Derrick Broze | Conscious Resistance, The Technocratic State, & The Freedom Formula

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01:30 Well, well, well Hiresight Chatters. How we doing out there from sunny San Diego? I'm Greg Carlwood and i'm just saddened by the sorry state of society as we head into another month of masks mandates on our movement and limits on the healthy human interaction we so desperately need Six months of coronavirus stagnation and no signs of slowing as it takes up all the air in the room, leaving very little conversation to be had about the full steam ahead installation of dangerous 5G towers. The technocratic takeover and the many signs that even our most basic systems are failing to function and no one's really got their hand on the wheel anymore

02:08 It seems like the entire establishment is too preoccupied with political back and forths encircling the wagons to suppress as much information as they can about the fall of the House of Epstein, and protect the soft underbelly of Hollywood Washington DC and the new scientism overlords. We're a nation of rats dens and viper nests and many cynical citizens sit and watch the decline without much thought on how they can work for a better world or even just improve their own life But definitely not today's guest, Derek Brose. Derek is an activist journalist and the founder and CEO of The Conscious Resistance Network, an independent media organization focused on empowering individuals through education philosophy health and community organizing that works to create a world where corporate and state power does not rule over the lives of free human beings

02:58 He's created great documentaries like Bringing Down Jeffrey Epstein, The 5G Trojan Horse and Who Will Find What the Finders Hide. He has authored or co-authored several books including two of his own called How to Opt Out of the Technocratic State and The Holistic Self Assessment. And Derek also entered the Lions Den first hand in 2019 to be the change he hoped to see in the world and ran for Mayor of Houston Texas Raising important issues like the health and surveillance concerns over 5G, and legalizing cannabis. An inspiration to us all and hopefully the kick in the pants we need to answer the call The Conscious Resistor Change Insister And a true light in the darkness! Derek my man welcome to The Higher Side

03:42 Hey brother thank you for having me on appreciate that and your introductions are probably always the best part of the show. Too kind too kind i try and this is a real pleasure your body work is very impressive documentaries books podcasts and our run for mayor it seems like you never stop man, I don't mean to start right off with negative but So many of us tend to just drift through life going from work desk to TV screen and back again. And when it comes to living life to the fullest, sometimes you don't know what you got till it's gone as they say and it seems like you made the kind of turnaround that many people struggle to make right? Yeah I guess your referencing some other struggles I've been through in the past

04:29 I tend to feel like those experiences shaped me to be the person i am today and ten. Take on the work ethic i guess you could call it that i do when it comes to journalism activism in as you know its so much more than that we're really dealing with Real life you know this isn't just i know you don't just podcast because he needed an extra hobby to do on the weekend or something and myself anything many other people recognize that this is. This work if u wanna call it the great workers some quality is about the future of humanity in our lives and direction we're gonna take the planet send, it took me a long while to get to that point where i even had the i guess she could say their personal

05:10 Personal self love and self esteem to even think that maybe my own life let alone the world at large is worth saving or fighting for your even just care enough about it, ends in i'm thirty five now but fifteen years ago when i was in my late teens early twenties i got addicted drugs. You know what down that route for a while just party in a lot and. And they're getting locked up getting addicted to crystal meth when i was nineteen twenty years old and then i spent my twenty first birthday, lock the behind bars and i ended up doing eighteen months in texas state prisons between two thousand five and two thousand eight and

05:49 I mean that really set me on the path i am on now like i said those fifteen years ago but without those experiences, i don't believe i would probably be doing what im doing now cuz it was when i got locked up that started to do a lot of introspection and meditation in journaling and kind of just asking myself how i got into these positions then why i was using drugs what was i trying avoid where the deeper issues all those kinds of questions you know and I mean the answer for me was yes and that was kind of the beginning of my journey into self introspection recognizing that i'd grown up around a family of addicts and alcoholics in. Set my earliest years visiting my birth father in prison and kinda going through that whole thing and trying to navigate that is young child and those experiences really feel like without those experiences in my early childhood,

06:42 I might not have questions so much of the world because because i was in such a dark place i was very antagonistic towards the world very destructive and self-destructive as well but at the same time i also recognize that alot of the bs that were fed and school or church just different places you're growing up, did it didn't really quite line up with my view of the world and i guess you could say i knew that we are in some sort of major so that something didn't feel right even if i don't have the knowledge of the words to communicate it at the time, it just knew that something wasn't right. And so when I got locked up in prison and started getting into meditation specifically Zen Buddhist meditations as in and learning as much as they could kind of diving into my own young childhood pain and getting connected to inner child is a talk about and as I've written about since it helped me see that

07:33 Throughout my young childhood as a depressed little kid and there's an angry teenager and then starting to get. And trouble when it started getting arrested just going through all these different things that it wasn't that there was something wrong with me you know that it was like i was just this whole kid that just wouldn't listen and just couldn't sit down in obey, the authorities its almost as if. My experiences show me that there is something kind of inherently wrong with the world than that a lot of adults and people that i was interacting with specially the adults that day i need a part into this matrix or that they themselves also realize things were quite right but instead chose to just go along with it and. Once i was in prison and sort of reflecting back on this became really clear that there is so much trauma not only my own family specifically my father his lifelong struggle with drug addiction he actually ended up dying of a drug overdose two years ago after being out of prison for my entire life and kind of struggling with that

08:30 It really shaped my work and what i do in even the name of my website conscious resistance like to me experiences i went through then. And since then have helped me see that there's just so much trauma in our world and so much, Paying and frustration it comes in different ways based on our experiences are environments and all that stuff but i think its that unresolved trauma. That largely leads to many of the problems that were seen in our world today not only this sort of on the citizen population level of us attacking each other because various things but also don't believe that people The powers that wish they were the people who are at the top of your mind i don't believe that they are happy satisfied you know so factualized beings i think that it's their own trauma and there desire to. Control manipulate other people is directly stemmed from whatever trauma that they're carrying so yeah i mean i went through a lot of that stuff depression,

09:25 suicide attempts drug abuse drug addiction and prison and i got out the final time october two thousand eight right for obama got elected in was kind of coming out of this haze not only getting sober from the drugs i was on but also just. Out from the cloud depression and it was a really interesting time to kind of be reemerging to the world. Watching this fanaticism over obama and watching the other side like this guy's gonna be the antichrist or he's gonna either you know that here we all need in i wasn't really politically aware at the time i would just kinda, yeah i just more like generally fuck authority i'm not into government but then i started to get when i got out i realized that i had a thirst for knowledge and that i am intelligent person i'd like to learn i like to read i like to

10:10 understand things but i can't forgotten about that and lost touch with that and so i came out and it was just this. Thirst for knowledge thirst for understanding and also i was a felon now so had the kind of new found experience being judged as a felon in not being able to get certain jobs and all that comes with that, so spend a lot of time at the library just applying for jobs and course in that process checking out books and reading i started to learn about the drug war and that was an interesting thing for me because i was just getting out of prison as part of the drug war. And it was a lot information i had learned before from there it was like what else have not been taught about and then couple jim mars books, and alex jones documentary around public later and my world is not saying right on yes and

11:01 i totally empathize man i think it is an inspiration to talk about that kind of stuff for people who are stuck like the old, christian murray quote its no measure of health to be well adjusted do a six society and a lot of us are feeling disenfranchised in. I was such an idiot when i was twenty i know how easily we can make major mistakes have bad implications and i also know how difficult it is to break generational cycles that you don't service and so just really impressive what you been able to do in the network you built as well. So i also wanted ask a little bit about your run for mayor of houston last year bold move,

