Dr. Andrew Wakefield | The Act, The Jab, & The Fallout From Both

00:01 Hello, Hireside Chatters! It has been quite some time since I stepped in before an interview to preface what you're about to hear in any sort of way. But today I think I should because this is a very special interview for me at a very crucial point and time And unfortunately there was some miscommunication amongst his team and it affected not only the length of the show but also the recording environment because Dr. Wakefield was on a boat at that time, and a dedicated advocate in his position is doing all kinds of interviews non-stop so we can't expect him to have known that today he was talking to The Conspiracy Podcast King of San Diego! So we'll let it slide...

00:51 And between me and my editor extraordinaire, we did everything we could to cut out the background noise of a busy windy wave rocking bay. It's not perfect but it is listenable I would hate for the content to get lost because of a couple motorboats in the distance And if you do lose your patience, then so be it. But I would also encourage you to stick around for or fast forward to the wrap up today because it's a bit more spicy and passionate than your typical Greg Carlwood closeout and maybe you'll get a kick out of that too but big thanks to our guest as always It's not his fault misunderstandings happen

01:33 We live on, and we appreciate the time we get. And the commitment to unpopular truths that he represents. With that said let's just get into it. In 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as The Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times I'm Greg Carlwood. These are the Higher Side Chats Here we go, higher side chatters from sunny San Diego! I'm Greg Carlwood and for as long as i've been doing this show there has never been a hotter topic than vaccines...and that was before the giant mess that is COVID-19

02:30 But even still, just to ask questions or entertain the idea that modern medicine might not have cracked every single complex code of nature is one of society's most serious cardinal sins. And even though vaccine skeptics are demonized worse than disease itself in most cases when you cut through the PR campaign who do they think the vaccine skeptics really are? Because on one side of the debate, I see caring loving and concerned parents trying to do what's best for their families. And on the other side, I see a multi-billion dollar machine filled with corporations that have routinely produced products that have done a lot of damage to people That have covered up as much of it as they could every time Fought those injury claims tooth and nail through every possible method while the family is in suffering And cares way more about keeping the money train on the tracks than it does human health or the well being of babies

03:22 But as we know, a multi-billion dollar machine can make things appear quite different. We say this is the land of the free but not if you want to avoid these shots for your child and have them gain access to the same resources as everyone else! We say that we respect the rule of law and trust our courts to right wrongs and handle injustices...but we make unique exceptions for these vaccine producers in a closed door special court system We give lip service to supporting free markets, but turn a blind eye to vaccine manufacturers gaming the system at every possible angle. And we love the empty platitude of my body-my choice when it comes to terminating life... ...but somehow it doesn't apply to protecting life that's already here! We have to start seeing through some of this and recognize that time after time when a professional is brave enough to break rank with their industry and expose harm theft or injustice

04:15 The information they reveal is demonized and suppressed, their career is destroyed and a full court press from the system attempts to make sure nobody ever takes their advice again. Well today's powerhouse guest Andrew Wakefield is one of these people He was enjoying the fruits of a successful career as a physician and academic researcher at the University of London, the biggest medical university in the world. Funded to head a research team of 19 people that published roughly 150 scientific papers They demonstrated without a shadow of doubt that children with autism who had regressed following the MMR vaccine had a novel inflammatory bowel disease associated with the autism And when they treated that, the kids got better

04:58 So he simply raised some questions and called for a deeper investigation based on the work and parent stories. He did not say vaccines cause autism, but he went far enough to face the wrath of the industry and have his mainstream medical career destroyed. He now works as a passionate award-winning filmmaker at 7th Chakra Films dedicated to informing the public of the truth because it turns out that he was definitely onto something and the problem seems much bigger than anyone could've imagined If you haven't seen Vaxxed from cover-up to catastrophe, it is an amazing expose on the medical side of the vaccine problem and he's recently released 1986 The Act which tackles the legal and political aspects of the vaccine issue. Together they're the one to punch the public needs and it's an honor to have him here—the passionate advocate brave whistleblower and sage of vaccine safety Andy Wakefield welcome to The Higher Side

05:53 Thank you so much what an outstanding introduction of my job for me. Oh man it is the least i can do with someone like u being here its a real honor because, man if the corona virus and the digital censorship machine have taught me anything it's just how small the number of true opposition leader seems to be sometimes The number of people brave enough to put themselves out there, yeah it's growing. But when I think about where the vaccine issue would be without yourself and Del Bigtree and Robert Kennedy Jr., its scary! Three is not much more than zero so letting people in your position know that we are with you and having the people who maybe aren't in a position to be as brave and bold give their tangible support It couldn't be more important So...I thank you so much

06:41 It's my great pleasure and it's a privilege to do what i do i don't look on it as a hardship that have been some difficult times but. When I look at the next child with autism, I think to myself. I don't have a problem this child has a problem and i need to just get on with it. Amen positive mental attitude so I was a big fan of Vaxxed and last year you released 1986 The Act A film that focuses on the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act another great film but tell people why this became the focus? Why hone in on the political and legal side of this whole thing

07:19 I think what i realized over the years is that great majority and just by the way i'm out on the ocean so you will hear. Very craft going by this is probably a new one for your show some people on those jet skis in may tend to be rather noisy so we have to persevere but nonetheless here we are so, i became concerned that the majority of americans did not realize that the pharmaceutical industry vaccine manufacturers enjoy an extraordinary privilege position that is the nineteen eighty six lol was passed which exempted them from liability for death and damage injury done by their vaccines on the recommended childhood. Vaccine schedule add that is transmitted into the situation now you simply cannot sue industry under any circumstances except for

08:17 And this was alarming because what it is remove vaccines and the makers of vaccines from the constraints of the free market. I knew when i know that the free market operates to promote good products, relegate bad products to the bottom of a pile in the manufacturer's either improve their product or the product fails will in this circumstance they had the perfect business model because what they had was a mandated market children, how to receive these vaccines go to school in many states and i have no liability all day could do with make. I'm not what they did when they realized that they couldn't make a massive profit dramatically expanded the vaccine schedule went from sixteen shots seventy two shots by the age

09:07 I'm eighteen and with the numbers of injuries went up dramatically as well what that meant is that they became extraordinary wealth extraordinarily powerful they came to own, the media they came to medical media medical training doctors. They came to own politicians they own the regulatory agencies such as the fda and cdc who. Where is that keep an eye on make sure that they were doing their job properly i miss was a global effect we are now in a situation where we find ourselves with covert vaccine precisely because of the, black of any jurisdiction or constraint upon me behavior these people

