't have the mystery all right. The word Christ is a drug term. The earliest Christ that we have is a woman named Medea who is inventing the mystery right. A historical person it's first time we get a reference to it is to Medea she's a bronze age queen in modern-day Georgia Anyhow, what else do we have with Jesus? We have Pseudo-Clement. What does Pseudo-Clement say? It purports to be a letter in which the redacted portions of Mark are discussed and you say wait a minute there were redacted portions of Mark well so the text claims and what was in one of these redactions what was in one of these removals excisions from mark it was Jesus meeting this

28:50 this rich young kid in a cemetery says the kid falls for Jesus, asks him to spend the night with them and Jesus puts him through this ceremony which includes some sexual activity right? And purportedly the text says this stuff can't be distributed to the masses. This is just for the special people, right? The people who are deeper into the religion this is just for them so that rite with the boy in the cemetery Nobody should be shocked at that within the classical framework, right? This is not surprising. This is not something that is odd to have this practice go on but there's all sorts of drug references that people don't see in the New Testament as well when Jesus was on a cross, right he's hanging there and what's He doing? He's screaming I'm thirsty! I'm thirsty, right?!

29:52 And they offer him something on a sponge which they call oxus, the vinegar. It's called vinegar. Well if you know any of the pharmacological stuff and you can find this in the Geoponica, The antidote for the mystery drug that uses the deep sauce what they call in Greek deep sauce that's a horned viper from North Africa it causes you extreme thirst when you're on its venom. And we have an ancient author named Nonas who says everybody knows that vinegar they gave Jesus was the antidote to the dipsass, so once again we have a drug reference that places Jesus squarely within a cultic ritual that involves kids and why do they use I mean Galen talks about the antidotes that you can derive from

30:51 This is what people don't understand. The pharmacology in antiquity is what I call polypharmaceutical, right? It's polyvalent so they are not just thinking about discovering drugs that are simple, that you can give to a person. They're talking about creating compounds that you give to a person so the person becomes the manufacturer of the drug. That is what communion is! Originally it's a woman's blood

31:28 that we are consuming. It's your blood and flesh that are the right, right? So when that naked kid, when that naked boy is with Jesus he's harvesting pre-pubertal Galen describes it Pre-Pubertal Ejaculate And he describes it what it looks like He puts in the same category as we put The milk of girls who were entering puberty This collected for religious reasons, right? You know you can take a seven-year old girl in antiquity. You can make lateral slits on her arm. You can bandage those with a concoction of venoms

32:15 that you give her on a chronic basis and over time she will develop differently. And her milk can be harvested as an antidote to the potion that puts us into the mystery death state So you have to have that milk, whatever it is. I asked a toxinologist about that and he said probably antibodies or something because a lot of those snake venoms they'll react as steroids. They'll react as hormones and you get prolactin like we know the viper produces prolaxin response in a person can kick that off so hey

32:59 Maybe there was something going on. You know, it gets so specific Galen says people try to ask us how do we come up with this knowledge? Right how do we know these complex remedies he said there's been a lot of experimentation on people mostly criminals but we also for example use roosters right they'll use roosters through their experiments on he says that's how you can tell if your antidote actually works you give Give the antidote and administer the poison. And if you don't get the same response, then you're in good shape." So they're doing a lot of good research in antiquity. I mean poor roosters right? But they're doing a lot of research, criminals we do not care about. Right so let me just jump in here You're giving us a lot information and I don't want us to run out of time in this first hour before getting into some of the other things on my list but

33:49 Jesus is one thing you know the story of jesus whatever a lot of people don't even think he should be taken that literally a lot of people don't even think jesus was a real person i think this new context is interesting but what's even more interesting is the foundation of christianity and catholicism being about child abuse because thats still with us today and that is a case that I really want to have you make. So let me read you a quote, or the people a quote from your book Original Sin that will help make this case. You write, The sodomizing of young children by the Christian clergy is a practice as old as the Catholic Church itself. Most people today believe that the gruesome activities of priest pedophiles are an unfortunate reality of a religious hierarchy that promotes celibacy and deters its priests from experiencing any form of sexual pleasure."

34:42 However, child abuse in the Church is profoundly institutional. From the earliest centuries of Christianity, priests, elders, monks and bishops established, promoted and defended the ritual rape of young boys. Child abuse is not an accident of church history—it is an integral foundational component of Christianity. In a strange twist of history, the first rape of children by Christian priests was a means of asserting political and social dominance over pagan religions that venerated the beauty of sexual attraction. And it does get pretty wild, but talk to us about this and the original process of exorcism which is what I think you're referring to with that last statement. This goes into the process that we know of as exorcism and the battle for the culture with pagans

35:38 Yeah, the burning off of that child's mortality is what it was originally referred to as a mystery process. Right? You're causing the child to enter into a state in which you can apply what they call the fires of that transformation and all you got to do is you have to be possessed right this is all possession remember this is older pagan tech that people are harnessing and altering, right? The drugs don't work unless the biochemistry is there. Right so the mystery is stable it's like a physically stable thing works but it requires the child and why is that because look