11:43 because some of the most fun I've had with your work is seeing you go toe to toe with the so-called, quote unquote leaders of The City and sticking a camera in their face to answer difficult questions. Educating The City Council on 5G from the podium it's all entertaining but also really important and inspiring many of us get defeated and just disengaged from the system as you said but you really turned it around and went for it what was that experience like? Yes so i mean first of all i should you know add a caveat in there that absolutely do think it's valuable people. Get involved with the city council or some sort of similar body on the local level but also been doing this for ten years now and i can go in there these days with the full realization, usually doesn't have the effect that i would like for example like them saying oh well let's reconsider this five g thing for most part your usually either

12:39 ignored laughed at or kind of talk down to but i have also seen over the years that these videos so i mean let's just explain to you like houston city council on a tuesday afternoon at two thirty typically in non pandemic times and two thirty in the afternoon is not a very convenient time for most people you know most people with jobs families kids so it's already difficult for people to go there you know to do their civic duty oh you have a problem in the city ok well i'll do what i think i'm supposed to do i got a city council speak to the mayor and council on say hey i have this issue with whatever's going on. You get everything from people who are saying they were assaulted by police to people who are saying they're arguing with her neighbors and they want the city to fix just all kinds of crazy things,

13:23 And again, half the time they're ignoring people unless it's an issue that they really care about or if they can score some political points. They kind of just breeze through it as they sign new contracts to sign away people's tax dollars for all kinds of things. So I started going in 2010 and learning the process and also learning the way they treat people but I realized that okay these city council meetings are televised on local public access TV In the city of houston like most city council meetings are pretty much anywhere in the us and then those are loaded onto the cities website where they're seen by nobody because nobody goes to check on the city's website to watch that weekly city council meeting.

14:03 But I realized that if i downloaded them and then took out the clips of myself just speaking, and you know it's 2-3 4 or 5 minute videos. Put those out there on YouTube an elsewhere that they get tons more views than they would just sitting on The Citys website And as you said they tend to serve kind of a source of inspiration for other people hopefully and sometimes people who want to come be apart of that. I have got alot of people to come join at city council to express themselves Even if it's just like go rant at these people who are allegedly your representatives but yeah, so I started to use it more as like a recruiting tool and One of the videos. I did more recently specifically about 5g. I think it was October 2018 Yeah about that time It was after I was wrapping up my Jeffrey Epstein documentary and sort of looking for a new topic to get into And at the same time they had just started to roll out 5G in Houston

14:53 So i went to this public meeting i got to confront the CEO of rising as well as the mayor and then i went to city council following week and i just you know i was have my information kind of ready go in, i learned how you get two minutes sometimes maybe three minutes maybe even one minute depending on how often you come. You gotta be pretty good at getting out your information and a very concise manner and Also again being prepared for the fact that they might not say anything to you might not get anything else other than your one two or three minutes. So i came in there with a few different studies and references just kind of laid out their, share it with them and the first time i actually did get a good response from one of the city council members who he tends to stand with me on my floor issues health issues vaccines he's kind of awake on those things. What's that he's no longer council member and his one of sixteen people in his voice basically doesn't matter but you asked me questions so i could stay up there longer he purposely knew what he was doing extending my time helping me

15:50 be able to share as much as I could. So, I took that video and it came out in about 7 minutes and loaded that one on YouTube. And that one ended up getting at this point close to a million views with that video for whatever reason it just kind of took off on its own And yeah, I've gone a dozen or more times since then. But that one whatever it was about that day and the way i spoke or whatever just resonated with a lot of people and that led to so many people contacting me from around the world saying thank you are looking for more information about how they can do something similar even people here in city of houston who wanted to be involved in. So yeah, just decided start using as a tactic too. Yeah, i'm gonna speak to the council but i'm not going there expecting them to make any big changes instead its more about

16:36 How much information can I get in this two minutes and show, hey look these people are either straight up ignoring you or they don't care. And then turning around and sharing that with the public who like i said is typically busy on a Tuesday afternoon when city council's held. And it has worked to great effect as far as just being a recruiting tool and getting people to recognize that the city council members here in Houston really don't give a damn. The one or two that might give a damn are totally outnumbered Because the system on the local level and i think that this is similar in some places but not nearly as bad as it isn't houston and denver. It's so set up to just disenfranchise people,

17:15 the city of houston has one of the strongest mail positions other than denver and there's other cities that have what is known as a strong male position but denver in houston are particularly strong, all this means is that. The mayor is basically local dictator and houston the way it works is the mayor has the power to set the agenda which the agenda basically decides what topics get discussed What issues get mentioned and brought up so let's say i'm going to speak about five g will they have an official agenda and if my topic five year whatever is not on the official agenda within a put me at the end of that. The roster so i have to wait sometimes two three hours four hours till you finally get to speak in by that point half council members are gone, the ones that are there like they're just ready to go home and i really pay attention to you with the mayor and houston has the ability set that agenda and does he has a huge amount of power

18:08 The other thing is that the city council members they can suggest agenda items but again it has to be approved by the mayor so let's say even if i was to go spend hours and hours and weeks and I tried this with other issues visiting city council members offices. Talking to them presenting information telling them why this matters to their constituents in why they should take a stand on it, We could have six seven eight nine ten even all sixteen council members saying mayor we are concerned about this five g were concerned about the floor and we're concerned about whatever it may be. And if the mayor still is not interested they can basically say no it's not on agenda so i started to see this over the years with police violence issues homelessness water quality just whatever it isn't just see how many times that people have been shut down because of city of houston's mail position is just way too strong

18:56 And also seeing that houston was one of the first place in the US to start getting five g it was really concerning to me so last year basically i was sitting around some friends. Enjoying some herbs and this joke sort of evolved into a mail campaign is just like, watching the mayor just step on everybody's rights and watching just getting sick of myself at the time i going to city council putting out these videos and yeah we're get lotsa youtube videos and that school glad people are inspired. But it still not achieving the goal that i want which is put in a halter five g raising awareness these kinds of things, add it started out as sort of a joke this may or think he really somebody else somebody needs to run for the nobody send that was kind of maybe you should do a nobody from air campaign type thing and

19:43 It just evolved from there after a few conversations and before you know it I was starting to take it seriously like hey maybe we could really do this. It won't be a typical campaign, we'll do it our way but it could be a legitimate campaign and opportunity to talk about issues like 5G Talk about all kinds of controversial things Actually a lot of them are relevant right now specifically vaccine mandates One of my kind of nine things that I was running on Was that at no point if I were mayor would ever allow there to be any sort of mandates are issuing that would make vaccines mandatory or forced anything like that and of course i got a lot of support from some people but also in the eyes of other people on an anti-vaxxer crazy this and that. Now here we are a year later it's really relevant i'm sure a lot of people wish they had a mayor just anybody willing to say hey you can rest assured were not gonna allow vaccine mandates

20:36 But yeah, it turned out to be just one of the most enriching experiences I can say. I mean, I had no interest in being mayor. I was actually kind of terrified at some points that we might actually win because it was starting to grow and we were starting to get support. We were getting donations. We had a whole team of volunteers. People who are just into the idea and who loved everything I was talking about. And I really strive to make it not about me. You know? Not a politician. Yeah, I have this story but let's talk about these nine issues And it gave me, when I say like it was just such an enriching experience is mainly because as you saw in the videos. I got to sit on the table at the debates and at the local town halls You know the way that local elections work you get the Democrat groups and Republican groups cause technically Theoretically there's no parties in Houston on the local level which is another reason why I was excited about it Because I wouldn't have done if I was required to pledge allegiance to any kind of party It's just not my style so

21:28 i was happy that's not how he's the politics works although it's clear the mayor is a democrat and the guy one of the main challengers was a republican. There's no d or r red or blue next anybody's name when you go vote for them so I appreciate that i can just run truly independently not have to try to play any sort of side and i just got to see up front center lot of the bs that we know already happens like just to see Even on the local level how people are willing to sell their soul how i'm local media sensors anybody that doesn't fit the paradigm of the china promote. How the local neighborhood groups like a lot of people understand that the dnc in r and c the republican democratic parties are corrupt from the federal level but what they don't get is it trickles all the way down to your neighborhood group,

22:13 let's say your Shady Oaks Republican group or whatever neighborhood groups you have, those groups many of them also get funding from the Republican and Democratic National Parties. And through that funding they are able to shape who they select or focus on so there was a lot of kind of local debates and forums that I really had to be aggressive in push my way into just to make sure that my voice was heard. When push comes to shove people will put on their nice polite face and say oh we didn't know you were running And they would kind of allow me begrudgingly, other times they would really make an effort to keep me from being a part of the event. Especially once they started to see what I was speaking about and issues that were bringing to the table with just local media.