09:55 Except for this and that is they own everything but the hearts and minds of the people, i'm the people realize by virtue of their experience with vaccines and vaccine injury in their communities and families and those they knew love to this was real it was growing. It was going dramatically far greater than anything we've ever seen so we find ourselves in a situation of. Extraordinary conflict right now where never has there been more Scrutiny of vaccine safety and yet we are being fed the same line that we. Have to get these vaccines even stay alive on this planet and it is a bizarre situation but, even before covid i can decide what we really needed to bring to public attention this

10:47 lol which the national childhood vaccine injury act which exempted them from liability. I would add one more thing is that i thought you about this and when i went into making a film i realized how to like it now, how little i knew about what really underpin the industry's ability to blackmail congress into giving them this liability protection. That was an extraordinary fraud and extra set of lies they perpetrated Against doctors to politicians to the public saying that they could make vaccine safe during one in one instance i had a patent went back sixty years. Showing that they can make it safer vaccine but for less than a penny of those, it was going to eat into their profits and so we decided not to do it and so it was far more of a film from or powerful film and i ever imagined it would be in the first place and i'm very glad that its now. In the public domain

11:45 Yes, well said. That's a great breakdown and I definitely concur with its importance in that Vaccine Injury Act and the process of putting liability out there before administering a mass vaccination. That is great context for the situation we're in today it might not exist if that act hadn't initially been written and then of course rewritten and manipulated throughout time i agree with you i thought i knew enough about that side of things but this film taught me so much more it's a history of blackmail cutting costs securing legal protection for an entire industry and this piece of legislation is really the crux of how the issue has been allowed to get so bad n,

12:32 Of course, vaccination of children is obviously a huge issue but it's the COVID-19 vaccine that people are so concerned about now which really isn't even a vaccine in the conventional sense. But I'm hoping we can weave back and forth a bit between these two subjects when it comes to this injection we'll call it for COVID-19 as someone who studied vaccination for 30 plus years what are your thoughts on this one? I think it's terrifying to me it is just summarize its like jurassic park that's about to escape the island. What we're doing and you put it very well this is not a vaccine as we understand vaccines at least to the extent that we understand which is not very well when you inject a vaccine as we understand them you will listen directly in response to whatever your injection doesn't happen

13:26 With the code that vaccine is what you're injecting a piece of genetic engineering which gets into our own sales and then switches on ourselves to produce viral protein something, did they never been told to do in this way before so i was become effectively. The virus and we produce viral proteins that we then illicit an indirect immune response to. Is it intermediary step which we've never seen before this is never been done before i have great concerns for the safety of this process because once its put in there you can switch it off no way switching

14:13 And so if you are listening and immune response to effectively our own sales which producing these viral proteins that is the basis of an autoimmune disease we should become. Extraordinary prevalent in the era of vaccination anyway i have major major concerns about what were doing in particular as u point out because There is no pressure on the industry to do any safety studies of any merit whatsoever they completely circumvented. Animal test important step in, the process of evaluating a vaccine safety and efficacy i went straight to human trials i did so on the basis that they claim there was an urgency get this back seat to market

15:05 What is this vaccine has a downside which it now is obvious that does not the people predicted it would take you today with the withdrawal of the johnson and johnson back then, there's no way switching at all if u given it to half the world population. I knew listed in just ten percent fifteen percent chronic autoimmune disease can you have a disaster situation which is wonderful for the pharmaceutical industry because they make billions on vaccines but they make trillions on the medications that are used to treat the side effects of vaccine so wonderful for them but very bad for mankind.

15:47 Yes, that is such an important point. That if they cause damage and they know they're going to cause damage They're gonna be right there to treat that damage so it just adds so much more money to their pile But for me my wife And my parents are kind of the only people in my life who are willing to say no Extended family My friend group They're already past shot too in most cases I have to assume The listeners are seeing similar things In their own lives Well, in your expert opinion what should we expect? We know there will be fallout but what are the best educated guesses among you and your colleagues as to how bad it will be and when we'll start seeing it. The thing about vaccines and having studied vaccines for 30 years now is that there are those side effects that can be anticipated and then there are those that can't

16:42 Now with covid an example of that one that is the thrombosis it's occurring the reason for the withdrawal of johnson and johnson vaccine some scientists on you know this sort of cautious side of the equation predicted because of the structure of protein that resemble a human receptor in blood vessel there may be increased risk Of blood coagulation thrombosis and that is come to pass but it was never anticipated by the stars we know. Find pharmaceutical industry was never warned against so there's one really effectively came out of blue

17:22 Then there are those that can be predicted like generalized autoimmune disease, lupus, multiple sclerosis, Bell's palsy this kind of thing. And we will likely see I mean they take some months to years to emerge even in the face of a vaccine injury so We can expect to see those growing in number The other thing that concerns me and I saw remarkable graph the other day from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System which looked at mortality, death from vaccines reported to that system over the years. Now this is a system set up by the CDC and the FDA and it looks at adverse reactions including deaths. And with the introduction of the COVID-19 vaccines there has been an extraordinary spike in deaths in any normal circumstance this would have led to the vaccines being withdrawn

18:18 Not just from the market but not actually formally on the market because they never been approved by the FDA but it would be to them being withdrawal because of the circumstances that has been in gendered and everybody can you refer those people all around us who are getting the vaccine because of this fear and the fear in the politicians. Making the wrong decision not knowing what's going on but deferring to me, I just given to them by people like tony fancy clearly has a vested interest in backseat. We're going to see serious fallout i think over the course of next year and that will emerge when people are re challenged with the vaccine or re challenge with the infection we saw this would be, sounds vaccine was abandoned another coronavirus vaccine which they did do animal studies

19:16 Where the money did the animal studies they injected the experimental vaccine into ferrets in this case it's have an immune response which is not. Similar from that of humans when they inject them with a backseat and i will find it about me and responses seem to have an adverse reaction until, hey then encountered the natural infection When did the natural infection i had an extraordinary hyper immune response and overreaction their immune system was trying to react. They suffered severe lung disease in many many died, that is the great worry with this vaccine is that we will start to see serious adverse reaction when people are exposed to the natural infection or further vaccination

20:08 What is extraordinary therefore, is that these animal studies were circumvented with the current vaccines when it was known that this had occurred 10 years before with the experimental SARS vaccine. It's a very cavalier approach to a very serious problem. Yes, yes it is! there are people out there like doctor sherry ten penny and dr delores k hill that i have found pretty convincing even though i am just a layman but. They have said that possibly thirty to fifty percent of people who take the shots will have severe autoimmune damage in maybe death and we could see this happening inside of eighteen months mean as you just set a year but