36:26 The cup is of a specific age because of the chemicals it can produce. So what is the tradition behind this? It's all the Herculean mystery with the boy and the Ganymede, right? They called it drinking from Ganymede so Ganymede is the young beautiful boy that belongs to Zeus and Zeus uses him as his cup of nectar. Right? There's all these priapiac Roman poems about this activity, and how it is a practice, how it is a mystery. So when we come up against all of the boys that are in the New Testament—and we have to say are they using the very same terminology in Greek—the mystery religions, the pagan mystery religions are yes

37:17 In other words, from the very beginning this practice of as you said exercising which is how it's described but remember exorcism is a thousand years older than this. Right? The Romans even practiced the form of where you bring out the divinity from the city before you attack the city right so its all based on possession. The tech is all possessive, it's all posessive tech So that priest, father, bishop leader figure has to be able to employ that tech. What happens? You have a ritual where the priest becomes possessed by the devil and offers the kid sodomy forcefully. It's at that point they say that the kid can refuse the sin

38:07 Right? He can refuse it despite the fact that he's undergoing it. He can rebuke it and if the kid rebukes, you know that his soul is saved now they extended this process and the Romans started arresting people especially in Alexandria And it was for taking orphans off the street and putting them through these Christian initiations and you're gonna say huh What right don't be surprised It's in the Bible Half of the New Testament is combating these practices, right? Followers of the way of Cain. What are they doing? Paul's having problems, right? Paul who is immune to snake venom has problems with this, right? He took Jesus serious when he said you know this is all tech, snake tech that we're going to use, right? You're gonna be immune to this shit well they are! Paul is people are visibly recognizing that he's got that immunity

39:04 They knew what that meant, right? They're not in a vacuum. Everybody thinks Christianity popped into existence in the vacuum. No it didn't! It's part of history so yeah where do you want me to focus this I'm just saying well it's a tangled web for sure and the idea that pedo inclinations are built right into religious rituals is not new. It reminds me of the moil using his mouth to remove a circumcised foreskin they still do that today as crazy as it sounds so

39:44 This stuff. I mean it is in there then there's a lot of weird stuff even in my childhood I was like one of the only friends only guys in the group who wasn't an altar boy and the altar boy relationship always seemed weird to me too And you can imagine it gets even more unsavory if you go way way far back, and you're pulling orphans off The street now they're the little pet sidekick of the priest It's creepy stuff but you had Mention queen media and you've talked about snake venom i wanted to ask you about medusa because we all know about the snake haired woman the mythology of the demon lady medusa but when i hear you talk about where this.

40:32 comes from it's really, really wild. But apparently the oracles, the Greek oracles who also were probably doing their rituals through drug use had body guards and they were called the Medusa as well talk to us about the role of the Medusa how a Medusa was trained and kind of created and how it all got wrapped up in this symbolism we know today Yeah, when you're talking Medusa you gotta switch your frame of reference to the Black Sea. You've gotta think about horse cultures. You've gotta think about Chalcolithic peoples that the Greeks called the Pelasgians who are horse cultures that really center on the use of bows as hunters right? These are hunters this is where if you go to the Keresones and if you go to the Black Sea today and travel up north

41:26 You're gonna find an area of the world where the Bronze Age tech was building this pharmacology. And these people have aeropoisons that they use, that are paralytic and they're portrayed as being awfully friendly with snakes. Within their rights they carry around a basket and that basket has a bunch of snakes and dildos in it Okay, and these huntresses have religions where you have to perform human sacrifice. Human sacrifice is part of it.

42:06 In these tribes, in these Scythian dominant tribes there are laws like a woman can't marry until she kills three men. Right? There are societies of just women very famously historically one of them is the Amazonians and when you say Amazonian everybody thinks myth no no no there's graveyards in Athens right of the people that died fighting these tribes of kick-ass women Who had to kill three men before they got mating rights and what are mating right you hunt down your mail and you.

42:43 induce chemically with drugs, the ones that cause you to have an erection. They call it satirizes on the medical side in the ancient medical text right? It's forced direction they're using things like Spanish fly and they're administering it anally and causing... And that's how you reap! That's how you reap the seed from the dude and the pack of women do this And then if they have a child, a male child we're told our historical sources tell us. They have a male child they'll eat it or they'll just abandon it you know and the Greeks can pick another take it to the temple have them adopted by the temple they do that kind of stuff too it happens all the time but that's the text that we're talking about and that's where the Medusa comes from that poison that she applies to her hair

43:36 is what feeds the bows that she then uses. The Scythian archers are so prominent, even the Athenians are using them in their kind of police force right? And what's funny is the whole history of Athens is shaped around one virgin girl and that virgin girl raises a child that is half snake you know...a king that is half snake, half human. It's funny to read about these processes just the chronic administration of viper venom is what really drives a lot of this because you make when you're doing this you transform a person so these medusae which is the same root linguistically as medwa

44:26 or Medea, which is Medea's name. It's that med root in Latin. Medeor just means to apply medicines or drugs it doesn't mean to heal it means to apply drugs so these Medusa are notorious we see them depicted in Euripides Iphigenia at Taurus The great goddess Diana is called Tauropolis and she is the one who administers the human sacrifice. She's the one who does that this is the region that is using these drugs to enter into states whether for health or for what you and I would call religion, they're producing these women and in Euripides' play