22:56 I had to kind of threaten legal action against two different local news outlets because they were, not that i really give a damn about the FCC or any of this legal stuff but you know when you have to use it against them. It can be a useful tool and just telling them like hey I paid the stupid little fee that I had to pay and that's another thing I didn't realize you had to pay to run for office and so for some people that prices them out You got to pay $1200 just to go apply to get into things just to fill out a piece of paper and say hey i've done this so you know I got to learn a lot more the mechanics of how it goes on behind the scenes. And im one of people who for years have told people look if your gonna get involved in politics,

23:34 shy away from the government there's no hope in the federal government i don't even know if there is much hope on the state level instead focus as locally as possible you know run for city council or maybe school board and all these different ways where you can have some effect, and yet at the same time at least for the city of houston which is a major city. I realize that corruption just to ingrained already local level i dont even think that you could have somebody legitimate win an election on the local level. I mean, they tried so hard to from the very beginning the media and the local political groups They really tried hard

24:10 six months ahead of the election to tell people there's only four candidates running when in fact it was twelve people including myself who had filed and done all the legal things they're supposed to do, so they are legitimate candidates. They should be given a chance to say their piece but there was quite an effort to make it seem as if there is only four or five people you really need to pay attention too. So I learned quite a bit, you know? Houston chronicle editorial board you know they invite you there to come see if you wanna get a an endorsement which is basically just that it's all just show they've already chosen who they want we already knew that so i got to meet them at least and speak to them face-to-face.

24:47 And then get up and walk out, say that this whole thing is a sham. You guys have spent the last six months ignoring most of us here at this table and focusing only on the three or four candidates you're sitting here telling me you're looking forward to getting to know who we are because you don't know much about us well it's because you guys aren't doing journalism because you haven't actually reached out any of us you haven't made an effort And I got up, shook the hands of fellow candidates and said guys screw this i'm out here. It was quite a scene but to me because im not interested in being politician and trying to preserve my political cloud or whatever then it kind of frees me from having to play their game anyways instead say like screw we're gonna do our own way you know and i was very proud for everything were able accomplish probably with our small little campaign

25:32 raised around fifteen thousand dollars over six months and that allowed us to print flyers and put up banners get a couple radio ads really build the movement. And that amounted to i think just under a thousand votes or so which wasn't really my goal never was really talking about voting I was trying to tell people like we can build the movement here we can start putting community gardens in instituting permaculture on the city of houston and i don't have to pass a single law to do it let's start doing now you know is very much trying to promote a kind of ground-up community led approach and I think people appreciated that and I wasn't expecting it to amount to a lot of votes in the end so you know in the eyes of much of the mainstream and some of the other candidates, It was a failure because we didn't get a lot of votes or whatever but I know that we reached a lot of people And We helped people see that hey maybe a political campaign can be something completely different You know? And then we're also running against people who are spending tens and millions of dollars as well So I was just happy to get out there

26:27 My main goal was i want to be on the stage of this mayor and i wanna call him out to his face because every time I go to city council just kind of bring it back every time I got a city council they say ding two minutes is up thanks next move on. And he just has a smirk on his face and there's nothing I can do as you said done the confrontations that chase them down at events have done all that so i figured what, if i'm in the race and done all the paperwork and all things they say there's nothing they can do to stop me from being their on stage and call him out his face i got to do that several times so i was happy to do that yes man i love it is a great story.

27:03 and we should learn more about how our local governments function, especially this year. It's never been more apparent how important it is to pay attention to your local government because it's all about how some places are very much with the big agenda and some are resisting of course the motivation that you've talked about as how Houston was making this big push to be one of the first smart cities And that's a whole different rail than how people are responding to the events of 2020. But I mean, it's a big deal. San Diego my city sadly is also one that is making one of those big pushes but I brought up the mayoral run really to kind of tee-up this important point that I've heard you make which is that he

27:49 Houston is a city of almost 4 million people and less than 250,000 turned up to vote for mayor which is kind of crazy to me but it shows that the vast majority of people have just given up. And even if a fraction of those people rallied around someone who's really on team People maybe it is possible to elbow our way in there and turn the tide of corruption and criminality on a local level because are fewer people are voting then a lot of us realize i think so that's an important point but just moving along here that brings me to your book how to opt out of the technocratic state because again we know.

28:31 what we need to know about it but we just don't know how that may be overcome or slow it down and thats what this book is about you write that its inspired by samuel e conkin the third and his strategy of counter economics can elaborate on that. Yeah absolutely and just one other point on which are saying there your i mean you're absolutely right about the low voter turnout that was one of my motivating factors too and I also think it's kind of Appoint in the argument about why democracy is a failure that you got four million people in a city and less than five percent of them get to decide who's gonna be the guy that's gonna make all these decisions internationally globally and now here we are this guy. Less than five percent people voted on his heading up the pandemic response and issuing fines for people not wearing masks so maybe if there was a viral enough campaign, did somebody in there then you could actually take over their system

29:28 And I will also say, who the hell knows what the world's going to look like in three or four years. But I'm leaving the door open to bros from Ayr 2023 just to see what happens. But yeah as far as how to opt out of the technocratic state...I know your audience is very familiar with technocracy already and as you said many of us though are looking for solutions. What can we do about what's going on in the world? For me this was like dealing with a situation where the technocracy is clearly coming into view It's been coming into view for a number of years even before coronavirus this is already clear to myself you and plenty of other people who've been kind of seeing the horizon. And so i started writing this book late last year focus on solution because I figured that we're going twenty twenty we all know about agenda twenty thirty this might be the beginning of the erection of this. Technicolor state and i wrote about

30:22 roll out of facial recognition the rollout of drones and all this stuff i release the book about a few weeks before the pandemic was announced hand a lot of things are not coming true much more quickly than i even anticipated so that time for solutions is absolutely here. And i find the solutions that i believe or i don't wanna say there's a solution because i don't think there is one the solution but they're part of the multifaceted solutions out there is the work of Samuel Konkin III and he is somebody that I've taken a lot of inspiration from over the years. And my first three books, which were written by John Vibes—I think you've had John on in the past? Me and him wrote these books couple years ago—were also inspired by Konkin. He basically was this radical libertarian anarchist activist from...He died in 2004 so he was really active in like the 60's student movement

31:14 in the 70s throughout the 80s up until his death pretty much, but he died as I said in 2004 which is unfortunate because many of the things that he wrote about and predicted have started to come true shortly after his death. And namely what he talked about was what he called agorism which comes from the word agora, the Greek word agora which is just simply the word for marketplace And the strategy of counter economics and so the way that those kind of go about is it he believe that. The weight was a more free just liberated society for one night would not come from,