20:54 But do you concur with that assessment of 30 to 50% of people who've gotten the shots will suffer this? Or do you think maybe those opinions are a bit aggressive. Well, it's a very good point. They both extremely knowledgeable people and very well versed in this entire subject so I defer to their expertise. I haven't done the calculations or the estimations myself So i don't know and I would need to talk Sherry order to see how they arrived at that particular number. Buddy this most certainly possible yes we are in unknown territory completely unknown territory and just like jurassic park there was a moment of the beginning of that film you remember where, the guy picks up the velociraptor said you better velocity says well it's not a problem because they're all female i can't reproduce and

21:53 Jeff goldblum stepped in the chaos theory mathematician so you don't understand life will find a way and life does find a way in these biological agents are geared up to survive to adapt to mutate change to survive, can they will do that and they will come back to haunt us if we did not pay them respect. What else and this was a bit over my head but maybe you can help me make sense of it i heard that there was someone who wrote a cross reactivity paper showing that in a study of fifty five tissue types antibodies cross reacted with twenty eight of them are you familiar with this what is that actually mean in layman's terms.

22:39 Yes i think that was a restore but johnny friend of mine and immunologist and what is saying is that. Effectively the similarities between the proteins produced by the coronavirus vaccine, what's the corona virus vaccine produce by our own cells are very very similar to human protein So when you induce an immune response and antibody response for example to that viral protein that antibody will cross react against your own, sales proteins and is the basis of a new disease.

23:22 show this cross reactivity is one mechanism by which the bodies immune system starts to attack. The body itself and that's what we see for example, anti myelin basic protein antibodies in multiple sclerosis attacking the milan sheath surrounds the net would be an example of the situation that he's describing Right on. So we've heard about the widespread autoimmunity problems, I've heard a couple of stories about blood clots as you mentioned the Johnson & Johnson vaccine it seems like was just pulled off the market i think an ex-Pfizer executive had said something to the effect that the spike protein used in the vaccine could cause a woman's immune system to attack its own placenta have you heard of other complications and effects are we getting

24:18 good reports at bears are they just starting to trickle in is it a little early to say cuz i worry that the medical machine is so good with the PR that if i have a friend who's thirty five years old has a heart attack and eighteen months, can i get acquainted to the vaccine i guess i just wanna be able to be sure and hope that we can win this pr work as even when the damage starts to be done i worry that there very good at. skirting around it or blaming something else, or people are so predisposed to not make the connection. It's like well it couldn't be the vaccine, so what happened here? That's the kind of thinking we usually get. So what can you say about early reports maybe it is a little bit too early but some stuff is happening. Well I think that you're quite right the skepticism about any numbers that we're seeing or reading particularly those that come from government and industry

25:10 Nothing is to be believed i'll give you an example of that not with the fact it was born out in. Nineteen eighty six the act and if you want to watch the film which i think he should go to nineteen eighty six dot com what we, reported mad is that the vaccine adverse events reporting system is known to ascertain less than one percent. True adverse reactions it's good up to do just that And the cdc did a study that commissioned report from harvard pilgrim how about it so i can look at. Ways of improving me ascertainment to adverse events to vaccines which they did, and demonstrate that the system as it was capturing less than one percent of adverse reactions so when you hear. There have been x number of deaths from covid vaccine

26:06 End the vaccine adverse events reporting system multiply that by a factor of at least hundred to get the true number so we can't believe what we are hearing because when i getting on this numbers. And so many of it is our estimates and modeling really have No substance whatsoever there is one fact that concerns me as much if not more than the. Obvious adverse reactions to vaccine and that is what we do when we back with an imperfect fax let's say they claim it has ninety three percent efficacy, then what are doing is putting a genetic selection pressure on the virus to meet.

26:52 Just like antibiotic resistant bacteria if you have an antibiotic that does not kill one hundred percent of the bacteria but allows five percent to escape it are resistant to the anti botik. And they will become the dominant strain and you have been an anti biotic resistance back to your back area is more dangerous than the original then you're making this situation worse and worse and worse I'm missing exactly the same with vaccines vaccine is driving resistance we are now seeing the emergence of variants of the virus that are resistant to be immunity produced by the backseat and this is no this was always going to happen. Industry look on this as a marvelous because what they advise his boss said, we will have to make more vaccines against new strains but they are responsible for creating new strains

27:49 I think about these viruses like a mutated today and it takes six months to produce a vaccine so you will never get ahead of the virus, the virus will always win in the end what they did with antibiotics after they became multi resistance is that the industry said right. We are going to pull out of the development of new antibiotics because by the time we get our drugs to market bacteria already resistant and so you're on your own goodbye. And they will do exactly the same with vaccine i will make a lot of money it will create a lot of problems, can't then they walk away from the market because the virus when nature will always prevail

28:34 And so we are creating a much bigger problem and i've been saying this for some time and then. I'm actually manufacturer someone involved in the industry with the gates foundation other things sell from europe said just the other day came out of that tree, is it whistleblower said we are creating a very dangerous situation using these vaccines in the circumstances Yes and i believe also heard you mention in a previous interview that if not this person someone else that your close with who is worked within the melinda bill gates foundation mentioned something about the fact that when you ask them how often with all the logistics and stuff that they're talking about how often is vaccine safety brought up. They said no one's is that right,

29:26 That's right with all the tens of billions of dollars donated by the gates foundation and gaby in this ride to forget his name raskin, we're asking you attended all meetings of gabby and reported on them into books and i asked him interview. During all those discussions of vaccination at the entire third world children Against disease weather they ever discussed topic of safety and he said never want so it's given its taken as a given that vaccines are safe and effective in contrast with that. Peter or be from the start and serum institute in denmark which is a major vaccine manufacturer who, is one of the world leading scientists in vaccines in west africa

30:13 Show me the diphtheria tetanus patosis vaccine which has been given to more children than any other backseat in the world. Has killed more children from other causes when it's safe from the target diseases that area texas and put us that was never looked at mortality had never been looked up before he did it, It never been an end point yet he showed that this vaccine has killed more children and it's safe. I'm extraordinary in dot what is the response of the world health organization to attempt to silence him just carry on as usual

30:50 it is so sad and that is one of the things i try to say when friends and family try to have this debate with me first i tell them watch back and now watch the act before we even start the conversation cuz i know everything you're gonna say you need here are the information that i'm getting and then maybe we can talk and usually never have that follow up conversation because they really won't look at but I say first off the liability huge issue you're okay with that because i'm definitely not but also just look at these companies themselves and look at the fruits of their work johnson & johnson had asbestos in their baby powder for 50 years and knew about it Pfizer