45:15 It's notorious that their feathered arrows can take you out. They'll freeze you on the spot, You don't have to worry about putting your criminals in chains when they're in front of the priestess because of the Medusae that will cause them to enter into a mental state that incapacitates them. They're using the same weapon in war right? The Romans had the hardest time against these eastern horse-centered cultures. They have a real problem with them because they can shoot one dude with an arrow, and that dude will go nuts and it'll take a group of people around him to restrain him right? So there you've taken out four or five soldiers, and they can ride at a gallop facing backwards on a horse and shooting an arrow so there's nothing you could do against these people

46:06 It's overwhelming tech. And not only that, but Madea develops a combustible fire basically a jelly that burns and you can't put it out no matter how much water you put on it doesn't go out so it's this kind of tech that's bringing out these positions like the Medusa if you trace that linguistically by the way its got a diagamma in it and that diagram is coming from much older Mycenaean Greek where we have the worship of Dionysus already established in like 1600 BC. So this is old, old mania-inducing stuff. Right it's a lot of interesting material and as I was kind of preparing for this you know i'm looking at Greeks and half snake people and apparently the origin of the term Gemini

47:01 was a species of half-human, half snakes originating in Athens during the reign of Seraps who you were talking about. Another one who is said to be a strange creature, half man and half snake and it's weird because you're like well is that a literal half man half snake? No! It probably is something lost in translation probably a lot closer to what you're talking about which does make a lot of sense The association of these women who, you know, charm snakes and extract their venom and use them as a poison in a toxin. This makes a lot of sense then we're invoking this sort of symbolism even as recent as like Britney Spears carrying a snake in a bikini like this is deep in the psyche I believe but

47:52 When it comes to Medusa, I've also heard you say that this association with scaly skin and grape-like breasts is in the mix too. Where does that come from? Is that like the training and process of creating a Medusa assassin does involve some pharmacology as well? Yeah, you know there's going to be effects of using that venom chronically. And apparently you do something to their optic nerve too because they get day blindness so they have to be in dark areas right? They only work within that interior the temple because they need the darkness Right! The temple and the cave cause a lot of the oracles would live in caves before temples were constructed

48:35 Correct correct matter of fact everything is coming from the cave ultimately I was at one of these places in Thrace and had four these giant pillars They look like penises set up in front of the cave And this is where she, The Oracle, was divinely inspired. So they're doing this stuff...I mean This is old old old practices and you can look at an author like Nonas for example You know, he wrote the longest Greek epic. Nobody reads it right? And it's really really hard Greek It's like a nine or ten Greek scale But you know it's manageable and in it He talks at length about the development and uses of these poisons that are coming from the arrows What happens to the person right look at all of the milkers That he talks about all of the divine virgins

49:31 that are offering that milk of life right remember jesus at the well he's all like if you wanted i could have given you the water of life baby right and he's all getting his gangster on so remember that this is a part right when you're talking about the medwa the myth prime for the medusa is that she is the virgin priestess who becomes violated by the divinity. You know, there's a sexual... The whole thing with Jesus, the later Christ right? There's a sexual thing between a virgin mother and a divinity this process is an actual ritual when we have apocryphal texts that talk about Mary whose fingers are stained with the purple people don't realize oh what is the purple

50:25 The purple is an organized crime consortium that pushes the use of the purple in society. And we use the purple, which what is the purple? The purple is a little substance you get from these mollusks that live in the sea and they're being processed in the Mediterranean by certain people Particularly, they're being transported and sold by Phoenicians. It's a big trade in the Phoenicians! Why do the Phoenicians call themselves Phoenicians? Because it means purple. Why did the Pelasgians call themselves Pelasgian? Because it means purple

51:05 How about the Punic? Oh God, you mean it's there too. Yeah it's a huge industry in the ancient world this purple trade and it turns out you can take the purple and you can turn it-you can add elements to it and end up having a compound that they call the burning purple that's what Medea has has developed and you can find just go to okay if you want a land somewhere and say okay where's the evidence? Just go to the pharmaceutical side. And just go to Dioscorides, and look up The Purple and see how they're using it there right it's not a fairy tale it's not a phantasm it's an actual relic from history

51:52 The drugs, you know you can't because drugs either work or they don't. You can't fake them in the ancient world Galen says how do we have so much knowledge? Well it's because it's practical and drugs that don't work get weeded out of the system right you don't get results they weed themselves out So when you and I eat Beaver perianal gland for our headaches you know it works we do it because it worked and we know it works because beavers eat willow bark that's got salicylic acid in it. It's aspirin dude um ancient aspirin right now how they figured out how to eat beaver perianobland I don't know but it means they must have been eating a lot right and it turns out there's a group of Christians called the Ophites what are the Ophites eats? The Ophites eat semen

52:48 Right? Don't you understand the semen transfers that power. If I am a Mithras and i'm a Roman soldier, if I'm an officer, I'm digging a pit in the ground, I'm grabbing my six best looking underlings and we're going in there! And do you know what they're gonna do to me?! They are gonna collect communion Templars are doing the same thing. You can lick the purple paint of the Templar, right? And they're showing this in a trial. This is how the initiates enter into the worship of Baphomet or she who baptizes through Matthiah. That's the Etruscan word for Medea. Yeah let me step in here because you just said something I hadn't heard you say and it is really interesting we've talked about the Templar trial and the mysteries and Baphomet