31:51 voting, and that it would not come from violence. Thinking that we can overthrow the system with violence or anything of that sort." And he saw voting as I largely do as ineffective and you know, we kind of just talked about the whole political system so after trying to go that route, trying the political route and trying let's-go be a violent activist on the street route, he decided efforts to try to change this is some via voting were not going You know the movement that he was a part of actually is the movement that led to. The modern american libertarian party and he was very much against the creation of that,

32:26 consider himself to be a radical libertarian and that he thought that if you really cared about liberty and trying to free people allow people the freedom to make their own choices. Joining the political system was kind of the antithesis of that so it is very much against that any also saw that violence wasn't effective strategy and even if you thought it was an effective strategy that we are outgunned and outnumbered Already on that front so then he started to think about what other options do we have you know many people would hear that and say okay? Well if we're not going to vote and play that game well, then I guess the answer is just to be apathetic right. You just give up

33:04 you don't care and whatever i think that's where some people do fall but what he proposed was this sort of third path and that's where counter economics comes in his world, is vision the place that he was trying to get was this a gorgeous marketplace that would be free and open exchange. Where people could trade goods services have completely voluntary consensual relationships when the absence of assistant built on violence so His goal was how do we get there? If we're not going to get there with voting, if we're not gonna get there through violence what are other options and that led to his discovery of what he called counter economics.

33:41 encounter economics is essentially the economic interaction and by that i just mean people are acting because everything we do as an economic exchange even if it doesn't involve money like right now you and i are where the middle of an economic exchange because both of us are choosing to spend a couple hours together when we could be doing other things so we agreed that were gonna. Come to these terms and spend some time again exchange information because its mutually beneficial for us so what have any economic exchange and so his idea was if people start recognizing that the power that we really have lies outside of system, if we start taking back our finances are energy or time away from the government to federal reserve etc and take it away from them back into our hands back into our communities. That week then use that power leverage at power both financial otherwise

34:34 to create and build a new system and so when he talks about the counter economy in one hand he was sort of using the language at that time because you know he's in sixties seventies people are talking about counter culture, and there is no left movement so we started calling his movement the new libertarian movement or radical libertarian movement. And he talked about counter economics And this is also sometimes known as the informal economy i've seen it referred to a system d by some researchers essentially what conkin discovered that there's huge. i think it's probably the biggest economy in the entire world that is on tax that is unregulated and then actually most of the world outside of united states and outside of western nations existent and this is the market that happens where. Neighbor neighbor exchange cash so that you know one can mow the others lawn or somebody goes to a yard sale garage sale there's no taxes there's no regulations involved just people exchanging goods

35:32 For an agreed upon currency that could be cash it could be crypto it could be. A barter system it can be some other kind of localized currency that somebody created but the point is that by taking those actions and starting to. Voluntarily exchange outside the states hands your depriving them of their source of their funding you know what they need in order to control us, and so conkin start to look at all these different global markets and see there's so many people that Get involved in what is known as the grey and black markets out of necessity so when the state says they want to institute some new kind.

36:09 you know regulation on entering the workplace as a business owner and some poor entrepreneur wants to enter that marketplace in my new business but they can't even afford the fees and regulations of permits to get started, basically classed out of the mainstream market which conk and called the white market the mainstream economy that's like if u gotta check If it's getting federal taxes taken out of it, if its tracked and they know your name that is the white market. Whereas the gray market would be more the situation I described where it's two individuals exchanging goods you know maybe the neighbor kid mowing your lawn for 20 bucks or whatever you're just giving him cash there's no real record of it, it's just 2 people making an exchange on one hand thats like a step away from the white markets step away from the state system but at the same time you could also argue

36:59 it's not as far as you can go because your still in this situation your still using the federal reserve note aka dollar right, you're not paying taxes on it but you're still using their currency so then even further kind of aspect that would be black market. Of course when people hear black market plenty people think things like violent criminals or mobsters and things at that sort but Konkin actually differentiated between violent actions in the black market because all the black market is basically, is just economic action that the state says are technically illegal. So you're in California and cannabis isn't an issue for you anymore I still live in this mythical land called Texas where people get locked up for plants right? so if a Texan out here decides well even though the law says

37:46 it's illegal for me to possess this planter uses plant order trade is planned for money or for goods and services i'm gonna choose to do it in fact i'm gonna do it because i know that its taking away tax dollars from them and it's depriving them of this cuz at the end of the day, canada salesman just an entrepreneur. So Konkin was saying that people should consciously take their money away from the banks, take their money away from the state. Use the gray market and if possible use the black market now it doesn't just mean selling weed and things like that sometimes black market exchanges are like for example somebody who is selling maybe a weapons dealer or something that doesn't have a state permit to do so that's technically illegal right? That's the thing is with gray markets more like you're not getting permits or licenses that you're expected

38:30 So it's not technically illegal, it's just you're not following the requirements. Whereas black market is doing things that the state deems illegal but as I said Konkin differentiates that between what he called the red market and the red market would be illegal and violent because as a new libertarian, as an agorist, he does believe—as do I—that it is wrong and immoral to initiate force or violence against another person. And he also believed in being consistent, so if you're trying to create this future Agora where people are free to live and organize and exchange as they please, so long as they're not initiating violence well then you shouldn't expect that you're going to get there by using violence right? So he really stressed consistency

39:13 his vision was just that as more people started to wake up to the states crimes, people would start exit from the system and create these pockets of what he called a gore is in what i've started term conscious agora's. And just little pockets where people are yeah man maybe not pay taxes this year or amanda use cash more often the idea being that over time as people start to see how aggressive the states getting because the state inevitably grows bigger and bigger and bigger and more aggressive, that people would start to exit as they start to see that their friends and neighbors are living freely without being you know under the boot of the state. And he also predicted that technology would play a great role in allowing this to happen for his writing this in the sixties and seventies into the eighties right as computers are coming about use very active on some early yahoo forums and stuff we can still find some is riding. He actually predicted bitcoin things of that nature if not in the specific terms but in the idea that there would be this decentralizing

40:11 Currency that could come about and i would allow people to be out of the states hands and things of that sort unfortunately died in two thousand four before his ideas really start to catch on and. In last ten or fifteen years so myself and others have kind of really gravitated is ideas and for me not broken down everything that that is, as i was already into that and at the same time is a journalist an activist starting to see the technocracy coming interview. It seemed perfect to me that they go hand in hand what he's talking about essentially is opting out of the mainstream society, set up trying to fight them overthrow them instead of china out vote them

40:49 vote harder than the ideas to build something better you know we take our money take our time take energy and are moral and spiritual support of them, end directed towards this next stage of humanity which could be much more free course sounds like a very lofty goal but it's just been. Pretty interesting to watch out technology is we know it's a tool to double edged sword in many ways its limiting our freedom and it could be the downfall but other ways it's also very liberating no clearly we use the internet to communicate ideas that go against the state and they can't completely control. it is still to some extent decentralized so when you put this into. Conjunction with the technocratic philosophy that we see rolling out all around us and like i said i wrote this book before the pandemic began,

41:36 it's clear that they want a society and system where nobody can be outside of it were to survive you have to have your social credit score. And now with covid its getting even worse you know if u cant go shop anywhere for not wearing a mask soon you won't be able to shop new if you don't have the vaccine or you don't have your immunity passport your digital certificate so what does it look like For somebody who believes in this philosophy, for anybody who just believes in freedom in general but definitely for those who see counter-economics and agorism as a solution. How do you survive the digital dystopia when they're basically saying if you're not plugged in you can't do anything? To me the answer is