31:28 to my understanding they just lost a vaccine injury lawsuit in africa over giving young boys meningitis and i think about that it's like wow how bad was that problem because poor kids in africa wanna lawsuit against one of the biggest corporations on the planet you think with all five resources they would've been able when that one clearly the case must have been pretty obvious And the list goes on, but when you look at what these companies actually do producing petrochemical pills with side effects like why can't they make treatments without side effects yet vaccines are supposed to be magic. You know they magically don't have the same problem even though they're more complex? When you examine the actual companies involved in their histories how do you feel? Yeah and what's your dealing with our companies that are self-confessed

32:21 International criminal consortium that's what they are they have been sued for billions of dollars. I lost cases worldwide for extortion for bribery corruption from this labeling this branding and women to trust these people really, not a chance but people are so frightened and fear is a weapon that has been used against people so often you put up the man in white coat Looks like he knows what is talking about no one wants to know about his complex of interest and tells you what you gotta do. And he denies the efficacy of known unsafe license treatments like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin vitamin d for this infection and pushes a vaccine and vaccine only agenda no one asked the question why it's most alarming i'm interested see there are two books now out on

33:24 Tony found one from bobby kennedy junior one from another writer i think it's cold. It's a play on dr fast as i can't remember the name but there is a real expose going on so they are some enlightened people bringing this information to the world that it is extraordinary how, fear once again the same weapon has been used time and time again In infectious disease epidemics and pandemics to coerce people into compliance to vaccination how we're seeing it succeed but also i was saying if i want so many people, what's the uprising around the world i think that. Meeting challenges industry is meeting challenges that its not experience before and im very interested to see how this all plays out

34:18 yes me too and that is the silver lining i heard you saying previous interviews that in your opinion this seems like a hail mary throw their trying this really desperate play because. the data on the general vaccines the childhood vaccines i mean it's becoming pretty clear that they don't yield the results that were promised and. That is a beautiful thing to hear from someone in your position that people are waking up of also heard you know the gates foundation been kicked out of a few countries and this and that but its also probably a little surprising because someone in my position i still feel like im in the ideological minority by far i mean the,

35:04 The brainwashing is pretty strong but it's kind of hopeful to hear that this is their last ditch effort because some people involved in this they think that the whole house of cards my collapse and i mean is that really the impression you get out of how they might be thinking and what can you tell us about, some other latest results mean things like the polio Vaccine seems to be the biggest cause of polio these days what are some of these cracks in the conventional story were seen even in a childhood vaccines that they can't seem to keep up with. I think that the cracks manifest in the fact that, forty percent of marines refusing the vaccine fifty percent of firefighters and first line responders sixty percent health care workers in care institutions the elderly or using the vaccine

35:59 I'm many many doctors and others are refusing it is not what they wanted to know what the need because many people will say the public will save the vaccine is not good enough for them it's most certainly not good enough me so. Well that is pretty many millions of doses the update is far less now why hail mary pass well i think that having studied back seems what we're saying is emergency vaccine failure, And this is something that is very well established and acknowledged by the authorities and it comes in the form of, for example the failure of the mumps vaccine does not protect we're seeing outbreaks of mom's. Hi vaccinated populations and mark are in court in pennsylvania at the moment under the whistleblower act being sued by two of their employees for committing

36:56 From by adulterating the data in order to try and persuade the fda that the vaccine works falsely and. Keep their license so that's one example of the other is you mentioned this the fact that polio has not been eliminated and it's reemerging caused by the oral polio vaccine itself. The majority of outbreaks of polio around the world, particularly in third-world countries are due to the vaccine we're seeing the development of vaccine resistant measles strains and We're seeing the failure of the diphtheria tetanus pertussis, particularly the acellular pertussis vaccine so

37:42 It's becoming a public relations nightmare for them and i think that. Cove it was a hail mary in many ways it was we are going to win back the hearts and minds of the public by forcing this vaccination strategy upon them making them realize how. Vital we are to the survival of mankind and protecting our stock price and its not gonna work it simply Not going to work and i believe it's not working so many in the industry don't care because they're in a short time they want their bonus may want to get out, show it's not that there invested in the long term survival of the vaccine manufacturers themselves again its gonna be interesting to see how this plays out but. Nonetheless for filmmaker gives me plenty of material to work with observing behavior of the pharmaceutical industry if you wanna make

38:43 store is about fraud lies corruption coercion threats they give you more than enough to keep me busy. Amen man i mean having started a podcast about crime and corruption business is good these days and not i want to revisit. What you said about making the virus stronger because yes when it comes to the covid shots i keep hearing about how the people who get them will have two constantly, get these boosters for their immunity system because its screwed now and through this process were also making the virus more aggressive involving at further like you mentioned

39:20 But just to put a fine point on that, does this mass vaccination campaign pose a risk to even the unvaccinated? Because a lot of times we can keep things at arm's length and say well I didn't opt in so it's not going to affect me. When we are making the virus stronger are even the unvaccinated gonna have to deal with more aggressive infections just because this process is being undertaken Absolutely that could well be the case if you are putting genetics election pressure on the virus to become more transmissible or aggressive in its behavior then you are putting everyone at risk. And the unvaccinated i'm not immune from the process is being created and perpetuated in the vaccinated because the vaccinated are imperfectly protected but you are putting everybody a risk absolutely

40:17 Man it's just so hard to way risks appropriately especially with all the manipulation but most people i know that are getting the covid shot, are people in their thirties and they're not really worried about covid itself but they'll say well if i got my parents sick and they died i would never forgive myself and i totally get that how do we weigh That risk against the risk of shot damage it just seems difficult or the risk of a certain disease for a child versus the risk of the vaccine for especially when all the normal functioning adults that we know got vaccinated if there was another weird wrench in the whole thing but what could you say about how to properly. Wait these risks my approach to this very beginning been look

41:07 The people of thirty are not at risk from this disease they have effectively zero percent mortality and. The way in which certain states and certain countries have gone about this is to say protect the elderly protect those at risk can we have ways of doing that and those emerge they were vitamin c vitamin d. I just got a question today will be effective science has proven this protecting those individuals isolate them, i let all of those who are young and healthy get the infection I'm developed natural immunity many of them will not even know that had the infection but they will develop national unity i will have natural her to me. And we will then protect by proxy, the elderly and that is the way in which many many infectious diseases have worked throughout history. We didn't do that we decided that man you better than there was another agenda and that gender was driven by