53:40 And it's usually presented as, oh well this demon told us to kiss each other's assholes so we just did it because its so taboo and such a sin against God. That is the context of that religious purity that you know kind of came later or they were trying to instill in society but your saying no there was more practical reason to do that because when you take certain compounds I guess they secrete from the body in that area and then like you can get a psychedelic effect. Yeah, when you have people like I think it was Cyril who's caught coming out of the cemetery with the prostitutes and it says that there is drizzling down his bottom a drug look they're getting jacked in rights and one of the ways to get jacked is to apply an alabasterin baby

54:39 What can you do your oil this thing up in the shower and the bomb right now but in the bar why'd you think. The good stuff is expensive by the way to that's what mary magdalene all the boys are like how much money was she doing wasting the money, It's because it takes a lot to craft something that you can put onto a dildo and apply to someone and cause them to enter an altered state. Right? It's expensive medicine do that, there is a lot of therapy though, a lot people could benefit from getting their genitalia slapped by stained metals while, you know we open up all these ancient mysteries. We walk into Pompeii and we see the mysteries on the wall being formed and people are beating each other what are they beating that young girl for?

55:31 It's a part of the drug culture. It's a part of the mystery, it's part of the religion and there is this group of Ophite Christians who are capitalizing on what the Roman Mithrists already know that you can pass a drug through your body and even if the Templars are applying it and it says that we're staining their garments That baptism, that word baptism. You and I hear that we think evangelical dudes sitting in tubs you know or somewhere in the river or we think Catholic dudes with a little baby and little sprinkling saying it looks like a child's toy you know what I mean? But that baptism originally comes from the process of dying It has nothing to do with religious groups

56:21 mantric, you know dogma. This is baptism this is... No! It's a process of dying right? And they're using those dies in a medical and religious context. Yes There's so many things I want to talk to you about. Let's try and stick the landing of this first hour with this, So yeah...I definitely have speculated for a long time that the wine in the cracker of the Catholic Church today was probably stuff that was much much stronger in the old day And then you get the chanting in the church The ritual chanting and you get the stained glass windows That probably start to move a little bit look a little psychedelic It really does seem like

57:05 a different form of shamanism, the same sort of stuff you see in indigenous cultures. So, I guess what I wanted to ask you is your opinion of these practices. You seem like to have a tone that's kind of down on them – not child abuse but just the drug use part of it. Do you think the use of psychoactive drugs diminishes what we consider the abilities of the oracles? Because to me it just does sound more like shamanism and I consider a lot of these rituals valid.

57:42 born again, death and rebirth ritual. Well I think the Egyptians were doing a lot of that and a lot of it is to prepare you for death so you can kind of have a simulated death experience and then your kinda reborn thinking oh i know there's more after death im not worried about this life you cant control me in this life I think theres alot of value in that sort of stuff but when you find out that drugs are inducing alot of this does it make it seem illusionary to you or does it seem like a valid mechanism to have an experience that's transformative, to communicate with spirits on the other side? To use the abilities of the Oracles to gain insight about the future or this that and the other. What do you think?"

58:27 Dr. Justin Marchegiani Yeah, perfect question it doesn't seem out of order when you track it through the physicians when you go down to the point that you know they're saying look you can give somebody these initiatory drugs then do satirizes right that constant erection while the person is going through a mania while they're going through a fury you can give that to them but you can't take it beyond seven days if you do the personal die right you'd max him out and he'll die When we talk about people dying from this stuff, then you get into the craft of what are the drug combos that are keeping people alive. The heart of the mystery is the death and resurrection of the person when you're brought back. You know somebody like a Cicero travels east and goes through the right in elusives comes back and says

59:23 You haven't lived until you have been through this process. You're not born again, you don't understand it right? So when they talk about medically look-you can put person into such a deep state of death with a sonosimone they call them Sonosima right those are drugs that induce a death state this is how they're looking at it you know this is their native approach you can give somebody these drugs that induce the death state to such an extent that a normal observer cannot detect the heartbeat. Now, if you've got the Theriac on board, the beast that bears up the cup of Lady Babylon... If you've got the Theriac on board then you can bring the person back from this state they'll be able to come back for some reason

1:00:17 Within the mystery in order to resurrect the great queen right now they refer to it no resurrected great queen. You have to put somebody into this orgasmic death and then bring them back when you do there a new person, add different oracles have different ways of doing that one of my personal favorite the Beoshen Oracle of Trophonius, they drop you. They give you the drugs and starve you for like seven days which by the way Christians do the same thing. They starve you for a certain number of days it puts you through these rites where your repeating images over and over again and then they give me the drugs and drop you into a cave that's full venomous snakes! And there is a pathway out but you gotta find it in the dark

1:01:11 Right? So it's almost as if they're inducing this process of entering death and coming back, just like the mystery is doing. Just like they're doing at Eleusis! But...and this is what is really curious, is that the person who comes out of it has described a colloquial expression, you look like you've come from Trifonius which means you look like you are in utter panic They induce this process through panic. We don't understand this because we don't approach the pharmacology or the medicine from this angle in order to cast out a person's demons, you gotta make them crazy right? You've gotta take them to that extreme and it's only when their psyche is in a state of orgasmic psychosis