42:14 as many of us as possible need to get out of that system, as quick as possible. We need to start building communities and systems that are off that grid so that when the time comes people won't be forced to make these difficult decisions of well you know what like I didn't think ahead i never listened to the higher side chats when they were telling me all this stuff was coming and now here I am and I have to make a choice! I have to feed my family so I guess I'll go get that vaccine...I guess I'll go do whatever it is they say because you have no other option right? Because You don't have any backup food because you don't have a community to survive with because you don't have any land, whatever it may be. You haven't taken any precautions is the point and they are using social engineering right now to force as many people into this society that they're trying to create I mean

42:58 I don't know if you saw that the LA mayor announced they're gonna start cutting off power to people who are having too big of gatherings. Yes, you know That's the reason they want us on the grid on the smart meters is everything because they can remotely turn us off whenever They want if we don't comply If we don't do whatever it is They're saying so to me The answer to the technocratic state is whether or not you want to kind of fully adopt Conkins philosophy Or not is almost irrelevant I introduce it in the book and I go through a lot of the mechanics and kind of the history of it but then ultimately to me the point is Even if you don't buy into everything Konkin said, I think the answer is we have to opt out as soon as possible en masse and start forming societies that can exist outside of their grid because otherwise We're gonna be faced with some really tough decisions And when they roll out that social credit score You're gonna have friends and family who tell you. I love you Greg. I love you I really care about you But you know you keep posting these podcasts and you keep talking about these things in my credit scores going down now Because of you so I can't associate with you anymore. I'm sorry and

43:56 if i associate with you i can't take this next vacation i can travel out of the country or i won't get my health benefits are what have you mean there is already rolling these things out with people suggesting that those who don't take the covid vaccine should have to pay higher insurance premiums are they can travel so the technocracy is in full bloom and it is i think we're in a race towards it now with covid nineteen so The answer i believe is absolutely to opt out and start forming communities. And it kind of gets into some other ideas that we can talk about if you want what I call freedom cells. Yes, I definitely wanted to save some room for that and I just can't believe how quickly this time has passed but I love what your saying! I wanted to make sure this made in the first hour but you cover a very important point in a recent article you wrote called vaccine bait-and-switch because

44:45 Because that q and i'm trump worship stuff is captured a big part of the conspiracy culture and i want it back but, even i second guess myself when i hear headline like trump pulling back funding from the world health organization i'm like wow that's a bold beautiful thing to do. But as the title of that article said it is a bait-and-switch and i just think its important that people don't get too wrapped up in Who's on who side when really the further you go up the chain it's one big club and ua net why was that only half the story why as you say is a debate switch.

45:24 Yeah, I want it back too man. I want the conspiracy culture back too they stole it from us You know It is really disturbing you know just on that whole QAnon thing I've given this so much thought man that we're really dealing at unprecedented times like think about 20 years from now when were old men and we're still hopefully doing this thing and we're still alive and pushing these messages and Trying to wake up people to whatever crazy things were dealing with then And think about how there are going to be folks who look back at this time and who still believe that Trump was a good guy, and that he almost defeated the deep state but they just fought him so hard and couldn't do it. He'll probably be revered by some members of the conspiracy community going forward people who fell for that I really think they have created a huge fracture in the conspiracy community that we're only really starting to understand and will see more clearly as years go on

46:16 As related to the vaccine thing, so people were very excited to see that Trump has been at least paying lip service to the idea that He was gonna take away funding from the World Health Organization which we all know is, you know it's definitely a globalist organization that they use to influence global health policy. The number two funder of that organization of course is Bill Gates through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation so some folks saw that as like a victory like here's Trump again proving he's standing up against the global agenda and were gonna defund the World Health Organization But there's a little more to the story is always some new ones in context that often get left out of the social media conversation.

46:58 For one, let's imagine that Trump does keep that promise and he is true to his word. Well for one he has to get re-elected and who knows what the plan is in that whole charade but lets say he does get elected this defunding of the World Health Organization isn't supposed to happen until next April I believe maybe even June definitely in 2021 thats plenty of time for him to flip flop again like he has on many other issues And by that point, would the Trump supporters even care? Would they even remember?" You know what I mean. So let's wait and see if it actually happens in the first place but if you trust him on his word and think that that's really what's going to happen...

47:34 Well, as I mentioned Bill Gates is the number two funder of the World Health Organization. So when the United States pulls out that puts Bill and Melinda gates into the number one position where they already exert a number really large influence i did an article during my bill gate series showing that they refer to it sometimes as the bill chill that his words have such weight at the world health organization if he says something a kind of chills the room and people like okay i guess this is what we're doing because you've been funding them so much people talk about, the fact that he's treated like head of state at the world health organization. So thats with the technocracy is that's what the technocrats are there on elected power they don't need to be in government because they already wields so much influence through their money and of course do technology

48:20 So this puts Gates into a position where he's even more influential with the World Health Organization. So that to me was kind of already like, maybe this isn't as clear as people are thinking and then early June we saw this video from Donald Trump coming out putting out a video in support of Gavi. Gavi is the global vaccine alliance which was also founded by Bill & Melinda Gates in the year 2000 and it is largely still funded by their money And Donald Trump put this out as an announcement during the global vaccine summit which was taking place in the UK and it was funded and sponsored by Gavi. So, Trump put out this kind of rambling video as he does often but it was a clear endorsement of Gavi and their agenda so that to me was like okay has anybody else noticed this because it was just one random video sitting on Gavi's YouTube channel that nobody pays attention too? I decided I would write about that and then the more I dug into it I saw that actually back in February

49:14 That through USAID, which of course is tied to the CIA and has been involved in all kinds of funky things over the years. That through USAID that Trump administration promised billions of dollars to Gavi And so some of the Trump supporters said well that was before the pandemic you know? That was before he understood the agenda But then he also put out this endorsement video in June and then I looked even further and saw, okay well maybe you can make that argument which i don't buy but sure go ahead and say that was in February. And somehow it's irrelevant even though it came from the Trump administration Well then again in May Trump's ambassador to the United Nations she also participated in this event which was funded by Soros and funded by Bill Gates and others

49:56 announcing that there was going to be even more millions of dollars going into Gavi. So I found at least three different donations, taxpayer-funded donations let's make that clear US taxpayer dollars going from the Trump administration towards Gavi the global vaccine alliance in the billions of dollars so whereas they were giving maybe 800 something million to The World Health Organization now they're giving billions To an organization that was founded by Bill Gates and is funded by Bill Gates So thus that's why you know we called it the bait and switch because like I said they claim they're gonna step away from the World Health Organization. We'll see if it happens either way that puts Bill Gates even more firmly in the driver seat of the World Health Organization, and that's clearly whose guiding policy? And then at the same time the US government under the Trump administration turns around and promises billions dollars of taxpayer money towards Gavi which is a gates funded outlet so I mean

50:49 It's just a switcheroo. It doesn't really matter to me at the end of the day, it is still taxpayer dollars going to fund this same agenda and we can also go deeper and see that the guy Trump appointed to Operation Warp Speed which is his whole fast track vaccines operation, his name is Monsef Slaoui he was former executive chairman of GSK GlaxoSmithKline another vaccine manufacturer That guy holds $10 million in stock and Moderna, which is one of the companies that was also funded by Bill Gates. And is also one of the leading candidates for the vaccines that are coming here in the United States So so many people are profiting off this. All Trump administration has done is help put the big pharma people in their place