42:09 Public health and the pharmaceutical industry in and that was to produce a mass vaccination it's not been the right answer just demonstrably. I think the wrong answer how dangerous an approach is will emerge overtime but if we had allowed this infection to come as. Respiratory infections usually do you speak to him then to disappear without putting genetic selection pressure on it, it would be gone it would not be with us anymore we wouldn't be talking about third waves and fourth waves of this kind of thing this is something of our creation and the approach has been wrong then part of the coach has been to say people are gonna change the

42:59 Thinking behind vaccination from protecting the individual to the individual being protected. Do the rest of the community and using an emotional blackmail what would you do if u, this happens in england now is that your baby may not be at risk but your baby could kill his grandparents. What a nice road has no foundation in reality whatsoever basis in science But that is the kind of advertising that is being used to persuade parents to put their children in the firing line for a vaccine, but has never been tested. In this age group it is absolutely astonishing. The responsibility really must fall to governments and politicians and those who are driving the political agenda, that is pharmaceutical companies

43:57 Well said and this really speaks to how we've been conditioned to think about contagiousness really and i did wanna go one step beyond vaccination and ask you about rockefeller western medicine as a whole because when covid hit i already woken up to the dangers of vaccines i saw that several years ago but i started interviewing a lot of people this year who took it much further and started casting doubt on the whole virus contagion germ theory model, one drug one bug kind of model as they say. Saying that the underlying theories of disease that Western medicine is built on are actually flawed it's not just vaccines that studies have been done taking this snot out a one infected person and putting it up the nose of a healthy person and they can't get the illness to transfer in some cases

44:49 Well i mean this was pretty mind blowing to me and i guess i would ask how big is the industry's deception in your opinion does it go. Deeper than just vaccination misleading knowledge of medicine as a whole, no very interesting debate on its been really around since days of pastor before yes but it was weather the organism whether the infectious agent was because of the disease or whether it was The terrain in which the organism existed with me immune system of the host that was. I'm already responsible i would tend to come down on the basis that both are important some people reject the idea that, there is such a thing as a virus bacteria causes disease i don't make started measles for

45:43 30 years i firmly believe that there are infectious agents which are causing specific diseases which have specific characteristics which define. What is the status of the host immune system integrity of the host immune system age of the house the nutritional status of the presence of concurrent disease in the host can all influence the outcome From a disease process so it is a subtle interaction between the two side and i wouldn't reject either theory i would say that the truth.

46:26 Lies in better understanding of the interaction between these infections and host immune system. Yes well said i often think the truth is somewhere in the middle myself even though i was attracted to hearing that case made for the furthest out extremes i just wanna be able to fold it into my decision making you know and Another thing i wanted to ask you about that came up in the film the act is the pento letter and that is a really interesting case study from the car industry but it seems like. Mike hugo found the pento letter of vaccines can tell people little bit about what that means absolutely

47:12 I thought i said earlier i thought you about the origins of this act and i thought i knew a lot about it and i was sitting down with my q let me just. Give some perspective is mike hugo is a vaccine injury lawyer acting on behalf of damaged children he, what's doing this before the past in eighty six he was instrumental in helping get the act through and crafting the act when it was written And he was then a vaccine injury lawyer in the vaccine call to so called vaccine court after the act was passed and so he saw great deal of. The background to this when i sat down with him to interview me produce a pile of discovery documents legal discovery documents which were the reason real reason that the fax manufacturers could not afford to go to court

48:12 They could not afford these documents to appear in front of the judge or jury because they would have been bankrupted because they reveal the true evil what had been done i'm one of those things was. The pin to memo now for those who remember that pinto is a small car two thousand dollar car made by four, competition with japanese small car market And the problem with that car is when it was rear ended the rear bumper assembly puncture the gas tank exploded the car caught fire and people were burned.

48:56 Now for new that there was a problem and they did a cost benefit analysis of what it would take but it would cost them to bring all the cars back and put a well. On the rear bumper assembly that prevented this from happening compared with just letting people go and it was going to cost them one hundred forty five Million to bring the cars back and forty five fifty million to let people burn. And so that is a corporate decision was to let people but i'm this document pin to memo found its way before, what jury and it was very very bad day for motorcars no. Mike hugo was fighting against i think he was one of the manufacturers of the

49:51 wholesale put us in dpt and the judge had compelled in this case the company to disclose all of its documents. Legal discovery and they have refused or they had held off doing that was getting more angry i went back for three motions to compel before the judge and india He said if you do not deliver these documents to this lawyer by the end of this week i will find you. A million dollars a day i think that was sort of level which he was going to punish them so it wasn't agree with panic and they just unloaded eighty boxes of documents on tonight hugo in his law office one friday afternoon

50:44 I went into the room and was confronted by all of these boxes of documents not knowing where to start you want a random box open it up people got a random document, i'm ready pull that was the pin to memo. For the wholesale purchase vaccine it was a cost benefit analysis they knew. They could make a safer vaccine it's going to eat into their profits to do so And so they could i pull out of the vaccine market it could carry on as usual and just cover the whole thing up or they can make the vaccine safer and a show to just cover the whole thing up and carry on. Add that is a document amongst many others that they could not have fallen into the hands of a jury and so

51:37 Has they got closer and closer to jury trials once it ended up in the hands of mike hugo. They panic and i went to congress instead we're gonna pull out of the potassius vaccine market, who can cost will come back children will die to be your fault how do you feel about that was the sort of message in congress not knowing the truth behind it. Compelled put the health of children first and two give them liability protection so that was really the roots of the nineteen eighty six and liability protection was a lie told by drug companies about safety of their vaccine in their ability to make it safer, show the whole thing is really a blackmailing i come from the very answer.