1:02:04 that they're able to cross that dark star. Claudine refers to it as the Dark Star and bringing about that process of seeing the real, because you know we're just a reflection reality. That's the reasoning so oh my god its elegant! Yeah yeah everything your saying makes alot of sense to me I know i gotta let you go here in a minute. I just wanted to at least fold-in the elevator pitch for the book of yours we didn't talk about, Hermaphrodites, Gynomorphs and Jesus She-Male Gods and the Roots of Christianity We've had other guests talk about priestly castration and Mithraic cults a little bit that the modern day

1:02:53 trans situation kind of mirrors an old religious thing that was going on. I just can't imagine self castration as any kind of thing I would ever be convinced to do, but give us the elevator pitch before I let you go for this other book that you have. Yeah if you want to see some Castrated boys do their things you need to go to the Syrian goddess and you need to go back to the great mother. Greg, you mentioned the Romans. You know they're really state-oriented right? No doubt no doubt but you know they're also preserving the worship of Bonadea and what is Bonadea that means 12 000 women from the community get together and they all bring dildos and what they do together in that giant place where nobody is allowed who doesn't have a vagina

1:03:54 And people are always trying to get into it. And they get in trouble, man you can get executed for that for trying to infiltrate Bonidea but the noises that they make coming out of these worship services it makes me think they're doing something communally with those dildos right? So remember when Rome gets in trouble this is like 205 they send an ambassador to the Oracle and they ask her at Delphi they're like hey what do we do here Things are not looking good. We're about to get ravaged by that Punic guy, what's his name? Bannibal something like that Hannibal yeah that's it and what do we do about it and her advice to them was to import the worship of The Great Mother which they did! And part of the worship of The Great Mother Greg is cutting off your testicles right if you're a 10 year old boy

1:04:46 And you sense the call and you've been fumigated, and you're in that world where you understand what that means. You cut off...You do it publicly during a festival right? This is the cool thing! You do it publicly during the festival. You walk up there use your sacred knife and cut off your testicles. And you take those testicles and throw them into somebody's house right? And that person whose house you threw your nuts into is gonna supply you with women's clothing, and you are going to take up the worship of the Great Mother. Now, Ctholis, the first century Roman who is writing about this says he switches midstream right as soon as the kid cuts off his testicles, he switches to she. He starts using the pronoun she

1:05:36 No problem. There's no debate, there's not a bunch of evangelicals on the other side of the fence saying you can't do that I'm not going to use your pronouns Right? They got none of that! There is no resistance whatsoever Why? Because they imported the worship of The Great Mother And if you'll notice from that point on, they kicked Punic ass and they went on to spread all over the Mediterranean. It's the time of their flourishing when they did that so don't think the Romans are too distant from that Eastern religion and you asked about the Catholics That stuff just barely trickles in it barely trickles into through the Latin into the Catholic mystery as well

1:06:23 Remember, Jesus was walking around. Anybody who's a Christian today who worships Jesus? I'm telling you he was walking around saying, you know eunuchs are not necessarily the worst thing in the world He even brings it up in a conversation with his children as boys. Oh, he always calls them is little kids, right? You know when is somebody going to read the Bible and see that Jesus was calling his disciples little children all the time. Right and they're asking him they're like what do we think about women and he says well you know some eunuchs make themselves eunuchs and some eunuchs are made for the sake of the kingdom of God little Peter.

1:07:04 It's part of their practicing and I think it has to do because that's what you want to know. You want to know about a castration, did you know that when your castrated your chemical platform changes so that you as a dispenser the seed are in a different place than somebody who is uncastrated right? And just because you're castrated does not mean you're not having sex it just means you're not producing away to cause pregnancy so in rome they're not looking away totally that's got laws that you know the try to deal with this how does a roman matron is forty and hot, i'm ready to go baby what she just got a seventy year old senator husband. What did she do oh well there are ways and catalysts knows these ways right he's part of the aristocracy

1:08:02 When I talk about Galen using imperial libraries to get his information, that's exactly what we're building on the Roman side. We're building an aristocratic access to these compound drugs that have incredible and marvelous effects. And who knows? Maybe the Greeks were right. Maybe they even treat cancer because Galen says in one circumstance that one of these concoctions kills cancerous growths on the skin and he uses another altered form of this in the treatment of breast cancer. He talks about opening up the breast, putting this seal in there and then closing it off and he says that just makes the growth go away so you know maybe there's something there as well maybe there's some science to the fact that the symbol of medicine is a snake

1:08:56 I believe that there's so much we don't know and i appreciate you enlightening us to a small fraction of it. This has been really interesting, I like unique takes and I certainly don't hear about this ancient pharmacology or pedo-jesus very often but really great work anything to leave people with regarding your website? You mentioned Lady Babylon that is the name of your YouTube channel But tell people where they can follow up and any future projects you might be working on. Yeah, I have an unmonetized YouTube channel called Lady Babylon 666 And if you go to the live talks we meet once a week live and all i do is throw up Greek sources right? And show people how crazy You know I was teaching people about Christ just a couple of weeks ago

1:09:48 It's good stuff, it's all the sexy stuff that they don't want you to corrupt yourself with. Like the head of the department telling me, Romans just wouldn't do such a thing right? That showed me exactly how much antiquity you've actually digested because It's just amazing. So, all I do is provide sources but I'm working on a project right now to try to make public the entire library that's in Herculaneum once the scans are done so i've assembled a team of transcribers and translators who are going to work toward making public that entire collection because if we allow