51:35 And I see a lot of Trump supporters hanging on to some hope because Trump keeps mentioning therapeutics saying like he's not gonna force it. He keeps saying, you know we'll have vaccines and therapeutics whatever that really means i mean... I also try to caution people that Moderna also makes therapeutics and some of these therapeutics are just different types of vaccine So I don't really have any false hope that The trump administration is gonna be some kind of bulwark against the incoming vaccine agenda and it's becoming more and more clear to me as i'm sure to you that. The mask mandates are just precursor to the vaccine mandates and they're saying they're gonna have the first hundred million doses by october the next one hundred million doses by december,

52:15 the next 100 million in January and maybe that's just posturing, maybe that's just trying to look good before the election. But the point is we're looking at a situation where sometime in the next three to six months to a year these vaccines are going to be here in the United States and you better believe that these people want them to be mandated." Yes yes well said it seems like behind the scenes he's playing ball with the worst of him like any president does And i am curious to get your thoughts on coronavirus because you do seem to be resisting this persistent threat in the alternative media that there is an overlap with 5G and you've definitely done your 5g research so I would value your opinion. You seem to be on the same page with me that it's a big power grab, that was planned in advanced, the ultimate goals mandatory vaccination like he just said but

53:04 How are you doing this of the scope it connection thread or what do you just think that this really is if it isn't five g, is it anything there's people who think its a complete media hysteria that is working up enough people to get them to the hospital for treatments that kill them. I don't know but what do you think about it yeah i mean it's hard to know right there so many different threads and i know that you get a lot of different opinions and views on your show in just you know from cruising internet we see at all I have spent quite a bit of work trying to i don't wanna say the bunk because i feel like when. There's a negative connotation in the conspiracy community and understand that when somebody says debunking because we see it as like all the mainstreams trying to get us,

53:48 But I also do think that, and i'm sure you're aware of this as well. There is a lot of garbage in the alternative media and the conspiracy culture And I've made it an effort of mine to really call that out not because I think that You know? I've got all the answers or anything like that but I do consider myself to be investigative journalist fantasies of being accepted by the mainstream culture like that because the topics i touch on ur just so far out of their purview but that doesn't mean that im just going to blindly accept every single theory that pops up on the scene Otherwise i would be a q and on person you know i was just buying everything but i also have notice that there are lot of people in our audiences and this community, that do believe anything and everything and that don't have the greatest critical thinking skills even though they can see through some of the mainstream garbage their justice easily to believe something if it comes from the alternative media.

54:39 and they think, oh everything from MSM is lies so therefore everything I get from these alternative guys must be real. And that's just not factual the mainstream media gives you truth mixed with lies and sometimes outright fabrications and many of us in the alternative media are just searching for answers but there are also people who make proclamations and speak authoritatively as if they have the answers And in my experience i've kind of gone through looking into those things and they don't always seem to pan out and the 5g coronavirus connection thing when it first started popping up. I thought it was really okay, well what is this? Here's another thing coming on the movement. Let me just wait. I'm more patient. I tend to wait and see what's happening and when i realize that this thing isn't going away there's a lot of people talking about this. I want to see what it's about especially because I had just put out my 5G documentary back in February which seems like forever ago um And I wanted to really see what was going on there

55:33 and i have found a number of holes in it when i spend too much time reiterating what i've already done videos that people wanna see that they can see on my website i've done pretty good extensive interview james corbett as well talking about that. But you know just briefly one of the things like i mentioned that houston started rolling out five g back in october two thousand eighteen, Yet despite what the news says about us now being a hotspot, you know people aren't falling down and dying in the streets I just think that there's been so much information that is and Misinformation that has come out in the beginning people were looking at videos from China and watching people falling on the ground and collapsing And you know? I don't know what those were clearly those weren't coronavirus symptoms because none of us have seen that since then maybe it was fake news Maybe it was a video. That was taken out of context. I don't know what it was but those videos were circulating like

56:20 look this is people responding to 5G and the coronavirus, and this is what's going to happen to you. Oh coincidentally Wuhan had 5g in all these antennas." And those things are true but then I started looking at it like well Houston like I said has had 5g for going on two years we have five different companies operating 5g and you could argue maybe we don't have the same density of towers and this and that but my point was Why are people getting sick whatever's happening in places where there is no 5G? Why are people that have 5g in their cities not being overrun with cases, you know. I just don't think it adds up of course that doesn't mean that 5g doesn't cause any harm. I clearly understand that I made a whole documentary about that

56:59 But the thing is, much like that study that or that it's not even a study. The commentary the editorial That was circulating in a couple weeks ago Which I'm sure you're familiar with which many people thought was like the bombshell evidence proving that 5g is connected to coronavirus You know that paper was quickly retracted and in this case I think it was rightly so retracted because it was shit It seemed like it was written by somebody in high school doing a report on what they think the scientific paper should look like and a lot of the information just didn't add up, no course the mainstream tore apart like five conspiracy theorists you know i think this is connecting coded and i think that's part of. This operation i don't know

57:39 if somebody is purposely spreading this information i've had some sources tell me that they think that the five g covert thing is actually being spread by the telecoms and order to discredit the five g movement. Because if you go back to january we had a second international day of action against five g we have two hundred plus countries around the world participating in actions against five g right before the pandemic hit and then the pandemic hit and then everybody was talking about 5g in coronavirus. And what I've noticed since then is anytime that somebody comes across my 5G work now, they automatically make the assumption that i'm trying to make a COVID connection right? So they don't even want to hear the legitimate information that I have that's proving that there are dangers associated with EMFs 2g 3g 4g and 5g and all of that

58:23 and i went over another study back in may one of my videos which is still up and still standing and hasn't been attracted because it's actually credible course the mainstream ignores it, where these researchers were showing that you know there so much dangerous coming specifically because none of the other studies on five g have actually considered. the effects of 5G on top of 4G, 3G 2g Wi-Fi etc. So my point is that there's credible information we have already that proves the dangers in 5G including that it does affect your cellular body including that it can weaken your immune system so if there's any connection the connection I would say is that were being overexposed to EMFs from our computers our laptops our phones to all the towers and that over time

59:07 Could we can people's immune system and make them more susceptible but what people don't understand that i've noticed is that five gmf. while the technology does exist to sort of make a beam forming like a laser something for lack of better term amy not you that you would feel instant pain. For the most part the effects of emf are cumulative they build up over time just like people were concerned and i still am concerned about the body scanners at the airport send, i opt out every time i used to fly don't find more now But when I used to fly, I would opt out every time because i don't want to be radiated by that microwave. Because the point is that if you're flying often like some people for work they fly everyday or every week and your going through this scanner it's going to build up over time and that cumulative radiation starts to affect your skin and other organs It's not just go through one single time and oh my god you're sick you gonna die now

59:58 And i feel like that's what some people are thinking with five g that they turn on the five g and everybody just drops dead thats not how it happens its just a misunderstanding of the science and you can look like a fool when you say that because not you but people making these arguments, because if somebody say normie comes along in actually have an understanding of the science will then they're just gonna laugh you off because there is so you don't understand how this works no. Even if they dont accept that it's bad they know that the effects of things like ms their cumulative they build up over time So i think there's a number of fundamental misunderstandings and have been attacked by this i mean even just this morning i woke up. Just some youtube comments people saying that must be a page show when i'm trying to miss direct people to not see the five g connection that's there with cove it in and i just,

1:00:43 if somebody can bring me the hard evidence and i do plan to interview arthur firstenberg who is an amazing researcher author of the invisible rainbow he's one of the biggest proponents of saying that emfs have caused. The spanish flu in other things in the past If I can find that evidence or if i feel convinced then you better believe, I will do reports. I will try to get the information out there but thus far I haven't seen anything justifying that. Right on yeah Furstenberg is high on my list! I cant seem to get him here so uh... That would be really awesome if you were able to talk to him especially being kind of um