52:30 Yeah that is a great breakdown and as they say knowledge is power and honestly congress just doesn't really know shit and it allows so many. Industries to just run them over when we said blackmail the beginning this exactly what talking about because they don't have the medical knowledge even stand up to the industry which is probably a big problem with having such a, Small industry of huge companies but there's only a handful of them and they've captured a lot of their regulators and i don't know how we would unravel this mess now. Yeah i think it is a mess i think the beginnings of the unravelling of this are going to be in education public and this is why i take the approach of filmmaking to do that heavy lifting for the public to actually assemble

53:22 All of the documents together into a entertaining story that can enlighten the public about the truth behind vaccine safety and. The public can be reassured when they watch these films we have not been sued, i'm we will not do because were telling the truth and everything that was saying can be substantiated by the undies substantiate buy documents otherwise we wouldn't say it we don't believe in theory we believe in fact and so we deliver a fact in the films and people can learn should must learn their own survival and survival of their families. I must learn the facts because once you understand me roots of where all this came from you can get insight into where were going, in the future if we do not act appropriately now when it will lose our health freedoms now

54:15 can we lose them for all time it will be almost impossible to get them back and we stand on the brink of that issue right now losing health freedom and being forced. Inter mandatory covid vaccination against infection which has been blown out of order yes, the approach to what's been wrong and which will be used as a template for handling all infections what's your score with all infections going forward we will have a vaccine passport for every backseat. That's another major issue that's been coming up around here is just how important resistance to that is because the way I see it, the governments are gonna offload that responsibility onto the corporations its kind of what they've done with mask it's like

55:03 the police there's like a kid policing the door at target before you go and making sure you got the mask on certain airlines have to police, their customers i think that's how the governments are kind of offloading responsibility little bit and. the thing that's kind of a silver lining about that is if the vaccine resistors make up. Twenty percent of population verses sixty percent of the population that's a huge difference in the market that these companies can, extract wealth from because of ticketmaster wants to say you must have a vaccine to come to our concerts and only thirty percent of the population is vaccinated will good luck because they can't afford to leave out seventy percent people so that crucial. Difference between like ten twenty thirty forty percent of people playing ball here is really gonna determine what life is like for the unvaccinated absolutely

56:06 I'm actually going to have to go now. My phone is about to die and i'll have to recharge it so how do you want to wind this up? Okay, terribly sorry! I was told half an hour... Yes, It's all good let me jump to the wrap-up stuff if we can but thanks so much man this has been such an opportunity I really wanted to make sure I was able to make the most of it because I have so much respect for you in your expertise i guess i just wanted to ask you if you could give us any more resources or tell people where they can follow up on the film and things you got going on any future plans i know you have a podcast as well give us all that good stuff. Please do consult with lori gregory on this because she, she has all of the information at her fingertips and no she's waiting your call but yes we have a podcast on soundcloud if you go to nineteen eighty six yeah

57:04 dot com then all of our resources are available there including different ways of saying the film and we've been confronted with not only the challenge you censorship, i know what the major platforms for this film because of the success of facts but also the challenge of movie theater lockdown face covered so it's been a rather unique situation for filmmakers nonetheless what that is enabled us to do is too. innovate and to come up with new ways of getting the film out there so what are the things that we've done is to create home screen you get a license for screening of the app, i'm your able to screen it to your community is in your churches and community centers. New home to get your friends around generate income yourself

57:58 I'm too spread the word so please go to nineteen sixty dot com and learn about how to see this film you can get it on dvd u can download it stream it, you can get the compilation of three films that are made on this subject. Including who killed alex for lockers and nineteen eighty six the compilation. DVD set so all of these things are available at our website nine hundred sixty eight, Please spread the word it is so important now in particular because. The opportunity will not come again if we do not make the right choices at this time amen to that and i know writing directing and producing a film as a huge undertaking you probably just want a bit of a break to enjoy the high seas but do you have a next project in the works at all oh yes we did absolutely and then that is

58:57 Under where the money i can't say more about it at this stage but yes we have a new film. Can i love filmmaking and i just want to finish type take a deep breath in, get on make the next news i say the drug companies and vaccine Health officials give you plenty of material to work with if you want to make Erin Brockovich on a global scale. Yes, seems like documentaries and podcasts are the best weapons we got left and hopefully we can talk again when that new film comes out but I can't say enough great stuff about you man! I hope i make half the difference in my life as you've made yours, your one of the good ones keep doing what you do and take care out there

59:39 Thank you so much, indeed. What a great pleasure it's been being on your show! Cheers take care thank you so much bye-bye all right guys one for the record books that was a real treat for me Andy Wakefield someone i have a lot of respect for and I've wanted to get on THC for a long time...I've never really asked because I didn't think it would happen for some reason but here we are and when we got on the call and I saw him outside on the top deck of a sailboat Huh, well alright. Doesn't seem like the place that I would settle in for a two hour interview but we gotta press on because i got questions and I want some answers And of course as it turns out there was a miscommunication

1:00:25 Once we had gone an hour and 20 minutes, Andy was like hey I was told this was 30 minutes long how much time do we got left? And it's like oh man well were almost there if you could just give me a little more time. You know were almost to the finish line but then his phone died so it is what it is But a guy in such a high profile position in a field as stressful as his is well he deserves some time to relax And I'm just weird enough to kind of enjoy the juxtaposition of such dark and serious subject matter while Sea-Doo's rip up waves in the background. Either way, I'll try to sell it because this is what I got to sell! Michael Wan did a lot of extra time with us and one that's coming up is an extra 20 minutes long... Actually maybe the next two are extra long so

1:01:20 Praise be to he. I think we're long more often than we're short, what are you gonna do? Anyway the act is really a useful documentary because it gets the mental wheels turning quite a bit and there are a couple of actors very brave actors i would say who play the roles of a baby on the way couple who are going through the process of awakening and it's a pretty good approach that i haven't seen taken yet And of course this legislation is key because once corporations have no liability for this one type of product, why even make pharmaceutical drugs anymore? Why not just make vaccines. Furthermore why spend extra money on quality control or putting extra eyes on the distribution chain

1:02:11 As Andy mentioned, they have proof that a company could've made their vaccine safer for less than a penny per dose and just said screw it. It's not worth it! This liability protection is causing the vaccine industry problem to be way worse than otherwise might be And I don't like talking about this stuff in regular life because people are just so convinced it's lifesaving technology and these companies are doing the best they can to eradicate disease. But with COVID, I've had vets ask me and my wife if we're getting it, the mailman has asked us if we're getting the jab...