1:10:33 to sit on this thing. They'll dole it out, you get three or four scrolls published within a year and half and they'll all be through presses in Cambridge and Oxford that will cost $180 per book and now they do that historically in order to dole out the glory of being translators of these texts What I would encourage your audience to do is to help move forward the process of making this material public. This belongs to us, it belongs to humanity and this entire library should be immediately published before every Renaissance, before every Enlightenment is a rebirth of classical literature

1:11:25 And there's a reason for that. There is the reason that Tom Jefferson is creating democracy on the basis of what he has read in ancient greek, which by the way his ancient greek is fantastic He actually composes his own poetry in ancient Greek Which is no easy task and so we have this potential out there This library coming out of Herculaneum it could change the world and the scholars know it, but they're gonna sit on it and just milk it for all the glory its worth. I say we gang rush them take away that library and then let everybody get a copy so they can see what is going on in antiquity And once we do that were gonna get one step closer to gangster G or Jesus

1:12:12 And things are gonna become obvious. We're going to figure out what that naked kid was doing with them and bing bang bong, we've got some actual history you know maybe we can make good decisions I'm all for one thing, Greg. And that's releasing the evidence gaining access to the evidence The best thing your audience can do is not listen to Dr So-and-so right now i'm one of those people don't listen to dr so and so get those texts and we've got that stuff a lot of that is sitting right in front of you

1:12:50 For example, I walked up to a street preacher. He said brother is there anything I can tell you? Any questions I can answer about the Bible and I said yeah Why was Jesus arrested with a naked boy in a public park screaming? I'm not a child trafficker And he laughed and he said oh That's not there that's not there and I told him do you have a Bible take it out look at Mark 14 51 52 You should see his expression It's like I reached into his body, reached into his psyche through his anus and pulled out a spirit. You know what I mean? Once you actually see the text, you think oh my god this guy is full of it he's crazy! And then you see the text and your like well its actually there so yeah love it

1:13:36 Yeah wild stuff man and you do have over seven hundred five star reviews as a teacher of greek on this website wise and so if people do wanna really take on a scholarship seven hundred five star reviews don't lie clearly know what your talking about. And if only we could crack open those vatican archives who knows what else we might learn about all the stuff we've been told but, I guess that's a whole nother show in and of itself, but this has been great man. Thanks again for joining me and all the work you do and take care! Thank You Greg and here's to the coming renaissance Cheers Oh boy well i think the ones who couldn't handle how offensive this material is to their worldview are certainly gone at this point so now that we got just the inner circle wow

1:14:35 Look, I like provocative outside-the box material from interesting characters and that is what we got today. Over the years, I do see a lot of comments across THC shows that I quote hate Christians and I definitely don't! I don't hate anyone that isn't abusing their power really but some groups are so sensitive if you don't bend over backwards to nerf everything for them Just being neutral is interpreted as hate. And that's what I am, I'm neutral! I think if you make any of the major religions a big part of your life it's a waste of time but so what? There are lots of things I do that people would consider a waste of time too It's fine, I wouldn't be sensitive about it So let's just say THAT right out of the gate As well as thanks damn my eyes once again for that killer intro

1:15:32 But you hear the bullet points to Dr. Hillman's perspective, and it's so different from anything else that a knee-jerk dismissal is understandable! But then you dig in a little deeper and ask, okay well what makes you think this way? Why would you come to these conclusions that are so different from the entire field of biblical scholarship? And his answer is the only real answer that should give people pause which is He goes back to the original source material and he has a PhD in understanding the language, grammar and context of those times. And that does matter! And really it's two different premises that intertwine The ancient Greeks and Romans were taking recreational drugs... ...and that one might be one of the easiest pills I've ever swallowed There were over 1 million Romans in 100 AD and 60 million within the empire at its peak

1:16:32 There's some people doing everything that people can do at those numbers. And I think people have been taking recreational drugs for pleasure and for enlightenment since basically the beginning of time, so i'm not at all phased by that it's weird to me that academia can't accept it but Dr Hillman has the receipts He has the bacteriology background as well, so he's able to read those medical texts and then understand them in a way that a lot of people don't. And then he sees those same compounds and herbs and incenses named in the original biblical writings before they were watered down and details were glossed over. It's right there! Plain as day! That is not even unexpected for me but it is great work and seems like he's restoring important context

1:17:20 Now the other thing, pedo-Jesus. That's a more unexpected and unique take It is true that the 12 apostles are depicted as bearded men but they seem to have been much younger than that it's true that a lot of cult leaders and gurus do a lot of banging And the use of a word meaning pimp or child trafficker in the original text is interesting I chalk that up to Unexpected, today I learned kind of thing. The nudity doesn't really strike me as odd in general. I sort of picture everyone back then just being half naked with barely draped on robes and clothes Greeks are usually depicted that way and it's also probably from my Catholic upbringing And the general imagery you see with that sort of stuff As well as things like Troy in Game Of Thrones Media contributes