1:01:19 skeptical of the overall position although his book is really excellent full of so much data that it's almost nauseating as you go through and he just was point after point of the history of electrical technologies and how they've affected health in a lot of hidden history that we just don't even know about anymore very fascinating but your you're right is important to be accurate otherwise were no better than the elite if we are just actively lying to people because it's like. Juicy and provocative that's a part of what i do i call it i do can spirit tame in because its little above because, a lot of times the real smoking gun to what we might want is out of our reach it's too high up there so we do have to speculate a little bit sometimes but it's also really great to build

1:02:09 the most accurate case we can for the things that we do have the data on and the perception of conspiracy cultures that we always love everything together in one big grand single agenda. And i can see how the 5g coronavirus connection thing going so viral so fast was almost an operation to take all the air out of the alternative media and define our position for us to everyone else. Add to play into that whole it's all connected perception that the larger population has of the conspiracy culture so yeah muddies the waters for sure maybe there is truth to it,

1:02:50 Obviously I'm very skeptical of both things and as are you. So yeah, are there health effects of 5G? Of course! Is it specifically coronavirus? Maybe not... It doesn't have to be all connected and it's important to be accurate so Man one thing i also wanted to try to slide in here is i want to make people aware of what you call the freedom formula which breaks down two level of freedom a person desires plus their willingness to change equals there actual experience of freedom. And just to elaborate with a quote of yours, not only are we all motivated differently but our habits and lifestyles will also shape our ability to be free from the technocratic state. The level of privacy and liberty you maintain in the coming years will be decided by your willingness to change adapt

1:03:40 and abandon habits which weaken your ability to be free of systems of oppression. This struggle between what you want and your actions decides whether your desires become reality or remain a fantasy." And I think that's really well said, something everyone should be reflecting on. Maybe you got something add on that note as we're starting to wind this thing down? Yeah I'm glad you actually mentioned that. I kind of forgot about writing that whole thing there so you're reminding me to share that more out there with people because It's just something that has come to me with recognizing that, like you said we all have different interests. We all have different ideas of freedom and how we're going to value that. I do think though if each try to understand where were actually headed like what does freedom mean to you? What does it really look like? You know I talked about intentional communities before and I know there are lots of people who have ideas of intentional communities but maybe never stopped at well what is being off grid mean or

1:04:39 What is that piece of land i dream about actually look like and how would i interact with other people in all these kinds of ideas. And i just think the more tangible we think about this the more practical we think about everything that we are facing world, where you wanna go then better were gonna be off in the end right so i mean if your After privacy but you're like yeah i'm not really ready to give up my cell phone well then you just gonna have accepted there's gonna be certain levels of privacy won't be able to afford yet. But if your like privacy is what's most important to me then you might be willing to make certain decisions that other people, won't make right and so i just think that whole freedom formula the ideas about helping people establish what it is that they are really after and what their really going to do get back

1:05:26 I think it's great people do need a little guidance to stop and think about these things in sort through its why anyone goes to therapy is like hey that's really helpful because just talking about your ideas and really drilling down. Is important n i think we take for granted, How important is and we don't do it enough how many hours are spent in front of the tv versus how many hours are spent thinking about specifically the future that you want it is a big deal but. Derek this is been a real pleasure thanks for taking the time and let me reschedule this with you after i had to cancel last minute totally bad form on my part so thanks for sticking with me, and for all you do your not afraid of bad people or bad words that i salute you for it definitely remind the people of your website the work.

1:06:18 All these little things you got, you got a lot of irons in the fire as they say but what would you want to leave people with in terms of following up? Well, thank you again man for all your work. I've followed your channel for a while and have some friends who we've talked with over the years so that's always nice to connect and my work the main spot is just TheConsciousResistance.com. I do want to mention it again for people who are looking for others in trying actively connect check out FreedomCells.org and just create a profile add yourself to the map search the map for people in your area and please do whatever you can

1:06:53 Taking the information that you hear on this show, but also don't forget that these things are actually affecting your life They are out there in the real world and we have to I believe take some precautions for how we're going to face them as We move forward. So thank you brother Definitely man, cheers to all that. It has gotten very real I still like to throw in a Bigfoot episode or a Demon Masters of the Elite show here and there just to cover the spread but it is all very heavy and quite serious now And we need to fold in a bit more planning and a bit more action To the way we think about these things because That's becoming a lot more important than some of the old provocative what-ifs. But regardless, man I do appreciate everything you do your dedication is an inspiration take care and keep fighting the good fight! Thank you brother Malakaliki Maka people or something like that there it is show number five for the month of August going out with a bang

1:07:53 I really like what Derek is doing the dude has one hell of a work ethic and a real wild story on a mission to make America friends again. And i agree with that being civil, Is more important than being right in these kind of volatile times cheers so all you've been getting through 2020 without going to war with your friends and family Because when the shit hits the fan for real you need a network of people who love and respect you. First and foremost hopefully they agree with your positions to but that secondary really so do you have that cuz i really hope that we all do this is another episode where i had so much more to talk to derrick about because his work is so fast,

1:08:44 I actually planned for the finders conversation to be how we ended the first hour, but it became the whole second hour. We didn't even get to talk about things like his exposed Bill Gates global day of action, the few videos he's done on UFOs and the recent quote-unquote disclosures there. His holistic self assessment book and its importance. Kratom or the interview with another bright mind who researched and then cracked Tesla's work All that would have been so interesting. Sometimes even two hours can just fly by So we had more than enough material, but I do like thorough answers too. I like those details right? And yes a lot of us in this conspiracy space think that voting is a waste of time It's an energy siphon it's a false sense of choice it's the karma chameleon from hell and all that

1:09:45 But I like the famous phrase, play politics or get played by politics. Because the capstone cabal is always trying to erode our already-eroded freedoms, economic standing, our nutrition and our mental faculties... That's the battleground and you can push back and make it difficult for them Or you can acquiesce and pretend to be above it all And look at where that has gotten us It's a common argument, but most European countries get more vacation days, maternity leave and a shorter work week because they get out in the streets and they demand it. And the elites say okay fine keep your Fridays what do we care? We got everything else! I think we know that they will give us as little as we're willing to accept

1:10:38 And I still find those numbers pretty shocking about Houston, a city of nearly 4 million people and less than 250 thousand show up to vote. And the winner probably only got half that. So when people say well if everyone just stayed home on voting day the system would collapse... Well not really! They would just pick a winner with 5% or 2%, whatever it is Besides, no good argument ever starts with well if everyone just. Because that's a fantasy! Which is also why when I see so many people out there trying to police the mask thing...I have to laugh If you're putting yourself in a position where you're going to police mask wearing in a Target, if you're gonna go making snarky comments to anyone who doesn't have a mask at the beach

1:11:32 It's going to consume you and you will never be in a good mood because you can't get everyone to do anything. But as we were going along with this interview we did spend more time on our guests personal experience and background than usual but derrick seems like an example or a template that a lot of people could probably use right now. How many people out there feel stuck like they don't have any hope for opportunity there at the whims of the big machine, Well, an ex-felon who's been on some of the most addicting substances figured out how to turn it around and it's hard to argue that he had some sort of advantage you don't have. So by starting it that way I had hoped that it might shake some people from their rut. Never let a good crisis go to waste is advice that you can take too ya know?