1:02:50 And I always try to seem on the fence, because you got to meet people where they are with something like...I don't know man. The people i know who have gotten COVID recovered very quickly and the idea that these companies are setting up liability protection before releasing their product? That doesn't make me feel very comfortable! They usually say yeah but lots of people have died and it's important to do our part for public health But in a few cases they say, oh I didn't know they had liability protection. Like you mean they can't be sued if something goes wrong? Well that's right UPS guy thanks for the xylitol toothpaste maybe you should look some of that stuff up later! I think maybe one of the biggest things we didn't get to talk about that's in the film and was on my outline is pretty wild and it's this term hotlots

1:03:40 Sometimes the manufacturing recipe for vaccines is off or contaminated, but they don't destroy those batches. They take those hot lots and they mix them in with good batches and they send them out through their distribution network dispersed in a way that there won't be any geographical areas with a big problem it will be spread across the network And nobody will know, because it's just one dead kid in Michigan. A couple brain damaged children in Florida It's just good business guys Legal immunity There is a reason for it But this is something they've been caught doing Maybe that's why I got meningitis when I was 3 years old and am deaf in my right ear Who knows? I will never know

1:04:28 When you are aware of these tactics you can lean a little bit on them and the general shady practices of all multinational corporations add in the act. And then you can have a conversation where your voice skepticism without saying at all that you have a problem with vaccine science and not see useful trick because those are the terms that people been conditioned to argue on So big thanks to Andy Wakefield. I wish it was under different circumstances and did go the full time, but my priority was really to hear what Andy and his colleagues think the fallout of the COVID vaccine will look like in real terms, and what sort of time window do we have on that? Because we talk to a lot of guests who think it's going to be bad but I want specifics so we know what we're looking for and we have some sort of gauge to judge by

1:05:22 It's really sad, but this is the situation. It's fun to talk about the Hollow Earth and aliens and psychedelics but on this it's just so heavy and important to be as accurate as we can be I'm not trying to pump up fear or introduce concerns that are actually unwarranted i just want the unfiltered truth This show can be a lot of fun but it's also my job and I do take it seriously And I guess i'm gonna do it. This is a tangent, but we got the time so let's just talk about it But I looked up retention the other day for THC plus and if you didn't see my post Let me tell you a little bit about it

1:06:04 Apparently when the higher side chats plus is compared to the average subscription based business i should be teaching a class or something because supposedly only the best subscription based businesses can maintain sixty five percent for hire retention after year and that's right where we are actually at sixty four percent But i think the data is a little messed up because of the website consolidation and switching subscription platforms and these little things that I've done over time that have caused, a lot of breaks in the data chain. Even with that we're right up there at the very top the average for someone in my situation is 42%. So without much technical knowledge or without reading any books on subscription based businesses are anything like that

1:06:53 We're doing really great when it comes to keeping the people who sign up. But as we know, this type of show is pretty niche It's only going to appeal to a certain minority of people but it's great to know that week after week month after month with such a diverse range of topics and guests who come from different perspectives its not turning people off to hear something they don't like once in awhile We seem, for the most part open enough to hear any sort of counterculture perspective and just let it be what it is. Which makes me feel really confident to push the envelope in a lot of different ways

1:07:36 It's also funny because the critics typically say, well once you're making money off something you really have to cater to those people and it cheapens your whole show etc. But we navigated the Trump years just fine without pandering that stuff and the plus audience is shown in the data to not be fickle or fragile And in an age where we're overly conditioned to be polarized and set in our ways, and really reactionary to anything outside of our reality tunnel. That is such a gift for a person in my position! It makes it easier to brush off the negative stuff too Every content creator in the world talks about reading tons of good feedback but you end up focusing on the bad stuff Well... guilty But this kind of information really helps

1:08:27 And when I posted this data about retention, I obviously got a lot of encouragement and support from the very people making up this data. But there were a few negative ones and sometimes they are fun to highlight just so the rest of you listeners get a taste for what a show host like me deals with sometimes. Normally I would keep this sort of stuff to myself or at least to a joint session where I do sometimes respond to critics behind closed doors of THC+. But I've got time to fill today, right? I'm half kidding. But this person said... Problem is long-time subscribers never got a retaining bonus and just like a corporation care for customer retention was never considered.

1:09:25 Look, it's not much money per month. I get it! I get that you need to make a living but small pushes push people out and I was just taken aback Yes there are the typical cheap shots in there like well It used to be $5 okay Do you still pay for Netflix? Did you continue to go to movie theaters throughout your life that used to be five dollars too now? Now its like 15 You know when movie theatres were open of course I actually think it's pretty tough to find a subscription business that has been around for 10 years and has not had a single price raise. And if you do find one, chances are they started a bit high to begin with But THC didn't keep going up It went up once! And i don't think it will go up again This logic that at $5 the ongoing subscription is worth it but at 8 dollars its not worth anything

1:10:21 You do know that you could sign up for half a year, make the price the same for yourself and actually still get the same content right? But regardless I would think that i would get credit for starting as low as I thought was feasible and then making one adjustment that I thought was necessary later. And I've never heard of a retention bonus in my life, ever. It's an ongoing subscription for ongoing content. I don't know what this person is looking for. Customer retention IS considered by continuing to put out what I think are good shows and making improvements to the Plus system. Why would I NOT want to keep people subscribed? Do i need to come to your house wash your feet tuck you into bed at night?!

1:11:07 I hope all the other people this person supports does that for them. It's just odd psychology that some people out there hold me and other small, independent content creators with limited resources to a very odd standard that they never hold anyone else up to. Netflix has millions of subscribers and the price is always going up! We give eight dollars to all kinds of people in all sorts of situations and we don't think twice but for some reason I get held under a ridiculous microscope sometimes. And the reality is, i'm more proud of what I quote-unquote sell now than ever have been! I was thinking about this the other day but when I started my management career at Great American Cookie, I sold gluttony

1:11:56 Then when i went on the sunglass hut i sold vanity and pride maybe even lost and then it game stop i sold sloth. And now i sell suppressed information life improvement solidarity positivity hope and dare i say truth in sound like one of those guys, But when someone is so hypercritical of me and if I'm worthy of their $8 support, I hope they're as proud of their contributions to the world. I hope they hold themselves at the same standards that are imposing on me... And I hate to rant like this but i'm trying to fill the time goddammit!

1:12:34 And if you think it's comfortable to bank your livelihood on interviews like this, in the current online climate and social climate with all my friends and family seeing first hand this radical and unpopular position that I'm firmly digging my heels into posted out in the open for them to comb through and talk about behind my back who didn't even do anything wrong but marry a crazy person It's not fun sometimes. It's not easy! Sometimes, if you can imagine I'd want to keep these sort of opinions a bit private like you guys get to do but it is my job NOT TO You wanna hear another piece of industry data? The best subscription-based businesses can expect 3% to 5% percent of their free audience to end up becoming paid subscribers Three...to five percent

1:13:32 So in our situation, I'm not trying to waste Plus Members time right now but i'm talking to 97% of people who listen to the free show and just move on. I know you like it and I wish I could pay the bills with view counts and likes and retweets and thank-yous... And I would if I coulds but I can't any more than you can If I had advertisers then sure a view count means a quarter for myself But I'm committed to not doing that So before anyone tells me that they listen to every free show but what I do isn't worth $8 or that you quit plus when i made an adjustment that was right for me three years ago, just don't.