1:18:17 It's just a motif we see a lot and it might not even be accurate, but nudity in that time period in and of itself is just assumed to me. And you guys know I'm not big on hanging on every word of the Bible. I'm not big on literal interpretation of it either when you listen to the researchers that say it's all coded astro theology and that Jesus is the sun S U N and the 12 apostles are the twelve signs of the Zodiac They make some good points too. Judas is Scorpio, he'll sting your ass... One of them wrestled a bull or something like that and this even goes back to the first Zeitgeist movie which I know sent a lot of people on their journeys but the whole idea that they just took Egyptian and Greek myths and then reinterpreted them and put them under the Christian brand is also pretty convincing when you hear that case made

1:19:19 So for me, the interpretation that the Bible is a literal true story and that every word is something that happened historically is probably the least likely of all the interpretations. And I take them all with a grain of salt but I do like how Dr Hillman incorporates the original foundations of the exorcism aspect of the religion and that it was abusive that the rape of young boys was deeply embedded in the whole infrastructure from day one. And that's not a small part of his book, he breaks down all the language and provides names and examples... That to me is more important than some line from Matthew! But like I said, The Bible is full of people drinking wine so why would a few other substances be all that earth-shattering? Though the snake venom stuff and the female assassins, that is pretty fascinating

1:20:15 Here's a paragraph from his book about the venom that I didn't get to bring up in the interview. He writes, The ancient Greek world was well-versed in the use of dozens of venomous snake toxins... ...The Order of Draco is famous for its manipulation of these venoms but the priestesses of Apollo apparently utilized a species of venom that was unknown to The Order The Greeks mastered the use of neurotoxins, necrotizing venoms and hemorrhage-producing venoms in both recreational and militaristic settings. The knowledge of these venoms was considered sacred and the recipes for the poisons they used were closely guarded secrets

1:20:55 Oftentimes, the priests and Medusa used coded words to represent the species of animals and plants used to craft their potions. And prevent their competitors from acquiring their pharmaceutical formulae These code names ended up in classical pharmaceutical texts used by physicians For example, the milky juice of one particular plant was referred to as the semen of Helios And I'm sure that was just used as an example for its provocative phraseology. But the general shape of all that does not really surprise me, but it is kind of fascinating and we don't hear about it very much. He also uses the term religious hotboxing and talks about fumigation and that it was more than just incense in that thing the priest swings around originally Dr Hillman pulls up

1:21:49 one line about cannabis being burned in a room to promote, quote, jovial conversation. And it's like yeah still done today. It's all there but let me just say a couple more things about the rapey stuff and Dr Hillman words The leadership of the early church clearly recognized the value of ritual sodomy as a successful means of rooting out the influence of female allure on pubescent boys Raping young men was a highly effective means of combating more popular sex-centered pagan religions. These mystery rites were meant to prevent young converts from ever following the cults of Aphrodite and Dionysus, but they also established a degree of exclusivity not present in competing mystery cults. When early Christians were born again they were psychologically unique as a direct result of the ritual rape they endured

1:22:47 So what's interesting here to me is this line that the church clearly recognized the value of ritual sodomy as a successful means of rooting out the influence of female allure on pubescent boys. And the reason that sticks out to me is because I know two guys who were raped by men in their lives when they were young and both of them told me it actually didn't feel that bad And because there was a pleasure aspect to it, they wrestled for years with if they were bi or gay when they ultimately never would have thought that before. So that has always stuck out to me as surprising and I remembered it because it was such an unexpected and kind of intimate disclosure for someone to admit too. When you think about that quote and these two anecdotal stories, they line up and make sense

1:23:47 There's also the very classic Reddit story of The Prostate Monk. Google it if you need to! But I also wanted to read a little from this interview with Dr Jeff Kripal This stuff didn't come up in my interview with Dr Kripal, but people who know his earlier work will not be surprised What i'm reading from is an interview with the LA Review Of Books And it starts with them saying You've written that most of the other men in seminary were gay and you weren't He says it definitely was a gay community. Most of the seminarians were closeted young gay men, good men who had turned to the priesthood as a way of creatively sublimating their sexuality into some kind of productive spiritual life I was highly repressed and wildly neurotic but i was ultimately straight and i just didn't fit in

1:24:42 They ask, was this just a weird quirk of this particular seminary or does it reflect something deeper about the nature of the Christian religion? He says, The argument I make in Secret Body is that this kind of sublimated male homoeroticism is orthodox in the history of Christianity because God is always male. And if you're going to be in love with God—or marry Jesus, to use the traditional Catholic language A male homoerotic orientation works very well. If you happen to be a straight man, it makes no sense." It's an impossible emotion and spiritual orientation to think yourself into. And they ask why is homoeroticism part of the foundation of Christian history? He says I'm not sure I would make that kind of sweeping claim. I would say that Roman Catholicism is an institution controlled by males who are celibate

1:25:37 Many of them are living in all-male or same sex communities that are promoting the love and worship of a kind of alpha male in the sky, God or Jesus. They're not worshipping women! They're eating the body and drinking the blood of a divine male so that privileges or selects for men who have what we today would call gay genders or gay spiritualities None of this implies a moral judgment. Quite the contrary, I think gay men are often more spiritually gifted than straight men." I didn't leave the seminary because I was angry or had experienced anything negative—I left because I didn't have what it takes! I was not so spiritually sexually gifted!" And they ask, What does that say about the life of Jesus? Are you saying there's something homoerotic in his story?" Dr. Kripal says yes

1:26:29 Neither Jesus nor Paul was married. Jesus had a beloved disciple who was another man. Paul wanted all his followers, both male and female to be virgins and marry Christ which is a very queer homoerotic notion for men—a kind of spiritual gay marriage I think the origins of Christianity lie in this kind of sexual-spiritual orientation that could not fit into the heterosexual structures of first century Jewish society. This is one of the things that made it all so radical and so revolutionary at its time." Finally, they ask are you suggesting Jesus was gay?