1:12:27 We always hope to be somewhat positive and make these conversations useful. I don't know what you're going to do with alien moon bases and shape-shifting cryptids, but when we've had our fun with stuff like that THC at least tries to circle back to the biggest conspiracy of all—the cooption of your time and your energy and your life—to an economic game that never lets us climb as high as promised or gives us true fulfillment and does have us just generating wealth for the upper class, and picking up the crumbs. That is unless we do things our own way like Derek has I have to go off my own experience too! I had zero options but to build something of my own But now i've got the best life I could imagine And I shudder to think what a year like this would have been like for these sad lowly GameStop manager I once was...I would have been crushed

1:13:27 I doubt i'd even be in California anymore because I was barely treading water as it was. You can only bring so many couches you find in the alley into your bedroom to sleep on But let Derek story be an inspiration not that you have to be an activist or a podcaster but maybe hook up with a local freedom cell and see what needs they have if you really want to get involved with something. Or maybe it's time to open up that online store for whatever skill or passion, or product do you have up your sleeve?

1:14:04 Maybe you just learn how to wean off your system dependence and then become an expert in homesteading and doing that. And now, you and your family are better off AND you could start a business advising & consulting other families to be able to do the same! You would probably have a better income make your own schedule have no boss Be learning practical skills and you would be proud of the work you're doing Look at that... it's that easy right? And yes, it would be nice if you had started last year. But I'm sure you'll be able to say the same thing in 2021 or 2022 so why not dive in? We all could do better! In fact, I was just listening to a show that critiques conspiracy culture and critiques is way too kind of word they really roast like pig on spigot

1:15:00 And somebody made the comment of how it's never the good looking or popular people who buy into conspiracies you ever notice that, it's always these fat losers who have no life trying to educate the rest of us on a flatter and. I hate your stuff like that i would much rather try and elevate our culture and show that it improves your life to have a better grasp on the true reality behind the curtain I guess it goes back to some offhanded comment i made on an episode probably two years ago at this point about this very thing. Something something about us striving for more than being neckbeard keyboard warriors in our parents basement. Cliche thing to say, I know but I still get comments and messages from people who are offended by that and I would say number one get a thicker skin

1:15:53 And number two, if you aren't that then it's hard to be offended by that characterization if it doesn't apply to you. So think long and hard about that! I just go through these cycles where I feel like it's time to grow up because a lot of mud has been thrown into the conspiracy waters in the last few years way more than usual and when you look at someone who is an enthusiastic Trump supporter or someone who makes the flat earth their primary issue Do they seem like a model example of the person you want to strive to be cuz that's what were associated with and i know some great people who are into both just like veganism but generally it doesn't seem to serve them well, it doesn't seem to put them in the best position for success in life.

1:16:43 So you know, if these sorts of statements are deeply offensive to you to the point that you'll hold on to them all year long and hit me with one star iTunes reviews that comment about it. Does even that serve you well? Every culture has a stereotypical archetype of their least common denominator hipsters jocks stoners punk rockers and conspiracy enthusiasts What is so wrong with being a part of the culture and also being aware of that least common denominator stereotype and trying to make sure that you're not drifting towards that yourself if twenty twenty is taught me anything it's that we should have taken the kid gloves off along time ago, we should've turned our knowledge into action because. The stakes are just too high right now to not be at our best

1:17:37 And I'm really just talking to myself here, you know? Trying to light a fire under my own ass as much as anyone else's. I'm proud of what i do but I talked to a guy like Derek and I know I could do a lot more he's gotten me all fired up! I don't know if I would run for mayor of San Diego but I could probably push myself in some regard...I mean who cares if there's a new character on Apex Legends?! You know So yes, loved having Derek here. Great guy we're aligned on so much he definitely elevates the discourse and his documentaries are great educational tools that lay out the facts rather than the speculation

1:18:20 And look, I love speculation but that's for the advanced class or the THC equivalent of a casual Friday. It's not the best way to convert someone over to the alternative space. I think we all can admit that Let's get them on board with aliens before we tell them that all the aliens are demons looking for human hosts But in terms of the things we talked about today, I definitely liked being able to fit in that detail about the executive branch's support for and $1.16 billion donation to The Gates-backed Gavi Vaccine Alliance as Derek pointed out everybody talks about that first part that he withdrew some funds from the World Health Organization but they forget to add where those funds now go

1:19:09 People say I have a bias, but i have a bias against authority and presidents. And these things are so important! I want conspiracy culture back and there's going to be a lot of people that are blacked out drunk on state-sponsored QAnon Kool Aid and we're gonna have to sober you up eventually. I am so sick of conspiracy enthusiasts equating to a Trump nut hugger It comes up constantly when people see my car and ask me about it. Within two sentences, we're talking about Trump but... My own personal struggles aside let's read it again as Derek wrote

1:19:52 In early June, the Trump administration declared support for Gavi to the tune of a $1.16 billion donation. Trump's support for Gavi came via the first ever virtual global vaccine summit. At this summit, Gavi surpassed the goal of 7.4 billion instead raising 8.8 billion and securing commitments from most major nations around the world Gavi even received a 5 million dollar donation from the Rockefeller Foundation. Gavi stated that the funding would go to quote, routine immunization programs and will also help the public-private partnership play a major role in the rollout of a future COVID 19 vaccine." Can you wear your MAGA hat proudly now?

1:20:45 It's getting scary out there and I don't know how you can twist that one, but i'm sure some people will try. But moving on, like I said the plus show is where we got deep into the finders cult. Deeper than i've ever really gotten learning about the game caller and the structure of the whole thing was quite a trip We also talked about why we need to get off the grid The exit and build strategy versus the hold down the fort strategy And covid-19 and alternatives to the 5G thread i personally do put a little stock in the five g coronavirus connection but i definitely understand when people like derrick say that they just don't think the burden of proof has been met yet, i leave the door open on now and although i think that both me and derek would say yeah we. Think there are health risks to five g and we dont want it in our cities and we also don't want the mandatory vaccine if you can agree on those things

1:21:50 I'm happy. As always, if you're a THC fan you are only hearing half of the entire catalog of shows without a plus membership so come on in! It's eight bucks and even if you just come in for a month or two and cancel that's okay with me there's a ton of stuff in that archive that I think could be useful to everyone out there and throwing a couple bucks my way helps me do what I do If you're cash strapped but you appreciate THC, maybe just toss a good review on iTunes or Stitcher for me. I never pay much attention to reviews and don't really comment on them very much but i did read more about how they can increase or decrease the podcast discoverability on big platforms and even small bursts of good reviews can put a show in front of new eyes

1:22:46 And if I didn't think our days could potentially be numbered on the big platforms, I wouldn't care as much. But i should care a little bit even though ultimately I'm not that worried about it. Reviews help is what I'm saying maybe you could hook me up while it's still possible but I'm gonna get to Mosian! Keep your eyes open for Derek's next documentary The Pyramid of Power. I'm always interested to see how various researchers map out that nebulous power structure Also freedomcells.org to find like-minded others in our area, theconsciousresistance.com for more media from Derek and I'll see you next time! Your move brain drainers people pacifiers and manipulators of the masses your fucking move Well they tie that yellow ribbon round the oak tree They've worn out all their prayer in their heart

1:23:48 All along thought they were rooting for the home team As they're sent to the game and torn apart We twist this tourniquet upon the pipeline That it carries all the pain and loathing As we blindly clap in cheer from the sidelines It's clear, on a losing streak from the very start And that's where they found In the cemetery A smoking gun in my arm Down for the end of the THC The American scream They took that faded ribbon off the oak tree Worn out all hope in their arms Long thought I was doing right

1:25:03 And now I'm lying in a pool of my blood. And that's where they found me, In the cemetery! A smoking gun in mine, The land of the free. Sing with me... And that's where they found me, In the cemetery! A smoking gun in mine and Now I'm damned from the land of the free

1:25:45 THC, the American scream. And that's where they found me in my cemetery A smoking gun and a bullet in a dream Sing with me the American Scream