1:14:16 Forgive me for saying so, but it seems like maybe a good portion of the free audience should ask themselves if they hold the offerings of corporate America to the same standard that they hold a one-man band podcast host too. Because they don't! They pay for their poisons but pinch their pennies when it comes to those trying to offer them something like this. Interesting way to be right? If you don't want to adjust the high bar you hold me under, not a problem. But hold fast food providers and junk TV services... And GMO crop producers and factory farmers and companies that build their products on addiction and planned obsolescence To the same standard at a minimum because otherwise you are kind of part of the problem

1:15:06 You are hurting the chances that the world you apparently want to see or are at least so entertained by will actually grow to a reality-changing level. Think about that! If all these other places you put your money get to be imperfect, why can't I be? Why can't my colleagues be? Why can't our guests be a little imperfect too? This is a resistance and counterculture that you have to support and encourage because we're all lucky to have it. Not just me, but my peers and colleagues and of course the guests and all the great work they do also very exposed! People who've been on this ride with me since the beginning I think can obviously see how it was fun in games for the first few years but now its more serious. Im up to the challenge, I signed up for it. I wouldn't consider this complaining

1:16:02 And if THC went away, there's other shows to follow too. I have no illusions about how replaceable i probably am but also don't forget that i'm just a person out here trying to do the best i can and when you really think about how liberal you are with eight dollars in almost every other situation is this the situation to be stingy with? Again, you don't have to be a member forever to just dip in, half plus for a few months say thank you and get yourself more content then dip back out But if you're not supporting me, I hope you are supporting whoever your top 5 content creators committed to staying advertisement-free are. You know this year I really started donating to more things like Adam Curry's Podcasting 2.0 Project or the Informed Consent Action Network because they are out there changing the world in ways that help me and they carry all of the baggage that comes with being so out there and committed to these things

1:17:02 A lot of us can't be so bold because we're stuck in a job or lifestyle that's part of the problem, Or we don't want our friends and family to know about our unpopular opinions. But nobody has to know that you put a little financial fuel into the people who are out there for you Without Adam Curry's project Apple would just control podcasting probably forever Without the Informed Consent Action Network and Del Bigtree, where would vaccine skeptics turn to? Without THC and your four other favorite shows how would the field of alternative media look to you. Where would these people go to get the word out about their new book without films like Vaxxed and The Act what high-level documentaries would you have to turn those semi open minded people in your life onto without having to make all the arguments yourself

1:17:57 I've been saying this a lot lately, really ever since i interviewed Doug Lindemood of Sunrise Ranch here in San Diego producing farm-to-family high quality all natural grass fed and finished animals outside of the traditional channels. But it's a resource I'm lucky to have and he's not the only one doing it but with the industry constantly trying to choke these local independent farmers out of existence The difference between five them and zero is not much If you want to only be able to get your shitty GMO meat from Tyson and nasty feedlot factory farms, then good on ya! Because the world is almost there. And if you don't want that world then the time to find a local farmer and let them know you have their back was yesterday How long are we gonna keep fueling our own demise?

1:18:49 Take your money out of the goddamn corporate industrialized system and put it into the new world that we want to have. Food, media, natural medicine, vaccine advocacy... whatever it is! Because once that local farmer gives up and has to sell his farm to Big Ag, It doesn't come back When a doctor demolishes his career by saying that rockefeller medicine is not the way or maybe this vaccine isn't that safe and they start selling supplements that their heart really believes in, if we don't catch them and support them then option just isn't there it's the system that supplements everything with advertising and its the system that has trained us to just sit back and consume

1:19:37 But the system will always be there to feed you crap for your mouth, for your eyes, for your ears. Whatever! It's funny because we recorded this interview on the day that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was suspended due to the blood clot issue and I'm releasing it a day after they put it back on the market so we know this is how it goes. It is constant pressure from The Big Machine on the people who have put themselves in the spotlight to take this heat And without a support network that can quietly, under the radar contribute support in a way that makes that burden worth bearing? I'll be out of guests. We'll be out of quality food and medicine and we will definitely lose the education war! I'm committed in my own way Maybe I discovered I have talent for asking questions...I don't know But I've been able to align my livelihood with the good

1:20:34 As we all should, and I don't know what that means for you. But i hope it doesn't mean bitching about not getting some kind of personal pat on the back or some kind of extra praise and discount from little old me because you decided to sign up for PLUS when you don't get that from anyone else either. I know that sounded like an angry rant from someone who's losing their grip on reality but I assure you...I'm fine! I'm just blowing off a little steam in a way that I think is honest but also kinda funny And again, we got the time today. But it's all good! I am very fortunate and have the best job in the world and the best community there can be! I'm constantly hearing that from guests The feedback they get is loud and proud from you guys and they say impressively passionate and high level So that's what were trying to cultivate around here and i thank those of you who know the score

1:21:32 The guests I talk to and this kind of material has been mocked, and marginalized... ...and dismissed for way too long. And the whole time my idea has been well wait a second! I think these guys do have something to say just because they haven't been signed off on by CNN doesn't really mean anything Let's hear what they have to say and let's get deep into it Could someone do it better than me? Probably but I am doing it because I thought it was rare and much needed and a fun job to birth into existence. If we all had to be the best, there'd be a lot of broke people out there. I wasn't the best cookie cake decorator either believe it or not so nothing but love for you guys really but our counterculture is more fragile than decades past if you ask me and i think we shouldn't take it for granted

1:22:27 In the words of the sophisticated wordsmith extraordinaire John Mayer, a lot of people out there are sitting around waiting for the world to change. And if you're not participating, the chances that you'll like the change that comes are quite small in today's plus show even though we were limited on time We talked about the differences between vaccine immunity versus natural immunity swine flu 1976 The pandemic that wasn't Are all COVID vaccines equally risky? Could a pathogen emerge that's so dangerous that Dr. Wakefield would consider a vaccination? What should parents in places with really restrictive vaccination laws do? What has Dr. Wakefield seen in his experience with many unvaccinated children? Do parents need to make any adjustments for the care of unvaccinated kids, and what is the deal with the Pento letter and vaccines?"

1:23:22 Lots of good stuff. Lot of important fuel for the fire Dr Wakefield's time is much appreciated Sign up for PLUS if you can Check out The Act and send it to people who might be able to win over with it And I'll see ya next time Your move corporate controllers, Rockefeller medicine manipulators and true shot science suppressors You're fuckin' In times when I get down I eat a bunch of corporate junk that makes you fat, yeah it's a woman industry. Discipline have to face it wrong got an addiction to the digital technology and then I try to quit but it's too hard to say discipline is no fun I deny all discipline only half of the big conspiracy in every one of them