1:27:10 And he says that's an anarchinistic question. The safest thing to say is that he was anything but straight, He was certainly preaching against the heterosexual family and essentially asked his disciples to leave their families. And he asked His closest disciples to castrate themselves for the kingdom of heaven. That's what the famous passage in Matthew says though Of course it's almost never read or preached on Mostly because people don't know what to do with it or simply don't want to deal with it. So obviously that's a very interesting interview that ties in nicely with the content of today show and it just is something I wanted to read, make the point that Dr Hillman really isn't alone and you can take that for what its worth

1:28:02 Christian and Catholic are not boxes I put myself in, so i'm not really emotional about the analysis of them that might offend other people. But interesting and unexpected stuff, I would say! And that's kind of the point around here—check out Dr Hillman's books if you really want to go for it. In higher side news some of you might have noticed that I hired a social media podcast marketing company to make and post clips from the video portions of the show The clips I was making myself or having made by other individuals were just not getting any traction really. I was going to abandon that whole arm of things altogether because who really cares? But this company reached out to me and i thought all right let's give it a go

1:28:51 And ultimately, it is sad to me that the right hashtags and the right thumbnail are enough to 100x a video's views but I have to live in the world that i'm in. How dumb and cringe it is doesn't really matter But this company started with some analog clips and my God across Instagram reels and YouTube shorts. And yes, TikTok which I haven't even really logged into but just those three platforms and just a couple of clips they have presented analog to about 2 million new people. That's just as of right now it's been less than a week of working with them and the numbers are still growing

1:29:38 So I love that. Maybe it brings new people to the show, I even told them that I'm skeptical that people scrolling on Tik Tok and coming across a clip are going to actually be like oh! I want to hear the full one hour version of this show usually they just click like and move on but when you're putting up seven figure numbers you got to think some of them are gonna check out the full show and that's a beautiful thing maybe all it does is give a bump to our guests But that alone is very cool. Clearly this company knows what they're doing and it takes more off my plate because they do it all themselves, but if you notice the change on any of those platforms now you know why? And of course we have to talk about the last show with Dr Gregory Shushan and unfortunately its rating is sitting at a 4.3 kind of low I'm a little surprised

1:30:37 Maybe it just wasn't an exciting topic, or maybe the fact that indigenous NDEs are not much different than Western ones is not exactly a revelation to people. I'm not sure! The only real criticism in the comments is that I talked too much... That might be fair. I do usually like to let the guests do most of the talking and maybe in this one I was too focused on connecting alien experiences to shamanism & NDEs But hey, they can't all be the best. Mad respect though to Dr. Shu Shan and his work. His book is a masterpiece regardless of how the interview went in the minds of some people out there. And Dr. Shu Shan if you're listening it seems like it's not you its me and that's fine I get sick of hearing myself talk too so I get it

1:31:30 And as for the meetup calendar, someone recently assumed that you had to be a plus member to make meetups. And that's completely untrue. Usually when someone asks a question like that it means I haven't been clear and I tend to think that confusion represents a lot of people who would have that same question but no The MeetUp Calendar is not just for plus people anyone can make an event and anyone can attend one It's a totally different domain than my website or the membership platform. And it's just there to be used by anyone who wants to expand their local network through a mutual love of THC style, perspectives and topics and all that stuff. Here's what's on deck as we have mentioned there is a 420 event in London at The Monkey Puzzle at 420 don't miss that if you're over there in the UK

1:32:28 And then we got May the 4th be with you a post-apocalyptic Southern Oregon event at the Caldera Brewery in Ashland, Oregon. May 12th as Salem Virginia meet up at Parkway Brewing may 19 one at The Witches Hat in South Lyon Michigan and that's it good stuff A few more now than there were last week. I like it, hop on there and find the others. Hiresidemeetups.com if you want any more details about the events that i just listed or if you want to make your own just do it! I'll read it, people will come and you'll have new friends and we support locally owned businesses through this process as well It's great

1:33:17 But we will call that a day. Dr Hillman really bringing the taboo research and I appreciate it, had a great time lots of things worth considering what do i know but he does make a good case And that is it for me your move drug use omitting academics biblical scholars secret keepers and pedo priests Your fucking move They built up some crazy garbage Called the blood of the exploited working class. We've overcome their shinin', now we're calling your highness, and the world screams save me THC! They destroyed the bonds of friendship and respect between the only people left. Even look them in the eye and make a fortune

1:34:28 they tortured and a word me THC look for Jesus will say Mr. Jesus can tell me if it's true our chance to be built a little some crazy garbage called the blood of these working class overcome their shining now we're calling

1:35:28 Your Highness and the world scream Save me, THC. Save me, THC